Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
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Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Hi, welcome to That's Messed Up.
Speaker 2: I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink and I'm Liza Traeger,
Speaker 2: and we're coming. I don't know why I always try
Speaker 2: to say that we're not coming to you live or
Speaker 2: from even the same city, and do live.
Speaker 3: From a studio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're not at all, But we talked SVU
Speaker 2: Crime Special Guests. We really have a fun time up top. Yes,
Speaker 2: we do catch up and we do have announcements. We
Speaker 2: are on tour in the fall. I'm on tour in
Speaker 2: the fall. We're gonna be at two hundred episodes soon.
Speaker 2: So a lot going on here, a lot happening.
Speaker 3: Yes, if you haven't yet, get to Thats Messed Up
Speaker 3: Live dot com. We're coming to a bunch of cities
Speaker 3: Denver and this will be our only touring for this year.
Speaker 1: A few of you have asked, like, oh, are you
Speaker 1: coming to the East Coast. I think it's looking like
Speaker 1: it's probably our only touring for this fall. But you know,
Speaker 1: let us know where you want us to come next year,
Speaker 1: and we'll do what we can. But we're going to
Speaker 1: be Denver, San Diego, San Francisco, Portland, La, Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Did I miss one? But yeah, they're excited.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't wait to be back at that hotel
Speaker 2: pool in Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Baby. Oh yeah, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: It came up yesterday people people were talking about Florida
Speaker 2: and they they said to Orlando was the worst.
Speaker 3: And I went, I love Orlando, and everyone stared at me.
Speaker 3: They're like why.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. The pool was so big,
Speaker 2: and everyone just laughed at me. But I just hadn't
Speaker 2: been in a pool that big. I've just been living
Speaker 2: in these cities. You loved the pool.
Speaker 1: Also, we lived right across the we we say to
Speaker 1: a hotel that was right across from like a big
Speaker 1: plaza that had like a fun place to eat that
Speaker 1: we liked. We got high, we got food, we shouldered,
Speaker 1: danced in our chairs. I mean, it was a great time.
Speaker 1: But Lisa was truly plotting her move to Orlando at
Speaker 1: one point, and I was like, maybe we check out
Speaker 1: a five mile radius of the rest of the city.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not all Mickey and Minnie, I guess, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I do want to take my kids to Florida soon
Speaker 1: to like where my like to to where I grew up,
Speaker 1: going to the beach and stuff like Sarasota.
Speaker 3: But I'm shocked down down yet. That's why I know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just been pandemic and everything, and then like
Speaker 1: flying with them has been such a pain in the ass.
Speaker 1: But I think, like we're flying tomorrow and I think
Speaker 1: I think I'm.
Speaker 3: Knock on wood.
Speaker 1: I'll update you at our next intro, but I think
Speaker 1: that we might be hitting like the sweet spot where
Speaker 1: like Oscar will keep his headphones on, I'll drug him
Speaker 1: with a little bit of melowtonin I think he'll sleep
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think it's going to be like
Speaker 1: an okay, our first like not like white knuckling travel
Speaker 1: experience with the kids.
Speaker 3: I would knock on would before you start making Oh?
Speaker 3: I did like that? Okay, I did.
Speaker 1: But Rosie's like great on the plane. She just watches
Speaker 1: TV the whole time. And if Oscar would just keep
Speaker 1: the headphones on, he would too. And I think three
Speaker 1: is usually when they keep the headphones on. And I've
Speaker 1: been really talking up his headphones, going, you're gonna wear
Speaker 1: your cat has they.
Speaker 3: Have fun shape? I was about to stay there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they've got little cat ears like Gabby.
Speaker 5: You know he loves them, he loves them, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean what can I do? Also, he's so
Speaker 1: snack based.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Like the reason I'm also saying this is because I'm
Speaker 2: really scared. I'm flying this week as well, and people
Speaker 2: have been getting stuck everywhere, like I don't think they've
Speaker 2: like I don't think they've come back from that inner
Speaker 2: whatever glitch happened and the hurricanes.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just seems like, yeah, I'm like nervous. Honestly, where
Speaker 2: are you going this week?
Speaker 3: Again? I forgot?
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm surprising at my father, well both my parents.
Speaker 2: It's my dad's been working at the community pool. It's
Speaker 2: thirty years this summer, and I've really wanted to like
Speaker 2: plan a party and do something, but it's just I couldn't.
Speaker 2: So I'm flying in and I like I'm staying at
Speaker 2: a hotel, Like I don't want them to know at
Speaker 2: all because I'm gonna go get balloons and things and
Speaker 2: oh you're so sweet and get it together, and then
Speaker 2: of course my parents are gonna be pissed at me
Speaker 2: because I didn't give them heads up so they couldn't
Speaker 2: buy ingredients of foods that they would want to cook
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 3: That'll be the only hickes. I'm so happy and then
Speaker 3: so insulted open.
Speaker 2: They're just gonna be like, we have to go buy
Speaker 2: her baloney, Like it's gonna.
Speaker 1: Be your dad runs out of his retirement party, like
Speaker 1: heading to the boloney shop.
Speaker 3: But I've never bought anyone.
Speaker 2: I don't think like the big letters, So just buy
Speaker 2: like the big numbers. Let's say thirty maybe, like I'm
Speaker 2: sure they'll have summer themed balloons.
Speaker 3: I'll arrive at their house Friday night.
Speaker 2: We'll go to the pool Saturday, and then I leave
Speaker 2: Sunday night.
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a quick little surprise.
Speaker 1: We're having a little retirement party for my mom actually
Speaker 1: this coming weekend.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's happy.
Speaker 2: Well, and I haven't been back since you know, Manya passed,
Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll be where.
Speaker 1: Your parents will be very happy though to be able
Speaker 1: to snuggle you and say no.
Speaker 3: They're just like obsessed with me.
Speaker 2: It's like so embarrassing for them, you know, I mistreat
Speaker 2: them so much and they just want more and more.
Speaker 1: No, but you look, a couple snaps here and there,
Speaker 1: but then you fly in for big events, you surprise
Speaker 1: for birthdays, you always you know you.
Speaker 3: I think you need to give yourself a little bit
Speaker 3: more credit.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll trick them and send flowers that arrive Friday
Speaker 2: so they don't think I'm coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, congrats on your retirement.
Speaker 2: Enjoy then whatever he is not retiring, we hope he
Speaker 2: won't go back next summer.
Speaker 3: It's a nice anniversary of work. He shouldn't be working.
Speaker 2: He's eighty six, psychotic, he's even there, I know, But
Speaker 2: Lake isn't there.
Speaker 3: He's right after. He's at the pool so early, he's
Speaker 3: all day. He's going to bed at nine pm. Like
Speaker 3: it's too much. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Like my mom's retired semi like, I mean, she's still
Speaker 1: working on a couple of projects. But I think once
Speaker 1: your parents just start watching like Netflix all day or whatever,
Speaker 1: it makes him age faster. It's like to be doing
Speaker 1: something I think is good. I don't want him to
Speaker 1: be endangering anyone at the pool. And you know he's
Speaker 1: not wearing sunblock. You know what, I mean, yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't want him to get skin cancer. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there's a lot of reasons you should stop, but
Speaker 1: like to have a purpose and something that keeps you going.
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of people.
Speaker 2: And I keep some young because you know, he has
Speaker 2: a few lifeguard friends.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's sweet.
Speaker 2: Actually, one of the lifeguards was texting me being like,
Speaker 2: so are we doing the party?
Speaker 3: I go, honey, I was in a movie. I don't
Speaker 3: have time. I don't have time if I can't. But
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: So we hope he doesn't go back next summer, but
Speaker 2: if he does, we'll support him.
Speaker 3: But I think he I think it's still little too much.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 2: I really, yeah, he doesn't. You know, people don't want
Speaker 2: to admit. I mean, he won't admit. He can't hear
Speaker 2: the lengths we have to go to have him hear something.
Speaker 2: Is there a way to like cut.
Speaker 3: Back his hours.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just going a couple they've tried to fire
Speaker 2: him for decades.
Speaker 3: They don't want him there. I think technology does the job.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 2: Like they don't want him there, he refuses to leave.
Speaker 3: This is so funny. This is like a movie, only
Speaker 3: he also steals like, I understand why they don't want
Speaker 3: him there.
Speaker 2: I have Skokie Park District hats, t shirts, sweatshirts, bathing suits.
Speaker 2: He takes from the lifeguards, like he's been stealing the
Speaker 2: free pool passes. We've been sneaking into the pool my
Speaker 2: whole life. Like, of course, God, he's just a menace.
Speaker 2: He's a menace. But yeah, so that's what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: And then what are you guys doing for your mom's
Speaker 2: retirement party? Is anyone coming up from Florida?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 1: No, it's like it's not huge like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be. It's like our family. It's
Speaker 1: like twenty five people. It's like our family, and then
Speaker 1: a few of her friends that live in the area
Speaker 1: and her sister who lives in New York City, but
Speaker 1: not like what are her requests? Like what food and drinks?
Speaker 1: Does she I don't even mind knows that we're doing it.
Speaker 1: To be honest, my mom would just I know, like.
Speaker 3: What is she like? Like, what kind of party? O? Wine?
Speaker 1: My mom likes wine? Okay, so my mom likes wine.
Speaker 1: There has to be wine flowing. Then there's a there's
Speaker 1: a place in our town in New Canaan that makes
Speaker 1: like baskets and rcutery plates and stuff like that, or
Speaker 1: like makes pasta salads. It's like that's the whole place.
Speaker 1: It's all pre made stuff. It's called garlic an herb,
Speaker 1: but garlic is not spelled like garlic. It's spelled g
Speaker 1: A r E l I c K. So we always
Speaker 1: are like I don't know, so she like. So the
Speaker 1: fact that we're catering it from there is like that's dream.
Speaker 1: That's like my mom's number one. Like whenever she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're we're gonna have a little party and I'm getting
Speaker 1: garlic an herb, like she like loves it that place,
Speaker 1: so that'll be good. And then we'll just get some
Speaker 1: hydrangeas or sunflowers, like the flower or she likes and
Speaker 1: call it a day. She's very like, I don't want
Speaker 1: anyone abandoned, but she she does. You know, I think
Speaker 1: she appreciates it, but she didn't want it to be
Speaker 1: like she didn't want it to be her co worker.
Speaker 1: She didn't want it to be like the nurses and
Speaker 1: the doctors. I think they already did something for her,
Speaker 1: and so I think she just wanted this to be
Speaker 1: like a little family thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well we couldn't throw a retirement party from
Speaker 2: my mom because she quit in a rage and never
Speaker 2: went back to work.
Speaker 1: So a wait, are you at liberty to share this
Speaker 1: story that made her rage out?
Speaker 3: I honestly don't remember.
Speaker 2: It's been a while, you know, she's it's been like
Speaker 2: a decade.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm gonna, I'll ask her. I'm gonna. But that's
Speaker 3: where I get my rap my issues from. Is her.
Speaker 1: How funny if you had asked me that, I would
Speaker 1: have thought it was your dad. Not that I've ever
Speaker 1: seen your dad rage out or anything, but like, your
Speaker 1: mom seems so.
Speaker 3: Calm to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so am I normally you know, yeah, some
Speaker 2: people from a distance, they're like oh, and then I
Speaker 2: just fly off the handle and then that was her
Speaker 2: at work? Should come home rape, I would remember and
Speaker 2: be like this bitch. I mean, my mom would get
Speaker 2: up at meetings and like yell and leave, like she
Speaker 2: stopped going to the Christmas parties like she does have there.
Speaker 2: We have similar vibes in terms of that. Wait, I
Speaker 2: love that, and I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know that.
Speaker 1: It's like like this is me, Like I've met your
Speaker 1: mom a couple of times obviously I'm a guary only
Speaker 1: be sweet and quiet with me or whatever. But even
Speaker 1: on the phone with you, she's always like like the
Speaker 1: tone of voices like, OHI Liza, Like it's always like
Speaker 1: she's being so nice and gentle. So I never like
Speaker 1: think of her as a rager, but I kind of
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Justin just yeah, she just got mad at everyone left
Speaker 2: and every went back. No two weeks cashed out, like
Speaker 2: because she works past retirement age like your mom too,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, and so it was already fine, she
Speaker 2: was gonna get social Security, so it was like but
Speaker 2: there was no hoopla. She just one day was like
Speaker 2: I'm never going back, and that was that. But I'll
Speaker 2: try to find out what the fight was. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: would love to know. I would love to know what
Speaker 2: this fucking bitch at work did. Well, this bitch she
Speaker 2: was also she was having an affair with the boss,
Speaker 2: So she was fucking the boss.
Speaker 1: Oh h m okay, well that adds another layer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like that's kind of tough.
Speaker 2: You can't really oh yeah, because her husband was like
Speaker 2: sick and so she was cheating on him with the
Speaker 2: boss something like that. But it's also like what happened
Speaker 2: to all companies and what's happening to our business and
Speaker 2: all of that where it's like it used to be
Speaker 2: a proper fucking business with cool Christmas parties and nice
Speaker 2: gifts and like dinner, and then it became like less,
Speaker 2: and then a conglomerate and more companies bought it, and
Speaker 2: then it's just like how do we cut caught? You know,
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, why lost going out of business? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, the ninety I'm glad we got to experience
Speaker 2: the nineties, and I'm sure it was bad for lots
Speaker 2: of different people, but overall as a culture, there was
Speaker 2: some some thing about Rodney King is like, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't great. It wasn't great for everybody right now,
Speaker 2: but but there was just like lack of inner I
Speaker 2: think it's like we know too much or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just was a simpler time where it wasn't all
Speaker 2: about conglomerates and monopoly and maybe the laws like who
Speaker 2: started doing all the laws where companies could do whatever
Speaker 2: they wanted and controlled us? Because that Clinton is that Bush?
Speaker 2: Is that eighties? Is that Reagan? Or was probably Reagan?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know a great question. Capitalist.
Speaker 2: I just want to marry a history professor and then
Speaker 2: I don't have to know anything. I will just have
Speaker 2: like someone to tell me everything. Yeah, but I have
Speaker 2: to start going to like talks.
Speaker 3: That's what. There's a lot of colleges here. I can
Speaker 3: start going to talks. Ninety second stree why JCC, there's
Speaker 3: always talks. Yeah. I start going to talks and meet
Speaker 3: a history buff. I love a talk. Oh yeah, wait.
Speaker 3: Have I told my famous Thanksgiving story? But I wasn't
Speaker 3: there like with my family. So it was like one
Speaker 3: of the first Thanksgivings.
Speaker 2: I didn't come home and my sister was hosting everyone's
Speaker 2: coming and I hate my cousin Laura, and like most
Speaker 2: people do that meet her. So she brings a date
Speaker 2: to this Thanksgiving. And this was years this is so
Speaker 2: so so long ago. So my brother in law, his
Speaker 2: dad starts flipping out. He sees this man and is
Speaker 2: like hyper like, oh my god, oh, oh my god,
Speaker 2: and so like runs down to the base and me
Speaker 2: he goes, I can't sit next to this man.
Speaker 3: And they're like, who's this man? And so basically Elan's.
Speaker 2: Dad was like, oh, I went to a talk some
Speaker 2: Jewish speaker at Northwestern and there was a man just
Speaker 2: interrupting and screaming and trying to take control.
Speaker 3: And it was this man.
Speaker 2: So it was like this man that like terrorized this
Speaker 2: speaker and ruined this big talk that you know, my
Speaker 2: Michael's trying to enjoy. So so they're like, we'll sit
Speaker 2: you at the other end. It'll be okay. So we
Speaker 2: sit everyone. So this man is sitting next to my
Speaker 2: father and with my brother and whatever, and the first
Speaker 2: thing he brings up at Thanksgiving dinner is do you
Speaker 2: think the Holocaust was good or bad for the Jews?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So yeah. So then my brother goes like bad,
Speaker 3: you know, like what is it?
Speaker 2: So then this guy goes, no, it's actually good because
Speaker 2: in the Bible it says Jews should suffer in life.
Speaker 2: It's about suffering to get on the other side, and
Speaker 2: starts like being an advocate for the Holocaust in this
Speaker 2: weird way. My brother in law's dad started to scream,
Speaker 2: and my dad obviously got really upset as well, and
Speaker 2: so then it became like full blown chaos.
Speaker 3: And I was like, if I was there, I would.
Speaker 2: Have shut that down so fast, like no one would
Speaker 2: like I would have flipped the fuck out. And then
Speaker 2: I was like, I will never miss the Thanksgiving again.
