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Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 1: it's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoir, It's Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof club.

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Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity book Club. I'll tell your secrets. We won't talk

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Speaker 1: No, boys are a loud cele book say it loud

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer foe.

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Speaker 1: Hey, best friend. Really good to see you, great to reconnect.

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Speaker 2: Really good to reconnect.

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Speaker 1: My sense actually sarcast no, no, no, I'm thrilled to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's been a long, crazy weekend. I've been in Atlantic City.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen you since in a week.

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Speaker 1: Which is crazy for us because we're so close and

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Speaker 2: Put Rolling Stone in twenty eleven called witty, urbane sassy.

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Speaker 1: Can I just say Atlantic City is the saddest town

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Speaker 2: I mean you say this like it's some news, like

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Speaker 2: it's literally not like meth Capitol. I just watched I

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Speaker 2: was forced to watch a murder doc by my girlfriend

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Speaker 2: and it's all just like, yeah, about eighty people were

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Speaker 1: That's the vibe on every single block. It's completely desolate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like just wait for it. Well except for

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Speaker 2: the Ocean's Resort, which is the new casino.

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Speaker 1: Which is the nicest there, and it is so like

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Speaker 1: But it is like a guess not just like completely

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Speaker 1: Caesar's is like a broken escalator that you walk up

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Speaker 2: Just like so many hallways to other banquet halls that

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Speaker 1: But ultimately there are still iconic old school tilling restaurants

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Lantic city is very perfect twenty four hours. Once

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Speaker 2: it hits twenty six, you have to go.

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Speaker 1: We were at Docks Oyster Bar, our favorite place.

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Speaker 2: So you did all the also, which I did in December.

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Speaker 2: But all the like off strip iconic restaurants are five is.

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Speaker 2: When I was there, my iconic waitress was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I was ultimately quite seduced.

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Speaker 1: It's impossible. It's been really impossible not to be deuced

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Speaker 1: None other than CBC alum nor Efron.

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Speaker 2: There's something about this book and I haven't had this

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Speaker 1: Rischel's in this book. Tina Brown is in this.

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Speaker 1: This book, of course, who gives her top Chef pet

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Speaker 1: She's like, oh right, I have to like make this

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Speaker 2: You are so right, and maybe it's just like me

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Speaker 2: my childhood. Yeah, when I had first moved to New

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Speaker 2: York City and just started eating meat the dirty boiling water.

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Speaker 2: I asked one double mustard, and she like makes herself

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Speaker 2: sound so naughty for telling him to do x y mustard.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's classic thing. Girl thinks.

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Speaker 2: She's always like, doesn't have calories.

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Speaker 1: Always like and I had more than my fair share

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Speaker 1: of fried chicken. She always like has this like kind

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Speaker 1: of fake laugh that she's doing to be like can

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Speaker 1: you believe it? Yes, I did indulge ever so nicely, And.

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Speaker 2: It's like she had one piece and was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: what's in the battle.

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Speaker 1: She's also so aviators, which is so biited because she

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Speaker 1: is so.

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Speaker 2: Bided again, which is also like catalog ad like, she's

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Speaker 2: not high fashion, she's ray Ban aviators. She's too Harry luggage.

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Speaker 1: She's so too harri to me.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was at nord Storms and I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, I'll get a new suitcase for my trip.

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Speaker 2: And I thought like, nord Storm wrath whatever, it's gonna

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Speaker 2: be sixty dollars, Oh honey, No, you're gonna have four

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Speaker 2: seventy five.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, walk it all the way back, okay. And You're like,

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Speaker 1: I haven't even heard of this person. You're like, this

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Speaker 1: is the new Eli to Harry suitcase. It's premium, genuine plastic.

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Speaker 1: It costs four seventy five to.

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Speaker 2: Hurt Solmon And I think this is a very example

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Speaker 2: of the relationship and also how you can look back

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Speaker 2: on a relationship and see the red flags. Ye, and

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Speaker 2: it's the romance, but also.

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Speaker 1: The toxic gess this when she gets this is.

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Speaker 2: The honeymoon, Okay. Our honeymoon included a red carpet event

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Speaker 2: in khn My first to help out his son Safar,

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Speaker 2: who was doing pr there, and to stop in Barcelona

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Speaker 2: so he could give a speech. I was immune then

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Speaker 2: to what this rather unromantic detour portended, and I didn't

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Speaker 2: mind so much. I'd have said so if I did,

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Speaker 2: And she's like, can I do have agency? And then

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Speaker 2: later she has.

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Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I mean just to have panic attacks on

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Speaker 1: the red carpet. Yeah, same, I mean doing like work speeches,

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Speaker 1: like on your honeymoon. That's the honeymoon. No, like that's

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Speaker 1: a fun vacation. But I just like think if you.

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Speaker 2: Were like, oh my god, I like come to Morocco.

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Speaker 2: I'm giving a speech.

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Speaker 1: Things where it is a little bit like, you know,

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Speaker 1: truth is ultimately in the eye of the narrator because

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Speaker 1: we only have this to But it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: if that weren't called a honeymoon, you wouldn't say that

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Speaker 1: that was toxic behavior would have been like fab, that's fab,

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Speaker 1: Like he has worked up, but he's like taking herund there,

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Speaker 1: going on this fun trip and like she has to

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Speaker 1: do a red carpet once and then they go to

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Speaker 1: the beach. Like but if you're calling it the honeymoon,

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Speaker 1: then you're like, oh, that is so toxic, Like honeymoon

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Speaker 1: should be Mexico couple's only p cerda like you know

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Speaker 1: from But then like, is Kristin Cavalieri toxic for like

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Speaker 1: always bringing her friend group like on her vacations with.

