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Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black

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Speaker 1: Effect and our heart radio and partnership with Showtime. M

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Speaker 1: hm hm Welcome back to another edition All the Smoke

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Happy New Year's Stack, Happy New Year.

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Speaker 1: My brother was good man, I can't call it man.

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Speaker 1: Just got done with ESPN, hurried home, excited about our

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Speaker 1: guests today. Yeah me too. W n B a legend,

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Speaker 1: North Phillian n C double a champ, Olympic gold medalists,

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Speaker 1: the highest paid female coach. Is it in sport to

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Speaker 1: a basketball? I'm thinking sports? So yeah, man, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the man. That's crazy. That's not a sports Serena. Serena

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Speaker 1: tops that big time. No, I'm talking about as far

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Speaker 1: as coaching coaching. Coaching yea, the highest paid women coach

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Speaker 1: period though, right No, no, I think uh gino yukon okay?

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Speaker 1: Are were you up there? You make good money man,

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Speaker 1: Congratulations first and foremost on that deal. Obviously, your your

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Speaker 1: your track record speaks for itself. But I love to

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Speaker 1: see that you're rewarded because it's given women now another visual.

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Speaker 1: You know you you did it in the sports, now

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Speaker 1: you're succeeding in coaching too. So we definitely want to

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Speaker 1: congratulate you on your big deal and all this success.

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Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate that, and uh, thank you all for

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Speaker 1: having me starting episode off, I watch y'all. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I listen to y'all. I appreciate you guys giving raw

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Speaker 1: thoughts and and letting us in the inside of your

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Speaker 1: your thoughts and your vision. And that's that's pretty darn cool.

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Speaker 1: So if you watched, So, if you watched, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're my favorite female player of all time. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I say that, I said all the time. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: That's what's up. So again, seven year deal? Has you

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Speaker 1: through the twenty seven season? UM? Looking back on your

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Speaker 1: journey starting as a child player, UM, now a coach

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Speaker 1: and and what do you make of all this? UM?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean I love basketball

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Speaker 1: like I you know, it was I never cheated on it,

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Speaker 1: like it was the one thing that I I was

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Speaker 1: loyal to. UM. I didn't care what anybody else was doing.

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Speaker 1: I was singularly focused on sports. And it wasn't just

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Speaker 1: the CEMENTUM, I played baseball, softball. I mean we I

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Speaker 1: used to live in the projects. Yeah. We I used

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Speaker 1: to live in the projects and they were like row

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Speaker 1: it had a basketball court, that had a softball field,

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Speaker 1: that had a baseball field, and then it had just space.

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Speaker 1: And when you have just space, you know you're resourceful.

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Speaker 1: You you create like we could get we could get

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Speaker 1: a five gallon can of paint and we used to draw,

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Speaker 1: not straight. We used to paint lines to create like

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Speaker 1: a track. So we had like the Olympics out there

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Speaker 1: in the middle of the project. So, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: was doing what all the neighborhood guys were doing, and

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Speaker 1: it's certainly it's paid off. So cool feeling. Were you

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Speaker 1: the girl that you not only do you get ridiculed

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Speaker 1: from the guys, but their girlfriends thought I was. I

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Speaker 1: had an alternative motives like I'm just right really, like

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Speaker 1: do you do you understand? Like I'm playing with like

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Speaker 1: they're dirty and sweaty at this point, they don't look good.

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Speaker 1: That's how the season going so far in South Carolina

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Speaker 1: this year, we're doing pretty good. We actually, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: country for a while. We took l last Thursday in Missouri. Um,

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Speaker 1: but something just happened today where the new Pole came

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Speaker 1: out in and they actually they continue making us the

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Speaker 1: number one team in the country. I haven't called that before,

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Speaker 1: but we played a tough sketch, but like we played

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Speaker 1: probably six out of the ten top teams in the country.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, it's good to see the you know,

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Speaker 1: the decision makers and women's basketball, especially the Pole treat

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Speaker 1: us and respect us in that in that man, because

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Speaker 1: it's not often felt in that regards. Well, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think you kind of earned that respect last season. You

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Speaker 1: took the team to the final four, you lost, you

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Speaker 1: lose the Stanford. Um, what are you building on the

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Speaker 1: different this year than last year? I know you're still

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Speaker 1: trying to get healthy. My favorite Raven, Raven is still

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Speaker 1: dealing with an injury. You know what I'm saying, my girl, UM,

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Speaker 1: But what are you gonna change this year? What are

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Speaker 1: you working on this year to be better from last year? Well, UM,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you shouting out raving because it came at a

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Speaker 1: time and what she she was down, Um, the injury

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Speaker 1: But but we we lost in the final four the Stanford.

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Speaker 1: So one one player had to lay up, she missed it.

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Speaker 1: how to live in and and it's that margin of

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Speaker 1: and when we when we practice, we practice from that

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Speaker 1: of error in mind because we don't want that heartbreak

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Speaker 1: of of if we're that close to competing for a

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Speaker 1: national championship, we want to make sure that we we cover.