Speaker 2: I will make sure no one is allowed. And this
Speaker 2: is like a class I mean, I feel bad that
Speaker 2: I said her name, but it's like a classic kind
Speaker 2: of situation where like all and her family, they're like,
Speaker 2: so there's such Trumpers, They're so again, they're so racist,
Speaker 2: they're so against social services, and yet they all live
Speaker 2: in government housing.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I mean? Yeah, wait, and this
Speaker 3: was this guy was your cousin that you hates date
Speaker 3: like a date?
Speaker 2: Yeah, she just because she goes to all these groups,
Speaker 2: like she would always like drop off her kid. Like
Speaker 2: I played with her son all the time, so she
Speaker 2: would drop off her son and go to like Kabbala
Speaker 2: groups and hippie thing like.
Speaker 1: She was just kind of you know, she pick up
Speaker 1: this fucking winter Jesus.
Speaker 2: Well no, because I remember my dad's like eighty something birthday.
Speaker 3: She came up to the party, was like so fun.
Speaker 2: It was at this restaurant and then she comes up
Speaker 2: to me and goes, I think Essenela is being too
Speaker 2: mean to Trump and like started arguing with me, and
Speaker 2: then I kept it together the whole party and then
Speaker 2: I had to be pulled away from her. I was
Speaker 2: just like, you fucking bitch, why are you bringing shit?
Speaker 3: Ut? Like I just I hate her so much.
Speaker 2: She's actually not allowed in any of our homes anymore,
Speaker 2: and my mom doesn't speak to her, like we really
Speaker 2: don't like her. Yeah, and she's the one that told
Speaker 2: my sister publicly online once like I wish my cause
Speaker 2: there was a bombing situation and my dad's brother jumped
Speaker 2: on my brother and like saved him my father. So
Speaker 2: there was like some sort of military situation and his
Speaker 2: brother saved my father.
Speaker 3: Like what am I the brothers?
Speaker 2: And so my cousin wrote something like, yeah, if it
Speaker 2: wasn't for my dad, you wouldn't even be here, Like
Speaker 2: maybe if my dad didn't save your dad, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have to deal with you something crazy. She's and their
Speaker 2: family were gonna leave us in the Soviet Union too,
Speaker 2: Like they're bad people. But I feel bad her son.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for her son. He's you know, like
Speaker 2: he's he's made, he's made a life for himself. But yeah,
Speaker 2: has he been able to escape the crazy?
Speaker 3: No? No, he has to go to dinner with him
Speaker 3: once a week, you know.
Speaker 2: But but he's a good son, but he's also has
Speaker 2: some freedom. But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: Well I can't believe I went into this big thing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's just she's not for us. But my
Speaker 2: sister and I start speaking to her so long ago,
Speaker 2: and then my mom recently did, but she won't tell
Speaker 2: me what she said. But I guess my cousin said
Speaker 2: something that. Finally my mom was like, I'm done. That's
Speaker 2: your fucking niece. I'm done. She's not allowed in here.
Speaker 2: So wow, but your mom won't tell you. Do you
Speaker 2: think it's about you?
Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know. I don't you know. She's said
Speaker 3: horrible things to all of us, to our faces. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: yeah it would have.
Speaker 1: Like she said like Lisa's not funny or something like that, like,
Speaker 1: and your mom was like, that's it.
Speaker 3: You know, nobody talked about my Lisa.
Speaker 2: No, it has to be worse than I wish my
Speaker 2: dad didn't save you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, dad, so you wouldn't be here. Yeah, because that's
Speaker 1: pretty fucked. Yeah, it has to be worse. Oh, but
Speaker 1: now I'm dying to know what that is. See if
Speaker 1: you can get more information.
Speaker 3: When she wouldn't tell me, I know, I was home,
Speaker 3: she wouldn't find nobody. It's been a little bit of
Speaker 3: a time, bitch.
Speaker 2: Once, when I got fired from fat Camp, I stayed
Speaker 2: with her sister and their whole family in Brighton Beach. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then when her when she came to visit, she goes,
Speaker 2: if I knew you were gonna be here, I would
Speaker 2: have changed my vacation dates. And it's like you were
Speaker 2: years older than me. Like I am, I am like
Speaker 2: your baby cousin. Like it's crazy you're doing this to me.
Speaker 2: But you know, you know, you gotta feel bad something's
Speaker 2: going on with her. Almost, I mean you don't have to.
Speaker 1: I'm almost feeling bad for her because something is so
Speaker 1: miserable within her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she ended up getting divorced to Like yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course I can't imagine that, Like duh,
Speaker 1: I mean, look what else friends.
Speaker 3: Of what fault?
Speaker 2: Like to add to the story, she's like six three
Speaker 2: what she's like a giant woman.
Speaker 1: Wow, you know you create this stories in your mind,
Speaker 1: and that's not what I had. She's like I did
Speaker 1: not in the Sims game of my mind of the story,
Speaker 1: she was not six foot three.
Speaker 3: She's like a very tall, tall woman. She's like a
Speaker 3: very large whoa, oh my god, I know.
Speaker 2: What else in her whole family is as tall, Like
Speaker 2: she is the tallest person.
Speaker 3: By far for general rations.
Speaker 2: Yeah, overpowers my thought, like which taller than all of us?
Speaker 3: Es, geez, she's your family.
Speaker 2: She was like an esthetician, so she would always just
Speaker 2: be like she would make like she would be like,
Speaker 2: don't tell your mom, come come get a facial with me.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: She's just like a little creep, but we kept we
Speaker 2: saw her all the time. It was just like recent
Speaker 2: you know, finally with the elections and all that and
Speaker 2: COVID and how people react, you know, it like changes it,
Speaker 2: it exhorts, it made things bigger, like lots of people
Speaker 2: stopping friends with people or families.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of you figure shit out. No, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm also excited for my trip coming up because
Speaker 1: we're gonna hang out.
Speaker 2: And you're seeing Oh Mary and finally talk about it
Speaker 2: on the podcast.
Speaker 3: I can't wait.
Speaker 2: I fucking was selling like eight people yesterday, Like put
Speaker 2: it in your calendar, take your girlfriend at a date,
Speaker 2: you have to go see this speak. I just feel
Speaker 2: comedians would find it actually like really funny. Surprising, amazing,
Speaker 2: Like you know, there's a difference between like stand up
Speaker 2: funny and theater funny, and theater funny sometimes a little
Speaker 2: corny cheesy like I saw Shucked, Like it's not full blown.
Speaker 2: But I just feel like these people that are so
Speaker 2: jaded and I've seen it all would act, you know,
Speaker 2: like I just like want this for everyone.
Speaker 1: No, I'm really excited because I've always been a fan
Speaker 1: of coal and I just think the fact that something
Speaker 1: different is like dominating Broadway is cool. Like sure, let's
Speaker 1: bring Cats back forever, let's bring off Phantom Chicago. But
Speaker 1: like something different in like like this.
Speaker 3: Is killing it on Broadway. It's cool. It's like it's
Speaker 3: uh heartening.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, because someone was like, oh, six, and I
Speaker 2: go no, no, I saw six. It's not like this is different,
Speaker 2: this is a genre. But I kept saying this is
Speaker 2: doing for theater what Scream.
Speaker 1: Did for horror, Like that's what I But it's also
Speaker 1: not a musical, right cause they're singing.
Speaker 3: No, there's no singing.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, which makes people happier. Actually, people don't
Speaker 2: love musicals. Yeah, and it's eighty minutes no intermission, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I like I love musicals, but I also love musicals
Speaker 1: where there's talking and then a song, and then there's
Speaker 1: talking and then a song and not necessarily what.
Speaker 3: Are we doing?
Speaker 1: Are we going to the store, like you know, like
Speaker 1: we're all everything is the song, And I think that's
Speaker 1: that makes people.
Speaker 2: But you know, the Cats that's on right now is
Speaker 2: like the Jellical Ball. It's like a gay version. It's
Speaker 2: like a drag version of Cats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I honestly just said Cats out of my out
Speaker 1: of my ass, like I was just as like a
Speaker 1: long running show, but I didn't even realize. But now
Speaker 1: that you say that, I've been seeing people post about
Speaker 1: the Jellical Ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's an off Broadway thing, and someone I
Speaker 2: really think is cool went to see it so I
Speaker 2: might see it.
Speaker 3: I still haven't seen Sightsannic though, Oh it's so fun.
Speaker 1: You just especially with like Selene Fever that's happening right
Speaker 1: now after she's kind of like back in the public
Speaker 1: eye and like did the Olympics opening ceremony, Like you
Speaker 1: just don't you forget how many like fucking bangers she has,
Speaker 1: how many like ballads that are like so powerful and like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've never forgotten ever. Yeah no, I know, but it's
Speaker 1: like I just having them all presented to you. And
Speaker 1: even we listened to her on the way home. I
Speaker 1: was like, they didn't even put this one in the show.
Speaker 1: There's like three or four other ones that like didn't
Speaker 1: even make it into the show. She's amazing. I love Selene.
Speaker 1: I love how crazy she seems. Fashion photo shoots she
Speaker 1: does where she's just totally gets it and is wild.
Speaker 1: I love her luxury law yeah la roach la Roach.
Speaker 1: I saw him doing that shoot with her. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: that seems like a great match. She's very fun. I
Speaker 1: like her a lot, one of our one of our
Speaker 1: gems on the planet. All right, let's get started with
Speaker 1: the episode. We've got a great episode coming up for
Speaker 1: you guys today.
Speaker 3: All Right, we're here. It's the time.
Speaker 2: It is Ridicule, Season three, episode two, a few months
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: If I want to be honest.
Speaker 1: As we always like to position ourselves in time via
Speaker 1: the nine to eleven, that is our our thing we do.
Speaker 2: I mean really coming because I wonder how long SVU
Speaker 2: actually took off, because you know, I want SNL what
Speaker 2: came back out in a month or was it two months. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I remember that was a big deal. It was
Speaker 2: Reese Witherspoon, right, Oh did I make that up?
Speaker 3: After? I could have totally made that up. I feel
Speaker 3: like I made that.
Speaker 1: Up first SNL guest after nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: I was remember Rudy Giuliani was there, but it was her. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm right, so happy and Alicia Keys Wow, good memory.
Speaker 1: I would never have remembered that Reese was the one
Speaker 1: to bring us back into laughter after a national tragedy.
Speaker 3: I can't she's positive. She's a positive cow. They get sauce.
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a.
Speaker 2: I wish she didn't sell her production company to like,
Speaker 2: you know, dark money, oh to like not black Rock,
Speaker 2: but something in that vein Like really, yeah, she's like
Speaker 2: the first actress billionaire interesting to Blackstone for nine hundred
Speaker 2: million dollars.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people that work there. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? I mean, they're making a
Speaker 1: lot of money, but it's I'm always confused because I'm
Speaker 1: always like, wait, is Blackstone bad? I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: it's bad, but is it is it black Water black?
Speaker 1: Or black Rock bad? And then there's also Blackwater is
Speaker 1: a bad thing.
Speaker 2: I just don't know why. I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: Like the whole point was like women's story, it's fun.
Speaker 2: Did she sell it off like she's not going to
Speaker 2: be involved anymore. She's still going to be involved. I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's still working. Okay, I'm sure she's making stuff
Speaker 2: and you know, picking the books and getting the rights
Speaker 2: to the book, picking the book.
Speaker 5: Yeah, famously, I read Wild in my book club.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm glad I never did. That was one of
Speaker 3: her choice of myself. You were proud you never read Wild,
Speaker 3: or that you never saw the movie or both, honestly both.
Speaker 3: I was just like her in a boot, just walking
Speaker 3: in a forest.
Speaker 2: I don't want it. I just had no interest in Wild. Wait,
Speaker 2: I forgot. This isn't an intro. We do have an episode. Okay, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: we just like truly devolved into Reese. But that is
Speaker 2: the power she had, and that's why she brought us
Speaker 2: back to nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: And here we are.
Speaker 1: It's the first Christmas post night eleven and we're getting
Speaker 1: this this amazing episode.
Speaker 3: This is a wild episode, and I'm excited that we're
Speaker 3: doing it.
Speaker 2: So a man casually walks into a cute apartment calling
Speaker 2: out for someone named Sid and the decor is very
Speaker 2: Beetlejuice minus the goth So there's a lot of whimsical shapes,
Speaker 2: but it's yellow walls.
Speaker 1: It's funky, you know what I mean, very dely adites. Yes, wait,
Speaker 1: I told you we showed the kids Beetlejuice. And now
Speaker 1: Oscar keeps randomly when I'm putting him to bed, sometimes
Speaker 1: just going lydiadeets lydia adeeps, just saying that that's creepy,
Speaker 1: because if he said Beetlejuice, I'd get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he doesn't even mean.
Speaker 1: And he goes, who's Lydiadiets And I go, she's a
Speaker 1: well from Beetlejuice.
Speaker 3: And he goes, what does she look like? I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know what she looks like. It's so crazy. He's
Speaker 3: the sacess.
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I think you guys should do
Speaker 2: a family Beetle Juice costume this year.
Speaker 3: Like I really believe in that. I would actually love that.
Speaker 1: Let me pitch it to Rosie because she's kind of
Speaker 1: set on being Evy the Pokemon.
Speaker 3: That is really cute, you know, but that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that will be a group costume because
Speaker 1: Oscar has no passion for Pokemon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so here we go. He calls out again,
Speaker 2: no answer. He sees little candles, you know, lit in
Speaker 2: the bathroom. He opens the bedroom door and she's on
Speaker 2: her knees on the bed but bending forward with dim lights,
Speaker 2: and he's like, what the hell are you doing? Me
Speaker 2: to stay? This is not the way to do it.
Speaker 2: And he starts walking in after hiding behind the door,
Speaker 2: and oh no, she is tied up but also dead
Speaker 2: and tied to a ceiling fan. She was positioned and
Speaker 2: her face was chill like, it was kind of like eerie. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it didn't look distressed, but her eyes weren't closed, like
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, kind of wild.
Speaker 3: Yes, creepy.
Speaker 2: Okay, so active crime scene Melinda warners at a conference.
Speaker 2: So we're stuck with some man. Yeah, Benson and stablerry
Speaker 2: here and Benson's like, so, what's on the menu today?
Speaker 2: Justin and it's auto erotic exphyxiation and Sydney Green early
Speaker 2: thirties husband found her. He was flipping out, so they
Speaker 2: drove him to SVU to wait for the detectives because
Speaker 2: he was kind of being annoying, but also, you know,
Speaker 2: his wife is dead. He cut her down and turned
Speaker 2: off the music. She's been dead three to four hours tops.
Speaker 2: There's no apparent fluids. Because auto erotics usually fly solo.
Speaker 2: Justin fills us in. So that's why Justin is leaning
Speaker 2: towards solo.
Speaker 3: But you never know.
Speaker 2: And then Justin his gross as hell and goes it's
Speaker 2: not official to like cut her open, and it's like,
Speaker 2: do you really have to? Yeah, like just in case
Speaker 2: she was poisoned, Like I just didn't know that you
Speaker 2: just willy nilly will cut open anybody.
Speaker 1: That's I feel like any autopsy involves a cut open.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because like they Melinda's like weighing organs and shit,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, yes, yes, the famous liverhold So Benson says,
Speaker 2: until we have proof, let's treat this like a sexual homicide.
Speaker 2: But there is no sign of break in or a struggle,
Speaker 2: and the bedroom is set up for a seductive scene
Speaker 2: and we're into the credit they asked the husband, how
Speaker 2: long has your wife been exphyxiating? And he's like, oh no,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Wait, I'm sorry. Did you watch The Jersey
Speaker 2: where John Fuda had an allergic reaction and refused to
Speaker 2: the hospital yea, what a.
Speaker 1: Dope, What a dope. Alians don't go to the hospital.
Speaker 1: Shut up, Like it was making me crazy. It was
Speaker 1: making me crazy. He's wearing like an Italian shirt. I'm like,
Speaker 1: your identity of being Italian like cannot be this strong.
Speaker 2: It's it's actually unhinged. But I wonder if he's allergic
Speaker 2: to bone marrow or what happened. But you got like
Speaker 2: his throat was closing, he was sweating, he couldn't speak,
Speaker 2: and he was like, no, I'm fine, I'm gonna sleep
Speaker 2: it off. And it's like, just get some oxygen, you maniac.
Speaker 2: He like through the oxygen.