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Speaker 2: Jay, Yeah, she is, And like that's why Jay was mad,

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Speaker 2: and that's honestly why they divorced.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I do like this part which I about settlement.

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Speaker 1: He could be aerodyite and serious, but he could also

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Speaker 1: be sardonic. He was an equal opportunity to rid poking

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Speaker 1: phone at everything from poetry to pop culture. Like again,

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Speaker 1: there's just something so Toyot's sold.

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Speaker 2: She's like we talked about the Iraq War, new restaurants

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Speaker 2: that opened on the Lower East Side and fashion faux pause,

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Speaker 2: like Nancy Pelosi, what is your favorite for it?

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Speaker 1: Stew what he goes. He often joked about poets the

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Speaker 1: words don't even go to the end of the page,

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Speaker 1: which that's a good juke about poetry. Salmon with his

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Speaker 1: sardonic sense of.

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Speaker 2: And she's experiencing symptoms of endometriosis and she doesn't want

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Speaker 2: to have sex and he doesn't believe her.

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Speaker 1: I don't know endometrios. This is a disse that we

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Speaker 1: are still learning about in the gynacological community of which

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Speaker 1: I am a part.

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Speaker 2: Of thank you. Stephen is getting his associates.

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Speaker 1: Inological assistance.

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Speaker 2: Wait, do you know any kind ofcologists? No, creepy Okay,

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Speaker 2: I just thought maybe you're like parents would be randomly

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Speaker 2: like friends with like a malologist.

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Speaker 1: Are you so like classic lesbian where you're just like

519
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Speaker 1: I've only been once in your whole life?

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Speaker 2: I went once, and.

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Speaker 1: You're like getting in this trip like backwards, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm so like, what do I do? And I'm I'm

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Speaker 2: just yeah, I was told to be here. I don't

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Speaker 2: know anyway, Yeah, what's up?

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Speaker 1: And then this like really really kind old Jewish woman

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Speaker 1: has the speculum all the way up your pussy and

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Speaker 1: she's just like, you're pregnant.

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Speaker 2: Okay, of course my gut incologist, though it callen the

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Speaker 2: word was so like half shaved, tiny little flannel, was

530
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Speaker 2: just really kind. Anyway, I probably should go back at

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Speaker 2: some point because we need to bring awareness to queer

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Speaker 2: folks al Tony to go to the guyecologists.

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Speaker 1: And they also can suffer from endometrios.

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Speaker 2: Yes, straight girls.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, So she's been having pain with her period

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Speaker 1: her whole life and it basically just gets worse and

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Speaker 1: worse every year from her Menash to her mid thirties.

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Speaker 1: It's always getting worse and worse. And basically what happens Endometrio.

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Speaker 2: Sas Ma Dallas Stephen is that.

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Speaker 1: If I remember correctly from reading this book by Problem

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Speaker 1: Monocks Me, that we're talking about is that the uterine

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Speaker 1: lining like doesn't fully expel and kind of.

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Speaker 2: Like builds up, because that's what appear.

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Speaker 1: Period is like the egg of everything is leaving each month. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but it's not all leaving, and then it's like this

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Speaker 1: like kind of like scar toote basically is like building

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Speaker 1: up and like expanding and staying in it like goes

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Speaker 1: around your entire body.

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Speaker 2: Being full of blood. I remember when we first met.

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Speaker 2: One of your first questions for me, it's about my period.

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Speaker 1: And here I am still today and you won't tell

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Speaker 1: me anything.

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Speaker 2: I try, but yeah, you don't listen like Potma.

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Speaker 1: Tous No, I don't. I'm at Fasalka and they're blah

555
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Speaker 1: blah blah war this shut up and give me my

556
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Speaker 1: goddamn perogies.

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Speaker 2: Give me my resistances.

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Speaker 1: Endangered porsh don't eat too much. It's in dangers.

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Speaker 2: We don't have enough of it. And then there's this

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Speaker 2: really depressing scene where he's being.

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Speaker 1: It's like their second anniversary or something. I mean, she

562
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Speaker 1: has been very like understanding towards him, but also.

563
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Speaker 2: She's like I get it, Like we used to have

564
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Speaker 2: sex all the time and.

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Speaker 1: Now I don't, and I'm being like so tired and

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Speaker 1: mean like I can't. And then we like go to

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Speaker 1: Daniel and have like a seven course meal for anniversary. Durn.

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Speaker 1: It's also just like Salmon should have listened to Dan Savage.

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Speaker 2: Before you eat It's courses.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, And so then she's like in so much

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Speaker 1: pain chance like when in the hospital that night, and

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Speaker 1: he's so mad at her for not having sex that

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Speaker 1: he like strums out of the room. And then she's like,

574
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Speaker 1: now I'm calling an ambulance.

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00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: And then she references multiple times and she was like

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Speaker 2: and he still didn't even totally get it when the

577
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Speaker 2: ambulance come, and then she has her doctor call him

578
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: to be like no, she's actually sick, and he's kind

579
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Speaker 2: of like, okay, but I think he's too far gone

580
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Speaker 2: at that point, and I think his ego is so bruised.

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Speaker 1: But you know, but it's like at the same time,

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Speaker 1: their relationship I'm sure was also deteriorating besides just the sex.

