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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for it was Agatha All Along

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Speaker 2: season one episodes one to two, also WandaVision spoilers. So

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Speaker 2: I get caught up.

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Speaker 1: My David, Jason.

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Speaker 2: Catpsio, and I'm Rosie Knight.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to x.

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Speaker 2: Ray Vision, the podcast where we dive deep to your

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Speaker 2: favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture comedy from my heart.

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Speaker 2: Podcast will re you episodes every week Tuesday and Thursday.

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Speaker 1: In today's episode, it's a witchy one. We're getting ready

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Speaker 1: for spooky season. In the previously on, we're going to

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Speaker 1: remind you where we left off with one division and

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Speaker 1: what you need to know before going into Agatha All Along.

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Speaker 1: Necessary info, necessary witchy info. And in the airlock we're

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Speaker 1: diving deep into those first two episodes of Agatha All

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Speaker 1: Along and guys, spoiler alert. It's great, that's right, But

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Speaker 1: first let's catch.

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Speaker 2: You up on Wander stuff. Yes, okay, Rosie, where did

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Speaker 2: we leave off with WandaVision Wander's other appearances so that

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Speaker 2: we can have the stage appropriately set to dive into

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Speaker 2: this season of Agatha.

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Speaker 1: So if you recall in the finale of Wonder Vision,

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Speaker 1: there's a large battle and it ends with Wonder stripping

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Speaker 1: Agatha of her powers and wiping her memories before hexting

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Speaker 1: her to stay trapped in her own mind, living in

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Speaker 1: a kind of ghost version of Westview. But notably, Wonder

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Speaker 1: did destroy the Hex and the people of Westview got

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Speaker 1: to go back to their own lives, but Agatha didn't.

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Speaker 1: Agatha was trapped living in these kind of fake TV

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Speaker 1: scenarios as Agnes, and the name that we'll get here

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Speaker 1: is Agnes O'Connor. Wonder destroyed the Hex and her home

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Speaker 1: leading to her embracing dark magic to find them. Wonder

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Speaker 1: took Agatha's copy of the Dark Hold, which was where

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Speaker 1: Agatha was getting her powers after killing her coven, and

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Speaker 1: saw Wander in the post credit sequence flipping through the

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Speaker 1: Dark Hold using astral projection kind of like we'd seen

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Speaker 1: Doctor Strange doing to find where her sons were, and

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Speaker 1: which you should watch if you haven't seen it because

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Speaker 1: it's fun by Sam Raimi, Wonder used the Dark Hold

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Speaker 1: with America Shavist to stop Wonder and most importantly to

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Speaker 1: this recap, eventually leading Wonder at Mount Wondergore to destroy

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Speaker 1: herself and every single universe's version of the Dark Hold,

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Speaker 1: including the one that gave Agatha and other witches their power,

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Speaker 1: so that leads us directly into the delightful Agatha all along.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to Westview. Oh baby, we're back. We're back.

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Speaker 2: We open in Westview and it's a little weird.

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Speaker 1: Agatha aka is an Agnes.

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Speaker 2: Aaka Agnes is a cop apparently in a kind of

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Speaker 1: An American adaptation of a Danish show Vibe.

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Speaker 2: The Wanda's television magic set up for Westview is still

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Speaker 2: There's a Jane Doe body in the woods. The only

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Speaker 1: She's getting something from this. There are blackened fingers, which

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Speaker 2: Agnes finds a brooch in a puddle near the body.

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Speaker 1: It's her famous Agatha brooch which we saw in one division.

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Speaker 2: She does not tell her other cop friends, notably a

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Speaker 2: Got the important ones back. Agnes goes to the library

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Speaker 2: to check out the slip Dottie Jones. The librarian is

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Speaker 2: really not much of it help, but we learned that

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Speaker 1: Who's you know who this body is?

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Speaker 2: Enter Aubrey Plaza FBI Agent Rio Vidal. They're going to

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Speaker 2: that's your name. Agnes kicks Vidal out, but she's clearly

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Speaker 2: troubled by the encounter. Agnes checks out the brooch at

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Speaker 2: Agnes puzzles over the book slip more over the who

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Speaker 2: We get she goes home.

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Speaker 1: because the kid is Nick Scratch. She has a lot

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Speaker 1: Fantastic four ninety eight five seven is He Coming, created

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Speaker 1: he is Agatha's son who would later go on to

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Speaker 1: And this is very in wonderful. As you will remember,

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Speaker 2: A special agent Rio shows up with a pizza and

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Speaker 2: absolutely un hinge behavior. She has the pizza behind her back,

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Speaker 1: Was what are we doing? This is weird?

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Speaker 2: But also you understand that Rio is playing along with

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Speaker 2: watching the interrogation turns into a painting the burglar. It's Billy, guys, it's.