Speaker 1: Like jobni Margo's husband, Joe b Niino like obviously like
Speaker 1: like physically doesn't really like do anything for me. But
Speaker 1: like when he's like the only mature husband, he's like
Speaker 1: the only mature man. He's like, no, you have to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital right now, like let's go get well.
Speaker 1: What was the word he kept saying, actic aphylactic. He
Speaker 1: was like, it's anaphylactic, anaphylactic, and they kept going back up,
Speaker 1: going what does that mean. I'm like, you've all put
Speaker 1: children through school where peanut allergies happen and you don't
Speaker 1: know anaphylaxis like that.
Speaker 3: That was wild to me. They're like, what what at?
Speaker 3: What's that like?
Speaker 1: They were all just like New Jersey seeing it up
Speaker 1: so hard, no offense, New Jersey housewivesing it up.
Speaker 3: It was. It was wild. It was wild.
Speaker 1: It was giving me a lot of adgetas you can tell. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are stressed, I'm activated.
Speaker 2: Okay, so the husband goes her vibe, that's not her
Speaker 2: vibe exphyxiating. But they've only been married six months. They're
Speaker 2: already having issues and they're they're in a separation and
Speaker 2: it was a quick engagement. They only dated three months,
Speaker 2: so they've only known each other nine months total, So
Speaker 2: she could be exphyxiating secretly, we don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't know everything about her.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they did decide to separate a little bit,
Speaker 2: and he went to get a few things, and that's
Speaker 2: how he found everything. He's only left just a few
Speaker 2: weeks ago. He's an artist and he was at his
Speaker 2: studio working. They ask why you know they weren't getting
Speaker 2: along and he's like, whatever, Like two people can love
Speaker 2: each other and not be good living partners. Why are
Speaker 2: you even asking me these questions? He's annoyed, irritated, huffing, puffing,
Speaker 2: and then calmly just asks for a phone call when
Speaker 2: they released her body. Saylor says they'll let him know,
Speaker 2: so he leaves, and it's time for a judge judge meeting,
Speaker 2: So suspender Cragan is leading the meeting, and we have
Speaker 2: munch Finn and Benson and Stabler, so they think he's
Speaker 2: hiding something. Saylor thinks that she had a new man
Speaker 2: and the husband caught them and that and he is
Speaker 2: the killer Pixie cut. Benson has the visitor sign sign
Speaker 2: in from the building, and Pam Adler and Amelia Chase
Speaker 2: arrived around lunchtime, and Finn actually knows one of those names.
Speaker 2: He asks if it's Pam Adler, the criminal attorney, and
Speaker 2: she's cross examined him before, So Benson and Stabler head
Speaker 2: onto the law offices since Finn has history with her.
Speaker 3: It's June fifth. We're at three point two Center Street,
Speaker 3: the law offices of Adler, Rose and Kleine. I just
Speaker 3: think it's so annoying, Like every partner, you just keep
Speaker 3: adding and adding these names. Just call it a thing.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Oh, trust me, our lawyer. When I'm writing out the check,
Speaker 1: I'm like, my hand is hurting. Like it's so many freakin'
Speaker 1: names and you have to write them all. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think so no one's ever told me, hey, it's
Speaker 1: okay to just write this, so I just write them all.
Speaker 1: It's a lot. It's a lot of names, but it
Speaker 1: is annoying. And then you make partner and like, what
Speaker 1: if your name sounds shitty? I mean, I gotta say,
Speaker 1: Clank is probably going to fuck up any law like
Speaker 1: the law Offices of Barrister Framingham, like O'Brien, Wiles and Clank, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feel like it's gonna fuck
Speaker 1: up your cred with your building. Tragger is a good trigger,
Speaker 1: would be like a good law name. I think it
Speaker 1: would be fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you really hate it up. You hate Clank.
Speaker 1: I don't think it sounds good with many things, but
Speaker 1: I've grown to like it for me, but I don't
Speaker 1: want to get it. I was happy not to give
Speaker 1: it to my kids, and I'm happy to not be
Speaker 1: a partner in a law firm to ruin their style.
Speaker 3: And we love Pam Adler.
Speaker 2: She is played by a Page Turco and she was
Speaker 2: the rich mam and wife of Kyle McLaughlin and Blood
Speaker 2: Brothers from season thirteen.
Speaker 3: So if you were wondering who she is and is
Speaker 3: she not? Is she not? Later in another one, No,
Speaker 3: she's not.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I thought she was the wife of
Speaker 1: the guy who is the doctor and has a secret family,
Speaker 1: but that it's a different one. But yeah, yeah, And
Speaker 1: she's also not Laurie Laughlin.
Speaker 3: If you were like, is that Lauri Laughlin, it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not. Yes, but she's been in stuff like my
Speaker 3: whole young she's so star yeah sor she's been working.
Speaker 3: She's been working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's really sad to hear the news of
Speaker 2: her friend.
Speaker 3: They were close.
Speaker 2: They met at Vassar, so you know why were they
Speaker 2: over there though during lunch she said, well, she didn't
Speaker 2: show up to our plan lunchtime, so we went to
Speaker 2: check on her at the apartment. Sidney said she wanted
Speaker 2: to be alone, but Pam thinks that someone was in
Speaker 2: there and she had company. Stabler's excited that he might
Speaker 2: be right that, like, you know, there was another person
Speaker 2: because there was Robe Candle's music, so that's what they're assuming.
Speaker 3: The bedroom door was closed, so she has no idea
Speaker 3: who it could be.
Speaker 2: But she says that Sydney was depressed and Andrew was
Speaker 2: no prize and they hate Andrew and they talk about
Speaker 2: him the whole time. And so she says he was
Speaker 2: an artist with questionable talent and that he married a
Speaker 2: meal ticket. They met on a Caribbean vacation. But she's
Speaker 2: a really good friend and she's like, oh, but I
Speaker 2: convinced her to get a prenup. And then she also
Speaker 2: gives them the info to the divorce attorney and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's going to have a complete list of
Speaker 2: her assets. So they meet, you know, we meet a
Speaker 2: man in a suit and he fills usin. She made
Speaker 2: a killing in junk bonds but lost her shirt in
Speaker 2: the tech market. So that's a lot of lingo there,
Speaker 2: and basically the husband might get like fifty grand with
Speaker 2: the death. Benson goes, that's a lot of money, and
Speaker 2: the attorney attorney goes in Manhattan, don't kid me.
Speaker 1: I mean really, it's like, once you pay taxes and stuff,
Speaker 1: that's like, that's not worth killing somebody, to.
Speaker 3: Be honest, is the deal.
Speaker 1: But people kill each other for three thousand No I know.
Speaker 1: But if you're trying to tie it to a money game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's not it. Fifty grand in Manhattan. I'm sorry, it's
Speaker 1: really like, that's like you're gonna have a nicer life
Speaker 1: for like six months.
Speaker 2: I hate to say it, but if the client lives,
Speaker 2: he would have gotten nothing in the divorce because of
Speaker 2: the prenup. So you know, Munch and Finn are waiting outside,
Speaker 2: waiting for their girl, and Finn is like, oh god,
Speaker 2: you know these stock party pool they live so well,
Speaker 2: short hours, spa days. And Munch hates the spot and
Speaker 2: he goes only women can learn how to waste money
Speaker 2: and time at the same time, or when he say,
Speaker 2: learn how to waste both whatever. He hates the spa,
Speaker 2: he hates his ex wives and that's that. So Diane
Speaker 2: Neil walks out and she's in a turtleneck, and but
Speaker 2: she is not playing Novak.
Speaker 3: This is the stock bitch. She's at the spot.
Speaker 2: This reminds me of legally Blonde always back to Reese Witherspoon. Yes,
Speaker 2: the stepmother. So they're gonna talk about Sidney Green and
Speaker 2: this doesn't This girl doesn't seem sad at all. She's like,
Speaker 2: I have Aerond's do you mind if we walk and
Speaker 2: it's like, your friend did just die. They met at
Speaker 2: Goldman and they stayed friends, even though Sydney was a
Speaker 2: little too risque for her. But she's also like confused
Speaker 2: because she heard the details and assumed it was an accident.
Speaker 3: So what's going on?
Speaker 2: Munch questions why she would assume that, and Novak answer,
Speaker 2: not Novak, it's not Novak.
Speaker 3: Okay, so answers that.
Speaker 2: She me on the edge Amelia Chase, and it's how
Speaker 2: she worked and lived, big risk taker gambling, kinky sex,
Speaker 2: ropes and stuff. And even though she wasn't into that shit,
Speaker 2: she did believe that they were kindred spirits. They were
Speaker 2: both badass bitches who like to make tons of money
Speaker 2: and like fuck over any man that got in their way.
Speaker 2: So back at the office, time to report to Daddy
Speaker 2: Cragan and Craigan's like, whoa, So are they even close
Speaker 2: enough friends to chat about something so intimate?
Speaker 3: Grow up? I can't believe it? What a prude?
Speaker 2: Munch goes, Yes, spirit sisters who love to take down moneymen,
Speaker 2: and Finn walks by like, oh yeah, so close. She
Speaker 2: seemed real broken up about her friend's death, and those
Speaker 2: are my sentiments.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 2: So now it's yeah, you got a full blown facial
Speaker 2: in your shopping after a full day of work, and you're.
Speaker 1: You're like, I can't even stop to talk about my
Speaker 1: dead friend.
Speaker 3: Can we just like actually walk and talk? Is that cool?
Speaker 3: Like my kindred spirit of a pal?
Speaker 2: So Craigan asks, you think her and the lawyer has
Speaker 2: something to do with it? You know, they were the
Speaker 2: last people to see her alive. Or maybe it's still
Speaker 2: this bro husband. So let's go to the morgue. Then
Speaker 2: also check with the husband's neighbors and also talk to
Speaker 2: the husband in cement room bars. He tells them what
Speaker 2: they already know. There was no money. Then they asked
Speaker 2: him like you said, she wasn't into choke stuff, but
Speaker 2: we talked to someone else who said she loved it.
Speaker 3: So which is it murder or accident?
Speaker 2: And he had he has his head in his hands
Speaker 2: and they keep pushing him and he goes, you know,
Speaker 2: he sighs heavily, and finally he's ready to spill some beans.
Speaker 2: We told everyone we met on the islands, but we
Speaker 2: really met in rehab. We just didn't want anyone to know.
Speaker 2: And they were both pill heads and knew the worst
Speaker 2: about each other, so he would have stuck by her
Speaker 2: side no matter what other weird shit she was up to.
Speaker 2: If she had only come clean, maybe she would still
Speaker 2: be alive today. So he says, Sydney was using drugs again.
Speaker 2: She was losing control, and they were at this bachelorette
Speaker 2: party and her and her friends attacked the mail stripper
Speaker 2: and it was reported to the cops because they were
Speaker 2: waiting for them. When they got back from their honeymoon.
Speaker 2: They raped this man stripper and that's why they were fighting.
Speaker 2: Someone killed my wife and it was probably him. Dramatic
Speaker 2: music plays Dun dun. Stabler looks skeptical. Benson and Stabler
Speaker 2: approach a hippie style van. It looks like they're selling
Speaker 2: wares or living I'm not sure. Later I do realize
Speaker 2: it is an animal shelters type of van situation. There's
Speaker 2: a woman out front, and then I ask for Peter Smith.
Speaker 2: He pops out from behind. He's like, what's up. He
Speaker 2: hands a puppy to the girl and walks with the
Speaker 2: cops and he's into them being there and ready to talk.
Speaker 2: He's like, oh my god, did you find the names
Speaker 2: of the other women who rape me? And Benson's like,
Speaker 2: so do you know Sidney Green and he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I do. Stayblor asks if he has seen her since
Speaker 2: the alleged drape, and he's upset, like, alleged excuse me,
Speaker 2: but no, he hasn't talked to her since her and
Speaker 2: her friends attacked him, And finally he goes, Okay, you
Speaker 2: are obviously not here to help me, so why are
Speaker 2: you here. They reveal that Sidney is dead and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you think I did it? And there clearly they do, sir,
Speaker 2: and he says, even though I have so many reasons
Speaker 2: to be angry, I didn't kill anyone, even though the
Speaker 2: cops ridiculed me and told the nurse that it was
Speaker 2: a scam. They go okay, okay, so what have been
Speaker 2: your movements for the past few days? He was at
Speaker 2: the animal shelter and then he you know, he walks
Speaker 2: in a huff and goes, you can even check with
Speaker 2: my supervisor. Benson is also like, well, her building had
Speaker 2: full secure there should be proof, like, what the fuck
Speaker 2: is going on? And we know that when all else fails,
Speaker 2: you go to the Emmy's office.
Speaker 3: But it's still not Melinda.
Speaker 2: She's not back from this fucking conference, and this guy,
Speaker 2: you know, he still thinks that she did it to herself.
Speaker 2: So there's a walk and talk and behind them is
Speaker 2: a DARE poster, which I found nostalgic and funny.
Speaker 3: And so do they still do that? No, it does.
Speaker 1: DARE still exist. A yeah, looks like it does. California,
Speaker 1: Dare America. There's all different kind of DARE shit on
Speaker 1: the internet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: DARE Officer training in Utah, twenty twenty three. It's still happening.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember anything except for okay. Our
Speaker 1: officer who came to talk to us about DARE was
Speaker 1: named Officer Lombard. I remember him exactly. I could probably
Speaker 1: draw his face from memory. He would always tell us like, so,
Speaker 1: if a guy, if guys come up to you in
Speaker 1: dungarees and offer you something, and we're like dungarees, like
Speaker 1: we're bumping on dungarees, or like we didn't know what
Speaker 1: that was. And then it was always just hilarious that
Speaker 1: dungarries are jeans, and he'd be like, so, if a
Speaker 1: guy comes up to you in jeans, run That was
Speaker 1: the big DARE takeaway for me.
Speaker 2: We had a woman cop and uh she I remember
Speaker 2: she went to a girl's desk and started like taking
Speaker 2: her you know, pencil case kaboodle thing and like taking
Speaker 2: all of her stuff and going, robbers want your stuff,
Speaker 2: so give them your stuff.
Speaker 3: That's what I remember. Just give them your stuff.
Speaker 1: God, but asking a kid to part with a kaboodle huge.
Speaker 3: I was obsessed. Hide and a black on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Woo you still have it? No, that's a sexy color. No,
Speaker 3: I have like the re release, Like I like, someone
Speaker 3: got me a gift. I keep my pins in it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not an original.
Speaker 1: Like I had this fucking CVS style perfume called Calliente.
Speaker 3: I would keep that in my kaboodle. What a time
Speaker 3: to be alive anyway, keep cinnamon. What is cali Calliente?
Speaker 5: It was like some cheap smelling thing that I thought
Speaker 5: was amazing, Like I don't think I put it on
Speaker 5: because my mom was probably like, stop wearing slut perfume.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what caliente it felt like what it
Speaker 1: smelled like, but it wasn't. It wasn't like a light
Speaker 1: floral gap scent that I should have been wearing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: It was like but you know, there's like a little
Speaker 2: joke where it goes. You know, Dare made me feel
Speaker 2: like people were just going to be offering me drugs
Speaker 2: everywhere I went. I know it's not the reality of life,
Speaker 2: but where it is I don't know.
Speaker 1: No, but like they made it seem like you wouldn't
Speaker 1: have to have any money. They would just come up
Speaker 1: to you and be like, hey, you want drugs. And
Speaker 1: I guess they thought the point was like they'd get
Speaker 1: you with the first sample, you'd get hooked, and then
Speaker 1: you'd come back with money, right, is that what's happening?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh god, it just made me think of a
Speaker 3: horrible scene in Euphoria with Martha Kelly. I'm still gonna watch.
Speaker 3: I'm still gonna watch a manipulative, evil bitch.
Speaker 1: Not the actress, of course, but oh we love Martha
Speaker 1: an SVU fan and I think an occasional listener of
Speaker 1: our podcast, Oh, such.
Speaker 3: A bad person. God shivers up my spine.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Finn, Stabler, Benson and Stabler what why would
Speaker 2: I write?
Speaker 3: Stabler twice.
Speaker 2: Is not into this story, But Finn and Benson are
Speaker 2: down with that conclusion. And what conclusion we really I
Speaker 2: don't even remember what I'm talking about. We got sidetracked
Speaker 2: by the Dare pot. I also remember like there was
Speaker 2: a lion, a cute lion and a Dare shirt that
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed. But I think it's a waste of
Speaker 2: taxpayer money. Okay, yeah, So was she alone?
Speaker 3: Was she not?
Speaker 2: Is it the women? Is it the husband? What's going on?
