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Speaker 1: got to play of the day coming up as well.
Speaker 1: The first ever virtual NFL Draft was a hit, a
Speaker 1: big hit. They're already talking about using some of these
Speaker 1: elements as they move forward with future drafts. And the
Speaker 1: ratings obviously didn't suffer. People were looking for something to watch,
Speaker 1: anything to watch. First and second day set records for
Speaker 1: a viewership. And you show the executive, you show coaches,
Speaker 1: you show players at home, and it humanized these people.
Speaker 1: It provided a lot of fun content content, and you know,
Speaker 1: people were picking apart the home decor of the players
Speaker 1: and the coaches and the gms, and some writers suggested
Speaker 1: doing the draft like this every year moving forward. I
Speaker 1: disagree with that. It's a novel approach, but you know,
Speaker 1: this cold for this because it was we're going through.
Speaker 1: This wasn't somebody who said, hey, let's do this. This
Speaker 1: was a necessity. I can't imagine next year in LA
Speaker 1: or the following year in Vegas, you're going to do
Speaker 1: this and not really kind of explore what Vegas and
Speaker 1: Los Angeles are all about. You want that pomp and circumstance.
Speaker 1: This was great. You know, the Draft has changed since
Speaker 1: they moved it out of Radio City Music Hall, took
Speaker 1: over cities like Philadelphia and Nashville. Did a wonderful job,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure there's going to be compromises here. You
Speaker 1: can take the best parts of both formats. But either way,
Speaker 1: the Draft will go down as a bright spot in
Speaker 1: NFL history. The commissioner and everybody in front of the camera,
Speaker 1: behind the camera, behind the scenes did a wonderful job
Speaker 1: with this. The draft delivered both in abundance, entertainment and
Speaker 1: some optimism there. But I can't see moving forward where
Speaker 1: Hey we're in Vegas. Remember Vegas was going to have
Speaker 1: a boat. They were going to have gondolas taking the
Speaker 1: players to the stage. They had canals that they were
Speaker 1: going to use. That was the opposite of what we had.
Speaker 1: I liked it. It did humanize Belichick at home with
Speaker 1: his dog. You had the setup with Cliff Kingsbury, Mike
Speaker 1: Vrabel kids, pets. You know, you had the draft picks
Speaker 1: at home with their family. I like it. You can
Speaker 1: incorporate that. I would love it if we had the
Speaker 1: capability the technology to be able to give you a
Speaker 1: screen of all of the war rooms. Now you couldn't
Speaker 1: hear it, but you could pick your war room and
Speaker 1: you could just watch that. Now, you could also have
Speaker 1: the split screen where you have the commissioner, you have
Speaker 1: the draft picks, you have videos, whatever that is. You
Speaker 1: could do that, but you could pick your draft room,
Speaker 1: your war room there, and I think that would be entertaining.
Speaker 1: I did like the fact that you had these front
Speaker 1: office people, coaches or players in their element with their families,
Speaker 1: and I think as we move forward, you'll incorporate some
Speaker 1: of that. But if that's all you were showing, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not showing, you know, the red carpet, and you're
Speaker 1: not showing what Vegas is going to look like when
Speaker 1: they roll this out, what they're gonna do with the
Speaker 1: new stadium and the rollout in Los Angeles. You know,
Speaker 1: I think we like this because we were hungry for anything.
Speaker 1: You could have shown anything, and I think we would
Speaker 1: have been fine with it. But I can't imagine as
Speaker 1: we move forward where you go, Okay, that's what the
Speaker 1: draft is going to be. You know, the network wants
Speaker 1: to show, you know, bells and whistles here. They want
Speaker 1: to have people in locations, they want to have beautiful
Speaker 1: pictures there. They weren't able to do that. You got
Speaker 1: creative lighting on Bristol, Connecticut and the ESPN headquarters, like
Speaker 1: that was the glam shot. Now we did get some,
Speaker 1: you know, Cliff Kingsbury with his home, but other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody really was had a tricked out place.
Speaker 1: I liked the simplicity of Belichick there. And I think
Speaker 1: the dog made the pick. I started to think that
Speaker 1: did the dog hit a button that? Like Bill put
Speaker 1: him up there? And all of a sudden, did you
Speaker 1: know the dog you know with his paw like click
Speaker 1: on something? And then they drafted the kid out of
Speaker 1: Lenora Rhyne and I thought that was his name. I
Speaker 1: went they drafted Lenora Rhyne. Oh that's right. There is
Speaker 1: a college called Lenora Rhyne. I liked it. It was fun,
Speaker 1: it was well done. I thought Rhys Davis Trey Wingo.
Speaker 1: To be able to navigate the traffic that you have there,
Speaker 1: just on the draft by itself without this pandemic is
Speaker 1: hard to do, and they were able to do it seamlessly.
Speaker 1: Anybody want to keep the draft the way it was
Speaker 1: what we saw this weekend. As we move forward, that's
Speaker 1: what you want to see, any of the Danettes. I
Speaker 1: want to see this as we move forward. I liked it,
Speaker 1: but I liked it as a one off. Yeah, Seaton, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that there's some elements of it you can keep,
Speaker 1: but I don't want it to be that stripped down.
Speaker 1: That was a little too basic. Yeah, Paulie, I do
Speaker 1: like a handful of draftees from home, and but they've
Speaker 1: always done that. They have draftees on the site. What
Speaker 1: if they have in Vegas, but they'll have drafteas at home.
