1 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He had his whole world 2 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: in front of him. Twenty five year old kneeling in 3 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: long car, just graduated from Temple University degree in Engineering tech. 4 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Set out in the world. Great job and construction management, 5 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: great place, loving mother is the apple of her eye, gorgeous, 6 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: gorgeous girlfriend. A wedding was in the air. It was 7 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: all unfolding right before everyone's eyes. Why did Kneeling have 8 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 1: to die? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace? We learned more 9 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: about the victim, Milon Loncar. We spoke to his uncle today, 10 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 1: who says his nephew was just doing what he always does, 11 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: taking the dog out for a walk. He says, this 12 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: is a mild manner guy. He would have never put 13 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 1: up a fight in this situation. Taking your dog out 14 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: for a walk and you end up dead. I mean. 15 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: It was a Chihuahua Docson Nix named Rue. And when 16 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: Milan was found, he was still holding on to Rue 17 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: by the leash, even then, still trying to keep his 18 00:01:54,120 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: little pet from rushing out into traffic. What happened? How 19 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: did this go so horribly wrong? With me to make 20 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: some sense of what we know now? And All Star 21 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: Panel Levipacee Crime Online dot com. Investigative reporter Cheryl McCollum, 22 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: Director of the Coal Case Research Institute. Doctor Angela Arnold, 23 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: renowned psychiatrists, joining us out of Atlanta at Angela Arnold 24 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: MD dot com. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red 25 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon and hosted Today with doctor Wendy on 26 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: Kate CBQ at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, 27 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My 28 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon and star of a brand new hit 29 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: series on the True Crime network, Poisonous. Liaison's joining me 30 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: right now. Two people that I've thought so much about, 31 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: that beautiful girlfriend with a wedding in the air, Olivia 32 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 1: Gorsky and Milan's mother, Miss Amy Lawnsbury. First of all, 33 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: to you, Olivia Gorsky, Milan's fiance, Olivia, When did you 34 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: learn something horrible had happened? It was probably about two 35 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 1: hours after he had dropped me off in my apartment 36 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: that night. He had driven me to pick up my 37 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: car from the car dealership because I had to have 38 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: some work done on it, and I got a notification 39 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: on like a local crime app that there had been 40 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: a shooting very close to his house, and so I 41 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: sent a screenshot of that alert too in a group 42 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: chat to him, his sister, and his sister's roommate because 43 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 1: they all live in the area, just kind of being like, 44 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: what the heck is going on? This is way too 45 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: close to you, guys, and Yelena and her roommate were 46 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: both answering, and Melan wasn't replying in that group chat, 47 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: even though we had previously been talking in it only 48 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 1: maybe half an hour earlier, and that was that was usual. Yeah, 49 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: it happened before. Yeah, that's how you grows handled those 50 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: kind of alert Yeah, just kind of on everybody, Yeah, 51 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: seeing what was going on. And Melan wasn't replying to 52 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: our texts, and so I was kind of texting him jokingly, 53 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: being like, if you don't answer, you know, in the 54 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: next five minutes, I'm about to drive to your house 55 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: and make sure you're okay, And he wasn't answering the text. 56 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: So I just kept repeatedly calling him, and it went 57 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: to voicemail every single time, and probably after the third 58 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: time calling him, and he didn't answer. The pit in 59 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: my stomach started to form, and it wasn't. Oh, maybe 60 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: he's just you know, playing video games. All of the 61 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: thoughts started thinking in of maybe what if it is him? 62 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: What if? What if it is him? And ever since 63 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: that alert came into my phone, just everything has been 64 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the worst case scenario that could have been imagined. Um, 65 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: I really think it's not going to be true. It's 66 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 1: not it's not going to be him. But it was yeah. 67 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: I mean even you know, once we knew it was him, 68 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: it was okay, well, you know, maybe he's fine, and 69 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: it wasn't. You're hearing another voice, in addition to Olivia Gorski's, 70 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: you're hearing Milan's mother. This is Amy Lawsbury. Amy, what 71 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,160 Speaker 1: happened that night? Where were you? My daughter and I 72 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: were out to dinner and we had just separated. I 73 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't even home. I was still in my 74 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: car and my daughter called me and said, mom, this 75 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: app had a shooting alert and we sent our text 76 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: out and we can't find meal in and she said, 77 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm my roommate. Arsia is going over to 78 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: walk over to where the the um the apparent apparently 79 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: gives a location. She's going to walk over and check 80 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: for us, and I said, is that safe and she said, yes, 81 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: just taking the other dog. My daughter has a big 82 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: pit bull mixed rescue, and so she was going over there. 