1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: today's best minds. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: And Donald Trump says he's much better looking than Vice 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 2: President Harris. The dementia is real, my friends, with such 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: an amazing show for you today, White House Communications Director 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: Ben la Bolt stopped by to talk to us about 8 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 2: the Biden Administration's continued wins for the American people. That 9 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 2: will be joined by MSNBC Steve Bennett to talk his 10 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: new book Mystery of Truth, Democracy, Reality, and the Republicans 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: War on the recent past. But first we have the 12 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: host of the Enemy's List, the Lincoln Project's own Rick Wilson. 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: Hello, Rick Wilson, welcome back to. 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: You. 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 3: Sound like you are very good WiFi. 16 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: Molly. I'm in a place that Hillbilly Elgy was meant 17 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 4: to truly capture the steerdous and at the moment that 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 4: would be a. 19 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: Perfect So you are in jd Vanceland known as sag Harbor. 20 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Let us talk about what it is that is going on. 21 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: This week was another week of Democrats delighted by their nominees, 22 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: their presumptive nominees vice presidential candidate, and Republicans. 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,639 Speaker 3: Not so much. 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 4: All the swipboat bullshit on Tim Walls is falling short, 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 4: and by falling short, I mean completely ineffective. They threw 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 4: everything they had at the guy in an attempt to 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 4: swip boat off. It didn't work. And I'll tell you, 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: I think it's really indicative of where the two parties 29 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 4: are at right now. That Tim Wallas is touring with 30 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 4: the Vice President, they are getting record crowds. He's out 31 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 4: on his own doing some touring now too, is hitting 32 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,759 Speaker 4: record crowds. The problem for the other team is twofold. 33 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 4: They're trying to attack him on stolen valor, which is 34 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 4: a lie. And secondly, they forgot that they work for. 35 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 4: You know, as I like to call him, Colonel Pussy 36 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 4: von bones Purs. You know, Donald Trump is a cheating 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: line draft dodger. When it's ay, eight thousand men were 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 4: dying in Vietnam, Donald Trump was chasing straight plus see 39 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: the New York City. They should have known from the 40 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: jump this was going to bite them on the ass. 41 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 4: And it has. The second thing that is I think 42 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 4: very telling and very important in this equation is that JD. 43 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: Vance continues to say he's underperforming. Would put it like, 44 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 4: so far beyond the realm of exaggeration. This guy is 45 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,800 Speaker 4: a hot mess. He is unpopular, His numbers are terrible. 46 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 4: He's getting less popular as people get to know him better. 47 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: Every day some new weird podcast or some new weird 48 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: drip comes out. I mean, and the fact that this 49 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: is the guy who first went to war with women 50 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: who own cats, and now is it war with postmenopausal women. 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: I mean, what could go with a campaign based on 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: that brilliant strategy? He's given deep pole and he's not 53 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: getting out of it. 54 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 55 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: One of the things that Democrats have learned from Trump 56 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: is that you can give voters a permission structure to 57 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: vote for someone who wouldn't necessarily be your candidate. And 58 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: the person who gave evangelicals the permission to do that 59 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: was one so very interesting in my mind. Right now, 60 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Billy Graham's granddaughter is joining evangelicals for Harris quotes Isaiah 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: to black Trump supporters. 62 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: Does this work? So? Explain to us? 63 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 4: Well, I think what you're seeing with evangelicals is there 64 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 4: has been a faction of the evangelical movement that has 65 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 4: always had a hesitation about Trump. They made that compromise 66 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 4: by and large because their leadership told them to. Because 67 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 4: their leadership are absolutely unethical and moral, irreligious idolaters. And 68 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 4: there's always been a concern that Donald Trump was too much, 69 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 4: that he was a rapist, an adulterer, a reprobate, a degenerate, 70 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 4: a criminal, all those things, and they never loved it, 71 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 4: but they thought, oh, we must have our Cyrus and 72 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,839 Speaker 4: God will direct him. Well, it does not seem much 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 4: like God is directing Donald Trump lately. Now. I don't 74 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: believe that Donald Trump will lose more than five or 75 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 4: ten percent of the evangelical vote this time form where 76 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: he was last time. But even that is an uake. 77 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: Even that is a tidal weight, That is a tsunami 78 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 4: that is going to come down and absolulutely smack him 79 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: in the face. As Vice President, Harris has solidified the 80 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: Democratic base, even the drifting elements of that. African American 81 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: men in spanning are you to come back? Younger voters 82 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 4: are were past whatever the young voter hesitation over Gaza 83 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 4: attached to Joe Biden was, it's not displaying in the 84 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 4: same way with her. They're still out there, but it's 85 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: not at the same scale. So we've seen baby boomers 86 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: start to drift towards Harris. Now, Trump will not lose 87 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 4: baby boomers. He will not lose them by a majordia 88 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: or even a polorality. But she is going to pick 89 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 4: off more and more of these subgroups that are going 90 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 4: to allow her to, I think, put together a winning coalition. 91 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,280 Speaker 4: What does Trump have right now? He is trying desperately 92 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: to put his campaign back together. If it's fallen apart, 93 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: it is in chaos. You brought back Corey fucking Leewood 94 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 4: and Dowski. If that's the solution, I don't want to 95 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 4: know what the problem is. 96 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: What Corey is like an emotional supporter staffer right, Yeah, 97 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: for sure. 98 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: And look he can't get Hope picks back. She won't 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 4: come back. But so Corey's the next best thing. What 100 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 4: it means, though, is he now supplanted christ Losivita and 101 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 4: Susie Wiles. He is now the campaign chairman. They now 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 4: report to him. Antonio the pollster, they've now work for 103 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 4: him in this organization. And as you recall, Coreylewood Newsie's 104 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 4: beautifully smooth corporate management style is so accommodating and so 105 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 4: open to different voices and opinions that he shouldn't be 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 4: screaming much at all during the day. I mean it 107 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: surely send to twelve hours a day of livid, throat throbbing, 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 4: eyes bulging, screeching at people. And of course the HR 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 4: Department's firing up for Corey's return to They'll keep that 110 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: very busy. 111 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: How do you think this goes? Where does this go next? 112 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 4: Trump trying a new strategy this week with these three 113 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 4: media availabilities, and to the media's credit, a lot of 114 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 4: them did write the right headlines and say Trump lied 115 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:01,919 Speaker 4: about this light, about that light, about this light, about that, 116 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 4: but a lot of them still had it on their 117 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 4: air for the duration of these press conferences, which were 118 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 4: very similar and all full of lives, and as you 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 4: pointed out the other day, that they were nothing for 120 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: twenty sixteen. Just the spectacle of Trump doing an event 121 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 4: is not necessarily the definition of an event that deserves 122 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: to have live, uninterrupted, unedited, unfact checked coverage. Now I 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 4: don't think he has many more of those. And then 124 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 4: he's been told by his avenue, you must focus on policy. 