Speaker 1: You can see the home reaction. So as long as
Speaker 1: they keep that part of it. But as far as
Speaker 1: like Belichick at home, that was perfect. That looks like
Speaker 1: what we would do doing a fantasy football draft. You pick,
Speaker 1: you jump up, you walk around your house, you go back,
Speaker 1: you pick. Yeah. Mclovin, Yeah, I mean I kind of
Speaker 1: agree with paul. It was interesting to see the gms
Speaker 1: and their kids. But I love the Nashville and the
Speaker 1: Philly the pump, and I think the economic reasons are
Speaker 1: valid too, Like, isn't that a lot of money to
Speaker 1: those cities? Oh sure, yeah, and it will be for
Speaker 1: Los Angeles with that new stadium, and then of course
Speaker 1: Vegas when they get their opportunity. All right, age seven
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Speaker 1: dot com Twitter, hand to a DPS show. Mclevin's got
Speaker 1: a pull question or two. There were a couple of surprises,
Speaker 1: not many surprises. Remember, leading up to the draft, we
Speaker 1: had a couple of analysts say, oh, there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot of trades. I don't think you had a
Speaker 1: lot of trades because of the virtual draft set up.
Speaker 1: I think that that played a large role in this,
Speaker 1: that teams were a little bit more cautious in what
Speaker 1: they were doing, and they locked in on who they
Speaker 1: wanted and they did their damnness to get that pick.
Speaker 1: You saw some outliers, which we'll talk about, you know,
Speaker 1: the Eagles taking Jalen Hurts, what happened with the Packers
Speaker 1: with Jordan Love. But I think there were some jams
Speaker 1: who were frustrated that they were trying to make picks
Speaker 1: and they couldn't do it. What do you have? McLevin?
Speaker 1: So yeah, I had a question, what is the biggest
Speaker 1: surprise the Packers taking quarterback in the first round and
Speaker 1: no wide receivers, the Eagles taking Jalen Hurts in the
Speaker 1: second round. I don't know if it's a surprise, but
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston signing with the Saints. I'm fine with Jamis
Speaker 1: instance signing with the Saints. I think it's like that. Yes,
Speaker 1: I think it's a very good move. But I got
Speaker 1: Sean Payton and I've got Drew Brees. I don't need
Speaker 1: him to play, but when he does play, I want
Speaker 1: him to make better decisions. We all know he has
Speaker 1: great talent. He doesn't make good decisions with Sean Payton
Speaker 1: and Drew Brees. No more excuses. If you can't learn
Speaker 1: with them, then you're not going to learn the position.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. Jalen Hurts with the Eagles, I
Speaker 1: get it. This isn't about Hey, the Eagles are looking
Speaker 1: at maybe they're Taysom Hill. I think they're looking at
Speaker 1: their quarterback and Carson Wentz. To me, this is more
Speaker 1: about Carson Wentz than it is. We want to find
Speaker 1: our Taysom Hill as well or our Lamar Jackson. I
Speaker 1: think I like Jalen Hurts. I wish that he would
Speaker 1: have gone to a team where he would have been
Speaker 1: the eventual successor in maybe two years, but he might
Speaker 1: be playing because of the way Carson Wentz plays. I
Speaker 1: like what the Eagles did in getting Jalen Hurts. Nate
Speaker 1: Sudfeld is not going to scare anybody. I think Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts has the ability to come in and put some
Speaker 1: pressure on a defense if he has to, you know.
Speaker 1: But I think Carson Wentz played all every game last year,
Speaker 1: so maybe he's getting smarter, but he has to. Yes, mclovin,
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, if Philly was ready to burn
Speaker 1: down Lincoln Financial Field, they were I raped. The fans were, stop.
Speaker 1: You got your wide receiver in the first round, which
Speaker 1: you needed that, and you got it. This was a
Speaker 1: value pick, and you got Jalen Hurts and you got
Speaker 1: a really what I think is a really good backup quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, to start the season they took a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Then no one expected them to take Jalen Ragar instead
Speaker 1: of the one that everyone knew Jefferson from Alice you
Speaker 1: you know, but then again they bowed McNabb in ninety eight.
Speaker 1: I know, look, we we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like when they go, oh, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna bring in Nick Foles. Nick Foles, he can't play,
Speaker 1: you know, he nearly retired. How did that work out?
Speaker 1: And I was there at the NAB draft when they
Speaker 1: booed him, and I went, yeah, they don't even know
Speaker 1: this guy. Donovan McNabb is a borderline Hall of famer.
Speaker 1: Now we want those shiny objects that we know. Their
Speaker 1: job is to find the right person, not Hey, you
Speaker 1: guys don't know who this guy is. Would any camp
Speaker 1: be any good? That's not always the case. We know
Speaker 1: that there are just so many situations where we go,
Speaker 1: who's that guy? Who's Russell Wilson? Wait, Dak Prescott. That's
Speaker 1: why when it comes to draft picks, when you see
Speaker 1: what you're doing, the team and what they're doing, I'm
Speaker 1: going to give you the benefit of the doubt. I'm
Speaker 1: assuming you got guys who spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: on that player or the player you're not going to take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Paul Dan, I went back and looked at some old
Speaker 1: drafts and draft grades today, and you're exactly right. When
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson was drafted, people said, that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: You just spent a bunch of money on Matt Flynn
Speaker 1: in the offseason. That's a wasted draft pick. When Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins was drafted by the Red that makes no sense.
Speaker 1: In the first round you took a quarterback, you take
Speaker 1: one of the fourth game alignment or a tight end.
