WEBVTT - Ridicule w/ Diane Neal 0:00:00.840 --> 0:00:04.680 Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:07.480 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.320 vicious felonies. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.920 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:27.840 Done done. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:31.200 Hi, Hi, Hi, welcome to That's Messed Up. 0:00:31.480 --> 0:00:35.080 I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger, 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.200 and we're coming. I don't know why I always try 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:39.960 to say that we're not coming to you live or 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.239 from even the same city, and do live. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:42.879 From a studio. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.919 Yeah, like we're not at all, But we talked SVU 0:00:47.159 --> 0:00:51.320 Crime Special Guests. We really have a fun time up top. Yes, 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:53.840 we do catch up and we do have announcements. We 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:57.000 are on tour in the fall. I'm on tour in 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.360 the fall. We're gonna be at two hundred episodes soon. 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:03.560 So a lot going on here, a lot happening. 0:01:04.280 --> 0:01:07.120 Yes, if you haven't yet, get to Thats Messed Up 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.840 Live dot com. We're coming to a bunch of cities 0:01:09.920 --> 0:01:12.319 Denver and this will be our only touring for this year. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:13.640 A few of you have asked, like, oh, are you 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:16.160 coming to the East Coast. I think it's looking like 0:01:16.200 --> 0:01:19.200 it's probably our only touring for this fall. But you know, 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:21.160 let us know where you want us to come next year, 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.480 and we'll do what we can. But we're going to 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:27.360 be Denver, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, La, Phoenix. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.440 Did I miss one? But yeah, they're excited. 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:32.920 Yeah, I can't wait to be back at that hotel 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:33.840 pool in Phoenix. 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:37.920 Baby. Oh yeah, Oh my god. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.280 It came up yesterday people people were talking about Florida 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.560 and they they said to Orlando was the worst. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.000 And I went, I love Orlando, and everyone stared at me. 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:49.400 They're like why. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.480 I'm like, I don't know. The pool was so big, 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.480 and everyone just laughed at me. But I just hadn't 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:56.400 been in a pool that big. I've just been living 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.000 in these cities. You loved the pool. 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:01.520 Also, we lived right across the we we say to 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.080 a hotel that was right across from like a big 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:04.920 plaza that had like a fun place to eat that 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.920 we liked. We got high, we got food, we shouldered, 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:09.919 danced in our chairs. I mean, it was a great time. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.040 But Lisa was truly plotting her move to Orlando at 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.880 one point, and I was like, maybe we check out 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:19.519 a five mile radius of the rest of the city. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:19.920 You know. 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:25.959 Yeah, it's not all Mickey and Minnie, I guess, but yeah. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.639 I do want to take my kids to Florida soon 0:02:27.720 --> 0:02:31.080 to like where my like to to where I grew up, 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.959 going to the beach and stuff like Sarasota. 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:36.240 But I'm shocked down down yet. That's why I know. 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.760 Well, it's just been pandemic and everything, and then like 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.520 flying with them has been such a pain in the ass. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.880 But I think, like we're flying tomorrow and I think 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:46.000 I think I'm. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:46.600 Knock on wood. 0:02:46.639 --> 0:02:49.120 I'll update you at our next intro, but I think 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:51.519 that we might be hitting like the sweet spot where 0:02:51.560 --> 0:02:54.639 like Oscar will keep his headphones on, I'll drug him 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.640 with a little bit of melowtonin I think he'll sleep 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.560 a little bit. I think it's going to be like 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.920 an okay, our first like not like white knuckling travel 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:04.200 experience with the kids. 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.320 I would knock on would before you start making Oh? 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:09.120 I did like that? Okay, I did. 0:03:09.160 --> 0:03:11.600 But Rosie's like great on the plane. She just watches 0:03:11.639 --> 0:03:13.600 TV the whole time. And if Oscar would just keep 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:16.280 the headphones on, he would too. And I think three 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.240 is usually when they keep the headphones on. And I've 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.919 been really talking up his headphones, going, you're gonna wear 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:21.639 your cat has they. 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:23.440 Have fun shape? I was about to stay there. Yeah, 0:03:23.440 --> 0:03:25.400 they've got little cat ears like Gabby. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:29.480 You know he loves them, he loves them, but. 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.520 Yeah, I mean what can I do? Also, he's so 0:03:34.680 --> 0:03:35.400 snack based. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:35.680 Now. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.760 Like the reason I'm also saying this is because I'm 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.520 really scared. I'm flying this week as well, and people 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.840 have been getting stuck everywhere, like I don't think they've 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.360 like I don't think they've come back from that inner 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:52.360 whatever glitch happened and the hurricanes. 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:52.840 I don't know. 0:03:52.880 --> 0:03:58.440 It just seems like, yeah, I'm like nervous. Honestly, where 0:03:58.440 --> 0:03:59.160 are you going this week? 0:03:59.200 --> 0:03:59.920 Again? I forgot? 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.760 Oh, I'm surprising at my father, well both my parents. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.680 It's my dad's been working at the community pool. It's 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.240 thirty years this summer, and I've really wanted to like 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.320 plan a party and do something, but it's just I couldn't. 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:16.560 So I'm flying in and I like I'm staying at 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:17.880 a hotel, Like I don't want them to know at 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:20.320 all because I'm gonna go get balloons and things and 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:23.280 oh you're so sweet and get it together, and then 0:04:23.320 --> 0:04:24.960 of course my parents are gonna be pissed at me 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:26.880 because I didn't give them heads up so they couldn't 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:28.840 buy ingredients of foods that they would want to cook 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:29.080 for me. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:32.599 That'll be the only hickes. I'm so happy and then 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:34.080 so insulted open. 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:36.200 They're just gonna be like, we have to go buy 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.240 her baloney, Like it's gonna. 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:42.159 Be your dad runs out of his retirement party, like 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:43.800 heading to the boloney shop. 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.000 But I've never bought anyone. 0:04:45.040 --> 0:04:46.960 I don't think like the big letters, So just buy 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:50.360 like the big numbers. Let's say thirty maybe, like I'm 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:51.920 sure they'll have summer themed balloons. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.599 I'll arrive at their house Friday night. 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.960 We'll go to the pool Saturday, and then I leave 0:04:57.000 --> 0:04:57.560 Sunday night. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:04:59.200 You know, it's just a quick little surprise. 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.200 We're having a little retirement party for my mom actually 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:03.279 this coming weekend. 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:05.839 Oh yeah, it's happy. 0:05:06.040 --> 0:05:08.560 Well, and I haven't been back since you know, Manya passed, 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.000 And yeah, I'll be where. 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.280 Your parents will be very happy though to be able 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.120 to snuggle you and say no. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:17.640 They're just like obsessed with me. 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.040 It's like so embarrassing for them, you know, I mistreat 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.240 them so much and they just want more and more. 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.400 No, but you look, a couple snaps here and there, 0:05:26.440 --> 0:05:28.760 but then you fly in for big events, you surprise 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:30.760 for birthdays, you always you know you. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:32.360 I think you need to give yourself a little bit 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:32.839 more credit. 0:05:33.520 --> 0:05:36.320 Maybe I'll trick them and send flowers that arrive Friday 0:05:36.360 --> 0:05:37.479 so they don't think I'm coming. 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.360 Yeah, congrats on your retirement. 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:44.159 Enjoy then whatever he is not retiring, we hope he 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:45.360 won't go back next summer. 0:05:45.839 --> 0:05:50.919 It's a nice anniversary of work. He shouldn't be working. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:55.719 He's eighty six, psychotic, he's even there, I know, But 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:56.599 Lake isn't there. 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.800 He's right after. He's at the pool so early, he's 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.360 all day. He's going to bed at nine pm. Like 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.760 it's too much. But I don't know. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:09.080 Like my mom's retired semi like, I mean, she's still 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.440 working on a couple of projects. But I think once 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.320 your parents just start watching like Netflix all day or whatever, 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.080 it makes him age faster. It's like to be doing 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:20.200 something I think is good. I don't want him to 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.080 be endangering anyone at the pool. And you know he's 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.400 not wearing sunblock. You know what, I mean, yeah, I 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:27.120 don't want him to get skin cancer. I mean, I 0:06:27.120 --> 0:06:29.000 know there's a lot of reasons you should stop, but 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.479 like to have a purpose and something that keeps you going. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:32.919 I feel like a lot of people. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.880 And I keep some young because you know, he has 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:36.320 a few lifeguard friends. 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:38.000 Yeah, so that's sweet. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.159 Actually, one of the lifeguards was texting me being like, 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:41.640 so are we doing the party? 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.360 I go, honey, I was in a movie. I don't 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:47.400 have time. I don't have time if I can't. But 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:48.800 I don't know. 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.200 So we hope he doesn't go back next summer, but 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.760 if he does, we'll support him. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:56.400 But I think he I think it's still little too much. 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:56.720 I do. 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.440 I really, yeah, he doesn't. You know, people don't want 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.320 to admit. I mean, he won't admit. He can't hear 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:05.320 the lengths we have to go to have him hear something. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:07.719 Is there a way to like cut. 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:08.440 Back his hours. 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.160 Maybe he's just going a couple they've tried to fire 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:12.120 him for decades. 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:17.800 They don't want him there. I think technology does the job. 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:18.320 He does. 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:22.320 Like they don't want him there, he refuses to leave. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.480 This is so funny. This is like a movie, only 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:27.800 he also steals like, I understand why they don't want 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:28.200 him there. 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.560 I have Skokie Park District hats, t shirts, sweatshirts, bathing suits. 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:37.240 He takes from the lifeguards, like he's been stealing the 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:39.880 free pool passes. We've been sneaking into the pool my 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:44.360 whole life. Like, of course, God, he's just a menace. 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:47.440 He's a menace. But yeah, so that's what I'm doing. 0:07:47.520 --> 0:07:49.320 And then what are you guys doing for your mom's 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.600 retirement party? Is anyone coming up from Florida? 0:07:52.400 --> 0:07:52.679 No? 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.560 No, it's like it's not huge like that. I mean, 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.400 I think it's gonna be. It's like our family. It's 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.320 like twenty five people. It's like our family, and then 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:04.760 a few of her friends that live in the area 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:06.880 and her sister who lives in New York City, but 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.920 not like what are her requests? Like what food and drinks? 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:12.720 Does she I don't even mind knows that we're doing it. 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.440 To be honest, my mom would just I know, like. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:18.200 What is she like? Like, what kind of party? O? Wine? 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:20.280 My mom likes wine? Okay, so my mom likes wine. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.760 There has to be wine flowing. Then there's a there's 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:27.000 a place in our town in New Canaan that makes 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.920 like baskets and rcutery plates and stuff like that, or 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.200 like makes pasta salads. It's like that's the whole place. 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:36.920 It's all pre made stuff. It's called garlic an herb, 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.760 but garlic is not spelled like garlic. It's spelled g 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:42.480 A r E l I c K. So we always 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:44.920 are like I don't know, so she like. So the 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:47.559 fact that we're catering it from there is like that's dream. 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:50.480 That's like my mom's number one. Like whenever she's like, oh, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.720 you're we're gonna have a little party and I'm getting 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.120 garlic an herb, like she like loves it that place, 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.800 so that'll be good. And then we'll just get some 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.800 hydrangeas or sunflowers, like the flower or she likes and 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.600 call it a day. She's very like, I don't want 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:05.600 anyone abandoned, but she she does. You know, I think 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.160 she appreciates it, but she didn't want it to be 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.120 like she didn't want it to be her co worker. 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:11.679 She didn't want it to be like the nurses and 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.600 the doctors. I think they already did something for her, 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:14.960 and so I think she just wanted this to be 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:16.720 like a little family thing. 0:09:17.080 --> 0:09:19.959 So yeah, well we couldn't throw a retirement party from 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.679 my mom because she quit in a rage and never 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:23.520 went back to work. 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.280 So a wait, are you at liberty to share this 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.160 story that made her rage out? 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:30.480 I honestly don't remember. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:35.440 It's been a while, you know, she's it's been like 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:36.200 a decade. 0:09:36.200 --> 0:09:39.719 Maybe I'm gonna, I'll ask her. I'm gonna. But that's 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.240 where I get my rap my issues from. Is her. 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:45.240 How funny if you had asked me that, I would 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:46.679 have thought it was your dad. Not that I've ever 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.800 seen your dad rage out or anything, but like, your 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:49.880 mom seems so. 0:09:49.880 --> 0:09:50.400 Calm to me. 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:52.920 Yeah, but so am I normally you know, yeah, some 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:55.600 people from a distance, they're like oh, and then I 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:58.400 just fly off the handle and then that was her 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.920 at work? Should come home rape, I would remember and 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.360 be like this bitch. I mean, my mom would get 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:05.320 up at meetings and like yell and leave, like she 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:08.480 stopped going to the Christmas parties like she does have there. 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:13.040 We have similar vibes in terms of that. Wait, I 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:13.840 love that, and I. 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:14.520 Didn't know that. 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:17.000 It's like like this is me, Like I've met your 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:20.000 mom a couple of times obviously I'm a guary only 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.320 be sweet and quiet with me or whatever. But even 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:24.720 on the phone with you, she's always like like the 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:27.800 tone of voices like, OHI Liza, Like it's always like 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.160 she's being so nice and gentle. So I never like 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:33.120 think of her as a rager, but I kind of 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:33.640 like that. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.320 Justin just yeah, she just got mad at everyone left 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.960 and every went back. No two weeks cashed out, like 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:42.120 because she works past retirement age like your mom too, 0:10:42.200 --> 0:10:45.880 you know, yeah, and so it was already fine, she 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.200 was gonna get social Security, so it was like but 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.920 there was no hoopla. She just one day was like 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.079 I'm never going back, and that was that. But I'll 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.840 try to find out what the fight was. Yeah, I 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:58.680 would love to know. I would love to know what 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:02.280 this fucking bitch at work did. Well, this bitch she 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:05.959 was also she was having an affair with the boss, 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.120 So she was fucking the boss. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.800 Oh h m okay, well that adds another layer. 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:15.400 Yeah, so like that's kind of tough. 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:17.480 You can't really oh yeah, because her husband was like 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:20.800 sick and so she was cheating on him with the 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.880 boss something like that. But it's also like what happened 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:27.400 to all companies and what's happening to our business and 0:11:27.480 --> 0:11:29.400 all of that where it's like it used to be 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.280 a proper fucking business with cool Christmas parties and nice 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.880 gifts and like dinner, and then it became like less, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:38.200 and then a conglomerate and more companies bought it, and 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.240 then it's just like how do we cut caught? You know, 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:44.520 it's like, yeah, why lost going out of business? Yeah, 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:48.319 you know, the ninety I'm glad we got to experience 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.000 the nineties, and I'm sure it was bad for lots 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.520 of different people, but overall as a culture, there was 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.480 some some thing about Rodney King is like, you know, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.400 it wasn't great. It wasn't great for everybody right now, 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:04.360 but but there was just like lack of inner I 0:12:04.360 --> 0:12:06.800 think it's like we know too much or something. 