125 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 4: You must go out and talk about inflation, policy and policy. 126 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 4: You know, you and I both know that Donald Trump 127 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 4: has no million there, sus stay that shit for your 128 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 4: like by more minutes. So he's going to continue to 129 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 4: act badly. He's trying to now concern troll the media 130 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 4: by saying, why won't she do interviews? Is she too scared? 131 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 4: And look, the Harris campaign has no fucking necessity to 132 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 4: do interviews right now. They should keep winning. They should 133 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 4: go out and keep racing along and doing the big things. 134 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 4: Do what's working right now, which is going out and 135 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 4: holding massive enthusiastic rallies that are bringing people into the 136 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 4: Democratic bold again, that are exciting voters and for right now. 137 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: You know, look, what's the worst thing they're going to do? 138 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 4: Give Donald Trump free at her time. They're going to 139 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 4: do that any I think she's got a really good 140 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 4: argument right now to just do what she's doing. 141 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm struck by is it 142 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: feels like Trump keeps having the same fights with everyone. 143 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: Why won't Joe Biden do a press conference? Why won't 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden do this? And now he's using these same 145 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: attacks on Harris. 146 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 4: It fits the one big broad thing about Trump right now. 147 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 4: He's so fucking boring. Okay, he's boring. It's the same. 148 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 4: You see press conferences, I have his seeing complaints. I 149 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: went by the it's all the same bullshit over and 150 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 4: over again. 151 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 2: And all of. 152 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 4: This is like, to my mind, why he's fallen off 153 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: the cliff. He's not exciting right now, he's not interesting 154 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 4: right now. He has become dull. He's become this cumbersome, 155 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 4: dull character. At this point, it's really large for me 156 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 4: to see how he convinces the media to cover things 157 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: as he once did, and he once was extremely effective 158 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: at it. You and I both know he was once 159 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 4: extremely good at that. He's not that good at this anymore. 160 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: He's really fallen off the cliff well. 161 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: And I also think the novelty of him was people 162 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: didn't know how to cover him eight years ago. 163 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 3: But now he can't drive a news cycle the way 164 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: he used to. 165 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: That's exactly right, Molly. He doesn't have the same juice 166 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: that he had too. I'm going to give somebody a 167 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 4: nickname and then they'll write stories for four days that 168 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 4: I they have JEBB low energy Jeb. He's twenties of 169 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 4: a different versions like combulla combula, and none of it's sticking. 170 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 4: Even the right wing media weirdos aren't sticking with it, 171 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 4: even the right wing like cress Art following law and 172 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 4: there's no BURGI of what's Brandon. 173 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does seem like that's right, but it's also 174 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: like part of Trump and trump Asm. 175 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 3: Was its newness and now it's. 176 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Just the same recycled material again and again, and I 177 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: think voters are bored with it. 178 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 5: Now. 179 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: Let me ask you what should Harris do now? 180 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 4: She should go and have a absolutely bang up convention 181 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: and treat that convention like a coordination. Treat that convention 182 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,839 Speaker 4: as something that continues to be happy but be unifying. 183 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 4: The case against Trump is the case against Trump, and 184 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 4: she's going to make it adequately and passionately. The thing 185 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: she should do is work off of the strengths that 186 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 4: she has now established, work off of the impressions she 187 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 4: has now built, work off of the elevation she's now 188 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: gained in the campaign, to come out of this race, 189 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: to come out of this moment at the convention with 190 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 4: a sganic momentousm and a sense that Democrats understand. Republicans 191 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: do not ownism. They don't own the American flag, they 192 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 4: don't own love of country, they don't own the ideas 193 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 4: of freedom or liberty. She should be able passionate advocate 194 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 4: for the things that the authoritarian right hates so much, 195 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: and a lot of the things they hate are the 196 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 4: principles they used to hold before Trump. That's how she 197 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 4: can come out of this individual with a big win. 198 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right, and I think that's a 199 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 3: really good point. 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: Republicans jumping on Tim Walls for saying that he doesn't 201 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: like spices in his tacos. 202 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 4: Listen, if you want a definition of flailing, the party 203 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 4: that thinks that mayonnaise is the peak of all condiments 204 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: could just fuck off. This is a desperate critique by 205 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 4: weird people to take a normal Midwestern guy and try 206 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 4: to other and alienate him from ordinary Americans. It's just 207 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: sad at this point. I mean, it's so desperate, it's 208 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 4: such a flail. It's such a like horrible, endless grind 209 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: of we got him, now, we're gonna get Tim Walls now. 210 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 4: You know it just doesn't work. Again, there's nothing weirder 211 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 4: than JD. Vanks. If they think not eating spices in 212 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 4: your tacos is weird, how about having a secret drag history. 213 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 4: We forgot to teach it. You know, especially if you're 214 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 4: in a party of Christian notionalists, to pay people who 215 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 4: do drag. I think that the structure of the Trump 216 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 4: campaign in these like trolling attempts that he doesn't need 217 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: spicy food, the dumbness of it is going to get 218 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: exaggerated because remember Coryly when Dowsi came back to the campaign, 219 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 4: but he also brought back like five of these weirdo 220 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 4: internet troll in cellt goons who honestly think like I 221 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 4: got an article on Breitbart and a meme with Keepy 222 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: of the Frog about Joe Biden Win. They're fucking morons 223 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 4: and they're going to continue to be fucking morons. But 224 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 4: they will continue to say the stupidest shit. And it's like, 225 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,959 Speaker 4: have you met Donald Trump? Have you met JD. Vance? 226 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: If you think you're that you're going to be able 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 4: to other and turn them into the aliens versus Donald 228 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 4: Trump and JD. Fucking Vance, get out of here. 229 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: Yeah. 230 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm me And I think that's right, And I 231 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: think that's a really good point. 232 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 3: Rick Wilson, we are going on tour. 233 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 4: We are going on tour, people, and it is going 234 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 4: to be exciting. I want you to know I work blue. 235 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 4: So if you guys want to see Molly and I 236 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 4: get on stage talk about the craziness of this world 237 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 4: right now, the insanity of this campaign, the bizarre future 238 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 4: that is ahead of us if we don't win this thing, 239 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 4: you should come out and visit us. We're going to 240 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: be on the West coast, we're going to be on 241 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 4: the East coast, and we're going to be in the 242 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 4: beautiful American Midwest. Hold of s food that's not too spicy. 243 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 4: I'm excited about it, Mollie. I'm just I'm so jazzed. 244 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: It's crazy. 