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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Robert Evans here and I wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know this is a compilation episode. So every episode

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Speaker 1: of the week that just happened is here in one

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Speaker 1: convenient and with somewhat less ads package for you to

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Speaker 1: listen to in a long stretch if you want. If

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the episodes every day this week,

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Speaker 1: there's going to be nothing new here for you, But

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Speaker 1: you can make your own decisions.

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Speaker 2: You probably don't remember the passage of Title forty two,

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Speaker 2: let alone that of Title forty two, Chapter six A

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Speaker 2: sub chapter two, Part G Section two sixty four, but

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Speaker 2: it's a part of US federal law that gives the

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Speaker 2: government of the authority to take emergency action to keep

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Speaker 2: communical diseases out of the country. The portion, which allows

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Speaker 2: a sweeping disregard for asylum law passed in nineteen forty four,

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Speaker 2: reads in one giant run on paragraph sentence.

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Speaker 3: As follows, Whenever the Surgeon General determines that, by reason

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Speaker 3: of the existence of any communicable disease in a foreign country,

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Speaker 3: there is serious danger of the introduction of such disease

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Speaker 3: into the United States, and that this danger is so

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Speaker 3: increased by the introduction of persons or property from such

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Speaker 3: country that a suspension of the right to introduce such

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Speaker 3: persons and property is required in the interest of the

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Speaker 3: public health. The Surgeon General, in accordance with regulations approved

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Speaker 3: by the President, shall have the power to prohibit and

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Speaker 3: whole or in part, the introduction of persons and property

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Speaker 3: from such countries or places as he shall designate, in

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Speaker 3: order to avert such danger, and for such period of

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Speaker 2: Before President Donald Trump's administration used it on March twentieth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, it had been used only in nineteen twenty

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Speaker 2: entering US ports due to meningitis outbreak. But in March

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, when you probably weren't paying much attention

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Speaker 2: because the world was falling apart, when I just returned

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Speaker 2: from a work trip to Rwanda, where I was months

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Speaker 2: before any precautions appeared in the screened for a novel coronavirus.

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Speaker 2: The Trump administration cited this public health law in instructions

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Speaker 2: Disease Control Director Robert R. Redfield relied on this regulation

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Speaker 2: to issue an order suspending the introduction into the United

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Speaker 2: Citing the new CDC order, that same day, the Border

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Speaker 2: Title forty two, arguing that there was really no public

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Speaker 2: health rationale to support it. Ever since then, public health

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Speaker 2: experts outside the CDC have continued to agree, arguing that

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Speaker 2: while international borders largely remain open to other travelers, there

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Speaker 2: Trump is no longer president, but Title forty two has persisted.

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Speaker 2: It's actually persisted for much longer under Biden's watch two

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Speaker 2: But we'll get to that part later. First, let's look

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Speaker 2: at what this bureaucratic wrinkle does when it's applied for

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Speaker 2: three years across a land border spanning three one hundred

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Speaker 2: climate change, economic decline, and state and nonstate violence are

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Speaker 2: in the hope of a better life. We're talking about

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Speaker 2: the Title forty two this week because it ended on

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Speaker 2: Mail eleventh. In a sense, this marks an important change

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Speaker 2: but nonetheless Title forty two represented a distinct change in

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Speaker 2: how asylum works in the US, and especially when combined

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Speaker 2: under the so called Migrant Protection Protocol, which is better

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Speaker 2: known as Remain in Mexico, that was set in August

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Speaker 2: In late March of twenty twenty, the border Patrol began

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Speaker 2: But this doesn't really matter. You'll see that alone these episodes.

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Speaker 2: Immigration law on the ground and immigration law in Washington,

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Speaker 2: I've spoken to myself. People who are expelled are often

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Speaker 2: since Title forty two has been in place. I asked

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Speaker 2: when we've been for a walk along the border wall

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Speaker 5: There you'd find drivers' licenses. I believe at one point

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Speaker 5: it was for a teenager, a teenage girl. I remember

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Speaker 5: that because we got pictures of it. And then when

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Speaker 5: was obviously trash, you know, they were abandoning clothes after

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Speaker 5: documents just in piles, just piles of them. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 5: just big piles of documents that proved who you were.

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Speaker 2: The other thing we found with ladders, tons of them.

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Speaker 2: Apparently someone built a gazebo out of them. The wall

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Speaker 2: I'll let Paul describe how that's going.

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Speaker 5: It was literally like somebody went to the hardware store

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Speaker 5: But once you put that on there, you could just

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Speaker 2: Sometimes these expulsions are not as straightforward. It's a bus

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Speaker 2: to nearest port of entry. CVP has carried out what

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Speaker 2: these are people I've met. It won't have escaped the

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to matter here. Title forty two didn't stop

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Speaker 2: with less frequent border patrols. In twenty twenty, the Border

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Speaker 2: of comparison for the twenty twenty one number. After a

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Speaker 2: of Title forty two, eight hundred and fifty seven people died.

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Speaker 2: None of those people were guilty of any crime than

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Speaker 2: wanting a better life, but under Title forty two, they

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Speaker 2: One local advocate, Hamira Yusefi from a group called PANA,

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Speaker 6: When the pandemic hit, we saw that Title forty two

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Speaker 6: And what this resulted in is people taking an even

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Speaker 6: And so we have had hundreds of cases of individuals

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Speaker 2: Since Biden took office, Human Rights First says it's identified

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Speaker 2: more than thirteen thousand incidents of kidnapping, torture, rape, or

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Speaker 2: on a title forty two. That's because it's easy for

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Speaker 2: won't always see faces in my photographs at the border,

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Speaker 2: and that some of the names in this series have changed,

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Speaker 2: for that reason that not everyone at the border always

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Speaker 2: wants to talk, but we do have some interviews coming

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Speaker 2: up for you tomorrow. Here's a clip from a discussion

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Speaker 2: about this which I recorded the border last week.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to get people's faces, and that's what everybody's

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Speaker 4: doing our needs.

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Speaker 3: I can't speak to what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about other people.

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Speaker 2: You should ask. You should if you think someone's taking

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Speaker 2: a photo of you.

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Speaker 4: It's okay.

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Speaker 7: I don't have a why you know?

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Speaker 4: I wish I could. Yeah, I could tell you.

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Speaker 2: People who are subject to Title forty two expulsion are

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Speaker 3: We are appealing to President Biden. We aren't bad people.

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Speaker 2: He was also overlooking that under both international and domestic law,

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Speaker 3: Allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea,

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Speaker 2: Part of this hard line is because of a perceived

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Speaker 12: Bill Maluchin has covered the border more closely than any

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Speaker 13: Today he broke the story.

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Speaker 12: He's got remarkable video for us.

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Speaker 8: He's lab at the border.

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Speaker 13: Now, Bill, great to see you.

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Speaker 14: See, Tucker cad evening to you. You mentioned it right

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Speaker 3: This was last night in El Paso.

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Speaker 14: A massive caravan, over one thousand illegal immigrants crossing into

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Speaker 2: But it's not just folks news doing this. You'll see

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Speaker 15: Two now, on paper, the rationale is there's a pandemic

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Speaker 8: Like it.

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Speaker 15: They call it the ticketmaster of asylum, and and that's

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Speaker 2: I also spoke to Kiba, an activist who participated in

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Speaker 8: Data science bench for a living and the problem building

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Speaker 8: time believing that the whole chain of everyone that's had

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Speaker 8: to go through, from the developers on up to you know,

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Speaker 8: anyone who does it or you know has authority of

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Speaker 8: these things at CBP or Homeland Security. This is just

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Speaker 8: it's it's it's like, I don't know, it's it's, it's

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Speaker 8: it's it's hard to believe that this was an accent.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, before we get too far from discussing things that

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Speaker 2: fucking suck, here's an advertising break. You might be wondering

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Speaker 2: why Title forty two is ending now and how we

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Speaker 2: got here, given that there seems to be a consensus

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Speaker 2: in DC that the border is in crisis, and that

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Speaker 2: that crisis is not that people were leaving to die

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Speaker 2: on the streets on the other side or in the

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Speaker 2: deserts of California and Arizona, but the people were allowing

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Speaker 2: to come to the richest country that's ever existed, from

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Speaker 2: countries that we've destabilized for decades to have a chance

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Speaker 2: in a decent life. Well, the answer is complicated. Some

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Speaker 2: of it's a bit too complicated for me to really

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Speaker 2: spend the time explaining, and you don't really need to

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Speaker 2: know the ins and outs of court cases to understand that. Essentially,

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Speaker 2: the Biden administration had planned to end Title forty two

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Speaker 2: in late twenty twenty two, right after the midterms. Title

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Speaker 2: forty two actually became theoretically unenforceable in November of that

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Speaker 2: year thanks to a court ruling, but the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: in December prevented the Biden administration from ending Title forty two.

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Speaker 2: While the Justice is considered a request by a group

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Speaker 2: of Republican led states that want to continue knew the expulsions,

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Speaker 2: which had previously been declared unlawful by lower court. Biden's

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Speaker 2: Department of Justice had previously defended Title forty two as

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Speaker 2: necessary to public health, but by the end of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two, they were ready to end enforcement a Title

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Speaker 2: forty two politically, even if they were nowhere near prepared

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Speaker 2: on the ground. A coalition of Republican led States, however,

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Speaker 2: managed to get a federal judge in Louisiana to prevent

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Speaker 2: officials fromending Title forty two, saying the Biden administration had

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Speaker 2: not taken adequate steps required to terminate the policy. Then,

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Speaker 2: on November fifteenth, another federal judge declared Title forty two

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Speaker 2: un lawful, saying the CDC had not properly explained the

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Speaker 2: policy's public health rational or considered its impact on asylum seekers.

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Speaker 2: At the request of the Biden administration, The judge gave

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Speaker 2: border officials five weeks until December the twenty first to

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Speaker 2: end Title forty two. Nineteen Republican led States asked several

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Speaker 2: courts to delay Title forty two's resision indefinitely, warning that

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Speaker 2: chaos would otherwise ensue. After their request was denied by

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Speaker 2: lower courts, the States asked to super Spreme Court to intervene.

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Speaker 2: On December twenty seventh, the Supreme Court said it would

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Speaker 2: suspend the lower court order that found Title forty two

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Speaker 2: to be illegal until it decided whether the Republican Led

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Speaker 2: States should be allowed to intervene in the case. That's

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Speaker 2: some Christmas spirit for you. Eventually, with the end of

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Speaker 2: the federal emergency over COVID nineteen. Title forty two just

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Speaker 2: kind of went away. Customs and Border Protection, the federal

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Speaker 2: agency which put up the most staunch resistance to vaccine mandates,

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Speaker 2: would begin processing migrants under Title eight of US immigration

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Speaker 2: law on the eleventh of May twenty twenty three. I'll

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Speaker 2: let them summarize what they see this to mean. According

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Speaker 2: to the USCIS website, individuals who unlawfully cross the Southwest

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Speaker 2: border will generally be processed under Title eight expedited Removal

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Speaker 2: authorities in a matter of days. They will be barred

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Speaker 2: from re entry to the United States for at least

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Speaker 2: five years if ordered removed, and they will be presumed

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Speaker 2: ineligible for asylum under the proposed Circumvention of Lawful Pathways

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Speaker 2: regulation an absent and applicable exception what this means and

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Speaker 2: if you cross into the United States not at the

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Speaker 2: port of entry, you will be assumed ineligible for asylum

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Speaker 2: and the process to remove you from the United States

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Speaker 2: will begin immediately. You have a chance to file a

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Speaker 2: defensive asylum claim against that, but the process can be

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Speaker 2: rushed and more difficult. Despite this, and having almost three

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Speaker 2: years to repair, they were by no means ready, let's

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Speaker 2: hear from Gustavo again. Gustavo, can you explain to us

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Speaker 2: a little bit about what you found that by the

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Speaker 2: administration has been planning for the end of Title forty two.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, what I found is they haven't really been doing

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Speaker 15: much planning, right. I mean they talk about I think

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Speaker 15: with Title forty two, it's a clear example of immigration

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Speaker 15: policy being decided in Washington and no one really from

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Speaker 15: the border being involved or told what's going on. So, like,

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Speaker 15: I think it was the last week DHS Secretary Majorca

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Speaker 15: did this press release about what they're doing in terms

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Speaker 15: of processing centers in Guatemala and Columbia so people can

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Speaker 15: just go there instead of coming all the way to

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Speaker 15: the border, which actually there have been timelines of when

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Speaker 15: those will open. But they had asked all these things

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Speaker 15: for like big picture things, right, to stop people from

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Speaker 15: coming in the first place, expanding some legal pathways, like

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Speaker 15: making it easier for people with families already here to

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Speaker 15: get sponsors, fixing some of the little things with CVP one,

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Speaker 15: But they don't talk about like on the ground logistics, right.

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Speaker 15: So for example, I went to Tijuana to talk to

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Speaker 15: the head of the Department of migrant affairs there who

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Speaker 15: told me this and I checked with him yesterday morning,

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Speaker 15: who said, still to this day, less than forty eight

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Speaker 15: hours before Title forty two ends, he doesn't know how

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Speaker 15: many migrants CBP will allow to cross through the ports

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Speaker 15: of entry in Sandy Seero. His guess is that maybe

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Speaker 15: two hundred, because that's kind of the number that they

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Speaker 15: floated around in December when they originally wanted to get

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Speaker 15: rid of Title forty two before their lawsuit. And if

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Speaker 15: it's two hundred, he basically said, Tijuana's going to be

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Speaker 15: screwed because two hundred doesn't even cover the number of

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Speaker 15: new migrants coming in and deporties being sent to Tijuana.

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Speaker 15: So it's gonna like we have this bottleneck of migration

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Speaker 15: in Tijuana and all over the border because of Title

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Speaker 15: forty two. For the last three years, no one's been

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Speaker 15: able to move. And if they just open it up

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Speaker 15: to two hundred people, that's not really going to address

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Speaker 15: any of the bottleneck.

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Speaker 2: Right There's like, I think, is it sixteen thousand people

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Speaker 2: are waiting like an asylum application right now?

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Speaker 15: Yeah? Yeah, I hear different numbers throwing around, like teny, fifteen, sixteen,

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Speaker 15: and nobody really knows, because there's like a network of

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Speaker 15: official shelters, and there's a bunch of unofficial shelters, and

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Speaker 15: there's a bunch of Russian dudes staying in hotels in airbnbs.

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Speaker 15: But I think, yeah, tens of thousands. I think sixteen

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Speaker 15: is an accurate number.

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Speaker 2: I think it's introdructive here to listen to the Fox

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Speaker 2: News coverage of this and how much Secretary of Majorcas

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Speaker 2: tries to panda to them.

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Speaker 8: I want to be very clear, our borders are not open.

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Speaker 16: Homeand Security Secretary Alejandro Majorcis says when Title forty two

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Speaker 16: expires at midnight tonight, anyone who arrives at the southern

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Speaker 16: border will be presumed ineligible for asylum and face consequences.

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Speaker 16: But withholding facilities already overwhelmed, the administration is ratcheting up

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Speaker 16: tough rhetoric while also clearing the way for mass releases

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Speaker 16: into US communities with no way for authorities to track people.

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Speaker 16: You said at the beginning that you've prepared for this

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Speaker 16: moment for almost two years. So why is part of

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Speaker 16: that plan and honor system?

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Speaker 8: Oh, it is not an honor system.

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Speaker 17: They are a subject of our apprehension.

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Speaker 16: Efforts, but under parole release authorized by the US Border

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Speaker 16: Patrol Chief last night, migrants do not receive an alien

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Speaker 16: registration number for authorities to track them. They don't even

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Speaker 16: get a court date. Instead, migrants are asked to turn

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Speaker 16: themselves into ice within sixty days to start immigration proceedings

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Speaker 16: on themselves.

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Speaker 1: The American people are watching this.

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Speaker 4: They know what they see.

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Speaker 18: They see a wide open border.

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Speaker 16: Florida's Attorney General is suing the administration, arguing the parole

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Speaker 16: plan is identical to a policy a federal judge struck

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Speaker 16: down earlier this year.

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Speaker 8: You have confidence in the lawfulness of our actions.

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Speaker 16: Plans to release migrants at bus stops, gas stations, and

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Speaker 16: supermarkets was first detailed last year, according to a memo

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Speaker 16: uncovered by the Florida Legal Proceedings. Today, Texas Governor Greg

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Speaker 16: Abbott sent a busload of migrants to the Vice President's Residents.

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Speaker 2: Greg Abbott's disgusting antics aside. There was a real attempt

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Speaker 2: by the Biden deministration to come through a publican side

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Speaker 2: on migration that we can see clearly here. In the

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Speaker 2: hours before we expected Title forty two to die, Folks

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Speaker 2: like me who cover the border made plans. The day before,

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Speaker 2: on the tenth, MYOCAS announced the title forty two would

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Speaker 2: be enforced up until eleven fifty nine pm Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: and in San Diego, Border Patrol offices closed down the

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Speaker 2: port of entry at Sanisedra, the border town just south

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Speaker 2: of San Diego, for a training exercise in which they

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Speaker 2: lined up in front of the cars waiting to cross

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Speaker 2: the border with plexiglass shields and ryotgear. Meanwhile, in between

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Speaker 2: the two thirty foot board offenses that divide Sanisedra from Tijuana,

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Speaker 2: Border Patrol began corraling migrants. Afghans, Colombians, Vietnamese, Koreans and

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Speaker 2: Golan Sudanese, Tagiks and Congolese people all shared little more

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Speaker 2: than a few tarps and cardboard boxes for shelter as

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Speaker 2: they waited for something to happen. Despite having months to

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Speaker 2: repair and years to plan, it appears at Department of

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Speaker 2: Homeland Security totally failed to create so much as a

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Speaker 2: scrap of shade or shelter, and instead chose to house

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Speaker 2: people detain pending processing in the open air. In tomorrow's episode,

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Speaker 2: We'll Hear from some of.

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Speaker 4: Them went on Meelli and gen by Molly it's going off,

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Speaker 4: not going lengthy and elm see im for the sky

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Speaker 4: not me. I'm pre and Mama says something push free

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Speaker 4: and glo ree for them, say must smile them, No, no,

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Speaker 4: I must do and re being Gannata can I watch me?

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Speaker 4: Hey man, grateful man gradeful? I went not in on

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Speaker 4: mana smile yeah. Once there is a live God. All

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Speaker 4: want give me everything for some five Yeah, love sack

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Speaker 4: fries pick up to jommy car, I got to eat

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Speaker 4: and come back. I'm seeing yeah man, that's it one

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Speaker 4: love ba out.

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Speaker 2: On the eleventh of May this year, title forty two

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Speaker 2: finally ended. I actually began to write this episode the

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Speaker 2: day before on the tenth of May, but it was

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Speaker 2: that day the DHS announced that Title forty two would

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Speaker 2: be enforced until eight fifty nine pm Pacific or midnight Eastern.

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Speaker 2: They kept Title forty two in place for every single

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Speaker 2: minute they could, and that same day, five hundred active

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Speaker 2: duty troops arrived in El Paso and one thousand more

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Speaker 2: set off for the border towns to join the two thousand,

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Speaker 2: five hundred troops already deployed to the border. According to

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Speaker 2: oppress release from Apartment of Homeland Security.

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Speaker 3: CBP and US Immigration and Customs Enforcement are further expanding

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Speaker 3: detention capacity, ramping up removal flights, and shifting agents and

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Speaker 3: officers to high priority regions along the southwest border. This week,

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Speaker 3: CBP opened two new holding facilities, and the Department of

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Speaker 3: Health and Human Services is increasing its bed capacity to

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Speaker 3: prepare for a potential increase in unaccompanied children. DHS also

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Speaker 3: launched targeted enforcement operations and high priority regions along the border,

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Speaker 3: including El Paso, to quickly process migrants and place them

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Speaker 3: in removal proceedings. DHS last week also announced over two

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifty million dollars in additional assistance for communities

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Speaker 3: receiving migrants.

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Speaker 2: On the ground. This assistance and planning didn't exactly meet

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Speaker 2: the task at hand, albeit the specific court all out

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Speaker 2: of El Paso does suggest that they saw their task.

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Speaker 2: It's not looking bad in the right wing media hits

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Speaker 2: some audio recorded after a couple of hours walking around

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Speaker 2: talking to people at Sanisedro, where Customs and Border Protection

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Speaker 2: had detained around five hundred people in between the two

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Speaker 2: thirty foot fences that make up the border between Sansedro

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Speaker 2: and Tijuana. I'm just for people familiar with San Diego

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Speaker 2: and the Tijuana River Valley park by International Hill, where

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Speaker 2: border patrol are holding people in between the two border fences.

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Speaker 2: For those who thought we didn't have a border wall

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Speaker 2: or weren't having a border wall, we have at least two,

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Speaker 2: sometimes three, But right here we have two. People are

655
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Speaker 2: being put in between these fences by border patrols. So

656
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: I just spoke to some young Colombian women who had

657
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: crossed about fifteen miles east of here and then being

658
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: relocated here and there in between these border walls. They

659
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 2: don't have running water. What food and water they have

660
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: appear to be in surplied by bottle tears. On the

661
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,279
Speaker 2: northern side, they've just been given space blankets, but a

662
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: lot of people are literally sleeping under bin bags right now, blankets.

663
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 2: It's pretty brief. There's one portra toilet sort of thing

664
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 2: that we can see about five hundred people. So I'm

665
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 2: going to give you an idea of the conditions. Obviously

666
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: those don't live up to the detention conditions that border

667
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,919
Speaker 2: patrol are supposed to hold people under. But here we are.

668
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: I guess border patrol have just said that they're calling

669
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 2: an ambulance. There have been a number of medical emergencies

670
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: that nearly always are in these situations because you're holding people.

671
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 2: They're you know, old people, young people, sick people, and

672
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: they're in the sun all day, they're in the cold

673
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: all night. It rains, they get wet. If it's hot,

674
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: they get hot. If it's cold, they get cold. Their

675
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: little children were just asking me for a blanket a

676
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 2: minute ago, which is always a pretty bleak thing. If

677
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: you've not been here, you'd be forgiven for not knowing that.

678
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: We have a double layer of wall separating us from

679
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: our neighbors in Tijuana. Both sections are now the Trump

680
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: period design, but we're standing in a place we're not

681
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: so very long ago. Nancy Reagan stood and said she

682
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 2: hoped that there wouldn't be a fence here for very long.

683
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 2: Now there are two towering walls, and their little children

684
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 2: stuck sleeping in the dust between them or the a

685
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,520
Speaker 2: to These people had to go through the wall, too,

686
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: and that meant no hot meals. Because the gaps are

687
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 2: smaller than a plate. Someone tried to bring tents, but

688
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 2: they wouldn't fit. Everything from food to clothes to medical

689
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 2: supplies had to go through the gaps. In the War

690
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: Hamara Yusefie, a volunteer from the Partnership for the Advancement

691
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: of New Americans, described to me what she saw that night.

692
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 6: I see about five hundred beautiful, smiling faces of people

693
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 6: who are desperately trying to get to safety, and they're confused.

694
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 6: They don't know what's going on. They don't know how

695
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 6: long it will take them. You know, they many of

696
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 6: them are aware that something is happening today. Many of

697
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 6: them are asking does this mean that be turned back?

698
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 6: What is going on? I see, you know, people who

699
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 6: don't even have many kids, don't have shoes, they don't

700
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 6: have I talked to individuals who lost everything on them.

701
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 6: They don't have jackets. They're trying to cover themselves with

702
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 6: any kind of covering that they have. Some of them

703
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 6: using trash bags, others using scarves and other types of

704
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 6: things to cover themselves from the sun. We are in

705
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 6: San Diego, so it's quite sunny here.

706
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 2: The first thing I noticed on arrival was dozens of

707
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 2: hands sticking through the wall holding phones and charges. That's

708
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 2: because people need to use the CBP one app to

709
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: interact with border enforcement, but they've been detained by the

710
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: same border enforcement in between two walls in an open

711
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: field where there obviously isn't any electricity. They also need

712
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: their phones to stay in touch with their families to

713
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: let them know they survived a difficult and dangerous journey

714
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 2: and that they're now technically inside the USA. Here's the

715
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: advet a CBP broadcast in Spanish to encourage asylum seekers

716
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: to download the app before they put them in a

717
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: place they couldn't charge their phones.

718
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 19: Attencion migrante.

719
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: Attention migrants in Mexico City or further north in the country.

720
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 3: Why do you need to download CBP one. It's a

721
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: free and legal way to get an appointment guaranteed at

722
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 3: a port of entry. It's a clear way to solicit asylum,

723
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 3: and you have the possibility to work while your case

724
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 3: is being processed. If you present without an appointment, you

725
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: can be prohibited from entering the US for five years.

726
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 3: You will be subject to expedite a deportation unless you

727
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:40,319
Speaker 3: comply with the strict requirements of the asylum process. In

728
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 3: the majority of cases, it is assumed that migrants do

729
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 3: not comply with the requirements for asylum, and you won't

730
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 3: have the right to work unless you comply with the

731
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 3: strict requirements. Again, if you are now in Mexico City

732
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 3: or further north, download CBP one.

733
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: As we heard yesterday, CBP one has been an a

734
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: mitigated design and has shown a very clear bias towards

735
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 2: certain types of wealthy and white asylum seekers, despite that

736
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: it seemed to have been the only plan in place

737
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: the end of Title forty two. The hundreds of people

738
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 2: detained in between defenses whomably didn't have appointments and with

739
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 2: no way to charge their phones, they couldn't make them.

740
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: It's not clear of making them would have helped, as

741
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: it seems that they were already being detained and thus

742
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 2: they would have to file defensive asylum claims, effectively stopping

743
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 2: the repatriation process by claiming that they couldn't safely be

744
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: sent back to their country of origin. This is opposed

745
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: to making an affirmative asylum claim that people should have

746
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 2: been able to make at the border. With a CBP

747
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: one appointment, these would not have to be argued with

748
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 2: the threat of repatriation hanging over the person making the claim. Volunteers,

749
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: local people, a mosque group, and a church group all

750
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 2: showed up soon after CBP began dumping more people in

751
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 2: between the fences. An hour after my own arrival, I'd

752
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: given away all the charge cables that I had in

753
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: my truck, which is a lot more charge cables than

754
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 2: I thought I had in my truck, and all my

755
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 2: charge bricks accrued over six years of getting free shared

756
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: at the consumer electronics show in Las Vegas. Later, I

757
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: came back with a massive solar generator that I'd like

758
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 2: to use when I'm living off grid. But I still

759
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: need to write stuff. Even all my home electronics ephemera

760
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: and the combined efforts of nonprofits, religious and mutual aid

761
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 2: groups couldn't really make much difference to the five hundred

762
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 2: people from around the world, mostly families with children being

763
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: held between the two fences. When it got hot, they

764
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 2: got hot. When it got cold, they got cold. When

765
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: the wind blew, they got dust in their eyes, and

766
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: everything was constantly dirty. The only hot food volunteers could

767
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: get to them was pizza. Some of the detained people

768
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: had cash and they were able to order door dash

769
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: on the Tijuana side, but again the meals had to

770
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 2: fit through a hole barely wider than my arm. The

771
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 2: only way to get clean was with wet wipes and

772
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: there was only one bathroom, There was no shade or

773
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: shelter either, and the only way people could construct shelters

774
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: were through tying tops to the border wall itself. I

775
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 2: like Caber, one of the volunteers who came to help,

776
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 2: describe what they saw when participating in Mutilated a couple

777
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: of days after, but it was.

778
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 8: Definitely was. I don't think it really struck me until,

779
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 8: you know, after, after everything, and you know, after I

780
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 8: left several hours later. But the kind of I mean,

781
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 8: I am right about the situation at the border, but

782
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 8: the kind of matter of fackness of there's just several

783
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 8: hundred people, including children, just kind of between this fence

784
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 8: and they're just stuck there with nothing, and the sort

785
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 8: of a matter of fatness of it all was I think,

786
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 8: I think that struck me the most, and it's been

787
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 8: a much challenge in the process.

788
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 2: In the days before the end of Title forty two,

789
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: confusion had rained at the border. A lot of people

790
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 2: I talked to mentioned that they thought they had to

791
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 2: cross before the end of Title forty two or they

792
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 2: would be ejected and not able to apply for five

793
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: years at a Title eight. This misunderstanding might in part

794
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: be due to some of the misleading rhetoric put out

795
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: by Majorcas and others, which focused on the harsh penalties

796
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 2: for crossing between ports of entry an attempt to appear

797
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 2: strong on the border to their colleagues in DC, they

798
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: didn't place as much emphasis on the right to present

799
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: and claim asylum at a port of entry. But as

800
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 2: we saw yesterday, it's virtually impossible to actually do that,

801
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 2: and Tijuado is already full of thousands of people trying

802
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 2: to do that exact thing. Given a set of circumstances,

803
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 2: it makes sense that many people took the days before

804
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 2: the end of Title forty two. At the final chance

805
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 2: to cross before Title forty two ended, I spoke to

806
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 2: Diana Rodriguez from Colombia about her understanding of what was

807
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: going to happen.

808
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 20: Later that night, Diana Rodriguez the Columbia.

809
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: Diana was with two friends, all of them wearing little

810
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: daisies in their hair and sharing a tarp shelter they'd

811
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: made by tying a blue tarp against the wall so

812
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: they could get some shade and privacy. I asked her

813
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: where the flowers had come from. You hate a recidity

814
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: into your voice by cherine.

815
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 7: Oh, the flowers, the flowers. Ah, well, there are these

816
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 7: little flowers, flowers that are growing here, like in the garden.

817
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 7: So when we went and took a walk over there

818
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 7: and we found them, we put them on and they're pretty.

819
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 7: We call these the little yellow flowers of hope, and

820
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 7: they match the color of our bracelets. We picked them

821
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 7: on the day we arrived, and we knew that we

822
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 7: needed a little bit of encouragement. We got the yellow bracelets.

823
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 7: Because we arrived on Tuesday, everyone got the same bracelet.

824
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: I asked, Diana, which you'd heard about Title forty two,

825
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: which is ending a few hours after we talked.

826
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 7: Yes, it's the end of Title forty two. Title forty

827
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 7: two is the one that endorses mass deportations. Yes, and

828
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 7: well it's a question of you not just getting deported,

829
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 7: but being repatriated. In other words, after this they do

830
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 7: a full repatriation. But right now you are not registered.

831
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 7: And this is but what they do is that they

832
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 7: only return you. They don't register you. But let's say,

833
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 7: on the basis of Article eight, is that a few

834
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 7: at least we are invading American territory, then we are

835
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 7: in effect breaking a law. And what Article eight does

836
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 7: is that they deport you and they put you in

837
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 7: the registered database, saying that you broke the law, and

838
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 7: they punish you for five years and you lose the

839
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 7: right to request your asylum through legal channels.

