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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio and welcome back to Coast to Coast Jason

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Speaker 1: McClean with us here as we talk about his work,

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Speaker 1: how UFOs in Bigfoot proof the Bible is true. Jason,

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Speaker 1: let's get back to your pterodactyl sighting and tell us

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Speaker 1: what happened. So, yes, George's as like I said's nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety two summer. We're out fishing in this creek and

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Speaker 1: we're getting ready to head back in. My friends already gone,

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Speaker 1: and I hear this, this call of something. I think

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Speaker 1: my head out from beyond the tree line and I

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Speaker 1: see at first for I think is the largest blue

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Speaker 1: heron I've ever seen in my life, thinking easily had

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Speaker 1: a wingspan between eight to ten feet. Wow, and flu

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Speaker 1: like like a heron. You know, again, we're well south

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Speaker 1: of Dallas. Lag cattles get we get a lot of

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Speaker 1: egrits to love herons, so it wasn't uncommon to see

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Speaker 1: the food just like it. But as he got literally

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Speaker 1: five feet in front of me, as it passed right

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Speaker 1: in front of me, the tip was no, it was

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Speaker 1: no more than five feet from me, I realized there

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Speaker 1: were no feathers on the creature, and what I thought

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Speaker 1: had been if you've ever seen a hair in flying,

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Speaker 1: you know, they stick their legs out immediately behind them.

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Speaker 1: What I then its legs singing out was actually a tail.

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Speaker 1: There was a long, stiff tail that came to a

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Speaker 1: flanged end, sort of diamond shape, and it just went

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Speaker 1: soaring on. I got to the chance to see it

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Speaker 1: much clearer than for a longer period of time, as

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Speaker 1: it was sort of leaving before it banks away again.

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Speaker 1: I was able to see it sort of almost like

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Speaker 1: a top profile as it banked right, and I was shocked,

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Speaker 1: to say the least, you know, And of course I'm

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Speaker 1: sitting and thinking like what did I just see? My

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Speaker 1: friend comes back, of course, right after this thing disappears.

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Speaker 1: He's like, what's wrong, and I'm like, did you see that?

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Speaker 1: He's what the terid actyl? And he laughs and says,

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Speaker 1: you were out of your mind and just walks away.

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Speaker 1: And it was at that moment I sort of realized,

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Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna believe me. I didn't believe me

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Speaker 1: at first. I thought it was a heron, just a

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Speaker 1: really big one. But until I got five feet from

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Speaker 1: the same realized what it was, and like all good

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Speaker 1: twelve year olds, you know, I had a giant book

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Speaker 1: of dinosaurs, and I started flipping through it trying to

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Speaker 1: find the time of terodactyl that it was. Of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was familiar with the trianadawon you had

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Speaker 1: the one that everyone loves it. So the flint stones

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Speaker 1: is on everything. You know. It has a beak and

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Speaker 1: a crest, but didn't have a tail. And what I

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Speaker 1: saw had no you know, it had a beaked like face,

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't a beak, it didn't have a crest

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Speaker 1: and had a long flanged tail. And so it was

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Speaker 1: flipping through and I found the ramperractoid family um of

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Speaker 1: of tard of terodactyls, and of course the name from

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Speaker 1: the ram francis, which means toothpeaked. And basically imagine a

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Speaker 1: lizard with you know, bat like wings and sharp teeth.

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Speaker 1: But then at the top of the tip of its

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Speaker 1: snout it has it has an extra tooth coming out

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Speaker 1: of it to give it sort of this beakish look.

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Speaker 1: And at the end of the tail it has a

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Speaker 1: sort of a diamond shaped flange. And I rose, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I saw, but like I said, I you know,

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Speaker 1: no one believed me, and I just wouldn't have believed me,

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Speaker 1: so I kind of kept it to myself for the

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Speaker 1: next twenty cemented years. If it was a pterodactyl, a dinosaur,

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Speaker 1: and what the heck is going on here? Well, that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what I said, I mean to be honest. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't like I was unfamiliar with. Again, I've been a

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Speaker 1: crypto fan for years and years. Lockness Monster loved it,

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Speaker 1: Mokellium Bimbe loved it. But those were always out in

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Speaker 1: the middle of you know, some exotic location. This not Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 1: And so that's really what a lot of my life

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Speaker 1: has been about, trying to find out how could this

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Speaker 1: things after these things have been around, and where are

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Speaker 1: they hiding, how are they living over the years. And

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Speaker 1: what I'm going to find is a lot of people

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Speaker 1: have seen pterodactyls, even here in the United States, as

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Speaker 1: far north as Oklahoma. Some people have seen larger ones

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Speaker 1: question becomes how are they still alive? And that's sort

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Speaker 1: of where I go back to what the books is about.

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Speaker 1: If any any model, any scientific model, has to be

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Speaker 1: able to make predictions right, and those predictions have to

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Speaker 1: be testable. Well, if if the Biblical model, regardless of

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Speaker 1: you're a Young Earth creationist or a guided evolutionist, or

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Speaker 1: or however you want to interpret those scriptures, the common

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Speaker 1: theme is there is an event that wiped out almost

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Speaker 1: all life on the planet, and that anything that survived

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Speaker 1: came through it. It wasn't sixty five million years ago.