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Speaker 2: Space in case they do some kind of switch through Billy.

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Speaker 1: on that August twenty eighth. Jack Schaeffer, she never never

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Speaker 2: He put Jack Chaeffer in charge of Marvel TV.

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Speaker 1: Please, this is like Wondervision level quality. I love you,

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Speaker 1: Jack Shaeffer, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do we believe that that is why Billy wants to

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Speaker 1: she does have a mother who's a witch in the comics,

432
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: and her mum was actually killed by a demonic magical assailant,

433
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: so it'll be interesting to see if that comes in.

434
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: And Alice is just a really interesting kind of combo

435
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 1: of science and magic and she has teamed up with

436
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: Wonder in the comics before.

437
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: Alice is working at like a kind of gothy witchy hut.

438
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: I think she's working Hot Topic. It's gotta be because

439
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 1: we see hot Topic in the background, which I love

440
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 1: because Billy is so hot topic coded. And then they

441
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 1: go inside and he kind of makes a joke about

442
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 1: it and they do a great trick to get Alice

443
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: in trouble where Agatha tells Billy to run and he

444
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 1: kind of runs out the shop and she stops him

445
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: because she's a security guard. And yeah, very very fun sequence.

446
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: I feel like they really understand the audience of this show.

447
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 1: With this series, they pitch, they pitch Alice on the road.

448
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: Alice thinks the road is a myth. Agatha promises, listen,

449
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: you walk the road with us, you will get the

450
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: answers that you want. Yeah, didn't your mom get lost

451
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: on the road, isn't that what happened?

452
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 2: Like On the drive away from the mall, Billy tries

453
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 2: to tell Agatha more about himself, but more magic stuff.

454
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: She can't hit anything. It's almost like she zones out.

455
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 1: It's very interesting.

456
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: Later, Agatha sees a wolf watching her very intently.

457
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: At the mall.

458
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: She saw a rat watching her as well. The seven

459
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 2: are gathering at the house. Billy is so stoked to

460
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: welcome the new coven he makes like a welcome signed

461
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:43,879
Speaker 2: Agatha very funnily much everybody shows up. They have Lily,

462
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: a divination, Jen potions, Alice, blood magic, but they are

463
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 2: missing the earth magic. They need one more name, the

464
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: other one on the list. There was a name which

465
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 2: Agatha could see. Billy again couldn't see it.

466
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: Was just a black Heart. Interesting, gotta be missed Heart.

467
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Can I just say as well, Black Cart is the

468
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: son of Mephisto, famous Marvel villain, So they're really playing

469
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 1: with us here about Billy because Mephisto did bring Billy

470
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: to life in the comics. Yes, I'm back on my

471
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: Mephisto agenda again, guys, I'm sorry it's back.

472
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 2: I'll say this, of the Mephisto agenda, Mephista will show

473
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: up in the movies, not in the shows. I think

474
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:24,840
Speaker 2: they will hint at Mephisto.

475
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I think that's fair, and I.

476
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: Think Mephisto will eventually show up. But Mephisto will be

477
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: a big bed in the movies.

478
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. Mephisto's huge. But

479
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: if are we covering a wonder centric show if we're

480
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: not talking about Mephisto, No, so we have to bring

481
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: out you. But like you said, actually that it's Missus

482
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: Hart who's no longer Missus Heart, She's now Missus Davis.

483
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 1: But I love that we get to see the Bridgeoe Rupp.

484
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: I was not expecting her to have a bigger role

485
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: in this show than hitting Billy with her car.

486
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: Missus Hart insists that that's my heart is just the

487
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: name that Wanda called me, and we don't talk about

488
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: wander Agatha says, well, whatever, just come to the cove party.

489
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: Befre good. She's doing gardening. You've got a green thigh.

490
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: That's right, she says. Billy away, because they're gonna do

491
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 2: the witchy stuff now and try to conjure the road

492
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 2: by singing.

493
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,160
Speaker 1: This very specific ballad. This song.

494
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: Now, the witches arranged the vocals. Who's going high, who's

495
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 2: going low? Whose vocal range goes where? While Billy is

496
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: upstairs petting the rabbit aka nick scratch, the wind is

497
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: rising and the Seven are coming. We understand this. Downstairs,

498
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: the scene is starting. Missus Hart is playing like she

499
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 2: doesn't know the song, but don't worry.

500
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: She she knows it. She gets it. I love that twist.

501
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: That's very fun.

502
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: There are several wonderful verses as the song is progressing.

