WEBVTT - CH3 Summer Lessons: Playing vs Practicing 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:08.080 It's the Son of a Butcher podcast. We come to 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:13.120 you every Wednesday. This week, I had a really really 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.520 interesting experience today. So I was up at the Floridian 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:19.599 doing some work with Brooks Koepka. We're flying up to 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.079 the live event in the morning and we're hitting balls, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:25.960 and one of the other instructors that I work alongside with, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.920 Matt Gallant, was working with a player who's like a 0:00:29.920 --> 0:00:32.479 lot of players, he doesn't have a tour to play on, 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:35.200 he doesn't have status. He's trying to get status. He's 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.200 playing in as many different tournaments as he can. There's 0:00:39.240 --> 0:00:41.720 a tour down here in South Florida called the Minor League, 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.360 which a lot of players play in one day two 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:48.000 day events. But he is signed up for European Q School. 0:00:48.560 --> 0:00:52.159 And he Matt had said to me, Hey, listen, you know, 0:00:52.200 --> 0:00:55.600 could could he talk to to this guy Boggle? Could 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:59.240 Boggle talk to you about Q School and about playing 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.400 in Q School and things like that? And so I'm 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.160 sitting there and I'm thinking, yeah, I mean I could 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:06.240 I could help him out and talk to him about it. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.200 But you know, you've got a five time major champion 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.240 and a former world number one, and the current PGA 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:15.880 champion standing right there. So I said, listen, why don't 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.520 you talk to talk to Brooks ask him some questions. 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:22.560 So the conversation that ensued, it's one of those things 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:25.520 that there's a running joke. I'm sure there's a joke 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:27.320 on the PGA Tour, but there's a running joke with 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:29.040 the players that I work with and a lot of 0:01:29.040 --> 0:01:32.480 the live guys, because that's the tour that I seem 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:34.840 to be spending the most time on. But there'll be 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.800 something that will happen. And we always say the same thing, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:41.160 where's Netflix? Right? This would be great content content for 0:01:41.200 --> 0:01:45.120 Full Swing, And today was just it was fascinating to 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:46.880 be a part of. And so you've got a player 0:01:46.880 --> 0:01:50.720 who played college golf who's trying to play professionally. He's 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.520 trying to get status somewhere. He's playing in mini tours, 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.320 he's playing as many different tournaments as he can, sometimes 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:01.600 one day, sometimes two day events, and then obviously Q School, 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:04.200 like a lot of players that are trying to play professionally, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.959 that's the route he's trying to go. So I think 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:13.359 he was just looking for some guidance as to how 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.840 to approach going to Q school. Obviously Brooks went to 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:20.280 Q School. He missed in the US, missed in Europe, 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.560 had to go to the Challenge Tour, and then off 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.480 the Challenge Tour, got to the European Tour, off the 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:28.240 European Tour, got to the PGA Tour, and the rest 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:32.520 is somewhat history. But I thought that having Brooks talk 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:37.320 to him could be, you know, very very important and 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:42.120 very eye opening, and I think it's always very interesting 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:49.680 to me. I think most golfers, the way they go 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.560 about trying to play the game of golf is the problem. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.680 It's yeah, I mean, everybody's technique. It's something if you've 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.480 listened to the podcast regularly, you hear me talk about 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:02.480 this a lot. But it's something that I'm going to 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:08.960 keep talking about everybody. Everyone, everybody playing on the men's, 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:13.560 on the women's, on the Champs DP World, Asia, PGA 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:18.400 Tour Live, doesn't matter what tour you're on. Everyone everyone 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:21.200 is trying to get better. Everyone is trying to improve 0:03:21.360 --> 0:03:26.600 their technique. Everyone's trying to have their swing get better. Technically, 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:29.600 they're trying to improve the positions, they're trying to improve 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.120 all of the things that all golfers are trying to 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.480 improve if you're a tour player, if you're an aspiring 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:41.800 tour player, college golfer, high school golfer, junior golfer, amateur golfer, 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.000 regular golfer. And you've heard me say this before, regular 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:49.080 golfers are the majority of people that play this sport. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.440 Everyone's trying to improve their golf swing, everyone's trying to 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.920 improve their technique, So that isn't necessarily going to be 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:03.280 a as big a differentiators. I think people think, and 0:04:03.360 --> 0:04:06.360 I certainly think that a lot of players that don't 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:11.080 have status that are trying to play competitively are trying 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:13.720 to get to the next level, and to the level 0:04:13.760 --> 0:04:17.919 that is the holy grail, the PGA Tour, play in Europe, 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:24.200 play in Asia, play on the LPGA. Historically, those were 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.159 the places that everybody wanted to play. Now that lives 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:33.240 come around, that's different, but historically everyone that was trying 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:36.440 to play that played college golf, the goal, if you 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.360 were going to try and continue to play professionally would 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:41.320 be to get to the PGA Tour. And I just 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.560 thought it was fascinating that a player that has no 0:04:43.600 --> 0:04:46.359 status was talking to someone that's five time major champion, 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:51.280 someone that's been number one in the world for a 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:56.400 pretty significant amount of time, been on Ryder Cups, been 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:00.880 on President's Cups, won the Varden Trophy, won the Nicholas Ward. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.880 I think it was very eye opening for this player 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:10.039 to hear Brooks's kind of take on competitive golf. And 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.440 it's funny. He talked to him for about a half 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.320 an hour. Brooks was hitting balls, he was on the range, 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:21.640 Boggle was hitting balls, and they were just kind of talking. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.280 And what Brooks was talking to him about on how 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.960 to prepare for Q school, how to prepare for tournaments, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.600 I know, was not even close to what I would 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.960 have envisioned this player thinking that Brooks was going to 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.560 talk about the things that he talked about, But in reality, 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:49.880 Brooks talked mainly about playing the game of golf, not practicing. 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:53.840 You know, Brooks and I both said to this player, listen, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:55.360 I think a lot of players that are trying to 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.839 play competitively, that are trying to get to the next level, 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:02.560 they're over practic, right. All they do is practice. All 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:05.640 they do is hit balls, and they're hitting a ton 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.159 of balls, and they're constantly working on their golf swing. 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.360 They're constantly working on their technique. And this young player 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.200 said he just played a one day event yesterday and 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.719 had a legit chance to win it, and said he 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:22.840 had really a really good chance to win it, didn't 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.920 win it, but had a legit chance to win it, 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.560 and he went into yesterday's one day event on the 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.320 minor league with not a ton of I guess historical 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.680 what you would think would be preparation. I think he'd 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.880 been doing some traveling. I think he'd has some other 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:43.200 stuff going on. He probably hadn't been putting in the 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:47.359 hours that he normally has, and he said that he 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:51.000 played so much better yesterday than he has when he's 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.080 practicing more and grinding more and putting in all of 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:58.320 these hours on the range and working on his technique. 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:02.719 And I think what he got out of Brooks' responses 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.839 to him were, well, yesterday you played good because you 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.479 went out and you played golf as opposed to going 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.360 and playing golf swing. And I think a lot of golfers, 0:07:13.680 --> 0:07:18.840 both recreational golfers but also competitive golfers, are playing golf 0:07:18.880 --> 0:07:21.160 swing on the golf course. They're not playing golf. They're 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.960 not playing the game of golf. I've said this many times. 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:27.440 Golf is a game. That's why they give you a 0:07:27.480 --> 0:07:29.800 scorecard and they tell you what the object of the 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.960 game is. And the object of the game is to 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.320 play eighteen holes of golf in the lowest amount of 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.680 shots possible. There's par fives, there's par four's, there are 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:43.480 par threes. So the way golf is designed is you 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.880 know kind of the object of the game before you play. 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:51.040 That's why you get a scorecard. There's a certain amount 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:52.920 of par four's, there's a certain amount of par five's, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.960 there's a certain amount of par threes. There's the distance 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.280 of the course you're playing. And then based off of 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.400 how many par threes and how many par five on 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:05.239 the course, there is a par seventy two, seventy one, seventy, 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.880 whatever that number is. So as golfers, when we go 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.000 play golf, we know what the object of the game 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.560 already is, right, we know that the object of the 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:18.480 game is to have the least amount of strokes over 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.840 the course of whether it's seventy two, seventy one or 0:08:21.880 --> 0:08:26.040 seventy And my father always has said this phrase, it's 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.760 always one that's stuck with me. There's no place on 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:33.960 the scorecard for style. There's no real place on the 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:37.160 scorecard in the box where you put your score. You 0:08:37.200 --> 0:08:40.000 can other places. You can write down how many fairways 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:42.079 you hit, how many greens you hit, how many puts 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.960 you had. You can write down other things. But if 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.080 you think about the way a scorecard is designed, it's 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:52.760 very very small and there are very very small boxes 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:57.120 for which you can basically just put a number in. 