83 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: They also had meal In's location and he was right there, 84 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: so they everybody was very worried. So she hung up 85 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: with me, and then about five minutes well, I turned 86 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: my car around and started heading into the city. And 87 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 1: then about five minutes later she said, Mom, it's she 88 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: called it, Mom is mealing, and oh my god, I'm 89 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: still driving. I'm coming. And then another ten minutes he's 90 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 1: going to Temple University Hospital. And then I started calling 91 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: them and um. I called them a couple of times 92 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: until they actually had Meal and then and then they 93 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 1: started asking me for identifying, identifying, identifying mark, so whatever, 94 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: and I said a few things, um, But when I 95 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: got there, they still didn't tell me, and I had 96 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: to wait, and then we went back in and um, 97 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: and then I suspected. And then finally the doctor came 98 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: in and it what can what can I tell you? 99 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: Asked bullets and he alive and he said he's not. 100 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: And that's four rang with my ears for days. And 101 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: I also think that there is such an app and 102 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: that the children had a procedure for when that appen. 103 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know. And I can't imagine 104 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: how all of the neighbors had that same app and 105 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: they all check on each other. How do people live 106 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: like that? It's horrible that people live so differently. And 107 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: I had no concept of living like that. And I 108 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: why why why? Time stories with Nancy Grace and as 109 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: a just joining us, we are trying to make sense, 110 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: trying to apply logic to an illogical happening. The phrase 111 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: just keeps sticking in my mind. A wedding in the air, 112 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: A wedding to be planned for, this beautiful soul Niel 113 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: and long Card just twenty five two, Olivia Gorsky, I 114 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: keep looking at photos of you and Milan together and 115 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: you're so happy. How did that night play out for you? 116 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: What happened? Um? Well, Um, once we knew it was him, 117 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: how did she find I thought it was him, Olivia, 118 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: his sister's roommate, after she had gone down to the scene. Um, 119 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: she he just called me and I heard noises in 120 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: the background, and at first I thought it was her laughing, 121 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: and so I, you know, thought for a second. Okay, 122 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: you know, she went to his house. He was there. 123 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: He was just playing video games, and that's why he 124 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: wasn't answering his phone. And then I realized that it 125 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: wasn't her laughing. It was just her sobbing uncontrollably, uncontrollably 126 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: not breathing, and she just said, it's him, and they 127 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: took him away and she hung up, and I just 128 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: immediately called his sister. And his sister, like Amy said, 129 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: was on her way home from dinner, and she just said, 130 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm picking you up or going to the hospital, 131 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: like just get ready. So then I was just in 132 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: my apartment, you know, panicking, waiting for her to get there. 133 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: I called my parents. They were obviously panicking. They immediately 134 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 1: left from North Jersey to drive down to the city, 135 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, not even knowing exactly what happened, but just 136 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: knowing that they had to be there also, um and 137 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: just just all the you know, thinking that he has 138 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: to be okay, because that's all I would let myself think. 139 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: You know, I we knew at that point he had 140 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: been shot, but it was okay, maybe he was shot 141 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: in the leg, and you know, I'm I'm going to 142 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: school for this kind of stuff. I can. I'll take 143 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: care of him. I'll I'll be his stay at home 144 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: whatever he needs, like I will. You know, it's the 145 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: way we would have shared it. But just knowing that 146 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 1: like as long as he was alive, like we could 147 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: make it work and it would be okay. And just yeah, 148 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 1: I mean even that night at the hospital, um, I 149 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed inside. It was only Ellena an Amy that 150 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 1: could go in. Um, so I was waiting outside with Arcia, 151 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: his sister's roommate, and just just not not knowing what 152 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: was going on, and just um, it just keeps playing 153 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: back in my mind too, because I really I wouldn't 154 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: let myself think that anything had happened. And when Yellen 155 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: and Amy came out from the hospital, they just kind 156 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: of stared at us, and I didn't catch on. I 157 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: was just waiting for them to be like, Okay, so 158 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: here's what happened. You know, he's in surgery or and 159 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,679 Speaker 1: they just didn't say anything, and Archie had just started screaming. 