Speaker 1: Same thing with um you know different Dak Prescott, like
Speaker 1: Tony Rown was in his prime. You don't need a quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why when it comes to the reaction overreaction, and
Speaker 1: you guys, remember when people Dallas Cowboy fans wanted Johnny Manziel,
Speaker 1: not Zack Martin, not a Hall of Famer. You wanted
Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel because you knew Johnny Manziel. We like when
Speaker 1: our teams draft somebody we know. Then you get the
Speaker 1: Packers with Jordan love Now. I told you on Friday,
Speaker 1: why didn't like it for a couple of reasons. Now,
Speaker 1: I was letting it soak in. I was gonna let
Speaker 1: it simmer a little bit and go, Okay, maybe I
Speaker 1: have a different approach here. Maybe I'm gonna feel differently
Speaker 1: about this now I feel worse about this if I'm
Speaker 1: a Packer fan for the following reason. You trade it
Speaker 1: up for Jordan love Now, I told you that. I
Speaker 1: found out my source said the cold We're going to
Speaker 1: take Jordan Love. They ended up taking a quarterback in
Speaker 1: Jacobieson out of Washington they were going to take. From
Speaker 1: what I was told they were taking Jordan Love. That's
Speaker 1: where the Packers wanted to go up and get it.
Speaker 1: Why maybe they think he's the next Patrick Mahomes. I
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. If you're going to look
Speaker 1: at the Green Bay Packers and say, well, you got
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback, why can't he make these wide receivers great?
Speaker 1: Tom Brady did this. The reason why the Packers didn't
Speaker 1: go to the super Bowl was because of their defense,
Speaker 1: not their offense. Now do I think they were a
Speaker 1: legitimate thirteen and three team. I do not, In fact,
Speaker 1: the entire season. I even said on the show numerous times,
Speaker 1: I don't know how good the Packers are, and I
Speaker 1: still don't. I think they're more of a ten or
Speaker 1: eleven win team. They won thirteen. They could have gone
Speaker 1: to the super Bowl. The reason why they didn't their defense.
Speaker 1: That's what they needed to shore up. Now you can
Speaker 1: say did they do a good job and that, well,
Speaker 1: we can discuss that as well. If you're taking Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: You just signed up Aaron Rodgers. He's got four years left.
Speaker 1: So if I look at the financials here, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do? Trade him? Cut him? Is Rogers leaving
Speaker 1: in the next two years, and I'm going to say
Speaker 1: probably not three years. Maybe the reason why you draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round is you get to
Speaker 1: have that rookie contract. So I'm going to take Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: The first three years of that team friendly contract, he's
Speaker 1: not playing. Then we get to the fourth year, will
Speaker 1: he be playing? Then what if we get to the
Speaker 1: fifth year where you've taken him, and you've just wasted
Speaker 1: the five year window to have a quarterback who doesn't
Speaker 1: make achingly painful money for the salary cap. Right, look
Speaker 1: at what Alex Smith did for the Chiefs, and the
Speaker 1: Chiefs said we can get Mahomes. He sits for one year,
Speaker 1: not one and they win a Super Bowl because they
Speaker 1: have a team friendly contract. That's why it doesn't make
Speaker 1: any sense for Jordan Love. Now, we could all sit
Speaker 1: here and go, well, but if he's a Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: quarterback and he's your quarterback for the next ten years,
Speaker 1: he's not going to be my quarterback. For the next
Speaker 1: four years. What I want out of that quarterback is
Speaker 1: immediate dividends. Joe Burrow plays right away. Twoah sits for
Speaker 1: one year. Justin Herbert probably sits for one year. Now
Speaker 1: I have a team friendly contract. Jordan Love, he's not
Speaker 1: sitting for one, he's not sitting for two. Maybe the
Speaker 1: third year you get Jordan Love in there. Maybe that's
Speaker 1: best case scenario. That's why I didn't agree you trade up.
Speaker 1: You could use defensive help. If you're going to trade up,
Speaker 1: trade up for somebody who helps you now a thirteen
Speaker 1: and three team unless management went, you know, we're really
Speaker 1: not that good. We got a lot of holes here.
Speaker 1: You found the running back. Your wide receivers are you know,
Speaker 1: aside from Davante Adams, they're okay. That's not a ringing
Speaker 1: endorsement there. But I got Aaron Rodgers. Your defense was poor.
Speaker 1: Your defense hurt you, and the Niners ran all over you.
Speaker 1: If that's who teams would always build their team in
Speaker 1: accordance to how they matched up with the Patriots. If
Speaker 1: I'm the Packers, how do we match up with the Niners, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, got even better they did? Scary? I
Speaker 1: think Baltimore got better, and I'm talking about you know,
Speaker 1: the elite teams getting better. Baltimore got better, but San
Speaker 1: Francisco got a steal in Trent Williams. So you have
Speaker 1: Joe Staley retire and they go get Trent Williams, crazy,
Speaker 1: get a wide receiver, trade to Forrest Buckner, you get
Speaker 1: defensive line. John Lynch did a good job, did a
Speaker 1: good job, and that's the difference there. You know, the
Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine ers got better. Green Bay didn't
Speaker 1: get better. They got different, but they didn't get better.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, you didn't take any wide receivers in
Speaker 1: a wide receiver heavy draft. You didn't take one. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's your defense going to be formidable, and if it is,
Speaker 1: then maybe this works out. Baltimore got better. Now Dobbins
Speaker 1: Ingram might think is thirty. So you got a guy,
Speaker 1: you know, another running back in there. I love Queen Patrick. Queen,
Speaker 1: you got a talented defensive player as well. But you know,
Speaker 1: when people talk about a draft and they give you
Speaker 1: a grade, your draft is in entire draft, not just
Speaker 1: the first two picks. We focus on the first and
Speaker 1: second rounds. Drafts are won and lost after that, and
Speaker 1: I was also looking at the Vikings. The Vikings had
Speaker 1: twelve picks on the last day, like an expansion team
Speaker 1: has twelve picks, not a team that's a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Those guys aren't gonna Why not take twelve picks and
Speaker 1: narrow and package that to get three picks. Because three picks,
Speaker 1: I can get guys who will play. Twelve picks they're
Speaker 1: not going to play on a playoff caliber team. Didn't
Speaker 1: understand that philosophy at all. Take the twelve and move
Speaker 1: up and get two great players instead a bunch of bodies.