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Speaker 1: So it's like, I'm sure that there's more going on

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Speaker 1: with him feeling like untended to, and you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure his ego is a fire that can never be

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Speaker 1: fully stoked, but it's like, should there's more going on

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Speaker 1: with him feelings it's a very or no relationship to.

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Speaker 2: Quote mother or not from couples therapy. If something is

589
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 2: wrong with the sex and relationship, it doesn't start with

590
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Speaker 2: the sex. It starts with something else.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so as much as the sex relationship was

592
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Speaker 1: not helped by her medical condition, which was horrible, there

593
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 1: was other stuff going on. You know. I think the

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Speaker 1: sort of central animating thesis of this book in this

595
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Speaker 1: way that she doesn't ever quite articulate, is this tension

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Speaker 1: she has with her taxi tvus of wanting to be

597
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 1: like this really smart international globalist like politician, but also

598
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Speaker 1: being like a hot sexy TV model who like was

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00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: on like random Italian mini series and like cooking shows die.

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Speaker 2: When she says, right before she moves to America after

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Speaker 2: her modeling days, she was like I was on the

602
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Speaker 2: talk Soup of Italy, yeah, which I'm like sobsasted. Well

603
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 2: that and Solomon.

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Speaker 1: And brings all the insecurities to the four because he's

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Speaker 1: like being this mentor right, and like he gave her

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Speaker 1: a book by Russell Right.

607
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Speaker 2: He loves the she's like a cookbook author, and he

608
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Speaker 2: like encourages it. But then as she's like filming morever

609
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Speaker 2: top Chef, it's like what you want and then he's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I didn't totally want this. I still need you to

611
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Speaker 2: be arm candy. I can't have you like shooting for

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Speaker 2: twelve hours a day. And then I think she's like

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00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: intimidated by him, So she's like a little bit trying

614
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Speaker 2: to hide her career ambitions yet still wanting them.

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Speaker 1: And that's crazy, and of course, like you know, that's

616
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: the kind of thing where I don't think there's any

617
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: way that she is can exaggerate that kind of toxicity

618
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: where it's just like if you're not supportive of your

619
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: partner's career.

620
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Speaker 2: Especially if they're hosting a new hot Bravo show.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of the perfect thing as a writer to

622
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Speaker 1: be like, yeah, my wife is like cool and sexy

623
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Speaker 1: and hosting this amazing show and is like being on

624
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 1: the cover of Time for her endometriosis foundation or whatever.

625
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: It's like those are wouldn't you.

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00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 2: But I think there's also still a little bit of

627
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: like Adbusters in him too.

628
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: That that he's been like, you're so commercial.

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Speaker 2: Yet he's just been like, oh Bravo TV. Yes, just

630
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Speaker 2: like I'm calm.

631
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Speaker 1: But it's just the thing is, it's like they both

632
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: love the trappings and the glamour. He loves glamor.

633
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Speaker 2: She literally is like there was events every single night.

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Speaker 1: Right, And it's kind of like, ultimately there's no wrong

635
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Speaker 1: way to get to the red carpet.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for saying.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of think that's like the lesson of

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Speaker 1: the book in this way, because I think there's one

639
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Speaker 1: point I remember, like when Top Chef starts winning Emmys,

640
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: and like she has like our second couple, and she's like,

641
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Speaker 1: finally I was like being recognized not for my looks

642
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: but for my knowledge. And I'm kind of like it's

643
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: always been both. It's like and you don't have to

644
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: like worry that those two things are so separate. It's

645
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like your personality or experience, your life story is so fascinating.

646
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: But I think that's the pretty girls always the devil

647
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: on their shoulders that people only like me for my looks.

648
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: No one likes me for my mind. And I mean

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Speaker 2: you and I, I know we both relate to that

650
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: so much.

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Speaker 1: You know. I relate to that, yes, because like everybody

652
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: just wants to fuck me. And that's why the CEO

653
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: of iHeart gave us this show. I do relate to

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Speaker 1: the like, oh, I'll always be seen as a lightweight,

655
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: you know, because it's like I do want to be

656
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: this intellectual globalism I can tell. And yet it's always

657
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: been like, oh, I love your fun celebrity gossip podcast,

658
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just being like.

659
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: No, no, read my articles.

660
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: In my articles I've been published, and you know, and

661
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: people are like, you're just a fun podcaster, and so

662
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: I get it, Pama. It's like I totally get.

663
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 2: I feel like I have that. The opposite of her

664
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 2: is where I feel like sexually, people are like, oh

665
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: really so funny, right, but no one's ever being like whoa.

666
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 2: I mean people have, but I'm saying, like my fears

667
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: that only are attracted to the humor and not just

668
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: like oh, who's that silent butcher over there or who's

669
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: so hot? Yeah, like I'm always gonna be talking more.

670
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 1: Well, maybe need to shut your gass up, and then

671
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: maybe people will be like, who's that hot silent book? Okay,

672
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: think about that?

673
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, this is me being stoic

674
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: and silent. What's up? It's a good book.

675
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: You want to be the cresident start.

676
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 2: I feel like her second relationship could have also only

677
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 2: come out of dating Salmon.

678
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 1: First, she is constantly like, on a date with a

679
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: man who's like thirty years older, is a billionaire, and

680
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: then she's just being like, of course, I didn't think

681
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: it was a date. I had no idea that he

682
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: had any intentions to romance me. But then he sent

683
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: me flowers in a private plane, and I started to

684
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: wonder she was.