503
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 2: That seven gather outside Missus Hart as the song you

504
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 2: know enters its final stanzas is now you know holy

505
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: hands with her new coven. They're all in this circle,

506
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 2: singing their hearts out. Billy is locking the doors. That's

507
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: not gonna do anything, but she's locking. He's locking the

508
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,800
Speaker 2: door so the Seven can come in. They finish, nothing happens.

509
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: The Seven are now attacking the home. Agatha, in desperation,

510
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: tries to goad the witches to attack her so she

511
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 2: can steal their power, but they know what she's doing.

512
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: They all notice that now a trap door has appeared

513
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: under their feet. Oh and they have no choice but

514
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 2: to flee into this trapdoor because the Seven are here.

515
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 2: There's there's steps going all the way down, and the

516
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: coven flee down there with Billy. Down at the bottom,

517
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 2: they find a road which they must walk barefoot. They

518
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 2: take off their feet and they begin walking the road.

519
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 3: Cut two, which outro credits WHOA. It's not easy being

520
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 3: a witch, and it's not cheap either. We need cauldrons,

521
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 3: we need ones, we need cards. So please listen to

522
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 3: a message from our sponsors.

523
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 1: And we're back.

524
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 2: That is the first two episodes of it was all

525
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 2: along Wow, which I love.

526
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: I love. I've forgotten what it feels like to watch

527
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Secret Invasion and now I'm back in. I'm all in say.

528
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I was watching it and I was like, Wow, this

529
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: is magical. The casting, the pacing, the humor, you know,

530
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: Wondervision was a very funny show, and I think we

531
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 1: forget that and it's nice to see that humor come

532
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: back here. And it really is a very funny, catty, bantery,

533
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: wicked show. I think it's going to be a perfect

534
00:30:56,080 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: Halloween show. So I'm very very excited for it does

535
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: feel like a return to form for Marvel TV. I

536
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: think you're right. Let Jack Schaefer be in charge decide

537
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Also, wasn't Aubrey Plaza just made to

538
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: play a witch? Like when she comes in in that

539
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: fight scene, I was just like, this is what you

540
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 1: were made for, baby, Like, I'm so happy that they

541
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: understand you. So I do have a theory about who

542
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: she's playing. Now, obviously I am going to say, wouldn't

543
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: it be great if she was playing you know, Mephisto.

544
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Just going to say it because I think that that

545
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really it's not going to be her.

546
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: I just need to put that there. It's not gonna

547
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: be her, But I will say the more realistic version

548
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: of what I think, especially after it's clear that she

549
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: is the missing person from her coven. They need a

550
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: green witch there is a character who's called the Emerald

551
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: war Emerald Warlock. He is another James Robinson character from

552
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: Unconny Avengers from twenty fifteen, and he is decland Dane,

553
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 1: and he is basically like a famous warlock who came

554
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: with his mother, the sorceress Karmen, and his brother and

555
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: he's all very emerald coded. He always wears green. And

556
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like pretty sure that that she will be a

557
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of take on that character, because they keep talking

558
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: about this green witch. So that's my grounded theory.

559
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who I hope she is. Who she isn't,

560
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: but who I hope she is, and would be cool

561
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 2: if she is, but she's not. She's she's not this

562
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: everyone and I knows.

563
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: I Oh my god, imagine if she was magic? That

564
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: would imagine if she was magic, I would just die.

565
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean that's like perfect casting. It's not going to

566
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: be her, but imagine if she was. Wouldn't that be

567
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Peter the.

568
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: Daughter of Peter resputant classes of the x men uh

569
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: magic user, wielder of a magical sword, ruler of her

570
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 2: own magical realm Limbo the Bess not her, but.

571
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: It's not, But wouldn't that be good. Those are our

572
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: two pie in this we wish it would happen, Mephisto

573
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: and Magic. I would love to see.

574
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: I love this show so far.

575
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: I think it's such a joy.

576
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: Listen. It contains several of my icons, of several iconic

577
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: parasocial crushes that I've had throughout my life. I'm including

578
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 2: Catherine Hahn and Aubrey Plaza. Pattipone love legend, legend. Go

579
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: watch her hot ones with Aubrey Plaza. It's absolutely hysterical,

580
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 2: just like one of the best to ever do it.

581
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: And the cast is casting. I'll say this. All the

582
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 2: Marvel Disney shows have had wonderful casts, so it's never

583
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: been about the cast. Secret Invasion had a fucking awesome cast.

584
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you do with that cost? But

585
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: what do you do with that cast?

586
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 2: And listen, there were wider We should at some point

587
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 2: talk about the recent New York Times expose about Bob

588
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: Chapex run as Disney CEO. We've got to opens a

589
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 2: significant window into the key years under Chapek that included

590
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: the production of many of the Disney plus Marvel shows

591
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 2: that have come off not so well. And I think

592
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 2: that chaos clearly figured into a lot of that to

593
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: get into that later. This show thus far appears to

594
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 2: have none of those problems. Yeah, crackling through the first

595
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: two episodes, all the wit and quality and detail and

596
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: you know, spooky cool vibes of WandaVision art. Yeah, I

597
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: wasn't here in Agatha, and I can't wait to continue

598
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 2: watching the show.