160 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: And at that point that's when it hit me that 161 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: he wasn't okay and he wasn't here anymore. And I 162 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: just I just kept saying no, because I didn't. I 163 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: couldn't let myself believe it that he wasn't here. I 164 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: was really I was really looking kind of pastitute, trying 165 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: to hoping that your parents had been there somehow much magically, Yeah, 166 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: flow more quickly to hold you with the moment. There's 167 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 1: something the human mind. I'm thinking back after hearing Elivia 168 00:12:53,160 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: Gorsky Malan's Sweetheart and his mother Amy, your mind is 169 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: trying immediately rushing past what you're hearing, what you're experiencing, 170 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 1: trying to make sense of it. I remember thinking, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 171 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: maybe I've got this wrong. Maybe maybe he's been an accident, 172 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: and if I can get to him, I can fix it. 173 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: And I had gotten as far as my parents home, 174 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: left school, and I passed a church. I saw a 175 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 1: bunch of cars there and went in. My pastor happened 176 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,079 Speaker 1: to be there, and he started making calls and I 177 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: saw him right from the other side of his desk, 178 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: and I read it upside down. It said Bernstein Funeral Home. 179 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: And that is when I realized I couldn't fix it. 180 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if I even realized it then, but 181 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: he hung up and I said, really, what happened. Was 182 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: he in a car crash? And he looked at me 183 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: and he said he was shot? Oh and it's did 184 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: your mind? I mean I know that to you, Doctor 185 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold renounced, psychiatrists joining us, I know the human 186 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: mind is phenomenal, more powerful than we know. But what 187 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: is it you? And then, as they were saying earlier, 188 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: every morning, for I don't know how long, I'd wake 189 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: up for about two seconds maybe and think everything was okay, 190 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: and then realize, yeah, definitely the worst. Yeah, it's our brain. 191 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: It's our brain's way of trying to protect itself. Can 192 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: you imagine if we were always in a fight or 193 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: flight mode and we were always fearful that the worst 194 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: outcome was going to happen, just like they were talking 195 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: about with these apps that we have on our phones 196 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: now that tell us where things are happening. I have 197 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: that on my phone. Can you imagine if every time 198 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: we got that, we were like, oh my god, are 199 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: they right around the corner? Our minds we cannot sustain 200 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: constantly being in a fight or flight mode, And so 201 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: that is why our minds take us to a more 202 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: positive place. First. I have that on my phone too, 203 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: My husband has it on his phone. We all have. 204 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: It's kind of like a neighborhood Watch type app. You know, 205 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: I think I heard Amy with me is in addition 206 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: to our wonderful panel Milan's mom Amy Longsberry and his sweetheart, 207 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: his true love, Olivia Gorski. I heard one of you. 208 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: I think it was you, Amy say the mornings are 209 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: the worst. I the mornings and the nighttime, late at night, 210 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: those are the two worst times. Explain what you were saying. 211 00:15:54,080 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: The mornings are the worst for a moment you don't 212 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: remember or or it just doesn't you don't think about 213 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: it yet, and it's just the normal morning, and then 214 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: it hits you, and it's just it's just all consuming. 215 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: I can't think about what I have to do that day. 216 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 1: I I mean, I it's just too much it. Olivia 217 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: has been saying that she's you're having nightmares or dreams, Yeah, 218 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: kind of a mix of boat just um, you know, 219 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: I've been having He's been in my dreams a lot lately, 220 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 1: which I mean he was while he was here too, 221 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: because he was, you know, such a big part of 222 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: my life. And just like I had a kind of 223 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 1: a nightmare the other night that he and I had 224 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: gotten in a fight, and I woke up that morning 225 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: and just first out to myself like, oh my gosh, 226 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: like thank goodness, you know we're not in a fight. 