685
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: He said, oh, do you want to ride to Los Angeles?

686
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait, what do you mean on

687
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: my private plane?

688
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: No, as she's just like fondling her sexy scar.

689
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 2: Oh, and the father of her child is Adam Dell.

690
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: The brother of the inventional Dell Computers, and she.

691
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: The way she talks about him is like, oh, the

692
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: younger club guy that like isn't as serious as like

693
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 2: the other billionaire. She ends up with Teddy.

694
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Speaker 1: I didn't realize that either until I looked him up

695
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh wait, this guy is also.

696
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: A okay bitch. Her challenge donate a.

697
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Billionaire challenge like stop securing every fucking bag on the

698
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: planet for two seconds.

699
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: So she gets herself in quite of a pickle.

700
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, so let's just talk about this relationship. So

701
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Speaker 1: she's dating this billionaire who is the head of IMG,

702
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: who's like seventy five. Then she's sitting this hotter younger guy,

703
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: Adam Dell, brother of Dell, inventor, brother of Dell.

704
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 2: And she tells Teddy billionaire because she's also fresh off

705
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 2: her divorce, and she's like, look, I'm dating and he's like, okay,

706
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 2: that's fine.

707
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: And she's been very I'm dating to both of them

708
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: for like that sounds like a while.

709
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, this, the whole thing is very sex and the

710
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: city Teddy is. They take his private plane to Southampton.

711
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: He never misses a map service.

712
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: He's so like just the most like normal Republican businessman. Yeah,

713
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: and she's just been like his mind was electric.

714
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: No, I wrote this. This is so her. When someone

715
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: says someone has a wicked sense of humor, you know,

716
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: they literally don't. She's like, Teddy had a wicked sense

717
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 2: of humor, and then she would like always quote him

718
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 2: in this book and it's like he did sound funny

719
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: and kind of like a grandpa who's ribbing you.

720
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: He's a ribbing grandpa. He's the kind who like sees

721
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: the grandson with the beer and it's like, hey, stand

722
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 1: a little closer to the razor next time, you know.

723
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: And she takes him to Noma, the famous Nordic cuisine,

724
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: and that does sound fun. She was like, he was

725
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: the perfect person to take to Nomah, and he was

726
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: being so like, roxy you kidding me, Like where's my ribbi?

727
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: I did love that whole scene at Nomah and they

728
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: bring out the shrimp and he's like, okay, this one's

729
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Andrea i gues See. This one's Pete Sampras. And she

730
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: looked like they're tennis players and she's probably.

731
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 2: Throwing her head back and laughter, and she was like,

732
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: I'm surrounded by what we call foodie.

733
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 1: Yes, she's got like the wind machine honor. As she's

734
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 1: laughing hysterically at Nomah, she was being like very fooding,

735
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 1: that's seeing describing her. Nomah had like changed the way

736
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 1: we think about local foraged foods, from moss to cloudberry

737
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: putting things on our plate that we hadn't put on

738
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 1: the plate in hundreds of years, celebrating our local preveyers.

739
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: I mean, when you can feel it.

740
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 2: It's the intro to a chef's.

741
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: Table, and she's like, we pay top dollar for pre

742
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: wash to arugula while we trample dandelions on the way home.

743
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: Also makes you think she says what these restaurants really are,

744
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: which is you know, of the few kind of foam

745
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 2: eight course meals I've been to, she calls it is

746
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 2: performance art. It's not all food.

747
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: Can I also say her being a smoker is such

748
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: a flex and she's always referencing it, just being like, ooh,

749
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: I had to quit smoking now that I was thirty seven.

750
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, she has amazing jeans. That why she

751
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: her skin is always so glowing and incredible.

752
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Literally said that in a tweet yesterday when someone was like,

753
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: how do you look so good? And she goes, I

754
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 2: spend my life in the gym, boxing for two hours

755
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 2: a day.

756
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: And I am constantly eating just like the most incredible

757
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 1: saffron yogurt's movies and also jeans. Okay, the scene though,

758
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: when her and Salmon are trying to reconcile and he

759
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: comes to the top chef. Oh my god, yes, and

760
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: then he gets there, someone tells her that her husband's here,

761
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: and she thinks she's unmiked, and she says, tell him

762
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: that we're still working. I need to go out for

763
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: a cigarette. And he hears her say this.

764
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 2: I imagine being one of the most world renowned writers.

765
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 2: And then you're seventy You're hearing your hot young Bravo

766
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: hostess wife be like, just make him way in the

767
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: waiting room like I'm a smoke.

768
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: And he's hearing that, and everyone else in the control

769
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: room's hearing that, and it's just like you instantly get

770
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: like cocked, like in front of the whole staff of.

771
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: The every producer Chica.

772
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: And then the smoking thing was also his marriage thing

773
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: because he has asthma, and so she kind of like

774
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: tried to quit for him, but was also.

775
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 2: Again it's a carry moment, can't you see her? Yes,

776
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: it's okay, running out of some sort of ball or

777
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: charity thing, opens her little Gucci clutch, pulls out a

778
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 2: cigarette and then an Adam Dell maybe a younger billionaire,

779
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 2: comes up to her, lights her cigarette. They talk and

780
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: she thinks to herself, I could be with someone younger.

781
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: And then she does so back to her pickle. So

782
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: she's dating this old ass billionaire wicked humor. And then

783
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: computer brother Adam Dell, who did you look at a photo?