245 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: Yes, everywhere, here, there, nowhere, we will be there. 246 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 4: It's like Surpacilea for smart people. 247 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 3: That's right, except without the costumes. 248 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 4: I'm wearing a costume and I'm doing more work and gymnastics. 249 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: See, he's always like this. 250 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 4: I am who I am. 251 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. 252 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: Rick Wilson, thank you. We have even more tour dates 253 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: for you. Did you know the Lincoln Projects. Rick Wilson, 254 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 2: the Fast Politics, Mali jug Faster heading out on tour 255 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: to bring you night of laughs for our dark political landscape. 256 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: Join us on August twenty sixth at San Francisco at 257 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: the Swedish American Hall or in la on August twenty 258 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: seventh at the Region Theater. Then we're headed to the 259 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 2: Midwest and we'll be at the Vivarium in Milwaukee on 260 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: the twenty first of September, and on the twenty second, 261 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: we'll be in Chicago at City Winery. Then we're going 262 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: to hit the East coast. On September thirtieth, we'll be 263 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: in Boston at Arts at the Armory. 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Buy your tickets now 274 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 2: by heading to Politics as Unusual dot bio. That's Politics 275 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 2: as Unusual dot bio. Ben ler Bolt is White House 276 00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: Communications Director. 277 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: Welcome Back, Too Fast Politics Band, The Ball. 278 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 5: Great to be here. Thanks for having me, Molly. 279 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Joe Biden and what he 280 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:13,559 Speaker 1: is up to in his senior spring curing cancer. Let's 281 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: start with the cancer moonshot. I listened to his remarks, 282 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: super interesting, big grants. 283 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: Let's talk about it. 284 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 285 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 5: Well, remember, look, the President has had a fifty year 286 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 5: career in public service, and he knows that when we 287 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 5: set our mind to big things as Americans and use 288 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 5: the tools of government, that anything is possible. And so 289 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 5: the cancer moonshot is something he came up with when 290 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 5: he was Vice presidents near and dear to his and 291 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 5: the First Lady's hearts. Their famili has been touched by cancers, 292 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 5: as many American families across the country. So this is 293 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 5: part of his unity agenda. Thinks that all Americans should 294 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 5: be able to get behind, which is figuring out how 295 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 5: we cut in half answer rate in the United States 296 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 5: over the next couple of decades. And so he went 297 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 5: down to New Orleans this week with the First Lady 298 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 5: and talked about new tools for precision medicine and surgery 299 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 5: where you can actually create a three D rendering of 300 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 5: a person's body and figure out exactly where and how 301 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 5: to surgically remove cancer, which could have a big impact 302 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 5: on people's lives because even if you get some of 303 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 5: these things just a millimeter off, you could significantly impact 304 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 5: the patient and their mobility and a bunch of other things. 305 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 5: So that's just one big thing that the PRICES has 306 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 5: focused on running through the take here over the next 307 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 5: five months and making as big of an impact as possible. 308 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: So it's a couple grants to different hospitals, but it's 309 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: also getting better at how cancer is removed. 310 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 3: Can you talk about that? 311 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: This is specific to the Precision Surgical Intervention Program. There 312 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 5: are eight awardies university hospital systems that will find better 313 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 5: ways to prevent, detect, and treat cancer. And this is 314 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 5: very specific to surgery since in most cancer cases you 315 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 5: actually have to go in and physically remove by the cancer. 316 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 5: So it's going to help doctors to determine exactly where 317 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 5: it is, exactly, how to visualize it within the body 318 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 5: and allow more precise treatment. 319 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: The thing I so have been really struck by is 320 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: how seamlessly the Biden campaign has become the Harris campaign. 321 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: Can you talk about that, because I don't know she's 322 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: had this meteoric rollout. But some of that has been 323 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: because of this continuity and if we look at history, 324 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: like Lyndon Johnson, Biden really has set the table for 325 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: her in a white Can you talk about that absolutely? 326 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 5: Look, I mean, first and most importantly, the Vice president 327 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 5: has been an incredible governing partner to the President throughout 328 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 5: the administration, and so all the major challenges that we've overcome, 329 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 5: from getting out of a once in a century pandemic 330 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 5: to overcoming an economic crisis where the economy was flat 331 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 5: on its back. Now it's the strongest in the world, 332 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: defending democracy after January sixth, all these big things that 333 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 5: the administration has done that the President and the Vice 334 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 5: president have done together. She's the last person in the 335 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 5: room when he makes big decisions. And so the campaign 336 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 5: was built in the same way it was built over 337 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 5: the course of the past year and a half. It's 338 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 5: a diverse, multi generational, talented team. It's literally the best 339 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 5: people across the Democratic Party, a great grassroots organization, and 340 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 5: all the key battleground states across the country. And when 341 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 5: the President made a courageous decision to step aside in 342 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 5: order to unite the party and endorse the Vice President. 343 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 5: There's been this incredible response across the country, and the 344 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 5: campaign acted very quickly to merge teams, to create compelling content, 345 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 5: to use the organizing capacity that had been built on 346 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 5: the ground to build these incredible rallies, and so in 347 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 5: some ways it doesn't have a lot of historic precedent, 348 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 5: but I think it's a testament to the talent of 349 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 5: the team that the President the Vice president built together 350 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 5: and just the collegial relationship that exists within the White 351 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 5: House teams and the campaign. I think we'll look back 352 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 5: on that campaigns need to be built for challenges and 353 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 5: to be nimble. 354 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 4: This one certainly was. 355 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 1: But also they have really good memes. I know this 356 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: is an annoying question, but did they sort of cool 357 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: meme crowd to get to like take over when Hars 358 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: became the nominee. 359 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 5: I think, Look, I think the cool meme crowd has 360 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 5: always been a part of the campaign, and communicating on 361 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 5: digital in a way that resonated with the culture I 362 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 5: think has been something they were always focused on. I mean, 363 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 5: I think these are the same people who came up 364 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 5: with dark branded and all the sorts of fun with 365 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: the President's online personality. But I think, Look, I think 366 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 5: there's been incredible energy. I think people woke up and 367 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 5: tuned into the election over the past few months. If 368 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 5: the pieces that the team weighed in place had any impact, 369 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 5: that's it. And so everybody was tuned in for these 370 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 5: big dramatic moments in the campaign, and when the president 371 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 5: endris the vice president, there was this moment that didn't 372 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 5: have a ton of historic precedent. There's just been an 373 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 5: online explosion and Trump had been dominating parts of that 374 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 5: conversation and some of the conversation across the platforms, and 375 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 5: I think that's really shifted back into our column at 376 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 5: this point. So it's been incredible to see it's been 377 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 5: enabled and all this energy has been captured by a 378 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 5: team that is way younger and cooler and more in 379 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 5: touch with the culture than I am. But I think 380 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 5: they've been really strategic about how they've deployed it. And 381 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 5: now the share of voice online it's just so much 382 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 5: more about the vice President's overwhelmingly positive, and the conversation 383 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 5: about Trump is really turning negative online as people tune in. 384 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me what his plan is for Monday, and 385 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: a little bit about what he's hoping to sort of 386 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: get out there. 