840
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: People at another camp in u Cumba heard the same

841
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: thing from Colombians, and it seems like there are even

842
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: news pieces run on domestic television explain that US plan

843
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: to return many Colombians in the coming months, and this

844
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: might be the last best chance to cross the border

845
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: without permanent consequences. You got caught in the Cumba. Volunteers

846
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: estimated that two thirds of the people corraled then the

847
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: deasert son from Colombia. Of course, in recent years there

848
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 2: has been instability and violence there, which also drives migration.

849
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: One of my sources also meant a lot of Colombian

850
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,280
Speaker 2: people had seen misleading information about immigration lawa on TikTok.

851
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 2: Two days had passed since Janna arrived. She came with

852
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: one of the girls she was now sharing a top with.

853
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: I met another when they were all dumped in the

854
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 2: camp together. In the days before they were detained here.

855
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: They crossed three countries on their way to what they

856
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: hope was a better life for young women like them.

857
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 2: I asked them to describe that journey for me.

858
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 7: Yes, eight days, eight days more or less, walking from

859
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 7: Colombia from El Salvador to Guatemala, the New Mexico. To

860
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 7: hear all that time walking and taking the bus. There's

861
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 7: apart fifteen or twenty minutes from here where the wall ends,

862
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 7: and we crossed there there was a Mexican patrol and

863
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 7: when they changed shifts, we ran and here we are

864
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 7: on American soil. We arrived on foot and the police

865
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 7: brought us here. They opened the gate and dropped us.

866
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 2: Here along the way. She said, they've run into a

867
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: lot of people. The Mico journey north is such a

868
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 2: common trick that people living alone the way. I found

869
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 2: a way to make a buck, but also a way

870
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: to make a difference. It's not uncommon for migrants to

871
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 2: be extorted, robbed, or threatened. It's also not uncommon for

872
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: them to be fed by strangers, perhaps handing off bags

873
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 2: with food in them, to passing trains or buses, or

874
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 2: perhaps given a place to sleep for the night by

875
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: someone they might never see again.

876
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 7: There were parts where we were extorted. They took all

877
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 7: the money we brought. They robbed us, They stole our passports,

878
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 7: they stole our documents. So it's always quite dangerous. Let's

879
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 7: say that it's dangerous to take this journey. Yes, just

880
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,240
Speaker 7: as we have met some bad people along the way,

881
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 7: we have also met some very good people, people who

882
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 7: have given us a hand, people who have helped us,

883
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 7: people who have collaborated with us in ways you least expect.

884
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 2: I asked Dianna what she hoped for now she was

885
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: technically inside the USA.

886
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,720
Speaker 7: Yes, let's say the hope is that they will listen

887
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 7: to our case, listen to our case, and let us

888
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 7: fight the case inside. Yes, because we want to be

889
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 7: able to explain the conditions we are in, reasons that

890
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 7: those of us who are here came here things like extortion, kidnapping,

891
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 7: and because our lives are in danger in Colombia. So

892
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 7: we wish that they at least listen to our case

893
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 7: and let us plead our cause.

894
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: Before we started recording, Deanna asked what network I was with.

895
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 2: I thought that was in astute question. Networks like Fox

896
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 2: show up at the border, although I didn't see any

897
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 2: Fox National reporters on my trip. Certainly local news channel kus.

898
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 2: I was there, but they're reporting on the ground differed

899
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: from their xenophobic and outright incorrect online coverage. I asked Diana,

900
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: what you'd want to say to folks who might have

901
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: had their perspective influence by the constant demonization of migrants

902
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: by right wing media.

903
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 7: There are many people who, let's say, are in a

904
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 7: mindset of not wanting migrants, and they view them with contempt.

905
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 7: Because where xenophobia exists, it's hard for us because we

906
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 7: suffer along the way. We would like you to change

907
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 7: your way of seeing things and your way of thinking

908
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 7: so that you don't look at us with contempt.

909
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: We have a.

910
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 7: Saying in Columbia that says that he who was born

911
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 7: in a golden cradle never suffers or never sees what

912
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,320
Speaker 7: he does not know. So it's hard when you're born

913
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 7: in a golden cradle and you don't see beyond what

914
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 7: you have. So there are people that in our case,

915
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 7: in my case, I lived a very hard life where

916
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 7: you see the war between armed groups. They exist outside

917
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 7: the law and they can control an area, and you

918
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 7: see the kidnapping, you see the rape of girls, recruitment, extortion, death. Yes,

919
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,959
Speaker 7: so it's hard when we experience that and people say

920
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 7: things like these migrants are coming to invade our country,

921
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 7: we also ask them to treat us as people, because

922
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 7: if we are here, it is not because we want

923
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 7: to invade a territory. It is because we want to

924
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 7: come to fight for a better future for our children

925
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 7: without stepping on anyone. Nobody wants this. But where we

926
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 7: come from, we receive travelers with open arms. And it's

927
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 7: hard when one is a migrant, when one lives the

928
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 7: experience of being a migrant, it is a very hard

929
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 7: thing to be a migrant, having to endure cold, hunger, rain, sun,

930
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 7: that is, all these things, and then arriving here and

931
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 7: seeing faces of contempt. It's hard. It is very hard.

932
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 7: So yes, the important thing is that people must know

933
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 7: that being an immigrant is not easy. Being an immigrant

934
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 7: is not easy.

935
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 2: One of her friends, who she was sharing a top with,

936
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 2: leaned over to give an example.

937
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 7: Everyone despairs because everyone wants to leave, so everyone sees

938
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 7: each other as enemies. So let's say, for example, right now,

939
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 7: when they are sending cars to collect people to process,

940
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 7: so everyone there thinks, I hope they take me. Then

941
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 7: when they don't, it gets to a point where, Yes,

942
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:05,800
Speaker 7: where you despair? I mean it's desperate, but well everyone,

943
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 7: everyone is in the fight together, all in the fight.

944
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,720
Speaker 2: I have to get another dusting down from a CBP

945
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 2: agent who really liked to RaSE his squad bike passing

946
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: mutilaid tables. Spake to a man from Angola. I'll leave

947
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 2: his name out, as he preferred for me not to

948
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: share it. He'd been into Juana for three days, he said,

949
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 2: I was waiting his chance to plead his case for asylum.

950
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 3: No, it's just me and my sister. We suffered a lot.

951
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 3: There were bandits. We came here to be safe. It's

952
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: no way to live. People broke into our house to

953
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: violate women, to look for people, and I was injured.

954
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: Then yeah, why did I leave to come here? Over there?

955
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 3: They're not They're not the means to live.

956
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 2: We didn't get a chance to talk for long, and

957
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 2: some of the recording I got wasn't very good. He

958
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: was waiting in line for food and to be quite on,

959
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 2: I don't like prodding people to share their trauma, but

960
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 2: with so many journalists crowding the border asking them to

961
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: do just that, it tends to be what people offer.

962
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 2: Lots of African migrants can be quite cautious of the

963
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: media because talking to the media at home could get

964
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: them in trouble. I spoke to a friend of mine

965
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 2: himself a migrant from Africa. He said that if migrants

966
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: don't speak English or Spanish, it can be very hard

967
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: for them to get information, and there aren't as many

968
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: nonprofits set up to serve them as there are for

969
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 2: Spanish speaking people, for example. They can often end up

970
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 2: isolated and alone. I did get a better chance to

971
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 2: talk to a Jamaican man called Joseph. It's his singing

972
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 2: you've heard at the start of this episode. Mostly we

973
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 2: talked about things in America, about how he lost his

974
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: phone on his journey, we got him another one at Walmart,

975
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: and about things like football and music. I didn't record

976
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 2: all of that because sometimes it's nice to just talk

977
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: to people. Hopefully it makes their deair a bit brighter

978
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 2: and gives them some information maybe they could help. He

979
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 2: did let me record a bit of an interview and

980
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: some of him singing. He was pretty guarded on the recording,

981
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 2: but as you can hear in this clip, we had

982
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:02,840
Speaker 2: a good time when we weren't recording.

983
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:11,920
Speaker 4: I am the best one, Yeah, it's gotta gimps up.

984
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 4: He's gotta get man up. There we go get my

985
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 4: man's up.

986
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:16,920
Speaker 21: Hey.

987
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 4: You know it's like Jenny is it went on yelling

988
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 4: gen length but Molly, it's going off, going lengthy and

989
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 4: let me see Ian for the sky not me. I'm

990
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 4: pre And Mama says something push free and glow and

991
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 4: red for them, say, m I smile them, No normans

992
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 4: do and red beIN gonna time. Can I watch me? Hey? Man,

993
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 4: grateful man, grateful I went not and go on man,

994
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 4: I smile. Yeah. Once there is life God, I want

995
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:52,399
Speaker 4: to give you everything for some fun. Yeah, love suck,

996
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 4: grat fries, pick up to job me a car. I

997
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 4: gotta to eat and come back. I'm seeing Yeah, man,

998
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 4: that's it. One love. That was beautiful. Yeah, I'm I'm

999
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 4: I'm Joseph.

1000
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 2: I asked him about some of the stuff we spoke

1001
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: about before, but he didn't want to share it.

1002
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1003
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 4: That's the old testimony to me and you and God

1004
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: have to go into church for that. But I'm gonna

1005
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 4: give you that the next time.

1006
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 2: Okay, buddy, all right, just experienced a lot of personal

1007
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: harm from conflict back home in Jamaica. I had a

1008
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 2: difficult journey here with his five year old son.

1009
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's rough. It's rough out there, man, you know,

1010
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 4: it's rough.

1011
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: How did you come like you come? I asked him

1012
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 2: how his young son a dealt with the journey. It's

1013
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: not a safe or easy one for an adult, let

1014
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 2: alone for a little child.

1015
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 4: It's like, it's just kind of scary, broll he pulled you. Yeah,

1016
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 4: that's good. You have my energy inside. That's good. Yeah?

1017
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: Are you how's he finding it here in the camp?

1018
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 4: Oh? Yeah, that camp. I don't know why. That guy

1019
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: is just like me. We just don't make anything better us. Yeah,

1020
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 4: what it's it's working here because you guys give it

1021
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 4: a strength and supporting us. You know.

1022
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: Joseph wanted me to know that he wasn't giving up

1023
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 2: his home. He loves Jamaica, but he also wants a

1024
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 2: better life for his son.

1025
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 4: Is that it's that? Isn't that like I'm giving away

1026
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: my home? My home is a good place. Yeah, yeah,

1027
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 4: it's a good island, nice place to be.

1028
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 2: Of course, this perspective is very common, and it's one

1029
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: that often gets left out of reporting. Coming to the

1030
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: USA is a very hopeful act. It's not abandoning your

1031
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: family or your home. It's trying to make their lives

1032
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 2: better in your life, Livabool. Joseph was quite guided with

1033
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: his story, and that's fine. It's his to share as

1034
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: much as little as he wants. I came to the

1035
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 2: USA without having to get persecuted or hurt, and people

1036
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 2: who don't look like me should have that same right

1037
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 2: as well. Sadly, coming to the USA is also scary

1038
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,719
Speaker 2: and confusing, even for me with three university degrees and

1039
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: all the intersectional privilege I have and fifteen years living here,

1040
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 2: and I've recently minted US passport. Now, I worried for

1041
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 2: years that maybe I'd made a mistake on a form

1042
00:56:56,560 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 2: or missed some kind of deadline. Speaking of deadline, what

1043
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 2: none of the migrants could tell us, what they all

1044
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 2: wanted to ask about was exactly what was happening to

1045
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:09,479
Speaker 2: them as Title forty two expired. A Congolese lady asked

1046
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: me if her passport would be confiscated. A lady from

1047
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: Senegal asked if she needed to pay a bribe like

1048
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: the one she'd paid in Mexico. It wasn't really clear

1049
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: at first if these people were being detained and under

1050
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 2: what process they were being received. Would they be sent

1051
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: back to Mexico and a Title forty two, repatriated under

1052
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,720
Speaker 2: Biden's interpretation of Title eight, or given the right to

1053
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: plead their case as international and US law suggests should

1054
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: be able to. CBP made people sit in lines all

1055
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: day with no indication of when they would be taken

1056
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: to the port of entry for processing. Sometimes I heard

1057
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: people saying if everyone didn't sit down, there would be

1058
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: nobody processed that day. But the only food, water, and

1059
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 2: medical attention available to the migrants with ZA which could

1060
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 2: be passed through the wall, and they had to get

1061
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 2: out of their lines to receive this aid. I'll let

1062
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: Kaber describe what this looked like.

1063
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 8: And they had people made in their lines, sit in

1064
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 8: a line in a specific assigned spot, and but it

1065
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,479
Speaker 8: wasn't always clear if those how those lines actually worked,

1066
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 8: because they would kind of take people from lots of places.

1067
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 8: I think they might have been prioritizing family for children,

1068
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 8: or people with some kind of medical needs or something

1069
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 8: like that. But well, you would never know when they

1070
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 8: were going to come, and we didn't seem to know

1071
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 8: also who they were going to choose to take. We

1072
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 8: assume We didn't know exactly where we were taking them,

1073
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 8: but we assume they were taking the port of entry

1074
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 8: in Sana Seat, which is about a mile away. And

1075
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 8: so what would always happen when they come and get

1076
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 8: a group is like three or four people from that

1077
00:58:36,600 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 8: group would sprint over to the world because we still

1078
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 8: had their phones and CBP wasn't going to wait for

1079
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 8: us to get the phones.

1080
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: One thing a lot of people we talked to shared

1081
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: was that there was another camp, which we later found

1082
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 2: how is as many as eight hundred single men. It's

1083
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 2: fairly usual to keep single men apart from families, but

1084
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 2: keeping them in an inaccessible place without adequate food or

1085
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 2: water is not usual. The camp was further west, and

1086
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: despite repeated requests from myself and others, including those delivering aid,

1087
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: we were not allowed to access it. One pair of

1088
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 2: Jamaican twins, both young men, told me they had walked

1089
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: up there and that things were very bad. People were

1090
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 2: only given one small water bottom the granola bar every day,

1091
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 2: they said. One person told me they'd heard people eating grass.

1092
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: I asked CBP's press office for information on this, but

1093
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 2: they didn't respond. Here's one clip of a man trying

1094
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 2: to explain how bad things were there. It's hard to

1095
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 2: communicate across language barriers, and with a war between you

1096
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 2: it is even harder. But I could tell he was

1097
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,320
Speaker 2: very concerned for the folks that we couldn't get to,

1098
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,200
Speaker 2: despite myself and others trying and me addressing this issue

1099
00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 2: directly and emails to CBP, and never got any response

1100
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: on why people were not allowed to help the single

1101
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: men in the other camp, just not helping.

1102
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,800
Speaker 18: What little water, chocolod.

1103
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: Nothing else, no food, no war water, blankets, nothing. I'll

1104
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 2: go try and go up there. Even with these camps

1105
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 2: being pretty desperate places, folks look after one another. We

1106
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 2: spoke a lot with one lady who spoke English. She

1107
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: was there with her own family, but she was also

1108
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 2: looking after two Tagi children who'd come alone. Their mother

1109
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,280
Speaker 2: spoke a little English, so she relayed news to the

1110
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 2: children by calling their mother and having her translated for

1111
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 2: her children. Other folks took it upon themselves to try

1112
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: and walk to the camp for single men with water,

1113
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: and people constantly helped us find the owners of phone

1114
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: by wandering through the rows of people sheltering under taps

1115
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 2: and space blankets to look for people who had left

1116
01:00:46,040 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 2: us their devices to charge. In Noucumber, a town an

1117
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,880
Speaker 2: hour or so east of San Diego, things were worse.

1118
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 2: Cumber's home to a cute hotel, a lovely lake, a

1119
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 2: hot and an awful lot of big rugs. When the

1120
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: border war was being built in earnest before the twenty

1121
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: twenty election, they skipped some of the harder areas. Perhaps

1122
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,439
Speaker 2: they figured it would be too hard to cross there,

1123
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: it's not Perhaps they wanted to maximize the mileage before

1124
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 2: election day. Well it didn't help much, but either way,

1125
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 2: for some reason, the wall just takes a little break

1126
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 2: in Hucumber, and this makes crossing marginally easier there. However,

1127
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: the boulder fields, scorching hot days and cold nights make

1128
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 2: it anything but easy. On Thursday night, the eleventh of May,

1129
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 2: locals in Ucumber became aware that CBP were holding people

1130
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: on a dirt road in the open desert, just a

1131
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 2: few miles east of town and a few hundred feet

1132
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 2: from the wall. The people held they didn't have access

1133
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: to toilets, running water, or shelter. With every hour that

1134
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 2: went past, the number of people grew. The biggest camp

1135
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 2: soon held over a thousand people desperately trying to scratch

1136
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 2: out a little shade in the desert. Other smaller camps

1137
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 2: popped up, one was apparently in someone's yard, and the

1138
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,919
Speaker 2: people of this tiny desert town about helping as best

1139
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 2: they could. Soon they were joined by volunteers from all

1140
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 2: over the county. Katie was one of those volunteers. She

1141
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 2: doesn't live in a Cumba, but her friends do and

1142
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: her family sometimes spends time there. Once she heard about

1143
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 2: what was happening, she knew she had to help. I

1144
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: let her describe her feelings after she saw the post online,

1145
01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 2: and then drove out to cumber to see what she

1146
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: could do to help.

1147
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,760
Speaker 20: At first, I was just super touched by the activation

1148
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 20: and the carrying, and my son was asleep, comfortable in

1149
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 20: his car seat, you know, in our Mercedes van. And

1150
01:02:42,640 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 20: my husband is still trying to get citizenship after being

1151
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 20: here since he was two years old. So and we're

1152
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 20: married and he pays taxes. And when I saw our

1153
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 20: friends activating, I just told him tomorrow's Mother's Day and

1154
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 20: I need to come back here, and it's not safe

1155
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:14,919
Speaker 20: for you here. So when I first arrived, I thought

1156
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 20: it was kind of odd that everything was organized around

1157
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 20: a random road that has a gate, and there were

1158
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 20: five only five border patrol at the time, and about

1159
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 20: that was a larger camp, so I want to say

1160
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 20: at least eight hundred people, maybe a thousand. I didn't

1161
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 20: see them all because many of them would received their

1162
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 20: donations and the assistance and went back to their shelters.

1163
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 2: A few days after the migrants arrived, I camped out

1164
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,600
Speaker 2: in Ukumba. I was cold in my sleeping bag at

1165
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: night and dizzy in the sun in the day. It's

1166
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: not a place where you'd want to be stuck outside

1167
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 2: the long but it's a place where fifteen hundred or

1168
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 2: so people were held for days little more than the shelters.

1169
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: They were built out of creosota and mesquite to protect

1170
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,080
Speaker 2: their families from the elements. They slept on the dirt

1171
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 2: or in cardboard boxes left over from the food Volunteers

1172
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: fed them and under whatever folks and tiny desert count

1173
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 2: could find to give them. By the time I arrived,

1174
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: the migrants were gone and volunteers were cleaning up. The

1175
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: landscape was dotted with impressively constructed brush shelters. Volunteers from

1176
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:38,040
Speaker 2: her Cumba set up tables to distribute food, blankets, water,

1177
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,480
Speaker 2: and clothing. Other volunteers stayed away from the camp itself

1178
01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,280
Speaker 2: and spent time packing things into individual sizes, perhaps combining

1179
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 2: hats and socks and maybe a toy for a child

1180
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: in one bag, or breaking down costco packages of snacks

1181
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,160
Speaker 2: into individual portions. It's not necessarily the most rewarding task,

1182
01:04:54,600 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 2: but it's an important one. I asked Marissa, another volunteer

1183
01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: who had previously worked in Sandy Go for the Forest Service,

1184
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,520
Speaker 2: what she felt when we were cleaning out some of

1185
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 2: those shelters together a couple of days later.

1186
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 22: I don't know the best way to say this, but

1187
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 22: what hit me deeper was when this might seem strange,

1188
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 22: but when I saw women's sanitary napkins or the diapers

1189
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 22: or the babies, like it was kind of like a

1190
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 22: fabric padded crib basinet type thing that suddenly hit me

1191
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 22: on a deeper level. It would make me emotional because

1192
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:39,400
Speaker 22: it's like then you start to realize, like, wow, what

1193
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 22: if that was me and my child or I'm not

1194
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 22: a mother, but I can only imagine what that must

1195
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 22: be like for them to be going through these things

1196
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:52,520
Speaker 22: as a as a woman, being on your on your

1197
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 22: period and being out and not having anything, you know,

1198
01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 22: going to the bathroom out there. What do you use

1199
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 22: when you don't have those supplies?

1200
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 4: So yeah, it just.

1201
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 23: That was when it hit me deeper, and I knew

1202
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 23: I was doing the right thing by being out there

1203
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 23: and helping in whatever way I could, because I don't

1204
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 23: when it comes to the politics side of it, when

1205
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 23: it comes to like legality and just different aspects of it.

1206
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 23: In that way, I don't have necessarily an opinion one

1207
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 23: way or another. I'm not educated enough to feel like

1208
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 23: I can argue one way or another or defend one

1209
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 23: position or another. I went out there purely for my

1210
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 23: love of humanity, and I think being able to support

1211
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 23: in whatever way I can that was the way that

1212
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 23: I felt like I could serve and be a support.

1213
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 2: Katie hadn't expected to meet migrants of the camp when

1214
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,160
Speaker 2: you first showed up. She knew it was important not

1215
01:07:01,200 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 2: to flog the camp with volunteers, and their help was

1216
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 2: needed packaging and preparing aid drops, which she was happy

1217
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,600
Speaker 2: to do. But in the end, she traveled up to

1218
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: the camp with a friend who spoke Portuguese so they

1219
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 2: could help translate and distribute supplies. I asked her what

1220
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:16,480
Speaker 2: it was like to see the supplies she'd purchased a

1221
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:18,959
Speaker 2: few hours before end up in the hands of people

1222
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 2: who desperately needed them.

1223
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:24,840
Speaker 20: They don't even have a grocery store in her cumber.

1224
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 20: They have one mini mart with nothing in it, and

1225
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 20: that was sold out the first day. So these people

1226
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 20: who we would look at without a lot of resources,

1227
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:50,240
Speaker 20: passing the abundance of what they actually have. Well, I

1228
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 20: saw a lot of families. I could tell that there

1229
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 20: were leaders within the group because they were helping organize

1230
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 20: as much as the volunteers were. And unfortunately there was

1231
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 20: language barriers, you know, And so those that could speak

1232
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 20: multiple languages, whether they were border crossers or volunteers, were

1233
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 20: together in it and or and that was part of

1234
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 20: that organization that I'm talking about, you know. And and

1235
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 20: it was actually a very calm scene when we first

1236
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 20: came up. I saw my son's hat that I donated

1237
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:42,160
Speaker 20: and a little boy hugging this jaguar stuffed animal. And

1238
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 20: the jaguar was really significant to my friend and I

1239
01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 20: when we found it. So it was really touching just

1240
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,839
Speaker 20: to like see see the things that we were bringing

1241
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 20: being literally being distributed. Like sometimes when you think you're helping.

1242
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:05,000
Speaker 20: I worked for a door to door campaign when I

1243
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 20: was in my teens and I got fifty percent of

1244
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:12,679
Speaker 20: what I raised, and it was like disheartening, and you're like, oh,

1245
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:17,639
Speaker 20: this is how it works. And in this case, money

1246
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 20: that I directly spent on resources that were needed was

1247
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 20: going directly to the people.

1248
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: In all likelihood, people crossed in a specific spot because

1249
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 2: someone dropped them there telling them it would be easy.

1250
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,160
Speaker 2: In fact, it was anything but people die crossing around here.

1251
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,560
Speaker 2: In the dirt around Cucumber, I found discarded fly to

1252
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 2: itineries and documents from Turkey, Nicaragua, Columbia, Mexico. There were

1253
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 2: also little children's toys, shoes, and hundreds of empty water

1254
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: bottles which we diligently picked up. But none of the

1255
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,880
Speaker 2: more than one thousand people who the Board Patrol held

1256
01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:55,840
Speaker 2: in this camp have planned for what they got, which

1257
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,479
Speaker 2: was several days being detained in the desert by CBP

1258
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 2: with intefficient water, no shelter, and very little food, and

1259
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,400
Speaker 2: no information on what was happening or how long they

1260
01:10:04,400 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 2: could expect to be there. Sadly didn't get there in

1261
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 2: time to speak to any of them. I was in

1262
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: Arizona looking for border vigilantes and wondering what CBP had

1263
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 2: been doing to migrants there where they have the full

1264
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 2: support of local law enforcement and a large percentage of

1265
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 2: the aging population. To my surprise, he didn't find much.

1266
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: It seems like most people had crossed in the San

1267
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: Diego County area. Many had flown or walked to Tijuana.

1268
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:31,559
Speaker 2: Of course, migrants, just like us, have accessed the news

1269
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 2: and to weather forecast and maps. Crossing in Arizona, a

1270
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,479
Speaker 2: place known for cruelty and very hot weather doesn't make

1271
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 2: any sense when California offers a better political and weather climate,

1272
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: and with the mixed messages coming out about immigration law,

1273
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 2: these folks may not have been intending to evade border patrol,

1274
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: but to come to the USA and to take their

1275
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 2: legal right to claim asylum. I spoke to Sam, a

1276
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 2: volunteer with extensive on the ground experience in humanitarian crises,

1277
01:10:56,280 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 2: about what he'd seen at the camp.

1278
01:10:58,240 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 24: Oh my name is Sam.

1279
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 2: Sure, he said, many of the people who found themselves

1280
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 2: in a cumber had likely been told by people smokelers,

1281
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 2: but this was an easy way into the US. In

1282
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:08,960
Speaker 2: the end, it was anything but.

1283
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 24: They I mean, I know they didn't expect that they

1284
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:14,840
Speaker 24: were just waltz across the border at a normal check station,

1285
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:17,120
Speaker 24: but they thought it was going to be they were

1286
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 24: sold in bill of goods.

1287
01:11:18,120 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 2: Let's put it back walking.

1288
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 24: Yes, that's it. And so I mean, I feel sorry

1289
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 24: for anybody who's take advantage of all like that. But

1290
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 24: most of the people that I met again who are

1291
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 24: not Colombians, were of the wealthier side of the on

1292
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 24: their countries. I met some of Becky's, some Kazakis, a

1293
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 24: bunch of people from India, a couple of Pakistani guys. Mindray,

1294
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 24: I mean they didn't get here cheap.

1295
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 2: The wall behind the people in Hookumba cost twenty five

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01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 2: million dollars a mile on average. The border patrol agent

1297
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,920
Speaker 2: drove around in f one fifty rapped to trucks that

1298
01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 2: started eighty thousand dollars and each make a starting salary

1299
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:58,080
Speaker 2: of over sixty thousand dollars in their first year. Surveillance

1300
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 2: towers that dot the desert only one which provided a

1301
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:04,240
Speaker 2: tiny scrap of shade to migrants resting under its solar panels,

1302
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,519
Speaker 2: can cost a million dollars apiece. But people in a

1303
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 2: cumber received only one small water bottle each day. Despite

1304
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: the punishing weather. Although Customs and Border Protection did not

1305
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 2: seem to make any plan to shelter migrants in Cucumber,

1306
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 2: they did plan to have contractors paid forty dollars an

1307
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,879
Speaker 2: hour to take them away. I found a job advert

1308
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 2: for a Southwest Border Transportation and Security officer at ISS

1309
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 2: Action Security. The agency photograph transporting migrants in the Cumber.

1310
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: The job posting, which was posted two weeks before the

1311
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 2: end of Title forty two, has a description that includes

1312
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:44,479
Speaker 2: patting down all detainees and applying appropriate restraints prior to

1313
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 2: boarding vehicles. The process through its migrants become detainees normally

1314
01:12:50,040 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 2: involves processing which had not been done in Nucumber. But

1315
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: it seems the presumption of ineligibility announced on the day

1316
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 2: Title forty two ended came into effect here. This might

1317
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 2: seem minor distinction, but it's important. It means that people

1318
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,160
Speaker 2: have to file a defensive asylum claim and not an

1319
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,719
Speaker 2: affirmative one. They have to plead why they shouldn't be deported,

1320
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:12,439
Speaker 2: rather than why they have a right to stay. Many

1321
01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 2: of the people who have been trying to cross before

1322
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:17,120
Speaker 2: the end of Title forty two, like Diana, because they

1323
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 2: felt they would face a less serious penalty. Many of

1324
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 2: them flew to Tina, walked from further south in Mexico

1325
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,360
Speaker 2: or even in Central America. I likely spent their entire

1326
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: savings on a trip to the gap in the wall

1327
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,960
Speaker 2: near Cucumber that ended with them being held by border

1328
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: patrol in the open desert with next to nothing in

1329
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: the way of shelter, sanitation, or sustenance. As a way

1330
01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:38,840
Speaker 2: to quantify this, I want a reference to UCSD US

1331
01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 2: Immigration Policy Center report apparently had some pretty problematic practices,

1332
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 2: but anyway, these are results from its survey. When asked

1333
01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,719
Speaker 2: whether border patrol gave them enough water for the day,

1334
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: over half of the asylum seekers that we interviewed, approximately

1335
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 2: fifty three percent said no. Border patrol distributed one water

1336
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:01,559
Speaker 2: bottle to each migrant in the morning. When asked where

1337
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,639
Speaker 2: the border patrol gave them enough food for the day,

1338
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 2: all of the asylum seekers said no. Border patrol did

1339
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:11,200
Speaker 2: not distribute any food. When asked where the border patrol

1340
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: provided adequate sanitation such as toilets, all of the asylum

1341
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 2: seekers that we interviewed, meaning one hundred percent, said no.

1342
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 2: Border patrol provided one porter body for the entire encampment.

1343
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,639
Speaker 2: When asked where the border patrol provided adepriate shelter, such

1344
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 2: as shade to protect them from the sun. All of

1345
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: the asylum seekers that we interviewed said no. Border patrol

1346
01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: did not provide any shelter. When asked where the border

1347
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: patrol provided blankets to keep them warm at night, all

1348
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,880
Speaker 2: but one of the asylum seekers we interviewed said no.

1349
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 2: Border patrol provided blankets. Some migrants, but the overwhelming majority,

1350
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 2: did not receive blankets. Altogether, two thirds of the asylum

1351
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,960
Speaker 2: seekers we interviewed said that they agree or strongly agree

1352
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,760
Speaker 2: with the statement if I did not receive food and

1353
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 2: water from volunteers, I would not get enough food and

1354
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:04,720
Speaker 2: water from border patrol to survive. These aren't exaggerations, as

1355
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: we'll see, several migrants did come very close to losing

1356
01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 2: their lives in the five or more days that CBP

1357
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 2: detained people out in the open along the border. Medical

1358
01:15:21,479 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 2: incidents in this kind of attention are far from uncommon.