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Speaker 1: We're checking off all boxes when it comes to just

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Speaker 1: making sure that it doesn't come down to that. But

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Speaker 1: if it does, it's familiar to us. All Right, let's

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Speaker 1: talk about how important women's basketball. I'm on it to

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Speaker 1: this month to be hosting the first ever High School

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Speaker 1: and the Women's Basketball Showcase hosted by n I'm the

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Speaker 1: first to do it, and I'm hosting one um this

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Speaker 1: in January. In a couple of weeks. Tell me, tell

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Speaker 1: me how important female basketball is it to you. We

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Speaker 1: how important it was to him and it's and it's

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Speaker 1: just as important to us. But to you for somebody

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Speaker 1: it in the in the basketball space now being one

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Speaker 1: of the highest paid coaches, How are poison important is

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Speaker 1: it to you? And to see how it's growing? Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean I've I've always like I'm old school, I've

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Speaker 1: been around the block. You know, I've played on every level.

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Speaker 1: Um and I and I. As you were saying that

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Speaker 1: I go back. I was. I was in a and

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not trying to pump up myself, but

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Speaker 1: I was in there. I was in a Spike lead

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Speaker 1: us about that particular commercial. And in that commercial I said,

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Speaker 1: basketball's basketball, Like, it doesn't matter what gender, Basketball's basketball.

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Speaker 1: Like you you all played at the highest level. I

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Speaker 1: played at the highest level. There your thrill was as

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Speaker 1: much as my thrill. You know, your your defeat was

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Speaker 1: and it's it's gingerlest if. If you pour into something,

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Speaker 1: end of the day, it's basketball is just basketball. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about your upbringing. Your mom started in South Carolina,

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Speaker 1: to my my mom. Just my mom was born and

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Speaker 1: And my mom is a sassy she was a sassy lady. Um,

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Speaker 1: was in eighth grade, I I received the letter from Dartmouth.

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Speaker 1: Like Dartmouth the IVY League and UM, and you know,

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Speaker 1: now that I'm in the coaching I know that letter

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Speaker 1: was just a camp invitation, but to me it was interest.

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Speaker 1: To me, it was like, you know what, it's a

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Speaker 1: And that's when I knew that I probably need to

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Speaker 1: and your family when Nike did the mural ahead of

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Speaker 1: the ninety Olympics. UM, for those who don't know, a

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Speaker 1: hundred role born in Philly, grew up on the corner

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Speaker 1: And then also how did your family feel about it? Well?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nike, Nike is you know, forward thinking. Um,

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Speaker 1: I you know I played, I played with household names

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Speaker 1: they are well known. I was just the point guard

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Speaker 1: and probably just took a more um service role, just service.

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Speaker 1: I just want to win and that matter how it looks.

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Speaker 1: and win one, and I had to get into coaching

430
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,119
Speaker 1: to do that. But it was it was so special.

431
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: It was so special that UM, when we won, I

432
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: made sure that that every like former player of mine

433
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: because I coached that Temple and I'm coaching that South Carolina.

434
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 1: When we won, every every player prior to seventeen, I

435
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: got them a miniature, a miniature national championship trophy. UM.

436
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: I got all of my Virginia teammates miniature national championship trophies,

437
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: all of all of the people that coach with me

438
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 1: at Temple in South Carolina. I got the miniature national

439
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: championship trophies. Because this this was a dream far beyond

440
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: seen UM and I had. I had teammates and I

441
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: had former players that believed in that dream that we

442
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: we didn't get it done, so I wanted I didn't

443
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,879
Speaker 1: want them to miss out on the opportunity of feeling

444
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 1: that and then on the back of it, I put

445
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: their name, and I just said, because of you simply.

446
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: That's really you don't hear stuff like that too often.

447
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: That's what's up. I knew she was a real one.

448
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: I told you that. I knew that. So tell me this.

449
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: What was the feeling when you went back for your

450
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 1: Jersey retirement? Mm hmmm, Um, I don't even remember that.

451
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I really don't remember that, like, like I mean, really honestly,

452
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: I know that that stuff. I mean there it's nice,

453
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: but I mean it's nice, but I mean I wanted

454
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Asked me about Hall of Fame, Like,

455
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: asked me about Hall of like that is. And I'm

456
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: not trying to take any I mean, I'm grateful, grateful,

457
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: but there are just things that are like near and dear,

458
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: like you're I'm in a Hall of Fame with the

459
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: greatest of the great. Yeah, that's one of the best. Yeah,

460
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it. What's it like? What's it like

461
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: being in the Hall of Fame's I mean, it's it's cool.

462
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: Like I I don't always go back to the ceremonies,

463
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: but when I do go, like I feel proud, like

464
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I belong And and I started I

465
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,880
Speaker 1: started an autograph collection, so I can I can get

466
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: all the great autographs when I go there. So it's

467
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, like like I mean, I got it.

468
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: I got a pretty extensive collection of of Hall of Favors.

469
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: It's kind of hard for some people to even think

470
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: about that because, like when people ask us about Kobe,

471
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: like when high school, his mind was different. Like me,

472
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to the NBA and figured

473
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: out and make some money, take out of my family

474
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: and buy me a whip and some change. You know,

475
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking at the time, you know what

476
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But Kobe, as a teenager, we knew what

477
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: he was thinking, I'm going to be one of the

478
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 1: best ever. So it's very few people can understand your

479
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: understand your train of thought, you know what. So as

480
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: you was growing up playing basketball and your mind frame,

481
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: you wasn't thinking just making to the w n b A.