227 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: That was just a dream. And then hidden it just 228 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: hit me that it's so much worse because he's not here. 229 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 1: I'd rather be in a fight, because then you would 230 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: be here, girl, Wendy Patrick joining me California prosecutor is 231 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 1: so painful to hear them speak, but we have to. 232 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: We cannot turn away from the wonder of his life 233 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: and how incredible he was is and the pain, the 234 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: acute pain, this senseless shooting has caused. You can't turn 235 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: away from it, and a jury cannot turn away from it. 236 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: Oh that's right, Nancy, And you know a jury will 237 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: live this beautiful young man's life through the memories that 238 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,480 Speaker 1: have been shared by his family. And you are in 239 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: all of our prayers. You know, unless someone has been 240 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: through a trauma like this, Nancy, unfortunately like you have, 241 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 1: it's almost unfathomable to listen to the family members explain. 242 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: You know, first you wake up, but you don't remember 243 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: right away, and then it hits you that verbiage. I 244 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: have to say just resonates, and it will resonate with 245 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 1: the jury, who can all relate to some type of loss. 246 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: But hopefully certainly not everybody has experienced something like this, 247 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: But it is a way to celebrate the beautiful life 248 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: that was lived and also allow them to understand the 249 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: depth of the pain that you're suffering. Crime Stories with 250 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace For those of you just joining us, we 251 00:18:55,640 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: are trying to make sense, if that's even possible, to 252 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: a wonderful, beautiful life cut short and those left behind 253 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: in a wake of pain. You heard earlier our friend 254 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: Maggie can at six ABC. Take a listen to our 255 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: friends at CBS Philly. No reason for this. This wasn't 256 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: supposed to happen. Twenty five No money on him, like, 257 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: no weapon, murdered. For a while, I was wondering if 258 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: he was targeted, but like he didn't have anything on him, 259 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: he couldn't have been. This was intentional dust to kill him. 260 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: Police tell us a launch er called for help, then 261 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: dropped his phone. When they arrived, he was still holding 262 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: on to his dog's leash. This was just senseless. It 263 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: was just it was just awful. You heard the phrase 264 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: nothing on him. I remember my fiance case murder. The 265 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: perp took thirty five dollars. That was what was on 266 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,439 Speaker 1: the wallet, and that was it. I want to go 267 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: back to Amy Lawnsbury Meland's mom. Nothing on him. What 268 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: did that mean? We found his wallet in his house, 269 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: so he didn't have that. I think he had just 270 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: a house key without even car keys or anything. That 271 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: was his routine when he went out to walk the dog, 272 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: to set his phone and one house keys and the dog. 273 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,120 Speaker 1: And they didn't take other of those anyway either. They 274 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: didn't take his phone and they didn't take his house keys. No, 275 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: so all of this for naught. What happened? Take a 276 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,040 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at NBC ten. This is our 277 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: cut three. Jim Rosenfield Milan long Car was out walking 278 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: his dog just before seven last night at thirty first 279 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: in Jefferson, Knew. Surveillance image is out tonight show him 280 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: rounding the corner when two guys coming from the other 281 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 1: direction on the sidewalk confront him. In a matter of seconds, 282 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 1: one pulls out a gun and points it at his 283 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: chest as the pair begins going through Milan's pocket, going 284 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: through his pocket for what There was no wallet? You 285 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: just heard his mother and his sweethearts say so. Take 286 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: a listen to Bob Brooks six ABC News are cut four. 287 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: Police say it's all caught on tape as this happened 288 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: outside of new apartment buildings. They say the victim was 289 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: walking north on thirty first when he turned right onto 290 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: Jefferson Streets. Two males that were walking west on Jefferson 291 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 1: approached the victim, one stood in front of him, one 292 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: stood behind him. On the security video, detectives say the 293 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: twenty five year old was trapped and you see the 294 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: suspects reach into the victim's pockets and then the one 295 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: in front pulls the trigger. They take off on foot 296 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: south on thirty first. As for the victim, rushed him 297 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: to Temple Hospital. Doctors worked on him. However, he was 298 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: pronounced dead at seven thirty pm. Police also say this 299 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: had apparently been the victim's routine with his dog for years. 