387 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 2: Well. 388 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 5: Absolutely, First of all, on Monday, there will be a 389 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 5: significant portion of the programming that is dedicated to just 390 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:21,719 Speaker 5: lifting up the President and the administration's accomplishments and looking 391 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 5: back over the course of the past four years. So 392 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,840 Speaker 5: you know, miillers such as the President the Vice President, 393 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 5: instead of just accepting trickle down economics like a lot 394 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 5: of administrations, have built the economy from the bottom up, 395 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 5: in the middle out, empowered the middle class, and now 396 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 5: their policies have led to the smallest racial wealth gap, 397 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 5: we've ever seen, the lowest average unemployment of any administration 398 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,239 Speaker 5: in fifty years. Sixteen million jobs created, nineteen million new 399 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 5: businesses started. I mean, we could go on and on 400 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 5: with the statistics all day, but I think it really 401 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 5: laid the groundwork for the future because the jobs, the 402 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 5: construction jobs that are happening, the manufacturing jobs that are happening, 403 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 5: with manufacturing coming back to the US. Now, the President 404 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 5: planted the seeds that are beginning to sprout. But we'll 405 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 5: create this incredible, roaring economy over the decades to come. 406 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 5: And so I think that will be a piece of 407 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 5: the programming. He's going to make a forceful case to 408 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 5: elect the vice president and Governor Walls. The president defended democracy. 409 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 5: That's really been the signature piece of his administration over 410 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 5: the past several years and why he ran the last 411 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 5: time around. Donald Trump is saying he would be a 412 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 5: dictator on day one and that he terminate the constitution. 413 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 5: And the President is going to ask the country to 414 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 5: stand up and defend democracy again in November, and you know, 415 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 5: so we'll run across the gamut. But there are all 416 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 5: sorts of issues, whether it's the economy we just talked about, 417 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 5: whether it's protecting social security and medicare, whether it's standing 418 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 5: up for a democratic Europe against Putin. There are all 419 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 5: sorts of issues to be discover. So I think he'll 420 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 5: both summarize everything that's happened, all the progress that we've 421 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 5: been made since we came out of that once in 422 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 5: a century pandemic, but at the same time look forward 423 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 5: on how we need to continue our progress by electing 424 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 5: Vice President Harrons. 425 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 1: One of the things that the mainstream media has been 426 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: super pissy about has been feeling. 427 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 3: Like the campaign has kind of gone around them. We've 428 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 3: seen that with. 429 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: Videos, We've seen that with you know, just a certain 430 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,439 Speaker 1: amount of Like social media makes it so that people 431 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: can just talk to other people without there's no limit 432 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: to what people can do, but we do know that, 433 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: like the free press is important a democracy. 434 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 5: How do you thread that needle? I think the Vice 435 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 5: president is threading it. The most important perative in a campaign, 436 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 5: especially a campaign where you have limited time like this 437 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 5: campaign does, is getting out and talking to voters in 438 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 5: battlegrat states, and she's been doing that, and rally setting 439 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 5: she's been doing that, or retail settings. Winning their votes 440 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 5: is the most important thing and frankly the only objective 441 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 5: of a campaign. The communications strategy should be in service 442 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 5: of that goal. And she's done all sorts of communications 443 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 5: over the past year. She's traveled with anchors from the 444 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 5: network news, She's talked to digital influencers and creators. She's 445 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 5: answered questions from the White House Press Corps. She takes 446 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 5: questions most weeks from the press on the road. She 447 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 5: said she'll do an interview with a classic news outlet 448 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 5: sometime this month. She's going to debate Donald Trump on 449 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 5: ABC News next month. They'd said that they'll do another debate. 450 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 5: So this notion that she won't answer questions just isn't true. 451 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 5: She's been doing it all year. I think people use 452 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 5: the fracturing of the media and the fact that a 453 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 5: lot of people just because there's so much going on, 454 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 5: so many outlets, so much information. You know, the average 455 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 5: person doesn't see everything you're doing. So we got a 456 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 5: little bit of this about the president, but he did 457 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 5: fifty interviews this year, and you may not know it 458 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 5: unless I shared that statistic. But it's just harder to 459 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 5: break through these days. I think the Trunk campaign is 460 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: trying to say she needs to hold a press conference 461 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 5: and sit down with the journalist every day because they're 462 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,720 Speaker 5: losing right now, and so they're trying to disrupt the 463 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 5: narrative somehow, and so they're trying to determine the Harris 464 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 5: Walls for present campaign for them. But that's not what 465 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 5: the campaign should focus on. The campaign should focus on 466 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 5: reaching voters and battleground states with their vision, and that's 467 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 5: absolute what she's been doing every day. 468 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. 469 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: One of the things, like always when I would write 470 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: about this administration, or like when I would interview people 471 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: about it, the thing that everyone would always say was like, yeah, 472 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: they're doing all this good policy, but nobody knows because 473 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: nobody's paying attention, or it's hard for them to get 474 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: credit for it. How frustrating is it for you? There's 475 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: so much good policy, right, We've had this economic soft 476 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: landing so far, which is kind of amazing, better than 477 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 1: any other of these wealthy countries. It must be strange 478 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: to watch now are being criticized for getting credit. 479 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. 480 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: I mean, for you know, the criticism is she doesn't 481 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: have enough policy. But everything that God is here is policy. 482 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: Right. 483 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 5: She's giving a major economic address focused on lower and 484 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: costs and creating jobs and all sorts of other things. 