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:01.200 That's it. There's no place for you to write how 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:04.520 you made the par, how you made the birdie, how 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:07.040 you made the bogee, how you made a double bogie. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.000 There's no place for description, right. The only place, the 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:13.440 only space there really is on a score card is 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:17.120 to put a score down, to put a number. And 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:20.120 there are a million different ways to make a par, 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.959 there are a million different ways to make a boge, 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:26.520 so many different ways to make doubles and triples and 0:09:26.600 --> 0:09:29.960 quads and all of the things. But the object of 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.720 the game is to have the lowest amount of strokes. 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.120 And so I think what Brooks was trying to talk 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.840 to this player about is was about playing golf. And 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.920 he used a great example. He said last week at Greenbrier, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.480 the first round, I think bookshot four under. He played 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:50.280 terrible the first five holes, and Brooks was recounting the 0:09:50.320 --> 0:09:54.320 story to this young aspiring professional golfer, and he said, 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.920 you know, the first five holes, I played terrible, and 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.199 I realized and he said, hal, you know, I got 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.160 through halfway through the front nine and I said to 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.319 my caddie, ricky elled. He said, man, I'm just firing 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.640 at every pin and it's just getting me in trouble. 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:13.360 And the look on this kid's face was one of 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.160 kind of bewilderness, and he said, you know what I 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.320 did for the rest of the round. So for the 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:22.000 next thirteen holes is I didn't really shoot at a 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.840 lot of flags. I played a little bit more conservatively 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.480 and I ended up shooting four under. And I started 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:34.439 playing better when I started being less aggressive. I think 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:40.679 there's a big difference between being reckless and there's a 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:44.160 difference between being aggressive and what I always like to say, 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:49.199 and I've said this before on the pod, conservatively aggressive, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:57.319 make committed swings to conservative targets, and be aggressive to 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:01.920 conservative targets. There are going to be times where you 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:08.360 can be really really aggressive to aggressive targets. Most of 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:11.439 the time, as Brooks said, that's going to be with 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.400 short irons. And one of the things that I see 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:18.280 a lot of players doing, regardless of their handicap level, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.320 is they're basically just firing at all the flags. And 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:27.079 Brooks said, you know, definitely, probably more so in the majors. 0:11:27.679 --> 0:11:30.320 But if you think about the way that someone like 0:11:30.400 --> 0:11:34.120 Brooks plays the majors, he plays them in a very 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:38.200 very conservative fashion. And what he's trying to do is 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:43.440 play major championships and not make any double bogies, and 0:11:44.160 --> 0:11:49.719 he doesn't want to trade bogies for birdies. And what 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:52.080 he was saying today to this player is he said, listen, 0:11:52.520 --> 0:11:55.479 you know, rather than try and be really really aggressive 0:11:55.559 --> 0:12:00.760 and bring bogie into play, I'm happy to be maybe 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:03.959 a little bit less aggressive. You know, on tour, if 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.520 you play at the highest level, they're tucking pins four 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.360 paces on from the front, four paces on from the back, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:15.120 and they're putting them four paces on from the left 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.880 to the right. So you'll see a lot of yardages 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:20.640 that are four from the front and four from the left, 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:24.080 you know, five from the front, five from the right, 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:28.120 all the way back, and so they tuck the pins. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.560 They don't tuck them every single round, but they do 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.640 talk you know, a lot of pins in the course 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.880 of eighteen holes. And what Brooks was saying is he 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:42.520 is far more conservative then I think that this player 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.400 could ever envision that he was. And Brooks talked a 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.959 lot about staying away from the yardages that he's bad 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:53.800 at with his irons, right. He was saying that, you know, 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:57.400 rather than push it to a yardage that he doesn't like, 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:01.280 that he's kind of in between clubs, he'd rather take one, 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:03.440 maybe two if he gets out of position, or if 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.200 it's part five, He's going to lay back to a 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:09.120 yardage that he has a tremendous amount of confidence in. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.760 And I could see this player's face just, you know, 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:15.520 I think he was surprised at listening to one of 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:19.000 the best players in the world, a current major champion 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:23.160 in twenty twenty three, just listening to his approach. And 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.360 Brooks was saying, you know, have you been to Q 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:28.920 school before? And he and this player said yeah, you know, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:32.439 I never got out of you know, pre qualifying. And 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:34.920 Brooks was like, well, why is that? You know, what, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.360 what do you feel like is holding you back? And 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:39.200 he's like, well, you know, I feel like sometimes you know, 0:13:39.280 --> 0:13:44.400 I press I try and be a little bit more 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.360 aggressive than I need to. And Brooks was saying, listen, 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.920 I think everybody thinks that they need to swing better, 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:53.559 but it sounds like you just need to maybe lower 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.480 your expectations and manage your expectations. And one of the 0:13:56.520 --> 0:13:58.480 examples that Brooks gave, he said, listen, if you're in 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.640 a major and you've got four rounds, get seventy two holes, 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:08.600 there's no need to from the jump to just be 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:12.160 super super aggressive. And I thought it was really cool 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.640 that Brooks talked about kind of playing his way into 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.000 the round, you know, maybe not being super super aggressive. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:22.640 And he was saying at Greenbrier last week at the 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:25.760 Live tournament, first five holes, Brooks said, he's just firing 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:27.440 at every flag, and you know, I think he was 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.680 over par and then got it back to four under, 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:33.480 but he was saying, it was when I quit being 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.840 super super aggressive that, you know, and took some more 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.320 conservative targets and said, okay, listen, let me dump this 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:45.440 twenty feet fifteen feet, Maybe not go at this flag 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:47.880 if I push it or if I pull it, Maybe 0:14:47.920 --> 0:14:50.680 I get lucky and push one or pull one to 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.560 four or five feet because I wasn't aiming necessarily at 0:14:54.600 --> 0:14:58.400 the hole, and I think that is something that is 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:02.320 really really important for everyone to kind of take to 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:05.800 their own game. Play your way into the round. Right, 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.800 look at where the par fives are, right. Par fives 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.800 are an opportunity for all golfers to pick up strokes. Obviously, 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:18.280 at the tour level, you're trying I think almost every year, 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:22.160 I think I think this is a generalization, but I 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.920 think this is probably true. I think most players, I 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.960 mean I looked at this couple of times in the past, 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.480 the majority of the players. I think almost every player 0:15:31.560 --> 0:15:34.400 is under par on the par fives for the year. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.320 So tour players are looking to take advantage of par 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.720 fives and use that to get under par. I think 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:44.680 for the rest of us, we should be looking at 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.680 par fives where tour players, you know, regardless of which 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:51.920 tour they're playing on, are looking at making birdie, they're 0:15:51.960 --> 0:15:54.160 looking at making maybe an eagle if they can get 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.240 there into but they're definitely looking to pick up strokes 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.480 on the par fives. I think that for everyone else 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.920 it's playing and for everyone that's listening, if we can 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.000 just not lose shots on par fives, right, you know, 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:10.920 par all the par fives, if you're a fifteen handicapper, 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:12.640 if you're trying to break eighty for the first time, 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:14.800 if you're trying to break ninety for the first time, 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:16.760 if you're trying to break a hundred for the first time, 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:20.720 if you could try and use the par fives as 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.000 a as a part of your round to where you're 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:28.680 not losing strokes, because those are the opportunities to where 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.480 you don't have to go for the green. So regardless 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:34.280 of your handicap level, regardless of how far the par 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:38.120 five is, you can try and say, Okay, I'm just 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.440 going to three shot this. I'm going to try and 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:44.120 dump this anywhere on this green and two putt and 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.960 get out of here with parf right and having mat 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.480 mantra next time you go out, rather than say Okay, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:53.920 I'm going to go out, I'm going to try and 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.160 birdy all the par fives. How about just going out 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.120 and saying, Okay, I'm going to try and not lose 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:03.479 strokes on the holes that give me the best opportunity 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:08.480 to gain strokes. Because that's a very very different mindset 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.600 in thinking right in thinking about how you should be 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.000 approaching playing golf. So if you can think in terms, 0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.080 I'm going to use the par fives as an opportunity 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:24.240 to not lose strokes because obviously par four's are more difficult, 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.600 par threes are more difficult. It's very difficult to play 0:17:27.600 --> 0:17:30.040 the par threes and under par. If you're in a 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.840 four round tournament, if you're in a three round tournament, 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:35.879 two round one day, or if you can play the 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.600 par threes and even you're doing pretty good and you 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:43.359 are making up an enormous amount against the field. 