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:07.320 I don't know. 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:10.760 It just was a simpler time where it wasn't all 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.880 about conglomerates and monopoly and maybe the laws like who 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.400 started doing all the laws where companies could do whatever 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.480 they wanted and controlled us? Because that Clinton is that Bush? 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.840 Is that eighties? Is that Reagan? Or was probably Reagan? 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.400 I don't know, I don't know a great question. Capitalist. 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.760 I just want to marry a history professor and then 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:31.920 I don't have to know anything. I will just have 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:35.640 like someone to tell me everything. Yeah, but I have 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:37.520 to start going to like talks. 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.679 That's what. There's a lot of colleges here. I can 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:45.080 start going to talks. Ninety second stree why JCC, there's 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:47.800 always talks. Yeah. I start going to talks and meet 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:56.240 a history buff. I love a talk. Oh yeah, wait. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.320 Have I told my famous Thanksgiving story? But I wasn't 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.280 there like with my family. So it was like one 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:03.280 of the first Thanksgivings. 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:05.679 I didn't come home and my sister was hosting everyone's 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.240 coming and I hate my cousin Laura, and like most 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.280 people do that meet her. So she brings a date 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.760 to this Thanksgiving. And this was years this is so 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:18.959 so so long ago. So my brother in law, his 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.840 dad starts flipping out. He sees this man and is 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.480 like hyper like, oh my god, oh, oh my god, 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.280 and so like runs down to the base and me 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:27.760 he goes, I can't sit next to this man. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:31.640 And they're like, who's this man? And so basically Elan's. 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:32.960 Dad was like, oh, I went to a talk some 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:37.280 Jewish speaker at Northwestern and there was a man just 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:40.320 interrupting and screaming and trying to take control. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:41.280 And it was this man. 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.400 So it was like this man that like terrorized this 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.840 speaker and ruined this big talk that you know, my 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:51.360 Michael's trying to enjoy. So so they're like, we'll sit 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.320 you at the other end. It'll be okay. So we 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:55.600 sit everyone. So this man is sitting next to my 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.679 father and with my brother and whatever, and the first 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.120 thing he brings up at Thanksgiving dinner is do you 0:14:01.160 --> 0:14:03.800 think the Holocaust was good or bad for the Jews? 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:10.560 Yeah? So yeah. So then my brother goes like bad, 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:11.640 you know, like what is it? 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.280 So then this guy goes, no, it's actually good because 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.200 in the Bible it says Jews should suffer in life. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.160 It's about suffering to get on the other side, and 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.520 starts like being an advocate for the Holocaust in this 0:14:21.560 --> 0:14:25.720 weird way. My brother in law's dad started to scream, 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:29.160 and my dad obviously got really upset as well, and 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:31.640 so then it became like full blown chaos. 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:33.480 And I was like, if I was there, I would. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:34.800 Have shut that down so fast, like no one would 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.120 like I would have flipped the fuck out. And then 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.440 I was like, I will never miss the Thanksgiving again. 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.200 I will make sure no one is allowed. And this 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.200 is like a class I mean, I feel bad that 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.920 I said her name, but it's like a classic kind 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.320 of situation where like all and her family, they're like, 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.480 so there's such Trumpers, They're so again, they're so racist, 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:56.400 they're so against social services, and yet they all live 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:57.280 in government housing. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:01.480 Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, wait, and this 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.960 was this guy was your cousin that you hates date 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:04.920 like a date? 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.680 Yeah, she just because she goes to all these groups, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.080 like she would always like drop off her kid. Like 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:11.640 I played with her son all the time, so she 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.080 would drop off her son and go to like Kabbala 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:15.400 groups and hippie thing like. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.520 She was just kind of you know, she pick up 0:15:18.520 --> 0:15:20.040 this fucking winter Jesus. 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.120 Well no, because I remember my dad's like eighty something birthday. 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.560 She came up to the party, was like so fun. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:28.560 It was at this restaurant and then she comes up 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.840 to me and goes, I think Essenela is being too 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:34.840 mean to Trump and like started arguing with me, and 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.360 then I kept it together the whole party and then 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.520 I had to be pulled away from her. I was 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.920 just like, you fucking bitch, why are you bringing shit? 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.840 Ut? Like I just I hate her so much. 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.320 She's actually not allowed in any of our homes anymore, 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.840 and my mom doesn't speak to her, like we really 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:50.720 don't like her. Yeah, and she's the one that told 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.200 my sister publicly online once like I wish my cause 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:58.400 there was a bombing situation and my dad's brother jumped 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:00.920 on my brother and like saved him my father. So 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:05.000 there was like some sort of military situation and his 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:06.120 brother saved my father. 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:07.920 Like what am I the brothers? 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:12.000 And so my cousin wrote something like, yeah, if it 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.640 wasn't for my dad, you wouldn't even be here, Like 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.120 maybe if my dad didn't save your dad, I wouldn't 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.440 have to deal with you something crazy. She's and their 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.920 family were gonna leave us in the Soviet Union too, 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:26.400 Like they're bad people. But I feel bad her son. 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:28.440 I feel bad for her son. He's you know, like 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:32.320 he's he's made, he's made a life for himself. But yeah, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:34.200 has he been able to escape the crazy? 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.160 No? No, he has to go to dinner with him 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:38.040 once a week, you know. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:42.040 But but he's a good son, but he's also has 0:16:42.040 --> 0:16:46.920 some freedom. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god, 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.440 Well I can't believe I went into this big thing. 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:54.600 But yeah, she's just she's not for us. But my 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.880 sister and I start speaking to her so long ago, 0:16:57.520 --> 0:16:59.720 and then my mom recently did, but she won't tell 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.920 me what she said. But I guess my cousin said 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.120 something that. Finally my mom was like, I'm done. That's 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.440 your fucking niece. I'm done. She's not allowed in here. 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.639 So wow, but your mom won't tell you. Do you 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:13.439 think it's about you? 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.120 Oh? I don't know. I don't you know. She's said 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:19.760 horrible things to all of us, to our faces. Yeah, yeah, 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:21.040 yeah it would have. 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:24.560 Like she said like Lisa's not funny or something like that, like, 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:25.920 and your mom was like, that's it. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:27.800 You know, nobody talked about my Lisa. 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:30.480 No, it has to be worse than I wish my 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.760 dad didn't save you. 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:34.640 Yeah, dad, so you wouldn't be here. Yeah, because that's 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:38.159 pretty fucked. Yeah, it has to be worse. Oh, but 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:40.119 now I'm dying to know what that is. See if 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:41.080 you can get more information. 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:42.880 When she wouldn't tell me, I know, I was home, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.520 she wouldn't find nobody. It's been a little bit of 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:46.439 a time, bitch. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:48.800 Once, when I got fired from fat Camp, I stayed 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:51.440 with her sister and their whole family in Brighton Beach. Yeah, 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:54.800 and then when her when she came to visit, she goes, 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:56.640 if I knew you were gonna be here, I would 0:17:56.680 --> 0:17:59.520 have changed my vacation dates. And it's like you were 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.320 years older than me. Like I am, I am like 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.080 your baby cousin. Like it's crazy you're doing this to me. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:09.719 But you know, you know, you gotta feel bad something's 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.679 going on with her. Almost, I mean you don't have to. 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.520 I'm almost feeling bad for her because something is so 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:16.760 miserable within her. 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:20.919 Yeah, she ended up getting divorced to Like yeah. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.960 I mean, of course I can't imagine that, Like duh, 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.000 I mean, look what else friends. 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:28.280 Of what fault? 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.520 Like to add to the story, she's like six three 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:35.280 what she's like a giant woman. 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:41.399 Wow, you know you create this stories in your mind, 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:44.440 and that's not what I had. She's like I did 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:47.560 not in the Sims game of my mind of the story, 0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:50.320 she was not six foot three. 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.040 She's like a very tall, tall woman. She's like a 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.760 very large whoa, oh my god, I know. 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.399 What else in her whole family is as tall, Like 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.000 she is the tallest person. 0:18:58.720 --> 0:19:00.479 By far for general rations. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.760 Yeah, overpowers my thought, like which taller than all of us? 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:10.760 Es, geez, she's your family. 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:13.119 She was like an esthetician, so she would always just 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.520 be like she would make like she would be like, 0:19:15.800 --> 0:19:18.439 don't tell your mom, come come get a facial with me. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:19.159 I don't know. 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.119 She's just like a little creep, but we kept we 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.520 saw her all the time. It was just like recent 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.919 you know, finally with the elections and all that and 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.600 COVID and how people react, you know, it like changes it, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.320 it exhorts, it made things bigger, like lots of people 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.479 stopping friends with people or families. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:40.720 Yeah, kind of you figure shit out. No, totally, totally. 0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.720 Well, I'm also excited for my trip coming up because 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:45.800 we're gonna hang out. 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.199 And you're seeing Oh Mary and finally talk about it 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:53.120 on the podcast. 0:19:53.920 --> 0:19:54.600 I can't wait. 0:19:54.920 --> 0:19:57.040 I fucking was selling like eight people yesterday, Like put 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:58.719 it in your calendar, take your girlfriend at a date, 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:01.560 you have to go see this speak. I just feel 0:20:01.640 --> 0:20:07.320 comedians would find it actually like really funny. Surprising, amazing, 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.760 Like you know, there's a difference between like stand up 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.720 funny and theater funny, and theater funny sometimes a little 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.679 corny cheesy like I saw Shucked, Like it's not full blown. 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.639 But I just feel like these people that are so 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:22.679 jaded and I've seen it all would act, you know, 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.280 like I just like want this for everyone. 0:20:25.760 --> 0:20:28.680 No, I'm really excited because I've always been a fan 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.480 of coal and I just think the fact that something 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.640 different is like dominating Broadway is cool. Like sure, let's 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:40.399 bring Cats back forever, let's bring off Phantom Chicago. But 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.440 like something different in like like this. 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.200 Is killing it on Broadway. It's cool. It's like it's 0:20:46.280 --> 0:20:47.600 uh heartening. 0:20:47.840 --> 0:20:49.879 Well yeah, because someone was like, oh, six, and I 0:20:49.920 --> 0:20:52.240 go no, no, I saw six. It's not like this is different, 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.359 this is a genre. But I kept saying this is 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:57.040 doing for theater what Scream. 0:20:56.760 --> 0:20:59.560 Did for horror, Like that's what I But it's also 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.639 not a musical, right cause they're singing. 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:02.520 No, there's no singing. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, which makes people happier. Actually, people don't 0:21:05.920 --> 0:21:10.919 love musicals. Yeah, and it's eighty minutes no intermission, Like yeah, 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:11.800 I don't know. 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.280 I like I love musicals, but I also love musicals 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:18.560 where there's talking and then a song, and then there's 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:21.800 talking and then a song and not necessarily what. 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:22.240 Are we doing? 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:24.399 Are we going to the store, like you know, like 0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:27.040 we're all everything is the song, And I think that's 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:28.960 that makes people. 0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.199 But you know, the Cats that's on right now is 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.560 like the Jellical Ball. It's like a gay version. It's 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.120 like a drag version of Cats. 0:21:36.200 --> 0:21:39.520 Yeah, I honestly just said Cats out of my out 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.000 of my ass, like I was just as like a 0:21:41.040 --> 0:21:44.280 long running show, but I didn't even realize. But now 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:46.280 that you say that, I've been seeing people post about 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:47.000 the Jellical Ball. 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:51.439 Yeah, it's it's an off Broadway thing, and someone I 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.480 really think is cool went to see it so I 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:54.080 might see it. 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:58.159 I still haven't seen Sightsannic though, Oh it's so fun. 0:21:58.800 --> 0:22:01.600 You just especially with like Selene Fever that's happening right 0:22:01.600 --> 0:22:03.719 now after she's kind of like back in the public 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:06.879 eye and like did the Olympics opening ceremony, Like you 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.520 just don't you forget how many like fucking bangers she has, 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.080 how many like ballads that are like so powerful and like, oh, 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:17.280 I've never forgotten ever. Yeah no, I know, but it's 0:22:17.320 --> 0:22:20.040 like I just having them all presented to you. And 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:21.879 even we listened to her on the way home. I 0:22:21.920 --> 0:22:23.520 was like, they didn't even put this one in the show. 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:25.440 There's like three or four other ones that like didn't 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:28.760 even make it into the show. She's amazing. I love Selene. 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:33.240 I love how crazy she seems. Fashion photo shoots she 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:37.679 does where she's just totally gets it and is wild. 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:42.480 I love her luxury law yeah la roach la Roach. 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.680 I saw him doing that shoot with her. Yeah, he 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.560 that seems like a great match. She's very fun. I 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.360 like her a lot, one of our one of our 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:54.879 gems on the planet. All right, let's get started with 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.040 the episode. We've got a great episode coming up for 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.560 you guys today. 0:23:01.960 --> 0:23:04.560 All Right, we're here. It's the time. 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:09.120 It is Ridicule, Season three, episode two, a few months 0:23:09.119 --> 0:23:10.000 after nine to eleven. 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:11.800 If I want to be honest. 0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.600 As we always like to position ourselves in time via 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:17.440 the nine to eleven, that is our our thing we do. 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.679 I mean really coming because I wonder how long SVU 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:24.240 actually took off, because you know, I want SNL what 0:23:24.359 --> 0:23:27.040 came back out in a month or was it two months. Yeah, 0:23:27.240 --> 0:23:28.920 but I remember that was a big deal. It was 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:32.719 Reese Witherspoon, right, Oh did I make that up? 0:23:32.800 --> 0:23:35.800 After? I could have totally made that up. I feel 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:36.360 like I made that. 0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:40.520 Up first SNL guest after nine to eleven. 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:45.720 I was remember Rudy Giuliani was there, but it was her. Yeah, 0:23:45.720 --> 0:23:52.880 I'm right, so happy and Alicia Keys Wow, good memory. 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:54.960 I would never have remembered that Reese was the one 0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.440 to bring us back into laughter after a national tragedy. 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:03.879 I can't she's positive. She's a positive cow. They get sauce. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:05.240 I'm a I'm a. 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.919 I wish she didn't sell her production company to like, 0:24:08.119 --> 0:24:12.760 you know, dark money, oh to like not black Rock, 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:17.080 but something in that vein Like really, yeah, she's like 0:24:17.119 --> 0:24:24.600 the first actress billionaire interesting to Blackstone for nine hundred 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:25.240 million dollars. 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.119 I know a lot of people that work there. How 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:32.479 do you feel about that? I mean, they're making a 0:24:32.520 --> 0:24:36.919 lot of money, but it's I'm always confused because I'm 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:38.880 always like, wait, is Blackstone bad? I mean, I'm sure 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:41.680 it's bad, but is it is it black Water black? 0:24:41.960 --> 0:24:44.639 Or black Rock bad? And then there's also Blackwater is 0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:45.160 a bad thing. 