485 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 5: She talks about policy to some extent nearly every day. Look, 486 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 5: I think people around the world went through a tough 487 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 5: period coming out of the pandemic. You've seen that here 488 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 5: in this country, and you've seen that in terms of 489 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 5: perceptions of leaders and economies around the world, and now 490 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: perceptions of the economy are improving. Wages of outpaced inflation 491 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 5: for about two years, an incredible amount of jobs have 492 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 5: been created, and businesses have been started, and factories are 493 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 5: getting off the ground, and everything from semiconductors to clean energy, 494 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,600 Speaker 5: and given the fractured media ecosystem, given that people tend 495 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 5: to get their information and silos and the more partisan 496 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 5: perceptions of things nowadays, in addition to the fact that 497 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 5: we went through this major global crisis that does have 498 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 5: an impact on perceptions, and so we just need to 499 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,800 Speaker 5: do the work both at high profile moments like the convention, 500 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 5: but also over the course of the next five or 501 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 5: six months, as the Presence closing out his term of 502 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 5: getting out there and continuing to talk to people about 503 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 5: the factories that are being built in their towns after 504 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 5: years of jobs being shipped overseas, like the big prescription 505 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 5: drug announcement this week that Medicare can finally negotiate down 506 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 5: the cost of prescription drugs, the clean energy revolution that's 507 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 5: going to happen in this country. We're in the beginning 508 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 5: stages of all of these things, and so we're going 509 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:52,439 Speaker 5: to need to keep communicating about them every place we 510 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 5: can get to and on every platform. 511 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: What would you say? 512 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: The message has been from Biden to his campaign staff 513 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: about Harris. 514 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 5: That she's been an incredible governing partner, that he has 515 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 5: full confidence in her. He believes she's smart, he believes 516 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 5: she's tough, he believes that she will play a critical 517 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 5: role in defending our democracy and making sure the legacy 518 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 5: is secure in terms of an economy that protects middle 519 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 5: class families, in terms of a society in which individual 520 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 5: liberties and freedoms are protected. If your women should be 521 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 5: entitled to reproductive rights, gay people should be free from discrimination, 522 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,399 Speaker 5: you can go down the lists. Parents should be able 523 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 5: to help inform what books their children read instead of 524 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 5: ideological governors. I mean, go down the list. The Republican 525 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 5: Party is certainly no longer the party of freedom, so 526 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 5: there's big issues at stake. The President is ready to 527 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 5: hit the trail and keep going out to battleground states 528 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: and campaign for the ticket. But the most effective thing 529 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 5: he can do is also to just do his job 530 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 5: and deliver big things like he did in terms of 531 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 5: getting detained Americans home, getting the cost of prescription drugs down, 532 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 5: getting more factories and roads and bridges built. You know 533 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 5: he wants to do. He's very eager to do as 534 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 5: much as he can do over the next five months 535 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 5: to finish the job. 536 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 4: Strong. 537 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: When I think about the reporting about that hostage deal 538 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: that was so complicated, involved so many different countries, was 539 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: kept completely under wraps do you ever think about how 540 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,160 Speaker 1: he got that done and he learned he was getting 541 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: it done after he decided to drop out. I mean, 542 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: do you you know there's certain level of selflessness. 543 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 3: Here that seems like very unusual in American politics. 544 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 4: Absolutely. 545 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 5: Look, I think this president is the only president who 546 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 5: could have gotten a deal that complex and done. He 547 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 5: did it because he had these international relationships with leaders 548 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 5: that he developed over the course of five decades. He 549 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 5: believes that all politics, domestic and globals personal. So he's 550 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 5: developed a personal relationship with all these people in that 551 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 5: relationship with German chancer Schultz, for example, was very important 552 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 5: to get this done. He was on the phone with the 553 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 5: Slovenian Prime minister getting this deal done an hour before 554 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 5: he dropped out of the race and endorsed the vice president. 555 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 5: So his ability to multitask and to do all these 556 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 5: things behind the scenes. By the way, as Republicans are said, 557 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 5: they are all over online asking where's shoe Biden. In fact, 558 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 5: they were doing it the day that an hour later 559 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 5: he walked out and announced this. 560 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: So that is who he is. 561 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 5: He's constantly leading and managing complex situations, and he's done 562 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 5: so domestically he's done so globally, I think history will 563 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 5: look very very kindly on this president and this presidency 564 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 5: and everything he's been able to get done. 565 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, a really good point. Thank you, Ben Lebalt. 566 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 5: Thanks Wally talks in. 567 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: Are you concerned about Project twenty twenty five and how 568 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: awful Trump's second term could be? Well, so are we, 569 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: which is why we teamed up with iHeart to make 570 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: a limited series with the experts on what a disaster 571 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five would be for America's future. Right now, 572 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: we have just released the final episode of this five 573 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 1: episode series. They're all available by looking up Molly john 574 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: Fast Project twenty twenty five on YouTube, and if you 575 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: are more of a podcast person and not say a YouTuber, 576 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 1: you can hit play and put your phone in the 577 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 1: lock screen and it will play back just like the podcast. 578 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: All five episodes are online now. 579 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 3: We need to educate. 580 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: Americans on what Trump's second term would or could do 581 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 1: to this country, so please watch it and spread the word. 582 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 2: Steve Bettt is an MSMBC contributor and the producer of 583 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: The Rachel Maddow Show, the author of Ministry of Truth, Democracy, Reality, 584 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 2: and the Republicans were on the recent past. 585 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:49,240 Speaker 3: Welcome to Fast Politics, Steve. 586 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 4: Thank you, Belli. 587 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 3: It's good to be here, delighted to have you. 588 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: So I want you to give us two minutes on 589 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: your kind of character arc, where you came from, what 590 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: you do now, and how you got Well. 591 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 6: That's a good question. I started in journalism shortly after 592 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 6: going to grad school and GW I worked at a 593 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 6: small trade publication studied the religious right for many years. 594 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 6: From there, I started my own independent bloc called the 595 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 6: Carver Bager Report in two thousand and three, which seems 596 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 6: like yesterday but was actually more than two decades ago. 597 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 6: From there, I got picked up with the Washington Monthly 598 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 6: and kind of cultivated a larger online audience, and in 599 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 6: time I got picked up by a certain someone at 600 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 6: the MSNBC by the name of Rachel Meta. I've been 601 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 6: with her now for twelve twelve and a half years, 602 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 6: and I'm not planning to go anywhere anytime soon. 603 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: So you were, I don't want to say, one of 604 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: the first, because they were people doing this in the nineties, 605 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,040 Speaker 1: but there weren't that many, so you. 606 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 3: Were sort of an early blog I was. 607 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 6: There were a handful of us that were early adopters 608 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 6: in terms of developing online audiences. Josh Marshall, Kevin drum 609 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 6: marcos me A Trios. There were a handful of us 610 00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 6: who kind of pioneers is probably an overstatement, but we 611 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 6: were the first ones into the pool, and we were thrilled. 