482
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: You just think I'm going to be one of the

483
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: best ever. That's it. You know. I got a Kobe story.

484
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I Kobe was was that Lord Maryan When

485
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: I was in Philly training for for the Olympic team,

486
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: and he used to come to the he used to

487
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: come practice with the Sixers like John Lucas was to coach.

488
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: John Lucas used to work me out like I gotta

489
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I gotta cool John Lucas story. I I've had knee

490
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 1: trouble my whole career. Um, during that fifteen months that

491
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: we were training for the nineti Olympic Games, I used

492
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: to go off to St. Joe's where the Sixers used

493
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:52,479
Speaker 1: to practice. And the Sixers weren't really that good at

494
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: the time. So John Lucas, it's his job was on

495
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: the line, like every day you were reading the paper.

496
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: You know it could be any day now and that

497
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: he gets fired. But he saw me. He used to

498
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: ask me, why am I up here? And I told him, I,

499
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I had to have I gotta get surgery

500
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: because my knee. He was like, look, let me, let

501
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: me let me send you to uh Dr Andrews in Birmingham.

502
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: Like he paid for me to go to see the

503
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: He wanted me to see it. Seem by the best

504
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: of the best. Now I didn't like what Dr Andrews

505
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: told me, but um, like seriously, like it was. It

506
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: was ninety five ninety early ninety six. I went to

507
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: Dr Andrews and Dr Andrews. You know, he did the

508
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,719
Speaker 1: X rays. He looked at me and I'm I'm six

509
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: years old at the time. And he looked at him.

510
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: He was like, how old are you? I said, I said.

511
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: He was like, he said, you you what are you

512
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: trying to do? I said him, I'm I'm trying to

513
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: get on the Olympic team, like I'm trying to play.

514
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, well you you play this Olympic

515
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 1: Games and then you need you need to hang it up.

516
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, if you want to run around with your

517
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: kids later in life, then you need to you need

518
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: to hang it up. I had to get out of

519
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: his office. I want to try to hear that. So

520
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: if I listened to adopt the and and Drews, I

521
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: probably would only be a one time Olympian. Now I

522
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: walked with a limp every day. But but what was

523
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: your what was your Kobe story up there too? Kobe

524
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: used to come. I used to work out at St. Joe's.

525
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: Kobe used to come and work out at St. Joe's

526
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: and he used to get in You know, it's probably

527
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: a little tempering because he was supposed to be working

528
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: out with any pro team. But he was he was

529
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 1: out there, you know, like like Kobe had his I

530
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: mean his nose was up, chest up, like he felt

531
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: like he long. He would he would talk, smack, he

532
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: would dunk on people. He was a killer, like at

533
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: seventeen years old. And the see, you know, the see

534
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: his career and and how much he impacted the game,

535
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: and to see when he went into retirement, how much

536
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: he impacted you know, the girls basketball and women's basketball

537
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: just by just by being a girl dag. I mean,

538
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: his day, his legacy lives on and women's and women's

539
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: back and women's basketball world. I know, I know what

540
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: he's done for the NBA and around the world. But

541
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 1: there's a special place in our hearts for Kobe Bryant

542
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: and gets no. He definitely took that first step because obviously,

543
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: you know, as as NBA players were fans of you guys,

544
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: but I think getting the outside respect from maybe particularly

545
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: NBA fans, I think when Kobe stepped out on that

546
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: on that limb and and really stood for you guys,

547
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: I think that's it kind of seemed like the tide

548
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: of change and you gotta started getting talked about more.

549
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: And now it's really everywhere, And I just heard the

550
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: other day they're starting to all women's version of something

551
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: like ESPN. It's just gonna be strictly on women. So

552
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: I think it's come so far. And you know, you're you,

553
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and you know some of your your former teammates had

554
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: a lot to do with the foundation and that, you

555
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it's amazing to kind of

556
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: see where it started to where it's gotten and had

557
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: he definitely head in the right direction now. So I mean,

558
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: it's long overdue. I mean, you you're gonna be good

559
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: at whatever you invest in. You are. I mean, we

560
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: we can look at like like I mean, I I

561
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: don't have any children, but I got a dog. I

562
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: mean he's pretty cool, pretty cool cat. Right Like, if

563
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 1: if I didn't train him, like if I didn't like

564
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: train him to be livable with me, you know, he

565
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be worth anything. But but now that I've trained

566
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: him up, and you know, he he tells me when

567
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: he's gotta go out and party. He tells me when

568
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: he's hungry, I mean, looks into my eyes like he loves,

569
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,919
Speaker 1: like he gives me signs like but it's the same thing.

570
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: It's the it's the same thing. If you pour into

571
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: women's sports, there's something good it's gonna come out of it.

572
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean, look at I mean you you mentioned my

573
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: salary and I don't really you know again I don't.

574
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't really do it for the money. But it's nice,

575
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: it's big. But I mean that's the very thing that's

576
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: gotten the headlines was the was the money. And for

577
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: for me, it's more of it's for other people, like

578
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna enjoy it, but they're they're you know,

579
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: they're investing in the universe of South Carolina is investing

580
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: in their women's basketball coach. And I'm just hoping that

581
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: other you know, other sports of the professions of the

582
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: just invest Now. I mean I think I've earned it.