Speaker 2: And Finn goes, we got to just wait for Melnda
Speaker 2: to come back from the conference. So Benson's like, no, no,
Speaker 2: we have an open rape case. Like we it's not
Speaker 2: just this murder. We also have a rape case and
Speaker 2: we have to work on it. And Stabler does not
Speaker 2: want to and Cabot doesn't want it either. She's like,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking a man rape case. Everyone. This is honestly,
Speaker 2: it seems like the eighties but it's not. And I
Speaker 2: bet it's still you know, taboo to this day. Too
Speaker 2: many people. So we meet up with a dream threesome.
Speaker 2: We have Stabler. Why wouldn't I write who else it is?
Speaker 2: It's it's Cabots, Stabler and Kragan and they're all talking,
Speaker 2: and you know, Stabler goes, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, he wasn't even drunk. There's no weapon.
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it and and you know, nobody buys it,
Speaker 2: and a jury's not going to buy it. And Cabot's like, listen,
Speaker 2: if a crime took place, I'll handle a jury. Sailor
Speaker 2: goes fuck, okay, So we're gonna do the first man
Speaker 2: victim rape case, okay. And it's like, would this have
Speaker 2: been the first male rape case in New York City?
Speaker 3: I mean, I doubt it, but I mean the true
Speaker 3: crime I'm going to talk to you about is from
Speaker 3: way earlier than this, but it's not in New York City,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, but I can't imagine.
Speaker 2: So Stabler accuses Cabot like, oh, you're doing this for attention,
Speaker 2: and she does not like that. So we have an
Speaker 2: erection debate, like you know, doesn't count if someone's hard,
Speaker 2: but the law disagrees with Stabler.
Speaker 3: You can be hard and be raped.
Speaker 2: And Cabot's sending them to go talk to the victim
Speaker 2: and get his statement.
Speaker 3: But we have even bigger problems.
Speaker 2: It's not up to Cabot and her boss doesn't want
Speaker 2: none of this case like at all. So we're at
Speaker 2: a park outdoor walk and talk, which is you know,
Speaker 2: Cabot wind in her hair and there's a man in
Speaker 2: a suit, and he's like, listen, a man stripper. I
Speaker 2: don't think so, and I don't want to do this.
Speaker 2: And there are photos in the file and Cabot's like,
Speaker 2: what the fuck? You don't like his professions, so that's that,
Speaker 2: and he's like whatever. So he claims three women cuffed
Speaker 2: him into a bed and assaulted him. Come on, he
Speaker 2: doesn't want to spend tax mayor of money on this.
Speaker 2: It's not a believaable guy. And even his living girlfriend
Speaker 2: didn't buy it. So if you want to fuck with
Speaker 2: your reputation on this flimsy case, you have at it.
Speaker 2: But I'm not doing it. She goes, fine, I don't care,
Speaker 2: I'll do it. Give me your notes. He agrees to
Speaker 2: the note exchange, so we go to talk to his
Speaker 2: girlfriend at the time of attack, who says they broke
Speaker 2: up a while ago. She's in a white T shirt
Speaker 2: working at a restaurant, which it gets messy. I really
Speaker 2: don't understand the chef situation, or is it a brag like,
Speaker 2: look how clean my whites are. I don't know that
Speaker 2: is I know for the cheesecake factory, they're supposed to
Speaker 2: look like bakers, but for a while, I thought it
Speaker 2: was because they were supposed to look like cheesecakes.
Speaker 3: And I like her. So she's working at this restaurant.
Speaker 2: She's like, listen, I wasn't at the party, okay, but
Speaker 2: she doesn't believe that a man can be raped by
Speaker 2: a woman, and then she gives details that aren't really relevant.
Speaker 2: She was like, he was a kept man of a
Speaker 2: woman twelve years older than him, and Sabler goes, but
Speaker 2: he has rich parents and she's like, yeah, they didn't
Speaker 2: want to waste money on his drama degree.
Speaker 3: Get real.
Speaker 2: Everyone just keeps doing come on, get real, Okay, Like
Speaker 2: this whole episode, everyone is.
Speaker 1: Really really crazy because it's like this is the job
Speaker 1: of law enforcement to like stretch, like and to question
Speaker 1: what has been legal for a long time, because, like
Speaker 1: I mean, marital rape was allowed until nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 1: like until some prosecutor or some eightya was like I'm
Speaker 1: going to take this on. I don't really think that
Speaker 1: women should be able to be raped by their husbands,
Speaker 1: you know, and then it was changed. So it's like, yes,
Speaker 1: someone has to be the first person to take on
Speaker 1: a male rape case and like make it a legitimate
Speaker 1: thing because of course it's a real thing, you know,
Speaker 1: and everybody's just like, come on, the boner is the boner.
Speaker 1: It's like, it's crazy logic. But maybe it's because I've
Speaker 1: been watching twenty five years of.
Speaker 3: This television show.
Speaker 2: It is always funny when you start talking su with
Speaker 2: some buddy, because I am squeezing it in most conversations,
Speaker 2: and then it's always like, so what are they on
Speaker 2: twenty and then you'll go twenty five, get out of here.
Speaker 3: It's like every conversation goes like that.
Speaker 2: So Stabler finally asks this waitress like, okay, then why
Speaker 2: do you think Peter would come forward? She goes attention,
Speaker 2: Peter one time cheated on me with a casting director
Speaker 2: to get a part in a play. He'll do anything
Speaker 2: to get ahead. Benson steps I mean, I do like
Speaker 2: that a man is being treated like a woman. That
Speaker 2: is kind of nice, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But like, also the idea that anybody would be
Speaker 1: like I'm going a clean rape because I think that's
Speaker 1: really going to get me ahead of my career is
Speaker 1: like what.
Speaker 2: It's such a gas lighty theory because that's never happened ever.
Speaker 2: Benson steps up to her, but she says, no, he
Speaker 2: is going to be on the news and in interviews,
Speaker 2: and like he probably thinks this is all worth it.
Speaker 3: I know him.
Speaker 2: Sabler's fine with that, and Benson's like, whatever, she just
Speaker 2: told you what you wanted to hear, stopping an asshole,
Speaker 2: and let's keep working. So Stabler does a working lunch
Speaker 2: with b. D. Wong aka George Hwang doctor. I love
Speaker 2: when they eat at work so much. Everyone knows that.
Speaker 2: So maybe he can convince Stabler that men can get raped.
Speaker 3: Stabler is like he works out, what the hell?
Speaker 2: And Huang's like, okay, but you know, we're also taught
Speaker 2: not to hit women and not to fight back, and
Speaker 2: so like maybe he didn't want to, you know, punch
Speaker 2: a woman in the face before he was handcuffed.
Speaker 1: The thing is is like the guy was probably handcuffed
Speaker 1: to the bed thinking it was all part of like
Speaker 1: the game, right, Like I don't think he was handcuffed
Speaker 1: against his will.
Speaker 3: I think he thought, oh, like whatever, they're gonna like
Speaker 3: like you know.
Speaker 2: And now we later find now we later find out
Speaker 2: about the letter opener or did we already find out
Speaker 2: about that there was a letter opener? That's a letter opener.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was fine. I'm here being like, but you
Speaker 2: can't hit, you cannot fight back of your handcuffed. That's
Speaker 2: just the bottom line. But okay, yeah, we're getting a
Speaker 2: lot of toxic masculinity from Stabler.
Speaker 3: Go on, go on, I know he's such a fool. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And Stabler doesn't like this whole thing, like we're taught
Speaker 2: not to like fight women. He goes, that's bullshit. If
Speaker 2: he felt trapped that self defense, just do it hit
Speaker 2: the woman. Statebler screams, he doesn't scream, but whatever. And
Speaker 2: then George is like, well he was ashamed, no control, pride,
Speaker 2: like self esteem were violated, like he was in a
Speaker 2: different headspace. And he bites into his cracker in a
Speaker 2: way that you're like, this man is so.
Speaker 3: Gay, Like how did nobody know?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, It's just like the sassiest
Speaker 2: little bite of a cracker.
Speaker 3: I'm like, George Huang is out there. He is at
Speaker 3: the eagle.
Speaker 2: I did like recently on Instagram there was a photo
Speaker 2: of him and Stephanie March like out and.
Speaker 1: About I posted it to our Instagram stories. They were
Speaker 1: some were cool. It was her birthday. I think it
Speaker 1: was like her fiftieth. Yeah, I love that they're but
Speaker 1: it's amaze. So they talk about how this is the
Speaker 1: price of female equality.
Speaker 2: I kind of hate the conversation they have, and so
Speaker 2: they're like, you want equality, then you're gonna get raped,
Speaker 2: and I just expect more from George Wong. So we
Speaker 2: have the victim back in the office and Sailor is
Speaker 2: gonna try to talk to him again. Sailor asks if
Speaker 2: he's still a stripper, and it's like, no, I stopped
Speaker 2: after the rape. And he's like, you know, the job
Speaker 2: was good. I gave me a lot of free time
Speaker 2: so I can audition in the day, but I also
Speaker 2: gave up on acting too, Like I don't need this
Speaker 2: in my life. So I guess the attention angle isn't
Speaker 2: really true. Sailor looks bored and condescending and is like, okay,
Speaker 2: so you showed up in your little cop outfit, so
Speaker 2: tell us what happened.
Speaker 1: I got that really burned stabler that he showed up
Speaker 1: in a cop outfit, Like you didn't go to the academy.
Speaker 3: He says.
Speaker 2: See, he got there late and there was like thirty
Speaker 2: women or so, and they were pretty sauced and hungry.
Speaker 2: For entertainment, so he danced for them, and Sailor's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so were you drugged? And he gets mad and turns
Speaker 2: around dramatically and is like, oh, you think that's the
Speaker 2: only way it could happen. She wanted to pay him,
Speaker 2: but said the check book was in a different room.
Speaker 2: So when they got in there, he saw a desk.
Speaker 2: The light turned on and he realized that they were
Speaker 2: in a spare bedroom and the two other women were
Speaker 2: waiting for him. One had a letter opener and tried
Speaker 2: to stab him. The other two pulled him back, cuffed
Speaker 2: him to the bedposts. The music was so loud that
Speaker 2: nobody could hear him screaming. He gets up and looks
Speaker 2: out the window. He shakes by the blinds. He didn't
Speaker 2: want to, but his body he can't explain it. Benson
Speaker 2: encourages him. He yelled and screamed no and threatened to
Speaker 2: call the cops. And then one of them said what
Speaker 2: she said at the top of the episode, which I
Speaker 2: didn't sit.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Whatever.
Speaker 2: She goes, what you know about the law wouldn't fit
Speaker 2: in the palm of her hand, or would fit I
Speaker 2: think it's would fit. Yeah, whatever, she says this to
Speaker 2: the detectives earlier, so I think, you know, Pam Adler,
Speaker 2: Amelia Chase suddenly there. They're seeming more suspicious, so yeah,
Speaker 2: what you know would fit in the palm of my hand. Okay, bitch.
Speaker 2: So Pam Adler was in the bedroom, so Amelia Chase
Speaker 2: has to be the third person. So there's a full
Speaker 2: team meeting in. Stabler is still saying he's an actor.
Speaker 2: I don't believe it. He's making this up, and Benson
Speaker 2: seems like the only one really fighting for him, and
Speaker 2: Craigan says it's lineup time. So they bring in Chase
Speaker 2: and Adler and Munch and Finner at the fancy office
Speaker 2: and Amelia is hard at work with a view. She
Speaker 2: has a secretary. Oh there's an orchid. There's a little ponytail.
Speaker 2: But they want her downtown now for a lineup. She
Speaker 2: of course doesn't want to. They of course threatened to
Speaker 2: come back during busy trading hours. So she goes in.
Speaker 2: Adler is in a walk and talk with men in suits.
Speaker 2: There's giant columns. Benson and Stabler are there to grab her,
Speaker 2: and she thinks she's gonna, you know, go to court,
Speaker 2: but they say no, you're in a lineup, babe. So
Speaker 2: she tells the other suit men like what to do,
Speaker 2: and she has to go do this lineup. Carolyn Maddox
Speaker 2: walks in.
Speaker 3: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 2: H pounder CC pounder pounder. Okay, so I got it
Speaker 2: right but wrong, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: cch Carolyn Maddox walks in and shakes hands with Cabot.
Speaker 2: They have a lawyer SmackDown chat vibe. Maddox is impressed
Speaker 2: with Cabot and is like, Oh, this is gonna be fun.
Speaker 2: You're a formidable opponent. And I really like their dynamic
Speaker 2: throughout all this, Like they're just badass bitches who are
Speaker 2: who are excited to kind of brawl a little bit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like this is the kind of female competition, healthy
Speaker 1: female competition that we like, not the kind where you
Speaker 1: make a lot of money and then choke your friend out.
Speaker 3: You know, we like these two.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good foil to the problematic group
Speaker 1: friend group that the poor victim was part of.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're right, you're so right. So it's
Speaker 2: lineup time. The women enter. He quickly goes number three.
Speaker 2: That's Adler. What I know about the law. Remember, yeah,
Speaker 2: we remember. So Benson says, jac I didn't say it
Speaker 2: up top, and I do regret it, but I don't
Speaker 2: know whatever. Yeah, Benson says that's two for two, and
Speaker 2: Cabot says to read her or her rights and Benson
Speaker 2: goes to do them. Pounder's like, oh, hell yeah, get
Speaker 2: ready to be famous. See you in court. Cabot smirks.
Speaker 2: So we're in court. The women approach with their lawyers.
Speaker 2: The judge is also like, you know, this is an
Speaker 2: unusual precedent. I'm not really I don't really get this,
Speaker 2: and Pounder goes, yeah, you know, this is about Cabot
Speaker 2: getting you know, her name in the paper. Cabot's offended,
Speaker 2: and the judge goes, Okay, save your energy, dear, and
Speaker 2: they're released on their own recognisance, which is like pretty wild,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, media stare time. And she says
Speaker 2: her only crime is being a confident sexual woman and
Speaker 2: that he is a fame hungry liar and she's a
Speaker 2: professional and she's sexy, and that he's getting in the
Speaker 2: way of real victims of rape. So Maddox and Cabot
Speaker 2: walked down the stairs, fighting back and forth, thinks she's
Speaker 2: making a mockery of this and that this is awful
Speaker 2: towards real victims, and Kabbait goes, okay, so what is
Speaker 2: that going to be your closing argument? She says, this
Speaker 2: isn't going a trial. I'll see you in chambers, lady,
Speaker 2: and hands her a paper. So we're in Norah Lewin's
Speaker 2: office and this is the DA and what do you know,
Speaker 2: it's Diane Weste.
Speaker 3: So that's pretty exciting. And she's only in a few svws.
Speaker 3: I know she's so yeah good. I feel like we
Speaker 3: were just talking about her. Yeah, I love Diane Wete,
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And so she's like, babe, don't you think you bid
Speaker 2: off a little more than you can chew? I wish
Speaker 2: I did good impressions. I like her calming, soothing voice.
Speaker 2: But yeah, she's like, I think you bit off too much.
Speaker 2: You can chew With this high profile case. There's a
Speaker 2: man in a suit sitting down to and Diana is chic.
Speaker 2: She's in olive green, cute little glasses. So Kabak goes,
Speaker 2: what you don't want me to do this? She goes,
Speaker 2: you can do it. But this man here in a
Speaker 2: suit stand he's going to be first chair and then
Speaker 2: you guys will tag team. But of course is offended.
Speaker 2: But Diane is like, listen, you have a personal history
Speaker 2: with Pam Adler. It doesn't look good. Cabot's like, so what,
Speaker 2: I just lost the case to her, It does not
Speaker 2: mean I have an agenda, and she's like, oh, just
Speaker 2: stop being naive.
Speaker 3: They'll use it.
Speaker 2: So we need to make sure that our you know,
Speaker 2: that our witness gets the best he can and this
Speaker 2: duo is good. So now she shows them pounders paper
Speaker 2: and that they're challenging the law. So we run on
Speaker 2: off to Judge Petrowski's office and the argument is that
Speaker 2: only men can be charged with rape one and that's
Speaker 2: gender bias. Maddox states that this bias can like was
Speaker 2: pointed out from a case by a wife raping convict
Speaker 2: trying to get out on appeal, and Cabot goes, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he didn't win his appeal, but it did change
Speaker 2: the law. Maddox responds, going, this is bs, so what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen?