Speaker 1: And plus you have the offseason. That's not an offseason.
Speaker 1: You're not even gonna give them a chance to make
Speaker 1: the team. But if I trade those picks up and
Speaker 1: I get some guys who are going to play, that
Speaker 1: to me was the smart choice. All right, come up
Speaker 1: with a poll question here, we'll talk to a Mic
Speaker 1: Renner Pro Football Focus. Fritzie said, you got to look
Speaker 1: at these opinions with Mike Renner. He did a great job.
Speaker 1: It was just, you know, there's no bias there. He
Speaker 1: just gives you a raft grade and he'll tell you
Speaker 1: why he doesn't like the Chargers in what they did.
Speaker 1: Doesn't like what they did with Justin Herbert, and he
Speaker 1: had some thoughts prior to the draft on the Chargers
Speaker 1: should have gone all the way up to three. You
Speaker 1: know who had another good draft the Lions. And it's
Speaker 1: rare when we say that about the Lions. I thought
Speaker 1: the Lions did well, really did well. All Right, we'll
Speaker 1: take a break, We'll talk some football. We've got some
Speaker 1: phone calls. We got Reggie Miller a little later on,
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of topics to dive into
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Speaker 1: dot com. Michael and Michigan joins us. Hey, Mike, what
Speaker 1: do you have for me today? ADP first time, long
Speaker 1: time six foot a meaty two fifteen. We want to
Speaker 1: talk to you about this Packers pick. Man. I've been
Speaker 1: sitting for three days this here, and everyone talk about
Speaker 1: the Packers and Jordan Love and oh my god, what
Speaker 1: they do? You know? Honestly, Man, I gotta tell you
Speaker 1: who's our backup quarterback when Rogers goes down? Longtime Packer fan,
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of Super Bowl runs shut down
Speaker 1: because we lose Rogers. Well, okay, okay, go back and
Speaker 1: behind man. All right, here you go, Michael, thank you
Speaker 1: for the phone call. If that's the case, then bringing
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton or bring in Cam Newton or bringing Jamis Winston.
Speaker 1: If you're worried about who's our backup quarterback. I just
Speaker 1: didn't like the Jordan Love pick you went up to
Speaker 1: get him. He's not going to play for at least
Speaker 1: three years. You want that team friendly rookie quarterback contract,
Speaker 1: like it just doesn't make sense. And I know he
Speaker 1: might be the next Patrick Mahomes. We keep hearing that
Speaker 1: you needed to shore up your defense because the Niners
Speaker 1: gouged you, ran all over you, and you went you
Speaker 1: were you were went away from the Super Bowl. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Mike Renner Pro Football Focus lead draft analyst,
Speaker 1: and did a great job in summing up the draft.
Speaker 1: He had great opinions there and Mike joins this. Now, Mike,
Speaker 1: good Morning, let me start with the Jordan Love trade.
Speaker 1: Explain it. Tell me the good of the Packers taking
Speaker 1: Jordan Love. Well, the good is with the rest of
Speaker 1: their draft, I gotta ended up being their best pick. Actually,
Speaker 1: so the good is that he has the tools. Like
Speaker 1: the Patrick Mahomes comparison that everyone wants to make. It's
Speaker 1: not fair to him. He doesn't necessarily have that level
Speaker 1: of ability or even that level of performs at college,
Speaker 1: but he has that natural arm talent. You saw it
Speaker 1: on a tape at Utah State. We tracked these things
Speaker 1: called big time throws here at PFF, which are special
Speaker 1: downfield throws with accuracy. You were still top five in
Speaker 1: the nation last year in that category despite play with
Speaker 1: not a lot of talent around him at Utah State.
Speaker 1: So that's what you fall in love with with him
Speaker 1: the pick though I can't get on board with the
Speaker 1: national media. No one seems to be able to get
Speaker 1: on board it just because of Aaron Rodgers four years
Speaker 1: left on his contract. Jordan Love up and down over
Speaker 1: the course of his career, almost made picks his touchdowns
Speaker 1: last year. You better be right about this evaluation. If
Speaker 1: you're Brian Goodacoons or else, you just drafted a guy
Speaker 1: who didn't even play at a big school, who wasn't
Speaker 1: even good last year. To us, sir, if Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: do you like Jordan Love better than Justin Herbert, I'll
Speaker 1: say I'd rather come away from the first round with
Speaker 1: Jordan Love than Justin Herbert because I think he can
Speaker 1: get to that level, Like I think his ceiling could
Speaker 1: be a top ten quarterback in the NFL. Justin Herbert,
Speaker 1: for as much as you know the big arm that
Speaker 1: evaluators fall in love with and looks the part and
Speaker 1: looks great in shorts, he didn't have that level you know,
Speaker 1: downfield accuracy or level of accuracy just in general. Now
Speaker 1: he operated the offense are at organ state a little
Speaker 1: bit better. He's a little bit more capable. Right at
Speaker 1: the moment, moment. But he's the same guy we saw
Speaker 1: as a sophomore at Oregon. His grade actually peaked sophomore year.