583
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: I think I've earned it. Like I'm not. I want

584
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: to ask for this. I want to ask for this

585
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: twenty two years ago because I learned it, but twenty

586
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: two years later and it's the same success. Um, And

587
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: you gotta strike when irons hot too, so time isn't

588
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: important as well. But also just being in aspiration to

589
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: two girls looking to take that route, Like you said,

590
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: you took the sports route, now you're taking the coaching route.

591
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 1: And so many people want to be involved in sports,

592
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,240
Speaker 1: but they may not have enough to be an athlete,

593
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 1: but there's so many other ways to stay around the sport.

594
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: And again you coaching now is another way. So I

595
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: think that's dope. So coming out of college, there was

596
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: no w n B A yet, so you had to, uh,

597
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, go overseas for a handful of years. You

598
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,240
Speaker 1: get back and the tucks. So what was it about

599
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: the A b L and then eventually the w n

600
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: B A for you which you made home. So so

601
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 1: during the doing that Olympic training year, UM, like UM,

602
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: the A b L, the A b L founders came

603
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: to our team and they pretty much asked us to

604
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: be a part of it. They said they were gonna

605
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: pay us a hundred and fifty thousand dollars UM a

606
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: year to be founding members. And all of us, all

607
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: twelve of us, agreed to do it because we didn't

608
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: know anything about the w n B A. Didn't tell

609
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 1: us about the w n B A to a few

610
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: months later. Um. And then once the w n B

611
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: A decided that they were gonna start a league, three

612
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: of you know, the more you know, Profoule names in

613
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: our game, Lisa, Sheryl, and Rebecca. They chose to go

614
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 1: to the to the w n B A, and then

615
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: nine of us chose to stay in the A b

616
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: L because we you know, we made a commitment to it,

617
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: and and I did it because I made a commitment

618
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: to it. And then after spending two years um in

619
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: the A b L, I decided just for for personal reasons,

620
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: like I had bad knees, and the A b L

621
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 1: was like the traditional basketball season, so it was eight months,

622
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: so I wanted to play for much longer, and the

623
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: w n B A is like four or five months.

624
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: So I said, I need to hang my shoes up

625
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: with the A b L and go to the w

626
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: n B A so I can play a lot longer.

627
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: And then I actually, I actually made the right decision

628
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: at the right time, because you know that that following season,

629
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: the A b L went under, So I mean so,

630
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I mean, it was it was pretty cool that I

631
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: got a chance to experience both. But you know, the

632
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: the w n B A was that and it is

633
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: that that carrot that's dangling in front of little girls

634
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: who aspired to, you know, to be professional women's basketball

635
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: players here in our country. Like I look at Asian Wilson,

636
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: like she doesn't know life without the w n B A,

637
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: Like she grew up on the w n B A.

638
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: And because of that, she might a little bit harder.

639
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: She might work a little bit harder. She might just

640
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,959
Speaker 1: you know, just give more, like dedicate herself a little

641
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: bit more, because you know, she knows there's there's a

642
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: place for her to continue her career. Yeah, definitely. So

643
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 1: n you were the ninth overall pick to the Charlotte Sting.

644
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: Shortly after that, you gott are headed to the NBA

645
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: or excuse me, the w NBA finals. What was it like,

646
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: uh to be a part of that, you know, obviously

647
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 1: being drafted but then finding success right away. I didn't

648
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: they don't even invite me to the draft, Uh, but

649
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: it was it was cool, like, you know, to be

650
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: a part of a w NBA finals, like and in

651
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 1: that particular finals. We started the season like one in ten,

652
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: like one in ten, and it's a thirty four game season,

653
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: so you know, we we made a move, uh to

654
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: actually even get to the finals, but uh, to be

655
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: able to play the finals against you know, one of

656
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: who I think one of one of my most my

657
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: favorite teammates, a good friend of mine, Lisa Leslie Um

658
00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: was pretty cool to share it in that spotlight with her.

659
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I I ended up being on the losing

660
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: end of the stick, but it was it was cool

661
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,240
Speaker 1: to sharing that moment with her. August first, two thousand five,

662
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 1: you was traded to the Houston Comments and you announced

663
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: before the season that it will be your last one.

664
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Was it was the knees talking to you. You know,

665
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: it actually wasn't my knees, it was actually my heart,

666
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: Like really, yeah, you know, you're you know you. I mean,

667
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 1: we all go through some type of pain as as players,

668
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: and you know, you you you you develop a strong

669
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: like threshold for pain that you know that secondary Yeah,

670
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: it's your it's your mentality. You know that could get

671
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: you over the edge. But I I actually played in

672
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: the w n B A one more year than I

673
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: probably should have, And I only did that because I

674
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: wanted to get it out of my system. And I

675
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 1: was actually coaching and playing at the same time, so

676
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: so I had to get it out of my system

677
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: so I wouldn't look back. And I didn't look back

678
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: at all once I was done. I was tired of

679
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: working out like I was. You know, I was mean,

680
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: I was meaning to my trainer like me onno read

681
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't, you know, I didn't feel like getting

682
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: my body ready to play. I didn't. So I was like,

683
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: this is it and and thankfully I got through, and

684
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: and you know, I never looked back. I was fortunate

685
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: that I was already in a profession of coaching and

686
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 1: and being a dream merchant for young people that you know,

687
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I transition nicely into its y. Yeah, And that's crazy

688
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: because with me, I I thought I'd never stopped playing basketball.