599
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: It's fun. I'm very excited for it, and I will

600
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 1: say the lost if you wanna. The last comic book

601
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: thing we should quickly mention is Salem Seven. This was

602
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: something I wrote about a lot when I was covering

603
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: WandaVision because I was I found out about them, and

604
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: I was like obsessed with them because that's super weird.

605
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: Fantastic four one to eighty six from nineteen seventy seven, Lamune,

606
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 1: George Perez Legends and they are basically like the mutated

607
00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 1: children of Nick Scratch, and it's super weird and super creepy.

608
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 1: And I'm very interested to know how we will see

609
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: the Nick Scratch connection because he was also their leader

610
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: at one point, so I'm very interested to see how

611
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: that could come in. Also, just want to shout out

612
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 1: how terrifying the Salem seven were in the way they

613
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: were represented in one divisions in the comics. They're very

614
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: over the top, very outrageous, very seventies color schemes, crazy costumes.

615
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: I love this more James One Insidious inspired.

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00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, with the quick horror, quick, quick, ratchety movements that

617
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: are show when they're rearranging, it's like I very spooky,

618
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: very I.

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Speaker 1: Really hope that this show gets its due as just

620
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: a great Halloween show. And also I will say never

621
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: you know not, don't have to hand it to them,

622
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: but hand it to me here. Disney has a history

623
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: of fantastic spooky season projects that become cult classics. Hocus Pocus,

624
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: The nightm Before Christmas obviously, which I know it sounds

625
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: crazy but was not a massive hit when it came out.

626
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: Also one of the scariest movies ever made, Return to Oz,

627
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 1: the widst sequel they made with for Us a Bulk.

628
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: So I kind of feel like this just perfectly fits in. Yes,

629
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 1: Star of the Craft, my legend, my queen playing Dorothy

630
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: in a mental institute, who's about to get one of them?

631
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 2: Crazy crazy, truly one of the craziest shows and ever

632
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 2: movies ever.

633
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: They are gonna literally give her electric shock treatment, but

634
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: she is saved by a talking chicken who takes her

635
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: back to Oz where everybody has been turned to stone.

636
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 1: Terrifying and finally streaming on Disney Plus, thank you. But

637
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: I just think this fits perfectly into that tradition. I

638
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: think it could be one of those shows that you

639
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: rewatch at spooky season, which I love to have a

640
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: spooky season rewatch. So yeah, I am so delightfully surprised

641
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: by these first two episodes, and I'm very excited I'll

642
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Speaker 1: go further.

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00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 2: I hope, like you that it gets its due, but

644
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: I also hope that it flies under the radar a

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Speaker 2: little bit. I think part of the problem in the discourse,

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Speaker 2: shit on things exactly the most toxic fucking way. Ever,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of room for them to operate, and

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Speaker 2: so I hope that like that kind of flies under

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Speaker 2: the radar.

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Speaker 1: Alte I episode two. I hope we're in a space

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Speaker 1: where you can find the people who love it and

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Speaker 1: they can enjoy it just.

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Speaker 2: The people who love it, because right now I'm loving it.

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Speaker 1: I'm loving it. Also, I will say, look, I had

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Speaker 1: a lot of things to love about The Acolyte, but

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Speaker 1: if you're worried this suffers from similar Acolyte problems with

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Speaker 1: pacing or the way that an episode doesn't it does

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Speaker 1: not appear to you right now from the first two

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Speaker 1: episodes we have seen, but it does have a lot

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Speaker 1: of the great things that made The Acolyte so beloved

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Speaker 1: in its fandoms of complex relationships with heroes and villains,

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Speaker 1: et cetera, that is there in this really exciting, new

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Speaker 1: and really funny way. So yeah, very excited for this

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Speaker 1: one and to keep covering it with you, Jason, because

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Speaker 1: it is delivering so far.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next this week, we're going to continue our

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Speaker 2: coverage of Rings of Power Brings of Power two six.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: X ray Vision is.

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Speaker 2: Hosted by Jason Kencepsion and Rosie Knight and is a

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Speaker 2: production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive producers are Joelle Smith

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Speaker 2: and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer is a Boo zafar Our.

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Speaker 2: Producers are Carmen Laurent and Mea Taylor. Our theme song

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Speaker 2: is by Brian Basquez.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord. Kenny Goodman

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Speaker 1: and Heidi are discolled. Moderator Hm