Speaker 1: The things you wanted to see improve more throws with touch,
Speaker 1: more you know, improve an accuracy, more command of the offense,
Speaker 1: you didn't see over the course of his career. So
Speaker 1: usually when guys are four year stars in college, you
Speaker 1: like it. But the fact that they didn't get any
Speaker 1: better is almost a negative in r What should the
Speaker 1: Chargers have done? They should have moved up, I mean,
Speaker 1: quite frankly, I thought going in that that was their plan.
Speaker 1: They were going to move up to get to a
Speaker 1: tongue of Valoa because they need people to fill that stadium.
Speaker 1: They're laughing stock to be NFL not filling out an
Speaker 1: MLS stadium. They need to sell tickets, you know, sell
Speaker 1: season tickets. There two of the guy that moved the
Speaker 1: needle personality wise, you know, with what he's done in
Speaker 1: the stats he had at Alabama, I think he's a
Speaker 1: much much better quarterback prospect. I can't see how you
Speaker 1: could evaluate both of them and not come to that conclusion.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what it would have taken for
Speaker 1: them to move up. I don't think it would have
Speaker 1: taken that much, because you know, anyone they would have
Speaker 1: moved up with would have gotten the same guy. So
Speaker 1: crazy to me that they didn't and stuck and got her.
Speaker 1: When you look at your draft strategy, when you apply
Speaker 1: these grades, how do you come up with your formula
Speaker 1: that you're going to give somebody an A or an
Speaker 1: A plus or give somebody a C minus. So that
Speaker 1: part is not as scientific as some of the draft board. Actually,
Speaker 1: that one's more a little subjective, okay, but we do
Speaker 1: it is based on where they we valued them on
Speaker 1: our draft board. And more so, what we factor into
Speaker 1: our draft board that a lot of people might not
Speaker 1: is the positional value that you're getting with these picks.
Speaker 1: If you're drafting or running back in the second round,
Speaker 1: you're just not going to recoup your value the way
Speaker 1: you could with say a cornerback, with a pass rusher
Speaker 1: or something at that point in the draft. So that's
Speaker 1: one thing we factor in heavily here at Pro Football
Speaker 1: flore But you have the Chiefs taking a running back
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, and it's not
Speaker 1: who they take, it's when they taken. Because then the
Speaker 1: Lions take swift in the second round, So that which
Speaker 1: one's smarter or explain your philosophy on that. So running backs,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is I mean, the chief saw themselves.
Speaker 1: You've got a guy off the street who was damn
Speaker 1: near Super Bowl MVP. Because what matters at the running
Speaker 1: back position in terms of production is not necessarily skill.
Speaker 1: Look like, the evaluation of the skill level is one
Speaker 1: of the least important things in terms of how many
Speaker 1: yards per carry they get and how productive your rushing
Speaker 1: offense is. It's much more play calling, it's much more
Speaker 1: the quality of your offensive lind that matters to those things,
Speaker 1: to the success or not success of your running game.
Speaker 1: The running backs a small cog in that part in
Speaker 1: that puzzle. And the fact of the matter is there's
Speaker 1: just a lot of guys who are dynamic running threats
Speaker 1: at the position. There's a lot of running backs who
Speaker 1: are talented. And so that's why you see a guy
Speaker 1: like Philip lindsay as a UDFA and have a higher
Speaker 1: yards per carry over the first two years of his career.
Speaker 1: That's a Quon Barkley who went number two overall. That's
Speaker 1: just that's a fact of life in the NFL, and
Speaker 1: so we don't want to be taking the ball out
Speaker 1: of Patrick mahomes hands. We think he's that good. We
Speaker 1: think that passing offense is that dynamic that if you
Speaker 1: draft a guy in the first round in Clyde Edwards Hilaire,
Speaker 1: you almost have to give him carries to just to
Speaker 1: fy that pick, and that's taking the ball out Patrick
Speaker 1: mahomes hands. All right, Well, then, using that philosophy or
Speaker 1: those opinions, if I go back, obviously, Leonard Fournette then
Speaker 1: is a bad draft pick for Jacksonville no matter what
Speaker 1: he did. Sae Quon Barkley is a bad the draft
Speaker 1: pick for the Giants considering where they took him. I
Speaker 1: believe so. And it's the opportunity to cost what you
Speaker 1: gave up with a number two overall pick, you could
Speaker 1: have drafted guys and I'm trying to think back to
Speaker 1: that draft. Who was all on the board. You could
Speaker 1: have drafted obviously a quarterback, well, Clinton Nelson, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could have drafted a Garden Quinton Nelson. And you look
Speaker 1: at the Colts offensive. Then the rushing game over the
Speaker 1: past two years has been better than the Giants rushing
Speaker 1: game over the past two years because that offensive line
Speaker 1: is what matters to the running game, and they also
Speaker 1: when you invest in that offensive line and you know,
Speaker 1: draft those guys up front, it also has an added
Speaker 1: effect to the passing game because the best run blockers
Speaker 1: are also usually the best pass protectors. So that's where
Speaker 1: I'm going to invest if I do want to improve
Speaker 1: my running game. There were a couple of teams that
Speaker 1: I liked with what they did, and then I sort
Speaker 1: of changed my opinion after I read what Pro Football
Speaker 1: Focus was talking about. You know, did the Ravens have
Speaker 1: a good draft? Felt like the Cowboys had a good draft.