1359
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 2: A lawsuit filed against Customs a Border Protection by the

1360
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 2: Southern Border Communities Coalition regarding their actions this week, stated

1361
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:34,679
Speaker 2: that quote many migrants have fallen into medical distress because

1362
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 2: of the conditions and CBP has been slow to provide

1363
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 2: access to medical attention, often only responding at the insistence

1364
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,480
Speaker 2: of advocates. As a result, one woman suffered life threatening allergies,

1365
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 2: a child suffered an epileptic seizure, and a man suffered

1366
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,599
Speaker 2: an unattended infection on his leg. Medical attention was slow

1367
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: to arrive, and when it did arrive, it was often insufficient.

1368
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,360
Speaker 2: Arlet Kayber described the conditions they saw a couple of

1369
01:15:58,439 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: days after the end of Title forty two.

1370
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 8: That's really the part that it is hard to interstate.

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01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:09,280
Speaker 8: The conditions there were not safe or sanitary. I guess

1372
01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 8: this is sort of related to the medical issues, but

1373
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:15,439
Speaker 8: there was it's been you know, to their credit, this

1374
01:16:15,520 --> 01:16:19,080
Speaker 8: aspect has been reported in the media. But there was

1375
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,679
Speaker 8: a single portable toilet for anywhere from I guess there's

1376
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 8: probably twitered to four hundred people there. I heard a

1377
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 8: couple of different citations of how often this toilet is

1378
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 8: serviced and cleaned and the waste removed anywhere from once

1379
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 8: or twice a week to once every week or two weeks.

1380
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:43,799
Speaker 8: Either way, that's not remotely sufficient for four hundred people

1381
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 8: using the bathroom multiple times a day in this single

1382
01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 8: portable like just a construction site toilet. It was right

1383
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 8: next to the phone charging station on the other side

1384
01:16:54,240 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 8: of the wall, and I would just feel sick if

1385
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 8: I got if I sit too close to it. It

1386
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 8: was really vile. It was not safe. It is not

1387
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 8: a way for people to be helping. And I do know,

1388
01:17:08,200 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 8: I think a lot of thankfully people stop using it,

1389
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 8: but then they don't have any privacy or that's not

1390
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 8: you know, a sanitary in a situation to be in

1391
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 8: since I mean they don't have a feed in the

1392
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 8: space anywhere, so that's definitely right. The way is that

1393
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:27,640
Speaker 8: people are intention of help and safety.

1394
01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: He's Hamara, who will hear more from tomorrow describe being

1395
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,480
Speaker 2: ano of the medical.

1396
01:17:31,200 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 6: Incident and the call that I got this morning was

1397
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 6: of a woman who was rushed out because she had

1398
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 6: an emergency situation, taken to the hospital. The hospital didn't

1399
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 6: know what to do with her, so they sat her

1400
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 6: right back here in the middle of the night, in

1401
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 6: the middle of the night, and they brought her here.

1402
01:17:48,320 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 6: She doesn't have any documents. CBP didn't get a chance

1403
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 6: to process her yet, so she doesn't even have any

1404
01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 6: proof that she actually came to the port of entry

1405
01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,879
Speaker 6: and try to seek asylum. And she was just sleeping

1406
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,719
Speaker 6: right here, and she has burns all over her body,

1407
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:04,000
Speaker 6: has an infection.

1408
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:04,680
Speaker 7: I read the.

1409
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:10,160
Speaker 6: Seven medications that they gave her, and she speaks daddy.

1410
01:18:10,240 --> 01:18:13,720
Speaker 6: She's from Avonistan. Her husband got taken by the Taliban

1411
01:18:13,760 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 6: and she escaped, running for her life. And she's here

1412
01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:20,360
Speaker 6: and she has sunburns all over her face and she

1413
01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:22,919
Speaker 6: has nowhere to go. She thought she was still detained.

1414
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 6: She actually thought she was still detained. She was just

1415
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,599
Speaker 6: trying to get back to the other side of the border.

1416
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,360
Speaker 6: She thought she was still in Mexico. No one explained

1417
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 6: anything to her. They brought her back here in the

1418
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:37,560
Speaker 6: middle of the night, and she was freezing and so wet.

1419
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:38,960
Speaker 6: That's why I came out here.

1420
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 10: I talked to her.

1421
01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:41,800
Speaker 6: The other folks who were out here didn't know why

1422
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:45,320
Speaker 6: she was just sleeping here, and I came out and

1423
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 6: tried to translate it. And now we have her at

1424
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 6: a hotel.

1425
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,759
Speaker 2: Cable witness one of the emergencies described in the Southern

1426
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: Border Communities Coalition lawsuit when they visited the camp. Here's

1427
01:18:55,080 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 2: him describing it in.

1428
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 8: Terms of you know, medical player as well, Like I said,

1429
01:18:59,160 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 8: one of the parts of the aid operation that was

1430
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 8: going on was most people. I think there's a combination

1431
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 8: both of people who were were you know, and then

1432
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 8: street medicine as well as people who were like nurses

1433
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 8: volunteering their prime and things like that, and and mostly

1434
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 8: taking care of just kind of fortein first aid for

1435
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 8: the most part. There was a situation where someone was

1436
01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:30,480
Speaker 8: having an ellergic reaction, a fairly severe one, and and

1437
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 8: I happy to carry an EpiPen, so I simply give

1438
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:37,760
Speaker 8: that to be one of one of the street medics.

1439
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 8: And then they eventually did call this person. The reaction

1440
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 8: bot severe enough that it was an an hour or

1441
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,479
Speaker 8: so later that nine one was called I assumed by

1442
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:54,960
Speaker 8: one of the volunteers, and uh amby Villaince and Border

1443
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 8: patrol came to open the gate and and bring this

1444
01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:00,400
Speaker 8: person in the country. They did eventually treat, but it

1445
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:03,440
Speaker 8: was a very it was a long time an anti

1446
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:09,680
Speaker 8: quatus someone as someone who has a flexis and actions,

1447
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 8: and something happened many times in her life that is

1448
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 8: absolutely terrifying. I cannot imagine how terrifying it would be

1449
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 8: to be experiencing a life priding situation when you worked

1450
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 8: for apps and and you know, there's no authority that

1451
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 8: really cares that you're there. And I don't know if

1452
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 8: she would have been able to get help if there

1453
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 8: have been volunteers in the second while, especially once.

1454
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:38,720
Speaker 2: We're training where volunteers weren't. Things were worse in Texas

1455
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 2: and is out There is an eight year old girl

1456
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 2: born in Panama to or On Duran parents, died in

1457
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:51,759
Speaker 2: CBP custody. Rosselleree Is, the girl's father, told NBC News

1458
01:20:52,240 --> 01:20:55,520
Speaker 2: that they gave authorities documents about the girl's medical conditions

1459
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 2: congenital heart disease and sickle cell anemia while they were

1460
01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:02,879
Speaker 2: in immigration customer. They said that a doctor there examined

1461
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: dan Adeath and that she had contracted the flu. Alvarez,

1462
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: her mother, said she spoke to both detention authorities and

1463
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 2: medical personnel at the station multiple times to explain her

1464
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 2: daughter was complaining of pain and shortness of breath and

1465
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 2: that she was getting worse. I'll quite the next part

1466
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:24,560
Speaker 2: directly from the NBC story. They never listened to me,

1467
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 2: she said. Rayas said his daughter was in a lot

1468
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 2: of pain, a lot of pain. I begged them to

1469
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 2: call an ambulance. Alvarez said, adding the authorities told her

1470
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 2: the girl's condition wasn't serious enough to warrant calling an ambulance.

1471
01:21:39,640 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 2: Alvarez said her daughter begged authorities as well, telling them

1472
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: she could not breathe from her nose or mouth. Alvarez

1473
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 2: says that eventually her daughter lost consciousness and died in

1474
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 2: my arms. She said authorities took the girl from her

1475
01:21:55,960 --> 01:21:58,800
Speaker 2: arms and put her on the floor trying to revive her.

1476
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 2: My daughter died there in the station, she said. Ava

1477
01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: said she feels authorities did not do enough to help

1478
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:11,800
Speaker 2: her little girl. My daughter is a human being. They

1479
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 2: had to take care of her, she said. Despite what

1480
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,599
Speaker 2: you might have heard on the network news, the asylum

1481
01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:21,160
Speaker 2: process is anything but easy. I've had several visas, a

1482
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 2: Green card, and a US passport, and I can completly

1483
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:25,720
Speaker 2: tell you the only easy way I've ever seen to

1484
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:29,160
Speaker 2: come here is to be very rich. But even among

1485
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 2: the convoluted bureaucratic mess that is US immigration, the asylum

1486
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: process stands out as both rigorous and complicated. Asylum is

1487
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: a process by which people unable or unwilling to return

1488
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: to their country because of persecution or a well founded

1489
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:48,680
Speaker 2: fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, politics,

1490
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: or membership of a particular social group may remain in

1491
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:56,280
Speaker 2: a safe country. From the eleventh of May onwards, migrants

1492
01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:59,479
Speaker 2: at the border were assumed ineligible for asylum. If they

1493
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:03,080
Speaker 2: crosspitw Queen points of entry, they must enter the defensive

1494
01:23:03,080 --> 01:23:06,680
Speaker 2: asylum process to prevent themselves from being deported. What this

1495
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 2: means for people we heard from earlier is that they

1496
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,439
Speaker 2: are now taken for whatever God for sake and holding area.

1497
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,880
Speaker 2: They're in a bust to a processing facility where they're

1498
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: interviewed by an asylum officer to determine if they have

1499
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: a credible fear of persecution. They may need to provide

1500
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 2: a translator if there is an interviewing agent who speaks

1501
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 2: their language, and if they're determined to have a credible fear,

1502
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 2: they're told to check in with the US Customs and

1503
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,720
Speaker 2: Immigration Office and sometimes given a notice which may or

1504
01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 2: may not be dated to appear in court. My colleague

1505
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,800
Speaker 2: Joe tried to get into one of these hotels to

1506
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:38,519
Speaker 2: talk to one of the people we'd spoken to at

1507
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: the border, but he was pretty quickly shut down.

1508
01:23:41,479 --> 01:23:45,960
Speaker 14: Yeah, how you do either, I'm a freelance journalist I'm

1509
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,360
Speaker 14: here reporting for my boss, James Stout.

1510
01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 4: He's at iHeartMedia.

1511
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:51,639
Speaker 2: I'm wondering if you're letting media in here to see

1512
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 2: the causability that okay, also be actelized.

1513
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 4: And I put the strict uny of this area here.

1514
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to set up it has to be

1515
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,519
Speaker 1: on the side of the line, have a bland traffic.

1516
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, and it's very dangerous for your k So like

1517
01:24:04,160 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 14: beyond here, past the yeah, from here over Okay, cool, I'll.

1518
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:08,400
Speaker 25: Say how you're.

1519
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 2: One of the folks we'd met was able to stay

1520
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 2: in touch for our WhatsApp and share the hotel rules

1521
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: with us. They were pretty strict. Migrants are confined to

1522
01:24:18,120 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 2: their rooms, they can't have visitors, and they can't even

1523
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,479
Speaker 2: order food delivery from the hotel where they're hosted by

1524
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 2: Catholic charities. Migrants need to get to their sponsor in

1525
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: the United States if they have one. If they don't

1526
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,840
Speaker 2: have one, they can be sent just about anywhere. I've

1527
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,280
Speaker 2: heard of East African folks having ended up in Alaska,

1528
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 2: for example. Once they get to where they're going to be,

1529
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: they check in with US Customs and Immigration Services in

1530
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,639
Speaker 2: their new location and they're given a special phone which

1531
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:46,839
Speaker 2: also tracks their movements. They may have a DNA sample

1532
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 2: taken in addition to fingerprints. Later, sometimes years later, they

1533
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 2: attend a court hearing or two to determine their eligibility

1534
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 2: to stay. I've heard of lawyers charging from five thousand

1535
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: dollars to twelve thousand dollars for these hearings, and nonprofit

1536
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,479
Speaker 2: legalists and services are totally overwhelmed. At the moment, the

1537
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 2: system's massively backed up, and court dates are being given

1538
01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 2: as far out as twenty twenty seven already. They may

1539
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 2: or may not be able to work during that period.

1540
01:25:13,439 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Another the table work is getting harder and harder to find.

1541
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 2: Even if they do find work on less than minimum wage,

1542
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 2: it can be very hard to say about five thousand

1543
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 2: dollars for a lawyer A Migrants who can't find nonprofit

1544
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:27,200
Speaker 2: help are at a significant disadvantage when it comes to

1545
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:32,000
Speaker 2: their asylum hearings. Again, private security contractors, this time from Allied.

1546
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:36,839
Speaker 2: We're transporting migrants to the hotel and guarding it. Like CBP.

1547
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: The private contractors you guard transport and incat rate migrants

1548
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 2: or rely on the broken in immigration system to make money.

1549
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:48,000
Speaker 2: Unlike CBP. The agents themselves aren't well paid. Nineteen dollars

1550
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:50,400
Speaker 2: an hours are going rate for Allied, not much higher

1551
01:25:50,439 --> 01:25:53,679
Speaker 2: than San Diego's sixteen dollars and thirty cents minimum wage.

1552
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 2: But the company itself is huge. It's the third last

1553
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 2: year as private employer in North America after Walmart Amazon.

1554
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,919
Speaker 2: Allied guards are at prisons, airports, and shopping malls across America,

1555
01:26:05,360 --> 01:26:08,600
Speaker 2: and it's alleged that some are underpaid, insufficiently trained, and

1556
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: improperly vetted. The company grosses over twenty billion dollars, and

1557
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 2: it's affiliates are frequent political donors. All across this story

1558
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:23,800
Speaker 2: you'll see this Allied security iss action, security people, smugglers,

1559
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,120
Speaker 2: customs and border protection, contractors who build the war pieces,

1560
01:26:27,120 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: and contractors who install the war pieces, General Atomics who

1561
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 2: sell CBP drones, and the Israelian American companies who sell

1562
01:26:33,840 --> 01:26:37,960
Speaker 2: the surveillance technology to the government. All these people make money,

1563
01:26:38,640 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 2: but the poorest people in the world are the only

1564
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,439
Speaker 2: ones losing money and sometimes their lives when they cross

1565
01:26:43,479 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: our southern border tomorrow. We're here from some of the

1566
01:26:47,040 --> 01:26:49,959
Speaker 2: people who made no money and looked after the migrants

1567
01:26:50,080 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 2: and will continue to support them through the asylum process.

1568
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 9: Try and carpool, try and shove into cars as best

1569
01:27:08,320 --> 01:27:10,719
Speaker 9: you can, just so that we don't have a mile long.

1570
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 5: Line of cars.

1571
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 9: We have trash bags, we have gloves, we have things

1572
01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 9: that we're bringing up there, so what we.

1573
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:23,519
Speaker 4: Have cars that you can get all of that out of.

1574
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 26: Once we pull over. We're also setting up a couple.

1575
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:28,559
Speaker 4: Of pop ups.

1576
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:31,800
Speaker 2: Ohcumba, California is a tiny town. You've probably never heard

1577
01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 2: of it. It's actually really charming. There's a hot spring

1578
01:27:34,800 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 2: and a gorgeous hotel, a few stores selling our drinkets,

1579
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. There's a lovely lake fed by

1580
01:27:40,360 --> 01:27:42,719
Speaker 2: the spring. And on this Sunday morning, there are about

1581
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,240
Speaker 2: fifty people outside an old petrol station, nervously pounding bottles

1582
01:27:46,280 --> 01:27:49,160
Speaker 2: of water, applying sunscreen and getting ready to head out

1583
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 2: of the desert to clear up the ad hoc migrant

1584
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,200
Speaker 2: camp that's held as many as fifteen hundred people out

1585
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: in the open when Title forty two ended and Border

1586
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 2: Patrol made no plans to keep them anywhere. It was

1587
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 2: a diverse bunch of people hidden beneath sun hats. There's

1588
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:05,200
Speaker 2: an Australian film producer who was at a conference in

1589
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Orlando and booked a fly over a grad student painter.

1590
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:10,559
Speaker 2: The folks who were in the Hookumber Hotel who organize

1591
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:13,560
Speaker 2: this whole thing, they're friends from the hospitality industry in

1592
01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 2: San Diego. There were students and mums and dads and

1593
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 2: about the entire population of this tiny desert town. There

1594
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: were also two former International Aid workers who are in

1595
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:24,679
Speaker 2: a tower where you can look at the desert, which

1596
01:28:24,680 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 2: is actually a much cooler thing than it sounds. And

1597
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 2: there's also a museum of boulders right next to it.

1598
01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 2: You should probably check them out. Dur in the area.

1599
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 2: I spent the day helping out in Neucumber after the refugees,

1600
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:37,599
Speaker 2: some of them in handcuffs, had been taken by private

1601
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 2: contractors to be processed by CBP's Office of Field Operations.

1602
01:28:42,320 --> 01:28:44,559
Speaker 2: We met at a petrol station in the middle of town.

1603
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 2: The space where the pumps should be was filled with tons,

1604
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 2: and I do mean tons of bottled water, masks, hand

1605
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: sanitized and other necessary supplies. When I'd arrived the night before,

1606
01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:58,000
Speaker 2: around ten pm, the eerie green and yellow lights reflecting

1607
01:28:58,040 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 2: from the roof had lit up the palace of water

1608
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,759
Speaker 2: like some kind of giant lava lamp, and driving across

1609
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:06,400
Speaker 2: the desert, the town looked like it was glowing. The

1610
01:29:06,439 --> 01:29:08,200
Speaker 2: town certainly has had a bit of a glow up

1611
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:11,600
Speaker 2: in the last few years. Three business partners purchased the

1612
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 2: cir Cumber hot Springs Hotel, a down in the mouth

1613
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,160
Speaker 2: property that had once been a glamorous desert resort, and

1614
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,960
Speaker 2: they've been restoring the place for nearly two years. Inadvertently,

1615
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: they also purchased a lot of land and a few

1616
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: other rundown buildings in a town that were sold as

1617
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: a lot with the hotel. It was in one of

1618
01:29:27,160 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 2: these buildings, the old gas station, that they set up

1619
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:34,320
Speaker 2: a de facto mutual aid hubbo almost overnight. The hotel's

1620
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 2: not finished yet, and they probably didn't make much progress

1621
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 2: on it during the week when they were feeding more

1622
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 2: than a thousand people in the desert. The town's lake,

1623
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 2: fed by a natural spring an old bath house used

1624
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 2: to be attractions. Today the bathhouse of roof has fallen off,

1625
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: but it still makes a pretty cool concert venue, and

1626
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 2: the whole town offers commanding views of the border wall,

1627
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:55,720
Speaker 2: which sadly is only a couple of hundred yards from

1628
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:59,639
Speaker 2: the main street. When I arrived in Cucumber. Everything was close.

1629
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:02,439
Speaker 2: The mini mark was sold out, the hotel was still

1630
01:30:02,439 --> 01:30:05,000
Speaker 2: being worked on, and the hotel kitchen was churning out

1631
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:08,920
Speaker 2: food volunteers at the clean up effort. I asked Marissa,

1632
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 2: one of the volunteers I met that day, about her

1633
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 2: first impressions on arriving at a meeting point.

1634
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 22: I was incredibly impressed by what the people of hu

1635
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:22,479
Speaker 22: Kumba and the hotel group of individuals that have organized this,

1636
01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:26,559
Speaker 22: Like I couldn't believe seeing their donation depot in that

1637
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 22: old car wash, just to how well organized everything was,

1638
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:34,000
Speaker 22: and that they provided so much for the volunteers, and

1639
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,960
Speaker 22: they just the level of love and.

1640
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,439
Speaker 2: Compassion and was.

1641
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:42,439
Speaker 22: Yeah, it was an amazing opportunity to be part of,

1642
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 22: very humbling.

1643
01:30:43,760 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 2: I've been there since late the night before after visiting

1644
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 2: border crossings in California and Arizona and Jeff, one of

1645
01:30:49,439 --> 01:30:51,599
Speaker 2: the co owners a hotel, can you let me put

1646
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 2: up my truck in some desert behind his house. Now,

1647
01:30:54,720 --> 01:30:56,760
Speaker 2: I'm a person who enjoys sleeping outside, and I do

1648
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,680
Speaker 2: it as often as I can. I try and camp

1649
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:02,320
Speaker 2: police once a month, But that night I was cold,

1650
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,320
Speaker 2: even underneath my down blanket, and I couldn't help but

1651
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 2: think of how desperate it must have been to spend

1652
01:31:07,520 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 2: nearly a week out there with nothing but in my

1653
01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:13,080
Speaker 2: last base blanket and some thorny bushes to keep you warm.

1654
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 2: It's certainly not the welcome that one would expect from

1655
01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 2: the richest nation on Earth, which had three years to repair.

1656
01:31:18,360 --> 01:31:21,000
Speaker 2: For the day, Title forty two ended to get a

1657
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 2: bit of background on the town, I spoke to Natalie.

1658
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 10: So the previous owner bought it at an auction, and

1659
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 10: I don't think that the previous owner didn't realize how

1660
01:31:31,160 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 10: much she was getting, and he kind of just like

1661
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 10: neglected a bunch of it, you know. And then he

1662
01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 10: was older, and so he finally sold off the hotel.

1663
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 10: He thought he was just buying the hotel, but he

1664
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,320
Speaker 10: buying all the land as well. So they when they

1665
01:31:43,320 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 10: bought the hotel, they acquired all their land, and they're

1666
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 10: actually putting money into it and fixing and everything up,

1667
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:49,560
Speaker 10: which is really wonderful.

1668
01:31:50,040 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 2: The hotel in Lake and hot Spring really are wonderful.

1669
01:31:52,200 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 2: But the scene that had played out there on the

1670
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 2: eleventh of May, with anything but within a short period

1671
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 2: of time, more than a thousand people of all ages

1672
01:31:58,920 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 2: and nationalities will be held in the open desert and

1673
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,760
Speaker 2: left defend large for themselves. I let Natalie describe the

1674
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 2: space there in.

1675
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:10,960
Speaker 10: There's lots of cactuses everywhere, so there's environmental like a

1676
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 10: watch out where you're walking that it's hot. It's hot

1677
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,519
Speaker 10: in the day and really cold at night. Because it's

1678
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 10: the high desert, there can be gusts of wind that

1679
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:26,240
Speaker 10: can just take over, get dust in your eyes, your hair,

1680
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,879
Speaker 10: everything's just you're just filthy.

1681
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 26: I don't lack of food. I mean there's no resources.

1682
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 26: You're in the middle of nowhere.

1683
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,360
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of the volunteers, many of

1684
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 2: whom have been in the desert for me at week.

1685
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 2: It'd first been made aware of the impending humanitarian crisis

1686
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 2: late on Thursday night, but one of the people working

1687
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:43,640
Speaker 2: on the renovation of the Hot Springs Hotel got a

1688
01:32:43,680 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 2: call about it. Within a few hours. The hotel zonners

1689
01:32:46,479 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: and all this stuff running what became very nearly the

1690
01:32:49,040 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 2: only source of food, shelter, and water for more than

1691
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,920
Speaker 2: a thousand people trapped and held in the desert by CBP.

1692
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 2: I spoke to Sam, another volunteer, to get a sense

1693
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 2: of response. Now, Sam is a kind of guy who

1694
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 2: just looks like he's a home in the desert. His

1695
01:33:05,200 --> 01:33:07,719
Speaker 2: Wi brim hat, boots, and long cleeved shirt and pants

1696
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 2: told me he spent plenty of days under the baking

1697
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 2: sun out here, and his redness with an isoproble alcohol

1698
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 2: spray disinfect people's boots after walking in an area that

1699
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,040
Speaker 2: was likely covered in human shit told me he'd been

1700
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:21,439
Speaker 2: around one or two situations like this in the past.

1701
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:24,160
Speaker 24: I spent a great deal of my life as his

1702
01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 24: second career working for in developmental relief logistics in Southeast Asia,

1703
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:34,200
Speaker 24: mainly working with large age organizations, for example World Food Program,

1704
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 24: Doctors without Borders show unise many many there from their

1705
01:33:38,160 --> 01:33:38,719
Speaker 24: place things.

1706
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:41,040
Speaker 2: In the context of that kind of experience, it's easy

1707
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: to understand why people come to the United States. But

1708
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,360
Speaker 2: I asked Sam to put the situation here into perspective.

1709
01:33:47,400 --> 01:33:50,280
Speaker 2: For me, it's understandable that the folks came to the US,

1710
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:53,360
Speaker 2: but why to a tiny desert town of five hundred people.

1711
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 24: These people were radically unprepared for what they were going

1712
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 24: to go through because they were sold a bill of

1713
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,559
Speaker 24: goods by coyotes on the other side about what was

1714
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 24: going to happen to them, you understand. So they had

1715
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 24: really no idea what they were getting into at all,

1716
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 24: and so there was not anything in the way of

1717
01:34:12,760 --> 01:34:16,559
Speaker 24: life threatening situations for any of those people in any

1718
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:19,680
Speaker 24: meaningful way, a great deal of discomfort. It could have

1719
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 24: turned very badly if these people here had not stepped up,

1720
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 24: because the border patrol was completely overwhelmed, and so there

1721
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,920
Speaker 24: was never that bad of a situation here compared to

1722
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:34,160
Speaker 24: what I have seen in other places in the past.

1723
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 2: A sound pointed out the migrants were now gone, but

1724
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,559
Speaker 2: we were still surrounded by times of supplies. But at

1725
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,080
Speaker 2: the time there was no way of knowing the scope

1726
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:45,120
Speaker 2: or scale of the need. People reacted as best they could.

1727
01:34:45,840 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 24: Actually it was overkilled, but you had no way of

1728
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,599
Speaker 24: knowing right at the time. There's just no way to know.

1729
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 24: How do you know ahead of time? You always ask

1730
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:55,840
Speaker 24: for as much as you can get, because why would

1731
01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:58,479
Speaker 24: you not, I mean, you never know what. You don't

1732
01:34:58,479 --> 01:35:00,160
Speaker 24: know how many children with babies there are on the

1733
01:35:00,160 --> 01:35:02,280
Speaker 24: other side of the wall right now, might be zero,

1734
01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 24: might be five hundred.

1735
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 2: You have no idea, you know, before anyone knew how

1736
01:35:06,479 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: if this was going to end or really what even

1737
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,439
Speaker 2: was going on. Dozens of people across the county decided

1738
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: to help. One of them was Katie. Here she is

1739
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,200
Speaker 2: describing some of the volunteers she worked alongside.

1740
01:35:17,680 --> 01:35:21,720
Speaker 20: There was a hard hodgepodge of people and as volunteers

1741
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 20: and leading it were some of the owners of a

1742
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 20: hotel out there, and that was the main organizers. But

1743
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:37,559
Speaker 20: who showed up were people from the town, people that

1744
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 20: I knew and recognized. There were some really devout, like

1745
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:44,720
Speaker 20: they're twenty four hours a day, and then there was

1746
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:49,439
Speaker 20: some coming in and out. But I met people from

1747
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 20: all over the county and most of them answered the

1748
01:35:55,320 --> 01:35:58,559
Speaker 20: car through Instagram of the hotel.

1749
01:35:59,360 --> 01:36:02,360
Speaker 2: All those volunteers called their friends, who called their friends,

1750
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 2: who gradually coordinated response. Natalie first became aware of this,

1751
01:36:06,439 --> 01:36:09,599
Speaker 2: as many volunteers did, through an Instagram post by Melissa.

1752
01:36:09,680 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: Another were three co owners of the Combo Hotel. On

1753
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 2: Thursday night, just as title forty two was ending, Natalie

1754
01:36:15,280 --> 01:36:18,000
Speaker 2: saw the post and decided to help. At first, she

1755
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 2: wanted to leave right then at one am, as soon

1756
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:22,880
Speaker 2: as she'd seen the post, but after consulting her family,

1757
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,559
Speaker 2: she decided to make her own post. Asking for people

1758
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:28,959
Speaker 2: to bring supplies that were needed soon. She was overwhelmed

1759
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 2: by the response.

1760
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean immediately, even at one in the morning,

1761
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,240
Speaker 10: I was getting messages because I posted it. That's when

1762
01:36:35,240 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 10: I posted the story, I immediately got a messages from

1763
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,760
Speaker 10: front say I'll bring a blanket over.

1764
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 26: What's your address.

1765
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:48,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, everyone just kind of rallied and started bringing supplies over,

1766
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,800
Speaker 10: collecting money as well. Some friends started collecting money and

1767
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,320
Speaker 10: then bought stuff and brought loads of food and things

1768
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,080
Speaker 10: to my house.

1769
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 2: Her husband ferried the supply eyes to Hakomba, where they

1770
01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: were joined by their nations from all over the county

1771
01:37:03,960 --> 01:37:07,679
Speaker 2: in the old petrol station. Like Natalie, Katie also saw

1772
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,880
Speaker 2: a post and immediately felt compelled to help. She called

1773
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 2: a friend and some members of her family instead about

1774
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,400
Speaker 2: raising funds and buying supplies.

1775
01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:19,599
Speaker 20: So I met my friend at a cafe and in

1776
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 20: that in the meantime, and I don't know how much

1777
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:27,600
Speaker 20: of this is really important. So in the meantime, I

1778
01:37:27,800 --> 01:37:32,000
Speaker 20: text my mother and my two sisters who live on

1779
01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 20: the East coast, and just it was late at night

1780
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,040
Speaker 20: for them, and I just said I would love for

1781
01:37:39,200 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 20: you to send prayers, because that's something that I believe in.

1782
01:37:52,120 --> 01:38:01,000
Speaker 20: I believe in prayer or intention and thought reality, and

1783
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 20: some of it was just because I felt so touched,

1784
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:11,280
Speaker 20: like praying for the community that I love too. And

1785
01:38:14,880 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 20: the next thing I know, like my venmo was blowing

1786
01:38:18,280 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 20: up and there was one thousand dollars in my venmo

1787
01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:25,840
Speaker 20: sent from my family members. And so by the time

1788
01:38:25,880 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 20: my friend arrived, we were like, let's go and we

1789
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 20: filled our car with Amazingly, we found like organic, there's

1790
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 20: grocery outlet, right, so we found organic soup for you know,

1791
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:48,080
Speaker 20: dollars something a can, and we spent a few hundred dollars.

1792
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 20: And the next morning we met early and we stopped

1793
01:38:52,439 --> 01:38:54,599
Speaker 20: in El Cone on the way and we spent all

1794
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:57,400
Speaker 20: the rest on We went to three or four thrift

1795
01:38:57,400 --> 01:39:01,040
Speaker 20: stores and bought every blanket and hat and baby carrier.

1796
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:10,720
Speaker 20: Because we have both focused on motherhood in our careers.

1797
01:39:11,120 --> 01:39:13,000
Speaker 2: I asked people I spoke to about a week later

1798
01:39:13,040 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 2: how the experience had impacted them.

1799
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:21,679
Speaker 10: It was overwhelming, just the way the community really came

1800
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:23,759
Speaker 10: around and supported.