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.000 I just don't know why. I just don't get it. 0:24:49.080 --> 0:24:51.639 Like the whole point was like women's story, it's fun. 0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.000 Did she sell it off like she's not going to 0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:56.160 be involved anymore. She's still going to be involved. I'm 0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:59.600 sure she's still working. Okay, I'm sure she's making stuff 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:04.200 and you know, picking the books and getting the rights 0:25:04.240 --> 0:25:05.520 to the book, picking the book. 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:09.480 Yeah, famously, I read Wild in my book club. 0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:12.359 Yeah, I'm glad I never did. That was one of 0:25:12.400 --> 0:25:15.720 her choice of myself. You were proud you never read Wild, 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:19.159 or that you never saw the movie or both, honestly both. 0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.080 I was just like her in a boot, just walking 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:22.800 in a forest. 0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:26.320 I don't want it. I just had no interest in Wild. Wait, 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:29.880 I forgot. This isn't an intro. We do have an episode. Okay, yes, yes, 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:33.639 we just like truly devolved into Reese. But that is 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:35.560 the power she had, and that's why she brought us 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:36.439 back to nine to eleven. 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:37.280 And here we are. 0:25:37.440 --> 0:25:40.000 It's the first Christmas post night eleven and we're getting 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.480 this this amazing episode. 0:25:41.480 --> 0:25:43.360 This is a wild episode, and I'm excited that we're 0:25:43.400 --> 0:25:43.719 doing it. 0:25:44.400 --> 0:25:46.960 So a man casually walks into a cute apartment calling 0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:50.280 out for someone named Sid and the decor is very 0:25:50.280 --> 0:25:54.000 Beetlejuice minus the goth So there's a lot of whimsical shapes, 0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:55.440 but it's yellow walls. 0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:02.280 It's funky, you know what I mean, very dely adites. Yes, wait, 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:04.520 I told you we showed the kids Beetlejuice. And now 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:07.040 Oscar keeps randomly when I'm putting him to bed, sometimes 0:26:07.080 --> 0:26:11.760 just going lydiadeets lydia adeeps, just saying that that's creepy, 0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.760 because if he said Beetlejuice, I'd get it. 0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:15.360 Yeah, but he doesn't even mean. 0:26:15.640 --> 0:26:17.680 And he goes, who's Lydiadiets And I go, she's a 0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:18.560 well from Beetlejuice. 0:26:18.600 --> 0:26:20.080 And he goes, what does she look like? I'm like, 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:24.680 you know what she looks like. It's so crazy. He's 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:25.560 the sacess. 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.280 I think, I mean, I think you guys should do 0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.480 a family Beetle Juice costume this year. 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:34.639 Like I really believe in that. I would actually love that. 0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:36.440 Let me pitch it to Rosie because she's kind of 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:37.960 set on being Evy the Pokemon. 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.280 That is really cute, you know, but that. 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:43.040 I don't think that will be a group costume because 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:44.680 Oscar has no passion for Pokemon. 0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:49.080 Yeah, okay, so here we go. He calls out again, 0:26:49.280 --> 0:26:52.480 no answer. He sees little candles, you know, lit in 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.000 the bathroom. He opens the bedroom door and she's on 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:57.760 her knees on the bed but bending forward with dim lights, 0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:00.240 and he's like, what the hell are you doing? Me 0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.040 to stay? This is not the way to do it. 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.800 And he starts walking in after hiding behind the door, 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.359 and oh no, she is tied up but also dead 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.879 and tied to a ceiling fan. She was positioned and 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:16.080 her face was chill like, it was kind of like eerie. Yeah, 0:27:16.119 --> 0:27:18.840 it didn't look distressed, but her eyes weren't closed, like 0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:20.800 I don't know, you know, kind of wild. 0:27:21.160 --> 0:27:22.400 Yes, creepy. 0:27:22.840 --> 0:27:26.640 Okay, so active crime scene Melinda warners at a conference. 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:30.879 So we're stuck with some man. Yeah, Benson and stablerry 0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:33.119 here and Benson's like, so, what's on the menu today? 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:37.840 Justin and it's auto erotic exphyxiation and Sydney Green early 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:41.000 thirties husband found her. He was flipping out, so they 0:27:41.080 --> 0:27:43.720 drove him to SVU to wait for the detectives because 0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:45.919 he was kind of being annoying, but also, you know, 0:27:46.000 --> 0:27:48.760 his wife is dead. He cut her down and turned 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.919 off the music. She's been dead three to four hours tops. 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:56.159 There's no apparent fluids. Because auto erotics usually fly solo. 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:59.280 Justin fills us in. So that's why Justin is leaning 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:00.080 towards solo. 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:01.000 But you never know. 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:03.800 And then Justin his gross as hell and goes it's 0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.280 not official to like cut her open, and it's like, 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.600 do you really have to? Yeah, like just in case 0:28:09.640 --> 0:28:11.720 she was poisoned, Like I just didn't know that you 0:28:11.880 --> 0:28:13.760 just willy nilly will cut open anybody. 0:28:13.800 --> 0:28:17.800 That's I feel like any autopsy involves a cut open. 0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:19.840 Wow. 0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.200 Yeah, because like they Melinda's like weighing organs and shit, 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:24.640 you know. 0:28:25.119 --> 0:28:31.080 I don't know, yes, yes, the famous liverhold So Benson says, 0:28:31.160 --> 0:28:34.360 until we have proof, let's treat this like a sexual homicide. 0:28:35.040 --> 0:28:37.360 But there is no sign of break in or a struggle, 0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.200 and the bedroom is set up for a seductive scene 0:28:40.320 --> 0:28:46.640 and we're into the credit they asked the husband, how 0:28:46.640 --> 0:28:49.600 long has your wife been exphyxiating? And he's like, oh no, 0:28:49.760 --> 0:28:53.120 that's crazy. Wait, I'm sorry. Did you watch The Jersey 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.240 where John Fuda had an allergic reaction and refused to 0:28:56.560 --> 0:28:58.080 the hospital yea, what a. 0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.440 Dope, What a dope. Alians don't go to the hospital. 0:29:01.760 --> 0:29:04.400 Shut up, Like it was making me crazy. It was 0:29:04.520 --> 0:29:08.600 making me crazy. He's wearing like an Italian shirt. I'm like, 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:11.840 your identity of being Italian like cannot be this strong. 0:29:11.880 --> 0:29:15.720 It's it's actually unhinged. But I wonder if he's allergic 0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:18.120 to bone marrow or what happened. But you got like 0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:21.320 his throat was closing, he was sweating, he couldn't speak, 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.920 and he was like, no, I'm fine, I'm gonna sleep 0:29:23.960 --> 0:29:27.880 it off. And it's like, just get some oxygen, you maniac. 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:29.600 He like through the oxygen. 0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:33.840 Like jobni Margo's husband, Joe b Niino like obviously like 0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.280 like physically doesn't really like do anything for me. But 0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:39.560 like when he's like the only mature husband, he's like 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.200 the only mature man. He's like, no, you have to 0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.520 go to the hospital right now, like let's go get well. 0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.720 What was the word he kept saying, actic aphylactic. He 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.560 was like, it's anaphylactic, anaphylactic, and they kept going back up, 0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:51.400 going what does that mean. I'm like, you've all put 0:29:51.480 --> 0:29:54.360 children through school where peanut allergies happen and you don't 0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:56.000 know anaphylaxis like that. 0:29:56.000 --> 0:29:58.120 That was wild to me. They're like, what what at? 0:29:58.200 --> 0:29:58.760 What's that like? 0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:00.560 They were all just like New Jersey seeing it up 0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.360 so hard, no offense, New Jersey housewivesing it up. 0:30:04.760 --> 0:30:06.680 It was. It was wild. It was wild. 0:30:06.680 --> 0:30:10.520 It was giving me a lot of adgetas you can tell. Yeah, 0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.200 you are stressed, I'm activated. 0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:18.400 Okay, so the husband goes her vibe, that's not her 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.920 vibe exphyxiating. But they've only been married six months. They're 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.760 already having issues and they're they're in a separation and 0:30:25.800 --> 0:30:27.760 it was a quick engagement. They only dated three months, 0:30:27.800 --> 0:30:30.520 so they've only known each other nine months total, So 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:33.240 she could be exphyxiating secretly, we don't know. 0:30:33.440 --> 0:30:34.880 Yeah, you don't know everything about her. 0:30:35.520 --> 0:30:38.800 Yeah, but they did decide to separate a little bit, 0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:41.920 and he went to get a few things, and that's 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:44.760 how he found everything. He's only left just a few 0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.600 weeks ago. He's an artist and he was at his 0:30:47.640 --> 0:30:50.880 studio working. They ask why you know they weren't getting 0:30:50.880 --> 0:30:53.160 along and he's like, whatever, Like two people can love 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.800 each other and not be good living partners. Why are 0:30:55.840 --> 0:31:00.440 you even asking me these questions? He's annoyed, irritated, huffing, puffing, 0:31:00.840 --> 0:31:03.680 and then calmly just asks for a phone call when 0:31:03.720 --> 0:31:06.600 they released her body. Saylor says they'll let him know, 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:09.640 so he leaves, and it's time for a judge judge meeting, 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.080 So suspender Cragan is leading the meeting, and we have 0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:18.760 munch Finn and Benson and Stabler, so they think he's 0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.640 hiding something. Saylor thinks that she had a new man 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.280 and the husband caught them and that and he is 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:28.760 the killer Pixie cut. Benson has the visitor sign sign 0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.440 in from the building, and Pam Adler and Amelia Chase 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.040 arrived around lunchtime, and Finn actually knows one of those names. 0:31:35.320 --> 0:31:38.200 He asks if it's Pam Adler, the criminal attorney, and 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:42.040 she's cross examined him before, So Benson and Stabler head 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.760 onto the law offices since Finn has history with her. 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.680 It's June fifth. We're at three point two Center Street, 0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.120 the law offices of Adler, Rose and Kleine. I just 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.760 think it's so annoying, Like every partner, you just keep 0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.760 adding and adding these names. Just call it a thing. 0:31:58.880 --> 0:31:59.520 I don't get it. 0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.040 Oh, trust me, our lawyer. When I'm writing out the check, 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.680 I'm like, my hand is hurting. Like it's so many freakin' 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.200 names and you have to write them all. I mean, 0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:11.640 I think so no one's ever told me, hey, it's 0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.560 okay to just write this, so I just write them all. 0:32:13.760 --> 0:32:15.440 It's a lot. It's a lot of names, but it 0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:17.760 is annoying. And then you make partner and like, what 0:32:17.800 --> 0:32:19.760 if your name sounds shitty? I mean, I gotta say, 0:32:19.800 --> 0:32:22.080 Clank is probably going to fuck up any law like 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:29.920 the law Offices of Barrister Framingham, like O'Brien, Wiles and Clank, Like, 0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:31.600 I don't know, I just feel like it's gonna fuck 0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:34.000 up your cred with your building. Tragger is a good trigger, 0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:36.360 would be like a good law name. I think it 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:37.040 would be fine. 0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.880 Yeah, you really hate it up. You hate Clank. 0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.120 I don't think it sounds good with many things, but 0:32:42.160 --> 0:32:45.760 I've grown to like it for me, but I don't 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:47.720 want to get it. I was happy not to give 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:49.360 it to my kids, and I'm happy to not be 0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:52.520 a partner in a law firm to ruin their style. 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:55.600 And we love Pam Adler. 0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:59.360 She is played by a Page Turco and she was 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.880 the rich mam and wife of Kyle McLaughlin and Blood 0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:03.440 Brothers from season thirteen. 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:06.720 So if you were wondering who she is and is 0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:10.720 she not? Is she not? Later in another one, No, 0:33:10.800 --> 0:33:11.120 she's not. 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:14.240 For some reason, I thought she was the wife of 0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:18.160 the guy who is the doctor and has a secret family, 0:33:18.520 --> 0:33:21.239 but that it's a different one. But yeah, yeah, And 0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:23.680 she's also not Laurie Laughlin. 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.000 If you were like, is that Lauri Laughlin, it's not. 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.160 It's not. Yes, but she's been in stuff like my 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:34.400 whole young she's so star yeah sor she's been working. 0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:35.280 She's been working. 0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:38.520 Yeah, and she's really sad to hear the news of 0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:39.040 her friend. 0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:40.200 They were close. 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:43.400 They met at Vassar, so you know why were they 0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.120 over there though during lunch she said, well, she didn't 0:33:46.120 --> 0:33:47.960 show up to our plan lunchtime, so we went to 0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.160 check on her at the apartment. Sidney said she wanted 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.880 to be alone, but Pam thinks that someone was in 0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:57.160 there and she had company. Stabler's excited that he might 0:33:57.200 --> 0:33:59.640 be right that, like, you know, there was another person 0:33:59.680 --> 0:34:02.880 because there was Robe Candle's music, so that's what they're assuming. 0:34:03.200 --> 0:34:05.640 The bedroom door was closed, so she has no idea 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:06.400 who it could be. 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.799 But she says that Sydney was depressed and Andrew was 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:12.399 no prize and they hate Andrew and they talk about 0:34:12.440 --> 0:34:15.640 him the whole time. And so she says he was 0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:19.520 an artist with questionable talent and that he married a 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.080 meal ticket. They met on a Caribbean vacation. But she's 0:34:23.120 --> 0:34:24.719 a really good friend and she's like, oh, but I 0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.160 convinced her to get a prenup. And then she also 0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.120 gives them the info to the divorce attorney and she's like, 0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:31.719 you know, he's going to have a complete list of 0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:33.920 her assets. So they meet, you know, we meet a 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.839 man in a suit and he fills usin. She made 0:34:36.840 --> 0:34:40.040 a killing in junk bonds but lost her shirt in 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:42.879 the tech market. So that's a lot of lingo there, 0:34:43.400 --> 0:34:46.480 and basically the husband might get like fifty grand with 0:34:46.560 --> 0:34:49.200 the death. Benson goes, that's a lot of money, and 0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:52.640 the attorney attorney goes in Manhattan, don't kid me. 0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.320 I mean really, it's like, once you pay taxes and stuff, 0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:58.399 that's like, that's not worth killing somebody, to. 0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:59.479 Be honest, is the deal. 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.279 But people kill each other for three thousand No I know. 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.600 But if you're trying to tie it to a money game. Yeah, 0:35:05.680 --> 0:35:08.359 that's not it. Fifty grand in Manhattan. I'm sorry, it's 0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.399 really like, that's like you're gonna have a nicer life 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:12.440 for like six months. 0:35:13.239 --> 0:35:16.560 I hate to say it, but if the client lives, 0:35:16.600 --> 0:35:18.880 he would have gotten nothing in the divorce because of 0:35:18.920 --> 0:35:23.560 the prenup. So you know, Munch and Finn are waiting outside, 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:26.520 waiting for their girl, and Finn is like, oh god, 0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:29.280 you know these stock party pool they live so well, 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.000 short hours, spa days. And Munch hates the spot and 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.600 he goes only women can learn how to waste money 0:35:36.600 --> 0:35:38.960 and time at the same time, or when he say, 0:35:39.480 --> 0:35:41.879 learn how to waste both whatever. He hates the spa, 0:35:42.120 --> 0:35:46.520 he hates his ex wives and that's that. So Diane 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.200 Neil walks out and she's in a turtleneck, and but 0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:50.520 she is not playing Novak. 0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.200 This is the stock bitch. She's at the spot. 0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:56.839 This reminds me of legally Blonde always back to Reese Witherspoon. Yes, 0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:01.440 the stepmother. So they're gonna talk about Sidney Green and 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.960 this doesn't This girl doesn't seem sad at all. She's like, 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.000 I have Aerond's do you mind if we walk and 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:09.719 it's like, your friend did just die. They met at 0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:12.520 Goldman and they stayed friends, even though Sydney was a 0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:17.319 little too risque for her. But she's also like confused 0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.040 because she heard the details and assumed it was an accident. 0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:20.960 So what's going on? 0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.560 Munch questions why she would assume that, and Novak answer, 0:36:24.640 --> 0:36:26.160 not Novak, it's not Novak. 0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.160 Okay, so answers that. 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:32.319 She me on the edge Amelia Chase, and it's how 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:36.040 she worked and lived, big risk taker gambling, kinky sex, 0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:39.799 ropes and stuff. And even though she wasn't into that shit, 0:36:40.280 --> 0:36:42.960 she did believe that they were kindred spirits. They were 0:36:43.000 --> 0:36:45.560 both badass bitches who like to make tons of money 0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:48.480 and like fuck over any man that got in their way. 0:36:49.040 --> 0:36:51.240 So back at the office, time to report to Daddy 0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:55.560 Cragan and Craigan's like, whoa, So are they even close 0:36:55.920 --> 0:36:58.560 enough friends to chat about something so intimate? 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:00.920 Grow up? I can't believe it? What a prude? 0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:06.200 Munch goes, Yes, spirit sisters who love to take down moneymen, 0:37:06.320 --> 0:37:08.719 and Finn walks by like, oh yeah, so close. She 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.919 seemed real broken up about her friend's death, and those 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:12.800 are my sentiments. 0:37:12.840 --> 0:37:13.320 Exactly. 0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:16.800 So now it's yeah, you got a full blown facial 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:19.840 in your shopping after a full day of work, and you're. 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:22.120 You're like, I can't even stop to talk about my 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:22.640 dead friend. 0:37:22.719 --> 0:37:24.960 Can we just like actually walk and talk? Is that cool? 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:27.600 Like my kindred spirit of a pal? 0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:31.200 So Craigan asks, you think her and the lawyer has 0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:32.759 something to do with it? You know, they were the 0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:35.279 last people to see her alive. Or maybe it's still 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:38.279 this bro husband. So let's go to the morgue. Then 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:41.080 also check with the husband's neighbors and also talk to 0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:45.319 the husband in cement room bars. He tells them what 0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.760 they already know. There was no money. Then they asked 0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.600 him like you said, she wasn't into choke stuff, but 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.960 we talked to someone else who said she loved it. 0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:56.360 So which is it murder or accident? 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.440 And he had he has his head in his hands 0:37:58.480 --> 0:38:00.600 and they keep pushing him and he goes, you know, 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:04.280 he sighs heavily, and finally he's ready to spill some beans. 