612 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 6: Of course, when the industry grew and became a powerful force, 613 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 6: I think, and politics for a good long while, and 614 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 6: then of course social media came along and the whole 615 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 6: blog enterprise evolved with it. So yeah, I've been here. 616 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 6: I've been around long enough to see all these evolutions 617 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 6: and all these permutations, and it's been a out of fun. 618 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm curious if you could just for a minute explain 619 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: to us sort of how we got here. You know, 620 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: this week we had Musk interview in Trump on X. 621 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: I come from magazines in the nineties, so for me, 622 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: it's fair. I'm very conflicted because I love that we 623 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: don't have gatekeepers, and I think gatekeepers are bad and 624 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: there's much less of a barrier to entry, which makes 625 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: me excited. But in the same sense, I see our industry, 626 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: especially when it comes to local news like decimated, and 627 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: my anxiety has always been the tech companies got rich 628 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: off our free content. So if you can make me 629 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: feel better about this, since every podcast is now therapy for. 630 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: Me, I would love it. 631 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 6: I wish I could make you feel better about this. 632 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 6: In all candor, I share your concerns. I think that 633 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 6: there is a systemic problem that we're all dealing with 634 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 6: right now. It is industrywide. It is affecting a great 635 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 6: too many outlets. One of the biggest fears about democracy, frankly, 636 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 6: is that disappearance of local newspapers and local daily and 637 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 6: how they are just being deestimated every year. It seems 638 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 6: to be getting worse because it is getting worse. It's 639 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 6: not affecting the tech bros. It's affecting local news organizations 640 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 6: and more importantly, those who rely on local news organizations. 641 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 6: And so you know, I don't want to make you 642 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 6: feel worse, Yes, please don't, But at the same time, 643 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 6: might think that your concerns are well grounded because they're 644 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 6: reality based. This is something that this is a problem 645 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 6: that is affecting everyone, and the solution has not yet 646 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 6: come into focus. 647 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: I want to get to this book, The Ministry of Truth, Democracy, Reality, 648 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: and the Republicans War on the recent past. But I 649 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: just am curious you blogged since two thousand and three, 650 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: right or before that? Again, I think nu Gingrid. I 651 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: mean there are a couple of like touch points where 652 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: a Republicans started to just change the rules, nuke gingrich 653 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: Richard Nixon. 654 00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 3: But can you sort of in the very recent past? 655 00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: And the very recent past is like an obsession of 656 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: mine because I come from the world of Gorbidal, so 657 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 1: I do consider us to be the United States of Amnesia. 658 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 1: And often you'll be on a panel and you'll say, like, 659 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: what happened in the last election, and never it'll be like, oh, right, 660 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: the last election, Like we just don't even think two 661 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: years ago? So is this new? Have we always thought 662 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: like this? 663 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 6: I do think that there has always been an American tradition, 664 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 6: a short attention span where people in positions of authority, 665 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 6: and frankly for the audiences in general public rank and 666 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 6: file audiences. I think that it is easy to be 667 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 6: forward thinking, and that temptation, that attitude lends itself to 668 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 6: forgetting about the recent past, forget the passage of generations past, 669 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 6: which is a whole other problem. People don't necessarily know 670 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 6: their history in terms of things that happened before their lifetime. 671 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 6: But you're right, it is frustrating to see people who 672 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 6: have blank stares when we reference things from the Bush 673 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 6: Cheney era as it's a bygone era from our parents. 674 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,280 Speaker 6: It's not. It's twenty first century, and yet those events 675 00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,760 Speaker 6: of that era have been largely forgotten and the lessons 676 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 6: along with them. It is frustrating. But my book specifically 677 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,360 Speaker 6: focuses on Trump era. But you're right, this is not 678 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 6: unique to our era. 679 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:22,240 Speaker 1: Right, What is this staunch refusal to learn from the past. 680 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 6: I wish I had a better sense of that. I 681 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 6: wish I knew why. You know, it's easy to diagnose 682 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 6: the ailment, and it's harder to necessarily come to terms 683 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 6: with what caused the ailment. I think that in general, 684 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 6: there has been a in the American tradition, there has 685 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 6: been a detachment from politics. I think that it was 686 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 6: in some respects that designed to be that way. In 687 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,640 Speaker 6: a republican lower case, our republican from of government. 688 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 4: You know that the. 689 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 6: Electorate hires people to do the job of governing and 690 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 6: then they go about their business. And so I think 691 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 6: that model lends itself to having people say, well, others 692 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 6: are taking care of these things. I don't necessarily have 693 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 6: to focus on them all. Allan said, focus my energies 694 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 6: on family and community and churches and so forth. And 695 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 6: while I understand that temptation and people have busy lives 696 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 6: and they have responsibilities at work at home, I would 697 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 6: encourage more people, however, to realize that democracies in their hands, 698 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 6: and that the more they are engaged in current events 699 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 6: and the more they keep up on current events in 700 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 6: the recent past, the better off they'll be, the better 701 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 6: off the country will be. 702 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, can you talk to us about what you think 703 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: sort of the moment was when you realized that, because 704 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: I think we all have a moment where we realized 705 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,800 Speaker 1: that what Trump was going to do was going to 706 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: fray American democracy in profound and serious ways. 707 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,800 Speaker 6: For me personally, it came during the twenty sixteen election 708 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,680 Speaker 6: when he appealed to Russia to find Hillary Clinton's emails. 709 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 6: I mean, obviously to the twenty sixteen race had a 710 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 6: series of touchdowns that were of incredible importance that let 711 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 6: the public know what was going to happen. But that 712 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 6: to me stands out as unique because this was the 713 00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 6: first time in American history we had a major party 714 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,560 Speaker 6: presidential nominee reaching out to a foreign adversary and encouraging 715 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 6: them to get engaged in our effective process, but to 716 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 6: specifically engage in an espionage campaign against the rival major 717 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,880 Speaker 6: party nominee, which is unprecedented, It is radical, it was dangerous, 718 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,360 Speaker 6: and it suggested that when it came to the basics 719 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,240 Speaker 6: of American governance, in American politics, this guy was operating 720 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 6: outside the norm, outside the rules. He was writing new 721 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040 Speaker 6: rules which are completely itnoledge with the American tradition. And 722 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 6: so obviously that's one of many times. But you know, 723 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 6: in terms of your question, what stands out that to 724 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,000 Speaker 6: me was a turning point, That was the signal that 725 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 6: was unmistakable that this was something new. 726 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious if you could talk about Fox News, 727 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: because in twenty sixteen, Fox News and also right wing 728 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:47,520 Speaker 1: radio more generally, we're huge turnout drivers. It seems their 729 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: influences diminished. But I am basing that only on vibes, 730 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: So tell me what you think and anything else about 731 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,560 Speaker 1: that right wing media ecosystem. 