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By nature, I think most players always 0:19:15.200 --> 0:19:18.200 are looking at where the flag is and then they 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:21.639 kind of get suckered into firing at all the pins. 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.960 And Brooks was saying that there are enormous amount of 0:19:25.000 --> 0:19:27.639 pins that he doesn't even mess with, that he doesn't 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.560 even fire at. And I think that you know, he 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:32.840 said to this player, I'm just not good enough to 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:34.919 fire at all the pins. And this is a this 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:39.280 is the reigning PGA champion. This is a player that 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.840 has five major championships, a player that has been number 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:46.440 one in the world. And I think that watching the interaction, 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.200 I think most golfers vastly overestimate how good they are. 0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:56.360 They vastly overestimate their talent level. And because they overestimate 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:59.000 their talent level, because they overestimate how far they hit 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:02.119 the golf ball, because they overestimate how straight they hit 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.119 the golf ball, they just take an approach to playing 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:10.879 golf that is very, very difficult to manage. It's very 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.760 difficult to recover from the bad shots. And Brooks was saying, listen, 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:16.600 double bogies and majors are killers because you've got to 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.960 find two other birdies to make up for that, and 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:24.719 in major championships that's very, very difficult to do because 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.119 of how difficult the golf course is. But if you're 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.200 listening and you're a fifteen a twenty handicapper, every time 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.080 you go out relative to your talent level, relative to 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:38.879 how difficult the golf course is, let's be honest, not everybody, 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.960 the majority of golfers are not playing difficult golf courses 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.120 all the time. They're not playing golf courses that are 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:52.040 seventy four hundred yards with super narrow fairways and US 0:20:52.119 --> 0:20:56.040 Open tile roff greens running twelve to thirteen to fourteen. 0:20:56.080 --> 0:21:00.520 The rough around the greens really really difficult, runoff areas 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:03.880 deep deep bunkers, to where if you hit it offline 0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:07.800 at all, it's a penalty. The majority of people play 0:21:07.840 --> 0:21:14.679 golf courses that aren't tournament standard golf courses. So I 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.440 think it's a generalization, but I think it's a it's 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.399 an accurate one. And what Brooks was trying to impress 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:24.400 upon this player is, hey, listen, just be more conservative, 0:21:25.119 --> 0:21:28.840 don't necessarily fire at all the flags, try and take 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.720 care of the par fives when you can, and if 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.359 you get out of position, get back into position, try 0:21:35.359 --> 0:21:39.240 and make a par. And bogies are fine. And I 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:43.200 think Brooks comes from golf from a major championship mindset 0:21:43.280 --> 0:21:45.800 in that, hey, a lot of pars, a lot of 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:50.960 bogies are okay, and most of us regular average golfers, 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.760 and I'm a regular average golfer and that's just my 0:21:54.800 --> 0:21:58.359 talent level. You're just trying to make as many pars 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.359 and as many bogies as you can if you go 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:02.840 out and you make a bunch of pars and you 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:07.200 make some bogies, you're you're doing a good job keeping 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.480 those double bogies. It's something that I will keep pounding 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.560 away on the pod. I think it's a platform that 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:22.000 you know, I'm lucky to have and pars bogies, Pars bogies, 0:22:22.080 --> 0:22:24.359 you're going to hit some get an opportunity to make 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:27.720 your birdie if you make it good. But make more pars, 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:32.760 make more bogies, and your scores will improve. I asked 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:35.640 Brooks on because I figured this kid was gonna ask him. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.280 I was like, you know, what are you thinking about 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.560 when you're playing, like at the at beth Pay I 0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.240 mean at a o kill all right, So he won 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.280 the PGA this year at o'khill. I said, you know, 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:50.560 what are you thinking on Sunday? And Brooks said nothing, really, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:52.159 he said, I was just thinking about the shot that 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.000 I was playing. So if you remember, Brooks had a 0:22:56.080 --> 0:23:00.879 lengthy pot for par on a par five, I think 0:23:00.880 --> 0:23:06.040 it was thirteen definitely ten feet maybe even twelve feet 0:23:06.160 --> 0:23:09.040 straight down the hill and he's got a par five 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:12.400 part four. The next hole is a drivable par four, 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:16.040 which he drove, which is obviously a birdy opportunity, and 0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.920 then you're gonna play a part three and then three 0:23:18.960 --> 0:23:20.800 par fours and you're just gonna hang on. So this 0:23:20.880 --> 0:23:24.520 is the last of the par fives. He's right in 0:23:24.560 --> 0:23:26.879 the middle of the back nine on Sunday in a 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:30.520 major championship and I said, you know, over that pot, 0:23:30.600 --> 0:23:32.159 what were you thinking? And he was like, I was 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:34.040 thinking about all of the things that I needed to 0:23:34.080 --> 0:23:37.520 do to make that pot. I said, you weren't thinking 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:40.800 about anything else about the situation you were in the 0:23:40.840 --> 0:23:45.359 time of the round, what the score was, where the 0:23:45.359 --> 0:23:48.560 competition was, what the holes you had coming ahead, what 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.280 you'd done in the past, And Book said, I wasn't 0:23:50.320 --> 0:23:52.679