0:38:04.800 --> 0:38:06.960 We told everyone we met on the islands, but we 0:38:07.000 --> 0:38:09.880 really met in rehab. We just didn't want anyone to know. 0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:12.439 And they were both pill heads and knew the worst 0:38:12.480 --> 0:38:14.560 about each other, so he would have stuck by her 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:17.160 side no matter what other weird shit she was up to. 0:38:18.120 --> 0:38:20.319 If she had only come clean, maybe she would still 0:38:20.360 --> 0:38:24.000 be alive today. So he says, Sydney was using drugs again. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.560 She was losing control, and they were at this bachelorette 0:38:26.600 --> 0:38:29.440 party and her and her friends attacked the mail stripper 0:38:29.880 --> 0:38:31.960 and it was reported to the cops because they were 0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:35.000 waiting for them. When they got back from their honeymoon. 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:38.720 They raped this man stripper and that's why they were fighting. 0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.840 Someone killed my wife and it was probably him. Dramatic 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:48.400 music plays Dun dun. Stabler looks skeptical. Benson and Stabler 0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.520 approach a hippie style van. It looks like they're selling 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.400 wares or living I'm not sure. Later I do realize 0:38:54.480 --> 0:38:58.279 it is an animal shelters type of van situation. There's 0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.640 a woman out front, and then I ask for Peter Smith. 0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:03.440 He pops out from behind. He's like, what's up. He 0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:05.880 hands a puppy to the girl and walks with the 0:39:05.880 --> 0:39:08.720 cops and he's into them being there and ready to talk. 0:39:08.920 --> 0:39:10.479 He's like, oh my god, did you find the names 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.840 of the other women who rape me? And Benson's like, 0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:16.440 so do you know Sidney Green and he's like, you know, 0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.080 I do. Stayblor asks if he has seen her since 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:22.600 the alleged drape, and he's upset, like, alleged excuse me, 0:39:23.200 --> 0:39:25.040 but no, he hasn't talked to her since her and 0:39:25.080 --> 0:39:27.799 her friends attacked him, And finally he goes, Okay, you 0:39:27.840 --> 0:39:30.279 are obviously not here to help me, so why are 0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.920 you here. They reveal that Sidney is dead and he's like, oh, 0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.839 you think I did it? And there clearly they do, sir, 0:39:37.760 --> 0:39:39.720 and he says, even though I have so many reasons 0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:42.160 to be angry, I didn't kill anyone, even though the 0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.880 cops ridiculed me and told the nurse that it was 0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:47.640 a scam. They go okay, okay, so what have been 0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:50.120 your movements for the past few days? He was at 0:39:50.120 --> 0:39:53.600 the animal shelter and then he you know, he walks 0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.319 in a huff and goes, you can even check with 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:59.400 my supervisor. Benson is also like, well, her building had 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.399 full secure there should be proof, like, what the fuck 0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:05.800 is going on? And we know that when all else fails, 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.120 you go to the Emmy's office. 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:09.680 But it's still not Melinda. 0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.640 She's not back from this fucking conference, and this guy, 0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.160 you know, he still thinks that she did it to herself. 0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:18.560 So there's a walk and talk and behind them is 0:40:18.560 --> 0:40:21.360 a DARE poster, which I found nostalgic and funny. 0:40:21.840 --> 0:40:26.600 And so do they still do that? No, it does. 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:34.080 DARE still exist. A yeah, looks like it does. California, 0:40:34.120 --> 0:40:37.640 Dare America. There's all different kind of DARE shit on 0:40:37.680 --> 0:40:38.160 the internet. 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:39.560 Yeah, yep. 0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:43.680 DARE Officer training in Utah, twenty twenty three. It's still happening. 0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:48.919 I mean, I don't remember anything except for okay. Our 0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.960 officer who came to talk to us about DARE was 0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:53.600 named Officer Lombard. I remember him exactly. I could probably 0:40:53.680 --> 0:40:57.279 draw his face from memory. He would always tell us like, so, 0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.000 if a guy, if guys come up to you in 0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:02.680 dungarees and offer you something, and we're like dungarees, like 0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.080 we're bumping on dungarees, or like we didn't know what 0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:08.880 that was. And then it was always just hilarious that 0:41:09.120 --> 0:41:10.920 dungarries are jeans, and he'd be like, so, if a 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:14.680 guy comes up to you in jeans, run That was 0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.040 the big DARE takeaway for me. 0:41:16.719 --> 0:41:20.480 We had a woman cop and uh she I remember 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.760 she went to a girl's desk and started like taking 0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.560 her you know, pencil case kaboodle thing and like taking 0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:29.720 all of her stuff and going, robbers want your stuff, 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:31.200 so give them your stuff. 0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:36.040 That's what I remember. Just give them your stuff. 0:41:36.520 --> 0:41:41.000 God, but asking a kid to part with a kaboodle huge. 0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.160 I was obsessed. Hide and a black on the bottom. 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:50.120 Woo you still have it? No, that's a sexy color. No, 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:52.120 I have like the re release, Like I like, someone 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.000 got me a gift. I keep my pins in it. Yeah, 0:41:55.120 --> 0:41:55.920 not an original. 0:41:56.200 --> 0:42:01.879 Like I had this fucking CVS style perfume called Calliente. 0:42:01.920 --> 0:42:05.080 I would keep that in my kaboodle. What a time 0:42:05.120 --> 0:42:09.120 to be alive anyway, keep cinnamon. What is cali Calliente? 0:42:09.120 --> 0:42:12.200 It was like some cheap smelling thing that I thought 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.480 was amazing, Like I don't think I put it on 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.640 because my mom was probably like, stop wearing slut perfume. 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:19.239 I don't know. 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:21.840 I don't know what caliente it felt like what it 0:42:21.920 --> 0:42:24.480 smelled like, but it wasn't. It wasn't like a light 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.680 floral gap scent that I should have been wearing. 0:42:26.760 --> 0:42:26.960 You know. 0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.680 It was like but you know, there's like a little 0:42:29.760 --> 0:42:32.439 joke where it goes. You know, Dare made me feel 0:42:32.480 --> 0:42:34.600 like people were just going to be offering me drugs 0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:40.000 everywhere I went. I know it's not the reality of life, 0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:42.840 but where it is I don't know. 0:42:42.920 --> 0:42:44.960 No, but like they made it seem like you wouldn't 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.000 have to have any money. They would just come up 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.719 to you and be like, hey, you want drugs. And 0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:50.480 I guess they thought the point was like they'd get 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:52.600 you with the first sample, you'd get hooked, and then 0:42:52.640 --> 0:42:55.400 you'd come back with money, right, is that what's happening? 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.360 Yeah? Oh god, it just made me think of a 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:03.359 horrible scene in Euphoria with Martha Kelly. I'm still gonna watch. 0:43:03.400 --> 0:43:06.360 I'm still gonna watch a manipulative, evil bitch. 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.720 Not the actress, of course, but oh we love Martha 0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.840 an SVU fan and I think an occasional listener of 0:43:12.880 --> 0:43:15.279 our podcast, Oh, such. 0:43:15.040 --> 0:43:19.080 A bad person. God shivers up my spine. 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.919 Okay, So Finn, Stabler, Benson and Stabler what why would 0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:23.200 I write? 0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:24.319 Stabler twice. 0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:29.640 Is not into this story, But Finn and Benson are 0:43:29.719 --> 0:43:33.640 down with that conclusion. And what conclusion we really I 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:36.800 don't even remember what I'm talking about. We got sidetracked 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:38.520 by the Dare pot. I also remember like there was 0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:41.560 a lion, a cute lion and a Dare shirt that 0:43:41.640 --> 0:43:44.120 I really enjoyed. But I think it's a waste of 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:48.960 taxpayer money. Okay, yeah, So was she alone? 0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:49.440 Was she not? 0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:51.960 Is it the women? Is it the husband? What's going on? 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:54.480 And Finn goes, we got to just wait for Melnda 0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:59.120 to come back from the conference. So Benson's like, no, no, 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:02.239 we have an open rape case. Like we it's not 0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:04.880 just this murder. We also have a rape case and 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:07.920 we have to work on it. And Stabler does not 0:44:08.080 --> 0:44:11.960 want to and Cabot doesn't want it either. She's like, 0:44:12.000 --> 0:44:15.560 I'm not taking a man rape case. Everyone. This is honestly, 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:18.719 it seems like the eighties but it's not. And I 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.879 bet it's still you know, taboo to this day. Too 0:44:21.880 --> 0:44:25.600 many people. So we meet up with a dream threesome. 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:29.480 We have Stabler. Why wouldn't I write who else it is? 0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:34.440 It's it's Cabots, Stabler and Kragan and they're all talking, 0:44:35.080 --> 0:44:37.000 and you know, Stabler goes, I. 0:44:36.920 --> 0:44:39.040 Mean, he wasn't even drunk. There's no weapon. 0:44:39.080 --> 0:44:42.279 I'm not buying it and and you know, nobody buys it, 0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:44.800 and a jury's not going to buy it. And Cabot's like, listen, 0:44:44.840 --> 0:44:47.960 if a crime took place, I'll handle a jury. Sailor 0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:50.399 goes fuck, okay, So we're gonna do the first man 0:44:50.520 --> 0:44:54.080 victim rape case, okay. And it's like, would this have 0:44:54.200 --> 0:44:57.200 been the first male rape case in New York City? 0:44:58.680 --> 0:45:02.520 I mean, I doubt it, but I mean the true 0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.120 crime I'm going to talk to you about is from 0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:06.880 way earlier than this, but it's not in New York City, 0:45:07.040 --> 0:45:11.319 so I don't know, but I can't imagine. 0:45:12.120 --> 0:45:15.480 So Stabler accuses Cabot like, oh, you're doing this for attention, 0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:17.799 and she does not like that. So we have an 0:45:17.840 --> 0:45:21.440 erection debate, like you know, doesn't count if someone's hard, 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:23.680 but the law disagrees with Stabler. 0:45:23.760 --> 0:45:25.400 You can be hard and be raped. 0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:27.960 And Cabot's sending them to go talk to the victim 0:45:27.960 --> 0:45:28.840 and get his statement. 0:45:29.520 --> 0:45:30.920 But we have even bigger problems. 0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:33.319 It's not up to Cabot and her boss doesn't want 0:45:33.440 --> 0:45:36.480 none of this case like at all. So we're at 0:45:36.520 --> 0:45:38.960 a park outdoor walk and talk, which is you know, 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.239 Cabot wind in her hair and there's a man in 0:45:41.280 --> 0:45:44.279 a suit, and he's like, listen, a man stripper. I 0:45:44.280 --> 0:45:46.839 don't think so, and I don't want to do this. 0:45:47.120 --> 0:45:50.160 And there are photos in the file and Cabot's like, 0:45:50.200 --> 0:45:52.640 what the fuck? You don't like his professions, so that's that, 0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.720 and he's like whatever. So he claims three women cuffed 0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:59.560 him into a bed and assaulted him. Come on, he 0:45:59.600 --> 0:46:01.759 doesn't want to spend tax mayor of money on this. 0:46:01.960 --> 0:46:05.799 It's not a believaable guy. And even his living girlfriend 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.440 didn't buy it. So if you want to fuck with 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.239 your reputation on this flimsy case, you have at it. 0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.359 But I'm not doing it. She goes, fine, I don't care, 0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:15.880 I'll do it. Give me your notes. He agrees to 0:46:15.920 --> 0:46:18.319 the note exchange, so we go to talk to his 0:46:18.360 --> 0:46:20.439 girlfriend at the time of attack, who says they broke 0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.880 up a while ago. She's in a white T shirt 0:46:22.880 --> 0:46:25.480 working at a restaurant, which it gets messy. I really 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.520 don't understand the chef situation, or is it a brag like, 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:32.480 look how clean my whites are. I don't know that 0:46:32.640 --> 0:46:37.480 is I know for the cheesecake factory, they're supposed to 0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:39.719 look like bakers, but for a while, I thought it 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:41.600 was because they were supposed to look like cheesecakes. 0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:46.200 And I like her. So she's working at this restaurant. 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.799 She's like, listen, I wasn't at the party, okay, but 0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:52.000 she doesn't believe that a man can be raped by 0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:55.200 a woman, and then she gives details that aren't really relevant. 0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.480 She was like, he was a kept man of a 0:46:57.560 --> 0:47:00.719 woman twelve years older than him, and Sabler goes, but 0:47:00.760 --> 0:47:03.000 he has rich parents and she's like, yeah, they didn't 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:05.120 want to waste money on his drama degree. 0:47:05.280 --> 0:47:05.880 Get real. 0:47:06.360 --> 0:47:10.080 Everyone just keeps doing come on, get real, Okay, Like 0:47:10.160 --> 0:47:12.160 this whole episode, everyone is. 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:16.200 Really really crazy because it's like this is the job 0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.800 of law enforcement to like stretch, like and to question 0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.080 what has been legal for a long time, because, like 0:47:24.480 --> 0:47:27.479 I mean, marital rape was allowed until nineteen eighty four, 0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:31.719 like until some prosecutor or some eightya was like I'm 0:47:31.760 --> 0:47:33.640 going to take this on. I don't really think that 0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:36.400 women should be able to be raped by their husbands, 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:39.839 you know, and then it was changed. So it's like, yes, 0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.359 someone has to be the first person to take on 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:45.040 a male rape case and like make it a legitimate 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.200 thing because of course it's a real thing, you know, 0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.080 and everybody's just like, come on, the boner is the boner. 0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:54.319 It's like, it's crazy logic. But maybe it's because I've 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:55.640 been watching twenty five years of. 0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:56.520 This television show. 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.640 It is always funny when you start talking su with 0:47:59.760 --> 0:48:04.120 some buddy, because I am squeezing it in most conversations, 0:48:04.880 --> 0:48:06.759 and then it's always like, so what are they on 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:10.120 twenty and then you'll go twenty five, get out of here. 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.600 It's like every conversation goes like that. 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.879 So Stabler finally asks this waitress like, okay, then why 0:48:18.880 --> 0:48:21.800 do you think Peter would come forward? She goes attention, 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.440 Peter one time cheated on me with a casting director 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.760 to get a part in a play. He'll do anything 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.440 to get ahead. Benson steps I mean, I do like 0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:32.319 that a man is being treated like a woman. That 0:48:32.480 --> 0:48:33.960 is kind of nice, you know what I mean? 0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:37.640 Yeah, But like, also the idea that anybody would be 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:39.520 like I'm going a clean rape because I think that's 0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:41.600 really going to get me ahead of my career is 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:43.440 like what. 0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:49.439 It's such a gas lighty theory because that's never happened ever. 0:48:50.280 --> 0:48:53.319 Benson steps up to her, but she says, no, he 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.560 is going to be on the news and in interviews, 0:48:55.719 --> 0:48:58.719 and like he probably thinks this is all worth it. 0:48:58.880 --> 0:48:59.680 I know him. 0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.719 Sabler's fine with that, and Benson's like, whatever, she just 0:49:02.760 --> 0:49:05.320 told you what you wanted to hear, stopping an asshole, 0:49:05.360 --> 0:49:08.600 and let's keep working. So Stabler does a working lunch 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:12.520 with b. D. Wong aka George Hwang doctor. I love 0:49:12.560 --> 0:49:15.080 when they eat at work so much. Everyone knows that. 0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:18.320 So maybe he can convince Stabler that men can get raped. 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.520 Stabler is like he works out, what the hell? 0:49:21.680 --> 0:49:24.680 And Huang's like, okay, but you know, we're also taught 0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:26.680 not to hit women and not to fight back, and 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:29.480 so like maybe he didn't want to, you know, punch 0:49:29.480 --> 0:49:31.759 a woman in the face before he was handcuffed. 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:34.000 The thing is is like the guy was probably handcuffed 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:35.560 to the bed thinking it was all part of like 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.719 the game, right, Like I don't think he was handcuffed 0:49:37.760 --> 0:49:38.560 against his will. 0:49:39.000 --> 0:49:42.160 I think he thought, oh, like whatever, they're gonna like 0:49:42.160 --> 0:49:43.080 like you know. 0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:47.520 And now we later find now we later find out 0:49:47.560 --> 0:49:50.319 about the letter opener or did we already find out 0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:53.240 about that there was a letter opener? That's a letter opener. 0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:57.600 Yeah it was fine. I'm here being like, but you 0:49:57.640 --> 0:50:00.239 can't hit, you cannot fight back of your handcuffed. That's 0:50:00.320 --> 0:50:04.400 just the bottom line. But okay, yeah, we're getting a 0:50:04.400 --> 0:50:06.400 lot of toxic masculinity from Stabler. 0:50:06.480 --> 0:50:10.040 Go on, go on, I know he's such a fool. Yeah. 0:50:10.080 --> 0:50:12.319 And Stabler doesn't like this whole thing, like we're taught 0:50:12.360 --> 0:50:14.799 not to like fight women. He goes, that's bullshit. If 0:50:14.800 --> 0:50:17.440 he felt trapped that self defense, just do it hit 0:50:17.480 --> 0:50:21.799 the woman. Statebler screams, he doesn't scream, but whatever. And 0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:25.520 then George is like, well he was ashamed, no control, pride, 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:28.400 like self esteem were violated, like he was in a 0:50:28.440 --> 0:50:31.960 different headspace. And he bites into his cracker in a 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:33.960 way that you're like, this man is so. 0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:35.360 Gay, Like how did nobody know? 0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.280 You know what I mean, It's just like the sassiest 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:39.400 little bite of a cracker. 0:50:39.480 --> 0:50:42.879 I'm like, George Huang is out there. He is at 0:50:42.920 --> 0:50:43.400 the eagle. 0:50:45.239 --> 0:50:48.320 I did like recently on Instagram there was a photo 0:50:48.360 --> 0:50:50.200 of him and Stephanie March like out and. 0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:54.279 About I posted it to our Instagram stories. They were 0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:56.560 some were cool. It was her birthday. I think it 0:50:56.600 --> 0:50:58.840 was like her fiftieth. Yeah, I love that they're but 0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:02.360 it's amaze. So they talk about how this is the 0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:03.880 price of female equality. 0:51:04.400 --> 0:51:08.400 I kind of hate the conversation they have, and so 0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:11.560 they're like, you want equality, then you're gonna get raped, 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:15.520 and I just expect more from George Wong. So we 0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:17.520 have the victim back in the office and Sailor is 0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:20.360 gonna try to talk to him again. Sailor asks if 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:23.000 he's still a stripper, and it's like, no, I stopped 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.320 after the rape. And he's like, you know, the job 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:28.080 was good. I gave me a lot of free time 0:51:28.120 --> 0:51:30.399 so I can audition in the day, but I also 0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:33.040 gave up on acting too, Like I don't need this 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:36.640 in my life. So I guess the attention angle isn't 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:40.720 really true. Sailor looks bored and condescending and is like, okay, 0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:43.279 so you showed up in your little cop outfit, so 0:51:43.440 --> 0:51:44.520 tell us what happened. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:46.960 I got that really burned stabler that he showed up 0:51:46.960 --> 0:51:50.800 in a cop outfit, Like you didn't go to the academy. 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:51.919 He says. 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:53.880 See, he got there late and there was like thirty 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.480 women or so, and they were pretty sauced and hungry. 