784
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 2: No wiki, big dick Oh wait I did? Yes, he

785
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 2: is a big.

786
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: Nose, big old dick face and he's like six foot and.

787
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Then they like she goes clubbing with him, and she

788
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: was like, it was really nice to dance and not

789
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: talk because I feel like she felt like forced to talk.

790
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: I like my like big to computer brother like boyfriend.

791
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: So she's dating both of these guys and the whole

792
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 1: time she's gonna be but I was more into Teddy

793
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: even because he like was more of a taddy and

794
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: like it was more about like companionship and him ribbing

795
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: me and like I was so fascinated by his global business.

796
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: And she was like, I would find myself with Adam,

797
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: wishing Teddy was there that I could talk with a

798
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: true friend.

799
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: And entrepreneur like guide as I was launching my jewelry line.

800
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: And so she gets pregnant and it's Adam's baby, and

801
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: she decides that she wants to break up with Adam

802
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: raise the kid with Teddy.

803
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 2: Because by then she had already chosen Teddy as like

804
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: her man.

805
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was around the same time.

806
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was still a little murky.

807
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: And so she's seeing the book. She's like, and I

808
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: know this presented both men withament, and it's like you're

809
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: basically being like, let me cock both of you so hard,

810
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 1: like raise a kid that's not your own. But then

811
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: she asked Adam to basically like still be a good

812
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: father and being the kid's life, but like not be

813
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: her boyfriend.

814
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: Talks about toxic men. He filips out at her in

815
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 2: the delivery room, finds the burser to is like, why

816
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 2: isn't my last name on this?

817
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: Like not that he should have like screamed at her

818
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: in the delivery room, and I'm sure that was very toxic,

819
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: but I'm like, I don't know how you could be

820
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: anything other than furious if your hot girlfriend who you

821
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 1: really like and want to day is like, so I'm pregnant,

822
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: it's yours, and I don't want to be with you.

823
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be with you. I'm gonna raise

824
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: your baby with this older billionaire.

825
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 2: But they had broken up. It was because the pregnancy happened.

826
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 2: When she goes, I had slipped back into our old ways,

827
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: so they had technically broken up six months ago, but

828
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 2: like her and Adam and then they had they had

829
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: like fucked once. Well, then she also, which is so

830
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: fab she admits, and she goes the worst part was

831
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: admitting that I had been with both men in the

832
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: span of one week.

833
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: Now, like, no, she fully has a Mama Mia I

834
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,959
Speaker 1: and it's fab.

835
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 2: You're like fucking this old ass man in his Hampton's

836
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: house then like going to his tribeca off.

837
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: And ultimately, like what is about her is even as

838
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: insane it is, she basically manifests exactly what she She's

839
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: just like, I am going to raise this kid with

840
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 1: the older, richer guy, but I still will get the

841
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: father like in her life. And then they put this

842
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: nasty custody battle, but then ultimately everything works out.

843
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: And ultimately Teddy does sadly pass of brain cancer, and

844
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 2: he does leave her daughter one point eight billion dollars

845
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:24,720
Speaker 2: in a trust. I'm like, applause, Yes, the bag suction

846
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 2: be that hot, so hot that.

847
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: You've got a dying billionaire leaving his fortune to your

848
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: daughther sons other kids to not even his own kid.

849
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: It's very succession. I'd be so pissed. I mean, I'm

850
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 2: sure the other sons are getting like the business.

851
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: I'm sure everyone's good at the end of and you

852
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: know what, Dell is good to everyone's good.

853
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: Everyone's fine. Also Padma, who's like, I'm a very liberal

854
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: person when she tells Teddy and he's also really pissed

855
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: that it's not his, and then he says to her,

856
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 2: the worst thing you could do would be get rid

857
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: of this baby.

858
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: Teddy is definitely anti abortion, yeah, and he is. He

859
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: was on the chair of George H. W. Bush's like

860
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: reelection coming, so he was.

861
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 2: Like, he was like, so, yeah, actually you're not that

862
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 2: hot that I literally will not speak to you if

863
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: you get an abortion. And then of course at the end,

864
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 2: taste of the nation, she's just so like her whole

865
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,959
Speaker 2: Twitter feed is just like Trump is so bad. Yeah,

866
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 2: but that is just like, yeah, of course, literally, my

867
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 2: soulmate is just like the most Republican man on her.

868
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: I feel like we haven't talked about our childhood at all,

869
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: but I know, I mean, she grew up between Indian

870
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,800
Speaker 1: and America, put in two worlds and you know, she reconciled.

871
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: That she ever felt like she was home in one right.

872
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: What I really really love is how her life itself

873
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: like is the art. Her life itself is this incredible

874
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: endurance piece of performance or you know, growing up in

875
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: India and America in Queens and like her mom like

876
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: married to this like cab driver and learn name, but

877
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: the city there's food and then like the crazy car

878
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: accidentally changed your name.

879
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: And so she was fully raped when she was ten.

880
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: By like an uncle. And then the reason why they

881
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: sent her to like twenty of them in the same room.

882
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have this in my notes. We didn't talk

883
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: about it is like the very common thing of a

884
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 2: parent not believing or not even to think about their

885
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: child's abuse.

886
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: I think the mom definitely believed her, but they sent

887
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: her away to India instead of sending the uncle away.

888
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they sent her to India instead of like kicking

889
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 2: out the man, the man who abused her. But then

890
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: eventually the mom divorced husband for not believing Podma and

891
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 2: they had her like mime what happened to her? That

892
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: sounded so twisted, which was so twisted.