689
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: But my body start talking to him, and I, like

690
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 1: you said, just for just preparing with knowing how you

691
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: prepare to to to play. You know, I played in

692
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: the Big Three a couple of years ago, but I

693
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 1: couldn't do them. Like I love the game so much,

694
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: let me try coaching, you know what I mean. It

695
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: was able to win the championship, so I we love

696
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: the game so much. We might not playing the more,

697
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: but we're gonna stay around the game as long as

698
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: long as we can. That's just what we do. You

699
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: You you impacted the w the w n b A

700
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: so much that you have the Community Leadership Award named

701
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: after you talk about that, I mean that's cool, Like

702
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: really that that's cool because you know, as as athletes, um,

703
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: we we want certain things. We want to be the

704
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: best at what we do, and it sometimes because of that,

705
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 1: people see I mean they see your heart, they see

706
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: what you put into it, they see that, um, you're

707
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: a good teammate. They see that you are a great

708
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: service woman to the game, and and they thought so

709
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: much of that to bestow an award, Like there aren't

710
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: very many of them. I think it's me and Kim

711
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: parot Um and I don't know if it's another one.

712
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's another one, but um, that

713
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: is something that's etched in in the history of the game.

714
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm I'm thankful because every year every summer,

715
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: I'll get to go and and hand out like my

716
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 1: award to someone who's giving back to the community and

717
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: who are who are leaders and giving back to the community.

718
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: So man, that's that's that's that's super cool. That's that's

719
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: really really cool, because that's, yeah, that's something that you

720
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: don't you know, like I wanted to be an Olympian,

721
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a national champion. I didn't know

722
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: that you know these awards, could you know it could

723
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: be something a part of my legacy. Who was your

724
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: toughest matchups when he was in the w n B

725
00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: A toughest Um, I mean t spoon tea spoon was

726
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: you know, used to get after it. She used to

727
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: get after it. She used to get on the nerves. Yeah,

728
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: she's getting my nerves. Like but but I look forward

729
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: to it though, like you know, we we we had

730
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: battles like you know you're gonna get her best, and

731
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: she knew she was gonna get my best. And that's

732
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: when you know you you have last tea memories of

733
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: that because when you when you can look back on

734
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: it and say, she's the one that that gave you

735
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: the most trouble. Those are memories because I don't remember

736
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: half of the people that I played against because they

737
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: didn't they ever repressed me that much. Who you like

738
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,879
Speaker 1: watching the day w n B A. I mean, let's

739
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: see my my my favorite all time w n B players,

740
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: she's retired down to meet the catchings. Um, but I

741
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: like to I like to watch our you know, the

742
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: kids that I coached, they they're growing women down. But

743
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: Asia Ty Harris Um Elena coach, Kaylin Davis, Um, Tiffany Mitchell.

744
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: Like I I like to see are the ones that

745
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: you know that suited up with with us every day.

746
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 1: I like to see their growth and how they how

747
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: they mature over the years. You got some cold guards

748
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 1: over there now too. We got some future w we do.

749
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: So you say you don't set many goals, Um, getting

750
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: an Olympic gold was one of them. What was that moment? Actually?

751
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: Like once you want it, I mean I'm gonna give

752
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: y'all story like once once, I like, once I got it,

753
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: Like I mean, when I when I go back and

754
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: look at I don't look at but you sometimes they

755
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: show like little small snippets of us receiving our gold

756
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: medal on different like the you know, Olympic channel and

757
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,760
Speaker 1: all of that, UM and ninet X. When they got

758
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: to me and they were gonna put the gold medal

759
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: around Monday, I told them to give me mine, like

760
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I said, give me mine, because that was you know,

761
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: that was a lifelong dream. But I'm gonna tell you

762
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: after that, after that moment, I think I got a

763
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: little depressed because when you when you achieved like a

764
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 1: lifelong dream, it's like, well, what's next, Like, really, what's next?

765
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: I know that the A b L was next, but

766
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: something came over me like I wasn't motivated to do anything. Um,

767
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: and that was like the weirdest feeling that I've that

768
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 1: I like it and it has never happened to me again.

769
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 1: That was the only time. But um, my coach UM

770
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: in the A b L. Her name is Lisa Borts.

771
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: She actually is is our assistant, our associate head coach

772
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: here South Carolina and she's been with me for the

773
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: past twenty years. Um, she was my my coach and

774
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: the A b L. She just gave me some time

775
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: off before training camp and that was the time off

776
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: that I needed to kind of re rejuvenate and get

777
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: myself ready to go back at it and play. You

778
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: gave your first gold medal to your mom? What was

779
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: that experience? Like, I mean, you know, you know how

780
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: special mothers are, Like you know, mothers are you know,

781
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: ones that are there for you on the good, bad,

782
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: ugly days, and they're the most consistent people. I mean,

783
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,399
Speaker 1: they're the ones that believe in you, they're the ones

784
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: that humble you, they're the ones that um pay for

785
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: the sneakers like she gotta wear their favorite codes like

786
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: and to be able to give my mother that tangible

787
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: gold medal, uh, it's priceless. It's it's priceless. And I

788
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,800
Speaker 1: know that. Um, I don't know. I mean she didn't

789
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: really want it. I mean she she she wanted me

790
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 1: to have it, you know. But to be able to

791
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: do that is you know, I mean board tearster eyes.