0:51:56.520 --> 0:52:00.719 For entertainment, so he danced for them, and Sailor's like, oh, 0:52:00.760 --> 0:52:02.799 so were you drugged? And he gets mad and turns 0:52:02.840 --> 0:52:04.839 around dramatically and is like, oh, you think that's the 0:52:04.840 --> 0:52:07.399 only way it could happen. She wanted to pay him, 0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.680 but said the check book was in a different room. 0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:13.160 So when they got in there, he saw a desk. 0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:15.480 The light turned on and he realized that they were 0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.879 in a spare bedroom and the two other women were 0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.399 waiting for him. One had a letter opener and tried 0:52:20.400 --> 0:52:22.720 to stab him. The other two pulled him back, cuffed 0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:25.799 him to the bedposts. The music was so loud that 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.720 nobody could hear him screaming. He gets up and looks 0:52:29.719 --> 0:52:32.319 out the window. He shakes by the blinds. He didn't 0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:35.240 want to, but his body he can't explain it. Benson 0:52:35.320 --> 0:52:38.719 encourages him. He yelled and screamed no and threatened to 0:52:38.760 --> 0:52:40.960 call the cops. And then one of them said what 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:43.400 she said at the top of the episode, which I 0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:43.879 didn't sit. 0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:44.720 I don't know. Whatever. 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:47.279 She goes, what you know about the law wouldn't fit 0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:51.000 in the palm of her hand, or would fit I 0:52:51.000 --> 0:52:54.440 think it's would fit. Yeah, whatever, she says this to 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.600 the detectives earlier, so I think, you know, Pam Adler, 0:52:57.800 --> 0:53:04.520 Amelia Chase suddenly there. They're seeming more suspicious, so yeah, 0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:08.360 what you know would fit in the palm of my hand. Okay, bitch. 0:53:08.480 --> 0:53:11.920 So Pam Adler was in the bedroom, so Amelia Chase 0:53:12.040 --> 0:53:14.160 has to be the third person. So there's a full 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.160 team meeting in. Stabler is still saying he's an actor. 0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:20.000 I don't believe it. He's making this up, and Benson 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.279 seems like the only one really fighting for him, and 0:53:22.360 --> 0:53:24.959 Craigan says it's lineup time. So they bring in Chase 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.440 and Adler and Munch and Finner at the fancy office 0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:30.040 and Amelia is hard at work with a view. She 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:34.680 has a secretary. Oh there's an orchid. There's a little ponytail. 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:37.840 But they want her downtown now for a lineup. She 0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:40.440 of course doesn't want to. They of course threatened to 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:44.319 come back during busy trading hours. So she goes in. 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:47.480 Adler is in a walk and talk with men in suits. 0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:50.719 There's giant columns. Benson and Stabler are there to grab her, 0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:52.600 and she thinks she's gonna, you know, go to court, 0:53:52.640 --> 0:53:55.560 but they say no, you're in a lineup, babe. So 0:53:55.640 --> 0:53:57.600 she tells the other suit men like what to do, 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:00.960 and she has to go do this lineup. Carolyn Maddox 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:01.480 walks in. 0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:02.239 Okay, what is it? 0:54:02.600 --> 0:54:07.279 H pounder CC pounder pounder. Okay, so I got it 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:09.800 right but wrong, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:15.240 cch Carolyn Maddox walks in and shakes hands with Cabot. 0:54:15.560 --> 0:54:19.360 They have a lawyer SmackDown chat vibe. Maddox is impressed 0:54:19.360 --> 0:54:21.840 with Cabot and is like, Oh, this is gonna be fun. 0:54:21.880 --> 0:54:25.200 You're a formidable opponent. And I really like their dynamic 0:54:25.239 --> 0:54:28.520 throughout all this, Like they're just badass bitches who are 0:54:28.800 --> 0:54:30.919 who are excited to kind of brawl a little bit. 0:54:32.080 --> 0:54:32.319 Yeah. 0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:35.640 It's like this is the kind of female competition, healthy 0:54:35.680 --> 0:54:38.480 female competition that we like, not the kind where you 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:40.520 make a lot of money and then choke your friend out. 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:42.440 You know, we like these two. 0:54:42.480 --> 0:54:46.160 I think it's a good foil to the problematic group 0:54:46.239 --> 0:54:48.359 friend group that the poor victim was part of. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:52.799 Oh my god, you're right, you're so right. So it's 0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:56.279 lineup time. The women enter. He quickly goes number three. 0:54:56.560 --> 0:55:00.000 That's Adler. What I know about the law. Remember, yeah, 0:55:00.120 --> 0:55:03.080 we remember. So Benson says, jac I didn't say it 0:55:03.160 --> 0:55:06.319 up top, and I do regret it, but I don't 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:10.560 know whatever. Yeah, Benson says that's two for two, and 0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:12.960 Cabot says to read her or her rights and Benson 0:55:13.040 --> 0:55:15.799 goes to do them. Pounder's like, oh, hell yeah, get 0:55:15.840 --> 0:55:19.120 ready to be famous. See you in court. Cabot smirks. 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:21.960 So we're in court. The women approach with their lawyers. 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:24.960 The judge is also like, you know, this is an 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:27.640 unusual precedent. I'm not really I don't really get this, 0:55:27.960 --> 0:55:30.720 and Pounder goes, yeah, you know, this is about Cabot 0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:33.240 getting you know, her name in the paper. Cabot's offended, 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.920 and the judge goes, Okay, save your energy, dear, and 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:40.600 they're released on their own recognisance, which is like pretty wild, 0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:44.200 and it's you know, media stare time. And she says 0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.520 her only crime is being a confident sexual woman and 0:55:47.560 --> 0:55:50.279 that he is a fame hungry liar and she's a 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:53.680 professional and she's sexy, and that he's getting in the 0:55:53.719 --> 0:55:57.880 way of real victims of rape. So Maddox and Cabot 0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.680 walked down the stairs, fighting back and forth, thinks she's 0:56:00.719 --> 0:56:04.000 making a mockery of this and that this is awful 0:56:04.040 --> 0:56:07.040 towards real victims, and Kabbait goes, okay, so what is 0:56:07.080 --> 0:56:09.560 that going to be your closing argument? She says, this 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:12.280 isn't going a trial. I'll see you in chambers, lady, 0:56:12.640 --> 0:56:17.000 and hands her a paper. So we're in Norah Lewin's 0:56:17.040 --> 0:56:19.359 office and this is the DA and what do you know, 0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:20.640 it's Diane Weste. 0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:25.200 So that's pretty exciting. And she's only in a few svws. 0:56:25.520 --> 0:56:28.600 I know she's so yeah good. I feel like we 0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:31.680 were just talking about her. Yeah, I love Diane Wete, 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:32.480 Oh my god. 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:36.200 And so she's like, babe, don't you think you bid 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:38.680 off a little more than you can chew? I wish 0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:41.560 I did good impressions. I like her calming, soothing voice. 0:56:42.840 --> 0:56:44.520 But yeah, she's like, I think you bit off too much. 0:56:44.680 --> 0:56:47.160 You can chew With this high profile case. There's a 0:56:47.200 --> 0:56:49.640 man in a suit sitting down to and Diana is chic. 0:56:49.719 --> 0:56:52.839 She's in olive green, cute little glasses. So Kabak goes, 0:56:52.840 --> 0:56:54.279 what you don't want me to do this? She goes, 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:56.200 you can do it. But this man here in a 0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.400 suit stand he's going to be first chair and then 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.200 you guys will tag team. But of course is offended. 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:03.440 But Diane is like, listen, you have a personal history 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:06.359 with Pam Adler. It doesn't look good. Cabot's like, so what, 0:57:06.520 --> 0:57:08.440 I just lost the case to her, It does not 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:11.400 mean I have an agenda, and she's like, oh, just 0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:12.320 stop being naive. 0:57:12.320 --> 0:57:13.000 They'll use it. 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:14.920 So we need to make sure that our you know, 0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:17.680 that our witness gets the best he can and this 0:57:17.840 --> 0:57:20.880 duo is good. So now she shows them pounders paper 0:57:21.080 --> 0:57:24.040 and that they're challenging the law. So we run on 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:27.720 off to Judge Petrowski's office and the argument is that 0:57:27.800 --> 0:57:30.840 only men can be charged with rape one and that's 0:57:30.960 --> 0:57:36.240 gender bias. Maddox states that this bias can like was 0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:40.000 pointed out from a case by a wife raping convict 0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:42.920 trying to get out on appeal, and Cabot goes, yeah, 0:57:42.960 --> 0:57:45.360 but he didn't win his appeal, but it did change 0:57:45.400 --> 0:57:48.960 the law. Maddox responds, going, this is bs, so what's 0:57:49.040 --> 0:57:49.720 gonna happen? 0:57:50.280 --> 0:57:52.520 And that, by the way, that that case they're talking 0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.760 about is called people Versus Liberta and it's from nineteen 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.000 eighty four and I have looked it up and sadly 0:57:59.000 --> 0:58:01.120 there is no Wikipedia it, so I actually have to 0:58:01.160 --> 0:58:02.960 read like lost stuff, and I don't know how to 0:58:03.000 --> 0:58:05.720 do that very well. But I'm sure our lawyer girlies 0:58:05.720 --> 0:58:07.440 and boys know what I'm talking about. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:12.720 Yeah, the lawyer papers. It's just the level that I 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:16.320 can't really engage in. Petrovsky says, I want to hear 0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:18.720 everything about all this, so you know, we'll have a 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:20.720 little hearing. It'll be, but I need it to be 0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:23.320 diligent and brief. So we're in court for you know, 0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:26.280 a debate. Maddox, this is going to go back and 0:58:26.320 --> 0:58:28.520 forth for a while. I'm kind of annoyed. Okay, so 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:30.120 let's see if I could do it. 0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.360 Maddix says rape needs penetration, and so women can't do that, 0:58:34.400 --> 0:58:37.400 and Cabot says, hello, filating a man against his will 0:58:37.520 --> 0:58:40.920 can get a woman sodomy won, And Maddox goes, Nope, 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:44.040 I don't care. I think arousal equals consent, and Cabot goes, 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:48.680 physical signs don't hold more power than an audible no, and. 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:50.920 Put it on a T shirt. Put it on a 0:58:50.960 --> 0:58:55.160 T shirt. Maddix says, women don't rape, stop it, and 0:58:55.240 --> 0:58:57.200 Cabot's like, we thought it was wild for a mother 0:58:57.280 --> 0:58:59.600 to kill a child, but now it's the first person 0:58:59.640 --> 0:59:02.080 that we see suspect. And this goes on and on, 0:59:02.360 --> 0:59:04.640 Like I said, are women equal to men or are 0:59:04.640 --> 0:59:07.480 they not? So the motion is denied by Petrovsky and 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:10.400 we're going to court. So Cabot and the victim meet 0:59:10.520 --> 0:59:13.240 up and everyone hates him. They're chasing him down the streets, 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.960 harassing him. Scary, scary. Cabot says, yeah, and also, they're 0:59:17.000 --> 0:59:18.840 gonna dig into your past, so you need to tell 0:59:18.840 --> 0:59:21.959 me anything they might find. He goes, well, my dad 0:59:22.000 --> 0:59:24.840 said my passion be brought into the trial and Cabot's like, 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.720 shut up, your dad's a fucking moron. Now she goes 0:59:27.880 --> 0:59:29.919 it might not be allowed, but they're gonna find ways 0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:30.320 around it. 0:59:30.360 --> 0:59:32.280 And she's like, why are you so concerned? Is there 0:59:32.320 --> 0:59:34.840 something you haven't told me? And he goes no, no, no, 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:37.440 and then asks for a ride home because the vultures 0:59:37.440 --> 0:59:39.840 are out there. You know, there's a scene in BoJack 0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:45.120 Horse where Boja like he's getting mobbed by the press 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:48.360 and paparazzi and he goes, God, these vultures, but there's 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.080 two vultures hanging out drinking at the bar, and they're like, 0:59:51.400 --> 0:59:57.720 I'm sure he didn't mean us. It's really funny. Okay, 0:59:57.760 --> 0:59:59.960 So we're in court. A woman from the party is 1:00:00.080 --> 1:00:02.760 on the stand and she says that Peter arrived around ten. 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:03.520 He danced. 1:00:03.560 --> 1:00:07.160 There was money at basic strip time, but she didn't 1:00:07.200 --> 1:00:11.080 notice the defendants weren't there because she was preoccupied until 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:15.800 Sidney Green told everyone to leave. Adler and Amelia Chase 1:00:15.800 --> 1:00:18.800 are smug and they're grinning watching this and it's weird. 1:00:19.320 --> 1:00:21.640 The woman on the stand says, she goes, it's weird 1:00:21.640 --> 1:00:24.479 that Sydney kicks us out. You know, that doesn't really 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.919 happen often. And I thought it was rude, but now 1:00:26.960 --> 1:00:29.040 it makes sense. But it doesn't matter. I you know, 1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:31.160 I had to go home to the babysitter anyways. So 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:35.920 a relatable queen, and so the matto says, no questions, 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:38.480 no questions from the defense. Peter is now on the 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:41.680 stand and he talks about the letter opener and he 1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.160 thought she was too drunk but she couldn't get the weapon, 1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.560 and he still thought it was fine, but once he 1:00:46.680 --> 1:00:49.320 was being dragged like, he says, it's usually chill it's 1:00:49.400 --> 1:00:50.800 kind of what you were saying. He goes, sometimes the 1:00:50.800 --> 1:00:54.480 women get wild, it's a wild night, they grabby, grabby, 1:00:54.760 --> 1:00:56.760 But this was different because of the cuffing, and it 1:00:56.800 --> 1:00:59.720 happened really quick. Any points that Amelia Chase did the 1:00:59.760 --> 1:01:03.600 cuff So Pam Adler's trying is now trying to defend 1:01:03.680 --> 1:01:08.240 herself and question him. I believe that's bullying. Petrovsky is 1:01:08.520 --> 1:01:12.080 hissed and finds this repulsive Maddix. So all of them 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.240 come up to the judges stand and Maddox is like, 1:01:14.560 --> 1:01:16.280 I don't know, this seems fine to me, and Keab 1:01:16.320 --> 1:01:18.880 it's like this is an intimidation tactic on a rape 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:22.920 victim and interrupts an alleged rape. And the guy in 1:01:22.960 --> 1:01:26.040 the suit is also against this, but the judge has 1:01:26.120 --> 1:01:28.360 to allow it, like she is a lawyer and she 1:01:28.400 --> 1:01:31.320 does have a right to defend herself. So Judge Petrofsky 1:01:31.360 --> 1:01:33.320 points her finger at Pam and goes, if you cross 1:01:33.400 --> 1:01:35.840 the line at all, I will hold you in contempt. 1:01:36.320 --> 1:01:40.160 So she walks on over and asks Peter about him 1:01:40.160 --> 1:01:42.160 going to the gym, and like it's going to be 1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:45.280 the strong man defense and that he can protect himself. 1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:47.680 And she does have an evil vibe and dark eyes, 1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:53.480 and so then a bomb drops. She goes, did you 1:01:53.560 --> 1:01:57.000 file a civil suit for five million dollars against Sydney Green? 1:01:57.720 --> 1:02:01.040 He looks guilty, He's taken aback, even though Habit fucking 1:02:01.160 --> 1:02:04.880 warned him shifty, and so he says he needed information. 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.400 He does. He's like, that's not what it looks like, 1:02:07.720 --> 1:02:08.200 but he asks. 1:02:08.320 --> 1:02:10.880 He's forced to answer, and so Maddox leans forward with 1:02:10.920 --> 1:02:13.160 a grin, and you know, he goes, yeah, I did it. 1:02:13.640 --> 1:02:16.840 So she keeps saying alleged as well, and he screams, 1:02:16.880 --> 1:02:20.000 I didn't want money. I wanted names. Pam asks for 1:02:20.080 --> 1:02:25.200 immediate dismissal. Cabot is pissed. Her hair is very bouncy. 1:02:25.440 --> 1:02:28.000 Stabler is there with Peter and Cat and Cabot and 1:02:28.040 --> 1:02:31.360 they're screaming at him. They're like, you know, Stabler, suspicions 1:02:31.360 --> 1:02:34.400 were right. You blind signed us with the civil suit. 1:02:34.480 --> 1:02:38.040 He goes, I didn't think it mattered, and the suitman yells, 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:39.160 everything matters. 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:42.160 So what else did you lie about? He goes nothing. 1:02:42.400 --> 1:02:45.680 So now Benson is yelling too, and he's like, Stabler 1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.480 was on to me, and you know he wanted to 1:02:48.520 --> 1:02:50.600 drop it from the start, so I didn't want to 1:02:50.640 --> 1:02:53.640 say anything that would cause cause it, you know, all 1:02:53.680 --> 1:02:55.320 of you to think I just did it for the money, 1:02:55.600 --> 1:02:57.640 and Stabler goes, then what is it then? And he goes, 1:02:57.680 --> 1:03:00.280 I wanted my rapist names. Then the cops didn't help me, 1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:02.560 and I didn't know how else to get it. And 1:03:02.560 --> 1:03:05.200 they're like, but what if you did make money, He goes, 1:03:05.240 --> 1:03:08.080 I would donate it to the animal shelter. I need 1:03:08.120 --> 1:03:11.600 those rapist names. So the suitman's like, yeah, yeah, I 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:13.840 get it, but there's a jury and there's no way 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.680 to prove your intentions. Benson has an idea, let's get 1:03:17.680 --> 1:03:20.480 the civil lawyer to fill us in. So Stabler's an 1:03:20.480 --> 1:03:23.200 asshole though, and Peter goes, I was raped. What do 1:03:23.240 --> 1:03:26.800 you have against me? Sidney Green was coming forward. So 1:03:26.960 --> 1:03:30.360 her lawyer actually ended up calling Peter after he was 1:03:30.360 --> 1:03:33.320 accused of killing her, and he said, Sydney agreed to 1:03:33.360 --> 1:03:35.840 give me the names, but the death nullified the suit, 1:03:36.360 --> 1:03:38.960 so what did he do wrong? And everyone is silent 1:03:39.400 --> 1:03:41.840 because he should have said that as well, like that 1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.360 she was going to talk and everything. Benson walks into 1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:46.760 the main office area Hubbub and says Peter was telling 1:03:46.800 --> 1:03:49.280 the truth. The lawyer said he didn't want the money, 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:52.040 just the names, and the day before her death, she 1:03:52.160 --> 1:03:54.960 contacted the lawyer to set up a meeting to come forward. 1:03:55.400 --> 1:03:58.400 So that sounds like a motive for murder. So the 1:03:58.440 --> 1:04:01.640 girls could have killed her. But you know, science did 1:04:01.640 --> 1:04:04.840 say self inflicted. But Melinda's back from the conference. Oh 1:04:04.880 --> 1:04:10.360 thank god. She says, Justin's a good pathologist, but not 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:14.760 very imaginative, and female autoerotics are very rare, and he 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.919 missed something. It is a murder, she says, Well, most 1:04:17.960 --> 1:04:21.600 women don't use porn. They fantasize, and auto eroticism is 1:04:21.640 --> 1:04:24.960 addicting and habitual, so there would have been signs like 1:04:25.000 --> 1:04:27.240 there would have been a lot of scarves and silk 1:04:27.320 --> 1:04:29.920 to help, you know, with the rope chaf and women 1:04:29.960 --> 1:04:32.720 who do this often were turtlenecks and scarves to cover 1:04:32.800 --> 1:04:36.160 the scars. And she says that the knots were done 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:39.560 by a pro so someone that practices this. And so 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:41.520 they have to go back and look at the crime scene. 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:45.240 So they're there, you know, the powerful three, Melinda Benson, Stabler, 1:04:45.280 --> 1:04:46.840 and they're going to try to solve the crime and 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:50.760 nail some evidence, so they start improvising a scene. Benson 1:04:50.800 --> 1:04:52.600 climbs on the bed trying to get a look on 1:04:52.640 --> 1:04:55.920 the fan. There's dust on the ceiling and she goes, fuck, 1:04:56.000 --> 1:04:58.600 they didn't dust for Prince. They only dust by the fan. 1:04:59.080 --> 1:05:01.840 Melinda shakes her head. I guess she can't go anywhere. 1:05:02.320 --> 1:05:08.240 So now the not novak aaka Amelia Chase and her 1:05:08.320 --> 1:05:12.880 lawyer are in cement room bar and Cabot is walking 1:05:12.920 --> 1:05:15.720 in ready to drop the bomb. She says, your client 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:18.840 is under arrest for the murder of Sydney Green, so 1:05:18.920 --> 1:05:21.640 plead out to murder too, and she testifies against Pam 1:05:21.640 --> 1:05:23.200 Adler and she can get twelve and a half for 1:05:23.240 --> 1:05:25.960 the murder in seven to fifteen for the rape. The 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:29.840 lawyer is sarcastic, like, well, great deal. But the prints 1:05:29.840 --> 1:05:32.440 are brought up, so suddenly the stakes are higher and 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:34.640 he's like, you know they're friends, and Cabot goes, the 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:38.240 prints were on the ceiling above the bed, babe, and 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:40.760 we also searched your client's home and we found a 1:05:40.800 --> 1:05:44.080 bunch of choking shit. And then Kabba goes, why don't 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.560 you remove your scarf from your neck? And she knows 1:05:46.640 --> 1:05:49.000 the jig is up, so she shuts up her little 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:52.040 lawyer and she goes squeeze those numbers. I need a 1:05:52.080 --> 1:05:55.080 better sentence. But she does agree to like flip on 1:05:55.120 --> 1:05:57.880 Pam Adler. So Cabot goes tell me about the rape 1:05:58.120 --> 1:06:00.680 and it cuts to her on the STA So I 1:06:00.720 --> 1:06:04.440 really like this editing. So first she says she hated 1:06:04.480 --> 1:06:08.600 Sydney Green's fiance, that he was beneath her, and Pam 1:06:08.640 --> 1:06:10.600 goes up to her at the party and says that 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:14.000 she made an arrangement with the stripper. She also confirms 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:16.439 the story that of you know, we've heard from Peter 1:06:16.600 --> 1:06:18.960 this whole time, and she also added that at the 1:06:19.040 --> 1:06:21.680 end she threw cash at him and Maddox tries to 1:06:21.720 --> 1:06:25.080 get her, but Amelia Chase was there, so how could you? 1:06:25.600 --> 1:06:29.960 And Amelia admits to like handcuffing him and that sends 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:33.840 off Maddox like exactly you raped him and blah blah blah, 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:37.280 and she really loses it here, is getting really heated 1:06:37.520 --> 1:06:40.080 and then brings up like, well you like, are you 1:06:40.120 --> 1:06:42.240 guys rapist or you guys just this sounds like a 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:45.480 satisfied customer. She told you there was a deal in place. 