893
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: And you know, of course at that time the mom

894
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: was also struggling, and she the mom's like trying to

895
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: make money as a nurse, and they're all living in

896
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: with her new cabby husband and his all his relatives

897
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: in their studio apartment on like seventy first Street or whatever.

898
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: And it was a different time and women, you know,

899
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: were they didn't really believe that, I didn't believe each

900
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: other and were gonna, you know, and like she was like,

901
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: I have a lot of options.

902
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 2: But also you're like, well, I don't want to be

903
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: single too, because like a man gives you more stability.

904
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what option did.

905
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 2: She have the man? She was to India, where she

906
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: does like finally then feel at home. She makes friends

907
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: with like her cousins, and like that's where also like

908
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 2: finally she like begins to learn how to cook a bit,

909
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: and then the thriller at the end when she finally

910
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: is like I think my aunties, Like finally we're like, okay,

911
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: you can cook.

912
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did like the part about the slow indoctrination

913
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: process and how like a certain age, you're allowed to

914
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: like do this with the oil and then do this

915
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: with the spices, and then you can put the chickpeas

916
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: And I just think it's funny how that we talke

917
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 1: about this book. It's like we're rarely talking about food

918
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: because the food is not really the form of those.

919
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: Poe well as you said, and it's like I am

920
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: realizing I was just kind of seduced by her host voice.

921
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: The food part that I did find again, like it

922
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: felt so decalb food mall is. She was like, I

923
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,359
Speaker 2: will not feed my baby like meat until we do

924
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: this step of spices and then rice in this but

925
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 2: she like has to feed her baby soup dumplings. Yeah,

926
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: She's like, you need all the dumplings.

927
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 1: That part is like thirty pages about how she feels

928
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: guilty before her like baby's Indian food ceremony that she

929
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: already gave it meat dumpling that she shouldn't have and

930
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: that was like.

931
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,280
Speaker 2: Okay, baby, it's okay, yeah, move on, we can figure

932
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: this out.

933
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: This is what seduced you, ladies and gentlemen. She's at

934
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: the green market and Union Square. Krishna enjoyed touching and

935
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: fingering all the different colored vegetables like spiky spiraled neon green,

936
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: romanesquco yellow, and purple corn with their soft silk sprouting

937
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: at the top. Nubby sweet potatoes, fuzzy peaches, and juicy plums.

938
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: She ate blueberries by the handful and loved the crisp

939
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: bite of sliced Asian pear. You going, okay, you're at

940
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: the market. She ate a berry like.

941
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 2: No, and again and you. Then you have the image

942
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 2: of the classic Netflix food documentary of the chef at

943
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 2: the Union Square farmers Market. I just was Bordain. He's

944
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 2: got a quote in the back. Do you think in

945
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 2: another world they could have dated?

946
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

947
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: Or could he only date a non chef? Same with her,

948
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,279
Speaker 2: like does she need a billionaire? But I feel like

949
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: in this other world maybe they could have been right

950
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 2: for each other.

951
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 1: I think she totally could have been right for him

952
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: with her style. It's like it'll be with her for

953
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 1: her because he's too unstable, like she craves stability, partly

954
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: because her father even talk about the fact that her

955
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: father is absent. Her father cheated on her mom with

956
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: his own cousin.

957
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: Damn day after the we at the wedding.

958
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: Literally and then the cousin lived like two floors below

959
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: than in the part was going.

960
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 2: Do you have a cousin you find attractive?

961
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: You know what? I will say this, my uncle's girlfriends

962
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: step kids when he is really hot, but I'm not

963
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: related to him. Yes, and New Zealand, so you're fine,

964
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: Yeah he's hot as hell.

965
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, basically this whole search of you know,

966
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 2: having the psalmon and the teddy. So the father he's gone,

967
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 2: so it's just turned her mother.

968
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the grandfather becomes the father figure. And so

969
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: that's partially why she likes much older men.

970
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: And well, and she's just searching.

971
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: Their tutelage and their stability. I do wonder who she's

972
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: dating now, and I do feel like maybe now that

973
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: kind of post foody revolution, she maybe is more into

974
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: like food guys.

975
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see her dating I'm sure he's married, but

976
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: like a Thomas Color.

977
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: I totally see her with a Thomas Color or a

978
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: Daniel Humm or maybe not a Ballue. I feel like

979
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: he's like he's actually maybe definitely with.

980
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: He Ballued is kind of like Santa Vibes. I feel

981
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: like he's a little more joyful.

982
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she's like getting like so many free eleven

983
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: course meals, like alone at the bar at Balloon and

984
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 1: he's serving her and she's just been like it didn't

985
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: seem like a date. But then I started having dinner

986
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: every single night, and we did sleep together.

987
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: I knew when the mango foam arrived something was different

988
00:46:59,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: about this.

989
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: Really say what her life sort of being this beautiful performance. Yes,

990
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: New York is very much a character in this book.

991
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Oh of course.

992
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: And when I came to this recording session, I took

993
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: the wrong.

994
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: Subway, so did I spirit? Wait, that's why I was late.

995
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 2: I got off.

996
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: I was late.

997
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: I got off at fifty ninth and I should have

998
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: gotten off at seventh.

999
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: I took the six when I'm supposed to take the

1000
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,600
Speaker 1: n R W ridiculous, And I got off at fifty first.