1801
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:27,120
Speaker 26: The people in Hukumba that were trying to help.

1802
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 10: You know, after we finished cleaning up, when we're back

1803
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 10: at the gas station, the Amazon driver was delivering, like

1804
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,840
Speaker 10: I think he delivered three hundred and fifty boxes and

1805
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:46,280
Speaker 10: so we had to open them up and sort them,

1806
01:39:46,320 --> 01:39:51,720
Speaker 10: and it was there was so much food. I think

1807
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:56,559
Speaker 10: that it was insane amount of food, and it was awesome.

1808
01:39:56,640 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 10: It was really cool just to see how many people

1809
01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 10: and donated.

1810
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,759
Speaker 2: I like some of the people I saw in Santa Cedro, Natalie, Katie,

1811
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:07,439
Speaker 2: Sam and Marissa are not part of an NGO or

1812
01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 2: a mutual aid collective. They're just people who wanted to help,

1813
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:14,280
Speaker 2: and that describes most of the people in Hucumber, although

1814
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:16,960
Speaker 2: some of them did have previous and regular volunteer experience

1815
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 2: with excellent groups like Border Kindness. I asked Katy to

1816
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: reflect on the mutual aid approach and the absence of massive,

1817
01:40:23,040 --> 01:40:26,600
Speaker 2: multimillion dollar organizations. Yeah, wasn't their n.

1818
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,679
Speaker 20: No, they weren't there. We were told that the Red

1819
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 20: Cross couldn't come unless Border Patrol called, and Border Patrol

1820
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 20: told us that they weren't allowed to call the Red Cross.

1821
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 8: Yeh, that's a pretty standard.

1822
01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:41,240
Speaker 2: The one institution that did show support to people in

1823
01:40:41,320 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 2: Hucumber was one that you might not expect given the

1824
01:40:43,560 --> 01:40:46,000
Speaker 2: support for this cruel immigration policy. By almost all the

1825
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:49,720
Speaker 2: Democrats in DC. But things are different when you can

1826
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 2: see the results of these policies with your own eyes.

1827
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 2: Perhaps that's why I didn't see a single elected official

1828
01:40:54,479 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 2: in my entire week at the border. But one person

1829
01:40:57,800 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: I missed who everyone mentioned was a lady who worked

1830
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 2: for California Senator Steve Pidia. I wouldn't name her as

1831
01:41:05,400 --> 01:41:07,760
Speaker 2: I don't have her permission, but hopefully one days, soume,

1832
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 2: we'll be able to interview her. I'll let Katie describe

1833
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:11,040
Speaker 2: the role this woman played.

1834
01:41:11,439 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 20: There was someone from Steve Padilla's team, and that's the

1835
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 20: woman I rode with, and she was incredible. Her brother

1836
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,719
Speaker 20: in law is the chef at the hotel, so I think,

1837
01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 20: I mean, she might have came anyway, but she came

1838
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:38,040
Speaker 20: faster and there was true connection. And she stood up

1839
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 20: to the border patrol and said, you know, said we're allowed.

1840
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:45,960
Speaker 20: We're here on behalf of this senator. So I mean

1841
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:50,960
Speaker 20: I saw some like had had like arguments about our

1842
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:55,519
Speaker 20: right to be there, and most of us didn't. Weren't

1843
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:58,160
Speaker 20: paying attention to that. We were paying attention to the

1844
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 20: people that we were, you know, around, and no one

1845
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:08,160
Speaker 20: that was out there. What didn't believe that we should

1846
01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:12,200
Speaker 20: be out there and that more help should be out there.

1847
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 2: Sadly, part of that familiarity with the system this woman

1848
01:42:16,640 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 2: brought to the team also meant a familiarity with the

1849
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:22,559
Speaker 2: cruel and arbitrary nature of it. Katie says that they

1850
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:23,880
Speaker 2: had to organize for that as well.

1851
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,400
Speaker 20: So my friend and I we ended up writing in

1852
01:42:28,439 --> 01:42:36,639
Speaker 20: her truck, so in Steve Padia's Senator Padia's assistant truck.

1853
01:42:36,840 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 20: So we had the opportunity to ask some questions that

1854
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:45,840
Speaker 20: probably everyone out there wanted to know, including the migrants,

1855
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 20: And it was like, what will happen in what's the

1856
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 20: process from here? And how do you know that these

1857
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 20: people are being tended to? And I literally heard her

1858
01:42:59,560 --> 01:43:03,759
Speaker 20: on the phone getting as many bodies on the ground

1859
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 20: to start going to those centers where they're being taken

1860
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:11,799
Speaker 20: to make sure that they were that we would follow

1861
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:19,800
Speaker 20: them through the entire process as best possible, monitoring their

1862
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:23,519
Speaker 20: well well cared for, that they were well cared for,

1863
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:29,960
Speaker 20: as well cared for as possible in a system and

1864
01:43:30,080 --> 01:43:37,479
Speaker 20: a process like that. Yeah, yeah, but she literally said

1865
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:42,480
Speaker 20: they're going to be busted off and putt in cages,

1866
01:43:43,240 --> 01:43:46,040
Speaker 20: and that they would do their best to make sure

1867
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 20: that that no one was split up and that everyone

1868
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:58,439
Speaker 20: was fed, showered, and they weren't allowed to bring anything

1869
01:43:58,479 --> 01:44:03,080
Speaker 20: with them, so a lot of the cleanup was all

1870
01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:10,559
Speaker 20: of the things that everyone donated that had to be

1871
01:44:10,640 --> 01:44:15,440
Speaker 20: left behind, including some of the stuffed animals.

1872
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 2: For all the volunteers I spoke to, the chance to

1873
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 2: be of service was empowering. Here's Natalie discussing that, Yeah.

1874
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:23,400
Speaker 10: I mean, well, like and so many times do you

1875
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:27,200
Speaker 10: like feel overwhelmed with like so much suffering in this world,

1876
01:44:27,240 --> 01:44:29,160
Speaker 10: and like what can one person do?

1877
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:30,240
Speaker 21: You know?

1878
01:44:30,640 --> 01:44:34,559
Speaker 10: And so it did feel good that to actually see

1879
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:37,000
Speaker 10: an immediate impact, like I'm doing this and this is

1880
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:41,200
Speaker 10: a result, because sometimes you can just get discouraged, you know,

1881
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 10: like we're just one person.

1882
01:44:42,640 --> 01:44:44,880
Speaker 26: What can we really do and can we really make

1883
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,880
Speaker 26: an impact?

1884
01:44:46,160 --> 01:44:49,879
Speaker 10: And just seeing that and being able to see directly

1885
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:53,960
Speaker 10: how that one person can impact, you know, can rally.

1886
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,559
Speaker 10: Like just seeing how my friends came together, you know,

1887
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:00,519
Speaker 10: when shopping, bought things, gathered money money.

1888
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 26: You know, my really good friend Sam, she went.

1889
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 10: To her local bar after she collected a bunch of money,

1890
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 10: went and dropped stuff supplies off at my house, she

1891
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:15,519
Speaker 10: was just down at her local bar and just chatting

1892
01:45:15,600 --> 01:45:17,880
Speaker 10: with them and like, oh, what did you do today,

1893
01:45:17,920 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 10: And so she told them, oh, I collected money and

1894
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:23,679
Speaker 10: I bought supplies and the people. She ended up collecting

1895
01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,040
Speaker 10: about two hundred more dollars at the bar from people

1896
01:45:26,360 --> 01:45:29,240
Speaker 10: hearing her story. And so then the next day she

1897
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,760
Speaker 10: went and bought more supplies and she actually ended up

1898
01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 10: driving them out herself. She ended up doing like three

1899
01:45:35,080 --> 01:45:38,280
Speaker 10: trips just from her own talking to people and collecting.

1900
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:41,800
Speaker 10: So just like the little impact that you know, everyone

1901
01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 10: just kind of coming together and making a difference.

1902
01:45:58,520 --> 01:46:08,519
Speaker 2: Santa Sidro, a pretty diverse range of San Diegan's came

1903
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:11,280
Speaker 2: to help. On the first night, I personally left at

1904
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:13,920
Speaker 2: about one in the morning, after spending almost two hours

1905
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,639
Speaker 2: trying to leave but needing to get charged phones back

1906
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,960
Speaker 2: to their owners by loudly in Spanish and French, then

1907
01:46:20,000 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 2: English describing the backgrounds on the phone or the color

1908
01:46:23,600 --> 01:46:24,240
Speaker 2: of their case.

1909
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:37,240
Speaker 27: How can we describe it?

1910
01:46:37,240 --> 01:46:39,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't a great system, and by the weekend, Caber

1911
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,840
Speaker 2: and others had seen that more help an organization was needed,

1912
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:46,639
Speaker 2: and they decided to plan a response. Here's cable describing

1913
01:46:46,640 --> 01:46:47,479
Speaker 2: how they prepared for.

1914
01:46:47,439 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 8: That are maybe I'll just grabbed some paying attention to

1915
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,360
Speaker 8: people I know who the grenade and what supplies they

1916
01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:05,120
Speaker 8: were saying was needed. A particular store near me has

1917
01:47:05,160 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 8: like a wall of travel size like the Giant Times,

1918
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,360
Speaker 8: where you can basically just scoop out one hundred deodorant,

1919
01:47:11,720 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 8: hands and to paste and things like that.

1920
01:47:13,960 --> 01:47:15,639
Speaker 2: CAPA met up with some other members of a local

1921
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,679
Speaker 2: mutual aid group. I'll make sure to include donation links

1922
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 2: for all the groups I've mentioned at the end of

1923
01:47:20,320 --> 01:47:22,320
Speaker 2: this series, so please make sure to listen right through

1924
01:47:22,320 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 2: to the end.

1925
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,320
Speaker 8: I met up with him and he had just received

1926
01:47:26,479 --> 01:47:30,840
Speaker 8: a bunch of donations through through mutually networks, so we

1927
01:47:30,840 --> 01:47:33,240
Speaker 8: were not even more of a travel size I got

1928
01:47:33,280 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 8: some truth hygiene kits and deodorant and and a bunch

1929
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:42,479
Speaker 8: of friends and papers because because the kids that are

1930
01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:48,720
Speaker 8: between the walls don't really have actually do unfortunately, so

1931
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:51,760
Speaker 8: so that those were those wereent really fast, and so

1932
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 8: we got a whole bunch of bags of all those

1933
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,479
Speaker 8: kinds of supplies, and then we dropped down on the

1934
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:57,160
Speaker 8: border from there.

1935
01:47:57,479 --> 01:48:01,200
Speaker 2: By the time they arrived, various organizations organized areas along

1936
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 2: the wall for different kinds of aid to be passed through.

1937
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 2: Everything from clothes to food to medical supplies and toilet

1938
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:09,519
Speaker 2: paper was piled up given out.

1939
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 8: They help donations and you know, organizing toilet paper, food,

1940
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:14,880
Speaker 8: everything like that, and people just come up to the

1941
01:48:14,920 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 8: wall and if their family needed something, they would just

1942
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 8: kind of pointing to it. Were asked us if we

1943
01:48:19,960 --> 01:48:21,320
Speaker 8: were a bit there, you know, if there was a

1944
01:48:21,360 --> 01:48:24,439
Speaker 8: common language there. So yeah, we just kind of you know,

1945
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:29,040
Speaker 8: pay things as people needed them. I know that I

1946
01:48:29,080 --> 01:48:31,200
Speaker 8: helped him out some of the friends and pads of

1947
01:48:31,240 --> 01:48:33,760
Speaker 8: paper and those were those were a big hit. And

1948
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 8: tons of kids all came running over from the whole

1949
01:48:37,439 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 8: all the parts of the camp when they heard that

1950
01:48:39,040 --> 01:48:42,760
Speaker 8: there was there were toys being given out, so that

1951
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,000
Speaker 8: was it was. It was heartbreaking, but it was also

1952
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 8: you know, it made me smile to.

1953
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 2: See them smile in this male Because of the need

1954
01:48:51,280 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 2: to use c BP one and of course they need

1955
01:48:53,160 --> 01:48:55,600
Speaker 2: to stay in touch with families back home, there was

1956
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:59,799
Speaker 2: a constant and overwhelming demand for phone charging. News reporters

1957
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:02,439
Speaker 2: took phones back to charge in their cars. Some people

1958
01:49:02,479 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 2: bought charge bricks and power strips, and mutual aid groups

1959
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 2: wrote names on the back of the phones using painter's

1960
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:11,720
Speaker 2: tape and sharpie so they wouldn't get separated from their owners.

1961
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:14,519
Speaker 2: But the second day it was a better system. But

1962
01:49:14,680 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 2: on the first day it was chaos. I'll let Kber,

1963
01:49:17,240 --> 01:49:19,880
Speaker 2: who spent a whole day charging phones described the system

1964
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:22,160
Speaker 2: that volunteers came up with to mitigate that chaos a

1965
01:49:22,160 --> 01:49:22,599
Speaker 2: little bit.

1966
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:26,680
Speaker 8: And obviously they couldn't charge their phones if they're just

1967
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:31,519
Speaker 8: in this kind of desert gap between between these walls

1968
01:49:31,560 --> 01:49:35,639
Speaker 8: that doesn't have any kind of minimies or anything. So

1969
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:39,800
Speaker 8: we had a system where they would pass the phone through,

1970
01:49:39,960 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 8: and we had we would we would put a piece

1971
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:46,360
Speaker 8: of tape on it with their name and give their

1972
01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 8: a piece of tape with their name the same name,

1973
01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:51,000
Speaker 8: and then they would give us that if they came

1974
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,479
Speaker 8: back to give us the tape back, and we would

1975
01:49:53,560 --> 01:49:57,080
Speaker 8: match their names and in the phone, and and that

1976
01:49:57,360 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 8: was it worked well enough. I mean, it was still

1977
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:05,000
Speaker 8: extraordinarily chaotic process. I mean we had we always had

1978
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 8: at least one hundred phones on our side of the

1979
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:12,120
Speaker 8: wallet any given time, and and some people had, you know,

1980
01:50:12,160 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 8: some people like chargers, some people didn't. Some people had

1981
01:50:14,240 --> 01:50:19,080
Speaker 8: Android or Samsung or all the iPhones, and some people

1982
01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 8: had well adaptors and some people didn't have the wallet

1983
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:24,320
Speaker 8: ESA adapters, so we kind of had to every phone

1984
01:50:24,320 --> 01:50:26,160
Speaker 8: that came through was we had to find a way

1985
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:29,439
Speaker 8: to get it, you know, basically chained into the set

1986
01:50:29,479 --> 01:50:31,320
Speaker 8: of generators that we had, which was do we have

1987
01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:33,679
Speaker 8: power strips? Do we have to write cables and and

1988
01:50:33,680 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 8: and we have space on those cables and and I

1989
01:50:36,800 --> 01:50:38,839
Speaker 8: think it was it was a bit of a puzzle

1990
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,200
Speaker 8: the whole time. The only part of it that really

1991
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:46,080
Speaker 8: overwhelmed me was we did overload. Someone brought a bunch

1992
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 8: of uh USBC power strips and we blew out one

1993
01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 8: of them, and so there was now eight phones attached

1994
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 8: to it that I had to find new spaces for.

1995
01:50:58,760 --> 01:51:02,240
Speaker 8: And I was just like as long as I was

1996
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:16,559
Speaker 8: just frustrated by the situation. In addition affair, I think

1997
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 8: whatever happened to.

1998
01:51:18,640 --> 01:51:21,680
Speaker 2: It, it was chaos, but it was a good nature chaos.

1999
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,679
Speaker 2: Over several days that migrants were attained in the open

2000
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:27,599
Speaker 2: with no shelter and inadequate sanitation, just about two miles

2001
01:51:27,600 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 2: from the discount mall where you can buy cheap ralpherend shirts.

2002
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:33,960
Speaker 2: If that's your jam. People showed up in ever increasing numbers.

2003
01:51:34,680 --> 01:51:38,120
Speaker 2: The American Friends Service Committee helped organize volunteers into groups

2004
01:51:38,200 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 2: to distribute food, package up wet white snacks, medicines, give

2005
01:51:42,320 --> 01:51:45,240
Speaker 2: out tarps, and do just about anything else that they

2006
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 2: could or anything else that they could fit into ziploc

2007
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 2: bags that could be passed through gaps in the wall.

2008
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:50,040
Speaker 4: At least.

2009
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,080
Speaker 2: People who had been immigrants themselves or who were the

2010
01:51:53,160 --> 01:51:57,720
Speaker 2: children of immigrants were notably numerous among the volunteers. I

2011
01:51:57,760 --> 01:51:58,879
Speaker 2: spoke to one of them.

2012
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 18: My name is Launchai.

2013
01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:05,439
Speaker 28: I'm part of Asian Soliday Collective grass with organization here

2014
01:52:05,479 --> 01:52:06,480
Speaker 28: in San Diego.

2015
01:52:07,120 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 18: I've been I've been coming over here since yesterday.

2016
01:52:09,880 --> 01:52:12,400
Speaker 28: I came here around five six yesterday, and then I

2017
01:52:12,439 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 28: came back through here this morning and been here since.

2018
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,559
Speaker 28: I got home at twelve last night and woke up,

2019
01:52:17,640 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 28: dropped my kid off, and came right back with more supplies.

2020
01:52:20,360 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 28: I've been reaching out to family, friends and community to

2021
01:52:23,760 --> 01:52:25,760
Speaker 28: help donate supplies and things like.

2022
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:27,519
Speaker 18: That, food, whatever, whatever they may have.

2023
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:32,320
Speaker 28: And I've pretty much been driving around city and collecting

2024
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 28: from folks that can't make it so I could bring

2025
01:52:34,560 --> 01:52:35,400
Speaker 28: it down here myself.

2026
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:37,040
Speaker 18: So that's what I've been.

2027
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,639
Speaker 2: Doing LUNCHA explained to me why it was so important

2028
01:52:39,640 --> 01:52:41,600
Speaker 2: to show up my community.

2029
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 28: I'm pretty sure they they they're sympathetic to this because

2030
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:49,920
Speaker 28: I'm coming from I'm a first generation Camboden American here

2031
01:52:49,960 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 28: in the US, and when my parents and my family

2032
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:58,000
Speaker 28: fled their country, they went through this as well. So

2033
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,960
Speaker 28: somebody somewhere came man provided to supports, provided to aid

2034
01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:04,559
Speaker 28: the donations for them to be able to to make

2035
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,840
Speaker 28: it to America to crossover, and and able to to

2036
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:11,000
Speaker 28: to provide out here for for me growing up out here.

2037
01:53:11,160 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 29: You know.

2038
01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:14,200
Speaker 18: So it's just I just sympathize with it, with the

2039
01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:15,799
Speaker 18: whole thing. I mean, I mean.

2040
01:53:15,640 --> 01:53:18,919
Speaker 28: Everybody should should should feel the same way because somewhere

2041
01:53:18,920 --> 01:53:22,040
Speaker 28: down the line, our families went through similar situations. If

2042
01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 28: you're not an indigenous, then then then your family somewhere

2043
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:26,840
Speaker 28: down down to history went through the same thing.

2044
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:28,800
Speaker 18: So you know that everybody should have a heart for

2045
01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 18: this and be able.

2046
01:53:29,360 --> 01:53:31,880
Speaker 28: To come down here and and and and donate or

2047
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,120
Speaker 28: donate their time or supplies whatever the case may be.

2048
01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:35,120
Speaker 18: You don't come out in help.

2049
01:53:35,640 --> 01:53:38,879
Speaker 2: He also explained why he feels it's important to encourage

2050
01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,000
Speaker 2: empathy for refugees.

2051
01:53:40,520 --> 01:53:42,160
Speaker 28: Well, it's it's you have to you have to, you

2052
01:53:42,200 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 28: have to be keep in mind, there's there's this families

2053
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,920
Speaker 28: out here, there's this young children, there's babies. I mean,

2054
01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:49,640
Speaker 28: it takes a lot for for for a mother to

2055
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,120
Speaker 28: pick up her infant child and to to leave where

2056
01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:52,920
Speaker 28: she's coming from.

2057
01:53:53,080 --> 01:53:55,240
Speaker 18: So that just says a lot about where.

2058
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 28: What's going on where she's coming for for her to

2059
01:53:56,920 --> 01:53:59,479
Speaker 28: to to trek and to go through this, to to

2060
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:00,920
Speaker 28: sit out here and cold and stuff.

2061
01:54:00,920 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 18: Because if she would rather endure her endure.

2062
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 28: This and take the risk and the chances that means

2063
01:54:06,960 --> 01:54:09,840
Speaker 28: where she's coming from is not as you know, she's

2064
01:54:09,880 --> 01:54:10,880
Speaker 28: wanted to take that risk.

2065
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Later that night, I saw an Afghan family come to

2066
01:54:14,080 --> 01:54:17,200
Speaker 2: help the other Afghan families. Their kids talk to other

2067
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 2: Afghan kids separated by the border war. They passed crayons

2068
01:54:21,200 --> 01:54:24,040
Speaker 2: through the wall and coloring books, and the little daughter

2069
01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 2: asked her dad if she could give her watch to

2070
01:54:25,840 --> 01:54:28,200
Speaker 2: the Afghan girl being held in the camp. Her dad said,

2071
01:54:28,200 --> 01:54:31,839
Speaker 2: of course, I don't record or photograph people's children, certainly

2072
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 2: not without asking, And I wasn't about to interrupt them,

2073
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:37,200
Speaker 2: but it was a very sweet moment. The father of

2074
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:39,600
Speaker 2: the family had worked in the Army Corps of Engineers.

2075
01:54:40,080 --> 01:54:42,800
Speaker 2: He'd been to the border before to build this section

2076
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 2: of the wall. I didn't really need to ask him

2077
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:47,680
Speaker 2: how it felt to see folks stuck behind it, but

2078
01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 2: it said a lot that he and his family had

2079
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:52,880
Speaker 2: taken the time to drive down, buy bags and supplies,

2080
01:54:53,240 --> 01:54:54,920
Speaker 2: and then come face to face with the people who

2081
01:54:54,960 --> 01:54:58,400
Speaker 2: needed them and hand them out. Like dozens of other folks,

2082
01:54:58,600 --> 01:55:00,960
Speaker 2: they tried to pass whatever they could to little gaps

2083
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,839
Speaker 2: in the wall to make someone's day a little bit brighter.

2084
01:55:04,720 --> 01:55:07,120
Speaker 2: Another volunteer who we heard from yesterday came from a

2085
01:55:07,160 --> 01:55:10,600
Speaker 2: local group called Pana. Hermira had been at the wall

2086
01:55:10,640 --> 01:55:12,280
Speaker 2: since five in the morning, and it was getting on

2087
01:55:12,280 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 2: for five pm when we spoke. I normally ask people

2088
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,560
Speaker 2: what they ate for breakfast, just to tune in the

2089
01:55:16,640 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 2: volume levels on my recorder a bit, but I'm going

2090
01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:20,600
Speaker 2: to include it this time, just so you can see

2091
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 2: how long her day had been and how hard she'd

2092
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:22,600
Speaker 2: been working.

2093
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,600
Speaker 6: Okay, do you know what do you want me to say?

2094
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:26,160
Speaker 4: So that good?

2095
01:55:26,240 --> 01:55:27,480
Speaker 3: I mean, we have a breakfast vegan.

2096
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 6: I don't remember anymore French shast frend shosts. But my

2097
01:55:32,040 --> 01:55:34,560
Speaker 6: name is Harmaira Usafi, and I'm with a Partnership for

2098
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 6: the Advancement of New Americans PANA, or, an organization in

2099
01:55:38,160 --> 01:55:41,720
Speaker 6: San Diego that fights for the full incusion of refugees

2100
01:55:42,160 --> 01:55:45,680
Speaker 6: and those who come from refugee producing countries.

2101
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:48,800
Speaker 2: We spoke about the emergency that had kept her here

2102
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:49,200
Speaker 2: all day.

2103
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:52,160
Speaker 6: So in terms of this morning, I mean I was,

2104
01:55:52,240 --> 01:55:55,240
Speaker 6: I was, you know, very concerned because there was an

2105
01:55:55,320 --> 01:56:00,680
Speaker 6: asylum seeker who had an emergency and was rushed out

2106
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:03,040
Speaker 6: of this place. Where now, like for example, where we

2107
01:56:03,080 --> 01:56:06,960
Speaker 6: are at right now is people who are being detained

2108
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 6: and the most inhumane way possible. This is going against

2109
01:56:10,840 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 6: CBP's own protocols and policies as to how they're being

2110
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 6: detained with. No they're not giving them food, they're not

2111
01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 6: giving them bathrooms, they're not giving them basic basic things

2112
01:56:21,200 --> 01:56:23,160
Speaker 6: that they need to survive. And so that's why the

2113
01:56:23,160 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 6: community is out here today to do that.

2114
01:56:30,600 --> 01:56:33,400
Speaker 2: Sadly, not everyone who showed up at the makeshift detention

2115
01:56:33,480 --> 01:56:37,360
Speaker 2: facility were showing up in solidarity. Local anti migrant activists

2116
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,920
Speaker 2: and blogger Roger Ogden showed up. Now Ogden might be

2117
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,200
Speaker 2: familiar to some listeners due to his attempts to host

2118
01:56:42,280 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 2: he called a Patriot picnic and his advocacy for the

2119
01:56:45,040 --> 01:56:49,040
Speaker 2: removal of the historic murals in Chicano Park. Ogden organized

2120
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,480
Speaker 2: gatherings in the park in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen,

2121
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:54,560
Speaker 2: and they resulted in a huge and overwhelming community response

2122
01:56:54,640 --> 01:56:58,040
Speaker 2: to defend the park, and this time Olgden decided to

2123
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 2: keep to himself, but Natalie ran into some people who

2124
01:57:01,840 --> 01:57:03,680
Speaker 2: weren't quite as shy about their opinions.

2125
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:06,880
Speaker 26: You know, a lot of the people in the community.

2126
01:57:06,920 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 10: Are you know, lower income, and you know, they are

2127
01:57:10,800 --> 01:57:14,560
Speaker 10: struggling in their own struggle on their and so I know,

2128
01:57:16,880 --> 01:57:19,720
Speaker 10: you know, maybe I don't know it like for those people,

2129
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 10: I don't know, like, yeah, it's hard, I don't know.

2130
01:57:27,760 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 10: I mean, towards the end, like when I was walking

2131
01:57:30,040 --> 01:57:33,240
Speaker 10: to my car, this man, this man in a car

2132
01:57:33,320 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 10: like pulled up and he's like, excuse me, what's going

2133
01:57:35,320 --> 01:57:37,440
Speaker 10: on over there? And I was like, Oh, we're gathering

2134
01:57:37,480 --> 01:57:41,360
Speaker 10: you know, supplies for the asylum seekers. And then I

2135
01:57:41,800 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 10: you know, like if you're from here, you kind of

2136
01:57:43,840 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 10: if you're in hookum, but you kind of already knew

2137
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:48,320
Speaker 10: what was going on. And so him asking me that,

2138
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,440
Speaker 10: I was kind of like mm, and then he just

2139
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 10: started laying into I've had illegals, you know, have broken

2140
01:57:55,560 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 10: into my house a few times. Why are you supporting illegals?

2141
01:57:58,280 --> 01:58:01,480
Speaker 10: And I'm like, we're trying to let like make sure

2142
01:58:01,480 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 10: that people don't die, and he just kept going off

2143
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,000
Speaker 10: on me, and so he, you know, his the whole

2144
01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 10: all the talking points that people have about not allowing

2145
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:17,880
Speaker 10: people to seek asylum here, and so.

2146
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 26: I just walked away.

2147
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:21,960
Speaker 2: Maurica didn't run into the same kind of vocal opposition,

2148
01:58:22,160 --> 01:58:25,160
Speaker 2: but she said in her conversations and attempts to process

2149
01:58:25,160 --> 01:58:27,680
Speaker 2: everything she'd seen, she ran into some of the sort

2150
01:58:27,680 --> 01:58:29,960
Speaker 2: of need yate responses. So people can only really make

2151
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 2: about immigration when they haven't looked the cruelty that they're

2152
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Speaker 2: advocating for in the face.

2153
01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 22: It took me a little while to kind of work

2154
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:41,480
Speaker 22: through just how I felt about it on an emotional,

2155
01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:48,200
Speaker 22: maybe a spiritual level. I you know, I spoke with

2156
01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:53,880
Speaker 22: family and friends about it, about my experience, and and

2157
01:58:54,040 --> 01:58:58,600
Speaker 22: it's it's difficult to I found it difficult to explain

2158
01:58:59,080 --> 01:59:04,800
Speaker 22: my experience because I don't know that somebody can really

2159
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:07,480
Speaker 22: truly understand that unless they've actually been out there and

2160
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:13,800
Speaker 22: done it themselves, because the arguments or or they're kind of.

2161
01:59:15,760 --> 01:59:17,680
Speaker 7: Debate, so to speak.

2162
01:59:17,720 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 22: What they would come back at me with when I

2163
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:25,360
Speaker 22: was sharing that is, but we don't have enough food

2164
01:59:25,640 --> 01:59:28,560
Speaker 22: or housing to be able to support this that many

2165
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:31,760
Speaker 22: people coming in, And I'm like, but we just had

2166
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:35,360
Speaker 22: so many people and so much money put out there

2167
01:59:35,440 --> 01:59:38,080
Speaker 22: to help in a very short amount of time. Look

2168
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:41,400
Speaker 22: how many donations were donated, how much money was contributed

2169
01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:43,480
Speaker 22: in a short amount of time from not that many people.

2170
01:59:43,520 --> 01:59:46,600
Speaker 22: I'm like, obviously we do have the money. Obviously we

2171
01:59:46,680 --> 01:59:51,840
Speaker 22: do have the food. So where's the where's the breakdown? Like,

2172
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 22: is it our system that just doesn't allow for that happened?

2173
01:59:55,280 --> 01:59:57,080
Speaker 22: I don't know, And that that's where I like, I

2174
01:59:57,120 --> 01:59:59,040
Speaker 22: don't I don't understand it enough.

2175
01:59:59,120 --> 01:59:59,800
Speaker 7: But I feel like.

2176
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:04,840
Speaker 22: It just made me realize that I don't know that

2177
02:00:05,120 --> 02:00:09,360
Speaker 22: anybody that I spoke to afterward really understands it enough,

2178
02:00:09,400 --> 02:00:13,800
Speaker 22: either because their arguments or they're a defense and what

2179
02:00:13,840 --> 02:00:17,000
Speaker 22: they tried to share on the opposite side of me

2180
02:00:17,160 --> 02:00:19,840
Speaker 22: going out there and supporting just felt like it was

2181
02:00:24,680 --> 02:00:27,160
Speaker 22: just something to say, you know, and like what they

2182
02:00:27,240 --> 02:00:31,120
Speaker 22: what they hear from the general media out there, and

2183
02:00:31,360 --> 02:00:34,920
Speaker 22: they also don't really they can't quite grasp it, so

2184
02:00:34,960 --> 02:00:36,960
Speaker 22: they're just kind of throwing something out there, I guess

2185
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:38,560
Speaker 22: is what it what it felt like.