Speaker 1: And that, by the way, that that case they're talking
Speaker 1: about is called people Versus Liberta and it's from nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty four and I have looked it up and sadly
Speaker 1: there is no Wikipedia it, so I actually have to
Speaker 1: read like lost stuff, and I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do that very well. But I'm sure our lawyer girlies
Speaker 1: and boys know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the lawyer papers. It's just the level that I
Speaker 3: can't really engage in. Petrovsky says, I want to hear
Speaker 3: everything about all this, so you know, we'll have a
Speaker 3: little hearing. It'll be, but I need it to be
Speaker 3: diligent and brief. So we're in court for you know,
Speaker 3: a debate. Maddox, this is going to go back and
Speaker 3: forth for a while. I'm kind of annoyed. Okay, so
Speaker 3: let's see if I could do it.
Speaker 2: Maddix says rape needs penetration, and so women can't do that,
Speaker 2: and Cabot says, hello, filating a man against his will
Speaker 2: can get a woman sodomy won, And Maddox goes, Nope,
Speaker 2: I don't care. I think arousal equals consent, and Cabot goes,
Speaker 2: physical signs don't hold more power than an audible no, and.
Speaker 3: Put it on a T shirt. Put it on a
Speaker 3: T shirt. Maddix says, women don't rape, stop it, and
Speaker 3: Cabot's like, we thought it was wild for a mother
Speaker 3: to kill a child, but now it's the first person
Speaker 3: that we see suspect. And this goes on and on,
Speaker 3: Like I said, are women equal to men or are
Speaker 3: they not? So the motion is denied by Petrovsky and
Speaker 3: we're going to court. So Cabot and the victim meet
Speaker 3: up and everyone hates him. They're chasing him down the streets,
Speaker 3: harassing him. Scary, scary. Cabot says, yeah, and also, they're
Speaker 3: gonna dig into your past, so you need to tell
Speaker 3: me anything they might find. He goes, well, my dad
Speaker 3: said my passion be brought into the trial and Cabot's like,
Speaker 3: shut up, your dad's a fucking moron. Now she goes
Speaker 3: it might not be allowed, but they're gonna find ways
Speaker 3: around it.
Speaker 2: And she's like, why are you so concerned? Is there
Speaker 2: something you haven't told me? And he goes no, no, no,
Speaker 2: and then asks for a ride home because the vultures
Speaker 2: are out there. You know, there's a scene in BoJack
Speaker 2: Horse where Boja like he's getting mobbed by the press
Speaker 2: and paparazzi and he goes, God, these vultures, but there's
Speaker 2: two vultures hanging out drinking at the bar, and they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm sure he didn't mean us. It's really funny. Okay,
Speaker 2: So we're in court. A woman from the party is
Speaker 2: on the stand and she says that Peter arrived around ten.
Speaker 3: He danced.
Speaker 2: There was money at basic strip time, but she didn't
Speaker 2: notice the defendants weren't there because she was preoccupied until
Speaker 2: Sidney Green told everyone to leave. Adler and Amelia Chase
Speaker 2: are smug and they're grinning watching this and it's weird.
Speaker 2: The woman on the stand says, she goes, it's weird
Speaker 2: that Sydney kicks us out. You know, that doesn't really
Speaker 2: happen often. And I thought it was rude, but now
Speaker 2: it makes sense. But it doesn't matter. I you know,
Speaker 2: I had to go home to the babysitter anyways. So
Speaker 2: a relatable queen, and so the matto says, no questions,
Speaker 2: no questions from the defense. Peter is now on the
Speaker 2: stand and he talks about the letter opener and he
Speaker 2: thought she was too drunk but she couldn't get the weapon,
Speaker 2: and he still thought it was fine, but once he
Speaker 2: was being dragged like, he says, it's usually chill it's
Speaker 2: kind of what you were saying. He goes, sometimes the
Speaker 2: women get wild, it's a wild night, they grabby, grabby,
Speaker 2: But this was different because of the cuffing, and it
Speaker 2: happened really quick. Any points that Amelia Chase did the
Speaker 2: cuff So Pam Adler's trying is now trying to defend
Speaker 2: herself and question him. I believe that's bullying. Petrovsky is
Speaker 2: hissed and finds this repulsive Maddix. So all of them
Speaker 2: come up to the judges stand and Maddox is like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, this seems fine to me, and Keab
Speaker 2: it's like this is an intimidation tactic on a rape
Speaker 2: victim and interrupts an alleged rape. And the guy in
Speaker 2: the suit is also against this, but the judge has
Speaker 2: to allow it, like she is a lawyer and she
Speaker 2: does have a right to defend herself. So Judge Petrofsky
Speaker 2: points her finger at Pam and goes, if you cross
Speaker 2: the line at all, I will hold you in contempt.
Speaker 2: So she walks on over and asks Peter about him
Speaker 2: going to the gym, and like it's going to be
Speaker 2: the strong man defense and that he can protect himself.
Speaker 2: And she does have an evil vibe and dark eyes,
Speaker 2: and so then a bomb drops. She goes, did you
Speaker 2: file a civil suit for five million dollars against Sydney Green?
Speaker 2: He looks guilty, He's taken aback, even though Habit fucking
Speaker 2: warned him shifty, and so he says he needed information.
Speaker 3: He does. He's like, that's not what it looks like,
Speaker 3: but he asks.
Speaker 2: He's forced to answer, and so Maddox leans forward with
Speaker 2: a grin, and you know, he goes, yeah, I did it.
Speaker 2: So she keeps saying alleged as well, and he screams,
Speaker 2: I didn't want money. I wanted names. Pam asks for
Speaker 2: immediate dismissal. Cabot is pissed. Her hair is very bouncy.
Speaker 2: Stabler is there with Peter and Cat and Cabot and
Speaker 2: they're screaming at him. They're like, you know, Stabler, suspicions
Speaker 2: were right. You blind signed us with the civil suit.
Speaker 2: He goes, I didn't think it mattered, and the suitman yells,
Speaker 2: everything matters.
Speaker 3: So what else did you lie about? He goes nothing.
Speaker 2: So now Benson is yelling too, and he's like, Stabler
Speaker 2: was on to me, and you know he wanted to
Speaker 2: drop it from the start, so I didn't want to
Speaker 2: say anything that would cause cause it, you know, all
Speaker 2: of you to think I just did it for the money,
Speaker 2: and Stabler goes, then what is it then? And he goes,
Speaker 2: I wanted my rapist names. Then the cops didn't help me,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know how else to get it. And
Speaker 2: they're like, but what if you did make money, He goes,
Speaker 2: I would donate it to the animal shelter. I need
Speaker 2: those rapist names. So the suitman's like, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: get it, but there's a jury and there's no way
Speaker 2: to prove your intentions. Benson has an idea, let's get
Speaker 2: the civil lawyer to fill us in. So Stabler's an
Speaker 2: asshole though, and Peter goes, I was raped. What do
Speaker 2: you have against me? Sidney Green was coming forward. So
Speaker 2: her lawyer actually ended up calling Peter after he was
Speaker 2: accused of killing her, and he said, Sydney agreed to
Speaker 2: give me the names, but the death nullified the suit,
Speaker 2: so what did he do wrong? And everyone is silent
Speaker 2: because he should have said that as well, like that
Speaker 2: she was going to talk and everything. Benson walks into
Speaker 2: the main office area Hubbub and says Peter was telling
Speaker 2: the truth. The lawyer said he didn't want the money,
Speaker 2: just the names, and the day before her death, she
Speaker 2: contacted the lawyer to set up a meeting to come forward.
Speaker 2: So that sounds like a motive for murder. So the
Speaker 2: girls could have killed her. But you know, science did
Speaker 2: say self inflicted. But Melinda's back from the conference. Oh
Speaker 2: thank god. She says, Justin's a good pathologist, but not
Speaker 2: very imaginative, and female autoerotics are very rare, and he
Speaker 2: missed something. It is a murder, she says, Well, most
Speaker 2: women don't use porn. They fantasize, and auto eroticism is
Speaker 2: addicting and habitual, so there would have been signs like
Speaker 2: there would have been a lot of scarves and silk
Speaker 2: to help, you know, with the rope chaf and women
Speaker 2: who do this often were turtlenecks and scarves to cover
Speaker 2: the scars. And she says that the knots were done
Speaker 2: by a pro so someone that practices this. And so
Speaker 2: they have to go back and look at the crime scene.
Speaker 2: So they're there, you know, the powerful three, Melinda Benson, Stabler,
Speaker 2: and they're going to try to solve the crime and
Speaker 2: nail some evidence, so they start improvising a scene. Benson
Speaker 2: climbs on the bed trying to get a look on
Speaker 2: the fan. There's dust on the ceiling and she goes, fuck,
Speaker 2: they didn't dust for Prince. They only dust by the fan.
Speaker 2: Melinda shakes her head. I guess she can't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: So now the not novak aaka Amelia Chase and her
Speaker 2: lawyer are in cement room bar and Cabot is walking
Speaker 2: in ready to drop the bomb. She says, your client
Speaker 2: is under arrest for the murder of Sydney Green, so
Speaker 2: plead out to murder too, and she testifies against Pam
Speaker 2: Adler and she can get twelve and a half for
Speaker 2: the murder in seven to fifteen for the rape. The
Speaker 2: lawyer is sarcastic, like, well, great deal. But the prints
Speaker 2: are brought up, so suddenly the stakes are higher and
Speaker 2: he's like, you know they're friends, and Cabot goes, the
Speaker 2: prints were on the ceiling above the bed, babe, and
Speaker 2: we also searched your client's home and we found a
Speaker 2: bunch of choking shit. And then Kabba goes, why don't
Speaker 2: you remove your scarf from your neck? And she knows
Speaker 2: the jig is up, so she shuts up her little
Speaker 2: lawyer and she goes squeeze those numbers. I need a
Speaker 2: better sentence. But she does agree to like flip on
Speaker 2: Pam Adler. So Cabot goes tell me about the rape
Speaker 2: and it cuts to her on the STA So I
Speaker 2: really like this editing. So first she says she hated
Speaker 2: Sydney Green's fiance, that he was beneath her, and Pam
Speaker 2: goes up to her at the party and says that
Speaker 2: she made an arrangement with the stripper. She also confirms
Speaker 2: the story that of you know, we've heard from Peter
Speaker 2: this whole time, and she also added that at the
Speaker 2: end she threw cash at him and Maddox tries to
Speaker 2: get her, but Amelia Chase was there, so how could you?
Speaker 2: And Amelia admits to like handcuffing him and that sends
Speaker 2: off Maddox like exactly you raped him and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and she really loses it here, is getting really heated
Speaker 2: and then brings up like, well you like, are you
Speaker 2: guys rapist or you guys just this sounds like a
Speaker 2: satisfied customer. She told you there was a deal in place.
Speaker 2: She threw the money at him, like what are you saying?
Speaker 2: So that's the end of the trial and we are
Speaker 2: now at what is it verdict? Yeah, verdict, So rape
Speaker 2: not guilty, sodomy not guilty, unlawful imprisonment not guilty, which
Speaker 2: is fucked up. He was handcuffed against his will, assault
Speaker 2: in the third degree guilty, and yeah, Adler hugs her lawyer.
Speaker 2: Cabot says, I'm sorry, Peter, we didn't get them both.
Speaker 2: He says, well, one is better than none. Alex congratulates
Speaker 2: Maddox and says, I didn't get the ruling I wanted.
Speaker 2: Maybe next time, and she walks off. She As she
Speaker 2: walks out of the courtroom, she like signals and walks
Speaker 2: away into the distance and the press mob Pam Adler
Speaker 2: camera lights everything. Then Stable and Benson come in and
Speaker 2: arrest her for the murder of Sydney Green. Stabler's cuffing her.
Speaker 2: She says, I'll beat this charge to counselor, and Cabot
Speaker 2: is not worried. Maddox turns to her and says, I
Speaker 2: guess next time is now? Want to go get a drink?
Speaker 2: Cabot says twenty five and Maddox responds sixteen, and you
Speaker 2: pick up the bar tab Cabot goes, are you crazy?
Speaker 3: She would only get twelve? I'm not doing that.
Speaker 2: And they're like friends and I like that, and they
Speaker 2: walk off into the bar and I hope this bitch
Speaker 2: is found guilty for murder and.
Speaker 3: I both got the tracks.
Speaker 1: Though, is like making a deal before she even knows
Speaker 1: a single minute of like the actual case, Like does
Speaker 1: she know if they have a case what? Like I
Speaker 1: guess she probably knows that they have Amelia, so whatever, but.
Speaker 2: They have Amelia, And I wonder if you know her
Speaker 2: prints were found anywhere. I am shocked that the unlawful
Speaker 2: imprisonment was not guilty, like he was handcuffed against I
Speaker 2: don't get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to see a fun like night
Speaker 1: out at a bar that's like cch Pounder, Elizabeth Marvel,
Speaker 1: all the female defense attorneys that are like crushers, you know,
Speaker 1: like even you know Natalie Natalie Cole has only one episode.
Speaker 3: But she's good.
Speaker 1: We got Viola Davis can come, Yeah, Viola Davis, Glenn Headley,
Speaker 1: We get all the female das to come in there.
Speaker 1: I mean defense attorneys come in there and uh really
Speaker 1: throw down and drink some pino and noiter okay for.
Speaker 2: All the women, and then all the men do a
Speaker 2: tug of war. I'd like to see that too, Buchanon,
Speaker 2: All right, tell us about these crimes.
Speaker 3: Let's get pissed.
Speaker 1: So this case is wild, wild, wild, Please everybody listen up,
Speaker 1: because I've never heard of this, and this is like truly,
Speaker 1: the details are out of control. It's the case of
Speaker 1: the manacled Mormon, which is a crime that happened in
Speaker 1: the seventies. So in September of nineteen seventy seven, a
Speaker 1: nineteen year old Mormon missionary named Kirk Anderson goes missing
Speaker 1: in Surrey in England, Okay.
Speaker 3: And at first this like barely made a blip on
Speaker 3: the news radar.
Speaker 1: Apparently there was like a lot of other stuff going
Speaker 1: on at the time, and so news, you know, and
Speaker 1: in the UK tabloids were like at a high at
Speaker 1: this time, but there was other stuff going on, and
Speaker 1: so nobody really cares about like a missing Mormon. And
Speaker 1: then the details emerged and this became one of the
Speaker 1: biggest void obsessions and people were obsessed. So Kirk had
Speaker 1: apparently been taken right off the steps of a church
Speaker 1: of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. If you've seen
Speaker 1: Book of Mormon, I can all I ever think of
Speaker 1: is like the Church of Jesus Christ of.
Speaker 3: Latter day Saints. So and a guy.
Speaker 1: It was a guy named Keith May who took him.
Speaker 1: And Keith was twenty four years old, so allegedly he
Speaker 1: pretended to be an investigator for the Mormon church, used
Speaker 1: a fake gun and chloroformed him and kidnapped him. Three
Speaker 1: days later he was freed and when and he told
Speaker 1: police that he had been taken to a cottage in Devon,
Speaker 1: chained to a bed, and a woman named Joyce McKinney
Speaker 1: had tried to seduce him and ultimately raped him, like
Speaker 1: multiple times.
Speaker 3: And now this woman was not unknown to him.
Speaker 1: He and Joyce had actually previously met in Provo, Utah,
Speaker 1: where after she converted to Mormonism, she had moved and
Speaker 1: she had been trying to weasel her way into the
Speaker 1: Osmond family. Okay, she'd been trying to figure out who
Speaker 1: she could become friends with. I don't even know any
Speaker 1: of the other Osmond's besides Donnie and Marie, but apparently
Speaker 1: there was like some other off brand Ozmond that she
Speaker 1: was trying to start a relationship with and she eventually
Speaker 1: kind of had a friendship with him, but like I guess,
Speaker 1: the mom Osmond was like, oh, fuck, no, this lady
Speaker 1: seems bunkers, like, get her out of here. So the
Speaker 1: Osmond situation did not pan out for her. And later
Speaker 1: she met Kirk and he is nineteen and she's twenty five,
Speaker 1: and they start dating. She says she lost her virginity
Speaker 1: to him. She also later claims she became pregnant from
Speaker 1: the relationship, but had a miscarriage. Kurt felt immense guilt
Speaker 1: that they had sexual, you know, relations because of religion,
Speaker 1: and he confessed to the quote unquote elders of the church,
Speaker 1: and they put a stop to the relationship. They shipped
Speaker 1: Kirk's a little butt right off over to England to
Speaker 1: keep doing his missionary work. And this made Joyce Like
Speaker 1: Joyce did not like the reaction of the church, and
Speaker 1: you know what, she lost her faith. She quit Mormonism,
Speaker 1: but she couldn't quit Kirk. Okay, she followed him around
Speaker 1: the US before he had gotten shipped off off, to
Speaker 1: the point that at one point he was living under
Speaker 1: an assumed like a different name to avoid her then
Speaker 1: when he went to England, she hired a detective to
Speaker 1: find him.