792
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: And there's nothing more than than gratifying and making your

793
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: mother proud. M m. Not like it. Nothing in the

794
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: world like it. Two thousand four, your unaniously chosen to

795
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: carry the Olympic flag during the opening ceremonies. Care from Philly.

796
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: What's that like? The go I mean, I'm gonna tell

797
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: you all the process of of how a flag bird

798
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: is voted in. And I was a part of the process.

799
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: And the process is all the captives of all the

800
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: teams at the Olympics. We come together in one room.

801
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 1: And not to cut you off, like how many people

802
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: is that? Yeah, it's about people, right, So we come together,

803
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: my my teammates and the men's team. They said, we

804
00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: want you to nominate yourself, right, Yeah. So so I'm

805
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: in the room with people and everyone breathes in candidates

806
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: for flagburn. And then we had some other people on

807
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: the phone, and there's nobody in the room that's that's

808
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: that's a candidate besides me and you. You actually have

809
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: to discuss each and every person. So and I'm talking

810
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 1: about people who have suffered, like they've come back from

811
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 1: career ending um injuries and to come back to compete

812
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: in the Olympic Games. I'm talking people have UM, they've

813
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: had cancer and they've beat cancer. And then and then

814
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: I had to get up in the room and speak

815
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: in front of everybody. I basically just said and this

816
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: is what I said. I said this this is my

817
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: third Olympic Games. I'm currently UM the coach at Temple University,

818
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: and I also playing the w n B A and

819
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: UM and I have a foundation to doing Staley Foundation

820
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: and I serviced UH middle age girls in North Philly

821
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: and I'm undefeated and right, and then you hear the

822
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: other candidates and you hear what they're about, and then

823
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: we say okay and signed the vote. So they take

824
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: a vote for the top five and they come back

825
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 1: and they say they give us a list of the

826
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: top five and I was on it and I'm just

827
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: like really like I didn't really compare to what was happening.

828
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: And then we said we take another vote for the

829
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,359
Speaker 1: top three, and it's it's happening this quick. And then

830
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm a part of the the list

831
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,439
Speaker 1: of three, and I really like looking around the room

832
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: like really like it's am I being pranked? And then

833
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: they we go back and we do another for the

834
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: for the fabbrary and they come back and they said

835
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: it's me. And honestly, I didn't really know the magnitude

836
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: of it. And I had been a part of three

837
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: Olympic Games, and I you know, we as the basketball

838
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 1: like it was the dream team, so we always going last,

839
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: like when you when you're going into an Olympic ceremony,

840
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 1: like the opening ceremony, like all the other athletes go,

841
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: and then for the protection of really the dream team,

842
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: we all and we're going last. So I never knew

843
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: what the flag bearer was because we always went in last.

844
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 1: Um And then our administrator she met me outside of

845
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: the room and I said, yeah, Carol, Carol Kalin, I

846
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: said they voted me and as the flag bear. She

847
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: was like and I was like, yeah, like so I'm like,

848
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: what now, Like she I said, they told me not

849
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: to tell anybody. She was like, let's let's get your

850
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: mom on the phone. Let's call your mom, right. So

851
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: I actually told my mom, like if I didn't know

852
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: what it was, I know my mother didn't know what

853
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 1: it was, but she would soon find out that being

854
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: the flag bearer means when they stayed the United States

855
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: of the Olympics, you know the United States, you're the

856
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: first one that walks in the stadium. But before that,

857
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: they said, listen, as flag bearer, you can't dip the flag.

858
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 1: You walk in the stadium with the smile, no matter

859
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: no matter how you're received, because you know, as as Americans,

860
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: you you can get booed, you can get hissed. You

861
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: don't even know how you're gonna be received. So I said,

862
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: I can hold it up. I can hold the flag up,

863
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: and I can smile. I can do that part. I can.

864
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: I understand that assignment. I can. I can do that.

865
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 1: But what I didn't know is when your sport is

866
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: the flag bearer, you get to come in first. So

867
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: the Dream Team he had changed the order up, and um,

868
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: it was the coolest thing. Though it was by far,

869
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: like I equated to like a royal wedding. When I

870
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 1: walked into that that that's that's eight. It was, it was,

871
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: it was incredible. Wow. I mean I've only we've never

872
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: had a conversation. I've only known you as a fan,

873
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: as a player, and as a coach. And then how

874
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: highly Stack speaks of you. But to to to hear

875
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: that you're voted the flag bear, to hear that there's

876
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: an award Dave after you, I mean, that speaks a

877
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: lot about who you are as a person. And there's

878
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: not too many solid people out here, so we always

879
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: want to just smoute the real ones here. So we

880
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: just wanted to shout you out real quick man for

881
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: just being a solid individual and continuing to motivate not

882
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: just women but everyone in general through your actions, also

883
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: your word. The most important to me is actions and

884
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: and and and your actions speak very loudly. So we

885
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: want to commend you for that. Um any fun stories

886
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: while you were there, your team with the guys, team,

887
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: just Olympics overall, Any crazy Olympic stories, funny stories, Yeah,

888
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 1: I actually got I got one like it and it

889
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: happened during like one of the one of the openest

890
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: ceremonies like when I wasn't a flag beard. But um,

891
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: again we're the last to come in. And you have

892
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: to understand when you're with the dream Team. It was

893
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: a dream team in what Scottie Scottie Pippen was on.