300 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: We're getting information from witnesses and other individuals in the 301 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: neighborhood that for the past couple of years they saw 302 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: this twenty five year old male in the neighborhood and 303 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: he normally walks his dog straight out. To investigative reporter 304 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: or crime online dot Com Levi page on the story 305 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: from the beginning, Levi, tell me about the area. I mean, 306 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: I've looked at the surveillance surveillance video and I can 307 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: see very clearly it looks like a residential area. Yes, Nancy, 308 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: this occurred in the Philadelphia neighborhood of Brewery Town. And 309 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: this is a neighborhood residential, a lot of apartments, a 310 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: lot of coffee shops, restaurants. And this occurred right before 311 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: seven pm. It wasn't even that late at night January 312 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: thirteenth when this twenty five year old young man lost 313 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: his life. He was a college graduate, Nancy, got an 314 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: engineering degree, which means he's extremely intelligent, and was working 315 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: for a construction management company and was walking his chihuahua. 316 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: How innocent is that? Certainly without a wallet, he certainly 317 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: was unarmed. I mean, Justice Scott Morgan, you're the crime 318 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: scene expert. Where did the cops start? First? The beauty 319 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: part of this from a forensic standpoint, Nancy, is that 320 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: there is a wealth of CCTV footage. I've watched this 321 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: footage over and over again to try to make sense 322 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: of this, and I think that I've kind of pieced 323 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: things together, and that's where the investigators would have started, 324 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: other than obviously looking at this poor band's remains at 325 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: the hospital initially, particularly with this, they had very close 326 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: contact with him, Nancy the shooter in particular, when you 327 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: watch the CCTV footage, he has closed to within a foot, 328 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: I would say, of this young man when he discharged 329 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: this weapon. So there's going to be a tremendous amount 330 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: of forensic evidence there. But the great thing about the CC, 331 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: you know, we've covered so many of these cases with 332 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: really poor coverage. From these camera views, there are multiple 333 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: angles from multiple buildings, and the beauty of this is 334 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: that you can actually track them their movement as they're 335 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: in retreat. And not just that, but you can appreciate 336 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: the way they approached him. My suspicion is, looking at this, 337 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:51,680 Speaker 1: they've waited on him like pray, Okay, they were probably 338 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: sequestered somewhere back they saw him coming out, and this 339 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: was this was planned. This is not their first time out. 340 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: Because as they approach him, just like I mentioned, the 341 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: perpetrator with the gun, the other gentleman, the other person 342 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 1: walked behind him and they surrounded him like a couple 343 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: of jackals, They encroached on his person, they began to 344 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: rifle through his pocket. You can see this happen, and 345 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: then then this person discharged this weapon into this young man. 346 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: Everything I've heard about him to Milan's mom, Amy Lawns 347 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: Murray is he's never had a fight in his life, 348 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: everyone universally says, easygoing, laid back, agreeable, happy. He would 349 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: not have been wanted to start an argument. Amy, No, 350 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: he would not have. No, I've never seen him get 351 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: disturbed less. But he was hurting his sister or Olivia 352 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: or I mean, he was like any young man is. 353 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: He loved his people and protected them fiercely. But in 354 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: normal course of life. He everybody knows he was just 355 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: kind that you could talk to him about things. He 356 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: always wanted to support others and be helpful. He was 357 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 1: tremendously helpful me in recent years we had other family things, 358 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: and he's just a good boy. Loved his mom, loved 359 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: his sister, loved his girlfriend, and was starting a wonderful life. 360 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend, GM Rosenfield, NBC ten 361 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: cut nine tonight, Temple University released a statement saying our 362 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: college grieves were a life cut short in a senseless manner. 363 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: I think these were kids. These were kids with guns. 364 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: How do they get guns? How? Police are hoping a 365 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: twenty thousand dollars reward and details in these images will 366 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: help find the pair. Noting a patch on the left 367 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: shoulder of the gunman's black jacket, his multi colored sneakers, 368 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: and these black shoes with white souls on the other 369 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: suspects feet, light spots on his denim jeans. I would 370 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 1: really like to know why, what what were they doing? 