732 00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 2: Sure. 733 00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 6: Well, you know, in my book, one of the things 734 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,799 Speaker 6: I talk about is that no one person can rewrite 735 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,160 Speaker 6: history by himself or herself. It's impossible. I think that 736 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,799 Speaker 6: anyone in position of authority will need to rely on 737 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,560 Speaker 6: partners in order to fully and successfully con the public. 738 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 6: And I think that when it comes to Trump and 739 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 6: the Republican contemporary Republican Party, those partners are found at Fox, 740 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,720 Speaker 6: They're found in conservative media, they're can founded in conservative radio, 741 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 6: and they are working hand in glove. They have forged 742 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 6: a partnership. I take your point about the vibe suggesting 743 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 6: that maybe they're not quite as influential as they once were, 744 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 6: but I think that speaks to the fact the lines 745 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 6: between the party and these outlets has been largely blurred 746 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 6: to the point of non existence. They are effectively one 747 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 6: and the same. And with that in mind, I think 748 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,239 Speaker 6: that the Republican apparatus and the conservative media apparatus are 749 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 6: really the same thing. We're talking about one entity, and 750 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 6: as those lines get blurry, they're able to succeed with 751 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 6: greater cohesion because they're all on the same page. Because 752 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,000 Speaker 6: they are all in the same page. 753 00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: So you talk about this frantic gaslighting campaign, we write 754 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: the stories that they've uncovered the last several years. One 755 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: of the ones that makes me think of is like Russia, 756 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 1: gay right, Trump calls it Russia, Russia, Russia, right, and 757 00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: you know the steel Valassier helped muddy the waters and 758 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:14,800 Speaker 1: make this story. 759 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,279 Speaker 3: But talk to me about that. 760 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 6: I'm glad you brought this up because it's actually my 761 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,560 Speaker 6: favorite chapter in the book because for me, when we 762 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 6: talk about the success of the war in the recent past, 763 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 6: the success that every op begins have had, this to 764 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 6: me stands out is unique because they've had more success 765 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 6: on this than anything else. I think at this point 766 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 6: in American politics in twenty twenty four, the Rink and 767 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,440 Speaker 6: fowlery Oorgan base considers the Russia scandal not only to 768 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 6: be wrong, but to be ridiculous as far as they're 769 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,280 Speaker 6: They considered to be completely discredited to the point of comedy. 770 00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 6: And yet if we look at the Mola report, we 771 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 6: look at the Republican led Senate Intelligence Committee report, we 772 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279 Speaker 6: know a handful of certain things to be true. We 773 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 6: know that the Trump campaign sought Russian assistance. We know 774 00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 6: that the Trump campaign received Russian assistance, the Trump campaign 775 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 6: benefited from Russian assistance. We know that the Trump campaign 776 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,799 Speaker 6: lied about Russian assistants. And we also know that the 777 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 6: Trump political operation obstructed the investigation once investigators are pursuing 778 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 6: these lines of inquiry. Whether or not that constitutes collusion 779 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,319 Speaker 6: is almost irrelevant, because collusion is a political term, not 780 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,480 Speaker 6: a legal term. But what we know for certain is 781 00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,879 Speaker 6: that those five facts that I just pointed to, they 782 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 6: have been uncontested, They are the truth. They have been 783 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 6: documented extensively, not only by Robert Mueller, who was a Republican, 784 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 6: but also by the Senate Intelligence Committee while I was 785 00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 6: chaired by Republican leadership. And so with that in mind, 786 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 6: it is frustrating it has so many people be utterly 787 00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,399 Speaker 6: convinced that the Russian scandal isn't real because we know better, 788 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 6: as I document in the book. 789 00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if you can sort of talk about 790 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: Bill Barr's part in this scandal, because I think he 791 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: ran an incredible cover campaign. 792 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 6: He did indeed, in fact, he was frustratingly successful at it. 793 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 6: When the Muller report first came out, which is to say, 794 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 6: and they first arrived on Bill Barr's desk, we didn't 795 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,480 Speaker 6: necessarily see the document. What we saw was a four 796 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 6: page summary from Bill are telling us what Robert Muller 797 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,760 Speaker 6: had to say. And then he had a press conference 798 00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 6: in which Bill Barr presented Mueller's findings as if serving 799 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,720 Speaker 6: as a role as a gatekeeper. And for quite a while, 800 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,440 Speaker 6: all we had to go on, and I say we 801 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 6: meaning people in the United States, people of the public, 802 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,840 Speaker 6: all we had to go on was Bill Barr's word 803 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 6: about what Robert Mueller found, and that established certain narratives. 804 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480 Speaker 6: Now those narratives were wrong and they were misleading. In fact, 805 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 6: a federal judge later chastised from ourtorney jail Bill Barr 806 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 6: for having misled the public so dramatically on these things, 807 00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,959 Speaker 6: on these facts. But nevertheless, I think that Barr's role 808 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 6: in this had an incredible impact on laying the groundwork 809 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 6: for this larger deception. 810 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, clearly it worked really well. If nothing else, like 811 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,600 Speaker 1: he was able to get it to work. Do you 812 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: think that there is a way out of Trump is? 813 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 6: I do, But it's not easy. I think that in general, 814 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 6: political science history tells us that parties change when voters 815 00:41:57,200 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 6: tell them that they have to change. Let's say hypothetically 816 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 6: that Kamala Harris is elected in the fall, Well, that'd 817 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 6: be enough. Probably not, but it'll start the process. I 818 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,160 Speaker 6: think that the more Republicans lose, the more they realize 819 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 6: that their quests for power will tell them they'll have 820 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 6: no choice to start adapting. 821 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 4: That. 822 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,080 Speaker 6: More that trump Ism is a losing proposition for GOP leaders, 823 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 6: the more eager they'll be to abandon it. And you know, 824 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 6: I've seen many joke about the fact that Republican Party 825 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 6: will rise from the ashes. But first we need some ashes, 826 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,439 Speaker 6: and that won't happen until they lose a lot. Twenty 827 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 6: twenty four would be important, but so would be twenty 828 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 6: twenty six, equally important, twenty twenty eight, and so on. 829 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,279 Speaker 6: There has to be a series of defeats for them 830 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,399 Speaker 6: to realize, no weight, they're on the wrong track here, 831 00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 6: and so to me, I think that ultimately all of 832 00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,400 Speaker 6: this power is back where it belongs, which is in voters' hands, 833 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,399 Speaker 6: and if they act accordingly, the Republican Party will change 834 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 6: and trumpsm will die. 835 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,280 Speaker 1: David from once told me that you have to lose 836 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 1: three elections in order for a party to just completely 837 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,840 Speaker 1: rethink things. 