Speaker 1: I like what the Lions did. I'm still got a
Speaker 1: question mark with the Dolphins because I got a question
Speaker 1: with Tua and even Austin Jackson who they took later
Speaker 1: in the first round as a project. So grade my grade,
Speaker 1: I will say the Dolphins they win just because two.
Speaker 1: Talking about Looa at number five is a slam dunk
Speaker 1: and any other year he doesn't have the hip whatever
Speaker 1: he goes number one overall. Joe Bird doesn't exist. We're
Speaker 1: talking about him as the number one overall pick right now,
Speaker 1: so that getting him at fifth when usually a guy
Speaker 1: like that goes either first or second in every single
Speaker 1: draft is a massive win for them. Not having trade up.
Speaker 1: The Austin Jackson pick. First round is not where you
Speaker 1: take projects on the offensive tackle position because athletic tools
Speaker 1: at offensive tackle don't necessarily translated. We look at, you know,
Speaker 1: combined data. The combined data at the offense tackle position
Speaker 1: is not nearly as predictive too future success as it
Speaker 1: is for a lot of about positions. So you can
Speaker 1: chase guys who have the athleticism, that doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: going to be good pros. And Austin Jackson, his tape
Speaker 1: at USC was not great. I mean he got beaten
Speaker 1: a lot, especially look at the bowl game against Iowa
Speaker 1: and aj F and SA three sacks he allowed that game,
Speaker 1: So not great there. So I go back and forth.
Speaker 1: Still a good draft getting your franchise quarterback, though the
Speaker 1: Ravens is the one where yes, who love the linebacker
Speaker 1: pick and some of the ones later on, But they
Speaker 1: had Gus Edwards averaging five and a half yards for
Speaker 1: carrying a UDFA. Going back to that running back conversation,
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily need to get a JK. Dobbins there. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure what he brings to the table that they
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily already have Cowboys though. I like what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did. I think it was a smart you know,
Speaker 1: Jerry usually has that Jerry the owner has the temptation
Speaker 1: to do something crazy. You know. It felt like Jerry
Speaker 1: the GM and Jerry the Owner were on the same page.
Speaker 1: I love the Cowboys draft. One of the four a
Speaker 1: pluses we gave out was Dallas's and the Seedee Lamb pick.
Speaker 1: While it may seem decadent to get that third receiver
Speaker 1: in there, Mike McCarthy, you three wide receivers. That was
Speaker 1: like his mo in Green Bay was he never took
Speaker 1: those three receivers off the field. It was like ninety
Speaker 1: plus percent of their snaps. So that means Cede Lance
Speaker 1: to start. It means from day one he's going to
Speaker 1: be playing for them. And we had him as the
Speaker 1: sixth overall player in this draft class. We love that pick.
Speaker 1: And then to get Treyvon Diggs in the second round,
Speaker 1: the Alabama cornerback second longest wingspan of any cornerback in
Speaker 1: this draft class. He only allowed one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: yards all season long, outside of that LSU game that
Speaker 1: everyone remembers from getting Torch, but the rest of the
Speaker 1: year he dominated. People thought they might have taken him
Speaker 1: in the first round, took him all the way in
Speaker 1: the second. So to slam dunk those first and second
Speaker 1: round picks at valuable positions. In our eyes, Cowboys one
Speaker 1: of the best drafts. Okay, so Cowboys get an eight plus?
Speaker 1: Did you give the Dolphins an eight plus? I did not.
Speaker 1: I can't remember off the top of my head. With
Speaker 1: getting Dolphins. The other eight pluses were the Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 1: They got three guys. Their first three picks were top
Speaker 1: seventy five or top twenty five players on our draft
Speaker 1: board in Jordan Elliott, Grant Delpit and Jedrick Wills there
Speaker 1: in the first round. Also the Arizona Cardinals who got
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons in the first Josh Jones. And the third,
Speaker 1: which in my opinion, was the steal of the draft,
Speaker 1: the Houston offensive tackle, the fourteenth player on our draft board.
Speaker 1: They needed offensive line help, thought they'd go there in
Speaker 1: the first round. To get that guy in the third
Speaker 1: was crazy, And you got a factor in the DeAndre
Speaker 1: Hopkins trade, like the second round pick. To flip that
Speaker 1: into DeAndre Hopkins, massive win for them. And then the
Speaker 1: last a plus for us was the gosh off the
Speaker 1: top about him blanking new demo Bronco Scots. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so Jerry Judy kJ Hamdler. They had a theme of
Speaker 1: this draft and that was to get you locked the
Speaker 1: weapons he needs, the speed he needs. And then also
Speaker 1: Alberto at tight end who ran a four to four nine.
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're gonna go toe to toe with the
Speaker 1: Kenton State Chiefs in terms of speed and out in
Speaker 1: the AFC West and give through a lock every chance
Speaker 1: he needs to succeed there. The worst grade that you
Speaker 1: handed out was it's the Green Bay Packers. And like
Speaker 1: I said, for Jordan Love to be their best selection
Speaker 1: was crazy to be. If I would have told you
Speaker 1: that after the first day, you would have said I
Speaker 1: was dead wrong. But then they draft a running back,
Speaker 1: a backup running back by you in the second round
Speaker 1: and a fullback in the third round. They drafted like
Speaker 1: it was nineteen eighty nine. It was good stuff. Mike.