2186
02:00:39,280 --> 02:00:42,240
Speaker 2: Kaiba also ran into some less in charitable San Diegans,

2187
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:43,600
Speaker 2: this time down in sant Asedra.

2188
02:00:44,320 --> 02:00:47,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, so, I guess the first part is why they

2189
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 8: might have or why they might have found us there,

2190
02:00:50,560 --> 02:00:56,960
Speaker 8: which is theres a local news organization SANE, which is

2191
02:00:58,360 --> 02:01:01,600
Speaker 8: kind of I would describe as ayal equivalent of something

2192
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:03,680
Speaker 8: like one American News, which is really unfortunate because we

2193
02:01:03,720 --> 02:01:09,120
Speaker 8: already have more American news here. But they are are

2194
02:01:09,960 --> 02:01:15,760
Speaker 8: pretty well known for kind of a lot of like misinformation,

2195
02:01:16,840 --> 02:01:22,280
Speaker 8: kind of scare mongering about and has people, immigrants, vaccines

2196
02:01:22,320 --> 02:01:24,560
Speaker 8: and and all that sort of sort of thing, but

2197
02:01:24,640 --> 02:01:26,840
Speaker 8: with kind of a local news sort of aesthetic to it.

2198
02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:29,280
Speaker 8: And they were, as far as I could tell, they

2199
02:01:29,280 --> 02:01:32,080
Speaker 8: were really the only identify the media that were there

2200
02:01:32,520 --> 02:01:35,640
Speaker 8: throughout the day. I read articles eventually made me realize

2201
02:01:35,680 --> 02:01:40,640
Speaker 8: there were other reporters there, but they were identifying themselves

2202
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:43,200
Speaker 8: the way that has I was, but they had signed

2203
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:46,800
Speaker 8: was one cameraman just shooting the rule. I guess and

2204
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:48,640
Speaker 8: he was walking to all the different parts of the

2205
02:01:48,640 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 8: wall and like all the different sort of stations for

2206
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:54,480
Speaker 8: aid and like trying to really trying to get as

2207
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,520
Speaker 8: many faces as possible. You could kind of tell that

2208
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 8: that's like what he was doing. Every one was around

2209
02:02:01,520 --> 02:02:03,600
Speaker 8: I was, I was kind of oriented, and most of

2210
02:02:03,640 --> 02:02:07,400
Speaker 8: them with kind of their backband sort of analysts between people,

2211
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:10,680
Speaker 8: and you know, when they saw the players trap, they're

2212
02:02:10,760 --> 02:02:14,120
Speaker 8: like a pappoints their masking, you know, and killing them

2213
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:18,839
Speaker 8: in so where and I am don't you know, slightly

2214
02:02:19,000 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 8: identifying logo on my struct shirt which I take over

2215
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:27,480
Speaker 8: so that you know that image wouldn't show up.

2216
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:28,320
Speaker 26: Now.

2217
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 2: K us I have drifted further and further right since

2218
02:02:31,040 --> 02:02:35,360
Speaker 2: twenty twenty. Along with their relatively miniscule viewership. These days,

2219
02:02:35,400 --> 02:02:37,879
Speaker 2: they engage in fake news culture war stuff, like repeating

2220
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,840
Speaker 2: the recent false accusations that Target was making tuckable swimming

2221
02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:44,320
Speaker 2: costumes for kids, or labeling everyone in the asylum process

2222
02:02:44,320 --> 02:02:48,280
Speaker 2: illegal immigrants. It's sadly pretty standard for writing news organizations now.

2223
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:50,960
Speaker 2: Kaiba thinks that some of the people who saw footage

2224
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,480
Speaker 2: on k USI, or perhaps found the location posted on

2225
02:02:53,600 --> 02:02:56,000
Speaker 2: Ogden's blog came down to the border.

2226
02:02:56,320 --> 02:03:00,120
Speaker 8: That's that's the one short in to see people know

2227
02:03:01,520 --> 02:03:05,520
Speaker 8: kind of go buy and and and we could tell

2228
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:08,160
Speaker 8: that they weren't volunteers because like pop when people like playing,

2229
02:03:08,200 --> 02:03:10,840
Speaker 8: people who weren't even necessarily vounteer would are buy and

2230
02:03:10,840 --> 02:03:12,280
Speaker 8: say like hey, I just heard out going on. I

2231
02:03:12,280 --> 02:03:14,240
Speaker 8: brought a piece of water, and and they bring up

2232
02:03:14,240 --> 02:03:16,600
Speaker 8: the water and then they drive away. But the people

2233
02:03:16,640 --> 02:03:18,760
Speaker 8: who are doing who were like cute where I think,

2234
02:03:18,840 --> 02:03:20,600
Speaker 8: you know, kind of do some kind of intimidation where

2235
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:24,240
Speaker 8: you know, they wouldn't approach directly. They would just kind

2236
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:28,880
Speaker 8: of get out of their exceptionally large entivies and and

2237
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:32,560
Speaker 8: just kind of just kind of watch, and they would

2238
02:03:32,640 --> 02:03:34,120
Speaker 8: kind of, you know, get a little bit closer at

2239
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:36,600
Speaker 8: a time, and then you know a little bit closer

2240
02:03:37,880 --> 02:03:39,840
Speaker 8: and kind of whispered to each other and you know,

2241
02:03:40,000 --> 02:03:41,880
Speaker 8: point at things, and you know it's just kind of

2242
02:03:42,040 --> 02:03:44,760
Speaker 8: they were just watching, and you know, they got close

2243
02:03:44,840 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 8: enough that I could read their shirts and and the

2244
02:03:47,600 --> 02:03:52,280
Speaker 8: shirts had a slogan that's associated with a Christian nationalism slogan.

2245
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:55,040
Speaker 8: So as this whole family is kind of kind of

2246
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:59,000
Speaker 8: sad that the kids would wear the shirts too, and

2247
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:02,920
Speaker 8: and so I kind of, yeah, I figured out that

2248
02:04:03,000 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 8: that's what was going on. And I never talked to them.

2249
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:08,240
Speaker 8: I didn't approach them, but I stood when I was,

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Speaker 8: you know, seeing they closer with this or I kind

2251
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Speaker 8: of positioned myself in between the rest of the volunteers and

2252
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:17,880
Speaker 8: in this group, and and just kind of, you know,

2253
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:21,120
Speaker 8: did never really stare at them, just kind of looked

2254
02:04:21,120 --> 02:04:23,560
Speaker 8: at them and and just made it clear with my

2255
02:04:23,600 --> 02:04:26,640
Speaker 8: body language that I, like I knew what they were doing,

2256
02:04:26,640 --> 02:04:28,280
Speaker 8: like they weren't you know, they weren't doing any kind

2257
02:04:28,280 --> 02:04:31,040
Speaker 8: of secret agent thing or whatever, like they were being

2258
02:04:31,120 --> 02:04:34,240
Speaker 8: really really obvious. And and I just you know, stood

2259
02:04:34,520 --> 02:04:37,000
Speaker 8: and positioned myself in a way that dicated that you know,

2260
02:04:37,040 --> 02:04:38,440
Speaker 8: I know what you're doing, and you're not going to

2261
02:04:38,440 --> 02:04:41,520
Speaker 8: get close. You're not going to interfere with you know,

2262
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:43,080
Speaker 8: what we're doing here. You're not going to contact to

2263
02:04:43,120 --> 02:04:46,040
Speaker 8: anyone or you trill anyone or like what everyone did.

2264
02:04:47,120 --> 02:04:50,680
Speaker 8: And eventually one of the people who is either volunteer

2265
02:04:50,840 --> 02:04:52,800
Speaker 8: or work for like one of the mngos contesting tell

2266
02:04:52,840 --> 02:04:55,600
Speaker 8: there was something going on. So Sho went over and

2267
02:04:56,040 --> 02:04:58,440
Speaker 8: had a conversation with them that I could hear and

2268
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,400
Speaker 8: eventually they decided to leave, and I think she was

2269
02:05:02,440 --> 02:05:04,560
Speaker 8: just kind of trying to be diplomatic, but just sort

2270
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,520
Speaker 8: of like asked them if they wanted to help and

2271
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:11,240
Speaker 8: if they don't want to help, you, yeah, somewhere else,

2272
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:17,280
Speaker 8: I suppose. And it was I mean, the sort of

2273
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:21,879
Speaker 8: one Amazon prior to people that was that they apparently

2274
02:05:22,720 --> 02:05:26,120
Speaker 8: complained to this person about me because they said that

2275
02:05:27,240 --> 02:05:30,000
Speaker 8: I had been watching them and I was I was

2276
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:34,600
Speaker 8: racially profiling them because they were white. And I realized

2277
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:36,520
Speaker 8: now that this is an around this interview, but just

2278
02:05:36,560 --> 02:05:39,320
Speaker 8: for the listeners, I am very very white myself.

2279
02:05:39,960 --> 02:05:42,880
Speaker 2: I think it's important when we discuss volunteering to honor

2280
02:05:42,920 --> 02:05:46,440
Speaker 2: how hard this kind of experience could be on people. Obviously,

2281
02:05:46,520 --> 02:05:49,120
Speaker 2: the trauma associated with seeing people brutalized by the state

2282
02:05:49,120 --> 02:05:51,240
Speaker 2: and capital is not the same as being brutalized by

2283
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,400
Speaker 2: state and capital yourself. But that doesn't mean it's easy.

2284
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:57,720
Speaker 2: I asked Natalie to reflect a little on children's toys

2285
02:05:57,720 --> 02:05:59,480
Speaker 2: we found in the shelter when we were cleaning up

2286
02:05:59,520 --> 02:06:00,600
Speaker 2: the camp, like.

2287
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:02,680
Speaker 10: As a mom, like I have my own children, and

2288
02:06:02,720 --> 02:06:06,720
Speaker 10: it just really it was emotional. It's like it's just

2289
02:06:08,400 --> 02:06:11,400
Speaker 10: like I'm like, who's who? What child was playing with this?

2290
02:06:12,160 --> 02:06:15,480
Speaker 10: You know here in this space, and you know that

2291
02:06:15,560 --> 02:06:19,440
Speaker 10: no child should be ever in, you know, an encampment

2292
02:06:19,560 --> 02:06:23,240
Speaker 10: like that or it just no one should be living outside,

2293
02:06:23,480 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 10: no one should be doing that. But also it's like

2294
02:06:26,040 --> 02:06:28,680
Speaker 10: kind of like the humanity in a way like that.

2295
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:32,360
Speaker 10: You know, even a child's going to play wherever child's

2296
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,440
Speaker 10: going to play, and like that little toy of little

2297
02:06:36,200 --> 02:06:39,600
Speaker 10: hopefully it brought that kid some joy in that moment,

2298
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:41,760
Speaker 10: you know, if it was there a little piece of

2299
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:45,320
Speaker 10: home or someone gave it to him or what, you know,

2300
02:06:46,640 --> 02:06:49,640
Speaker 10: it was Yeah, the reality, it was like it was

2301
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:51,760
Speaker 10: like a person, you know, like a little artifact of

2302
02:06:51,800 --> 02:06:53,040
Speaker 10: someone who was actually there.

2303
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:55,680
Speaker 26: You know, like it was a little more tangible than

2304
02:06:56,080 --> 02:06:58,520
Speaker 26: you know, a sock. You know, that's not that's not

2305
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,200
Speaker 26: I'm not the you know who wore that sock. But

2306
02:07:00,600 --> 02:07:03,760
Speaker 26: think of who who was playing with that joy? You know?

2307
02:07:04,000 --> 02:07:05,800
Speaker 26: Was it a little boy a little girl? At hold?

2308
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:08,680
Speaker 26: Were they did they bring up home? Are they missing it?

2309
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:11,160
Speaker 26: When they? When I saw they have that, she needed

2310
02:07:11,160 --> 02:07:12,080
Speaker 26: people to clean up.

2311
02:07:12,600 --> 02:07:15,600
Speaker 10: It was like Okay, I took a day off of

2312
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:21,400
Speaker 10: work and went out there and just felt overwhelming almost.

2313
02:07:21,600 --> 02:07:24,080
Speaker 10: I mean, just one day of me working out there

2314
02:07:25,000 --> 02:07:28,320
Speaker 10: was really emotional. I can't imagine how you know, Melissa

2315
02:07:28,320 --> 02:07:29,880
Speaker 10: and all the people that were on the ground just

2316
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:32,600
Speaker 10: dealing with it. I know they're just struggling a little

2317
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:37,000
Speaker 10: bit and just processing it all has been really hard,

2318
02:07:37,480 --> 02:07:42,000
Speaker 10: you know, really hard. It's just just just how how

2319
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:44,520
Speaker 10: privileged we are. You know, like no one leaves their

2320
02:07:44,520 --> 02:07:47,800
Speaker 10: country because they want to. They leave because they have to,

2321
02:07:48,960 --> 02:07:51,600
Speaker 10: but they feel like they have to. And you know,

2322
02:07:52,240 --> 02:07:57,560
Speaker 10: it's i mean, just respecting and honoring and understanding the

2323
02:07:57,560 --> 02:07:58,400
Speaker 10: privilege that you're.

2324
02:07:58,280 --> 02:08:03,800
Speaker 26: In and not taking for granted because it's very easy too.

2325
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:07,839
Speaker 2: Both Katie Marisa said they don't really identify as political

2326
02:08:07,840 --> 02:08:11,440
Speaker 2: and that they wanted to be there as people. Sometimes

2327
02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:15,240
Speaker 2: often politics can become a complicated game of numbers and statistics,

2328
02:08:15,640 --> 02:08:17,480
Speaker 2: but it's important to remember that what this is really

2329
02:08:17,520 --> 02:08:19,760
Speaker 2: about is organizing in such a way that we can

2330
02:08:19,800 --> 02:08:22,360
Speaker 2: take care of one another, and that the most important

2331
02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,960
Speaker 2: politics of war is the politics of feeding hungry people

2332
02:08:25,000 --> 02:08:29,040
Speaker 2: and maybe bringing a sad child of stuffed animal. Here's

2333
02:08:29,120 --> 02:08:30,800
Speaker 2: Katie talking about the community response.

2334
02:08:32,080 --> 02:08:36,120
Speaker 20: I think I'm a really compassionate person and I'm not

2335
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:40,520
Speaker 20: very political in the sense that like I don't really participate.

2336
02:08:43,280 --> 02:08:49,120
Speaker 20: My life in my community's life is solution oriented. So

2337
02:08:51,480 --> 02:08:56,920
Speaker 20: I saw like that on a large scale, like when

2338
02:08:57,040 --> 02:09:03,720
Speaker 20: people come together, we create solutions when and you don't

2339
02:09:03,800 --> 02:09:08,680
Speaker 20: wait for someone like the government to show up and

2340
02:09:08,760 --> 02:09:14,760
Speaker 20: fix it, because then people will die. Yeah, you know,

2341
02:09:15,200 --> 02:09:19,840
Speaker 20: I mean that's the reality is if that community didn't activate,

2342
02:09:20,320 --> 02:09:22,120
Speaker 20: there would have been a lot of dead people in

2343
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:22,680
Speaker 20: the desert.

2344
02:09:23,640 --> 02:09:25,800
Speaker 2: Katie shared with me that she's been having a difficult time,

2345
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:28,600
Speaker 2: feeling guilty for not having the language skills to do

2346
02:09:28,680 --> 02:09:31,160
Speaker 2: more and questing her own worthiness to be their helping

2347
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:34,360
Speaker 2: But in the end, she said she felt that what

2348
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:37,600
Speaker 2: she'd done was right and important. I'll leave you with

2349
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:40,120
Speaker 2: her thoughts and tomorrow I'll be back to talk about

2350
02:09:40,120 --> 02:09:42,200
Speaker 2: the people who put everyone in this situation in the

2351
02:09:42,200 --> 02:09:45,360
Speaker 2: first place, the Department of Homeland Security.

2352
02:09:46,640 --> 02:09:50,640
Speaker 20: I think an important thing is like so many times

2353
02:09:51,600 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 20: we hear about things and we say, isn't that awful,

2354
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:59,400
Speaker 20: and we kind of shut down because we don't feel

2355
02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:06,839
Speaker 20: empowered or we don't know how to help. And literally

2356
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:14,520
Speaker 20: a smile makes a difference, a feeling of like I

2357
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:18,640
Speaker 20: see you and you belong on this planet makes a difference.

2358
02:10:19,520 --> 02:10:25,920
Speaker 20: And you know, little kids packing up canned goods and

2359
02:10:26,600 --> 02:10:31,240
Speaker 20: fruit snacks for other little kids. They didn't see those kids,

2360
02:10:31,240 --> 02:10:34,520
Speaker 20: but when the adult said they're gonna be so happy

2361
02:10:34,640 --> 02:10:38,800
Speaker 20: to get that package, they felt like they made a difference.

2362
02:10:39,480 --> 02:10:42,520
Speaker 20: And those little girls are gonna grow up and not

2363
02:10:42,720 --> 02:10:46,960
Speaker 20: be afraid to step up and make a difference. I

2364
02:10:47,000 --> 02:10:49,880
Speaker 20: think a lot of people think like they can't do enough,

2365
02:10:50,120 --> 02:10:53,680
Speaker 20: so they don't do anything. And if we all just

2366
02:10:53,880 --> 02:10:59,760
Speaker 20: do a little bit or what you can, then I

2367
02:10:59,760 --> 02:11:05,720
Speaker 20: think we would see a very large impact. Kumba is

2368
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:09,760
Speaker 20: a town of five hundred and they just fed thousands,

2369
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 20: house thousands, closed thousands, hugged and welcomed thousands of human beings.

2370
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:25,200
Speaker 20: And those people in that town don't have much excess,

2371
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:28,760
Speaker 20: and they made a difference.

2372
02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:30,160
Speaker 3: And I was.

2373
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:36,760
Speaker 20: Proud to be a part of that community in a

2374
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:41,160
Speaker 20: way that I'm on the fringe of it, and it

2375
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:44,000
Speaker 20: made me want to be even more a part of it.

2376
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:51,880
Speaker 20: My feelings and intuition about that town were confirmed by

2377
02:11:52,240 --> 02:11:58,760
Speaker 20: watching the simplest action make an incredible impact on real

2378
02:11:58,920 --> 02:12:06,800
Speaker 20: lives and real people, and that this isn't demographics, it's

2379
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:16,560
Speaker 20: real bodies that have breating, hearts and breathe and we

2380
02:12:16,720 --> 02:12:20,320
Speaker 20: all share the same air, in the same water, and

2381
02:12:21,680 --> 02:12:26,400
Speaker 20: we're all connected. And when you make one little drip

2382
02:12:26,560 --> 02:12:31,000
Speaker 20: in the bucket, it actually does make a difference. And

2383
02:12:31,040 --> 02:12:34,680
Speaker 20: I think that stops us sometimes when we think what

2384
02:12:34,760 --> 02:12:40,000
Speaker 20: we have isn't enough to give, but when someone has nothing,

2385
02:12:40,640 --> 02:12:43,840
Speaker 20: what you have is more than what they can.

2386
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:59,960
Speaker 2: Imagine the history of the Border and It's in four

2387
02:13:00,520 --> 02:13:03,040
Speaker 2: begins in fourteen ninety two with the colonization of what

2388
02:13:03,080 --> 02:13:06,000
Speaker 2: would become known as the Americas. It goes through the

2389
02:13:06,000 --> 02:13:08,760
Speaker 2: eighteen forty two Mexican American War and a curl of

2390
02:13:08,760 --> 02:13:11,320
Speaker 2: indigenous people's lands without their knowledge or consent in the

2391
02:13:11,360 --> 02:13:14,560
Speaker 2: eighteen fifty three Gasden Purchase, and of course, through the

2392
02:13:14,600 --> 02:13:17,840
Speaker 2: eighteen eighty two Chinese Exclusion Act and numerous other explicit

2393
02:13:17,840 --> 02:13:20,800
Speaker 2: attempts to prevent non white people from moving to the USA.

2394
02:13:21,520 --> 02:13:24,320
Speaker 2: From there, it weaves its way through the Mexican Revolution

2395
02:13:24,560 --> 02:13:26,840
Speaker 2: and the First World Wars GEMA proposal to ally with

2396
02:13:26,920 --> 02:13:29,120
Speaker 2: Mexico to reclaim those territories it had lost in the

2397
02:13:29,160 --> 02:13:33,400
Speaker 2: decades before then. The border patrol story itself begins in

2398
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:36,680
Speaker 2: May nineteen twenty four and in the ninety nine years since,

2399
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:39,000
Speaker 2: it has encompassed everything from David Duke to nine to

2400
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:42,200
Speaker 2: eleven in its journey to becoming the biggest and least

2401
02:13:42,200 --> 02:13:46,040
Speaker 2: accountable law enforcement agency in the federal government. People from

2402
02:13:46,040 --> 02:13:49,440
Speaker 2: the colonial periphery have always migrated to the metropol. It's

2403
02:13:49,480 --> 02:13:51,480
Speaker 2: why a man called fat LEDs singing a song about

2404
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:54,640
Speaker 2: vinderlou is basically my country's second national anthem, and why

2405
02:13:54,960 --> 02:13:57,560
Speaker 2: every four years France accepts black Frenchmen onto its football

2406
02:13:57,560 --> 02:13:59,640
Speaker 2: team before it returns to vilifying them in other forms

2407
02:13:59,640 --> 02:14:03,200
Speaker 2: of discos. Migration to the United States is no different.

2408
02:14:03,680 --> 02:14:07,200
Speaker 2: Climate change in US imperiodism have destabilized and impoverished nations

2409
02:14:07,200 --> 02:14:10,440
Speaker 2: from the Americas to Afghanistan and driven people to the

2410
02:14:10,520 --> 02:14:13,920
Speaker 2: US border looking for a better life. What's distinct about

2411
02:14:13,920 --> 02:14:16,280
Speaker 2: the US is how obsessed it has become with keeping

2412
02:14:16,280 --> 02:14:19,320
Speaker 2: these people out and enforcing the longest land borders in

2413
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:22,160
Speaker 2: the world. But the US border is much bigger than

2414
02:14:22,160 --> 02:14:24,280
Speaker 2: the land boundary between the USA and Mexico to the

2415
02:14:24,320 --> 02:14:27,040
Speaker 2: south and Canada to the north. If you're listening to

2416
02:14:27,120 --> 02:14:29,320
Speaker 2: this in the United States, the chances are that you

2417
02:14:29,360 --> 02:14:32,720
Speaker 2: live in the border enforcement zone. This swath of territory

2418
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:36,040
Speaker 2: outside the Constitution has been established since the Immigration and

2419
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:39,720
Speaker 2: Nationality Act of nineteen fifty two. Established at a reasonable

2420
02:14:39,800 --> 02:14:43,160
Speaker 2: distance of the border would extend one hundred air miles

2421
02:14:43,560 --> 02:14:46,560
Speaker 2: around the outline of the country. Two thirds of the

2422
02:14:46,640 --> 02:14:51,280
Speaker 2: US's population live within this zone. Washington, d C. San Francisco, Chicago,

2423
02:14:51,400 --> 02:14:54,080
Speaker 2: New Orleans, and Boston are all within it, and that

2424
02:14:54,160 --> 02:14:57,000
Speaker 2: means that cbpagents can search vehicles and vessels to look

2425
02:14:57,040 --> 02:14:59,240
Speaker 2: for property that's in the country without the right documents.

2426
02:14:59,640 --> 02:15:03,240
Speaker 2: They can public transportation or set up interior checkpoints and stop,

2427
02:15:03,520 --> 02:15:06,640
Speaker 2: interrogate and search citizens and non citizens without the need

2428
02:15:06,680 --> 02:15:09,720
Speaker 2: for a warrant. Within twenty five miles of the border,

2429
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:12,080
Speaker 2: they can enter your property provide it's not a domicile.

2430
02:15:12,600 --> 02:15:15,440
Speaker 2: The Fourth Amendment, part of a foundational bill of rights

2431
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:17,720
Speaker 2: at US likes to tout as what makes it different from

2432
02:15:17,720 --> 02:15:20,240
Speaker 2: the rest of the world, doesn't apply when you're near

2433
02:15:20,280 --> 02:15:23,480
Speaker 2: the border, and all encompassing history of the border and

2434
02:15:23,520 --> 02:15:26,360
Speaker 2: its enforcement is beyond the scope of this podcast. Even

2435
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 2: a history of the Southwest border could take up a

2436
02:15:28,280 --> 02:15:30,880
Speaker 2: whole bookshelf, but we will try and skim the high

2437
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:34,320
Speaker 2: points here. Let's start with a Gadsden Purchase when a

2438
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:37,040
Speaker 2: party of military surveyors first bumped into horn Art and

2439
02:15:37,400 --> 02:15:40,520
Speaker 2: elders as they attempted to draw a line dividing to

2440
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:44,560
Speaker 2: Horn Autumn People from to Horn Autum people. The southern

2441
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:47,120
Speaker 2: border is no more obvious today than it was then, and,

2442
02:15:47,160 --> 02:15:49,200
Speaker 2: of course, to the Autumn it was and remains and

2443
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,800
Speaker 2: aberration that divides them from much of their ancestral and

2444
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:56,440
Speaker 2: current homelands. It has over the years seen violent enforcement

2445
02:15:56,440 --> 02:15:59,200
Speaker 2: on members of the nation and a growing encroachment of

2446
02:15:59,200 --> 02:16:02,760
Speaker 2: the Border Patrol into today's to Horn Autumn Reservation, which

2447
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:05,680
Speaker 2: is the second largest in the USA. It only represents

2448
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:09,800
Speaker 2: a fraction of the tribe's historical homeland. These surveyors were

2449
02:16:09,800 --> 02:16:12,040
Speaker 2: in the process of finalizing most of the California and

2450
02:16:12,080 --> 02:16:14,920
Speaker 2: Arizona border, a border I drove most of in the

2451
02:16:14,960 --> 02:16:18,160
Speaker 2: days after Title forty two. The southern border as it

2452
02:16:18,200 --> 02:16:21,360
Speaker 2: looks now, was largely shaped by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo,

2453
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:25,120
Speaker 2: which Mexico lost fifty five percent of its territory, including

2454
02:16:25,120 --> 02:16:28,880
Speaker 2: all of what is today California, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, Nevada,

2455
02:16:28,960 --> 02:16:32,959
Speaker 2: and parts of what is today Colorado. Wyoming, Kansas, and Oklahoma.

2456
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:36,160
Speaker 2: The Gaston purchase of eighteen fifty three added more of

2457
02:16:36,200 --> 02:16:39,840
Speaker 2: southern Arizona. In New Mexico, the specific border in Santa

2458
02:16:39,879 --> 02:16:42,320
Speaker 2: Ciedro withdrawal so that San Diego Bay would fall to

2459
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:45,039
Speaker 2: the north of the line. The border in a cumba

2460
02:16:45,200 --> 02:16:47,720
Speaker 2: seems more arbitrary, a straight line in the desert that

2461
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:51,280
Speaker 2: runs into a pile of rocks. Of course, long before

2462
02:16:51,320 --> 02:16:54,440
Speaker 2: the border divided San Asidra from Tijuana, this was Cuma land,

2463
02:16:54,800 --> 02:16:58,080
Speaker 2: and despite the border, it still is. The name Tijuana

2464
02:16:58,240 --> 02:17:01,080
Speaker 2: derives from Tijuan, which we by the sea in Kumiai.

2465
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:05,440
Speaker 2: Despite this, the Kumii and many other indigenous peoples were

2466
02:17:05,440 --> 02:17:08,320
Speaker 2: ignored when the border crossed them, and it's becoming harder

2467
02:17:08,320 --> 02:17:11,680
Speaker 2: and harder for them to cross it. In parts of desert,

2468
02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 2: it can be pretty hard to see the border at all.

2469
02:17:14,240 --> 02:17:16,680
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, while out with a group of Kumi

2470
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 2: people who were in ceremony to honor their ancestors whose

2471
02:17:19,560 --> 02:17:22,160
Speaker 2: burial sites have been and continue to be desecrated by

2472
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:25,040
Speaker 2: border war construction, I had to be worried of stepping

2473
02:17:25,040 --> 02:17:28,240
Speaker 2: over it to better frame my shots the emerging declaration.

2474
02:17:28,320 --> 02:17:31,320
Speaker 2: Donald Trump made allowed war construction to sidestep legislation in

2475
02:17:31,360 --> 02:17:34,840
Speaker 2: place to protect archaeological and sacred sites, but it didn't

2476
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:39,280
Speaker 2: allow me to sidestep into Mexico to get a better shot. Luckily, Bortac,

2477
02:17:39,800 --> 02:17:42,200
Speaker 2: a team of armed border patrol agents who you might

2478
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:45,279
Speaker 2: remember from Portland in twenty twenty, provided a guy addressed

2479
02:17:45,320 --> 02:17:47,160
Speaker 2: like he was in the Battle of Falluja to help me.

2480
02:17:47,720 --> 02:17:49,400
Speaker 2: I would say the border is a line in the sand,

2481
02:17:49,400 --> 02:17:51,400
Speaker 2: but at the time there wasn't a line that was

2482
02:17:51,480 --> 02:17:54,280
Speaker 2: visible at all in Valley the Moon, a few miles

2483
02:17:54,320 --> 02:17:56,520
Speaker 2: east to Wear that Bortec patrol guard shouted at people

2484
02:17:56,600 --> 02:17:59,480
Speaker 2: stepping too close in twenty twenty. The border wall is

2485
02:17:59,520 --> 02:18:02,680
Speaker 2: about waste, high, rusty, and essentially comprised of a single

2486
02:18:02,680 --> 02:18:07,040
Speaker 2: strand of barbed wire in cucumber. The thirty foot Trump

2487
02:18:07,040 --> 02:18:09,280
Speaker 2: wall pushes right up to a boulder pile and then

2488
02:18:09,320 --> 02:18:12,720
Speaker 2: stops the logic as much as there can be any logic,

2489
02:18:12,720 --> 02:18:15,119
Speaker 2: and spending twenty five million dollars a mile to desecrate

2490
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:18,320
Speaker 2: sacred spaces and defile the landscape, is it. People will

2491
02:18:18,320 --> 02:18:21,119
Speaker 2: be deterred from crossing by the harsh landscape, brutally hot

2492
02:18:21,200 --> 02:18:25,440
Speaker 2: days and brutally cold nights. This logic, of course, fails

2493
02:18:25,480 --> 02:18:29,120
Speaker 2: to consider not just where people are going, why they're leaving,

2494
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:32,680
Speaker 2: the places they've come from. Risking one's life crossing the

2495
02:18:32,720 --> 02:18:36,120
Speaker 2: border makes sense only when one considers the danger that

2496
02:18:36,200 --> 02:18:38,520
Speaker 2: many people in places around the world face every day.