Speaker 3: Okay, she's in love and obsessed. I mean, it's not funny.
Speaker 1: If it was a man, we'd be like, this is
Speaker 1: a psychostalker, and that is what I feel about her,
Speaker 1: But it is. It's just funnier for some reason because
Speaker 1: of the situation. But we shouldn't be laughing because that's
Speaker 1: the whole point of the episode. So she somehow teamed
Speaker 1: up with this Keith may dude. I don't know how
Speaker 1: they know each other. I don't know what his stake is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's promising him money. There's like
Speaker 1: really not that much info about this, except there is
Speaker 1: a documentary that I'll talk about later, but I didn't
Speaker 1: get a chance.
Speaker 3: To watch it.
Speaker 1: They flew to England to get her man, Okay, her
Speaker 1: and Keith. So Keith kidnaps Kirk, like we talked about,
Speaker 1: brings him to the cottage, and allegedly the reason that
Speaker 1: she kept him there for three days and was like
Speaker 1: raping him repeatedly was she was attempting to get pregnant
Speaker 1: with his child. She claimed that tying him up was
Speaker 1: just a game and that it was to get him
Speaker 1: to chill out about his religious guilt around sex and
Speaker 1: that it was consensual.
Speaker 3: But Kirk very much claims he was assaulted. After three days,
Speaker 3: they just allowed him to leave, which is wild. And
Speaker 3: then Joyce and Keith were just arrested immediately and they
Speaker 3: were held in prison for three months. In that time,
Speaker 3: Joyce was desperate for press, Like she would call newspapers,
Speaker 3: she would talk to them about sex and blowjobs and
Speaker 3: all this shit. And she was like this cute, horny,
Speaker 3: blonde woman with a Southern accent. So the Brits were
Speaker 3: going wild.
Speaker 1: If you've seen that video where the girls are like,
Speaker 1: I get die in for it, that's what it reminds
Speaker 1: me of.
Speaker 3: They are dying for this woman. They love her.
Speaker 1: The prosecution argued that she was a stalker, which I mean,
Speaker 1: that's really adding up in court kirk Anderson's account read quote,
Speaker 1: she grabbed my pajamas from just around my neck and
Speaker 1: tore them from my body. The chains were tight and
Speaker 1: I could not move. She proceeded to have inner Kirk course,
Speaker 1: I did not want it to happen. I was very
Speaker 1: upset end quote. There's also I should mention like the
Speaker 1: defense is trying to act like this is impossib again
Speaker 1: because a previous relationship. And also he was weighed somehow
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mid two hundreds. She weighed somewhere in
Speaker 1: the mid one hundreds. How is this possible? But it's
Speaker 1: like they used chloroform, she had a male accomplice, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not impossible. Joyce's statements to the court included quote,
Speaker 1: I loved Kirk so much that I would have skied
Speaker 1: down Mount Everest in the nude with a carnation up
Speaker 1: my nose. That's like a famous quote of something she
Speaker 1: said about how much that she would do anything for him,
Speaker 1: including skiing down Mount Everest naked with a carnation upper nose.
Speaker 1: If that's giving you any idea of what's going on
Speaker 1: upstairs with this lady. So the tabloids are obsessed eating
Speaker 1: this up This becomes a huge tabloid story. And this
Speaker 1: is in the late seventies, and then in twenty ten,
Speaker 1: Errol Morris, who's a famous documentarian who made The Thin
Speaker 1: Blue Line, He's made a lot of other documentaries, he
Speaker 1: made a documentary about her called Tabloid. So the tabloids
Speaker 1: were loving it, but the courts were not as charmed
Speaker 1: by her and the case was going to trial, but
Speaker 1: this time she was granted bail.
Speaker 3: So it's like after the she was held in jail
Speaker 3: for three months.
Speaker 1: Then I think there was like I don't know, English
Speaker 1: court proceedings, there was some kind of initial court proceedings,
Speaker 1: maybe like the equivalent of a grand jury or something,
Speaker 1: and then after the court case was going to trial,
Speaker 1: she was granted bail. And under the Sexual Offenses Act
Speaker 1: of nineteen fifty six, which was being enforced in the
Speaker 1: UK at the time, no crime of rape was deemed
Speaker 1: to have been committed since the victim was mail. However,
Speaker 1: indecent assault of a man is a charge that did
Speaker 1: apply to her, So that's like what she was going
Speaker 1: to trial for, not even rape much like in the US,
Speaker 1: like until you know it was I don't think it
Speaker 1: was specifically said, but like at some point, you know,
Speaker 1: the courts had to accept it. But I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was like specifically ever in law that you
Speaker 1: couldn't rape a man, but it was in the UK.
Speaker 1: She used her time out on bail to cash in
Speaker 1: on the newfound fame. Okay, she went around to all
Speaker 1: these newspapers. She was kind of paitting newspapers against each
Speaker 1: other trying to sell her story, and the newspapers had
Speaker 1: like different There's like a lot of legal mumbo jumbo
Speaker 1: about which newspapers could actually a story by her because
Speaker 1: to not be considered interfering with the trial, you know.
Speaker 1: And so she ended up attending a premiere of a
Speaker 1: movie called The Stud that was based on a Joan
Speaker 1: Collins book, and she showed up with this journalist in
Speaker 1: a Rolls Royce.
Speaker 3: It was like a whole thing. She was photographed.
Speaker 1: And then I have to read this section from the
Speaker 1: article in the Guardian because it's very wild. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna read it verbatim because I can't paraphrase it
Speaker 1: any better than they wrote it.
Speaker 3: Quote.
Speaker 1: Within days of the Stud premiere, McKinney had vanished. She
Speaker 1: didn't turn up at the police station as required by
Speaker 1: her bail agreement. Instead, with the help of her landlady,
Speaker 1: whom she had charmed to her cause, she and May
Speaker 1: assumed the identities of two dead Mormons and slipped out
Speaker 1: of the country in disguise, pretending to be a pair
Speaker 1: of deaf mutes.
Speaker 3: End quote.
Speaker 1: I don't think this woman could do a British accent
Speaker 1: or whatever. I think they were like, if she talks,
Speaker 1: everyone will know it's her. She's been giving so many interviews,
Speaker 1: so let's make her a deaf mute. And she escaped
Speaker 1: back to the US, and apparently the British courts were
Speaker 1: basically in no mood. Much like Stabler. The British courts
Speaker 1: were like, okay, let's let it go. Like they were
Speaker 1: just not in a mood to continue with the trial,
Speaker 1: to extradite them back to England anything. So these people
Speaker 1: kind of just like didn't get any punishment. Two years later,
Speaker 1: in July nineteen seventy nine, Keith and Keith and Joyce
Speaker 1: were both arrested by the FBI on charges of making
Speaker 1: false statements in order to obtain passports, and they both
Speaker 1: got suspended sentences. So it's like even the FBI have
Speaker 1: them and was like, you guys aren't allowed to lie
Speaker 1: to get passports or whatever, and that was it. Two
Speaker 1: papers ended up publishing her story. One gave an account
Speaker 1: that she gave them and it's like the photo on
Speaker 1: the cover is like her and it's like the love
Speaker 1: of her life. It's like this they're trying to make
Speaker 1: it this like romantic story about her being just like
Speaker 1: trying to get the man of her dreams. And I
Speaker 1: think she's holding a flower or something.
Speaker 3: On the cover. It's like very demure. She's wearing a turtleneck.
Speaker 1: Another paper posted a photo of her like naked, lying
Speaker 1: on her stomach, very like playboy pin up, like sexy
Speaker 1: nude photo, and it talked all about her secret life
Speaker 1: as an escort and all this stuff. When she found
Speaker 1: out about the second one, she went ballistic. She had
Speaker 1: to be taken to a hospital and sedated. So you know,
Speaker 1: there's all this going on about this. And then in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty four, Joyce was arrested at the Salt Lake
Speaker 1: City Airport where Kirk Anderson worked. This is five years later.
Speaker 1: She's still obsessed with this guy. She's stalking him, even
Speaker 1: though at this point he's married and has children. When
Speaker 1: they checked her car, they found handcuffs, rope, and a
Speaker 1: notebook detailing all his movements. She insisted that she had
Speaker 1: driven to the Salt Lake City Airport to book a flight,
Speaker 1: but they later discovered that she had driven thousands of
Speaker 1: miles from North Carolina, which was her home state. So
Speaker 1: it's very much giving the astronaut lady with the diaper,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, this woman's driving across
Speaker 1: the country to like stalk this man at his airport job.
Speaker 1: In twenty ten, she does the tabloid documentary that I mentioned,
Speaker 1: but she did not like the way it turned out.
Speaker 1: You know, she showed up to screenings all over the US.
Speaker 1: She showed up to more screenings than Errol Morris showed
Speaker 1: up to. Then she protested a movie that she'd willingly
Speaker 1: participated in. She'd show up at screenings all over the country.
Speaker 1: She'd go in disguise. And then she told the New
Speaker 1: York Times quote, I sat till the audience started to
Speaker 1: leave and waited for the precise moment, and then jumped
Speaker 1: up and yelled, I'm Joyce McKinney. And the New York
Speaker 1: Times notes that she says it with considerable glee, and
Speaker 1: then Joyce says, they went crazy. So this woman is
Speaker 1: obsessed with fame and attention. Whereas I don't think our
Speaker 1: victim in the episode wanted fam and attention, this woman
Speaker 1: very much wanted it. In twenty sixteen, she tried to
Speaker 1: sue Errol Morris, saying he'd misrepresented her and that members
Speaker 1: of the She claimed that members of the production had
Speaker 1: broken into her home and threatened the life of her
Speaker 1: service dog if she did not release the footage. She
Speaker 1: did not sign release papers allowing them to use footage
Speaker 1: for the film. It doesn't get any better from here. Like,
Speaker 1: I think she has mental health issues. In twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: she was unhoused and living in her car in the
Speaker 1: San Gabriel Valley around LA We are a magnet for
Speaker 1: the mentally unwell here in Los Angeles, and sadly she
Speaker 1: was arrested for the hit and run of a Holocaust
Speaker 1: survivor in valley village, which is a wild kind of
Speaker 1: end to the story. This poor man named Jennety Blotsky
Speaker 1: was ninety one years old, had fled the Holocaust to
Speaker 1: Ukraine and had come to the state, had literally come
Speaker 1: to the States, had escaped all kinds of and then
Speaker 1: gets mowed down by this crazy lady in her car.
Speaker 1: It's really tragic and a sad story. And you know,
Speaker 1: his family was like I wish she had the decency
Speaker 1: to stop and not leave him dying in the street,
Speaker 1: because she did drive away, but they did get her,
Speaker 1: and the last stuff I could find about her was
Speaker 1: that like she was going to trial in twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: I think for that, but I'm imagining she's incarcerated or
Speaker 1: in a mental health facility. And then yeah, eventually, Anthony
Speaker 1: Delano did write a book about this whole thing called
Speaker 1: Joyce McKinney in the case of the manacled Mormon.
Speaker 3: So that's the story of Joyce, very very a very wild.
Speaker 1: One that was insane, Kara, I know, I know, I
Speaker 1: mean the amount of twists and turns. This woman also,
Speaker 1: like really I think loved the attention that the British
Speaker 1: tabloids were giving her and was just like.
Speaker 3: Eating that up. And then I think she thought that.
Speaker 1: The documentary would do that, and then when she realized
Speaker 1: I think that it made her look a little bit unwell,
Speaker 1: she protested it, but then that God was trying to
Speaker 1: give her more attention as well. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: seems like she probably had a diagnosis from a younger
Speaker 1: age that she was this obsessed with this man who
Speaker 1: she had a brief relationship with and followed him across
Speaker 1: literally oceans disguises I mean and disguises and smuggling out
Speaker 1: of the country. I mean, I also have to like,
Speaker 1: I also have to believe that in like the late seventies,
Speaker 1: there was way less TSA like no TSA like no,
Speaker 1: you know, easier to forge documents. You could walk people
Speaker 1: like onto the plane back in the day, you know, like,
Speaker 1: have you ever heard this story? Molly Shannon tells a
Speaker 1: story one time about how she just got on a
Speaker 1: plane going the wrong to the wrong place as a kid,
Speaker 1: like when she was ten. I was like, I don't
Speaker 1: think that that kind of stuff can really happen anymore,
Speaker 1: although you hear the you do hear the odd story
Speaker 1: about that happening. But yeah, that's that on that And
Speaker 1: we have an amazing guest coming up, a return guest
Speaker 1: that we're very excited about.
Speaker 3: So don't go anywhere our guest today. You know her,
Speaker 3: you love her.
Speaker 1: She's a deep friend of the pod and an SVU regular.
Speaker 1: She's also been on shows like The Following and NCIS,
Speaker 1: as well as Circle of Deception on Lifetime, but she's
Speaker 1: best known as Assistant District Attorney Casey Novak. Today is
Speaker 1: her first SVU appearance, where she portrays lawyer Amelia Chase.
Speaker 1: Please enjoy our conversation on her return to the podcast
Speaker 1: with Diane Neil Okay, so Diane is back.
Speaker 3: We are so excited.
Speaker 1: I just listened to our first we had you back
Speaker 1: episode thirteen, No, and this is going to be our
Speaker 1: episode in a like the one nineties.
Speaker 3: So it's really crazy. Yes, we had you on so early.
Speaker 3: You were like one of our first big gets, and
Speaker 3: now you're back.
Speaker 5: It's a kind thing to say, big gain. That's a
Speaker 5: kind thing to say, is we're really.
Speaker 3: Happy to have you back. Well, then you're sore only
Speaker 3: live show guest. Yes, I was going to say, really.
Speaker 6: That night was so much fun.
Speaker 3: What was that early twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: I think so the beginning of twenty two January twenty two,
Speaker 1: we had you on stage blowing the minds of four
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people that did not know that you
Speaker 1: were going to be on the show.
Speaker 6: It was in New York.
Speaker 1: It was a highlight, a career highlight for me for sure.
Speaker 1: And then you dropped a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: Tea about about Chester Lake and Dan Craig like flor sorry, I.
Speaker 6: Think do you remember me?
Speaker 5: Afterwards, I'm like, wait a minute, is this gonna Are
Speaker 5: you gonna play this as an episode?
Speaker 6: You guys like no, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So now we just tell people live show to
Speaker 1: live show. We just tell them, like it's like a
Speaker 1: secret game and telephone where we just tell people. So
Speaker 1: it's gonna get totally mutated at some point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna pick it up and be like Diane
Speaker 3: Neil talking trash. That's messed up.
Speaker 6: I always think when people are like trash, I'm like, no, no.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: If you didn't want people talking trash, you shouldn't have
Speaker 2: done something trashy?
Speaker 3: How about that? How about that?
Speaker 1: This episode, though, is ridicule all the way back season three.
Speaker 1: I mean truly, We do like to tell people how
Speaker 1: close episodes are to nine to eleven. This is three
Speaker 1: months after nine to eleven, this episode, and it is
Speaker 1: our first spotting of Diane Neil as a young Amelia Meliat,
Speaker 1: not Casey Novak Amelia Chase, a high powered finance bitch
Speaker 1: who just wants to make money and stick it to
Speaker 1: the dude at.
Speaker 6: Age twenty two.
Speaker 5: My friend, you guys, like, I'm sure you know Melissa Joanhart,
Speaker 5: who's actually six months older than I am, and we're buddies,
Speaker 5: and it's hilarious because she's like, she's like, why do people.
Speaker 6: Always think you're really old?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, I've been playing someone in my
Speaker 5: forties since I was in my ear like twenty yeah,
Speaker 5: and she's like, yeah, I've been playing teenagers since I
Speaker 5: was in my twenties, like Sabrina the Teenage, which she
Speaker 5: was never a teenager.
Speaker 6: Like she was like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's so funny because, like, you know, you've posted some
Speaker 1: of your old modeling pictures online and stuff, and like
Speaker 1: you look the same as you do in ridicule, but
Speaker 1: with a turtleneck and a scarf and a blazer. It's
Speaker 1: like that the wardrobe really does help, like your hair
Speaker 1: up in like a little you know, twist and then
Speaker 1: like a sort of a I don't want to say
Speaker 1: casual corner because I'm sure you were paying more money
Speaker 1: for these suits the character, but you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like these these really bland suits. Yeah, I thought you
Speaker 1: were in your mid right early to midy' you.