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed reading it, and we appreciate you coming
Speaker 1: on for sure day. Thanks for having me out. It's
Speaker 1: Mike Renner, Pro Football Focus Lead Draft to analysts, and
Speaker 1: you know you start to read these analysis you're starting
Speaker 1: to read and you hear grades, and then you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, what are they basing this on? And then
Speaker 1: you get their information and what they've been, you know,
Speaker 1: what they program, what they put into their computers, and
Speaker 1: so you may not agree with all of it, but
Speaker 1: I found it interesting with the Chargers should have moved
Speaker 1: up that justin Herbert has not in the same category
Speaker 1: as Jordan Love didn't like the Jordan Love trade. Cowboys
Speaker 1: did well. Broncos are basically saying, we see your you know,
Speaker 1: it's a copycat league. We see your formula in Kansas City,
Speaker 1: and we're going to try to match that. And that's
Speaker 1: what they did, bringing in these wide receivers there. You know,
Speaker 1: Baltimore taking a running back. Dobbins is you know, a
Speaker 1: rate running back? But is he does it make sense
Speaker 1: to take a running back? You know, the Cowboys or
Speaker 1: the Packers had a running back, and then you take
Speaker 1: a running back and then you're taking a fullback. Like
Speaker 1: there are just things that and look, you know, I
Speaker 1: could sound silly in a couple of years when we
Speaker 1: look back and go, yeah, weren't you the one I
Speaker 1: didn't like Jordan Love he may be great. He may be,
Speaker 1: but by the time he's great, he's going to be
Speaker 1: ready to sign a contract that's going to pay him
Speaker 1: forty million dollars a year. He's not helping you win
Speaker 1: in the next two years or three years unless you go, well,
Speaker 1: Rogers is injury prone. Okay, that's it. Carson Wentz is
Speaker 1: you know, injury prone. But all I would do is
Speaker 1: get a high end backup instead of using that draft
Speaker 1: pick on a quarterback that I don't think is going
Speaker 1: to help me in the next couple of years. If
Speaker 1: you can get Andy Dalton to be the backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: to me, that makes more sense than it does using
Speaker 1: a first round draft pick where you trade up on
Speaker 1: a quarterback who will not help you in the next
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Speaker 1: every day at YouTube dot com slash The Dan Patrick Show. McLevin,
Speaker 1: would you explain that to me that you're drafting a
Speaker 1: quarterback because is that what the Packers did? They drafted
Speaker 1: Jordan Love because they're worried that Aaron Rodgers is going
Speaker 1: to get the coronavirus. Well, there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: have been talking about this is say your quarterback does
Speaker 1: get the coronavirus, even if he has light symptoms, he'll
Speaker 1: have it for two to five weeks and then he'll
Speaker 1: have to do two more weeks. You could lose a
Speaker 1: quarterback for seven weeks in the prime of the season
Speaker 1: and then but I think that you'll probably lose the
Speaker 1: whole locker room too. So that's that was a custom
Speaker 1: was happening over the weekend on Twitter with like a
Speaker 1: lot of real NFL writers. That seems silly. Why is that? Well, okay,
Speaker 1: so is Jalen Hurts immune to this? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: But you want to make sure you have a backup plan.
Speaker 1: But you're exactly right. If the backup plan is my
Speaker 1: backup and he's a rookie, and then I'm worried if
Speaker 1: he gets the coronavirus or now I'm going to put
Speaker 1: him in because my starting quest I Okay, maybe that's
Speaker 1: the case. Maybe somebody told that to Adam Schefter, but
Speaker 1: I can't. I don't understand that philosophy. Yeah, and they're
Speaker 1: in the same room for months. You know, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: all hang out together, so there's no way that Jalen
Speaker 1: Hurts wouldn't get it. You're absolutely right, Drew, and Tampa
Speaker 1: joins us Hi. Drew, what's on your mind today? How
Speaker 1: we're doing? Dan, first time call a long time listener.
Speaker 1: Six foot two h five. Um, well my foot of
Speaker 1: eagles on the clock? Fifty three love the draft? Um,
Speaker 1: nice breakaway from what's going on in the real world. Um,
Speaker 1: that's fifty three. You know I got my uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I got holes over the field. Oh line, little bit up,
Speaker 1: maybe some corner help, you know. Jayla Hurts was very
Speaker 1: surprising to me just even wentz the four year deal.
Speaker 1: I was just super surprised at fifty three. We would
Speaker 1: take a backup, QB. I mean maybe we have some plans.
Speaker 1: I could take some Hill type deal. I just want
Speaker 1: to know your opinion on that pick and did you
Speaker 1: like it or not? I like Jalen Hurts. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was surprised that he went to Philadelphia. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if this pick is more about Carson Wentz
Speaker 1: and his playing style. He played all sixteen games. He
Speaker 1: got concussed in the postseason, but maybe his style has
Speaker 1: been modified and he won't take these risks. That's always
Speaker 1: been my knock on him that I you know, you're
Speaker 1: not at North Dakota State. You can't take these chances.
Speaker 1: And I like Jalen Hurts, but do they have other needs? Yes,
Speaker 1: I was surprised the Eagles went there. Yes, the club.
Speaker 1: There was another theory that they picked him to push
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, to sort of try and make him better
Speaker 1: and make it give him some motivation. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: I want him to be pushed with a guy who
Speaker 1: has a different style. I don't want Carson Wentz to go, Oh,
Speaker 1: you think Jalen's good at doing that? Watch me? No, No,
Speaker 1: that I don't. I don't want Carson Wentz doing what
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts did in college. That's part of the problem.
Speaker 1: That's how we got here in the first place. Don't
Speaker 1: like that. I got a stat of the day. Here.