2497
02:18:39,320 --> 02:18:42,480
Speaker 2: It hasn't always been this way, fear reference here in

2498
02:18:42,680 --> 02:18:45,920
Speaker 2: Reagan and Bush talking about migration in nineteen eighty.

2499
02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,440
Speaker 30: Heit, I'm going to ask you what you would do

2500
02:18:47,480 --> 02:18:48,120
Speaker 30: about Cuba.

2501
02:18:48,480 --> 02:18:49,920
Speaker 8: But now I'm going to hold you.

2502
02:18:50,720 --> 02:18:52,959
Speaker 17: Now, we're going to have some questions from the audience.

2503
02:18:54,400 --> 02:18:56,600
Speaker 25: Yes, my name's David Grosberg, and I'd like to know

2504
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:58,880
Speaker 25: do you think that children of illegal aliens should be

2505
02:18:58,920 --> 02:19:01,200
Speaker 25: allowed to attend Texas public schools free?

2506
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:03,200
Speaker 15: Or do you think that their parents should pay for

2507
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:03,880
Speaker 15: their education?

2508
02:19:05,720 --> 02:19:06,760
Speaker 26: Who you're addressing that too?

2509
02:19:06,879 --> 02:19:09,240
Speaker 8: I think he was looking right at you.

2510
02:19:09,560 --> 02:19:12,959
Speaker 31: I said he was, Well, I'd like.

2511
02:19:12,959 --> 02:19:15,879
Speaker 29: To see something done about the illegal alien problem that

2512
02:19:15,879 --> 02:19:19,680
Speaker 29: would be so sensitive, in so understanding about labor needs

2513
02:19:20,000 --> 02:19:21,640
Speaker 29: and human needs that.

2514
02:19:21,480 --> 02:19:22,800
Speaker 15: That problem wouldn't come up.

2515
02:19:23,120 --> 02:19:24,039
Speaker 32: But today, if.

2516
02:19:23,920 --> 02:19:27,880
Speaker 29: Those people are here, I would reluctantly say I think

2517
02:19:27,920 --> 02:19:30,560
Speaker 29: they would. They would get whatever it is that they're

2518
02:19:30,959 --> 02:19:34,320
Speaker 29: you know what the society is giving to their neighbors,

2519
02:19:34,560 --> 02:19:37,120
Speaker 29: but it has the problem has to be solved. The

2520
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:41,360
Speaker 29: problem has to be solved because as we have kind

2521
02:19:41,360 --> 02:19:44,640
Speaker 29: of made illegal some kinds of labor that I'd like

2522
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:47,560
Speaker 29: to see legal, we're doing two things. We're creating a

2523
02:19:47,600 --> 02:19:52,400
Speaker 29: whole society of really honorable, decent, family loving people that

2524
02:19:52,440 --> 02:19:53,680
Speaker 29: are in violation of the law.

2525
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:54,879
Speaker 8: And secondly, we're.

2526
02:19:54,760 --> 02:19:58,440
Speaker 29: Exacerbating relations with Mexico. The change, the answer to your

2527
02:19:58,520 --> 02:20:01,360
Speaker 29: question is much more fun to metal then whether they

2528
02:20:01,400 --> 02:20:04,280
Speaker 29: attend Houston schools. It seems to me, I don't want

2529
02:20:04,320 --> 02:20:06,000
Speaker 29: to see a whole if they're living here, I don't

2530
02:20:06,000 --> 02:20:08,280
Speaker 29: want to see a whole. I think it's six and

2531
02:20:08,400 --> 02:20:12,840
Speaker 29: eight year old kids being made, you know, one totally

2532
02:20:12,920 --> 02:20:14,720
Speaker 29: uneducated and made.

2533
02:20:14,560 --> 02:20:16,480
Speaker 17: To feel that they're living with outside the law.

2534
02:20:16,680 --> 02:20:18,640
Speaker 1: Let's address ourselves to the fundamentals.

2535
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,960
Speaker 29: These are good people, strong people.

2536
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:26,440
Speaker 17: Part of my family is an Mexican. And I added

2537
02:20:26,480 --> 02:20:29,760
Speaker 17: that I think the time has come that the United

2538
02:20:29,760 --> 02:20:32,520
Speaker 17: States and our neighbors, particularly our neighbor to the south,

2539
02:20:32,959 --> 02:20:35,400
Speaker 17: should have a better understanding and a better relationship than

2540
02:20:35,400 --> 02:20:36,120
Speaker 17: we've ever had.

2541
02:20:36,560 --> 02:20:38,119
Speaker 8: And I think but we haven't.

2542
02:20:38,080 --> 02:20:41,160
Speaker 17: Been sensitive enough to our size and our power. They

2543
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:44,560
Speaker 17: have a problem of forty to fifty percent unemployment. Now

2544
02:20:44,840 --> 02:20:49,640
Speaker 17: this cannot continue without the possibility arising with regard to

2545
02:20:49,680 --> 02:20:52,120
Speaker 17: that other country that we talked about of Cuba, and

2546
02:20:52,120 --> 02:20:55,440
Speaker 17: what it is stirring up of the possibility of trouble

2547
02:20:55,480 --> 02:20:57,720
Speaker 17: below the border, and we could have a very hostile

2548
02:20:58,040 --> 02:21:01,320
Speaker 17: and strange neighbor on our border. Rather than making them

2549
02:21:01,760 --> 02:21:04,520
Speaker 17: or talking about putting up a fence, why don't we

2550
02:21:04,600 --> 02:21:08,200
Speaker 17: work out some recognition of our mutual problems. Make it

2551
02:21:08,280 --> 02:21:11,360
Speaker 17: possible for them to come here legally with a work permit, and.

2552
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:14,119
Speaker 8: Then while they're working and earning here, they pay.

2553
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:16,200
Speaker 17: Taxes here, and when they go on to go back,

2554
02:21:16,200 --> 02:21:17,960
Speaker 17: they can go back, and they can cross and open

2555
02:21:18,000 --> 02:21:22,119
Speaker 17: the border both ways. By understanding their problems.

2556
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,600
Speaker 2: The modern era of border enforcement began. As far as

2557
02:21:24,600 --> 02:21:27,880
Speaker 2: we can pinpoint a single date with Silvestre Reyes, that

2558
02:21:28,040 --> 02:21:31,720
Speaker 2: then Sector Chief of the Border Patrol in McAllen, Texas

2559
02:21:32,240 --> 02:21:36,119
Speaker 2: and his operation hold the line the community around McAllen,

2560
02:21:36,120 --> 02:21:38,920
Speaker 2: who got tired of border patrol snooping around businesses and

2561
02:21:38,959 --> 02:21:42,920
Speaker 2: even schools in a Rio Grand Valley, and instead Rayes

2562
02:21:43,000 --> 02:21:45,800
Speaker 2: deployed his agents forward in a sort of human fence

2563
02:21:45,800 --> 02:21:49,240
Speaker 2: along the Rio. Grand Rays would later become the chief

2564
02:21:49,240 --> 02:21:52,360
Speaker 2: of the Olpaso sector and a Democratic Congressman. He lost

2565
02:21:52,360 --> 02:21:54,119
Speaker 2: his seat to be to a rok in twenty thirteen,

2566
02:21:54,920 --> 02:21:58,080
Speaker 2: but this strategy would long outlive his career with border patrol.

2567
02:21:58,840 --> 02:22:02,920
Speaker 2: The following year, on September seventeenth, nineteen ninety four, US

2568
02:22:03,000 --> 02:22:07,199
Speaker 2: Attorney General Janet Reno announce the start of Operation Gatekeeper.

2569
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:10,280
Speaker 2: The first phase of the operation focus on the first

2570
02:22:10,360 --> 02:22:13,280
Speaker 2: five miles of the western border, including the place where

2571
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:15,840
Speaker 2: I recorded all those interviews you heard earlier this week.

2572
02:22:16,959 --> 02:22:18,720
Speaker 2: According to a piece written a quarter of a century

2573
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,320
Speaker 2: later in the La Times, the strategy was to deter

2574
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:24,800
Speaker 2: migrants from illegally crossing in the first place, and for

2575
02:22:24,840 --> 02:22:27,920
Speaker 2: those who remained undeterred, to encourage him to cross in

2576
02:22:28,000 --> 02:22:30,680
Speaker 2: more isolated wilderness areas to the east, where they could

2577
02:22:30,680 --> 02:22:34,600
Speaker 2: be more easily captured. There were already fences in nineteen

2578
02:22:34,680 --> 02:22:37,760
Speaker 2: ninety four, first a chain link fence and then one

2579
02:22:37,760 --> 02:22:40,480
Speaker 2: made of helicopter landing mats left over from Vietnam that

2580
02:22:40,520 --> 02:22:44,040
Speaker 2: had horizontal struts that closely resembled and were used as

2581
02:22:44,120 --> 02:22:48,760
Speaker 2: a ladder. Anti migrant rhetoric was already there too. California

2582
02:22:48,800 --> 02:22:51,720
Speaker 2: Governor Pete Wilson became an outspoken advocate for Prop One

2583
02:22:51,800 --> 02:22:54,840
Speaker 2: eighty seven, a ballot measure that cut off state services

2584
02:22:54,879 --> 02:22:58,640
Speaker 2: like healthcare and education to undocumented people. Here's a clip

2585
02:22:58,640 --> 02:22:59,840
Speaker 2: of Wilson's reelection ad.

2586
02:23:00,320 --> 02:23:04,440
Speaker 30: They keep coming two million illegal immigrants in California. The

2587
02:23:04,440 --> 02:23:07,600
Speaker 30: federal government won't stop them at the border, yet requires

2588
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:10,240
Speaker 30: us to pay billions to take care of them, and

2589
02:23:10,400 --> 02:23:13,200
Speaker 30: Governor Pete Wilson sent the National Guard to help the

2590
02:23:13,240 --> 02:23:13,959
Speaker 30: border patrol.

2591
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:15,000
Speaker 2: But that's not.

2592
02:23:14,959 --> 02:23:18,360
Speaker 21: All for Californias who work hard, pay taxes, and obey

2593
02:23:18,400 --> 02:23:21,080
Speaker 21: the laws. I am suing to force the federal government

2594
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:23,879
Speaker 21: to control the border, and I'm working to deny state

2595
02:23:23,959 --> 02:23:25,640
Speaker 21: services to illegal amigrants.

2596
02:23:26,160 --> 02:23:29,080
Speaker 30: Enough is enough, Governor Pete Wilson.

2597
02:23:29,520 --> 02:23:32,480
Speaker 2: Under the operation, a much higher number of agents were

2598
02:23:32,520 --> 02:23:36,440
Speaker 2: deployed to the border. Apprehensions increase, and with them, so

2599
02:23:36,520 --> 02:23:40,240
Speaker 2: did funding for border enforcement. It was around this time

2600
02:23:40,280 --> 02:23:43,080
Speaker 2: that the narrative around the border began to change. It

2601
02:23:43,160 --> 02:23:45,720
Speaker 2: was also around this time, a few months earlier in fact,

2602
02:23:45,800 --> 02:23:48,880
Speaker 2: that the US, Mexico, and Canada entered into the North

2603
02:23:48,920 --> 02:23:51,959
Speaker 2: American Free Trade Agreement, which made it easier than ever

2604
02:23:52,000 --> 02:23:54,560
Speaker 2: for capital to move across the border and take advantage

2605
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:57,440
Speaker 2: of low wages in Mexico. To learn a little bit

2606
02:23:57,480 --> 02:23:59,840
Speaker 2: more about Operation Gatekeeper, I spoke to one of the

2607
02:23:59,879 --> 02:24:01,800
Speaker 2: agents who was tossed with executing it.

2608
02:24:03,000 --> 02:24:05,280
Speaker 31: My name is Jen Budd and I'm a former senior

2609
02:24:05,320 --> 02:24:08,920
Speaker 31: Patrol agent with the United States Border Patrol. I was

2610
02:24:08,959 --> 02:24:13,480
Speaker 31: a senior intelligence agent as well as San Diego Sector Headquarters.

2611
02:24:13,920 --> 02:24:16,600
Speaker 2: Jennison's left the Border Patrol, but she realizes the impact

2612
02:24:16,640 --> 02:24:20,240
Speaker 2: of Operation Gatekeeper on migrants was anything but positive. Yeah.

2613
02:24:20,400 --> 02:24:23,560
Speaker 31: Operation Gatekeepers started in nineteen ninety four, in October of

2614
02:24:23,640 --> 02:24:27,439
Speaker 31: nineteen ninety four, and I got to Campo in November

2615
02:24:27,600 --> 02:24:33,240
Speaker 31: of nineteen ninety five, and so right afterwards, the fence

2616
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:35,760
Speaker 31: was just getting to pick that day when.

2617
02:24:35,560 --> 02:24:36,080
Speaker 26: I got there.

2618
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:39,320
Speaker 31: So most of my class, I think we had I

2619
02:24:39,360 --> 02:24:41,840
Speaker 31: don't know, forty people graduate or something. Most of them

2620
02:24:41,879 --> 02:24:45,640
Speaker 31: went down to Imperial Beach and they had a wall there.

2621
02:24:45,680 --> 02:24:48,560
Speaker 31: And so that was the idea, is to fill the

2622
02:24:48,600 --> 02:24:51,560
Speaker 31: San Diego City area with as many agents and weapons

2623
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:54,000
Speaker 31: and all this, and then that would push the traffic

2624
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,160
Speaker 31: for that to the mountains, making it more difficult for

2625
02:24:56,240 --> 02:24:58,800
Speaker 31: them to cross. And some of them get injured, and

2626
02:24:58,840 --> 02:25:01,240
Speaker 31: we knew some of them would die. It was intentional.

2627
02:25:01,640 --> 02:25:05,199
Speaker 31: The death and the injuries, according to management, would deter

2628
02:25:05,560 --> 02:25:06,480
Speaker 31: future crosses.

2629
02:25:06,520 --> 02:25:08,240
Speaker 8: But of course that that's.

2630
02:25:08,040 --> 02:25:08,680
Speaker 31: Not the case.

2631
02:25:09,240 --> 02:25:12,879
Speaker 2: Alan Berson, US attorney in San Diego, was named the

2632
02:25:12,879 --> 02:25:15,680
Speaker 2: so called Border Czar by President Bill Clinton a few

2633
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:19,280
Speaker 2: years later to implement that same Gatekeeper strategy across the

2634
02:25:19,280 --> 02:25:22,720
Speaker 2: rest of the Southwest border. Burston saw things a little differently.

2635
02:25:23,240 --> 02:25:26,600
Speaker 3: Neither side claims it, but Gatekeeper was probably the most

2636
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:30,640
Speaker 3: important domestic achievement accomplished in a purely bipartisan manner through

2637
02:25:30,680 --> 02:25:34,800
Speaker 3: three administrations, and the greatest accomplishment since President Eisenhower and

2638
02:25:34,840 --> 02:25:37,200
Speaker 3: the Democrats put together the state highway system in the

2639
02:25:37,200 --> 02:25:38,320
Speaker 3: mid nineteen fifties.

2640
02:25:38,600 --> 02:25:41,760
Speaker 2: But in fact, while apprehensions did drop in San Diego,

2641
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:44,280
Speaker 2: they spiked by five hundred and ninety one percent in

2642
02:25:44,320 --> 02:25:47,280
Speaker 2: the Tucson sector between nineteen ninety two and two thousand

2643
02:25:47,320 --> 02:25:51,199
Speaker 2: and four. The La Times quotes a non partisan congressional

2644
02:25:51,240 --> 02:25:56,240
Speaker 2: research service as saying, one unintended consequence of this enforcement

2645
02:25:56,280 --> 02:25:59,080
Speaker 2: posture and the shift in migration patterns has been an

2646
02:25:59,080 --> 02:26:02,760
Speaker 2: increase in the number of migrant deaths each year. On average,

2647
02:26:02,879 --> 02:26:06,080
Speaker 2: two hundred migrants died each year in the early nineteen nineties,

2648
02:26:06,560 --> 02:26:08,959
Speaker 2: compared with four hundred and seventy two migrant deaths in

2649
02:26:08,959 --> 02:26:12,320
Speaker 2: two thousand and five. Many of those deaths are now

2650
02:26:12,320 --> 02:26:15,880
Speaker 2: in a sector that encompasses the Autumn Reservation. The desert

2651
02:26:15,879 --> 02:26:18,760
Speaker 2: there is particularly hard to cross, and the enforcement that

2652
02:26:18,800 --> 02:26:22,040
Speaker 2: began with Operation Gatekeeper pushes more and more people onto

2653
02:26:22,080 --> 02:26:25,640
Speaker 2: the reservation. Dahn or Autumn People used to travel between

2654
02:26:25,640 --> 02:26:28,880
Speaker 2: the United States and Mexico fairly easily on roads without

2655
02:26:28,959 --> 02:26:32,120
Speaker 2: checkpoints to visit family, go to school, visit a doctor,

2656
02:26:32,280 --> 02:26:36,840
Speaker 2: or perform their traditional ceremonial practices. But after nine to eleven,

2657
02:26:37,000 --> 02:26:39,200
Speaker 2: the United States and its Border Patrol began a more

2658
02:26:39,280 --> 02:26:43,720
Speaker 2: visible and violent occupation of the reservation. It started with

2659
02:26:43,760 --> 02:26:46,240
Speaker 2: a vehicle barrier in two thousand and seven, and it

2660
02:26:46,280 --> 02:26:51,000
Speaker 2: continued with CBP's quote unquote virtual wall of surveillance technology,

2661
02:26:51,000 --> 02:26:55,240
Speaker 2: cameras and drones. The Israeli company Elbit Systems has built

2662
02:26:55,320 --> 02:26:58,680
Speaker 2: fixed surveillance towers, which they pioneered in the West Bank

2663
02:26:58,920 --> 02:27:03,160
Speaker 2: on tribal land with the permission of tribal council. Meanwhile,

2664
02:27:03,600 --> 02:27:06,280
Speaker 2: other members of the nation strongly oppose the militarization of

2665
02:27:06,320 --> 02:27:09,080
Speaker 2: their homeland in the name of security of whatever homeland

2666
02:27:09,080 --> 02:27:12,960
Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security is securing. I'll quote here

2667
02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:14,960
Speaker 2: from Todd Miller, whose excellent work on the border has

2668
02:27:15,000 --> 02:27:19,320
Speaker 2: required reading for anyone interested in the subject. Amy Juan

2669
02:27:19,520 --> 02:27:22,160
Speaker 2: and Nellie Joe David, members of the Horn Autumn her

2670
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:26,920
Speaker 2: Magicum writes Network Tohrn joined a delegation to the West

2671
02:27:26,920 --> 02:27:30,920
Speaker 2: Bank in October twenty seventeen, convened by the Palestinian Organization

2672
02:27:30,959 --> 02:27:34,080
Speaker 2: to Stop the War. It was a relief, one says,

2673
02:27:34,600 --> 02:27:37,360
Speaker 2: to talk with people who understand our fears, who are

2674
02:27:37,400 --> 02:27:42,960
Speaker 2: dealing with militarization and technology. In twenty seventeen, to Horn

2675
02:27:43,040 --> 02:27:46,000
Speaker 2: Autumn vice chairman Verlin Josse said that a war will

2676
02:27:46,040 --> 02:27:49,400
Speaker 2: be built quote over my dead body, and the tribe

2677
02:27:49,400 --> 02:27:52,480
Speaker 2: released a video saying there is no Autumn word for war.

2678
02:27:52,959 --> 02:27:55,280
Speaker 2: The sixty two miles of the border on their reservation

2679
02:27:55,560 --> 02:27:59,240
Speaker 2: would remain without one, they said. By twenty twenty, the

2680
02:27:59,240 --> 02:28:01,440
Speaker 2: Trump administrator had fought through a wall or much of

2681
02:28:01,440 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 2: the border, using what is known as the Roosevelt Reservation.

2682
02:28:04,440 --> 02:28:06,520
Speaker 2: This is a sixty foot wide strip of land that

2683
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:10,000
Speaker 2: the federal government owns along the border in California, Arizona,

2684
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:13,880
Speaker 2: and New Mexico. Although much of the Autumn Nation remains

2685
02:28:13,879 --> 02:28:16,600
Speaker 2: war free and somehows what's called a vehicle barrier or

2686
02:28:16,600 --> 02:28:19,879
Speaker 2: a normandy barrier. Approximately one third of the Roosevelt Reservation

2687
02:28:19,920 --> 02:28:23,160
Speaker 2: is on tribal land. Since two thousand and five realized

2688
02:28:23,200 --> 02:28:26,120
Speaker 2: the Act, environmental surveys and laws have been waived for

2689
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:29,160
Speaker 2: border security, and this gave the Trump administration a way

2690
02:28:29,200 --> 02:28:32,320
Speaker 2: to justify the destruction of autumn and Kumi burial grounds,

2691
02:28:32,520 --> 02:28:35,840
Speaker 2: swad or cacti that the Autumn Seas relatives, and other

2692
02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:39,360
Speaker 2: sacred sites along the border. Despite efforts by tribal members

2693
02:28:39,360 --> 02:28:43,160
Speaker 2: and allies to stop the construction, members of the Tahana

2694
02:28:43,200 --> 02:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Autumn Nation have been pepper sprayed, beaten, tailed, and shot

2695
02:28:47,160 --> 02:28:50,039
Speaker 2: by border patrol. In two thousand and two, a border

2696
02:28:50,080 --> 02:28:54,560
Speaker 2: patrol agent ran over and killed an Arthumn teenager. Last week,

2697
02:28:55,040 --> 02:28:56,959
Speaker 2: the same night I was waiting down by the border

2698
02:28:56,959 --> 02:28:59,720
Speaker 2: for the end of Title forty two, border patrol agents

2699
02:28:59,720 --> 02:29:02,960
Speaker 2: shot and killed Raymond Mattia, an odd to man who

2700
02:29:02,959 --> 02:29:05,680
Speaker 2: had called and asked him for help. He was shot

2701
02:29:05,800 --> 02:29:08,400
Speaker 2: thirty eight times just two feet from his front door.

2702
02:29:08,400 --> 02:29:12,440
Speaker 2: According to his family, well, mister Mattia's death is still

2703
02:29:12,440 --> 02:29:15,440
Speaker 2: being investigated. The Border Patrol has a long tradition of

2704
02:29:15,520 --> 02:29:18,959
Speaker 2: literally getting away with murder. It is because they investigate

2705
02:29:18,959 --> 02:29:22,960
Speaker 2: themselves using so called critical Incident teams. I talked to

2706
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:25,520
Speaker 2: Jen about what those teams do, and so.

2707
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:28,000
Speaker 31: What they would do is they would get there first

2708
02:29:28,040 --> 02:29:30,200
Speaker 31: on the scene because we would call them first. We

2709
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:33,200
Speaker 31: wouldn't call anybody else, We'd call them first, and then

2710
02:29:33,240 --> 02:29:35,480
Speaker 31: they come, They get rid of the witnesses, they set

2711
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,960
Speaker 31: the scene up the way we want to be done,

2712
02:29:38,000 --> 02:29:40,039
Speaker 31: and they tell you the narrative that you're going to

2713
02:29:40,040 --> 02:29:42,480
Speaker 31: stick with. You talk to your union reps, and it's

2714
02:29:42,480 --> 02:29:43,680
Speaker 31: all this giant cover up.

2715
02:29:44,120 --> 02:29:47,920
Speaker 2: Here's John Carlos Free, a journalist who covered CIIT cover ups,

2716
02:29:48,200 --> 02:29:50,920
Speaker 2: talking to Democracy Now about how these teams work.

2717
02:29:51,720 --> 02:29:55,360
Speaker 33: Within the actual agency of the US Board Patrol, there

2718
02:29:55,400 --> 02:29:58,879
Speaker 33: is an investigative body called SIT, the Critical Incident Team.

2719
02:29:59,480 --> 02:30:03,080
Speaker 33: They are has with investigating incidents that involved Border Patrol,

2720
02:30:03,080 --> 02:30:05,640
Speaker 33: and it can be anything from a car accident to

2721
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:08,680
Speaker 33: in this case, an individual who's killed at the hands

2722
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:11,720
Speaker 33: of the US Border Patrol. In this particular case of

2723
02:30:11,800 --> 02:30:16,560
Speaker 33: Anastasio Hernandez Rojas, Border Patrol agents, deleted video, they collected

2724
02:30:16,600 --> 02:30:19,600
Speaker 33: evidence at the scene. They were present in the hospital

2725
02:30:19,640 --> 02:30:23,640
Speaker 33: when Anastasio was being treated, They were present at the autopsy.

2726
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:30,920
Speaker 33: They fudged reports, they deleted reports, They coached their own

2727
02:30:31,000 --> 02:30:33,959
Speaker 33: agents on what kind of testimony they were to give.

2728
02:30:34,040 --> 02:30:37,440
Speaker 33: They were present at every one of the depositions. They

2729
02:30:37,480 --> 02:30:40,119
Speaker 33: made sure that they were the victims in this case.

2730
02:30:40,120 --> 02:30:41,959
Speaker 33: And when I say that, what I mean is that

2731
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:46,920
Speaker 33: Border Patrol agents sit team agents make sure that Border

2732
02:30:46,959 --> 02:30:50,680
Speaker 33: Patrol agents are looked at as the victims in any

2733
02:30:50,720 --> 02:30:53,200
Speaker 33: sort of an incident, meaning that they are allowed then

2734
02:30:53,240 --> 02:30:56,360
Speaker 33: to use lethal force if a Border Patrol agent has

2735
02:30:56,480 --> 02:30:58,760
Speaker 33: rocks thrown at them or in the case of Anastasio,

2736
02:30:58,840 --> 02:31:02,000
Speaker 33: they alleged that Honosta was violent and that he was

2737
02:31:02,080 --> 02:31:06,160
Speaker 33: kicking and punching and he needed to be subdued. If

2738
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:08,800
Speaker 33: we take a look at the videotape, that's not actually

2739
02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:11,360
Speaker 33: what happened. He's handcuffed, he's prone on the ground, his

2740
02:31:11,480 --> 02:31:14,280
Speaker 33: faces down, agents are on top of him. But if

2741
02:31:14,280 --> 02:31:16,640
Speaker 33: you read the reports in this case that were prepared

2742
02:31:16,680 --> 02:31:19,600
Speaker 33: by sid Anastasio was a violent man and needed to

2743
02:31:19,640 --> 02:31:20,320
Speaker 33: be subdued.

2744
02:31:20,680 --> 02:31:23,480
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, Border Patrol was ordered to disband

2745
02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:26,400
Speaker 2: these teams, but Jen says they simply moved them somewhere

2746
02:31:26,440 --> 02:31:27,640
Speaker 2: else and gave them a different name.

2747
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:30,800
Speaker 31: So then they said that they disbanded them because we

2748
02:31:30,879 --> 02:31:32,560
Speaker 31: brought the truth out and how they did all this

2749
02:31:33,120 --> 02:31:36,119
Speaker 31: and we proved it. But what they actually did is

2750
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:38,600
Speaker 31: they did a retention. So they had the Border Patrol

2751
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:42,280
Speaker 31: agents resign from the Border Patrol and move over to

2752
02:31:42,360 --> 02:31:45,959
Speaker 31: cbp OPR and we hired them under there. So the

2753
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:50,680
Speaker 31: team that likely went to go investigate the tahonum Otem killing,

2754
02:31:51,400 --> 02:31:57,360
Speaker 31: I believe his name is Matia Matia Raymond Matia is

2755
02:31:57,600 --> 02:32:01,879
Speaker 31: likely the Border Patrol fit teams. So if the Border

2756
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:04,240
Speaker 31: Patrol agents, a lot of people don't understand it's like

2757
02:32:04,240 --> 02:32:07,800
Speaker 31: a cult, you know. They always say you blee green,

2758
02:32:08,160 --> 02:32:10,119
Speaker 31: you know, and you don't go back hung green, and

2759
02:32:10,280 --> 02:32:12,879
Speaker 31: probably one of the few that ever left, you know,

2760
02:32:13,160 --> 02:32:14,640
Speaker 31: and tells the truth about it.

2761
02:32:15,000 --> 02:32:17,680
Speaker 2: Of Course, the vast majority of people whose families will

2762
02:32:17,680 --> 02:32:20,640
Speaker 2: never find justice because of these cit teams are not white,

2763
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:23,720
Speaker 2: and of course Border Patrol has long rooted links to

2764
02:32:23,720 --> 02:32:27,800
Speaker 2: white nationalism. In nineteen seventy seven, about forty five minutes

2765
02:32:27,800 --> 02:32:30,360
Speaker 2: from San Diego and another forty five minutes from Komba.