1001
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: And because I got off at fifty firsts and les,

1002
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: I had to walk by the Secrete Building. The Sequin

1003
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: Building is, of course my favorite skyscraper in New York,

1004
00:47:31,560 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: and it was the sight of one of my first

1005
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 1: days with my ex boyfriend. He later got me a

1006
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: framed blueprint of the Secret Building for our anniversary, and

1007
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: of course it's tucked away in an ex boyfriend box.

1008
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: But the Sequin Building is also the Old Four Seasons.

1009
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: It's where Tina Brown would have her lunches. We talked

1010
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: about in our episode, our episode that was referenced in

1011
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: the New York review of our podcast, the very same

1012
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: restaurant that I tried to go to my birthday and

1013
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: I got shut up for wearing shorts. And then I

1014
00:47:57,960 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: wrote about that in Mister Porter, and they asked me

1015
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: back to right again. And I thought, this building is

1016
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: the site of so much romantic failure and professional success.

1017
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: Writing an article getting turned away, restaurants, birthdays, dinner's boyfriends.

1018
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: It's a blueprint.

1019
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: For your life, my life in New York. And I

1020
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't have passed it if I hadn't by accident, got

1021
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: on the wrong train on the way to record this

1022
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: very episode about pod Milakshmi and her life and the

1023
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: blueprint that food and New York City has implanted on it.

1024
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: That's beautiful, isn't it.

1025
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah. I guess what I thought when I got off

1026
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: at fifty ninth was was the hot dogs, And I

1027
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: was like, I wish this could be a treat for me,

1028
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 2: like a treat that I deserve.

1029
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: And it was kind of just like, Okay, a normal

1030
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: hot dog.

1031
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 2: Lily's eating a hot dog like I I wish I

1032
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: could be, Like, I haven't had a hot dog in

1033
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: seven years?

1034
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:49,240
Speaker 1: Do you wish you'd only had like almond yogurt?

1035
00:48:49,360 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: And I deserved this zasty tangy segments with crispy chilies

1036
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: fried with garlic and ginger and carnivo. What does she eat?

1037
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: What does she wear?

1038
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: How does she live?

1039
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: What does she eat? Everything?

1040
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: Well, we literally know where she lives. She lives above

1041
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: a certain celebrity friend of mine in the penthouse. Oh right, Yeah,

1042
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,400
Speaker 2: basically she lives in Soho like close to Creton Pearl.

1043
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, she definitely has a big loft live work space,

1044
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: and there's definitely like so many assistants and like seeing.

1045
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 2: A version of apartments in that building. It's pretty like classic.

1046
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 2: It's less lofty and more little like classic rich person apartment.

1047
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: So concept for sure.

1048
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: I feel like it's so open kitchen though, Oh, I

1049
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 1: feel like it's very like Bethany's second apartment, you know

1050
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: what I mean?

1051
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 2: I just meant it is raw like her alphabet city was.

1052
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:59,479
Speaker 2: I think it's massive island. I think it's I learned

1053
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 2: this term waterfall granite. Oh when the granite goes totally

1054
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 2: down from the.

1055
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: Top, oh around the island, I know.

1056
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, or she like this is a beautiful

1057
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: wood that I got imported and I oil it every

1058
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: single day.

1059
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: She's definitely not oiling wood every day by any so.

1060
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: It's waterfall granite. The spice collection is off the Chiseengming.

1061
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 2: I think there is huge bowl of citruses. You can't

1062
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 2: even imagine.

1063
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: There's always like beautiful big wooden bowls, both from her

1064
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: travels and like that friends have given her. After the

1065
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 1: shooting of like a season of Top Chefs.

1066
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: At the bottom, it just says like Top Chef All

1067
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 2: Stars Hawaii.

1068
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's definitely like so many like Top Chef Junior's Netherlands,

1069
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: like framed photos.

1070
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 2: I think everything is really labeled in the fridge. I

1071
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 2: think it's like Chutney is.

1072
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: Doing the labeling for sure. So she talks about like

1073
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: painting the cabinets red and the East village play alphabet city.

1074
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: I think that Bohemians. Yeah, I think that she has

1075
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: some like Bohemian accents. I mean she is Buddha, but

1076
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: she literally is Indians. Yeah, so she's like it's chill.

1077
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: I think there's like cool textiles.

1078
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: Because her style is kind of like I think referencing

1079
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: like Indian styles of dress. Like there's a lot of

1080
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: like brightly colored silks and stuff that she's not being

1081
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: so like sorry every day. She's she's more like wearing

1082
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: like a sexy silky body kon dress.

1083
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, or like a sexy like little blouse.

1084
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think like she likes a lot of

1085
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: like fitted stuff. And this comes back to her being

1086
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: more like host where it's like she likes stuff that

1087
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: shows the girls and so like why not Yeah, like

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00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,760
Speaker 1: a lot of tank tops, like a lot of comfortable

1089
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: stuff that she can move and cook and talk and

1090
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 1: hop into a taxi on her way to a.

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00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: Dinner circle please.

1092
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's constantly hailing a cap to and from Conda Circle.

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00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 2: I guess most what I get from her organization, I

1094
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 2: think it's chic, colorful and like wildly organized.

1095
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1096
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 2: But I also think like if something splatters, that's fine.

1097
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 2: Do you think she supplements, yes, like I think fish

1098
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 2: oil just I think like crazy like fish oil maybe

1099
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 2: one other thing. Do you think she like gets stuff

1100
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 2: from nuts dot com?