894
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: So when we come into the stadium and we're the

895
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: last ones, and and when the when the opening ceremony

896
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: is over, like when it's over, and all chaos occurs

897
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 1: because all the other countries want to get pictures with

898
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 1: the dream Team. Right, I got smashed, like I got small.

899
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure Scotti Pittman picks me up and it takes

900
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: me the safety so we get swallowed up. So that

901
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: was that was That was a cool story to share

902
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: with you all. It was cool, Like, uh, let me

903
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: see what other stories that I that I got to share.

904
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: I actually got to see in two thousand, I got

905
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: to see one of um and the it's got a

906
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: little dark cloud because um, what's her name, Marion Jones? Yeah,

907
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: I gotta yes to see her actually running the quarterfinals.

908
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we know what happened after that, but I

909
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: witnessed that. I'm I'm a big boxing boxing fans, so

910
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: I actually a ninety six. I got a chance to

911
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: see I don't know if y'all know, like David Reid

912
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: Easter from Philadelphia. You know, I got a chance to

913
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: see him him fight. He I don't think he had

914
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: a strong pro career, but I got a chance to

915
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,280
Speaker 1: see him fight. So is it cool? I always wondered

916
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: that you guys can conduct whatever as long it doesn't

917
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: conflict with your actual practice, schedule, games. But you guys

918
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: can bounce around and see whatever you want to see.

919
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: We you can get tickets to anything like well, I

920
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: mean most we we all supported the men's team, but

921
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: I got track and field tickets are hard to get.

922
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 1: Um boxing tickets are a little bit easier to get.

923
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: Swimming is hard to get, but sometimes you get you know,

924
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:00,880
Speaker 1: you can get lucky and get some but more times

925
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: and now you you you get to see what you

926
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: can you know, whatever you want, what what event you

927
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 1: want to see? Podcasts? You're in the podcast game. Now

928
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about that and why you

929
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: want to start with. Oh, y'all the first ones to

930
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 1: know that, I mean y'all, the first one I haven't

931
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 1: it's un announced, Okay, we know everything about you announced

932
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: it all here then what you got. I'm not even

933
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,439
Speaker 1: a talker, so I don't even know how I got

934
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: talked into doing a podcast, but um, the name of

935
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:36,320
Speaker 1: the podcast is, uh, netlife with Don stealing. The netlife

936
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: is obviously you know some of the net symbolizes my basketball,

937
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 1: my life and and and I'm talking to people that,

938
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: uh that's not just basketball, it's pop culture. It is

939
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's you sneaker head. I am. You know,

940
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,560
Speaker 1: I don't really consider myself a sneaker head. You are, though,

941
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: I am? Yeah, I mean, you know how follow you?

942
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: You always posting some fly kicks? Are you sneak ahead?

943
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: I just like the ones that people can't get? Yeah, those,

944
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,439
Speaker 1: I mean it's like it's like a competition. But then

945
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 1: when I posted you got you got the real steak

946
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 1: your head standing there take, they're jealous. So yeah, I'm

947
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: just talking to like I like, I like to figure

948
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: out what makes the like successful people great, Like why

949
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 1: are they so great in their profession and their fields?

950
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: And and I just think I have a voice out

951
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: there for for women, and I want to put that

952
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 1: on full display because now it's times like like talking

953
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: makes me uncomfortable. But when you're uncomfortable. Growth is taking place,

954
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 1: So I always want to grow as a as an individual,

955
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna use this platform on them the

956
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: spread some good news. So if someone has you know,

957
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,400
Speaker 1: if they're in the field or not, we know what

958
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: what what connects great people who are successful and I

959
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: want people to I want people to eat. I want

960
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 1: people to be great at what they do. And if

961
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: if words from other people help, not mean giving the

962
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: platform to you know, to receive the information you You

963
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: also have something that money can buy, and that's experience.

964
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: Experience is the best teacher and a lot of times

965
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: that's all people want to hear. People access all the time.

966
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 1: Give us a story by when using the locker room

967
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: because people will never see those things, you know what

968
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So experience is always the best teaching people.

969
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: People love that when it's all said and done. Six

970
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: time w NBA All Star, w NBA ten Anniversary Team

971
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 1: in two thousand six, w BA fifteen Anniversary Team in

972
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:55,680
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, Hall of Famer, and more accolades. What

973
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: are you most proud of? I'm most proud of being

974
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: the odds either because that's the some of that's the

975
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: some of it all, Like I mean, growing up in

976
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 1: the projects. You you know, people looking from the outside looking,

977
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,080
Speaker 1: then you're you're not supposed to mount to anything. You

978
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: know this the yeah, the odds are stacked against you.