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Speaker 1: It was much more recent than that. How recent is

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Speaker 1: up for debate, but that the dinosaurs and what we'd

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Speaker 1: call plis to seen animals and all these other things

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Speaker 1: existed much more recently than what we would commonly believe now. See,

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Speaker 1: I think the lockenest monster is a plesiosaur, one of

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Speaker 1: the spinned dinosaurs. Yeah, well that is that is definitely

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Speaker 1: one possibility. I'm actually fifty fifty on that one. Um.

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Speaker 1: But that's a different kettle of fish. Um. But specifically,

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Speaker 1: the prodiculted the marine animals could have survived very easily.

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Speaker 1: but when you have these vertebrates, again, some of them

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Speaker 1: would have adapted to life in a new environment, someone

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Speaker 1: who remained the same. But the fact is they would

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Speaker 1: been very very small and maybe even hunted because they

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Speaker 1: have stayed isolated. And then as humans moved into their populations,

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Speaker 1: they would have wiped them out because again they would

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Speaker 1: have seen very very strange and anything that seems weird

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Speaker 1: to us we like to destroy. That's just how humans

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Speaker 1: when you go back to the stories of the Night's Tales,

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Speaker 1: in fact, one of the things they started doing as

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Speaker 1: an artist and a love of art history, I noticed

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Speaker 1: that there was a definitive point where when we think

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Speaker 1: emerges in artwork. And because you go back to the Babylonians,

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Speaker 1: but around the fourteenth and fifteenth century, that flange tail

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Speaker 1: And what I found was there were records of a

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Speaker 1: it's clearly a gas. But what's interesting is what it

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Speaker 1: They believe it to be the skull of an ermine,

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Speaker 1: that time that the flange starts to merge in dragon artwork,

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Speaker 1: being relayed to an artist later, and many of these

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Speaker 1: but the tail and legs of a dragon. So when

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Speaker 1: we've discovered that many theropods or to the bipedal dinosaurs

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Speaker 1: like a velociraptor or a t rex may have had feathers.

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Speaker 1: In fact, some very had a form of proto feather

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Speaker 1: biblical story, and that would be an amazing story. Now

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Speaker 1: What have you discovered there. Well, the interesting thing is

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Speaker 1: people talk about, you know, UFOs in the Bible, and

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Speaker 1: the answer that is, well, yes and no. The main

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Speaker 1: assumption that people make about angelic beings, because it's a

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Speaker 1: have supernatural powers like Superman and can fly, they have wings,

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Speaker 1: they can teleport, they can do all these fantasy stuff

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Speaker 1: scriptures very specifically, yes, there seemed to be higher orders

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Speaker 1: of angels they can do that, although I would argue

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Speaker 1: most of those cases, the person who's talking seems to

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Speaker 1: be in a trance like state, right, So it's a

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Speaker 1: it's a vision that this is going on, So it

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Speaker 1: may not be a physical event that's describing all these

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Speaker 1: being shown things. But when we get a chance to

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Speaker 1: see angels in the natural form, like when Elijah see

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Speaker 1: eyes of Elishah, his compatriot. He describes seeing angels in chariots,

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Speaker 1: it talks about chariots. It does appear that angels, that

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Speaker 1: psychic entity, right, non corporeal, non materials in any form,

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't seem to be true. They seem to

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Speaker 1: just different. And it would make sense that since we

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Speaker 1: that they would do the same. A lot of UFO

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Speaker 1: saying seems to be or or you know, you have

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Speaker 1: your orbs, which seem to be just them an energy form, right,

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Speaker 1: these are these are basically to rip off star trek

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Speaker 1: beings of pure energy. So we would see them as orbs.

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Speaker 1: We would see them probably as more mathematical shapes than

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Speaker 1: And so it wouldn't be very strange to see a

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Speaker 1: large or a very powerful angel is a large orb,

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Speaker 1: and perhaps an individual angel is a single orb. But

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Speaker 1: perhaps when they have to interact with our reality, that

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Speaker 1: they would need a form of craft, they would be

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Speaker 1: bound by gravity. They just we just don't see them

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Speaker 1: idea that they would have an external form of locomotion

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Speaker 1: makes perfect sense, and it is consistent with what we

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Speaker 1: actually see in scripture. But more importantly, the question we

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Speaker 1: have to ask is if there are good and bad angels,

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Speaker 1: would we assume that God will allow his bad angels

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Speaker 1: to retain all of the weapons and to and say,

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Speaker 1: would he take those away? What military force allows their

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me if they actually needed to make

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Speaker 1: interact with our universe, because they are now operating without

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Speaker 1: the you know, the materials applied to them by God.

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Speaker 1: Where do you think you oppose it? Don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: Most UFOs, I'd even say, are probably black projects by

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Speaker 1: the government, man made objects that are just very very unique.

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Speaker 1: But you only need one that's extraterrestrial, right, But the

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Speaker 1: things that are extraterrestrial, I think, are you know they're

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Speaker 1: clearly extraterustrial thing that you do have non metallic or

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Speaker 1: non material objects that they're orbs that seem to do

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Speaker 1: fantastic things. Those are energy craft, and you do have

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Speaker 1: a physical craft that would carry again probably the fallen

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Speaker 1: angels that had to have their that had their or

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Speaker 1: their vehicles, who weapon retaken away, or even they're Nephiteam offspring,

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Speaker 1: then definitely, you know, if if any of those have

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Speaker 1: survived to the present day, they are physical creatures and

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Speaker 1: would need to have aircraft, and again their their parents

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Speaker 1: are smart enough to make them. Listen to more Coast

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