1101
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: Well? I think in this way that she is like

1102
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: an influencer. She gets so much, so much random ship that.

1103
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 2: The assistant is going through and being like do you

1104
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: want these like chili lime Cashews.

1105
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,640
Speaker 1: And so like she's meeting this chef who's like started

1106
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 1: their direct to consumer like Nigerian spice company, right, and

1107
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: so she has like a three months worth supply of

1108
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 1: these spices, but like they are in her sort of

1109
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: intake rates.

1110
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: Right, And David Chang is like sending all of his

1111
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: like also like new soy sauces to.

1112
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 1: Her and her David Chang are in a group text

1113
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: and they're just like, uh, do you want to go

1114
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: to Wild Air tonight?

1115
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: And she's just been that sounds wonderful.

1116
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: And then she is going to World her And this

1117
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: is the thing is like she's still having fun and

1118
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: she's still fab.

1119
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 2: Well how does she live? I was reminded yesterday that

1120
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 2: she went through a spree of following like all these

1121
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: like Brooklyn comedians including you.

1122
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: Oh and I do forget that she does follow me

1123
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: and she's listening to this right now.

1124
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: That was in like twenty sixteen. Hey, Panma, I loved

1125
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 2: when someone calls her pads it was a nickname. I

1126
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 2: thought that was fun.

1127
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: That's so cute.

1128
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, what does she wear? We cover that? What

1129
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 2: does she eat? I mean she's tasting the nation? Yeah,

1130
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 2: but mostly I think she is, as she says, plant based.

1131
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 2: I think she's doing her iconic yogurt.

1132
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: Rice didn't eat meat until she was teen, so.

1133
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 2: She keeps meat for special occasions and for work, and

1134
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: I think mostly it is like gorgeous vegetable dishes, yeah.

1135
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and incorporating different cultures and ideas and recipes and

1136
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,319
Speaker 1: to everything she does, because America is a melting bot.

1137
00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 2: Who were you of the book?

1138
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: I guess there were part of me that did identify

1139
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 1: it slightly with like grumpy Salmon when he was like

1140
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: in his office writing article.

1141
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 2: I was like, you're so third floor Salmon, being like tigers,

1142
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 2: but then also like breaking for a second and then

1143
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 2: being mad that like your lovers and paying attention to you.

1144
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: Right, And then I'm like sharing the article with my

1145
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: lover and my lover's being like it's great, I love it.

1146
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like do you do you really? But then

1147
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: I also really identified with Poda as being just like, uh,

1148
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: like everyone is always gonna just like see me for

1149
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: how gorgeous I am and being this like lightweight host

1150
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 1: with a scar with a scar and not an intellectual

1151
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: political heavyweight.

1152
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: I think I am teddy working on my swing billionaire

1153
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: anti abortion.

1154
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: And we only have so little time left.

1155
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the results just came in. My heart is giving

1156
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: out in one two best.

1157
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: I honestly, I would give this book four out of

1158
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: five dosas. Like I was ultimately like there's a lot

1159
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 1: that's caring about her and there's.

1160
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 2: That's what I loved.

1161
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think there's a lot about As I said,

1162
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: the food portion like kind of like the show like

1163
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: feels a little bit like shoehorned next to like her

1164
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: having other ideas. But I'm like, ultimately, her life is

1165
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: incredibly fascinating, It's very unique. It's a story worth telling.

1166
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: I give it four point two Top Chef bowls out

1167
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: of five balls that are given personally. Yeah, honestly because

1168
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 2: it's sometimes rare and whether yes, it's biased from her opinion,

1169
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 2: but I was like a real story about a relationship

1170
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 2: that you.

1171
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: Read about yes, yes, and now.

1172
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 2: And hear the pros and the cons and like let's

1173
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 2: get into it and the sex and the heartbreak.

1174
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:52,959
Speaker 1: Yeah. So thank you Padna, thank you.

1175
00:55:53,120 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 2: Paths Best, Hello Chefs. This episodic delicious meal of flavors.

1176
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:09,520
Speaker 2: It was produced by Darby Masters, who is an amazing

1177
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 2: activist sailor contestant on season four of Top Chef, and

1178
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,319
Speaker 2: the supervising producer is Abuzafar and he was a well

1179
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 2: he is the father of my child technically, and he

1180
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 2: did give my daughter three billion dollars, so that's amazing.

1181
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: This podcast was executive produced by Christina Everett, who was

1182
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 2: a badass entrepreneur and the most amazing chef I've ever met.

1183
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:42,320
Speaker 2: This episode couldn't have happened with such a gorgeous graphic design.

1184
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: And I love graphic design. And if I wasn't a

1185
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 2: chop and an author and a model, maybe I would

1186
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: be a graphic designer. Who knows. Anyway. The graphic design

1187
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 2: was done by Teddy Blanks, Oh my God. And the

1188
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 2: music or theme song Steven Phillips or their theme song.

1189
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: I saw him at City Winery with a group of

1190
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 2: my girlfriends once and we just fell in love with him.

1191
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: But I'm actually already dating another seven year old billionaire

1192
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: or so I will not be pursuing Steven Philip's worst.

1193
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:19,600
Speaker 2: This podcast was birthed with prolonged projects. One day, we

1194
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: just met in a test kitchen and we fried up

1195
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:26,919
Speaker 2: some kree leaves, but then we added Gin sing and

1196
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 2: then we added short grain rice, and then a podcast happened,

1197
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: and that that's Celebrity book Club for you.