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Speaker 1: access and express. It is really a simple This is

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Speaker 1: the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring healthy balance

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Speaker 1: and perspective in all areas of sports through education and advocacy. Hi,

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Speaker 1: this is Nick Bonacre from the Reformed Sports Project podcast. Today,

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Speaker 1: I'm speaking with George Munford. Widely respected mindfulness and performance expert,

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Speaker 1: author and speaker. George has spent three decades teaching mindfulness

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Speaker 1: techniques to a number of corporate executives, artists, and elite athletes,

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Speaker 1: including Michael Jordan's, Shaquille O'Neill, and Kobe Bryant. George and

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Speaker 1: I discuss how the perception of mindfulness has changed over

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Speaker 1: growth mindset. Let's go. I am fired up, I gotta

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Speaker 1: I want to say he's an old friend. We spoke

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Speaker 1: but last time we actually had a conversation was a

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Speaker 1: So I'm super super excited to have him back on.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the leaders, certainly in his space, mindfulness

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Speaker 1: George Mumford. Mr Mumford, thanks so much for hopping on again.

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Speaker 1: Man any man, it's good to be here. Good to

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Speaker 1: see you. Nick. Well, it's good. I'm excited to have you.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get into everything. Mr Mumford. You've worked

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Speaker 1: Then when I said, well this is what they required,

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Speaker 1: They're always looking to get better and go to Magic

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Speaker 1: Level of what we talked about when I talk about

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Speaker 1: and to be committed to what you're doing and not

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Speaker 1: getting distracted. So it's really more about uh, them asked

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Speaker 1: So our job is to access that that masterpiece within

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Speaker 1: and have to want to have the desire, the willing

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Speaker 1: it's not the physical as much as it's their the mental,

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Speaker 1: say authenticity, sincerity, say being who they are. I say

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Speaker 1: that would be the main thing. It's unlocking letting their

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Speaker 1: masterpiece express itself. That's what they all have in common.

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Speaker 1: And there's a process or processes when you can get

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Speaker 1: into I talked about it in the Mindful Athletes in

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Speaker 1: because to Pure Performance and it's it's just really just

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Speaker 1: the community to support you. So we know that people

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Speaker 1: succeed when they have three things. According to Shaun and

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Speaker 1: you're seeing what's the lesson you make, mistakes, you learn

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Speaker 1: from it and that's how you level up. The second

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Speaker 1: thing and social support. Having people around you are sincere

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Speaker 1: and give you on the street back and the support

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Speaker 1: you being you, not being who they want to be.

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Speaker 1: So that support that could go from your nuclear family

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Speaker 1: outside instruction. And the third thing is this idea of

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Speaker 1: seeing crisis. And this is what I taught the Bulls

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Speaker 1: when I first started working with them. They were in crisis.

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Speaker 1: But when there's a crisis, there's two meanings. There's two

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Speaker 1: things happening. One is danger, which we get, the other

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Speaker 1: one as opportunity. So the how key is to see

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Speaker 1: things as challenges, not to see them as crisis or curses.

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Speaker 1: So to see things as a challenge or there's an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: and that's the things that they do. They embrace the

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Speaker 1: challenges and level up. So that's where the n work.

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Speaker 1: That's what I talked about, the insight game. You have

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Speaker 1: to understand how do you keep yourself in that hope

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Speaker 1: Hall of fame. Hs Man, I can't thank you enough

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Speaker 1: Mr Mumford, George Mumford. I'm just so grateful for your time,

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Speaker 1: for your willingness to come on and share and uh man,

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Speaker 1: you get me and I could. I know our audience

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Speaker 1: is going to be so fired up. We're so lucky.

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Speaker 1: So thank you so much man for coming on. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Nick, that's George Mumford, renowned mindfulness and

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Speaker 1: performance expert. Thanks for listening to the Reformed Sports Project podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nick Bonicore and our goal is to restore a

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Speaker 1: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sport through

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