2766
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:33,400
Speaker 2: David Duke, Grand Dragon of the Knights of the klu

2767
02:32:33,480 --> 02:32:36,520
Speaker 2: Klux Klan at the time, announced the official beginning of

2768
02:32:36,600 --> 02:32:40,760
Speaker 2: Clan Border Watch. You claim there were hundreds of Klansmen

2769
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:43,680
Speaker 2: on the border, but local newspapers The Desert Sun reported

2770
02:32:43,720 --> 02:32:47,119
Speaker 2: that there were in reality at least ten are quote

2771
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:49,240
Speaker 2: directly from the Desert Suns reporting at a time here,

2772
02:32:50,320 --> 02:32:53,240
Speaker 2: Duke said clansmen would refrain from direct contact with illegal

2773
02:32:53,280 --> 02:32:56,400
Speaker 2: aliens if any have found. He said klansmen would not

2774
02:32:56,480 --> 02:33:00,000
Speaker 2: talk to them or contact them, but if any illegal crossings,

2775
02:33:00,440 --> 02:33:02,960
Speaker 2: they're going to use CBE radios to relate the information

2776
02:33:03,080 --> 02:33:07,879
Speaker 2: to border patrol, Duke said. Duke of Metairie, Louisiana, claimed

2777
02:33:07,879 --> 02:33:10,200
Speaker 2: the clan has the support of the American people and

2778
02:33:10,320 --> 02:33:12,959
Speaker 2: helping the border patrol stem the influx of illegal aliens

2779
02:33:12,959 --> 02:33:16,480
Speaker 2: into this country. He claimed, the illegal aliens take jobs

2780
02:33:16,480 --> 02:33:21,280
Speaker 2: away from US citizens. We feel this rising tide washing

2781
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:23,520
Speaker 2: over our border is going to affect our culture, he

2782
02:33:23,560 --> 02:33:26,080
Speaker 2: told reporters at the time, in a statement that wouldn't

2783
02:33:26,080 --> 02:33:29,240
Speaker 2: sound out of place on Fox News Today. In response,

2784
02:33:29,280 --> 02:33:31,800
Speaker 2: more than one thousand, five hundred brown Berries threatened to

2785
02:33:31,879 --> 02:33:34,800
Speaker 2: rally against Duke. A protest far out numbering his patrols,

2786
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:38,119
Speaker 2: popped up along the border in the late nineteen seventies

2787
02:33:38,120 --> 02:33:41,320
Speaker 2: and early nineteen eighties. Texas Knights of the KKK leader

2788
02:33:41,360 --> 02:33:43,879
Speaker 2: Louis Beam, a Vietnam War veteran who had helped to

2789
02:33:43,959 --> 02:33:47,960
Speaker 2: organize and promote Duke's border stunt, established paramilitary camps around

2790
02:33:48,000 --> 02:33:50,240
Speaker 2: Texas and trained children as young as eight in the

2791
02:33:50,280 --> 02:33:54,720
Speaker 2: deadly guerrilla warfare tactics he learned overseas. He rallied white

2792
02:33:54,760 --> 02:34:01,400
Speaker 2: fishermen against Vietnamese migrants and burned their boats. In twenty nineteen,

2793
02:34:01,959 --> 02:34:05,320
Speaker 2: a border patrol agent from Logali's named Matthew Bowen was

2794
02:34:05,320 --> 02:34:08,160
Speaker 2: accused of knocking down Aguaatemela Maunt with his vehicle and

2795
02:34:08,160 --> 02:34:12,000
Speaker 2: then lying to a quarter about the incident. The prosecutors

2796
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:15,760
Speaker 2: in the case showed the jury text Bowen sent, including

2797
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:19,760
Speaker 2: one which called migrants quote disgusting sub human shit, unworthy

2798
02:34:19,760 --> 02:34:23,480
Speaker 2: of being kindling for a fire. In several text messages,

2799
02:34:23,840 --> 02:34:27,800
Speaker 2: Bowen references quote tonks. This is a derogatory term for

2800
02:34:27,879 --> 02:34:31,120
Speaker 2: border crossing migrants. The origins are determined a little bit unclear,

2801
02:34:31,160 --> 02:34:33,360
Speaker 2: but it seems to be derived from the sound of

2802
02:34:33,360 --> 02:34:37,720
Speaker 2: a flashlight hitting the back of someone's head. In argument

2803
02:34:37,720 --> 02:34:41,160
Speaker 2: against submitting the texts, defense lawyer Sean Chapman wrote that

2804
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:44,720
Speaker 2: he would argue certain terms are quote commonplace throughout the

2805
02:34:44,720 --> 02:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Border Patrols tuson sector. This is part of the agency's

2806
02:34:48,080 --> 02:34:52,640
Speaker 2: culture and therefore it says nothing about mister Bowen's mindset. Genss'

2807
02:34:52,760 --> 02:34:54,760
Speaker 2: kind of language and attitude was not uncommon in her

2808
02:34:54,760 --> 02:34:56,840
Speaker 2: time in border patrol from the mid nineties to the

2809
02:34:56,840 --> 02:34:59,240
Speaker 2: early two thousands, but things have got worse since.

2810
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:02,720
Speaker 31: There have been some definite changes in the Border Patrol,

2811
02:35:02,840 --> 02:35:06,040
Speaker 31: in the training from before nine to eleven to after

2812
02:35:06,160 --> 02:35:11,760
Speaker 31: nine to eleven, and what you also see so their

2813
02:35:11,800 --> 02:35:15,959
Speaker 31: vocabulary has changed. So like they refer to migrants and

2814
02:35:16,000 --> 02:35:19,240
Speaker 31: asylum seekercs invaders. We never use that term prior to

2815
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:23,920
Speaker 31: nine to eleven, and we did have racist words that

2816
02:35:23,959 --> 02:35:26,720
Speaker 31: we used for them, and I use them as well.

2817
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:27,760
Speaker 31: I'm not denying there.

2818
02:35:28,440 --> 02:35:30,959
Speaker 2: Of course, this kind of language isn't just restricted to

2819
02:35:30,959 --> 02:35:31,600
Speaker 2: border patrol.

2820
02:35:32,400 --> 02:35:39,920
Speaker 25: The US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems.

2821
02:35:43,760 --> 02:35:49,800
Speaker 25: I care, it's true, and these are the best and

2822
02:35:49,879 --> 02:35:54,480
Speaker 25: the finest. When Mexico sends its people they're not sending

2823
02:35:54,520 --> 02:35:55,200
Speaker 25: their best.

2824
02:35:55,680 --> 02:35:58,080
Speaker 2: They're not sending you. They're not sending you.

2825
02:35:59,200 --> 02:36:03,280
Speaker 25: They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're

2826
02:36:03,320 --> 02:36:09,320
Speaker 25: bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime,

2827
02:36:09,879 --> 02:36:13,400
Speaker 25: their rapists, and some I assumer good people.

2828
02:36:14,040 --> 02:36:16,440
Speaker 2: There has been white supremacist violence at the border ever

2829
02:36:16,480 --> 02:36:19,720
Speaker 2: since Duke and long before. Often it's been at the

2830
02:36:19,720 --> 02:36:22,080
Speaker 2: hands of groups outside of the state. Sometimes it's been

2831
02:36:22,120 --> 02:36:25,240
Speaker 2: at the hands of the state. In Arizona, groups like

2832
02:36:25,280 --> 02:36:28,600
Speaker 2: Arizona Border Ricon and Minute Men American Defense have terrorized

2833
02:36:28,640 --> 02:36:33,040
Speaker 2: border communities for decades, engage renewed momentum from Trump's consistent

2834
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:36,160
Speaker 2: demonization of migrants. I spent a bit of time looking

2835
02:36:36,200 --> 02:36:38,040
Speaker 2: for them in the desert in Arizona last week, but

2836
02:36:38,080 --> 02:36:41,200
Speaker 2: I didn't see much, not that I really wanted to.

2837
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:45,200
Speaker 2: Interaction with these militias, probably far more often than we

2838
02:36:45,200 --> 02:36:48,640
Speaker 2: have documented evidence for, can be fatal, just like interaction

2839
02:36:48,720 --> 02:36:53,080
Speaker 2: with customs and border protection. Here's just one example, called

2840
02:36:53,080 --> 02:36:56,040
Speaker 2: from David Newitt's a excellent book, and help followed with her.

2841
02:36:58,120 --> 02:37:01,880
Speaker 2: On May thirtieth, two thousand and nine. Seana Ford, Jason

2842
02:37:01,920 --> 02:37:06,360
Speaker 2: Eugene Bush, and Albert Gacxiola. All members of Ford's vigilante

2843
02:37:06,360 --> 02:37:09,360
Speaker 2: group minu at Man American Defense, forced their way into

2844
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:13,560
Speaker 2: Raoul Flores Junior's home in Alavika, Arizona, by pretending to

2845
02:37:13,560 --> 02:37:16,600
Speaker 2: be Border Patrol agents. The group planned to steal and

2846
02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:19,400
Speaker 2: sell drugs they thought Flores had in his house. The

2847
02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:22,359
Speaker 2: FBI knew about this, but did nothing to stop them.

2848
02:37:22,600 --> 02:37:25,640
Speaker 2: Finding no drugs in the house, c vigilantes murdered Flores

2849
02:37:25,879 --> 02:37:30,080
Speaker 2: and his nine year old daughter, Bricennia, Flora's wife and

2850
02:37:30,160 --> 02:37:34,760
Speaker 2: Briisenia's mother, Gina Marie Gonzalez, was shot three times. She

2851
02:37:34,840 --> 02:37:38,400
Speaker 2: played dead, but when attackers returned, she exchanged fire with them,

2852
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:42,119
Speaker 2: using her husband's handgun. In doing so, she hit Bush.

2853
02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:45,160
Speaker 2: Bush had previously been charged with a September nineteen ninety

2854
02:37:45,160 --> 02:37:48,440
Speaker 2: seven execution of an Aryan Nation associate for the supposed

2855
02:37:48,480 --> 02:37:53,039
Speaker 2: crime of being a race traitor. Both Ford and Bush

2856
02:37:53,200 --> 02:37:56,520
Speaker 2: are currently on death row in Arizona. The k k

2857
02:37:56,720 --> 02:37:59,920
Speaker 2: K was not the only group recruiting children for border patrolling.

2858
02:38:00,400 --> 02:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Since the mid nineteen eighties, the Border Patrol's Explorer Program

2859
02:38:03,800 --> 02:38:07,000
Speaker 2: has recruited young men and women of high school age.

2860
02:38:07,120 --> 02:38:09,520
Speaker 2: The program is charted through learning for Life, which is

2861
02:38:09,560 --> 02:38:13,400
Speaker 2: a subsidiary of the Scouts from America for kids, often

2862
02:38:13,440 --> 02:38:16,520
Speaker 2: the children of immigrants living in border towns where industry

2863
02:38:16,520 --> 02:38:18,160
Speaker 2: has long since gone in a decent wag it is

2864
02:38:18,200 --> 02:38:20,840
Speaker 2: hard to come by. The program offers the chance at

2865
02:38:20,840 --> 02:38:24,000
Speaker 2: a starting salary of sixty two thousand dollars twice a

2866
02:38:24,120 --> 02:38:27,760
Speaker 2: median income in some of these towns. Young Explorers will

2867
02:38:27,800 --> 02:38:31,680
Speaker 2: learn tracking, survival, shooting, and how to detain and process

2868
02:38:31,680 --> 02:38:35,000
Speaker 2: on documented migrants, people who in some cases are walking

2869
02:38:35,000 --> 02:38:38,240
Speaker 2: in the footsteps of their own parents. According to an

2870
02:38:38,320 --> 02:38:41,000
Speaker 2: article by Moray Music in the Nation, young Explorers have

2871
02:38:41,080 --> 02:38:43,240
Speaker 2: to earn the writer to their uniform by participating in

2872
02:38:43,320 --> 02:38:47,199
Speaker 2: their sixty hour Basic Explorer Academy, of which they learned

2873
02:38:47,240 --> 02:38:51,560
Speaker 2: CPR drills and the methods of conducting vehicle stops. It

2874
02:38:51,600 --> 02:38:55,480
Speaker 2: also offers courses in radio communications, public speaking, report writing,

2875
02:38:55,680 --> 02:38:59,080
Speaker 2: and ethics and integrity, and introduces the youth to criminal

2876
02:38:59,240 --> 02:39:03,160
Speaker 2: juvenile immigration, a Fourth Amendment law. What I was writing

2877
02:39:03,320 --> 02:39:05,640
Speaker 2: so checked out the San Diego sector page. We seem

2878
02:39:05,680 --> 02:39:08,080
Speaker 2: to show young people running, shooting and one who looks

2879
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:10,200
Speaker 2: like he's just been mased in the face. The next

2880
02:39:10,240 --> 02:39:12,600
Speaker 2: photo on the Facebook page dedicated to this Border Patrol

2881
02:39:12,680 --> 02:39:15,600
Speaker 2: sector shows a man in handcuffs above. This is a

2882
02:39:15,680 --> 02:39:17,360
Speaker 2: video of someone dropping a chilt from the top of

2883
02:39:17,400 --> 02:39:20,920
Speaker 2: the border fence. Without figures from the CVP. It's hard

2884
02:39:20,920 --> 02:39:23,240
Speaker 2: to tell if participation in the Explorers has dropped as

2885
02:39:23,280 --> 02:39:26,880
Speaker 2: public awareness of family separation assault now the behavior doesn't

2886
02:39:26,879 --> 02:39:29,440
Speaker 2: exactly fit with the Border Patrol's motto on a first

2887
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:32,480
Speaker 2: has spread. I asked Jen for her take on the

2888
02:39:32,520 --> 02:39:33,640
Speaker 2: Explorer program.

2889
02:39:33,840 --> 02:39:36,120
Speaker 31: Well, I call it Border Patrol youth because it reminds

2890
02:39:36,160 --> 02:39:37,680
Speaker 31: me a lot of the hip Er youth, where we

2891
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:41,240
Speaker 31: go into the high schools and we get the kids

2892
02:39:41,320 --> 02:39:45,400
Speaker 31: that are in trouble, and typically they are Latino dominant

2893
02:39:45,480 --> 02:39:49,360
Speaker 31: high schools, and we teach them how to be many

2894
02:39:49,400 --> 02:39:51,800
Speaker 31: Border Patrol agents, and we teach them to hate somebody

2895
02:39:51,840 --> 02:39:55,320
Speaker 31: else instead of themselves. So we indoctrinate them into the

2896
02:39:55,400 --> 02:39:58,119
Speaker 31: same stuff that I was indoctrinating too. But it's even

2897
02:39:58,160 --> 02:40:00,320
Speaker 31: gone so far now as to they do the dog

2898
02:40:00,360 --> 02:40:02,800
Speaker 31: and pony shows at the elementary school, so they're getting

2899
02:40:02,800 --> 02:40:06,480
Speaker 31: them when they're like six seven years old, and they

2900
02:40:06,560 --> 02:40:09,600
Speaker 31: go there with a little Border Patrol bulletproof fessed and

2901
02:40:09,640 --> 02:40:11,480
Speaker 31: put them on them and take pictures and put it

2902
02:40:11,520 --> 02:40:14,080
Speaker 31: on social media, and they have them sit in their

2903
02:40:14,120 --> 02:40:16,600
Speaker 31: trucks and turn the signs on and all this other stuff.

2904
02:40:16,840 --> 02:40:19,840
Speaker 2: That indoctrination is crucial to Border patrol culture, and to

2905
02:40:19,879 --> 02:40:21,640
Speaker 2: be honest, the reason I wanted to talk to Jen

2906
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:25,000
Speaker 2: was to understand it better. In Occomber, i'd seen a

2907
02:40:25,040 --> 02:40:30,160
Speaker 2: young Border Patrol agent, a woman giving volunteers rights. I'm

2908
02:40:30,200 --> 02:40:32,280
Speaker 2: not about to get into a Border Patrol truck myself,

2909
02:40:32,320 --> 02:40:34,199
Speaker 2: and I wasn't going to get a responsive by asked

2910
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:35,960
Speaker 2: the agent how she squared up her role in holding

2911
02:40:35,959 --> 02:40:38,439
Speaker 2: people in the desert with the fact that some volunteers

2912
02:40:38,480 --> 02:40:41,840
Speaker 2: said she'd spend her own money buying supplies. Jen said

2913
02:40:41,879 --> 02:40:43,600
Speaker 2: that this kind of behavior can be pretty common with

2914
02:40:43,640 --> 02:40:44,320
Speaker 2: young agents.

2915
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:47,039
Speaker 31: I had intended to go to law school to be

2916
02:40:47,040 --> 02:40:49,279
Speaker 31: a civil rights attorney when I joined the Border Patrol,

2917
02:40:49,480 --> 02:40:55,480
Speaker 31: and for me, I ignored my core values and ignored that

2918
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:58,800
Speaker 31: I was enforcing laws that sent thousands of human beings

2919
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:02,280
Speaker 31: to their death because I felt like I was trying

2920
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:05,240
Speaker 31: to survive. I was raped in the academy by a

2921
02:41:05,280 --> 02:41:09,440
Speaker 31: fellow agent, and they covered that up, and I was

2922
02:41:09,560 --> 02:41:12,120
Speaker 31: really trying to get out of the South and start

2923
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:15,760
Speaker 31: my life. I oft would say, like, especially with female agents,

2924
02:41:15,800 --> 02:41:18,320
Speaker 31: they calls it's five percent, because there's never been more

2925
02:41:18,360 --> 02:41:21,680
Speaker 31: than five percent of women in the Border Patrol rings.

2926
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:23,600
Speaker 31: And they say, oh, it's because it's very hard. It's

2927
02:41:23,600 --> 02:41:25,400
Speaker 31: not because it's very hard. I mean, it is very

2928
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:28,400
Speaker 31: hard to get through, but it's also it's because they're

2929
02:41:28,440 --> 02:41:31,039
Speaker 31: actually assaulting us all the time in the academy and

2930
02:41:31,240 --> 02:41:35,400
Speaker 31: lansing us. So I go back and forth in my mind,

2931
02:41:35,440 --> 02:41:37,520
Speaker 31: and I would imagine this young woman, you know, she

2932
02:41:37,640 --> 02:41:41,920
Speaker 31: has days where she arrests some pretty decent criminals every

2933
02:41:41,959 --> 02:41:43,560
Speaker 31: now and then once in a blue moon, but the

2934
02:41:43,560 --> 02:41:48,680
Speaker 31: majority of them, if she's paying attention and not completely

2935
02:41:48,680 --> 02:41:51,879
Speaker 31: self absorbed, she'll realize that that they're not criminals and

2936
02:41:51,879 --> 02:41:54,960
Speaker 31: their families just simply seeking a sound. So she at

2937
02:41:54,959 --> 02:41:58,920
Speaker 31: some point has to decide in her mind, is this

2938
02:41:59,080 --> 02:42:01,320
Speaker 31: what I got in two? Is this what I want

2939
02:42:01,400 --> 02:42:02,879
Speaker 31: to do with my life?

2940
02:42:03,520 --> 02:42:05,720
Speaker 2: In the wake of nine to eleven, and quite tellingly,

2941
02:42:06,160 --> 02:42:08,840
Speaker 2: the Border Patrol moved from oversight by the Department of

2942
02:42:08,959 --> 02:42:12,199
Speaker 2: Justice to the new Department of Homeland Security. This move

2943
02:42:12,600 --> 02:42:15,760
Speaker 2: from Justice as Security has been echoed in its recruiting,

2944
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:19,039
Speaker 2: which once drew heavily on those of humanitarian aid experience,

2945
02:42:19,600 --> 02:42:21,360
Speaker 2: and now tries to appeal to veterans of the two

2946
02:42:21,400 --> 02:42:23,920
Speaker 2: decades of war that have accompanied the growth of DHS

2947
02:42:23,959 --> 02:42:28,600
Speaker 2: Since two thousand and one. When the DHS was first established,

2948
02:42:28,680 --> 02:42:31,560
Speaker 2: the name struck many as problematic. In the two thousand

2949
02:42:31,560 --> 02:42:34,200
Speaker 2: and two article in The New York Times, Elizabeth Becker

2950
02:42:34,440 --> 02:42:36,600
Speaker 2: wrote that the name had worrying similarities to the way

2951
02:42:36,600 --> 02:42:39,560
Speaker 2: the Nazis talked about their fatherland, and it didn't really

2952
02:42:39,600 --> 02:42:42,920
Speaker 2: fit with the way Americans spoke. Nobody in two thousand

2953
02:42:42,920 --> 02:42:45,560
Speaker 2: and one was talking about the homeland. But two decades

2954
02:42:45,600 --> 02:42:47,840
Speaker 2: and billions of dollars later, it's hard to find much

2955
02:42:47,879 --> 02:42:49,680
Speaker 2: in the way of criticism of the agency in DC

2956
02:42:50,320 --> 02:42:52,360
Speaker 2: despite the fact that the twenty twenty two budgets of

2957
02:42:52,400 --> 02:42:55,959
Speaker 2: CBP and ICE was sixteen and eight billion, respectively, and

2958
02:42:56,120 --> 02:42:59,080
Speaker 2: every year since two thousand and one, DHS has obtained

2959
02:42:59,120 --> 02:43:02,840
Speaker 2: more guns, more drones, a more surveillance technology that is

2960
02:43:02,879 --> 02:43:05,920
Speaker 2: inevitably used to spy on citizens as well as non citizens.

2961
02:43:07,840 --> 02:43:11,320
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, there are about four thousand CBP agents.

2962
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:15,160
Speaker 2: By twenty twenty there were twenty thousand, with seventeen thousand

2963
02:43:15,240 --> 02:43:18,119
Speaker 2: station on the southern border. This is a slight drop

2964
02:43:18,160 --> 02:43:20,800
Speaker 2: from a peak of just over twenty one thousand. Under Obama,

2965
02:43:21,160 --> 02:43:23,440
Speaker 2: who is often called the deporter in Chief, is fondness

2966
02:43:23,480 --> 02:43:26,440
Speaker 2: for expelling people from the United States for crimes like

2967
02:43:26,640 --> 02:43:30,560
Speaker 2: having a PieP or financial misconduct, the so called aggravated

2968
02:43:30,600 --> 02:43:34,480
Speaker 2: felonies and crimes of moral turpitude that only exist for

2969
02:43:34,520 --> 02:43:38,040
Speaker 2: non citizens. These agents today have the ability to operate

2970
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:41,640
Speaker 2: in what the ACLU calls a constitution free zone and

2971
02:43:41,720 --> 02:43:45,760
Speaker 2: can conduct suspicion free searches of electronic devices, use cell

2972
02:43:45,800 --> 02:43:48,920
Speaker 2: site simulators, and sweep up data about thousands of people

2973
02:43:49,000 --> 02:43:51,760
Speaker 2: never accused of any crime. One of the more notable

2974
02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,080
Speaker 2: examples of this happened only a few yards from whereas

2975
02:43:54,080 --> 02:43:57,440
Speaker 2: recording last week in Santasidro. It's a story worth recounting

2976
02:43:57,440 --> 02:44:00,360
Speaker 2: in detail because it brings together the themes we've spoken

2977
02:44:00,360 --> 02:44:04,520
Speaker 2: about so far, demonization of migrants, government overreach, and a

2978
02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:08,920
Speaker 2: frank disregard for international and national law. In late twenty eighteen,

2979
02:44:09,400 --> 02:44:11,199
Speaker 2: I was enjoying a break from work in a caravan

2980
02:44:11,200 --> 02:44:13,680
Speaker 2: near in Sonata. If you think back to that time,

2981
02:44:13,920 --> 02:44:16,160
Speaker 2: right before the mid terms, you might remember some of

2982
02:44:16,160 --> 02:44:18,760
Speaker 2: the rhetorics was circulated around large group of migrants making

2983
02:44:18,760 --> 02:44:21,200
Speaker 2: their way to the southern border. I'll play some of

2984
02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:23,480
Speaker 2: the clips from Fox that MPR cut together in their

2985
02:44:23,480 --> 02:44:24,520
Speaker 2: coverage of the issue.

2986
02:44:24,800 --> 02:44:30,880
Speaker 19: The sympathetic, overwrought coverage of this invading horde is calling

2987
02:44:30,920 --> 02:44:33,840
Speaker 19: it a caravan is a misnomer in a frankly.

2988
02:44:33,560 --> 02:44:36,560
Speaker 32: Sickness or sample that Chipper Morning Show, Fox and Friends.

2989
02:44:36,600 --> 02:44:39,080
Speaker 12: I've gotten so many email from people who said, don't

2990
02:44:39,080 --> 02:44:42,080
Speaker 12: call it a caravan, call it an invasion.

2991
02:44:42,320 --> 02:44:42,560
Speaker 10: Yes?

2992
02:44:42,720 --> 02:44:43,320
Speaker 4: Is that fair?

2993
02:44:43,440 --> 02:44:46,640
Speaker 32: Host Steve Doocy put the question to conservative pundit Michelle Malkin.

2994
02:44:46,879 --> 02:44:47,560
Speaker 1: Of course it is.

2995
02:44:47,640 --> 02:44:50,640
Speaker 20: It is a full scale invasion by a hostile force,

2996
02:44:50,920 --> 02:44:53,760
Speaker 20: and it requires our president and our commander in chief

2997
02:44:53,800 --> 02:44:56,720
Speaker 20: to use any means necessary to protect our sovereignty.

2998
02:44:56,800 --> 02:44:59,960
Speaker 32: CNN's Brian Stelter found that Fox News featured segments using

2999
02:45:00,080 --> 02:45:02,879
Speaker 32: the phrase invasion more than sixty times this month about

3000
02:45:02,920 --> 02:45:06,720
Speaker 32: the migrants. On Fox Business Network, lou Dobbs's program invoked

3001
02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:10,039
Speaker 32: it dozens of times. Trump ordered five thousand troops to

3002
02:45:10,040 --> 02:45:12,760
Speaker 32: the border. He tweeted yesterday, quote, this is an invasion

3003
02:45:12,879 --> 02:45:15,760
Speaker 32: of our country, and Trump has, without evidence, claimed gang

3004
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:19,440
Speaker 32: members and criminals and Middle Easterners are among them. Over

3005
02:45:19,480 --> 02:45:23,400
Speaker 32: On Fox, guests have similarly, without supporting facts, suggested people

3006
02:45:23,400 --> 02:45:26,080
Speaker 32: from Isis and the Taliban might be among those migrants.

3007
02:45:26,640 --> 02:45:29,840
Speaker 32: Even so, the network's chief news anchor, Shepherd Smith, tried

3008
02:45:29,840 --> 02:45:31,199
Speaker 32: to put on the brakes yesterday.

3009
02:45:31,360 --> 02:45:36,440
Speaker 13: Tomorrow is one week before the midterm election, which is

3010
02:45:36,480 --> 02:45:39,920
Speaker 13: what all of this is about. There is no invasion,

3011
02:45:40,959 --> 02:45:44,000
Speaker 13: no one's coming to get you. There's nothing at all

3012
02:45:44,040 --> 02:45:44,680
Speaker 13: to worry about.

3013
02:45:44,800 --> 02:45:47,760
Speaker 32: This month, Fox hosts and guests have repeatedly questions whether

3014
02:45:47,760 --> 02:45:51,480
Speaker 32: the migrants might bring in infectious diseases, again without evidence.

3015
02:45:51,879 --> 02:45:53,480
Speaker 32: Laura Ingram, we don't.

3016
02:45:53,280 --> 02:45:56,120
Speaker 19: Know what people have coming in here. We have diseases

3017
02:45:56,120 --> 02:45:58,160
Speaker 19: in this country we haven't had for decades.

3018
02:45:58,680 --> 02:46:00,760
Speaker 2: I'll leave you to price. I seeing credible arroony of

3019
02:46:00,760 --> 02:46:03,000
Speaker 2: the network that killed the decent percentage of its viewers

3020
02:46:03,040 --> 02:46:06,320
Speaker 2: by denying that COVID was serious or a disease, or

3021
02:46:06,360 --> 02:46:10,080
Speaker 2: the vaccines and masks are useful panicking about infectious diseases.

3022
02:46:10,200 --> 02:46:13,360
Speaker 2: Just two years before the pandemic began, the Tree of

3023
02:46:13,360 --> 02:46:15,520
Speaker 2: Life shooter who we won't name here, who is currently

3024
02:46:15,560 --> 02:46:17,800
Speaker 2: facing a death penalty trial for murdering eleven people in

3025
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:21,160
Speaker 2: a Pittsburgh synagogue was obsessed with the caravan. The victims

3026
02:46:21,160 --> 02:46:23,560
Speaker 2: of the largest anti Semitic mass murder in US history

3027
02:46:23,920 --> 02:46:27,480
Speaker 2: included a beloved community doctor, a great grandmother, and a

3028
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:29,720
Speaker 2: couple who'd gotten married at the same synagogue more than

3029
02:46:29,760 --> 02:46:33,480
Speaker 2: sixty years earlier. The shooter's last post on hate speech

3030
02:46:33,560 --> 02:46:36,959
Speaker 2: social media site gab, posted just minutes before the synagogue

3031
02:46:37,000 --> 02:46:40,320
Speaker 2: massacre began, spells it out with a reference to the

3032
02:46:40,360 --> 02:46:44,560
Speaker 2: Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, the Jewish nonprofit that resettles refugees

3033
02:46:44,600 --> 02:46:47,680
Speaker 2: in the United States. HIAS liked to bring invaders to

3034
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:50,080
Speaker 2: kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my

3035
02:46:50,120 --> 02:46:53,920
Speaker 2: people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in. The

3036
02:46:53,920 --> 02:46:56,200
Speaker 2: shooter was obsessed with the idea that a caravan of

3037
02:46:56,200 --> 02:46:58,120
Speaker 2: migrants with not a group of people trying to save

3038
02:46:58,160 --> 02:47:01,360
Speaker 2: their own lives, but a coordinate and somehow you led

3039
02:47:01,400 --> 02:47:05,560
Speaker 2: invasion an attempt to demographically restructure the United States. If

3040
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:07,800
Speaker 2: you're ending where he got that idea from, he is

3041
02:47:07,800 --> 02:47:10,440
Speaker 2: America's favorite jobs, you get Tucker Calson on the caravan.

3042
02:47:10,920 --> 02:47:14,320
Speaker 12: Over the past month, a caravan of Central American migrants

3043
02:47:14,320 --> 02:47:16,959
Speaker 12: has gradually made its way up from Honduras through Mexico

3044
02:47:17,400 --> 02:47:20,720
Speaker 12: all the way to Tijuana opposite San Diego. At one point,

3045
02:47:20,760 --> 02:47:24,440
Speaker 12: Mexican authorities claimed they broke up the group, and American media,

3046
02:47:24,480 --> 02:47:27,760
Speaker 12: of course, dutifully reported that they did, but they didn't.

3047
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:30,440
Speaker 12: That was just a pr gesture and a temporary one.

3048
02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:34,199
Speaker 12: In fact, during parts of the trip, Mexican police escorted

3049
02:47:34,240 --> 02:47:37,640
Speaker 12: the migrants northwards. In other words, the Mexican government abedded

3050
02:47:37,640 --> 02:47:40,440
Speaker 12: illegal immigration into this country, as it has done for

3051
02:47:40,520 --> 02:47:44,000
Speaker 12: many years. Well tonight, the caravan is on our southern border.

3052
02:47:44,200 --> 02:47:46,760
Speaker 12: Rather than wait for the crossing station a Sanya Sidro

3053
02:47:46,879 --> 02:47:49,800
Speaker 12: to open, many of them just jumped the fence. Some

3054
02:47:50,080 --> 02:47:53,280
Speaker 12: waved Honduran flags when they got to the top, And

3055
02:47:53,320 --> 02:47:56,040
Speaker 12: that tells you everything. When you arrive in a country

3056
02:47:56,080 --> 02:47:59,240
Speaker 12: to contribute to it and to assimilate into its culture,

3057
02:47:59,640 --> 02:48:02,400
Speaker 12: you don't waive the flag of a foreign nation. That's

3058
02:48:02,400 --> 02:48:05,280
Speaker 12: what you do in triumph, when you invader country.

3059
02:48:05,640 --> 02:48:07,760
Speaker 2: On my way home from Ensnado in twenty eighteen, I

3060
02:48:07,800 --> 02:48:10,920
Speaker 2: saw that quote invading Horde in the Benito Quada's sports

3061
02:48:10,959 --> 02:48:14,480
Speaker 2: complex and probably turned around and went back. My instinct

3062
02:48:14,520 --> 02:48:17,280
Speaker 2: as a journalist is to cover things like this, but

3063
02:48:17,280 --> 02:48:20,039
Speaker 2: my instinct is the person is to help first. On

3064
02:48:20,120 --> 02:48:21,959
Speaker 2: the first day, I was there with two friends I

3065
02:48:22,000 --> 02:48:24,360
Speaker 2: know from the weird world of pro cycling. Things were

3066
02:48:24,360 --> 02:48:27,440
Speaker 2: pretty bad. We'd obtained a backpack full of stroop waffles

3067
02:48:27,440 --> 02:48:29,280
Speaker 2: that a friend who makes stroop waffles had given us.