371 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: Did they really need money? Or they they were angry 372 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: and wanted to commit violence? Or I don't have those answers, 373 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:37,959 Speaker 1: and I really would like to understand why or was it? 374 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Very simply that it wasn't a desire for money, It 375 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: wasn't anger, It was nothing, neither remorse or anger, just 376 00:27:49,160 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: a heart of ice. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Who 377 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 1: would kill this beautiful, wonderful young man with a loving family, 378 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: a wedding in the works. Take a listen to our cut. 379 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,919 Speaker 1: Thirteen Police say they've arrested and charged one of the 380 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,479 Speaker 1: people seen on that surveillance video identified it's twenty year 381 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: old Davis Josephus, who lives just a few blocks from 382 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: the scene of the crime. In Brewery Town. Police say 383 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: Josephus was arrested just two hours after the murder, driving 384 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: a car reported stolen in a separate carjacking while four 385 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: others ran off. Josephus was taken into custody, his clothing 386 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: and description, police say, matching up with the surveillance in 387 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: long Car's murder straight out to Joseph Scott Morgan death investigator. 388 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: This is by far a young kid. This is a 389 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: guy with a lani rap sheet as long as my arm. 390 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: At just age twenty, Josepha's Davis had only been out 391 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: of jail two weeks after a judge lowered his bond 392 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,520 Speaker 1: from around three hundred thousand dollars to twenty thousand dollars 393 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: on an armed robbery and kidnapping where he kidnapped an 394 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: Uber driver at gunpoint, and there have been other robberies 395 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: on his rap sheet. This is the guy, this Josephus Davis. 396 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: What kind of moron? What kind of moron lets someone 397 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: who has been accused of a violent kidnapping free, who 398 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: cuts somebody loose like this on society and doesn't apparently 399 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: even care about it, because if they had done their 400 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 1: due diligence and dug in deep, they would have seen 401 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: that there is is a thread that runs through this Nancy. 402 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: This young man would still be with us today, living 403 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: his life, loving everybody in his life, and making the 404 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: world a better place. But no, he cut this guy loose, 405 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: and he is the shooter. This guy they cut loose, well, 406 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: I can tell you who, Judge Charles Hayden reduced the bond. 407 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: And I'm just curious why the other perp has not 408 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:32,719 Speaker 1: been named. Is it because the other perp is in 409 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 1: fact a juvenile? Is it because the other perp is 410 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: expected to turn state's evidence? What if anything? Out to 411 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: Olivia Gorski, are you learning about these two killers? I mean, honestly, 412 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying not to learn too much right now, just 413 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: because it's a lot to take in on top of 414 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: everything that's already happened. And I think just everything that 415 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: we find out, what hurts the most is probably just 416 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:12,400 Speaker 1: how avoidable it was. I mean, you know, obviously I'm 417 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: struggling with so what if you know, what if I 418 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 1: what if I didn't have him pick up my car? 419 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, would he have walked the dog at a 420 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: different time? And obviously those what if you know, we 421 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: all have them, and those are painful enough, But the 422 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: fact that this situation truly was avoidable. I mean, this 423 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: guy shouldn't have been on the streets. It just shouldn't 424 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: have happened. There's so much that that could have prevented 425 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: this from happening. And I think that that's, you know, 426 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: one of the hardest parts, just that you know, first 427 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: of all, Melan is gone because of someone else's choice, 428 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:57,240 Speaker 1: meaning the shooter, and also just so many other people 429 00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: kind of played into this, and that's really just what 430 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: is probably the hardest part to deal with. It's just 431 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: that it could have been avoided and he could still 432 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: be here. To Amy Lawsbury, this is Milan's mother. Now, 433 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: I just heard Olivia, his sweethearts, say, I don't want 434 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: to note you know, I understand that because all that 435 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: mattered to me after Keith's murder was he was gone. 436 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: I mean, so what if they caught the guy, didn't 437 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 1: catch the guy, the guy has a rap she the 438 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: guy doesn't have a rap sheet. Just at that time 439 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 1: did not matter. All that mattered was he's gone. And 440 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 1: I remember when I first gave interviews about Keith Stiff, 441 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: I actually had facts, all bass accords. I just dates 442 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: details because to revisit it was just so painful. I 443 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: heard the dish attorney's office the other day say that 444 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: balls were dropped and that's why Josephus Davis was out 445 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: on the street. Did you hear that? I did hear that. Um, 446 00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: I I don't know anything about it. I really doubt it. 447 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: And I and I've been um watching some snippets and 448 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I think that I need to get up to speed. Um. 449 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: I just I just trusted that all was going to be. Um. 450 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: I guess I'm so naive. And why shouldn't you be amy, 451 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't you believe though everybody's doing their job, that's 452 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: where our tax dollars are paying for it. They should 453 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: be and I assume are doing their job. And it 454 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: just hits like a wrecking ball. These kids were living, 455 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: um just a block from each other. See literally had 456 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: a little park with a basketball court and a baseball 457 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: field in between them, and you could stand on Melan's 458 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: porch and skid on Yellin's back porch, and they could 459 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: literally wait to each other. And they were having friends over. 460 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: They had to Sunday dinners, they cooked together, they with COVID. 461 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: I think they had Thanksgiving together as a matter of um, 462 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: it just Olivia tell me about the Thanksgiving. Yeah, Um, 463 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: usually Thanksgiving is at my parents' house, and Melan had 464 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: been coming to that in the past, but this year 465 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: with COVID and everything, Um, yeah, and Melan's grandma was 466 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,360 Speaker 1: sick so he couldn't go home. My parents had canceled Thanksgiving, 467 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: and so it just ended up being me, Melan, Yellina, 468 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: and Yelena's roommate Arcia, and we just it was well, 469 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 1: honestly one of the best days. We usually all cooked 470 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: dinner together every Sunday night anyway, and we called them 471 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: our Sunday dinners. But we, you know, went shopping together 472 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 1: and we made I don't even know, we made a 473 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: chicken that we made like a turkey because it was 474 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,439 Speaker 1: smaller for us, and we couldn't find any frozen any 475 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: turkeys that we're frozen. And we made mac and cheese, 476 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: and we all just kind of made like our own 477 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 1: dishes and just kind of had a little pot luck 478 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: together at yell in his house and just just spend 479 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: it together. And I remember us even saying, you know, 480 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,359 Speaker 1: it was one of the best Thanksgivings that we'd had 481 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: because it was just we were just together and just 482 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: it was it was really one of the best. I 483 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: mean same with Christmas this year. Things were different, but 484 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: just you know, being able to spend it together was 485 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: really all that that mattered. Olivia, What or are your 486 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: plans with melon everything? Um? I m had been in 487 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 1: the process of moving into his house. Um, my apartment 488 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: lease is up at the end of February, so I 489 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: had already um pretty much packed up most of my 490 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: stuff and the boxes were at his house. We had 491 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: been fixing up his house a little bit, so we 492 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 1: redid the bathroom together. Just I mean, we worked so 493 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: well as a team of stuff like that. So I 494 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: think it was this past weekend we had planned to 495 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: pick up his mom's truck and you know, start bringing 496 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: over my furniture, kind of moved my cats into his house. 497 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: I was supposed to graduate, well I hopefully will graduate 498 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: in June from grad school. So we were just supposed 499 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: to be you know, becoming adults together and living together. 500 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,279 Speaker 1: And we obviously had the plan to you know, buy 501 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: a house in the suburbs at some point and get 502 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, get married and have kids and get more dogs, 503 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: and just even I mean everything. We had retirement plans together, 504 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: we had summer plans, we had just plans for everything. 505 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I wanted to do it all with him 506 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: and I was supposed to. Amy, If you would share 507 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: with us right now, what is your most vivid memory 508 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:27,760 Speaker 1: of your boy, Melan? Right now, the most vivid memory 509 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:39,880 Speaker 1: is bold metal and soft flesh, and I can't, I 510 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: can't get that out of my mind. Then I try 511 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: to remember the good things, and that just makes me cry. 512 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: And I hope that that change and I can remember. 513 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:07,880 Speaker 1: I believe whatever I pray to God, that you're suffering 514 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:18,399 Speaker 1: eases and that you find comfort. Please know our our 515 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,960 Speaker 1: prayers are with you and all of your family, and 516 00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:29,919 Speaker 1: our desire is justice. Fancy Grace, signing off, good my friend,