Speaker 5: Know, because the neckerchief just says I know how to
Speaker 5: tie a square enot.
Speaker 6: I feel like that's always an adult thing, Like.
Speaker 3: I slash, I like to maybe have a little bit
Speaker 3: of uh run in the bedroom. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if anybody is listening, that is a longtime listener.
Speaker 1: You will remember we talked to Diane about the episode Serendipity,
Speaker 1: but we did touch on ridicule, but we never talked
Speaker 1: about You're like this scene where Stephanie Marsch is like
Speaker 1: making you the offer and you're like, I'll be getting
Speaker 1: a senior citizen's discount, no way, Like because they want to.
Speaker 1: They want to offer you like seven for the for
Speaker 1: the rape and then like fifteen for the murder. I'm
Speaker 1: so young, fuck you yeah, and then they make you
Speaker 1: take off the scarves.
Speaker 5: I'm sure you're crazy about that episode. And I didn't
Speaker 5: notice at the time, but it was have you guys,
Speaker 5: you guys heard that we shoot tandem episodes right like
Speaker 5: an s few, So when you're kind of running behind
Speaker 5: on schedule, you'll shoot two episodes at the same time.
Speaker 5: They'll hire a whole second crew and then like you'll
Speaker 5: get That's why you'll see some episodes where like Marishka
Speaker 5: was in one and some of the guest stars and
Speaker 5: then like Chris is in that and you don't really
Speaker 5: see except them like one scene anything or.
Speaker 6: You know, like Kelly get I should be over he
Speaker 6: or something like that.
Speaker 5: It's because they're shooting two episodes at the same time,
Speaker 5: and so the reason why Chris and Marishka were barely
Speaker 5: in Ridicule is because they were in a tandem, so
Speaker 5: they were on another set and so it was mostly
Speaker 5: like Stephanie Marsh and me on that set. Yeah wow,
Speaker 5: which is why they're barely in that one. But I
Speaker 5: didn't know at the time. I'm like, wait, they're the
Speaker 5: stars of the show. I'm like, I haven't even seen them.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 2: Well, also, you probably didn't know that you'd be taken
Speaker 2: over for Stephanie March.
Speaker 5: No, never in my wildest names. And what I always
Speaker 5: think is funny is that people think, like.
Speaker 7: Did anyone notice that Diane was a rabbis And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 7: every care Kelly Gintish was in episodes before Iced Tea
Speaker 7: was like, that's how they would find people, Like yeah,
Speaker 7: pay like the people.
Speaker 3: Will write us so many shocked. I just saw Scanavino
Speaker 3: as a as a as a drug addict or something,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, that's they find them somehow.
Speaker 6: Right, That's how they do it. That's how they do it.
Speaker 6: So it's wild. So everyone's like, oh, that here they did,
Speaker 6: did you know? And I'm like, you know, they did
Speaker 6: that with everyone. It wasn't just me, they did that
Speaker 6: with everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm trying to make this game happen.
Speaker 3: We'll see if it happens. I'm stealing it from Watch
Speaker 3: What Happens Live.
Speaker 2: But uh I will Yes, but you actually watched the
Speaker 2: Sandra Bernhardt episode she was on a few weeks ago,
Speaker 2: because so I guess you know, they're doing audience questions
Speaker 2: and someone asks, like, how was it with Morgan Fairchild
Speaker 2: being on Rosanne and first Lesbian Kids? She goes, Honestly,
Speaker 2: I was awful to her on set. We were all awful.
Speaker 2: None of us respected her. We were terrible to her.
Speaker 2: And I apologize. She was ahead of her time, she
Speaker 2: was incredit and like does kind of a two minute apology,
Speaker 2: wow for being rude on set like thirty years ago
Speaker 2: for her, Like yeah, like Morgan responded and everything, and
Speaker 2: she's like, yeah, they were mean to me.
Speaker 5: They're horrible, horrible, They're horrible, but like good for I mean,
Speaker 5: like good for both of them.
Speaker 1: Do you do you remember anybody ever have being mistreated
Speaker 1: on the set of SVEW. I know the answer is
Speaker 1: going to be no, because everybody always says how nice
Speaker 1: the set is, but I'm just oh wondering if the
Speaker 1: Morgan fair Child ties back yard. Yes, because everybody we
Speaker 1: talked to is like, what a fun set, so amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe somebody was a jerk, and.
Speaker 5: Well, I have to be honest, Okay, every actor will
Speaker 5: tell you that because they want to work again, like
Speaker 5: for real, like that.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter how awful it is, It.
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter how mean. It doesn't nobody cares, Like nobody
Speaker 5: says anything. It's just kind of like this unspoken rule
Speaker 5: that nobody says anything negative. And uh yeah, no, there's
Speaker 5: always there's always something interesting on every set.
Speaker 6: So it's not specific to SBU, but it's wild.
Speaker 5: Like on shows that you've been on for a long time,
Speaker 5: you'll be on other shows someone will come up to
Speaker 5: me and be like, oh my gosh, that was the
Speaker 5: worst experience of my life.
Speaker 6: X and Y and Z. They were awful. They made
Speaker 6: me cries in.
Speaker 5: The bathroom or oh my god, they I'll just so
Speaker 5: I had I can't believe I'm telling you guys this,
Speaker 5: But who cares cause everyone like it's funny. I've actually
Speaker 5: never said anything negative about anyone because to me, it's
Speaker 5: like those were my college years.
Speaker 6: It's my fun.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, my family, like I loved everyone,
Speaker 5: and and people always pretend like there's some kind of
Speaker 5: beef and there's no beef. But I definitely had a
Speaker 5: full bar in my dressing room and I don't drink.
Speaker 5: It was for I would have them put guest stars
Speaker 5: in the room next to me so if I could
Speaker 5: hear them crying, I'd go over and say it's okay. Man,
Speaker 5: and I had come on over house have a drink,
Speaker 5: and I would give a speech. I had the same
Speaker 5: speech for everybody, and I meant it. I'm like, you
Speaker 5: know what, I'm like, I love my job and I
Speaker 5: get paid no matter what we do, one take or
Speaker 5: two hundred takes.
Speaker 6: I'm okay with it. I'm getting paid. I'm here. I
Speaker 6: love it.
Speaker 5: You want to run lines off camera, you don't know
Speaker 5: what you're doing. You're freaked out. I'm like, it's okay,
Speaker 5: Like you can ask me anything you need me. Because
Speaker 5: a lot of time and I think I told you
Speaker 5: guys this time. It's really hard. Like if you're one
Speaker 5: of those people playing a victim on the stand, you
Speaker 5: have to go from like zero to one hundred in
Speaker 5: one second and I tried to explain to people what
Speaker 5: acting really is. You always have these moments where you're
Speaker 5: really in it, and then there are times where you realize, oh,
Speaker 5: I'm just an idiot lady on a floor, sobbing was
Speaker 5: not coming out of my nose surrounded by men in
Speaker 5: their fifties in shorts. You know, like that's really what
Speaker 5: you're doing, right, Because you get like two hundred people
Speaker 5: in the crew, it's always usually like dudes wearing cargo
Speaker 5: shorts and you're just some idiot flooring. You know, deep
Speaker 5: in this, and when you really think about what you're doing,
Speaker 5: you're like, uh, yeah, someone wants Peter Reager in an
Speaker 5: episode of SCU He's like, acting is just deciding how
Speaker 5: much of your own humiliation you want to participate in.
Speaker 6: I was like, that's really good. That's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 6: So they have to so a lot.
Speaker 5: Of times off camera I'm like, hey, if you need
Speaker 5: me to yell at you and scream at you and
Speaker 5: stay stuff like off camera like you're a terrible mother
Speaker 5: and nobody likes you, you know whatever. So most of
Speaker 5: the time off camera I am with their permission or
Speaker 5: if they've asked me, giving them the what for and
Speaker 5: then when you turn around to like my coverage, I'm like,
Speaker 5: where were you Tuesday?
Speaker 3: You know you saw out of the way.
Speaker 5: I'm just just screaming and those things that, like, you
Speaker 5: know that, I'd be like, okay, what's the thing You're
Speaker 5: most vulnerable. They're like, I'm worried about being a bad mom.
Speaker 5: I'm like, all right, you want me to give it
Speaker 5: to you, I'll give it to you. You know, you suck
Speaker 5: because you're not home with your children, you know, like
Speaker 5: whatever they needed cheers, cheers, and I was like.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm here no matter what. I love it.
Speaker 3: So we had two listeners. Actually I have it right now.
Speaker 3: They gifted me and Kara tearsticks away. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: That's awesome because we love talking to people about crying
Speaker 1: and stuff because like some people have told us that,
Speaker 1: like Marishka has pulled them aside and been like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get there. You got to cry on this next
Speaker 1: take and I know you can do it, and this
Speaker 1: and that and like and it's it. We always ask
Speaker 1: people like, how did you get from like you said,
Speaker 1: zero to sixty, like, so from you know to bawl
Speaker 1: and crying, like, especially with all these people standing around
Speaker 1: you waiting for it right like like tapping their watches
Speaker 1: and then right now for action.
Speaker 5: You know, it's just loud and noisy, and people are
Speaker 5: farting and moving around and eating donuts and it's like
Speaker 5: it's mayhem and then all of a sudden go you know.
Speaker 5: So it's yeah, it's a it's a tough thing for
Speaker 5: people to play, but I loved it. But yeah, no
Speaker 5: it and especially with the subject matter, I always felt
Speaker 5: bad for like the kids. I'm like, especially the ones
Speaker 5: on the stand, little kids, and I'm like, uh, do
Speaker 5: you know what we're talking about?
Speaker 6: Do you have a therapist? Are you okay?
Speaker 3: Yeah? No.
Speaker 1: Tomorrow was just telling us about We talked to her
Speaker 1: about the specific episode where a kid was supposed to
Speaker 1: be like dead under a sheet in the morgue and
Speaker 1: like she saw him shaking. She saw him shaking under
Speaker 1: the sheet and when she pulled it back, he was
Speaker 1: crying and she was like, can somebody get his mom?
Speaker 1: Like buddy, you know, like it is like it sounds
Speaker 1: like really kind of like even though you could be explained,
Speaker 1: it's fake and this and that it's like you hear
Speaker 1: adults screaming at each other in this one, you know.
Speaker 6: And then there's a thing that happens all the time.
Speaker 5: I know this sounds really stupid, but even happened on
Speaker 5: like ncis a lot of times we just forget that
Speaker 5: someone was playing a body and you like break for
Speaker 5: lunch and they're just like laying you know, with like
Speaker 5: a pair of panties double stick tape to their ankle
Speaker 5: at Central Park and like everyone's gone, sorry, oh my god,
Speaker 5: totally unintentionally, just everyone just kind of wanders off like
Speaker 5: guice lunch, go break, Yeah, and they're like, hello.
Speaker 2: Hello, wait, let's do this game that I'm I'm trying
Speaker 2: to make happen. We'll see if it ever happens. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna like give little categories and then you choose
Speaker 2: between Dan Florax, hold On, Marishka, Christopher Maloney, Beady Wong.
Speaker 6: By the way, has Beatie been on?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Okay, good Johnny, Yeah okay.
Speaker 1: And we just talked to Danny Pino recently, Kay, oh wait,
Speaker 1: why is it? Or bells er lunch basically, or I
Speaker 1: see any of like the regulars that you work, got
Speaker 1: to like any of the regulars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Floric Tony, I wrote Novak l O L. March Yeah,
Speaker 2: Hargeay Maloney Wong. Well, you sort of vote for yourself
Speaker 2: if you think you're the person.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Who is the best gift giver?
Speaker 6: Oh wow? Ice? Definitely Ice and Coco.
Speaker 5: For my thirtieth birthday, I kid you not, this was
Speaker 5: one of the greatest things in the world, because you know,
Speaker 5: Ice was so these giant diamond studs in his ear
Speaker 5: and I was always like, what cop can afford those?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: But whatever, like those are amazing, And so he asked
Speaker 5: me one day, He's like, did anyone ever buy you diamonds?
Speaker 5: And I was like no, and he's like, what about
Speaker 5: your engagement right, I'm like, oh, that was a gift
Speaker 5: from my grandmother to my husband. And so for my
Speaker 5: thirtieth birthday, he and Coco got me diamond studs.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Yeah wow.
Speaker 5: And then and then I wrote him a really heartfelt
Speaker 5: thank you note and he thought it was a love letter.
Speaker 6: I'm like, you don't get thank you notes that much
Speaker 6: to you. It's just a thank you know.
Speaker 1: He's like, Diane, we're just calling you're beautiful, but it
Speaker 1: could never be anything like no, no, no, no, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: most likely to be late, who was always running late.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, see busy lady, Kara, do you want to
Speaker 1: do the next one? Okay, okay, this one's tough because
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a lot of competition in this field. Funniest,
Speaker 1: oh man, oh you're at Belser, but you got Ice,
Speaker 1: you got Florac is funny at Maloney So oh man,
Speaker 1: that is so hard because Ice has that weird, like
Speaker 1: subtle humor.
Speaker 6: And he would just say stuff he didn't know was funny.
Speaker 5: I think I told you last time when when I
Speaker 5: was trying to decide whether to get an account not
Speaker 5: and he said, yeah, just be the only one that's
Speaker 5: your own checks yea, and that at the very end
Speaker 5: you tell people have three hours of advice. He was
Speaker 5: like that way when they kidnap you, they can't kill you,
Speaker 5: and like he meant it, and I was just like, sorry, well.
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna say. Maybe not funniest. Who
Speaker 1: made you snort the most? Who has made you do
Speaker 1: your little snorts?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 5: So like Chris would do all this stuff for me
Speaker 5: from like Harold and Kumar, you know, he'd be like, Randy,
Speaker 5: what did the devil?
Speaker 6: What Crystal Math? Everywhere.
Speaker 5: You know, like Chris would always make me laugh and
Speaker 5: do funny things, and even to this day, I think
Speaker 5: I told you anytime he's with the wet, hot American
Speaker 5: summer people, like, yeah, he tends me pictures of like
Speaker 5: yeah him with like Paul Rudd and mixed vegetables. So
Speaker 5: like he was hilarious in the way that I think
Speaker 5: is funny. D Florek was like dirty funny, like in
Speaker 5: that you know what I mean, like hilariously dirty funny.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: But then Bells ares like classically stand up funny, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, it's a tough fun It's a tough fun.
Speaker 5: I think Chris would make me snort the most, for sure,
Speaker 5: because it was always unexpected to because he's like he
Speaker 5: has such intensity, and then you know, on a time
Speaker 5: he'd switch and.
Speaker 3: Be like he.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, okay, one good one best drunk oh floor
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, oh so funny, a tough, full sober guy
Speaker 1: as a character. But then after but then in real life, oh.
Speaker 5: Yes, definitely some cast party hilarious stories. But there there
Speaker 5: there have been more than one time. So when I
Speaker 5: finally started, because after a couple of years, you want
Speaker 5: to drive yourself, right, because in New York, you get
Speaker 5: driven to set, and so Ice and I would be
Speaker 5: the only people that would drive yourself.
Speaker 6: So but I s would be driving like his Bentley
Speaker 6: or his Rolls Royce.
Speaker 5: And I bought myself like a fully we got paid different,
Speaker 5: like a fully loaded Jetta, like a brand So and
Speaker 5: then you know, to be respectful, you always check with
Speaker 5: the teamsters first, because you don't want to do something
Speaker 5: that will make a teamster lose their job.
Speaker 6: Right in New York. Oh, so I'd still get driven
Speaker 6: on the location, which was great.
Speaker 5: But going to going to Set, I would drive my
Speaker 5: Jetta and and then I would always you know, I
Speaker 5: didn't drink, so I'd always be the desidated driver for
Speaker 5: like everybody all the time. And there were times that,
Speaker 5: you know, I'd be in the car driving from a
Speaker 5: cast party and I'm like is that is that Dan?
Speaker 5: And he'd be like, give me a ride home? Like
Speaker 5: I left downtown, he was like Upper east Side. He'd
Speaker 5: just jump in the back of the car and be like, hey,
Speaker 5: can we have some burgers?
Speaker 6: I'm like what?
Speaker 5: And I'm like, are you getting a paper back there?
Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm not your amazing drunk. My favorite drunk. Absolutely,
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I love yeah.
Speaker 6: So good and like obviously you know, only at like parties.
Speaker 6: It wasn't like he was an alcoholic.