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:48.000 She threw the money at him, like what are you saying? 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:50.640 So that's the end of the trial and we are 1:06:50.720 --> 1:06:56.200 now at what is it verdict? Yeah, verdict, So rape 1:06:56.280 --> 1:07:00.200 not guilty, sodomy not guilty, unlawful imprisonment not guilty, which 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:03.320 is fucked up. He was handcuffed against his will, assault 1:07:03.400 --> 1:07:07.520 in the third degree guilty, and yeah, Adler hugs her lawyer. 1:07:07.600 --> 1:07:10.000 Cabot says, I'm sorry, Peter, we didn't get them both. 1:07:10.360 --> 1:07:13.760 He says, well, one is better than none. Alex congratulates 1:07:13.760 --> 1:07:15.960 Maddox and says, I didn't get the ruling I wanted. 1:07:16.040 --> 1:07:18.920 Maybe next time, and she walks off. She As she 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:22.200 walks out of the courtroom, she like signals and walks 1:07:22.200 --> 1:07:26.080 away into the distance and the press mob Pam Adler 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:29.280 camera lights everything. Then Stable and Benson come in and 1:07:29.400 --> 1:07:32.600 arrest her for the murder of Sydney Green. Stabler's cuffing her. 1:07:32.680 --> 1:07:35.480 She says, I'll beat this charge to counselor, and Cabot 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:38.200 is not worried. Maddox turns to her and says, I 1:07:38.200 --> 1:07:40.480 guess next time is now? Want to go get a drink? 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:45.160 Cabot says twenty five and Maddox responds sixteen, and you 1:07:45.200 --> 1:07:47.760 pick up the bar tab Cabot goes, are you crazy? 1:07:47.840 --> 1:07:49.720 She would only get twelve? I'm not doing that. 1:07:49.840 --> 1:07:51.840 And they're like friends and I like that, and they 1:07:51.880 --> 1:07:54.640 walk off into the bar and I hope this bitch 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:57.440 is found guilty for murder and. 1:07:57.400 --> 1:07:58.560 I both got the tracks. 1:07:58.640 --> 1:08:01.640 Though, is like making a deal before she even knows 1:08:01.680 --> 1:08:05.160 a single minute of like the actual case, Like does 1:08:05.200 --> 1:08:08.080 she know if they have a case what? Like I 1:08:08.080 --> 1:08:11.640 guess she probably knows that they have Amelia, so whatever, but. 1:08:11.840 --> 1:08:15.640 They have Amelia, And I wonder if you know her 1:08:15.680 --> 1:08:18.799 prints were found anywhere. I am shocked that the unlawful 1:08:18.800 --> 1:08:23.360 imprisonment was not guilty, like he was handcuffed against I 1:08:23.400 --> 1:08:23.880 don't get that. 1:08:24.360 --> 1:08:27.880 Yeah, I would like to see a fun like night 1:08:27.920 --> 1:08:32.400 out at a bar that's like cch Pounder, Elizabeth Marvel, 1:08:32.960 --> 1:08:37.200 all the female defense attorneys that are like crushers, you know, 1:08:37.360 --> 1:08:43.800 like even you know Natalie Natalie Cole has only one episode. 1:08:43.240 --> 1:08:43.960 But she's good. 1:08:44.360 --> 1:08:48.679 We got Viola Davis can come, Yeah, Viola Davis, Glenn Headley, 1:08:48.760 --> 1:08:51.200 We get all the female das to come in there. 1:08:51.280 --> 1:08:54.639 I mean defense attorneys come in there and uh really 1:08:54.800 --> 1:08:57.760 throw down and drink some pino and noiter okay for. 1:08:58.680 --> 1:09:00.280 All the women, and then all the men do a 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:05.160 tug of war. I'd like to see that too, Buchanon, 1:09:05.560 --> 1:09:07.400 All right, tell us about these crimes. 1:09:07.479 --> 1:09:08.280 Let's get pissed. 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:20.040 So this case is wild, wild, wild, Please everybody listen up, 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:22.799 because I've never heard of this, and this is like truly, 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:25.720 the details are out of control. It's the case of 1:09:25.760 --> 1:09:29.559 the manacled Mormon, which is a crime that happened in 1:09:29.600 --> 1:09:33.400 the seventies. So in September of nineteen seventy seven, a 1:09:33.520 --> 1:09:38.320 nineteen year old Mormon missionary named Kirk Anderson goes missing 1:09:39.000 --> 1:09:41.280 in Surrey in England, Okay. 1:09:41.960 --> 1:09:44.519 And at first this like barely made a blip on 1:09:44.560 --> 1:09:45.120 the news radar. 1:09:45.200 --> 1:09:47.040 Apparently there was like a lot of other stuff going 1:09:47.040 --> 1:09:49.519 on at the time, and so news, you know, and 1:09:49.560 --> 1:09:52.160 in the UK tabloids were like at a high at 1:09:52.160 --> 1:09:54.320 this time, but there was other stuff going on, and 1:09:54.360 --> 1:09:56.800 so nobody really cares about like a missing Mormon. And 1:09:56.800 --> 1:09:59.439 then the details emerged and this became one of the 1:09:59.439 --> 1:10:03.439 biggest void obsessions and people were obsessed. So Kirk had 1:10:03.439 --> 1:10:06.559 apparently been taken right off the steps of a church 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:09.280 of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. If you've seen 1:10:09.320 --> 1:10:11.479 Book of Mormon, I can all I ever think of 1:10:11.640 --> 1:10:14.320 is like the Church of Jesus Christ of. 1:10:14.280 --> 1:10:16.760 Latter day Saints. So and a guy. 1:10:16.840 --> 1:10:19.320 It was a guy named Keith May who took him. 1:10:19.360 --> 1:10:22.280 And Keith was twenty four years old, so allegedly he 1:10:22.360 --> 1:10:25.200 pretended to be an investigator for the Mormon church, used 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:29.280 a fake gun and chloroformed him and kidnapped him. Three 1:10:29.360 --> 1:10:32.240 days later he was freed and when and he told 1:10:32.240 --> 1:10:34.839 police that he had been taken to a cottage in Devon, 1:10:35.400 --> 1:10:38.320 chained to a bed, and a woman named Joyce McKinney 1:10:38.360 --> 1:10:41.720 had tried to seduce him and ultimately raped him, like 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:42.679 multiple times. 1:10:43.160 --> 1:10:45.519 And now this woman was not unknown to him. 1:10:45.600 --> 1:10:48.880 He and Joyce had actually previously met in Provo, Utah, 1:10:49.160 --> 1:10:52.599 where after she converted to Mormonism, she had moved and 1:10:52.680 --> 1:10:54.760 she had been trying to weasel her way into the 1:10:54.800 --> 1:10:58.240 Osmond family. Okay, she'd been trying to figure out who 1:10:58.280 --> 1:11:00.160 she could become friends with. I don't even know any 1:11:00.200 --> 1:11:03.000 of the other Osmond's besides Donnie and Marie, but apparently 1:11:03.000 --> 1:11:05.280 there was like some other off brand Ozmond that she 1:11:05.520 --> 1:11:08.280 was trying to start a relationship with and she eventually 1:11:08.320 --> 1:11:10.120 kind of had a friendship with him, but like I guess, 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:12.360 the mom Osmond was like, oh, fuck, no, this lady 1:11:12.400 --> 1:11:14.960 seems bunkers, like, get her out of here. So the 1:11:15.000 --> 1:11:18.040 Osmond situation did not pan out for her. And later 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:22.719 she met Kirk and he is nineteen and she's twenty five, 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:25.839 and they start dating. She says she lost her virginity 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.519 to him. She also later claims she became pregnant from 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:32.400 the relationship, but had a miscarriage. Kurt felt immense guilt 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:36.519 that they had sexual, you know, relations because of religion, 1:11:37.000 --> 1:11:39.920 and he confessed to the quote unquote elders of the church, 1:11:40.360 --> 1:11:42.639 and they put a stop to the relationship. They shipped 1:11:42.680 --> 1:11:44.519 Kirk's a little butt right off over to England to 1:11:44.600 --> 1:11:47.880 keep doing his missionary work. And this made Joyce Like 1:11:48.000 --> 1:11:52.000 Joyce did not like the reaction of the church, and 1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:54.600 you know what, she lost her faith. She quit Mormonism, 1:11:54.800 --> 1:11:57.960 but she couldn't quit Kirk. Okay, she followed him around 1:11:58.040 --> 1:12:00.519 the US before he had gotten shipped off off, to 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.840 the point that at one point he was living under 1:12:02.880 --> 1:12:06.439 an assumed like a different name to avoid her then 1:12:06.479 --> 1:12:09.439 when he went to England, she hired a detective to 1:12:09.479 --> 1:12:10.120 find him. 1:12:11.080 --> 1:12:14.920 Okay, she's in love and obsessed. I mean, it's not funny. 1:12:14.920 --> 1:12:16.200 If it was a man, we'd be like, this is 1:12:16.240 --> 1:12:18.439 a psychostalker, and that is what I feel about her, 1:12:18.479 --> 1:12:20.639 But it is. It's just funnier for some reason because 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:23.479 of the situation. But we shouldn't be laughing because that's 1:12:23.479 --> 1:12:26.479 the whole point of the episode. So she somehow teamed 1:12:26.560 --> 1:12:28.240 up with this Keith may dude. I don't know how 1:12:28.240 --> 1:12:29.760 they know each other. I don't know what his stake is. 1:12:29.760 --> 1:12:32.240 I don't know if she's promising him money. There's like 1:12:32.320 --> 1:12:36.000 really not that much info about this, except there is 1:12:36.000 --> 1:12:38.040 a documentary that I'll talk about later, but I didn't 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:38.679 get a chance. 1:12:38.520 --> 1:12:38.920 To watch it. 1:12:39.280 --> 1:12:42.479 They flew to England to get her man, Okay, her 1:12:42.520 --> 1:12:45.320 and Keith. So Keith kidnaps Kirk, like we talked about, 1:12:45.400 --> 1:12:48.280 brings him to the cottage, and allegedly the reason that 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:50.040 she kept him there for three days and was like 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:52.599 raping him repeatedly was she was attempting to get pregnant 1:12:52.600 --> 1:12:55.559 with his child. She claimed that tying him up was 1:12:55.640 --> 1:12:57.400 just a game and that it was to get him 1:12:57.439 --> 1:13:00.599 to chill out about his religious guilt around sex and 1:13:00.640 --> 1:13:02.200 that it was consensual. 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:06.400 But Kirk very much claims he was assaulted. After three days, 1:13:06.400 --> 1:13:08.960 they just allowed him to leave, which is wild. And 1:13:09.000 --> 1:13:12.360 then Joyce and Keith were just arrested immediately and they 1:13:12.400 --> 1:13:15.160 were held in prison for three months. In that time, 1:13:15.920 --> 1:13:19.640 Joyce was desperate for press, Like she would call newspapers, 1:13:19.680 --> 1:13:22.479 she would talk to them about sex and blowjobs and 1:13:22.520 --> 1:13:24.559 all this shit. And she was like this cute, horny, 1:13:24.560 --> 1:13:27.000 blonde woman with a Southern accent. So the Brits were 1:13:27.320 --> 1:13:28.160 going wild. 1:13:28.560 --> 1:13:30.120 If you've seen that video where the girls are like, 1:13:30.400 --> 1:13:32.559 I get die in for it, that's what it reminds 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:32.840 me of. 1:13:33.000 --> 1:13:35.559 They are dying for this woman. They love her. 1:13:35.880 --> 1:13:38.720 The prosecution argued that she was a stalker, which I mean, 1:13:38.800 --> 1:13:44.160 that's really adding up in court kirk Anderson's account read quote, 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:46.920 she grabbed my pajamas from just around my neck and 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:49.160 tore them from my body. The chains were tight and 1:13:49.200 --> 1:13:51.960 I could not move. She proceeded to have inner Kirk course, 1:13:52.040 --> 1:13:53.840 I did not want it to happen. I was very 1:13:53.920 --> 1:13:57.800 upset end quote. There's also I should mention like the 1:13:57.840 --> 1:14:00.719 defense is trying to act like this is impossib again 1:14:00.800 --> 1:14:04.799 because a previous relationship. And also he was weighed somehow 1:14:04.920 --> 1:14:06.880 somewhere in the mid two hundreds. She weighed somewhere in 1:14:06.880 --> 1:14:09.040 the mid one hundreds. How is this possible? But it's 1:14:09.040 --> 1:14:11.559 like they used chloroform, she had a male accomplice, Like, 1:14:11.640 --> 1:14:15.799 it's not impossible. Joyce's statements to the court included quote, 1:14:15.840 --> 1:14:18.959 I loved Kirk so much that I would have skied 1:14:19.000 --> 1:14:21.400 down Mount Everest in the nude with a carnation up 1:14:21.400 --> 1:14:23.720 my nose. That's like a famous quote of something she 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.240 said about how much that she would do anything for him, 1:14:26.240 --> 1:14:29.200 including skiing down Mount Everest naked with a carnation upper nose. 1:14:29.760 --> 1:14:31.519 If that's giving you any idea of what's going on 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:36.080 upstairs with this lady. So the tabloids are obsessed eating 1:14:36.080 --> 1:14:38.280 this up This becomes a huge tabloid story. And this 1:14:38.320 --> 1:14:40.880 is in the late seventies, and then in twenty ten, 1:14:41.320 --> 1:14:44.080 Errol Morris, who's a famous documentarian who made The Thin 1:14:44.160 --> 1:14:47.519 Blue Line, He's made a lot of other documentaries, he 1:14:47.560 --> 1:14:51.439 made a documentary about her called Tabloid. So the tabloids 1:14:51.439 --> 1:14:53.400 were loving it, but the courts were not as charmed 1:14:53.400 --> 1:14:55.519 by her and the case was going to trial, but 1:14:55.640 --> 1:14:57.240 this time she was granted bail. 1:14:57.439 --> 1:14:58.920 So it's like after the she was held in jail 1:14:58.960 --> 1:14:59.400 for three months. 1:14:59.439 --> 1:15:00.880 Then I think there was like I don't know, English 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:05.240 court proceedings, there was some kind of initial court proceedings, 1:15:05.280 --> 1:15:07.320 maybe like the equivalent of a grand jury or something, 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:09.839 and then after the court case was going to trial, 1:15:10.200 --> 1:15:14.639 she was granted bail. And under the Sexual Offenses Act 1:15:14.680 --> 1:15:17.040 of nineteen fifty six, which was being enforced in the 1:15:17.120 --> 1:15:20.160 UK at the time, no crime of rape was deemed 1:15:20.200 --> 1:15:22.920 to have been committed since the victim was mail. However, 1:15:23.000 --> 1:15:26.000 indecent assault of a man is a charge that did 1:15:26.080 --> 1:15:28.160 apply to her, So that's like what she was going 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:31.000 to trial for, not even rape much like in the US, 1:15:31.120 --> 1:15:33.600 like until you know it was I don't think it 1:15:33.640 --> 1:15:37.679 was specifically said, but like at some point, you know, 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:40.320 the courts had to accept it. But I don't know 1:15:40.360 --> 1:15:42.120 if it was like specifically ever in law that you 1:15:42.160 --> 1:15:44.200 couldn't rape a man, but it was in the UK. 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:47.519 She used her time out on bail to cash in 1:15:47.600 --> 1:15:50.080 on the newfound fame. Okay, she went around to all 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:52.479 these newspapers. She was kind of paitting newspapers against each 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:55.439 other trying to sell her story, and the newspapers had 1:15:55.479 --> 1:15:58.160 like different There's like a lot of legal mumbo jumbo 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:02.200 about which newspapers could actually a story by her because 1:16:02.880 --> 1:16:05.320 to not be considered interfering with the trial, you know. 1:16:05.920 --> 1:16:10.080 And so she ended up attending a premiere of a 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:12.519 movie called The Stud that was based on a Joan 1:16:12.560 --> 1:16:15.400 Collins book, and she showed up with this journalist in 1:16:15.439 --> 1:16:16.160 a Rolls Royce. 1:16:16.240 --> 1:16:18.160 It was like a whole thing. She was photographed. 1:16:18.479 --> 1:16:20.800 And then I have to read this section from the 1:16:20.880 --> 1:16:24.000 article in the Guardian because it's very wild. Okay, I'm 1:16:24.000 --> 1:16:26.200 just gonna read it verbatim because I can't paraphrase it 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:27.280 any better than they wrote it. 1:16:27.840 --> 1:16:28.240 Quote. 1:16:28.280 --> 1:16:31.400 Within days of the Stud premiere, McKinney had vanished. She 1:16:31.439 --> 1:16:33.599 didn't turn up at the police station as required by 1:16:33.600 --> 1:16:36.560 her bail agreement. Instead, with the help of her landlady, 1:16:36.680 --> 1:16:39.120 whom she had charmed to her cause, she and May 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.320 assumed the identities of two dead Mormons and slipped out 1:16:42.360 --> 1:16:44.599 of the country in disguise, pretending to be a pair 1:16:44.640 --> 1:16:45.479 of deaf mutes. 1:16:46.479 --> 1:16:47.200 End quote. 1:16:47.760 --> 1:16:50.679 I don't think this woman could do a British accent 1:16:50.760 --> 1:16:52.599 or whatever. I think they were like, if she talks, 1:16:52.640 --> 1:16:55.760 everyone will know it's her. She's been giving so many interviews, 1:16:55.960 --> 1:16:58.919 so let's make her a deaf mute. And she escaped 1:16:59.040 --> 1:17:01.680 back to the US, and apparently the British courts were 1:17:01.680 --> 1:17:05.280 basically in no mood. Much like Stabler. The British courts 1:17:05.280 --> 1:17:07.439 were like, okay, let's let it go. Like they were 1:17:07.479 --> 1:17:09.320 just not in a mood to continue with the trial, 1:17:09.400 --> 1:17:13.040 to extradite them back to England anything. So these people 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:17.439 kind of just like didn't get any punishment. Two years later, 1:17:17.439 --> 1:17:20.719 in July nineteen seventy nine, Keith and Keith and Joyce 1:17:20.720 --> 1:17:23.200 were both arrested by the FBI on charges of making 1:17:23.240 --> 1:17:25.920 false statements in order to obtain passports, and they both 1:17:25.920 --> 1:17:28.920 got suspended sentences. So it's like even the FBI have 1:17:29.120 --> 1:17:31.120 them and was like, you guys aren't allowed to lie 1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:34.040 to get passports or whatever, and that was it. Two 1:17:34.120 --> 1:17:37.800 papers ended up publishing her story. One gave an account 1:17:37.960 --> 1:17:40.120 that she gave them and it's like the photo on 1:17:40.160 --> 1:17:43.519 the cover is like her and it's like the love 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.240 of her life. It's like this they're trying to make 1:17:45.280 --> 1:17:47.920 it this like romantic story about her being just like 1:17:48.000 --> 1:17:50.160 trying to get the man of her dreams. And I 1:17:50.160 --> 1:17:51.800 think she's holding a flower or something. 1:17:51.840 --> 1:17:54.080 On the cover. It's like very demure. She's wearing a turtleneck. 1:17:54.320 --> 1:17:57.559 Another paper posted a photo of her like naked, lying 1:17:57.600 --> 1:18:01.599 on her stomach, very like playboy pin up, like sexy 1:18:01.680 --> 1:18:03.920 nude photo, and it talked all about her secret life 1:18:03.960 --> 1:18:06.400 as an escort and all this stuff. When she found 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:09.000 out about the second one, she went ballistic. She had 1:18:09.000 --> 1:18:12.640 to be taken to a hospital and sedated. So you know, 1:18:12.800 --> 1:18:15.519 there's all this going on about this. And then in 1:18:15.600 --> 1:18:18.639 nineteen eighty four, Joyce was arrested at the Salt Lake 1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:22.840 City Airport where Kirk Anderson worked. This is five years later. 1:18:22.920 --> 1:18:25.599 She's still obsessed with this guy. She's stalking him, even 1:18:25.640 --> 1:18:28.680 though at this point he's married and has children. When 1:18:28.720 --> 1:18:31.280 they checked her car, they found handcuffs, rope, and a 1:18:31.280 --> 1:18:34.960 notebook detailing all his movements. She insisted that she had 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:37.200 driven to the Salt Lake City Airport to book a flight, 1:18:37.240 --> 1:18:39.600 but they later discovered that she had driven thousands of 1:18:39.640 --> 1:18:43.120 miles from North Carolina, which was her home state. So 1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:46.280 it's very much giving the astronaut lady with the diaper, 1:18:46.400 --> 1:18:49.160 you know what I mean. Like, this woman's driving across 1:18:49.200 --> 1:18:52.000 the country to like stalk this man at his airport job. 1:18:52.520 --> 1:18:56.120 In twenty ten, she does the tabloid documentary that I mentioned, 1:18:56.120 --> 1:18:58.320 but she did not like the way it turned out. 1:18:58.640 --> 1:19:01.759 You know, she showed up to screenings all over the US. 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:04.000 She showed up to more screenings than Errol Morris showed 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:06.879 up to. Then she protested a movie that she'd willingly 1:19:06.920 --> 1:19:10.360 participated in. She'd show up at screenings all over the country. 1:19:10.400 --> 1:19:12.600 She'd go in disguise. And then she told the New 1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:15.720 York Times quote, I sat till the audience started to 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:18.360 leave and waited for the precise moment, and then jumped 1:19:18.400 --> 1:19:21.840 up and yelled, I'm Joyce McKinney. And the New York 1:19:21.880 --> 1:19:24.800 Times notes that she says it with considerable glee, and 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:27.680 then Joyce says, they went crazy. So this woman is 1:19:27.920 --> 1:19:30.559 obsessed with fame and attention. Whereas I don't think our 1:19:30.640 --> 1:19:34.320 victim in the episode wanted fam and attention, this woman 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:37.640 very much wanted it. In twenty sixteen, she tried to 1:19:37.720 --> 1:19:41.120 sue Errol Morris, saying he'd misrepresented her and that members 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:44.040 of the She claimed that members of the production had 1:19:44.080 --> 1:19:47.120 broken into her home and threatened the life of her 1:19:47.160 --> 1:19:50.600 service dog if she did not release the footage. She 1:19:50.640 --> 1:19:53.280 did not sign release papers allowing them to use footage 1:19:53.280 --> 1:19:57.519 for the film. It doesn't get any better from here. Like, 1:19:57.800 --> 1:20:00.000 I think she has mental health issues. In twenty nineteen, 1:20:00.320 --> 1:20:02.200 she was unhoused and living in her car in the 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:05.280 San Gabriel Valley around LA We are a magnet for 1:20:05.560 --> 1:20:09.720 the mentally unwell here in Los Angeles, and sadly she 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:12.080 was arrested for the hit and run of a Holocaust 1:20:12.160 --> 1:20:16.920 survivor in valley village, which is a wild kind of 1:20:17.120 --> 1:20:21.760 end to the story. This poor man named Jennety Blotsky 1:20:22.120 --> 1:20:25.120 was ninety one years old, had fled the Holocaust to 1:20:25.240 --> 1:20:27.439 Ukraine and had come to the state, had literally come 1:20:27.479 --> 1:20:29.880 to the States, had escaped all kinds of and then 1:20:29.920 --> 1:20:33.960 gets mowed down by this crazy lady in her car. 1:20:34.080 --> 1:20:38.240 It's really tragic and a sad story. And you know, 1:20:38.400 --> 1:20:40.760 his family was like I wish she had the decency 1:20:40.800 --> 1:20:42.719 to stop and not leave him dying in the street, 1:20:42.760 --> 1:20:45.240 because she did drive away, but they did get her, 1:20:45.320 --> 1:20:47.680 and the last stuff I could find about her was 1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:50.559 that like she was going to trial in twenty twenty, 1:20:50.600 --> 1:20:54.280 I think for that, but I'm imagining she's incarcerated or 1:20:55.040 --> 1:20:58.400 in a mental health facility. And then yeah, eventually, Anthony 1:20:58.439 --> 1:21:00.880 Delano did write a book about this whole thing called 1:21:01.000 --> 1:21:03.400 Joyce McKinney in the case of the manacled Mormon. 1:21:04.880 --> 1:21:11.920 So that's the story of Joyce, very very a very wild. 1:21:11.640 --> 1:21:16.680 One that was insane, Kara, I know, I know, I 1:21:16.720 --> 1:21:21.679 mean the amount of twists and turns. This woman also, 1:21:21.840 --> 1:21:25.759 like really I think loved the attention that the British 1:21:25.800 --> 1:21:27.680 tabloids were giving her and was just like. 1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:29.639 Eating that up. And then I think she thought that. 1:21:29.640 --> 1:21:31.879 The documentary would do that, and then when she realized 1:21:31.880 --> 1:21:34.559 I think that it made her look a little bit unwell, 1:21:34.960 --> 1:21:37.240 she protested it, but then that God was trying to 1:21:37.240 --> 1:21:40.800 give her more attention as well. And I don't know, 1:21:41.880 --> 1:21:44.519 seems like she probably had a diagnosis from a younger 1:21:44.560 --> 1:21:47.080 age that she was this obsessed with this man who 1:21:47.120 --> 1:21:49.599 she had a brief relationship with and followed him across 1:21:49.720 --> 1:21:55.880 literally oceans disguises I mean and disguises and smuggling out 1:21:55.880 --> 1:21:58.120 of the country. I mean, I also have to like, 1:21:58.160 --> 1:21:59.960 I also have to believe that in like the late seventies, 1:22:00.120 --> 1:22:03.320 there was way less TSA like no TSA like no, 1:22:04.000 --> 1:22:06.519 you know, easier to forge documents. You could walk people 1:22:06.560 --> 1:22:09.080 like onto the plane back in the day, you know, like, 1:22:09.400 --> 1:22:11.320 have you ever heard this story? Molly Shannon tells a 1:22:11.360 --> 1:22:13.120 story one time about how she just got on a 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.439 plane going the wrong to the wrong place as a kid, 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:17.639 like when she was ten. I was like, I don't 1:22:17.640 --> 1:22:20.000 think that that kind of stuff can really happen anymore, 1:22:20.040 --> 1:22:22.240 although you hear the you do hear the odd story 1:22:22.240 --> 1:22:26.280 about that happening. But yeah, that's that on that And 1:22:26.800 --> 1:22:31.679 we have an amazing guest coming up, a return guest 1:22:31.800 --> 1:22:32.840 that we're very excited about. 