838 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 3: It's been more than three. 839 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 6: Well, in a way, yes, I mean we have twenty 840 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 6: sixteen when Trump is successful. One parence, the twenty eighteen 841 00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,879 Speaker 6: midterms went pretty well for Democrats. Twenty twenty went pretty 842 00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 6: well for Democrats, although down ballot less, so twenty twenty 843 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,320 Speaker 6: two was a largely mixed bag, but pretty good for Democrats, 844 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,359 Speaker 6: better than expected. They lost the House, but they gain 845 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,879 Speaker 6: seats in the Senate and did well in state legislative races. 846 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,480 Speaker 6: So these are the larger point I'm making is and 847 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 6: I think David Frum's three elections in this rule is sound. 848 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,440 Speaker 6: My point is that we would need three definitive election 849 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:25,439 Speaker 6: cycles center u that there are murky results from say 850 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 6: the midterms of twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two that 851 00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 6: kind of make the picture a little more muddled. I'd 852 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 6: expect to see Democrats winning three landslide victories in a 853 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 6: row that would rattle and shake republic and politics to 854 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,160 Speaker 6: a degree where they couldn't necessarily put a positive spin 855 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 6: on them. 856 00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: Does that mean that Trump will still be running for 857 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: president in twenty twenty eight It. 858 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:48,280 Speaker 6: Would not surprise me in the least if he believed 859 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,359 Speaker 6: that he was simply entitled to run until the day 860 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 6: he'd die. I think that he is of the opinion 861 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 6: that he is a unique figure and that he has 862 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 6: a cult following, which is true, and he playing the 863 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 6: role of cult leader couldn't possibly to step aside because 864 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,080 Speaker 6: the cult wouldn't allow it. And so I think that 865 00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 6: we're Trump to lose in twenty twenty four. I would 866 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,359 Speaker 6: not be the least bit surprised if he ran again. 867 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,759 Speaker 6: But what is less clear is whether or not there 868 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,879 Speaker 6: will come a point in which Republicans start to say, 869 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:17,399 Speaker 6: let's consider some other options here. You know, it would 870 00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 6: be a unique situation to see the Republican nomin knee 871 00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,719 Speaker 6: lose a popular book, for example, and three consecutive elections, 872 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,480 Speaker 6: the same human being losing in the three consecutive elections, 873 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960 Speaker 6: And so with that in mind, I'd be curious. I'll 874 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,799 Speaker 6: be curious to see in this hypothetical scenario. I say 875 00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 6: hypothetical because he might yet win. It's not as if 876 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,640 Speaker 6: Harris's success is a foregone conclusion. On the contrary, I 877 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 6: think the race is still going to be extremely competitive. 878 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,640 Speaker 6: But so long as you and I are having exploring 879 00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,799 Speaker 6: this in our conversation here, if Trump were to lose, 880 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:45,839 Speaker 6: it would not surprise me at all if he runs again, 881 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,120 Speaker 6: But I would be more circumspected about whether or not 882 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,160 Speaker 6: the Republican Party at large would be equally eager to 883 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 6: see him remain in a position of power. 884 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,240 Speaker 1: Can I just say that, from your mouth to God's ear, 885 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,240 Speaker 1: I'd love to see him run in twenty twenty eight. 886 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: I think there's not a single Democrat who would not 887 00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:04,879 Speaker 1: be delighted by that. 888 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 4: I think you're right, and quite. 889 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: Frankly, Dieu, as my people say, you've been in different 890 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,839 Speaker 1: forms of media, read different forms of media, been on 891 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: different forms of media. 892 00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 3: How are we. 893 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 6: Failing well, Mollie. That is a big picture question, and 894 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,240 Speaker 6: I'm not sure if I have an equally big picture answer. 895 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,839 Speaker 6: I think that we're at a point of transition. I 896 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,879 Speaker 6: think that the corporate role and in terms of its 897 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 6: control over the media. I think that public consumption and 898 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,640 Speaker 6: how people are going about consuming their day to day news, 899 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 6: all of that is very much and flux. And it's 900 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 6: concerning because, as we talked about earlier, the fact that 901 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,920 Speaker 6: there's so many local newspapers that are disappearing. But at 902 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 6: the same time there are these new opportunities for people 903 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,759 Speaker 6: like you and people like me who are pursuing new 904 00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,480 Speaker 6: and creative lines of media. It is difficult to know 905 00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 6: how to feel about these transition periods because there's so 906 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 6: much uncertainty, you know, there's still a small part of 907 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 6: me that likes to think that in the end things 908 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 6: are maybe things will work out. Okay, let's hope for 909 00:45:59,640 --> 00:45:59,959 Speaker 6: the best. 910 00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,040 Speaker 3: Thank you, Steve. That was great, Thank you, thank you. 911 00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:05,080 Speaker 6: It's great to talk to you. 912 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 2: Molly. 913 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:13,760 Speaker 1: No moment, Rick Wilson, Yes, Molly, what is your moment 914 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:14,440 Speaker 1: of fuckery? 915 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,560 Speaker 4: I would tell you my moment of fuckery is something political, 916 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 4: But it is my daughter in law who is due 917 00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 4: to deliver my first grandchild any minute now, and I'm 918 00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,520 Speaker 4: waiting for that baby. Where's that baby. I want to 919 00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 4: see the baby. I want to see that baby. No, 920 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,800 Speaker 4: my actual moment of fuckery beyond wanting to see some baby, 921 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,840 Speaker 4: is everyone in America knew Donald Trump would eventually tire 922 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,360 Speaker 4: of being held in a cage and being told to 923 00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 4: be responsible, and being told to be a grown up 924 00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,799 Speaker 4: and being told to be an adult. That is why 925 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 4: Horley Woodolski is back in the campaign. And though it 926 00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,520 Speaker 4: has been greeted by the media as a sort of 927 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 4: beta complete, and I'm going to tell you this is 928 00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,839 Speaker 4: a guy with a terrible record of violence, of being 929 00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:03,120 Speaker 4: a abusive to women, of being a creep, an adulterer, 930 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 4: a guy who is just a scummy person. He is 931 00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 4: not a good guy, and the media seems to be 932 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,760 Speaker 4: a yogged like Lewardowski, a vetteran of Trump's previous campaign, 933 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 4: without putting in the things like Lewandowski fired by Trump 934 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,240 Speaker 4: super pac for sexual harassment, Lewandowski grabbing reporters and bruising 935 00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 4: their arms by man handling reporters, Lewandowski having an extramural 936 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,319 Speaker 4: affair with Christino. And this is a guy with a 937 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 4: very bad reputation over time, a very ugly personal life, 938 00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:31,640 Speaker 4: and no one seems to care. But listen, Molly, the 939 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,960 Speaker 4: fuckery of it is, if your campaign is really in 940 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 4: trouble with women and is losing women voters across the board, 941 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,800 Speaker 4: the solution is never corfit. 942 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:39,520 Speaker 2: What doests me? 943 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,480 Speaker 5: Thank you, Rick Welson, thanks for having me. 944 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in 945 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,800 Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday and Friday to hear the best minds 946 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,040 Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you 947 00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend 948 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,440 Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.