979
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 1: So I beat the odds. And I'm trying to share

980
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: and and and and help out other people who just

981
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: need a little ray of hope. And you know, I

982
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 1: reached back like also just want to share it to

983
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: Like I went back. I went back to my neighbor

984
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: when we won a national championship, I went back to

985
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: my neighborhood. There's a rec center that I grew up playing.

986
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: I grew up playing and it was called the Moralin

987
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: Recreation Center that was renamed the Hank Gatherers Recreation Center.

988
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: So I went back there and gave them a national

989
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: championship replica trophy and a and a case and its

990
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 1: it lives there because that is you know, as as

991
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: any young person that walks through those doors, that's the hope,

992
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: that's the dream. That's just say hey, it's a tangible

993
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,479
Speaker 1: thing to say, hey, you know that that hard work

994
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: and that hardware was was was was honed in these

995
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: in this gym on these rims in this place. So

996
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: so I just like to just just make sure that

997
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: people that people can come up, Like I am all

998
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 1: for people coming up and realizing their dreams and reaching

999
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: their full potential. That's what's up question real quick, Um,

1000
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: do you have any you mentioned Het Gathers twice. Do

1001
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: you have any hate gathering stories or just if not,

1002
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: stories how Philadelphia looked at him as a person. Yeah, well,

1003
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Hank Gathers was was the epitome of like

1004
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 1: hard work. Like you look at him play, he's working

1005
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: harder than any other player. Um, you know his tragic death,

1006
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: he he couldn't work as hard as he normally worked,

1007
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: so he took less medicine. Yeah, so you know, he

1008
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: is the epitome of of of who we are as

1009
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:10,000
Speaker 1: Philadelphia's and as we blue cloud of workers. We only

1010
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: he only wanted to make it to the league. You know,

1011
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 1: he was one of them that wanted to make it

1012
01:00:14,280 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: to the league for his family and that was cut short.

1013
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: And we don't know why things happen, but certainly his

1014
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: his legacy lives on and a lot of us, um,

1015
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: well we'll never will never forget him. Absolutely, Rest in peace,

1016
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: quick hitters. First thing to come to mind. Let it out.

1017
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Top five greatest female athletes of all time? You're talking

1018
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: about good question. Yeah, Jackie joined the Kersey nice Um, Serena,

1019
01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: Teresa Edwards, Flow, Joe, Hello, Joe. You know before Serena,

1020
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: Stephie Graff was one of my favorite I'm tennis. Yeah,

1021
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: you gotta know about Stephi grad What album can you

1022
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: listen to or repeat with no skips anything? Baby face? Okay?

1023
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: Is that how you were? Were you someone? Because I

1024
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: was I was mixed? But were you? Were you someone

1025
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: listened to like rap rap or you or or R

1026
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 1: and B. What did you listen to get I'm old

1027
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: school R and be in gospel like rap rap. I

1028
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: gotta listen to something I can I can actually understands. Yeah,

1029
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,600
Speaker 1: so rap rap. Let me see. You know somebody told me,

1030
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't notice, somebody told me, you know the

1031
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: Roots is from Philadelphia that they actually said my name

1032
01:01:56,560 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: in one of their songs. Actually, what's your calls father?

1033
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:08,280
Speaker 1: What's his name? Porter? For the Nuggets? Michael Porter, Yes,

1034
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: junior senior, who was a coach at Missouri on the

1035
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: women's side at first before he went to the men's side.

1036
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,919
Speaker 1: When his son you know went to Missouri. He told

1037
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: me that, okay, small world, what's up? I gotta go.

1038
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go find that song. See what she's talking about?

1039
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: Court side to relieve, relieve any game in history? Which

1040
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: one would it be? NBA? No, it could be any

1041
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:41,919
Speaker 1: any game, a game in history, any game? Oh six

1042
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 1: is eight? Three championships court side, court side? Dr cheeks Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1043
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: silent five dinner guests dead or alive. Okay, it's a

1044
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 1: good one. Um um oprah Oprah would take up the

1045
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: whole conversation though, um Princess Diana, Oh yep, um uh

1046
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: barack mm hmm mm hmmm. Yeah, you guys stunning at

1047
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: me with this one. Uh dead or live? My mom?

1048
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: M hmm, nice mom. And you know I'm gonna I'm

1049
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go a little younger. I've met her before, though,

1050
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say I was gonna say Serena.

1051
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,040
Speaker 1: But I met Serena before she was young then, and

1052
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:48,560
Speaker 1: I met at the Olympic Games. I'm gonna say, I'm

1053
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: gonna bring Kobe back. If you can see any guests

1054
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 1: I have any guests on all the smoke, who would

1055
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: it be? But before you answer the question, you have

1056
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 1: to help us get your answer on our show. Then

1057
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: I set a set up. It's a whole set up.

1058
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: I just get you said. Any guests, Yeah, whatever you want.

1059
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 1: Who do you want to see on the show. Yeah,

1060
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:27,400
Speaker 1: go get Serena, Tiger Woods, both of them, both of them. Well. Oh,

1061
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Speaker 1: our our our research team find us called Dundee is

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