Speaker 3: Sure he wasn't like like in the middle of.
Speaker 6: A site, it's not a problem drinker.
Speaker 5: But yeah, some of those parties, like the amount of
Speaker 5: times I'm like, are you gonna puke back there?
Speaker 6: I'm like, I just got a detailed We.
Speaker 1: Tried to ask Tomara about the Christmas parties and we
Speaker 1: she said that they were fun, but we didn't really
Speaker 1: get much else out of her.
Speaker 3: Any other juice on the Christmas parties.
Speaker 5: Were always they were they were messy, and then I
Speaker 5: always made sure like whatever whatever party.
Speaker 6: So there were times it.
Speaker 5: Happened a lot that people would be like, oh, production
Speaker 5: doesn't have enough money for a party this year, right,
Speaker 5: So I'd be like, whatever, I'll pay for the party, Like, well,
Speaker 5: like we'll have fun. And I always knew it was
Speaker 5: a good time, so if people went to the emergency room,
Speaker 5: so like like Marishka's bridal shower that I threw. First
Speaker 5: of all, it was the most amount of money I'd
Speaker 5: spend on anything in my life. Like I was like,
Speaker 5: I don't have twenty five when except my house, Like
Speaker 5: I didn't even know it was, but I think three
Speaker 5: people went to the emergency room.
Speaker 6: Like it was a good party, you.
Speaker 5: Know, like no cameras, that's her bridle shower, you know,
Speaker 5: this was her bridal shower. Yeah, Like so I read
Speaker 5: it out a little restaurant. It got real messy. It
Speaker 5: was all the girls from like the crew, and we
Speaker 5: just got things happened and then things like other ones
Speaker 5: if people got pregnant. I'm like, that was a good party.
Speaker 5: And that happened a couple of times. So there are
Speaker 5: a couple of people who are still married and at
Speaker 5: some of the parties hooked up for the first time.
Speaker 5: And then since I would I would drive to work. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I remember once it was hilarious. I'm not going to
Speaker 5: say who, but it may have been someone for the
Speaker 5: makeup department it was and someone that I think is
Speaker 5: still a producer, and they hooked up at one of
Speaker 5: the parties for the cast and crew that I threw
Speaker 5: and I saw them in the car in front of
Speaker 5: me and I was like, ah, at a stop, I'm like,
Speaker 5: I can't believe these two are they how do they
Speaker 5: know each other. They live near each other, and then
Speaker 5: I saw them at the stop like lean over and
Speaker 5: make out. I was like, no, oh my god, that's
Speaker 5: the best gossip.
Speaker 1: Like I worked on a set once where like I
Speaker 1: was an assistant, I was hooking up with another assistant,
Speaker 1: but then one of the directors was hooking up with
Speaker 1: the head costumer. They are currently married, half kids together. Oh,
Speaker 1: Like it was always the best gossip. You're like, you two, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I love set gossip like that.
Speaker 5: One of them, I think he's still were the producers
Speaker 5: and and they're married with two kids.
Speaker 6: But like, yeah, that kind of thing would happen all
Speaker 6: the time.
Speaker 3: But so love because you've.
Speaker 1: Got to be professional during the day, and those parties
Speaker 1: are kind of the only opportunities.
Speaker 3: To be Like how do you feed?
Speaker 5: Yeah, everyone gets real messy.
Speaker 6: Yeah it was like super messy. But to me, that's
Speaker 6: it's more fun.
Speaker 3: That's what the holidays are about.
Speaker 6: Exactly.
Speaker 3: Who would you like to go on vacation with the.
Speaker 6: Most bead.
Speaker 5: Oh good one didn't even hesitate. Didn't even hesitate, no,
Speaker 5: because he's I mean he's hilarious too. I mean that's
Speaker 5: the problem. He's hilarious, and you know we yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: bead absolutely, And I bet he likes to go to
Speaker 5: like classy places and he does and exotic places and
Speaker 5: you know he knows everything and like fine dining and
Speaker 5: you wouldn't have to you wouldn't have to lift a finger.
Speaker 5: He'd be like, I made reservations here, I did this,
Speaker 5: this is amazing, this is where we're going.
Speaker 6: I've friended a yacht, you know, like okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, who do you think?
Speaker 3: I mean, this one.
Speaker 1: Feels pretty like there's an obvious maybe, but maybe it's
Speaker 1: not who's most likely to work out before getting to set?
Speaker 6: Oh, it's like one hundred percent mollow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, didn't come out of nowhere set.
Speaker 5: So like on NC, I asked Michael Wetherley and I
Speaker 5: plays to know though, Like we would half the time,
Speaker 5: like like my favorite person to work with on Earth
Speaker 5: is Michael, I mean insane, laughing, ruining every scene, pissing
Speaker 5: everybody off, and we.
Speaker 6: Would just we would do we could.
Speaker 5: We would spend half of our time doing impressions of
Speaker 5: Chris working out or stretching, like that was our favorite thing,
Speaker 5: and like we would tape it and like send it
Speaker 5: to him or like my favorite way that Chris would
Speaker 5: take down a purp because he always did it with
Speaker 5: these like weird straight hands. You know, he's like between
Speaker 5: the arms and like it's just like when you watch it,
Speaker 5: it's just like it's so good, like.
Speaker 1: You know, just butt high end. Well it's so funny
Speaker 1: because the show's been on forever. But like then the
Speaker 1: internet is like a little bit later, you know, so
Speaker 1: like the memes that come around now, like the one
Speaker 1: where there's one where I think it's from Serendipity actually
Speaker 1: where he's got the purp and he's like got those
Speaker 1: two butt like his butt cheeks or just like everybody
Speaker 1: suddenly was like, wow, who knew Stabler had these cakes
Speaker 1: or whatever? And then people post photos now of him
Speaker 1: just lunging on set like all the time, because now
Speaker 1: his butt has become its own character on the internet.
Speaker 5: Right, And he had like those muscle rollers, like he
Speaker 5: was always like just rubbing his muscles like dying.
Speaker 6: I mean it was constant. So yeah, you were right
Speaker 6: about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that one, I figure is like a pretty a
Speaker 1: pretty easy one.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: Next one is who do you who do you think
Speaker 1: stole the most from set? This isn't like in an
Speaker 1: illegal like way, but.
Speaker 5: Like pegs saying around, yeah, grab grab a like maybe
Speaker 5: a shirt they wore in a scene, or like a
Speaker 5: couple of snacks from craft Services before they had out,
Speaker 5: or who knows, Oh, definitely bells here, like definitely like
Speaker 5: munchies and laziness, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 5: that he'd be like you'd see him at the craft
Speaker 5: services before going before going home, the first driver to
Speaker 5: take him home, and it just like he's like, yeah,
Speaker 5: definitely good because you know he was like on the
Speaker 5: cover of High Times how many times, like he was
Speaker 5: the original stoner trying to like legalize it. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: he would just constantly like just snacks and yeah all
Speaker 5: the time, drinks, beverages, whatever he was gonna want.
Speaker 2: But how does he memorize his lines or did he
Speaker 2: smoke weed after No?
Speaker 5: It was constant one of my favorite times. So and
Speaker 5: he would he would die laughing at this. So they
Speaker 5: put your marks down on the floor right with tape,
Speaker 5: right so you know where to stand. And every main
Speaker 5: character has like a different color. This is like on
Speaker 5: every show. So Maurscuz is pink, you know, Chris's was blue,
Speaker 5: mine was yellow, and Belzer's I think Belser's was green,
Speaker 5: and also sometimes to you do they have the big dollies,
Speaker 5: the dolly would have to move, so they'd make dolli
Speaker 5: marks for focus. And one day it was the coverage
Speaker 5: like they were trying to film Richard Belzer, but they
Speaker 5: made the dolli marks in green too, so they say
Speaker 5: action and he's just walking next to the camera, like
Speaker 5: he never gets on camera.
Speaker 6: He's just walking next to it.
Speaker 5: And they're like, Richard, those aren't your marks, that's for
Speaker 5: the dolly, like yours are over right here, and he's like,
Speaker 5: oh a little.
Speaker 6: Too much today, I mean, like constantly. But it was amazing.
Speaker 5: He just was like walking, the camera's moving, he's moving
Speaker 5: right next to it, like he never appears on camera
Speaker 5: because they use the same color. So yeah, sometimes he
Speaker 5: ever did it, but yeah, he was. He was high
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 6: It was great.
Speaker 5: But I'll tell you, should I tell you, do you
Speaker 5: have time for one really funny last story and be done?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that would be perfect, all right.
Speaker 5: So obviously I had no idea what it was like,
Speaker 5: and I didn't know what I was doing, and I
Speaker 5: didn't know where marks were because it was the first
Speaker 5: time that i'd really done anything. When I was guest
Speaker 5: starring in this episode, and so at the end of
Speaker 5: the episode, at the end your last scene that you
Speaker 5: film when you're the guest star, They're like, this is
Speaker 5: Diane Niels, this is her her last scene of the episode,
Speaker 5: and she just wrapped, and then everyone started, the entire
Speaker 5: crew and everybody starts topping. And I remember going home
Speaker 5: and telling what is now my husband. I was like,
Speaker 5: I think I did really well. Like when I was done,
Speaker 5: like everyone was applauding for me, and it felt I was,
Speaker 5: so I think I'm a really good actor just because
Speaker 5: you I didn't even know right, like I just started acting.
Speaker 6: Then when I go back and I'm.
Speaker 5: On the show as a series regular, and the first
Speaker 5: episode that I'm filming, the first guest star that raps,
Speaker 5: They're like, this is so and So's last scene. You
Speaker 5: know there you know the episode ever, and then everyone
Speaker 5: starts a plotting. I was like, ah, we do it
Speaker 5: for everyone, like I'm such a tool. Oh my god, idiot,
Speaker 5: Well I know that.
Speaker 3: The best thing.
Speaker 2: I once was on a show where there was like
Speaker 2: a little cat on the set, and so we did
Speaker 2: a series rap for the cat. The cat, well, we
Speaker 2: had to snap because we couldn't be too loud.
Speaker 6: Oh very very oh stapped for the cat. Okay, very
Speaker 6: oh my, that's hilarious. Yeah, me and the cat. The
Speaker 6: Cat's that. I get home now thinking like I did
Speaker 6: such a good dropmer.
Speaker 3: I think that's like such a sweet like.
Speaker 5: Like and it's such an easy thing to.
Speaker 3: Make to not know that they do, like you know,
Speaker 3: episode rap on so and so lately.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had no idea. It's kind of like my
Speaker 5: first birthday. All I knew about TV. I learned from
Speaker 5: like Access Hollywood. So I'm like, and I'm on NBC
Speaker 5: and we're on a really popular show, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: are we gonna get Are we all getting porsches for
Speaker 5: our birthday?
Speaker 6: Like the cast of Friends?
Speaker 5: And like three months later after my birthday, I finally
Speaker 5: got something from Talent Services and my kids, you know,
Speaker 5: I still have it.
Speaker 3: It's a key chain, just to remind me that's your place.
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's ever like a shitty guest star though,
Speaker 3: who made everybody's life a living hell and they're like,
Speaker 3: that's a series rap on rob and everyone's like.
Speaker 5: You know, like just giving shitty, like the lame clap
Speaker 5: and like under the Birth of the you.
Speaker 2: Know, but now we have questions for next time you're on,
Speaker 2: because now we're we'll ask you who are the worst
Speaker 2: guest stars you've ever So stay tuned, listeners, Come ready
Speaker 2: that come.
Speaker 1: Ready to talk some shit. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: coming back on, Diane. We've been wanting to have you
Speaker 1: back for a long time, but we.
Speaker 3: Always know that we can get you again because you're
Speaker 3: the best to talk.
Speaker 6: You can anytime.
Speaker 1: Well, always fun to talk to Diane, I mean, and
Speaker 1: when we can make Diane do a little snort, I
Speaker 1: think we're doing something right.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 2: It's really cool. It's really cool to see the start
Speaker 2: of someone's career. She obviously had something special that like
Speaker 2: they wanted to continue her as Novak and that experience.
Speaker 2: But she plays a really good, mean killer who loves
Speaker 2: to be fucking choked out really well. Yeah, but left
Speaker 2: her fingerprints on the ceiling, baby, trust and believe that Benson,
Speaker 2: and between Benson and Warner, they're going to find your
Speaker 2: prints on the ceiling. They know a lot about autoerotic asphyxiation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of you love to write us
Speaker 1: and say, oh my god, did you know Novak was
Speaker 1: in an episode before. Did you know that Robins was
Speaker 1: in an episode before? So we love to investigate these
Speaker 1: episodes where we see we meet our we meet our
Speaker 1: friends before we've met them, you know. And one day
Speaker 1: we'll talk to Peter Scanavino about his turn as a
Speaker 1: unhoused gentleman or what is he?
Speaker 3: Is he a drug addict? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Something's going on with him where he's not careesy. But
Speaker 1: a wild episode, a wild crime.
Speaker 3: I don't know. What have we learned?
Speaker 1: Guys, don't go to jail for a man, don't cross
Speaker 1: over the Atlantic to kidnap a man.
Speaker 3: Not worth it? I don't.
Speaker 1: I just don't think any any man who's on a
Speaker 1: Mormon mission is worth that kind of attention and incarceration.
Speaker 3: No, it's really it's really wild. Oh my god. I
Speaker 3: also liked when Tomorrow Toney was like acting out the
Speaker 3: ropes on Stabler. Oh yeah, little given him a little
Speaker 3: bit out of a show. I don't know.
Speaker 2: It was a great episode. We're lucky to water again.
Speaker 2: And so now we have two repeak ASTs. We have
Speaker 2: a Neil Bear and a Diane Neil, both Neil's and
Speaker 2: the same.
Speaker 3: You know, Yes, Neil, Neil baby, Neil and Neil. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I always love.
Speaker 2: When I get to bring up Neil bear in normal conversation.
Speaker 2: I feel like so much smarter than people. I go, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the showrunner from seasons two to twelve was
Speaker 2: actually a medical you know, I get rially.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it might be time for us to
Speaker 1: get Neil back on. To be honest, we can have another.
Speaker 2: But it also is time for s for you to
Speaker 2: give us the attention that we Craven deserve.
Speaker 3: I mean, we haven't.
Speaker 2: Gotten a press box in a while, we haven't gotten nothing.
Speaker 2: It's just like we're here, We're we're we're giving this,
Speaker 2: We're giving so much.
Speaker 3: We're having the time of our lives. Give it. Like
Speaker 3: let us, We're sending views to Hulu. Come on, we are.
Speaker 2: It's just when they don't need a like because a
Speaker 2: part of me is like, come on, don't you want
Speaker 2: us to visit the set and make a video, And
Speaker 2: they're like, absolutely not. We don't need you here at all.
Speaker 2: We are one of the top advertisers in history.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 2: People are watching, babe, people are watching like yea even
Speaker 2: but they do press sometimes.
Speaker 3: I just we'll have our moment in the sun.
Speaker 1: One day, well we will one day, everybody will it
Speaker 1: into existence. But we can move on to what are
Speaker 1: What would Sister Peg Do? Our weekly segment where we
Speaker 1: direct you towards an article, an organization, uh, a documentary,
Speaker 1: something to give you more info about what we talked
Speaker 1: about today. And for this week's What would Sister Peg Do,
Speaker 1: we'd like to point you to the documentary Tabloid. If
Speaker 1: you want to get an in depth look at Joyce
Speaker 1: McKinney and the Manicled Mormon Case. You can watch this
Speaker 1: fascinating documentary by Academy Award winning filmmaker Errol Morris, and
Speaker 1: you can check out a link to that in our story.
Speaker 1: It'll be on our Instagram the day this episode comes out.
Speaker 1: Plus it'll always be in the show notes. But I
Speaker 1: think you can also just search Tabloid wherever you stream
Speaker 1: or download stuff and see where it's. You know, they're
Speaker 1: always changing the streaming. A shout out for an app
Speaker 1: I like to use called just Watch that shows you
Speaker 1: where things are streaming right now, where things are streaming
Speaker 1: for free, where things are for purchase, And I like that.
Speaker 1: It's a great app. It's free. I'm obsessed and that's that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: And next week we'll be doing Dearly Beloved from season twenty,
Speaker 2: episode nineteen. We're really jumping around season three, really are right?
Speaker 2: Three to twenty. Yeah, we're gonna get whiplash, baby.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We do it different over here, not like the
Speaker 3: other girls. We're different. We're not like a regular rewatch podcast.
Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for listening.
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