1:22:32.920 --> 1:22:43.040 So don't go anywhere our guest today. You know her, 1:22:43.120 --> 1:22:43.559 you love her. 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:46.960 She's a deep friend of the pod and an SVU regular. 1:22:47.240 --> 1:22:50.240 She's also been on shows like The Following and NCIS, 1:22:50.640 --> 1:22:54.320 as well as Circle of Deception on Lifetime, but she's 1:22:54.360 --> 1:22:57.680 best known as Assistant District Attorney Casey Novak. Today is 1:22:57.720 --> 1:23:01.559 her first SVU appearance, where she portrays lawyer Amelia Chase. 1:23:02.200 --> 1:23:05.600 Please enjoy our conversation on her return to the podcast 1:23:05.760 --> 1:23:09.240 with Diane Neil Okay, so Diane is back. 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:10.639 We are so excited. 1:23:10.680 --> 1:23:13.040 I just listened to our first we had you back 1:23:13.160 --> 1:23:16.639 episode thirteen, No, and this is going to be our 1:23:16.680 --> 1:23:18.560 episode in a like the one nineties. 1:23:18.880 --> 1:23:22.559 So it's really crazy. Yes, we had you on so early. 1:23:22.640 --> 1:23:25.320 You were like one of our first big gets, and 1:23:25.360 --> 1:23:25.880 now you're back. 1:23:25.960 --> 1:23:28.160 It's a kind thing to say, big gain. That's a 1:23:28.240 --> 1:23:29.679 kind thing to say, is we're really. 1:23:29.760 --> 1:23:33.080 Happy to have you back. Well, then you're sore only 1:23:33.400 --> 1:23:36.680 live show guest. Yes, I was going to say, really. 1:23:37.400 --> 1:23:40.000 That night was so much fun. 1:23:40.640 --> 1:23:42.080 What was that early twenty twenty two? 1:23:42.640 --> 1:23:46.320 I think so the beginning of twenty two January twenty two, 1:23:46.320 --> 1:23:48.760 we had you on stage blowing the minds of four 1:23:48.800 --> 1:23:50.360 hundred and fifty people that did not know that you 1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:51.320 were going to be on the show. 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:52.639 It was in New York. 1:23:53.040 --> 1:23:55.960 It was a highlight, a career highlight for me for sure. 1:23:57.000 --> 1:23:59.280 And then you dropped a lot of fun. 1:23:59.080 --> 1:24:06.160 Tea about about Chester Lake and Dan Craig like flor sorry, I. 1:24:06.160 --> 1:24:06.920 Think do you remember me? 1:24:07.000 --> 1:24:08.760 Afterwards, I'm like, wait a minute, is this gonna Are 1:24:08.800 --> 1:24:10.080 you gonna play this as an episode? 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:11.479 You guys like no, Like. 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:14.840 Yeah, So now we just tell people live show to 1:24:14.960 --> 1:24:16.840 live show. We just tell them, like it's like a 1:24:16.880 --> 1:24:19.320 secret game and telephone where we just tell people. So 1:24:19.360 --> 1:24:21.679 it's gonna get totally mutated at some point. 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:25.360 Yeah, you're gonna pick it up and be like Diane 1:24:25.479 --> 1:24:28.680 Neil talking trash. That's messed up. 1:24:28.840 --> 1:24:33.120 I always think when people are like trash, I'm like, no, no. 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:37.400 Yeah, yeah. 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:39.920 If you didn't want people talking trash, you shouldn't have 1:24:39.960 --> 1:24:40.959 done something trashy? 1:24:42.400 --> 1:24:44.160 How about that? How about that? 1:24:45.200 --> 1:24:48.479 This episode, though, is ridicule all the way back season three. 1:24:48.920 --> 1:24:51.880 I mean truly, We do like to tell people how 1:24:52.000 --> 1:24:54.160 close episodes are to nine to eleven. This is three 1:24:54.200 --> 1:24:57.000 months after nine to eleven, this episode, and it is 1:24:57.040 --> 1:25:01.600 our first spotting of Diane Neil as a young Amelia Meliat, 1:25:02.120 --> 1:25:07.360 not Casey Novak Amelia Chase, a high powered finance bitch 1:25:07.360 --> 1:25:09.439 who just wants to make money and stick it to 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:10.040 the dude at. 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:10.840 Age twenty two. 1:25:11.560 --> 1:25:14.639 My friend, you guys, like, I'm sure you know Melissa Joanhart, 1:25:14.640 --> 1:25:17.040 who's actually six months older than I am, and we're buddies, 1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:20.599 and it's hilarious because she's like, she's like, why do people. 1:25:20.400 --> 1:25:21.760 Always think you're really old? 1:25:21.800 --> 1:25:23.600 And I'm like, well, I've been playing someone in my 1:25:23.680 --> 1:25:26.240 forties since I was in my ear like twenty yeah, 1:25:26.360 --> 1:25:29.000 and she's like, yeah, I've been playing teenagers since I 1:25:29.040 --> 1:25:31.160 was in my twenties, like Sabrina the Teenage, which she 1:25:31.280 --> 1:25:32.320 was never a teenager. 1:25:32.640 --> 1:25:35.439 Like she was like, yeah, it's. 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:37.320 It's so funny because, like, you know, you've posted some 1:25:37.360 --> 1:25:39.720 of your old modeling pictures online and stuff, and like 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:42.519 you look the same as you do in ridicule, but 1:25:42.600 --> 1:25:45.320 with a turtleneck and a scarf and a blazer. It's 1:25:45.320 --> 1:25:48.320 like that the wardrobe really does help, like your hair 1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:52.120 up in like a little you know, twist and then 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:54.840 like a sort of a I don't want to say 1:25:54.840 --> 1:25:57.080 casual corner because I'm sure you were paying more money 1:25:57.080 --> 1:25:59.559 for these suits the character, but you know what I mean, 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:02.760 like these these really bland suits. Yeah, I thought you 1:26:02.800 --> 1:26:05.800 were in your mid right early to midy' you. 1:26:05.840 --> 1:26:07.880 Know, because the neckerchief just says I know how to 1:26:07.880 --> 1:26:08.679 tie a square enot. 1:26:09.120 --> 1:26:11.400 I feel like that's always an adult thing, Like. 1:26:11.400 --> 1:26:13.720 I slash, I like to maybe have a little bit 1:26:13.720 --> 1:26:16.360 of uh run in the bedroom. Yeah. 1:26:16.479 --> 1:26:21.920 Yeah, if anybody is listening, that is a longtime listener. 1:26:22.000 --> 1:26:24.480 You will remember we talked to Diane about the episode Serendipity, 1:26:24.520 --> 1:26:27.040 but we did touch on ridicule, but we never talked 1:26:27.120 --> 1:26:32.040 about You're like this scene where Stephanie Marsch is like 1:26:32.080 --> 1:26:34.599 making you the offer and you're like, I'll be getting 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:37.680 a senior citizen's discount, no way, Like because they want to. 1:26:37.680 --> 1:26:40.559 They want to offer you like seven for the for 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.599 the rape and then like fifteen for the murder. I'm 1:26:43.680 --> 1:26:45.800 so young, fuck you yeah, and then they make you 1:26:45.880 --> 1:26:47.000 take off the scarves. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:53.200 I'm sure you're crazy about that episode. And I didn't 1:26:53.240 --> 1:26:55.679 notice at the time, but it was have you guys, 1:26:55.720 --> 1:26:58.080 you guys heard that we shoot tandem episodes right like 1:26:58.120 --> 1:27:01.000 an s few, So when you're kind of running behind 1:27:01.040 --> 1:27:03.320 on schedule, you'll shoot two episodes at the same time. 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:07.639 They'll hire a whole second crew and then like you'll 1:27:07.640 --> 1:27:11.080 get That's why you'll see some episodes where like Marishka 1:27:11.160 --> 1:27:13.640 was in one and some of the guest stars and 1:27:13.640 --> 1:27:15.360 then like Chris is in that and you don't really 1:27:15.439 --> 1:27:18.800 see except them like one scene anything or. 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:20.040 You know, like Kelly get I should be over he 1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:20.360 or something like that. 1:27:20.400 --> 1:27:22.360 It's because they're shooting two episodes at the same time, 1:27:23.040 --> 1:27:26.679 and so the reason why Chris and Marishka were barely 1:27:26.840 --> 1:27:30.439 in Ridicule is because they were in a tandem, so 1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:32.320 they were on another set and so it was mostly 1:27:32.360 --> 1:27:35.559 like Stephanie Marsh and me on that set. Yeah wow, 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:37.040 which is why they're barely in that one. But I 1:27:37.040 --> 1:27:38.519 didn't know at the time. I'm like, wait, they're the 1:27:38.560 --> 1:27:40.680 stars of the show. I'm like, I haven't even seen them. 1:27:40.720 --> 1:27:40.880 Man. 1:27:41.640 --> 1:27:44.000 Well, also, you probably didn't know that you'd be taken 1:27:44.040 --> 1:27:45.200 over for Stephanie March. 1:27:45.320 --> 1:27:48.599 No, never in my wildest names. And what I always 1:27:48.640 --> 1:27:50.880 think is funny is that people think, like. 1:27:51.080 --> 1:27:54.640 Did anyone notice that Diane was a rabbis And I'm like, yeah, 1:27:54.720 --> 1:27:58.000 every care Kelly Gintish was in episodes before Iced Tea 1:27:58.160 --> 1:28:00.800 was like, that's how they would find people, Like yeah, 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:02.320 pay like the people. 1:28:02.080 --> 1:28:06.280 Will write us so many shocked. I just saw Scanavino 1:28:06.479 --> 1:28:08.880 as a as a as a drug addict or something, 1:28:08.920 --> 1:28:11.280 and I'm like, yeah, that's they find them somehow. 1:28:10.960 --> 1:28:13.320 Right, That's how they do it. That's how they do it. 1:28:13.400 --> 1:28:15.920 So it's wild. So everyone's like, oh, that here they did, 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:17.640 did you know? And I'm like, you know, they did 1:28:17.640 --> 1:28:19.360 that with everyone. It wasn't just me, they did that 1:28:19.360 --> 1:28:19.839 with everyone. 1:28:20.040 --> 1:28:22.679 Yeah, so I'm trying to make this game happen. 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:24.559 We'll see if it happens. I'm stealing it from Watch 1:28:24.600 --> 1:28:25.679 What Happens Live. 1:28:25.960 --> 1:28:30.920 But uh I will Yes, but you actually watched the 1:28:30.920 --> 1:28:33.160 Sandra Bernhardt episode she was on a few weeks ago, 1:28:33.280 --> 1:28:37.400 because so I guess you know, they're doing audience questions 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:39.639 and someone asks, like, how was it with Morgan Fairchild 1:28:39.760 --> 1:28:42.720 being on Rosanne and first Lesbian Kids? She goes, Honestly, 1:28:43.560 --> 1:28:46.000 I was awful to her on set. We were all awful. 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:48.559 None of us respected her. We were terrible to her. 1:28:48.600 --> 1:28:51.559 And I apologize. She was ahead of her time, she 1:28:51.760 --> 1:28:54.719 was incredit and like does kind of a two minute apology, 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:58.599 wow for being rude on set like thirty years ago 1:28:58.840 --> 1:29:04.320 for her, Like yeah, like Morgan responded and everything, and 1:29:04.360 --> 1:29:05.439 she's like, yeah, they were mean to me. 1:29:05.560 --> 1:29:09.840 They're horrible, horrible, They're horrible, but like good for I mean, 1:29:09.840 --> 1:29:10.920 like good for both of them. 1:29:11.400 --> 1:29:15.360 Do you do you remember anybody ever have being mistreated 1:29:15.360 --> 1:29:17.000 on the set of SVEW. I know the answer is 1:29:17.000 --> 1:29:19.280 going to be no, because everybody always says how nice 1:29:19.280 --> 1:29:21.559 the set is, but I'm just oh wondering if the 1:29:21.560 --> 1:29:24.120 Morgan fair Child ties back yard. Yes, because everybody we 1:29:24.280 --> 1:29:26.519 talked to is like, what a fun set, so amazing. 1:29:26.600 --> 1:29:27.880 Oh maybe somebody was a jerk, and. 1:29:28.320 --> 1:29:31.160 Well, I have to be honest, Okay, every actor will 1:29:31.200 --> 1:29:34.439 tell you that because they want to work again, like 1:29:34.560 --> 1:29:35.760 for real, like that. 1:29:35.920 --> 1:29:37.920 It doesn't matter how awful it is, It. 1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:43.599 Doesn't matter how mean. It doesn't nobody cares, Like nobody 1:29:43.600 --> 1:29:46.040 says anything. It's just kind of like this unspoken rule 1:29:46.080 --> 1:29:51.599 that nobody says anything negative. And uh yeah, no, there's 1:29:51.640 --> 1:29:54.200 always there's always something interesting on every set. 1:29:54.240 --> 1:29:57.160 So it's not specific to SBU, but it's wild. 1:29:56.920 --> 1:29:58.800 Like on shows that you've been on for a long time, 1:29:58.880 --> 1:30:00.640 you'll be on other shows someone will come up to 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:02.400 me and be like, oh my gosh, that was the 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:03.880 worst experience of my life. 1:30:04.080 --> 1:30:05.880 X and Y and Z. They were awful. They made 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:06.720 me cries in. 1:30:06.680 --> 1:30:11.559 The bathroom or oh my god, they I'll just so 1:30:11.880 --> 1:30:13.640 I had I can't believe I'm telling you guys this, 1:30:13.680 --> 1:30:16.040 But who cares cause everyone like it's funny. I've actually 1:30:16.120 --> 1:30:19.800 never said anything negative about anyone because to me, it's 1:30:19.800 --> 1:30:21.200 like those were my college years. 1:30:21.200 --> 1:30:21.760 It's my fun. 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:24.240 It's like, you know, my family, like I loved everyone, 1:30:24.680 --> 1:30:27.280 and and people always pretend like there's some kind of 1:30:27.320 --> 1:30:30.519 beef and there's no beef. But I definitely had a 1:30:30.560 --> 1:30:34.200 full bar in my dressing room and I don't drink. 1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:36.759 It was for I would have them put guest stars 1:30:36.800 --> 1:30:38.880 in the room next to me so if I could 1:30:38.920 --> 1:30:41.960 hear them crying, I'd go over and say it's okay. Man, 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:45.559 and I had come on over house have a drink, 1:30:45.600 --> 1:30:47.519 and I would give a speech. I had the same 1:30:47.600 --> 1:30:49.800 speech for everybody, and I meant it. I'm like, you 1:30:49.840 --> 1:30:52.840 know what, I'm like, I love my job and I 1:30:52.920 --> 1:30:55.680 get paid no matter what we do, one take or 1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:57.080 two hundred takes. 1:30:57.320 --> 1:31:00.160 I'm okay with it. I'm getting paid. I'm here. I 1:31:00.200 --> 1:31:00.559 love it. 1:31:00.600 --> 1:31:02.840 You want to run lines off camera, you don't know 1:31:02.840 --> 1:31:05.200 what you're doing. You're freaked out. I'm like, it's okay, 1:31:05.280 --> 1:31:07.400 Like you can ask me anything you need me. Because 1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:08.519 a lot of time and I think I told you 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:11.519 guys this time. It's really hard. Like if you're one 1:31:11.560 --> 1:31:13.680 of those people playing a victim on the stand, you 1:31:13.720 --> 1:31:16.200 have to go from like zero to one hundred in 1:31:16.280 --> 1:31:20.479 one second and I tried to explain to people what 1:31:20.640 --> 1:31:22.640 acting really is. You always have these moments where you're 1:31:22.680 --> 1:31:26.120 really in it, and then there are times where you realize, oh, 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:30.000 I'm just an idiot lady on a floor, sobbing was 1:31:30.240 --> 1:31:33.519 not coming out of my nose surrounded by men in 1:31:33.560 --> 1:31:36.160 their fifties in shorts. You know, like that's really what 1:31:36.200 --> 1:31:38.760 you're doing, right, Because you get like two hundred people 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:41.120 in the crew, it's always usually like dudes wearing cargo 1:31:41.200 --> 1:31:45.080 shorts and you're just some idiot flooring. You know, deep 1:31:45.080 --> 1:31:46.680 in this, and when you really think about what you're doing, 1:31:46.760 --> 1:31:49.760 you're like, uh, yeah, someone wants Peter Reager in an 1:31:49.760 --> 1:31:53.320 episode of SCU He's like, acting is just deciding how 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:55.960 much of your own humiliation you want to participate in. 1:31:56.400 --> 1:31:57.880 I was like, that's really good. That's good. 1:31:58.439 --> 1:31:59.320 Yeah. Wow. 1:31:59.360 --> 1:32:00.599 So they have to so a lot. 1:32:00.520 --> 1:32:02.000 Of times off camera I'm like, hey, if you need 1:32:02.040 --> 1:32:04.640 me to yell at you and scream at you and 1:32:04.680 --> 1:32:07.519 stay stuff like off camera like you're a terrible mother 1:32:07.600 --> 1:32:09.600 and nobody likes you, you know whatever. So most of 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:13.040 the time off camera I am with their permission or 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:15.200 if they've asked me, giving them the what for and 1:32:15.200 --> 1:32:17.080 then when you turn around to like my coverage, I'm like, 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:18.160 where were you Tuesday? 1:32:18.320 --> 1:32:20.200 You know you saw out of the way. 1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:23.960 I'm just just screaming and those things that, like, you 1:32:24.040 --> 1:32:26.519 know that, I'd be like, okay, what's the thing You're 1:32:26.560 --> 1:32:29.200 most vulnerable. They're like, I'm worried about being a bad mom. 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:30.800 I'm like, all right, you want me to give it 1:32:30.840 --> 1:32:32.360 to you, I'll give it to you. You know, you suck 1:32:32.360 --> 1:32:36.320 because you're not home with your children, you know, like 1:32:36.360 --> 1:32:40.559 whatever they needed cheers, cheers, and I was like. 1:32:40.600 --> 1:32:42.680 I'm I'm here no matter what. I love it. 1:32:42.840 --> 1:32:45.599 So we had two listeners. Actually I have it right now. 1:32:45.840 --> 1:32:49.479 They gifted me and Kara tearsticks away. That's awesome. 1:32:50.720 --> 1:32:54.719 That's awesome because we love talking to people about crying 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:56.400 and stuff because like some people have told us that, 1:32:56.479 --> 1:32:59.200 like Marishka has pulled them aside and been like, you're 1:32:59.200 --> 1:33:01.200 gonna get there. You got to cry on this next 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:02.760 take and I know you can do it, and this 1:33:02.840 --> 1:33:05.599 and that and like and it's it. We always ask 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.479 people like, how did you get from like you said, 1:33:07.600 --> 1:33:10.519 zero to sixty, like, so from you know to bawl 1:33:10.600 --> 1:33:13.880 and crying, like, especially with all these people standing around 1:33:13.920 --> 1:33:17.200 you waiting for it right like like tapping their watches 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:18.439 and then right now for action. 1:33:18.520 --> 1:33:20.640 You know, it's just loud and noisy, and people are 1:33:20.680 --> 1:33:23.559 farting and moving around and eating donuts and it's like 1:33:23.600 --> 1:33:25.840 it's mayhem and then all of a sudden go you know. 1:33:26.040 --> 1:33:28.559 So it's yeah, it's a it's a tough thing for 1:33:28.600 --> 1:33:30.880 people to play, but I loved it. But yeah, no 1:33:30.960 --> 1:33:34.760 it and especially with the subject matter, I always felt 1:33:34.760 --> 1:33:36.920 bad for like the kids. I'm like, especially the ones 1:33:36.960 --> 1:33:38.800 on the stand, little kids, and I'm like, uh, do 1:33:38.840 --> 1:33:39.920 you know what we're talking about? 1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:42.000 Do you have a therapist? Are you okay? 1:33:42.439 --> 1:33:43.040 Yeah? No. 1:33:43.400 --> 1:33:45.439 Tomorrow was just telling us about We talked to her 1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:47.640 about the specific episode where a kid was supposed to 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:49.519 be like dead under a sheet in the morgue and 1:33:49.560 --> 1:33:53.000 like she saw him shaking. She saw him shaking under 1:33:53.000 --> 1:33:54.599 the sheet and when she pulled it back, he was 1:33:54.600 --> 1:33:56.639 crying and she was like, can somebody get his mom? 1:33:56.720 --> 1:33:59.799 Like buddy, you know, like it is like it sounds 1:33:59.800 --> 1:34:02.680 like really kind of like even though you could be explained, 1:34:02.720 --> 1:34:04.400 it's fake and this and that it's like you hear 1:34:04.479 --> 1:34:07.479 adults screaming at each other in this one, you know. 1:34:07.520 --> 1:34:09.160 And then there's a thing that happens all the time. 1:34:09.160 --> 1:34:10.880 I know this sounds really stupid, but even happened on 1:34:11.000 --> 1:34:12.920 like ncis a lot of times we just forget that 1:34:12.960 --> 1:34:14.880 someone was playing a body and you like break for 1:34:14.960 --> 1:34:17.240 lunch and they're just like laying you know, with like 1:34:17.280 --> 1:34:19.839 a pair of panties double stick tape to their ankle 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:24.519 at Central Park and like everyone's gone, sorry, oh my god, 1:34:24.800 --> 1:34:27.680 totally unintentionally, just everyone just kind of wanders off like 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:31.440 guice lunch, go break, Yeah, and they're like, hello. 1:34:31.520 --> 1:34:35.679 Hello, wait, let's do this game that I'm I'm trying 1:34:35.680 --> 1:34:39.120 to make happen. We'll see if it ever happens. So 1:34:39.280 --> 1:34:41.960 I'm gonna like give little categories and then you choose 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:50.000 between Dan Florax, hold On, Marishka, Christopher Maloney, Beady Wong. 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:52.080 By the way, has Beatie been on? 1:34:52.880 --> 1:34:57.080 Oh yeah? Okay, good Johnny, Yeah okay. 1:34:57.080 --> 1:35:00.519 And we just talked to Danny Pino recently, Kay, oh wait, 1:35:00.680 --> 1:35:04.560 why is it? Or bells er lunch basically, or I 1:35:04.680 --> 1:35:07.200 see any of like the regulars that you work, got 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:08.800 to like any of the regulars. 1:35:09.080 --> 1:35:15.320 Yeah, Floric Tony, I wrote Novak l O L. March Yeah, 1:35:15.479 --> 1:35:18.439 Hargeay Maloney Wong. Well, you sort of vote for yourself 1:35:18.479 --> 1:35:19.839 if you think you're the person. 1:35:20.320 --> 1:35:22.280 Yeah. Who is the best gift giver? 1:35:22.840 --> 1:35:29.439 Oh wow? Ice? Definitely Ice and Coco. 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:33.880 For my thirtieth birthday, I kid you not, this was 1:35:33.920 --> 1:35:35.880 one of the greatest things in the world, because you know, 1:35:35.920 --> 1:35:38.240 Ice was so these giant diamond studs in his ear 1:35:38.920 --> 1:35:41.439 and I was always like, what cop can afford those? 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:41.760 Right? 1:35:41.800 --> 1:35:44.720 But whatever, like those are amazing, And so he asked 1:35:44.760 --> 1:35:47.280 me one day, He's like, did anyone ever buy you diamonds? 1:35:47.280 --> 1:35:48.599 And I was like no, and he's like, what about 1:35:48.640 --> 1:35:50.120 your engagement right, I'm like, oh, that was a gift 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:53.479 from my grandmother to my husband. And so for my 1:35:53.479 --> 1:35:56.760 thirtieth birthday, he and Coco got me diamond studs. 1:35:57.439 --> 1:35:59.200 Oh my god. Yeah wow. 1:35:59.280 --> 1:36:01.519 And then and then I wrote him a really heartfelt 1:36:01.520 --> 1:36:03.320 thank you note and he thought it was a love letter. 1:36:03.360 --> 1:36:05.200 I'm like, you don't get thank you notes that much 1:36:05.240 --> 1:36:07.720 to you. It's just a thank you know. 1:36:08.360 --> 1:36:12.040 He's like, Diane, we're just calling you're beautiful, but it 1:36:12.040 --> 1:36:15.639 could never be anything like no, no, no, no, I'm like, okay, 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:21.320 most likely to be late, who was always running late. 1:36:23.479 --> 1:36:29.920 Oh okay, see busy lady, Kara, do you want to 1:36:29.960 --> 1:36:32.840 do the next one? Okay, okay, this one's tough because 1:36:32.840 --> 1:36:37.160 I feel like there's a lot of competition in this field. Funniest, 1:36:37.520 --> 1:36:42.080 oh man, oh you're at Belser, but you got Ice, 1:36:42.479 --> 1:36:47.679 you got Florac is funny at Maloney So oh man, 1:36:47.880 --> 1:36:50.640 that is so hard because Ice has that weird, like 1:36:51.040 --> 1:36:51.960 subtle humor. 1:36:52.439 --> 1:36:54.360 And he would just say stuff he didn't know was funny. 1:36:54.360 --> 1:36:56.479 I think I told you last time when when I 1:36:56.520 --> 1:36:58.080 was trying to decide whether to get an account not 1:36:58.479 --> 1:36:59.920 and he said, yeah, just be the only one that's 1:37:00.200 --> 1:37:02.040 your own checks yea, and that at the very end 1:37:02.120 --> 1:37:04.000 you tell people have three hours of advice. He was 1:37:04.040 --> 1:37:06.439 like that way when they kidnap you, they can't kill you, 1:37:06.479 --> 1:37:10.759 and like he meant it, and I was just like, sorry, well. 1:37:10.560 --> 1:37:12.920 That's what I was gonna say. Maybe not funniest. Who 1:37:13.000 --> 1:37:15.280 made you snort the most? Who has made you do 1:37:15.400 --> 1:37:16.080 your little snorts? 1:37:16.160 --> 1:37:16.360 Well? 1:37:16.400 --> 1:37:17.920 So like Chris would do all this stuff for me 1:37:18.000 --> 1:37:20.679 from like Harold and Kumar, you know, he'd be like, Randy, 1:37:20.840 --> 1:37:21.719 what did the devil? 1:37:21.840 --> 1:37:23.599 What Crystal Math? Everywhere. 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:25.600 You know, like Chris would always make me laugh and 1:37:25.600 --> 1:37:27.400 do funny things, and even to this day, I think 1:37:27.479 --> 1:37:30.719 I told you anytime he's with the wet, hot American 1:37:30.800 --> 1:37:33.600 summer people, like, yeah, he tends me pictures of like 1:37:33.720 --> 1:37:36.720 yeah him with like Paul Rudd and mixed vegetables. So 1:37:37.200 --> 1:37:39.519 like he was hilarious in the way that I think 1:37:39.640 --> 1:37:43.080 is funny. D Florek was like dirty funny, like in 1:37:43.120 --> 1:37:46.439 that you know what I mean, like hilariously dirty funny. 