3068
02:48:29,760 --> 02:48:31,600
Speaker 2: Once we gave those out, I talked to a few

3069
02:48:31,600 --> 02:48:34,440
Speaker 2: people about what they needed. We coordinated with mutual ad

3070
02:48:34,440 --> 02:48:36,800
Speaker 2: groups in Tijuana and offered support her for wee could.

3071
02:48:37,959 --> 02:48:39,560
Speaker 2: In the next few weeks, my friends and I spent

3072
02:48:39,600 --> 02:48:42,480
Speaker 2: tens of thousands of dollars at a Tijuana costco, received

3073
02:48:42,560 --> 02:48:44,760
Speaker 2: thousands of dollars in donations from people we hadn't seen

3074
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:47,640
Speaker 2: in years, and in one memorable instance, rigged up and

3075
02:48:47,680 --> 02:48:50,120
Speaker 2: projected as someone had tactically obtained from an office to

3076
02:48:50,160 --> 02:48:52,240
Speaker 2: a DVD player which we'd installed in the roof of

3077
02:48:52,200 --> 02:48:55,520
Speaker 2: a dilapidated nightclub for little children and their mothers so

3078
02:48:55,560 --> 02:48:58,000
Speaker 2: they could watch Beverly Hills, Chihuahua and forget about the

3079
02:48:58,000 --> 02:49:00,560
Speaker 2: fact that the country they were traveling to, portraying the

3080
02:49:00,720 --> 02:49:04,039
Speaker 2: little infants as invaders. Have a lot of very complicated

3081
02:49:04,120 --> 02:49:07,160
Speaker 2: memories of those few weeks. Little girls braiding my hair,

3082
02:49:08,000 --> 02:49:10,600
Speaker 2: little boys and girls trying to comprehend exactly how I

3083
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:13,200
Speaker 2: could be this bad at football, and people from San

3084
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:16,600
Speaker 2: Diego churches, tijuan anarchist kitchens and mutual a groups around

3085
02:49:16,640 --> 02:49:18,920
Speaker 2: the region coming together to look after a group of

3086
02:49:18,920 --> 02:49:21,320
Speaker 2: people who've been so heavily demonized by folks who had

3087
02:49:21,320 --> 02:49:24,520
Speaker 2: never met them or even been here. His Trump defending

3088
02:49:24,560 --> 02:49:28,000
Speaker 2: calling the caravan an invasion and simultaneously explaining why migrants

3089
02:49:28,040 --> 02:49:30,359
Speaker 2: low wage to labor it is desirable for people like him.

3090
02:49:30,680 --> 02:49:33,760
Speaker 34: Thank you, miss President. I challenge you on on one

3091
02:49:33,760 --> 02:49:35,720
Speaker 34: of the statements that you made in the tail end

3092
02:49:35,720 --> 02:49:40,080
Speaker 34: of the campaign in the midterms that here we go that, well,

3093
02:49:40,400 --> 02:49:43,120
Speaker 34: if you don't mind, miss president, that this caravan was

3094
02:49:43,160 --> 02:49:46,320
Speaker 34: an invasion, as you know, as you know, miss President,

3095
02:49:46,400 --> 02:49:48,959
Speaker 34: the caravan was not an invasion. It's a it's a

3096
02:49:48,959 --> 02:49:52,160
Speaker 34: a group of migrants moving up from Central America towards

3097
02:49:52,200 --> 02:49:56,080
Speaker 34: the border with the US. And why why did you

3098
02:49:56,160 --> 02:49:58,480
Speaker 34: why did you characterize it as such.

3099
02:49:59,440 --> 02:50:01,119
Speaker 15: As I can an invasion?

3100
02:50:01,160 --> 02:50:02,600
Speaker 18: You and I have a difference of a button.

3101
02:50:02,640 --> 02:50:06,840
Speaker 34: Do you think that you demonized immigrants to try.

3102
02:50:06,600 --> 02:50:08,800
Speaker 25: I want them, I want them to come into the country,

3103
02:50:08,800 --> 02:50:09,959
Speaker 25: but they have to come in legally.

3104
02:50:09,959 --> 02:50:11,959
Speaker 15: You know they have to come in Jim through a process.

3105
02:50:12,280 --> 02:50:14,760
Speaker 25: I wanted to be a process and I want people

3106
02:50:14,760 --> 02:50:15,200
Speaker 25: to come in.

3107
02:50:15,240 --> 02:50:16,040
Speaker 18: And we need the people.

3108
02:50:16,120 --> 02:50:17,920
Speaker 32: Your campaign, your campaign.

3109
02:50:18,120 --> 02:50:20,400
Speaker 25: You know why we need the people does because we

3110
02:50:20,440 --> 02:50:22,160
Speaker 25: have hundreds of companies moving in.

3111
02:50:22,280 --> 02:50:23,200
Speaker 18: We need the people.

3112
02:50:23,760 --> 02:50:26,040
Speaker 2: Trump, as you heard in the clip, used a migrant

3113
02:50:26,080 --> 02:50:28,720
Speaker 2: caravan and to prop for its racist and bigoted midterm campaign.

3114
02:50:29,360 --> 02:50:31,760
Speaker 2: It didn't work and he lost control of the House,

3115
02:50:31,879 --> 02:50:33,880
Speaker 2: but he did succeed in forcing these people to spend

3116
02:50:33,879 --> 02:50:37,039
Speaker 2: months in the cold, first in a sports stadium and

3117
02:50:37,080 --> 02:50:40,120
Speaker 2: then in an old nightclub. Even as a migrant gradually

3118
02:50:40,160 --> 02:50:42,600
Speaker 2: reduced in number, with many finding work and new life

3119
02:50:42,600 --> 02:50:46,320
Speaker 2: in Mexico, some finding their way north. The long legacy

3120
02:50:46,320 --> 02:50:49,240
Speaker 2: of that caravan was only just starting. In the months

3121
02:50:49,240 --> 02:50:51,960
Speaker 2: have followed journalists who'd cover the caravan, as well as

3122
02:50:51,959 --> 02:50:54,960
Speaker 2: those who offered assistant to caravan members, so they felt

3123
02:50:54,920 --> 02:50:58,360
Speaker 2: they've become targets of intense inspections of scrutiny by border officials.

3124
02:50:59,480 --> 02:51:01,800
Speaker 2: I got pulled into secondarily once during this time, and

3125
02:51:01,800 --> 02:51:04,120
Speaker 2: that was entering Mexaco. The worst I got was a

3126
02:51:04,200 --> 02:51:06,560
Speaker 2: chance to inspect my nineteen eighty pickup truck oil pen.

3127
02:51:07,120 --> 02:51:11,119
Speaker 2: But for others, things weren't so easy. Homeland Security Investigation

3128
02:51:11,240 --> 02:51:15,960
Speaker 2: special agent turned whistleblower Wesley Peternac helped NBC to document that,

3129
02:51:16,800 --> 02:51:19,039
Speaker 2: under the umbrella of what was called Operation Secure Line,

3130
02:51:19,040 --> 02:51:22,720
Speaker 2: the Department of Homeland Security created a database of activists, journalists,

3131
02:51:22,720 --> 02:51:26,240
Speaker 2: and social media influences tied to the migrant caraban When

3132
02:51:26,280 --> 02:51:29,080
Speaker 2: they crossed the border. Individuals in that database were often

3133
02:51:29,120 --> 02:51:32,040
Speaker 2: subjected to hours long screenings and in some cases had

3134
02:51:32,080 --> 02:51:36,080
Speaker 2: flags placed on their passports. A PowerPoint slideshow which Petanac

3135
02:51:36,120 --> 02:51:40,039
Speaker 2: leaked to NBC seven lists some of the people, some

3136
02:51:40,080 --> 02:51:42,959
Speaker 2: of them have been guests on this show. They include

3137
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:46,800
Speaker 2: ten journalists, seven of whom were US citizens, a US attorney,

3138
02:51:47,360 --> 02:51:49,680
Speaker 2: forty eight people from the US and other countries who

3139
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:55,000
Speaker 2: were labeled as organizers, instigators, or having unknown roles. The

3140
02:51:55,040 --> 02:51:58,600
Speaker 2: target lists also includes organizers from groups like Border Angels

3141
02:51:58,640 --> 02:52:02,080
Speaker 2: and Pueblos in Frontellas I asked journalist brook Ben Cowsey

3142
02:52:02,120 --> 02:52:05,119
Speaker 2: to describe her experience of increased border scrutiny in twenty eighteen.

3143
02:52:05,560 --> 02:52:07,760
Speaker 35: If you don't have a pre approved card, you have

3144
02:52:07,800 --> 02:52:09,440
Speaker 35: to like go through wait and line, wait in this

3145
02:52:09,640 --> 02:52:12,600
Speaker 35: long ass line, and then you know you go and

3146
02:52:12,640 --> 02:52:15,760
Speaker 35: get vetted by CDP. They ask you some questions or

3147
02:52:15,800 --> 02:52:17,320
Speaker 35: they just wave you through, depending on what kind of

3148
02:52:17,400 --> 02:52:20,600
Speaker 35: day they're having or whatever. So in my case, I

3149
02:52:20,600 --> 02:52:23,720
Speaker 35: started getting pulled into secondary inspection more and more. So

3150
02:52:23,760 --> 02:52:26,200
Speaker 35: they would wave my car over and then take me

3151
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:29,039
Speaker 35: into this secondary place where it's sort of like this

3152
02:52:29,240 --> 02:52:33,120
Speaker 35: back it's like a Quonsett pet sort of, and in

3153
02:52:33,200 --> 02:52:35,000
Speaker 35: it like all these cars drive in and out, and

3154
02:52:35,000 --> 02:52:38,119
Speaker 35: they'll they'll go through your things, they'll get in your face,

3155
02:52:38,400 --> 02:52:41,920
Speaker 35: you know, they'll do all kinds of stuff. And I

3156
02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:44,440
Speaker 35: don't there have to be cameras in there somewhere, but

3157
02:52:44,440 --> 02:52:47,520
Speaker 35: I've never seen any. So I just kept getting pulled

3158
02:52:47,520 --> 02:52:49,400
Speaker 35: into secondary more and more, as though I was this

3159
02:52:49,600 --> 02:52:52,400
Speaker 35: suspicious person, as though I was suspected of something, and

3160
02:52:52,440 --> 02:52:53,920
Speaker 35: every time I asked, they'd be like, I don't know,

3161
02:52:54,160 --> 02:52:56,560
Speaker 35: it's just random, ma'am, and ma'am, it's just random. So

3162
02:52:56,600 --> 02:52:59,600
Speaker 35: actually this started about twenty fourteen for me, but it

3163
02:52:59,640 --> 02:53:02,680
Speaker 35: started to escalate in twenty eighteen. Twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen

3164
02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:04,560
Speaker 35: started to escalate, and I was like, a fucking Trump

3165
02:53:04,560 --> 02:53:06,599
Speaker 35: administration of course going to escalate.

3166
02:53:06,320 --> 02:53:09,000
Speaker 2: Right under Trump. She said, things got worse.

3167
02:53:09,480 --> 02:53:11,760
Speaker 35: From twenty seventeen through twenty eighteen. It kind of worked

3168
02:53:11,760 --> 02:53:13,320
Speaker 35: where you pushed back and I'd be like, you need

3169
02:53:13,360 --> 02:53:16,400
Speaker 35: to let me fucking go. You know, I'm century, I'm

3170
02:53:16,400 --> 02:53:19,240
Speaker 35: already pre checked. If you think that there's something wrong

3171
02:53:19,240 --> 02:53:21,440
Speaker 35: that I'm doing, and take my fucking century away, and

3172
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:23,360
Speaker 35: I want to talk to your manager type stuff, right,

3173
02:53:23,400 --> 02:53:26,440
Speaker 35: So I was doing that. That worked until twenty eighteen,

3174
02:53:26,480 --> 02:53:27,800
Speaker 35: and then it started to get really gnarly.

3175
02:53:28,280 --> 02:53:30,480
Speaker 2: Eventually things came to a head the day before the

3176
02:53:30,480 --> 02:53:32,840
Speaker 2: migrants of the caravan were tear gassed. And I've seen

3177
02:53:32,879 --> 02:53:34,920
Speaker 2: most people remember from twenty eighteen.

3178
02:53:35,160 --> 02:53:39,000
Speaker 35: So but on that night, as I was coming back,

3179
02:53:39,920 --> 02:53:42,520
Speaker 35: I drove through and I did the Century thing, you know,

3180
02:53:42,600 --> 02:53:45,440
Speaker 35: the usual stuff, and got pulled into secondary. And this

3181
02:53:45,600 --> 02:53:49,360
Speaker 35: time it was really like gnarly. The time before that

3182
02:53:49,360 --> 02:53:51,920
Speaker 35: had also been really gnarly, like nobody hurt me, nobody

3183
02:53:51,959 --> 02:53:54,320
Speaker 35: did anything, but they got really close to my face,

3184
02:53:54,640 --> 02:53:57,440
Speaker 35: like right in my face, you know, and started screaming

3185
02:53:57,440 --> 02:53:59,640
Speaker 35: at me, like screaming over me. And I kept going,

3186
02:54:00,440 --> 02:54:02,760
Speaker 35: I'd like to speak to your manager, you know, sir,

3187
02:54:03,280 --> 02:54:06,440
Speaker 35: like please please get out of my face, sir. And

3188
02:54:07,879 --> 02:54:10,879
Speaker 35: it was it was gross, and they were going through

3189
02:54:10,879 --> 02:54:13,119
Speaker 35: my shit and that was gross, Like they didn't find anything,

3190
02:54:13,320 --> 02:54:17,040
Speaker 35: but it was just an invasive, hostile, disgusting thing. And

3191
02:54:17,080 --> 02:54:19,120
Speaker 35: that was when so I said, can I speak to

3192
02:54:19,120 --> 02:54:24,080
Speaker 35: your manager? Which is a magic phrase when you're a middle.

3193
02:54:23,879 --> 02:54:24,480
Speaker 8: Aged white woman.

3194
02:54:24,959 --> 02:54:27,800
Speaker 35: So I say this, and they bring over some guy

3195
02:54:28,480 --> 02:54:30,880
Speaker 35: and he goes, ma'am, can I help you? I'm like, yeah,

3196
02:54:30,920 --> 02:54:31,600
Speaker 35: what the fuck?

3197
02:54:31,920 --> 02:54:32,120
Speaker 21: You know?

3198
02:54:32,200 --> 02:54:35,400
Speaker 35: Why are you treating me this way? Why did any

3199
02:54:35,400 --> 02:54:37,680
Speaker 35: of this happen? And he goes, oh, yeah, I'm sorry.

3200
02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:38,760
Speaker 35: Your name's on a list somewhere.

3201
02:54:38,800 --> 02:54:39,480
Speaker 32: You've been flagged.

3202
02:54:39,680 --> 02:54:42,640
Speaker 35: And I'm like, so every time I've crossed, I've been

3203
02:54:42,680 --> 02:54:45,200
Speaker 35: flagged and he's like, yeah, and yeah, you've been. There's

3204
02:54:45,200 --> 02:54:47,640
Speaker 35: a flag on your passport or against your name and

3205
02:54:47,640 --> 02:54:50,640
Speaker 35: that's why. And I said, well, why is there a

3206
02:54:50,680 --> 02:54:53,240
Speaker 35: flag against my name? And he goes, I don't know,

3207
02:54:53,240 --> 02:54:55,360
Speaker 35: You're gonna have to do a Freedom of Information Act

3208
02:54:55,400 --> 02:54:57,240
Speaker 35: request or something. I don't even know if he knew

3209
02:54:57,280 --> 02:54:57,960
Speaker 35: I was a journalist.

3210
02:54:58,280 --> 02:55:01,879
Speaker 2: Sadly broke last crossing twenty and since I photographed those

3211
02:55:01,920 --> 02:55:04,640
Speaker 2: CUMEI folks in ceremony near Campo, the border wall has

3212
02:55:04,680 --> 02:55:07,600
Speaker 2: only got longer every mile it stretches out means another

3213
02:55:07,640 --> 02:55:09,800
Speaker 2: mile into the desert people have to walk, and that

3214
02:55:09,879 --> 02:55:12,320
Speaker 2: means that more people won't walk out of that desert,

3215
02:55:12,720 --> 02:55:15,480
Speaker 2: those people who lost their lives. An attempt to save them,

3216
02:55:15,800 --> 02:55:18,120
Speaker 2: a mark with little red dots on the various maps,

3217
02:55:18,120 --> 02:55:21,800
Speaker 2: an attempt to put the humanitarian crisis into a visual form.

3218
02:55:22,320 --> 02:55:25,320
Speaker 2: Those dots begin in South America's people die traveling north,

3219
02:55:25,840 --> 02:55:29,280
Speaker 2: but they're sparse and isolated. Where that changes is the

3220
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:33,600
Speaker 2: places I've been driving all week, Eastern California, southern Arizona.

3221
02:55:34,280 --> 02:55:37,000
Speaker 2: Places I know from years of hiking, climbing, and cycling,

3222
02:55:37,640 --> 02:55:40,879
Speaker 2: places when one mistake can be fatal. I know from

3223
02:55:40,879 --> 02:55:43,440
Speaker 2: my friends who spend time resupplying water caches and searching

3224
02:55:43,440 --> 02:55:45,760
Speaker 2: for missing people, that you don't have to make any

3225
02:55:45,800 --> 02:55:48,520
Speaker 2: mistakes to die in the desert, especially if you're young

3226
02:55:48,840 --> 02:55:51,720
Speaker 2: or old, or sick or afraid to ask for help.

3227
02:55:53,400 --> 02:55:55,520
Speaker 2: These are the places we force people to travel through

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02:55:55,680 --> 02:55:58,080
Speaker 2: on foot to come here and create a better future

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02:55:58,080 --> 02:56:03,160
Speaker 2: for themselves. Hydration, exposure and drowning or rank highly as

3230
02:56:03,160 --> 02:56:06,360
Speaker 2: caused a death along the border. Last year saw a

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02:56:06,400 --> 02:56:09,040
Speaker 2: record for border deaths, and with Biden attempting to take

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02:56:09,080 --> 02:56:12,080
Speaker 2: a hard line going into twenty twenty four, and climate

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02:56:12,160 --> 02:56:15,320
Speaker 2: change and instability continuing to drive migrants north to the

3234
02:56:15,360 --> 02:56:18,199
Speaker 2: place that causes so much of that climate change and instability,

3235
02:56:18,600 --> 02:56:22,000
Speaker 2: there's no reason to believe things will get better. I

3236
02:56:22,040 --> 02:56:24,960
Speaker 2: want to point to one tragic loss, one of thousands,

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02:56:25,120 --> 02:56:27,800
Speaker 2: that happened not far from where I live. In February

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02:56:27,800 --> 02:56:32,160
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty, Juana Margarita and Paula Santosar were traveling

3239
02:56:32,160 --> 02:56:34,680
Speaker 2: by foot from Wahaka to their future in the United

3240
02:56:34,680 --> 02:56:37,760
Speaker 2: States along a trail sometimes known as the Shrine Trail.

3241
02:56:38,480 --> 02:56:40,760
Speaker 2: Their family told media back home that they were searching

3242
02:56:40,760 --> 02:56:44,800
Speaker 2: for a Senor Americano the American Dream. Along their route

3243
02:56:45,000 --> 02:56:47,959
Speaker 2: is a small religious shrine which marks the last point

3244
02:56:48,000 --> 02:56:51,119
Speaker 2: from which you can see in Mexico. It's well inside

3245
02:56:51,160 --> 02:56:55,240
Speaker 2: the US along a dry creek bed in the Laguna Mountains.

3246
02:56:56,000 --> 02:56:57,720
Speaker 2: It can be hot in the summer and cold in

3247
02:56:57,720 --> 02:57:01,240
Speaker 2: the winter. Last November I can out there, and even

3248
02:57:01,240 --> 02:57:03,760
Speaker 2: with thousands of dollars in gear, I was dangerously close

3249
02:57:03,800 --> 02:57:07,880
Speaker 2: to cold injury. I've also rescued hikers with dehydration symptoms

3250
02:57:07,879 --> 02:57:11,800
Speaker 2: near here. The desert and the weather might be part

3251
02:57:11,840 --> 02:57:14,440
Speaker 2: of the story, but the desert doesn't kill people on

3252
02:57:14,480 --> 02:57:17,480
Speaker 2: its own. It's the border that forces people deep into

3253
02:57:17,480 --> 02:57:20,240
Speaker 2: the desert that kills them. The desert is just a

3254
02:57:20,280 --> 02:57:22,600
Speaker 2: tool for a system that uses death of the current.

3255
02:57:23,760 --> 02:57:25,520
Speaker 2: When the girls crossed the border near Campo on the

3256
02:57:25,600 --> 02:57:28,880
Speaker 2: ninth of February, it was raining. As they climbed the

3257
02:57:28,959 --> 02:57:32,120
Speaker 2: Laguna Mountains, it started to snow. They huddled under a

3258
02:57:32,160 --> 02:57:34,520
Speaker 2: bolder for warmth, and the two men smuggling them across

3259
02:57:34,520 --> 02:57:36,280
Speaker 2: struck out to get Star reception and call nine to

3260
02:57:36,320 --> 02:57:40,680
Speaker 2: one one. By the time bor Star Border Patrol Search

3261
02:57:40,760 --> 02:57:43,640
Speaker 2: Trauma and Rescue team arrived, two of the girls had

3262
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:46,840
Speaker 2: died as they tried to save Juana. Their request for

3263
02:57:46,879 --> 02:57:49,240
Speaker 2: air support was declined, and she died with one of

3264
02:57:49,240 --> 02:57:52,280
Speaker 2: the agent's jackkits wrapped around her and another agent's beanie

3265
02:57:52,320 --> 02:57:56,440
Speaker 2: on her head. For some reason, the girl's remains were

3266
02:57:56,440 --> 02:57:59,720
Speaker 2: not recovered right away, and they were not rewarmed, and

3267
02:57:59,800 --> 02:58:01,959
Speaker 2: so they last their last chance at the American dream

3268
02:58:02,320 --> 02:58:06,520
Speaker 2: and not life. Today, their final resting place is marked

3269
02:58:06,520 --> 02:58:09,480
Speaker 2: by three crosses and a cache of supplies placed there

3270
02:58:09,560 --> 02:58:13,360
Speaker 2: by volunteers. At the time I'm recording this, we don't

3271
02:58:13,400 --> 02:58:14,920
Speaker 2: know where all the folks we met at the border

3272
02:58:14,959 --> 02:58:18,400
Speaker 2: around now then we might never know. Not being able

3273
02:58:18,440 --> 02:58:21,000
Speaker 2: to follow stories is a sad part of this reporting.

3274
02:58:21,080 --> 02:58:23,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes knows people all have my phone number, but they

3275
02:58:24,000 --> 02:58:26,880
Speaker 2: might not. Only more have their phones or this scrap

3276
02:58:26,920 --> 02:58:29,640
Speaker 2: of paper are wroted on. Often these things can be

3277
02:58:29,640 --> 02:58:32,720
Speaker 2: taken for them in custody. What we do know is

3278
02:58:32,760 --> 02:58:35,360
Speaker 2: that on May eighteenth, exactly one week after Title forty

3279
02:58:35,360 --> 02:58:39,280
Speaker 2: two ended, Immigration and Customs Enforcement also known as ICE,

3280
02:58:39,640 --> 02:58:42,840
Speaker 2: tweeted a video of Customs Enforcement and Removal Operations agents

3281
02:58:43,320 --> 02:58:45,959
Speaker 2: walking down the corridor of a flight full of mass people.

3282
02:58:47,120 --> 02:58:52,280
Speaker 2: The caption read ICE conducted multiple removal flights including Ecuador, Guatemala,

3283
02:58:52,360 --> 02:58:55,320
Speaker 2: and Honduras as part of dozens flights conducted each week.

3284
02:58:56,160 --> 02:58:57,640
Speaker 2: On the wall of my office as I write this,

3285
02:58:58,080 --> 02:59:02,840
Speaker 2: there are several propaganda posters Second Republic. One is as

3286
02:59:02,840 --> 02:59:06,120
Speaker 2: simple as it is heartbreaking. The poster depicts a squadron

3287
02:59:06,120 --> 02:59:08,879
Speaker 2: of fascist bombers and the dead body of a child.

3288
02:59:09,879 --> 02:59:13,080
Speaker 2: The slogan underneath reads, if you tolerate this, then your

3289
02:59:13,120 --> 02:59:16,840
Speaker 2: children will be next. The poster was, of course correct.

3290
02:59:17,440 --> 02:59:19,200
Speaker 2: It was the inspiration for songs by the Clash and

3291
02:59:19,240 --> 02:59:21,760
Speaker 2: the Mansrud preachers, which are what in turn made me

3292
02:59:21,800 --> 02:59:24,640
Speaker 2: want to learn about the Spanish Civil War. The slogan

3293
02:59:25,000 --> 02:59:27,880
Speaker 2: coined in nineteen thirty seven feels as relevant today as

3294
02:59:27,879 --> 02:59:30,560
Speaker 2: it does then. It was one that folks on the

3295
02:59:30,600 --> 02:59:33,360
Speaker 2: border might as well have been screaming by twenty eighteen,

3296
02:59:34,280 --> 02:59:36,360
Speaker 2: but one that went ignored, just as it did in

3297
02:59:36,440 --> 02:59:40,440
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty seven. In twenty twenty, folks began to realize

3298
02:59:40,440 --> 02:59:43,039
Speaker 2: what it meant when border patrol drones circled the skies

3299
02:59:43,040 --> 02:59:46,440
Speaker 2: around Minneapolis and cell phone signal interceptors track citizens all

3300
02:59:46,480 --> 02:59:48,960
Speaker 2: over the US when they came together to demand that

3301
02:59:48,959 --> 02:59:52,200
Speaker 2: the police stopped murdering people. It became more real in

3302
02:59:52,200 --> 02:59:55,760
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three when under DeSantis, Florida began the process

3303
02:59:55,800 --> 02:59:58,720
Speaker 2: of legalizing state kidnapping of trans and gender non performing

3304
02:59:58,800 --> 03:00:02,640
Speaker 2: kids from their loving families. But that all began when

3305
03:00:02,640 --> 03:00:04,880
Speaker 2: the state ripped Indigenous children for their families in the

3306
03:00:04,959 --> 03:00:07,760
Speaker 2: nineteenth and twentieth centuries, who tried to destroy their culture

3307
03:00:07,840 --> 03:00:10,279
Speaker 2: by punishing them for wearing their clothes, speaking their languages,

3308
03:00:10,360 --> 03:00:13,440
Speaker 2: or using their names. Wasn't a big leap from there

3309
03:00:13,440 --> 03:00:16,240
Speaker 2: to Trump's family separation policy, which detained kids on their

3310
03:00:16,280 --> 03:00:18,880
Speaker 2: own away from their families as a means of punishing

3311
03:00:18,879 --> 03:00:22,200
Speaker 2: a deterring migrants, and it's reached its obvious endpoint in

3312
03:00:22,240 --> 03:00:25,720
Speaker 2: Florida because despite all the people chanting about kids in

3313
03:00:25,720 --> 03:00:29,600
Speaker 2: courages in twenty twenty, there's almost universal bipartisan agreement on

3314
03:00:29,640 --> 03:00:32,560
Speaker 2: treating people of our southern border like humans without rights.

3315
03:00:33,280 --> 03:00:35,920
Speaker 2: And because for two decades we've allowed the border surveillance

3316
03:00:35,920 --> 03:00:39,280
Speaker 2: industrial complex to grow to an unprecedented and uncontrollable scale,

3317
03:00:39,280 --> 03:00:44,040
Speaker 2: the watches us all changing things now will be very difficult.

3318
03:00:44,360 --> 03:00:48,240
Speaker 2: DHS aren't numbers many nations armies, and it's considerably better equipped.

3319
03:00:49,080 --> 03:00:51,320
Speaker 2: But unless people show up and take action, things are

3320
03:00:51,320 --> 03:00:54,760
Speaker 2: going to get considerably worse, regardless of who you vote

3321
03:00:54,760 --> 03:00:56,200
Speaker 2: for or what they say in order to get you

3322
03:00:56,240 --> 03:00:59,680
Speaker 2: to vote for them. As Katie said, little things can

3323
03:00:59,720 --> 03:01:02,640
Speaker 2: make it difference, And if you listen this far, I

3324
03:01:02,680 --> 03:01:04,240
Speaker 2: hope you'll take the time to try and do those

3325
03:01:04,280 --> 03:01:07,320
Speaker 2: little things. Before we go, I want to update you

3326
03:01:07,360 --> 03:01:09,240
Speaker 2: on what's happened in the week we've been publishing this.

3327
03:01:10,640 --> 03:01:12,360
Speaker 2: Although there are no longer people held out in the

3328
03:01:12,400 --> 03:01:15,080
Speaker 2: open in ho Goomba and San Asedro, there are still

3329
03:01:15,120 --> 03:01:17,440
Speaker 2: many people trying to present themselves at the sant Asedra

3330
03:01:17,520 --> 03:01:20,000
Speaker 2: border to claim asylum. Today, I was told they are

3331
03:01:20,000 --> 03:01:23,279
Speaker 2: about one hundred of them. They're waiting there, often for days.

3332
03:01:23,640 --> 03:01:26,640
Speaker 2: Most of them are getting turned away. They're all frustrated

3333
03:01:26,680 --> 03:01:30,000
Speaker 2: with CVP one which continues to be buggy, offer no appointments,

3334
03:01:30,120 --> 03:01:33,440
Speaker 2: and struggle to photograph black faces. I also wanted to

3335
03:01:33,440 --> 03:01:36,000
Speaker 2: mention some of the organizations you can find and donate

3336
03:01:36,040 --> 03:01:38,840
Speaker 2: to if you'd like to support their efforts. They are

3337
03:01:39,360 --> 03:01:45,240
Speaker 2: the Asian Solidarity Collective, Alo Trollao, the American Friends Service Committee,

3338
03:01:45,680 --> 03:01:50,800
Speaker 2: Border Kindness, border Lands Relief Collective, the Haitian Bridge Alliance,

3339
03:01:51,760 --> 03:01:56,279
Speaker 2: the Partnership for the Advancement of New Americans, and PREVENKASA

3340
03:01:56,560 --> 03:02:02,320
Speaker 2: pre ev e ncas A. I'd also like to thank

3341
03:02:02,480 --> 03:02:07,160
Speaker 2: Joe Oriana his Twitter is at Joe or Photo for

3342
03:02:07,280 --> 03:02:09,880
Speaker 2: his reporting which very much contributed to this series.

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