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes in his last two seasons at Texas Tech
Speaker 1: through twenty five interceptions, fourth most in the FBS over
Speaker 1: those two seasons. He goes, no, I'm not done yet,
Speaker 1: that's not prematernity. Yes, he goes to Kansas City sits
Speaker 1: one year behind Alex Smith, who has the eighth lowest
Speaker 1: interception rate of all time, and Mahomes turns into an MVP. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not done yet. Jordan Love seventeen interceptions last season,
Speaker 1: most in the FBS. Now he'll sit behind Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 1: who has the lowest interception ratio of all time. A
Speaker 1: little theme there, hit the music, stead of the day,
Speaker 1: stat of the day, dot best out of the day,
Speaker 1: stat of the day. Here comes that one stat of
Speaker 1: the day. So maybe you sit behind somebody and you're
Speaker 1: going to buy proxy get better. Jamis Winston with Drew Brees,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love with Aaron Rodgers. We saw that with Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes and Alex Smith. Maybe maybe there's a theme there,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't see that being a smart
Speaker 1: pick for the Packers for the reasons I told you
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Speaker 1: When the rumor was out there that Jameis Winston's signing
Speaker 1: with the Saints, a lot of people had the same joke. Well,
Speaker 1: Jamis has used to throwing the ball to Saints players,
Speaker 1: so it was too easy. But mean spirit Yeah, everyone
Speaker 1: had it mean spirited. He got a lot of talent,
Speaker 1: but it comes down to decision making. For me with
Speaker 1: Jamis Winston, I think he thinks he's better than what
Speaker 1: he is. I'll take less talent for somebody to be smarter.
Speaker 1: Because if you have all of those interceptions and you
Speaker 1: took away half of those interceptions with the Buccaneers, they're
Speaker 1: a playoff team and that's where you bring in Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: Now that's where Jameis Winston could learn from Tom Brady.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want to pay him anywhere near
Speaker 1: that money that he wants. I don't know what he's
Speaker 1: going to get from the Saints, but you know that
Speaker 1: that's a smart I think it's a smart business decision
Speaker 1: to bring him in. He knows the division, and he
Speaker 1: can give you your scouting report. They're scouting report on you,
Speaker 1: and he's played against these other teams. Not that Drew
Speaker 1: needs that, but certainly getting the Tampa Bay aspect of this,
Speaker 1: and you got a legitimate backup quarterback and you still
Speaker 1: have Taysom Hill. Yeah. Pot maybe it'll help your defense
Speaker 1: and practice. They'll get their confidence because they'll pick them
Speaker 1: off somebody once again a motivational to a mean spirited,
Speaker 1: mean spirit. Yeah, no offense, all right, McLevin, you gotta
Speaker 1: pull question for me. Yeah. I put up what was
Speaker 1: the biggest surprise of the draft weekend? And a runaway
Speaker 1: winner was the Packers taking qut and no wide receivers.
Speaker 1: The second place was that there were no major technical glitches. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought that they did a really good job with it.
Speaker 1: They kept it simple, which is that's what you want
Speaker 1: to do. You want to keep it simple. You don't
Speaker 1: want to do Usually what happens you try to do
Speaker 1: so much and there's always that risk and reward if
Speaker 1: you just go, look, it's gonna be simple. Here's the camera.
Speaker 1: We'll do some interviews here. You know, you had some
Speaker 1: virtual hugs as well. I always worried that every time
Speaker 1: Tom Rinaldi came on, somebody was going to die, Like,
Speaker 1: I just go, there's Tom Rinaldi. Somebody died. I didn't
Speaker 1: like the draft profile, and then they always had something
Speaker 1: tragic at the bottom, like I felt bad for the
Speaker 1: guy that nothing happened to him. So he's just a
Speaker 1: regular guy, like like nothing, Like somebody didn't steal your
Speaker 1: bike when you were seven. So you have both parents
Speaker 1: and their health is intact. What is wrong with you? Yeah? Right.
Speaker 1: They even got Maria Taylor in on it, like every
Speaker 1: time they went to her, you knew a sibling was
Speaker 1: in trouble. Yeah. Yeah, boy, let's go to tom Rinaldi. No, no,
Speaker 1: somebody's dying. The tragic Hedge Clipper accident in nineteen eight
Speaker 1: ninety five. Yes, yeah, they had like a forty three
Speaker 1: inch broad jump on one line. The next line was
Speaker 1: like an uncle who was addicted to something. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: made no sense. It was like a stack. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't need to know that much about my draft picks.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of criticism on
Speaker 1: the graphic for te Higgins's about his mom battling alcoholism,
Speaker 1: that that might have been a little too much to
Speaker 1: to make that one of the points on a graphic.
Speaker 1: It might have been, No, it was might have been. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was too much information, like He've always been around
Speaker 1: people and then they start to tell you stories and
Speaker 1: you it's way too much information. It felt like, hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna tell you everything about this draft pick, and
Speaker 1: I went, now, not too much information. I don't need
Speaker 1: to know that. We can get to that point. But
Speaker 1: it felt like everybody had a bad bottom line there. Yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: do you overcompensate next year? You know Ted Smith and
Speaker 1: Nebraska runs a four three forty. Dad pays taxes early, No,
Speaker 1: really positive normal bland stuff. No, No, it would be dad.
Speaker 1: Dad didn't pay taxes on the lamb from the irs. Okay,
Speaker 1: are there going to be white collar crimes that we're
Speaker 1: gonna put in here? Cuts tags off mattresses? Oh, I remember,
Speaker 1: you could go to jail for that or get arrested.
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