1:37:46.640 --> 1:37:47.360 Oh my gosh. 1:37:47.400 --> 1:37:51.280 But then Bells ares like classically stand up funny, right. 1:37:51.560 --> 1:37:54.360 Yeah, but yeah, it's a tough fun It's a tough fun. 1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:57.080 I think Chris would make me snort the most, for sure, 1:37:57.600 --> 1:37:59.800 because it was always unexpected to because he's like he 1:37:59.840 --> 1:38:02.760 has such intensity, and then you know, on a time 1:38:02.840 --> 1:38:03.479 he'd switch and. 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:03.800 Be like he. 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:12.800 Wow, yeah, okay, one good one best drunk oh floor 1:38:13.240 --> 1:38:17.720 Oh absolutely, oh so funny, a tough, full sober guy 1:38:17.800 --> 1:38:21.080 as a character. But then after but then in real life, oh. 1:38:21.000 --> 1:38:26.320 Yes, definitely some cast party hilarious stories. But there there 1:38:26.360 --> 1:38:27.880 there have been more than one time. So when I 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:29.840 finally started, because after a couple of years, you want 1:38:29.840 --> 1:38:32.000 to drive yourself, right, because in New York, you get 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:34.320 driven to set, and so Ice and I would be 1:38:34.360 --> 1:38:35.679 the only people that would drive yourself. 1:38:35.720 --> 1:38:37.400 So but I s would be driving like his Bentley 1:38:37.479 --> 1:38:38.320 or his Rolls Royce. 1:38:38.360 --> 1:38:41.080 And I bought myself like a fully we got paid different, 1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:46.040 like a fully loaded Jetta, like a brand So and 1:38:46.080 --> 1:38:48.000 then you know, to be respectful, you always check with 1:38:48.040 --> 1:38:50.799 the teamsters first, because you don't want to do something 1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:52.519 that will make a teamster lose their job. 1:38:52.720 --> 1:38:55.679 Right in New York. Oh, so I'd still get driven 1:38:55.720 --> 1:38:57.440 on the location, which was great. 1:38:57.200 --> 1:39:00.000 But going to going to Set, I would drive my 1:39:00.120 --> 1:39:03.920 Jetta and and then I would always you know, I 1:39:03.920 --> 1:39:06.080 didn't drink, so I'd always be the desidated driver for 1:39:06.120 --> 1:39:09.360 like everybody all the time. And there were times that, 1:39:09.600 --> 1:39:11.160 you know, I'd be in the car driving from a 1:39:11.200 --> 1:39:13.400 cast party and I'm like is that is that Dan? 1:39:13.960 --> 1:39:16.080 And he'd be like, give me a ride home? Like 1:39:16.160 --> 1:39:18.439 I left downtown, he was like Upper east Side. He'd 1:39:18.520 --> 1:39:20.800 just jump in the back of the car and be like, hey, 1:39:20.840 --> 1:39:22.120 can we have some burgers? 1:39:22.160 --> 1:39:22.719 I'm like what? 1:39:23.120 --> 1:39:25.000 And I'm like, are you getting a paper back there? 1:39:25.040 --> 1:39:28.839 I'm like, I'm not your amazing drunk. My favorite drunk. Absolutely, 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:30.519 Oh my god, I love yeah. 1:39:30.560 --> 1:39:33.840 So good and like obviously you know, only at like parties. 1:39:33.840 --> 1:39:35.280 It wasn't like he was an alcoholic. 1:39:35.520 --> 1:39:38.200 Sure he wasn't like like in the middle of. 1:39:38.120 --> 1:39:39.599 A site, it's not a problem drinker. 1:39:39.640 --> 1:39:41.400 But yeah, some of those parties, like the amount of 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:43.040 times I'm like, are you gonna puke back there? 1:39:43.040 --> 1:39:45.880 I'm like, I just got a detailed We. 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:49.800 Tried to ask Tomara about the Christmas parties and we 1:39:50.160 --> 1:39:51.680 she said that they were fun, but we didn't really 1:39:51.720 --> 1:39:52.680 get much else out of her. 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:54.920 Any other juice on the Christmas parties. 1:39:54.680 --> 1:39:57.160 Were always they were they were messy, and then I 1:39:57.160 --> 1:40:00.519 always made sure like whatever whatever party. 1:40:00.560 --> 1:40:02.200 So there were times it. 1:40:02.160 --> 1:40:04.519 Happened a lot that people would be like, oh, production 1:40:04.600 --> 1:40:06.360 doesn't have enough money for a party this year, right, 1:40:06.439 --> 1:40:09.679 So I'd be like, whatever, I'll pay for the party, Like, well, 1:40:09.720 --> 1:40:12.439 like we'll have fun. And I always knew it was 1:40:12.479 --> 1:40:15.760 a good time, so if people went to the emergency room, 1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:18.800 so like like Marishka's bridal shower that I threw. First 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:20.439 of all, it was the most amount of money I'd 1:40:20.439 --> 1:40:23.120 spend on anything in my life. Like I was like, 1:40:23.160 --> 1:40:25.760 I don't have twenty five when except my house, Like 1:40:25.840 --> 1:40:28.599 I didn't even know it was, but I think three 1:40:28.640 --> 1:40:30.040 people went to the emergency room. 1:40:30.080 --> 1:40:31.760 Like it was a good party, you. 1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:34.479 Know, like no cameras, that's her bridle shower, you know, 1:40:34.560 --> 1:40:36.439 this was her bridal shower. Yeah, Like so I read 1:40:36.479 --> 1:40:38.320 it out a little restaurant. It got real messy. It 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:39.920 was all the girls from like the crew, and we 1:40:40.040 --> 1:40:43.720 just got things happened and then things like other ones 1:40:43.760 --> 1:40:49.920 if people got pregnant. I'm like, that was a good party. 1:40:50.160 --> 1:40:51.920 And that happened a couple of times. So there are 1:40:51.920 --> 1:40:56.080 a couple of people who are still married and at 1:40:56.120 --> 1:40:58.400 some of the parties hooked up for the first time. 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:01.880 And then since I would I would drive to work. Yeah, 1:41:02.160 --> 1:41:04.160 I remember once it was hilarious. I'm not going to 1:41:04.200 --> 1:41:05.760 say who, but it may have been someone for the 1:41:05.800 --> 1:41:08.040 makeup department it was and someone that I think is 1:41:08.080 --> 1:41:12.080 still a producer, and they hooked up at one of 1:41:12.080 --> 1:41:15.040 the parties for the cast and crew that I threw 1:41:15.800 --> 1:41:18.040 and I saw them in the car in front of 1:41:18.040 --> 1:41:19.880 me and I was like, ah, at a stop, I'm like, 1:41:19.880 --> 1:41:22.200 I can't believe these two are they how do they 1:41:22.240 --> 1:41:23.840 know each other. They live near each other, and then 1:41:23.840 --> 1:41:25.720 I saw them at the stop like lean over and 1:41:25.760 --> 1:41:29.360 make out. I was like, no, oh my god, that's 1:41:29.360 --> 1:41:30.160 the best gossip. 1:41:30.240 --> 1:41:32.439 Like I worked on a set once where like I 1:41:32.479 --> 1:41:34.800 was an assistant, I was hooking up with another assistant, 1:41:34.840 --> 1:41:36.920 but then one of the directors was hooking up with 1:41:36.960 --> 1:41:40.240 the head costumer. They are currently married, half kids together. Oh, 1:41:40.400 --> 1:41:44.439 Like it was always the best gossip. You're like, you two, Like, yeah, 1:41:44.479 --> 1:41:46.000 I love set gossip like that. 1:41:46.120 --> 1:41:48.480 One of them, I think he's still were the producers 1:41:48.479 --> 1:41:50.040 and and they're married with two kids. 1:41:50.040 --> 1:41:51.360 But like, yeah, that kind of thing would happen all 1:41:51.400 --> 1:41:51.639 the time. 1:41:51.680 --> 1:41:53.880 But so love because you've. 1:41:53.760 --> 1:41:55.799 Got to be professional during the day, and those parties 1:41:55.840 --> 1:41:58.080 are kind of the only opportunities. 1:41:57.400 --> 1:41:59.040 To be Like how do you feed? 1:41:59.240 --> 1:42:01.800 Yeah, everyone gets real messy. 1:42:01.880 --> 1:42:04.320 Yeah it was like super messy. But to me, that's 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:05.360 it's more fun. 1:42:06.000 --> 1:42:07.559 That's what the holidays are about. 1:42:07.640 --> 1:42:08.120 Exactly. 1:42:09.720 --> 1:42:13.439 Who would you like to go on vacation with the. 1:42:13.320 --> 1:42:14.639 Most bead. 1:42:16.080 --> 1:42:20.640 Oh good one didn't even hesitate. Didn't even hesitate, no, 1:42:20.920 --> 1:42:24.160 because he's I mean he's hilarious too. I mean that's 1:42:24.200 --> 1:42:28.200 the problem. He's hilarious, and you know we yeah, yes, 1:42:28.880 --> 1:42:31.800 bead absolutely, And I bet he likes to go to 1:42:31.880 --> 1:42:35.280 like classy places and he does and exotic places and 1:42:35.320 --> 1:42:37.519 you know he knows everything and like fine dining and 1:42:37.560 --> 1:42:39.679 you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to lift a finger. 1:42:39.720 --> 1:42:42.040 He'd be like, I made reservations here, I did this, 1:42:42.040 --> 1:42:43.639 this is amazing, this is where we're going. 1:42:43.960 --> 1:42:46.360 I've friended a yacht, you know, like okay. 1:42:46.240 --> 1:42:50.320 Yeah, okay, who do you think? 1:42:50.479 --> 1:42:51.479 I mean, this one. 1:42:51.520 --> 1:42:54.760 Feels pretty like there's an obvious maybe, but maybe it's 1:42:54.800 --> 1:42:57.679 not who's most likely to work out before getting to set? 1:42:57.960 --> 1:42:59.960 Oh, it's like one hundred percent mollow. 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:03.720 Yeah, didn't come out of nowhere set. 1:43:04.080 --> 1:43:06.160 So like on NC, I asked Michael Wetherley and I 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:08.719 plays to know though, Like we would half the time, 1:43:08.840 --> 1:43:11.240 like like my favorite person to work with on Earth 1:43:11.320 --> 1:43:15.360 is Michael, I mean insane, laughing, ruining every scene, pissing 1:43:15.479 --> 1:43:17.960 everybody off, and we. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:19.280 Would just we would do we could. 1:43:19.800 --> 1:43:21.840 We would spend half of our time doing impressions of 1:43:21.880 --> 1:43:25.040 Chris working out or stretching, like that was our favorite thing, 1:43:25.080 --> 1:43:26.360 and like we would tape it and like send it 1:43:26.360 --> 1:43:28.360 to him or like my favorite way that Chris would 1:43:28.360 --> 1:43:29.720 take down a purp because he always did it with 1:43:29.720 --> 1:43:33.040 these like weird straight hands. You know, he's like between 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:35.559 the arms and like it's just like when you watch it, 1:43:35.560 --> 1:43:37.320 it's just like it's so good, like. 1:43:37.320 --> 1:43:40.479 You know, just butt high end. Well it's so funny 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:42.800 because the show's been on forever. But like then the 1:43:42.840 --> 1:43:45.280 internet is like a little bit later, you know, so 1:43:45.479 --> 1:43:48.439 like the memes that come around now, like the one 1:43:48.479 --> 1:43:51.160 where there's one where I think it's from Serendipity actually 1:43:51.160 --> 1:43:53.040 where he's got the purp and he's like got those 1:43:53.040 --> 1:43:55.879 two butt like his butt cheeks or just like everybody 1:43:55.880 --> 1:43:58.120 suddenly was like, wow, who knew Stabler had these cakes 1:43:58.200 --> 1:44:01.439 or whatever? And then people post photos now of him 1:44:01.479 --> 1:44:04.680 just lunging on set like all the time, because now 1:44:04.720 --> 1:44:07.040 his butt has become its own character on the internet. 1:44:07.120 --> 1:44:09.000 Right, And he had like those muscle rollers, like he 1:44:09.080 --> 1:44:11.400 was always like just rubbing his muscles like dying. 1:44:11.600 --> 1:44:13.479 I mean it was constant. So yeah, you were right 1:44:13.520 --> 1:44:13.840 about that. 1:44:14.400 --> 1:44:16.680 Yeah, that one, I figure is like a pretty a 1:44:16.720 --> 1:44:17.439 pretty easy one. 1:44:17.479 --> 1:44:17.719 Okay. 1:44:17.840 --> 1:44:19.760 Next one is who do you who do you think 1:44:20.240 --> 1:44:23.040 stole the most from set? This isn't like in an 1:44:23.040 --> 1:44:25.440 illegal like way, but. 1:44:24.800 --> 1:44:29.639 Like pegs saying around, yeah, grab grab a like maybe 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:31.760 a shirt they wore in a scene, or like a 1:44:31.800 --> 1:44:34.160 couple of snacks from craft Services before they had out, 1:44:34.240 --> 1:44:38.960 or who knows, Oh, definitely bells here, like definitely like 1:44:39.439 --> 1:44:41.680 munchies and laziness, do you know what I mean? Like 1:44:41.720 --> 1:44:44.400 that he'd be like you'd see him at the craft 1:44:44.439 --> 1:44:47.880 services before going before going home, the first driver to 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:50.040 take him home, and it just like he's like, yeah, 1:44:50.160 --> 1:44:51.519 definitely good because you know he was like on the 1:44:51.520 --> 1:44:53.439 cover of High Times how many times, like he was 1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:57.200 the original stoner trying to like legalize it. Yeah, so 1:44:57.240 --> 1:45:01.880 he would just constantly like just snacks and yeah all 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:04.040 the time, drinks, beverages, whatever he was gonna want. 1:45:04.040 --> 1:45:06.120 But how does he memorize his lines or did he 1:45:06.200 --> 1:45:07.080 smoke weed after No? 1:45:07.360 --> 1:45:10.680 It was constant one of my favorite times. So and 1:45:10.800 --> 1:45:14.479 he would he would die laughing at this. So they 1:45:14.520 --> 1:45:17.080 put your marks down on the floor right with tape, 1:45:17.160 --> 1:45:20.280 right so you know where to stand. And every main 1:45:20.360 --> 1:45:22.120 character has like a different color. This is like on 1:45:22.160 --> 1:45:24.880 every show. So Maurscuz is pink, you know, Chris's was blue, 1:45:25.360 --> 1:45:29.880 mine was yellow, and Belzer's I think Belser's was green, 1:45:30.640 --> 1:45:33.519 and also sometimes to you do they have the big dollies, 1:45:34.160 --> 1:45:36.000 the dolly would have to move, so they'd make dolli 1:45:36.080 --> 1:45:39.960 marks for focus. And one day it was the coverage 1:45:40.520 --> 1:45:43.599 like they were trying to film Richard Belzer, but they 1:45:43.600 --> 1:45:46.800 made the dolli marks in green too, so they say 1:45:46.880 --> 1:45:49.720 action and he's just walking next to the camera, like 1:45:49.760 --> 1:45:51.559 he never gets on camera. 1:45:51.640 --> 1:45:52.760 He's just walking next to it. 1:45:52.800 --> 1:45:55.360 And they're like, Richard, those aren't your marks, that's for 1:45:55.479 --> 1:45:58.080 the dolly, like yours are over right here, and he's like, 1:45:58.120 --> 1:45:59.000 oh a little. 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:01.320 Too much today, I mean, like constantly. But it was amazing. 1:46:01.560 --> 1:46:03.800 He just was like walking, the camera's moving, he's moving 1:46:03.880 --> 1:46:05.920 right next to it, like he never appears on camera 1:46:06.080 --> 1:46:08.439 because they use the same color. So yeah, sometimes he 1:46:08.520 --> 1:46:09.960 ever did it, but yeah, he was. He was high 1:46:09.960 --> 1:46:10.400 all the time. 1:46:10.400 --> 1:46:10.880 It was great. 1:46:11.120 --> 1:46:12.920 But I'll tell you, should I tell you, do you 1:46:12.920 --> 1:46:15.800 have time for one really funny last story and be done? 1:46:15.960 --> 1:46:17.519 Yeah, because that would be perfect, all right. 1:46:17.600 --> 1:46:20.920 So obviously I had no idea what it was like, 1:46:20.960 --> 1:46:22.320 and I didn't know what I was doing, and I 1:46:22.320 --> 1:46:24.000 didn't know where marks were because it was the first 1:46:24.000 --> 1:46:26.439 time that i'd really done anything. When I was guest 1:46:26.439 --> 1:46:30.040 starring in this episode, and so at the end of 1:46:30.040 --> 1:46:32.080 the episode, at the end your last scene that you 1:46:32.120 --> 1:46:34.240 film when you're the guest star, They're like, this is 1:46:34.320 --> 1:46:37.600 Diane Niels, this is her her last scene of the episode, 1:46:37.600 --> 1:46:39.960 and she just wrapped, and then everyone started, the entire 1:46:40.080 --> 1:46:44.120 crew and everybody starts topping. And I remember going home 1:46:44.280 --> 1:46:46.639 and telling what is now my husband. I was like, 1:46:47.160 --> 1:46:49.519 I think I did really well. Like when I was done, 1:46:50.040 --> 1:46:53.240 like everyone was applauding for me, and it felt I was, 1:46:53.280 --> 1:46:55.599 so I think I'm a really good actor just because 1:46:55.600 --> 1:46:57.799 you I didn't even know right, like I just started acting. 1:46:58.520 --> 1:47:00.599 Then when I go back and I'm. 1:47:00.400 --> 1:47:03.599 On the show as a series regular, and the first 1:47:03.600 --> 1:47:06.799 episode that I'm filming, the first guest star that raps, 1:47:06.840 --> 1:47:09.200 They're like, this is so and So's last scene. You 1:47:09.280 --> 1:47:12.120 know there you know the episode ever, and then everyone 1:47:12.160 --> 1:47:15.160 starts a plotting. I was like, ah, we do it 1:47:15.200 --> 1:47:21.920 for everyone, like I'm such a tool. Oh my god, idiot, 1:47:22.640 --> 1:47:23.439 Well I know that. 1:47:24.080 --> 1:47:24.720 The best thing. 1:47:24.800 --> 1:47:26.680 I once was on a show where there was like 1:47:26.680 --> 1:47:29.000 a little cat on the set, and so we did 1:47:29.000 --> 1:47:34.000 a series rap for the cat. The cat, well, we 1:47:34.040 --> 1:47:35.760 had to snap because we couldn't be too loud. 1:47:35.840 --> 1:47:38.400 Oh very very oh stapped for the cat. Okay, very 1:47:38.560 --> 1:47:40.600 oh my, that's hilarious. Yeah, me and the cat. The 1:47:40.600 --> 1:47:42.400 Cat's that. I get home now thinking like I did 1:47:42.439 --> 1:47:43.320 such a good dropmer. 1:47:44.600 --> 1:47:48.360 I think that's like such a sweet like. 1:47:47.520 --> 1:47:49.320 Like and it's such an easy thing to. 1:47:49.320 --> 1:47:51.120 Make to not know that they do, like you know, 1:47:51.240 --> 1:47:53.200 episode rap on so and so lately. 1:47:53.280 --> 1:47:55.040 Yeah, I had no idea. It's kind of like my 1:47:55.080 --> 1:47:58.160 first birthday. All I knew about TV. I learned from 1:47:58.160 --> 1:48:00.679 like Access Hollywood. So I'm like, and I'm on NBC 1:48:00.800 --> 1:48:02.160 and we're on a really popular show, and I'm like, 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:04.120 are we gonna get Are we all getting porsches for 1:48:04.120 --> 1:48:04.639 our birthday? 1:48:04.680 --> 1:48:05.679 Like the cast of Friends? 1:48:06.400 --> 1:48:09.200 And like three months later after my birthday, I finally 1:48:09.240 --> 1:48:11.120 got something from Talent Services and my kids, you know, 1:48:11.160 --> 1:48:11.720 I still have it. 1:48:11.720 --> 1:48:16.759 It's a key chain, just to remind me that's your place. 1:48:17.560 --> 1:48:20.080 I wonder if there's ever like a shitty guest star though, 1:48:20.080 --> 1:48:21.880 who made everybody's life a living hell and they're like, 1:48:21.880 --> 1:48:24.120 that's a series rap on rob and everyone's like. 1:48:25.880 --> 1:48:28.880 You know, like just giving shitty, like the lame clap 1:48:28.920 --> 1:48:31.000 and like under the Birth of the you. 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:35.160 Know, but now we have questions for next time you're on, 1:48:35.200 --> 1:48:37.200 because now we're we'll ask you who are the worst 1:48:37.280 --> 1:48:41.400 guest stars you've ever So stay tuned, listeners, Come ready 1:48:41.439 --> 1:48:41.840 that come. 1:48:41.760 --> 1:48:44.880 Ready to talk some shit. Thank you so much for 1:48:44.960 --> 1:48:47.200 coming back on, Diane. We've been wanting to have you 1:48:47.240 --> 1:48:48.679 back for a long time, but we. 1:48:48.600 --> 1:48:51.120 Always know that we can get you again because you're 1:48:51.400 --> 1:48:52.000 the best to talk. 1:48:52.040 --> 1:48:53.000 You can anytime. 1:48:56.960 --> 1:49:00.280 Well, always fun to talk to Diane, I mean, and 1:49:00.600 --> 1:49:02.840 when we can make Diane do a little snort, I 1:49:02.840 --> 1:49:03.920 think we're doing something right. 1:49:03.960 --> 1:49:04.240 Listen. 1:49:04.360 --> 1:49:06.200 It's really cool. It's really cool to see the start 1:49:06.240 --> 1:49:08.680 of someone's career. She obviously had something special that like 1:49:09.200 --> 1:49:12.680 they wanted to continue her as Novak and that experience. 1:49:12.720 --> 1:49:15.719 But she plays a really good, mean killer who loves 1:49:15.760 --> 1:49:19.000 to be fucking choked out really well. Yeah, but left 1:49:19.000 --> 1:49:22.960 her fingerprints on the ceiling, baby, trust and believe that Benson, 1:49:23.200 --> 1:49:25.840 and between Benson and Warner, they're going to find your 1:49:25.840 --> 1:49:30.440 prints on the ceiling. They know a lot about autoerotic asphyxiation. 1:49:31.120 --> 1:49:32.760 Yeah, but a lot of you love to write us 1:49:32.800 --> 1:49:34.360 and say, oh my god, did you know Novak was 1:49:34.360 --> 1:49:36.920 in an episode before. Did you know that Robins was 1:49:37.000 --> 1:49:39.760 in an episode before? So we love to investigate these 1:49:39.800 --> 1:49:42.280 episodes where we see we meet our we meet our 1:49:42.320 --> 1:49:45.960 friends before we've met them, you know. And one day 1:49:45.960 --> 1:49:49.240 we'll talk to Peter Scanavino about his turn as a 1:49:49.800 --> 1:49:51.280 unhoused gentleman or what is he? 1:49:52.080 --> 1:49:53.240 Is he a drug addict? I don't know. 1:49:53.280 --> 1:49:56.040 Something's going on with him where he's not careesy. But 1:49:56.520 --> 1:49:58.960 a wild episode, a wild crime. 1:49:59.400 --> 1:50:00.719 I don't know. What have we learned? 1:50:01.080 --> 1:50:03.360 Guys, don't go to jail for a man, don't cross 1:50:03.439 --> 1:50:06.760 over the Atlantic to kidnap a man. 1:50:07.000 --> 1:50:08.040 Not worth it? I don't. 1:50:08.040 --> 1:50:11.439 I just don't think any any man who's on a 1:50:11.479 --> 1:50:16.520 Mormon mission is worth that kind of attention and incarceration. 1:50:17.240 --> 1:50:20.439 No, it's really it's really wild. Oh my god. I 1:50:21.479 --> 1:50:24.720 also liked when Tomorrow Toney was like acting out the 1:50:24.800 --> 1:50:29.439 ropes on Stabler. Oh yeah, little given him a little 1:50:29.439 --> 1:50:31.840 bit out of a show. I don't know. 1:50:31.920 --> 1:50:33.960 It was a great episode. We're lucky to water again. 1:50:34.439 --> 1:50:36.080 And so now we have two repeak ASTs. We have 1:50:36.080 --> 1:50:38.840 a Neil Bear and a Diane Neil, both Neil's and 1:50:38.880 --> 1:50:39.280 the same. 1:50:39.479 --> 1:50:43.880 You know, Yes, Neil, Neil baby, Neil and Neil. Yeah. 1:50:43.920 --> 1:50:44.639 I always love. 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:47.120 When I get to bring up Neil bear in normal conversation. 1:50:47.240 --> 1:50:49.519 I feel like so much smarter than people. I go, well, 1:50:49.560 --> 1:50:51.720 you know, the showrunner from seasons two to twelve was 1:50:51.760 --> 1:50:56.560 actually a medical you know, I get rially. 1:50:56.720 --> 1:50:58.560 Yeah, I mean it might be time for us to 1:50:58.560 --> 1:51:00.879 get Neil back on. To be honest, we can have another. 1:51:00.760 --> 1:51:02.240 But it also is time for s for you to 1:51:02.240 --> 1:51:03.960 give us the attention that we Craven deserve. 1:51:04.080 --> 1:51:04.959 I mean, we haven't. 1:51:04.720 --> 1:51:08.000 Gotten a press box in a while, we haven't gotten nothing. 1:51:08.560 --> 1:51:11.680 It's just like we're here, We're we're we're giving this, 1:51:11.960 --> 1:51:12.760 We're giving so much. 1:51:12.800 --> 1:51:14.519 We're having the time of our lives. Give it. Like 1:51:14.640 --> 1:51:18.000 let us, We're sending views to Hulu. Come on, we are. 1:51:18.320 --> 1:51:21.360 It's just when they don't need a like because a 1:51:21.400 --> 1:51:23.680 part of me is like, come on, don't you want 1:51:23.760 --> 1:51:25.439 us to visit the set and make a video, And 1:51:25.439 --> 1:51:27.880 they're like, absolutely not. We don't need you here at all. 1:51:28.080 --> 1:51:30.280 We are one of the top advertisers in history. 1:51:33.520 --> 1:51:33.920 We don't. 1:51:34.560 --> 1:51:37.240 People are watching, babe, people are watching like yea even 1:51:37.400 --> 1:51:38.760 but they do press sometimes. 1:51:38.880 --> 1:51:41.960 I just we'll have our moment in the sun. 1:51:42.000 --> 1:51:44.720 One day, well we will one day, everybody will it 1:51:44.760 --> 1:51:48.040 into existence. But we can move on to what are 1:51:48.080 --> 1:51:51.280 What would Sister Peg Do? Our weekly segment where we 1:51:51.360 --> 1:51:55.320 direct you towards an article, an organization, uh, a documentary, 1:51:55.360 --> 1:51:57.200 something to give you more info about what we talked 1:51:57.200 --> 1:51:59.640 about today. And for this week's What would Sister Peg Do, 1:51:59.640 --> 1:52:02.720 we'd like to point you to the documentary Tabloid. If 1:52:02.760 --> 1:52:04.519 you want to get an in depth look at Joyce 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:06.880 McKinney and the Manicled Mormon Case. You can watch this 1:52:06.960 --> 1:52:11.639 fascinating documentary by Academy Award winning filmmaker Errol Morris, and 1:52:12.640 --> 1:52:16.320 you can check out a link to that in our story. 1:52:16.439 --> 1:52:19.200 It'll be on our Instagram the day this episode comes out. 1:52:19.240 --> 1:52:21.960 Plus it'll always be in the show notes. But I 1:52:21.960 --> 1:52:25.280 think you can also just search Tabloid wherever you stream 1:52:25.360 --> 1:52:27.720 or download stuff and see where it's. You know, they're 1:52:27.720 --> 1:52:30.360 always changing the streaming. A shout out for an app 1:52:30.439 --> 1:52:33.880 I like to use called just Watch that shows you 1:52:33.920 --> 1:52:36.439 where things are streaming right now, where things are streaming 1:52:36.479 --> 1:52:39.720 for free, where things are for purchase, And I like that. 1:52:40.240 --> 1:52:43.600 It's a great app. It's free. I'm obsessed and that's that. 1:52:44.840 --> 1:52:46.240 Thank you so much. 1:52:46.400 --> 1:52:50.000 And next week we'll be doing Dearly Beloved from season twenty, 1:52:50.520 --> 1:52:55.000 episode nineteen. We're really jumping around season three, really are right? 1:52:55.160 --> 1:52:58.519 Three to twenty. Yeah, we're gonna get whiplash, baby. 1:52:59.280 --> 1:53:02.400 Yeah. We do it different over here, not like the 1:53:02.439 --> 1:53:06.080 other girls. We're different. 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