Speaker 1: You're tuned into The Gangster Chronicles. Well, James McDonald, Reggie
Speaker 1: Reck Jr. And Allen Tomanso on the Digital Soapbox Network
Speaker 1: material witness on an aggregated battery, I was a hang
Speaker 1: gun and um they believe this might be in retaliation
Speaker 1: to her testimony. Welcome to another episode of The Gangster Chronicles.
Speaker 1: My name is Alex Alonso from Street TV Street Gangs
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Speaker 1: former and current gang members and other related people. And
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Speaker 1: Man I'm telling you it's a it's a good quality
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Speaker 1: we actually talked about that shirt in detail. I believe
Speaker 1: that was episode four or five. And I'll also put
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Speaker 1: is episode number sixteen. And if you're new to the podcast,
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Speaker 1: and radio dot Com. All right, um, usually I do
Speaker 1: a fact check from the previous episode. Last week we
Speaker 1: had Lad from lad TV on the show, so we
Speaker 1: don't really have too much of a fact check. I
Speaker 1: didn't really go over the things that were stated in
Speaker 1: the interview. But let's, uh, let's briefly talk about that
Speaker 1: show from last week. Guys, what do you want to
Speaker 1: talk about? How? I mean, how bad you treated our guests?
Speaker 1: Come on, now, I thought I treated his lad Um.
Speaker 1: I mean I think I could have went in harder.
Speaker 1: You could have you did not think? I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: he did it with a smile. I mean with the
Speaker 1: questions that black acts. He also said it itself and
Speaker 1: that he there's only two things. Don't ask me. You
Speaker 1: asked me anything else? And and we we stuck by that.
Speaker 1: But I knew when you was ready to go in.
Speaker 1: I knew it, and and you went in. You asked
Speaker 1: some tough questions. You asked some questions. And I've been
Speaker 1: thinking about the subject that you that offended you so much.
Speaker 1: And I know what it is is the the payment
Speaker 1: are the payment for an interview, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people taking payments now big you know ABC paying people
Speaker 1: to uh tough, big interviews on their show. Um, you
Speaker 1: know R Kelly, you know. I don't know if he
Speaker 1: got paid by Gail, But situations like that show the
Speaker 1: platforms like that are paying people the uh what you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to I don't care if ABC is doing
Speaker 1: it or YouTube channels doing it. But you haven't heard
Speaker 1: of people getting paid for interview have I've heard? I
Speaker 1: heard the rumor that Dr Phil paid two racks to
Speaker 1: Octo Mom to do an interview. Remember Octo Mom a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Actually those kids are doing quite well. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but if you asked off to Phil if he
Speaker 1: paid Octo Mom the money, He's gonna say absolutely not,
Speaker 1: because he understands that that violates one of the rules
Speaker 1: of journalism. You are not supposed to pay your interview subjects.
Speaker 1: Some people would, They would negotiations on some of the
Speaker 1: big platforms for getting paid. Maybe the game is changing,
Speaker 1: but you know a lot of people still stick to
Speaker 1: those journalistic principles. And here here's the problem with paying somebody.
Speaker 1: Once you pay one person and that gets out, then
Speaker 1: you gotta start paying every single guest on the show,
Speaker 1: and you don't want that cat to get out the bag. Secondly,
Speaker 1: when we have people come to the mic do interviews
Speaker 1: and start telling ridiculous stories already without even being paid.
Speaker 1: Once you put money in someone's pocket, now your story
Speaker 1: is tainted. Your story is now partially influenced by the money.
Speaker 1: That I gave you as opposed to you just came
Speaker 1: to do a sincere interview. People just gonna start line,
Speaker 1: I got a story and just to get paid, exactly.
Speaker 1: And we already have that problem with people lying without
Speaker 1: getting so I think if he needs a perfect example,
Speaker 1: you know, do you trust everything this guy is saying
Speaker 1: in the interview? Do you think that he's being influenced
Speaker 1: by whatever? You know? I think, uh, I think people
Speaker 1: like to glorify themselves and make themselves seem bigger than
Speaker 1: what they were. Well, I'm a defended dude. I don't
Speaker 1: think he lying about everything, eating certain situations, certain incidents,
Speaker 1: But I mean, you just can't lie about everything. He
Speaker 1: has the truth to what he's saying. But the important
Speaker 1: ship you can tell that he's not being one hunter
Speaker 1: with it and he holding back. So do you pay
Speaker 1: somebody like that knowing that they're gonna hold back because
Speaker 1: they can't speak on certain ship. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think that's your fault. Well, I don't think any
Speaker 1: of the person that pays you to do an interview
Speaker 1: knowing that he's gonna hold back because he can't save
Speaker 1: you too much. He ain't got to the he didn't.
Speaker 1: He had part nine right now, part nine of this episode,
Speaker 1: and he haven't even got to the questions that he
Speaker 1: wanted to get to yet. So he's warming him up.
Speaker 1: He's making him feel comfortable right now, he's starting to smile.
Speaker 1: When he first came, he was an angry black man.
Speaker 1: Now you know you have time to break up easy,
Speaker 1: he smiles. Man, I've seen what's wrong with his jaw.
Speaker 1: And they ain't got no tea. And here's the third
Speaker 1: problem with paying. When you have big platforms that could
Speaker 1: afford to pay and don't mind paying once in a while,
Speaker 1: then it prevents the smaller platforms that are just as relevant,
Speaker 1: that are just as important from getting those same interviews. Also, well,
Speaker 1: that don't mean just step you gotta step your game
Speaker 1: up because I'm never gonna pay anyone. If you ever
Speaker 1: see KPD on my platform, I did not pay him
Speaker 1: a dime. If you see it, yeah that's why. If yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I was. I've been talking to him and
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to ye he's close. I'm letting
Speaker 1: them know. Look, I'm a small guy, a small platform.
Speaker 1: I don't have it like that, he said. He told
Speaker 1: me this morning I was about the funk with you.
Speaker 1: You're not not on find uh find some interviews where
Speaker 1: you out there bootlegging my book. I didn't do it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my statement. And I did, of course,
Speaker 1: that's right. I didn't, that's right. So um yeah, that
Speaker 1: was one of my issues. Another issue I have with
Speaker 1: Ladd is I think a lot of his interviews and
Speaker 1: questions are really based off of racial stereotypes. Not every
Speaker 1: gang member is a shooter, not every gang member is
Speaker 1: a drug dealer. Um, he asked kep D. So how
Speaker 1: old were you when you started going on missions? Um? Uh?
Speaker 1: Talk about the work you put in for the hood.
Speaker 1: Well that's the way he word ship instead of how
Speaker 1: old were you when you initiated when you actually started
Speaker 1: hanging with gangs that have it? And that ship is
Speaker 1: like what's from a Polish point of view, you would
Speaker 1: be like, how long you've been gaming? Banging? Should as you?
Speaker 1: I mean, my all I was just saying is that
Speaker 1: he that's what he brings his platform on. He wanted
Speaker 1: to hear about it, and that's what his kids like.
Speaker 1: And and y'all gotta remember, y'all think you're talking to
Speaker 1: people that we socialize with no. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you all this what you're talking to an audience of sixteen,
Speaker 1: probably twenty seven year old old They got more older
Speaker 1: people really listening. And comes from a background of white folks.
Speaker 1: Like I said in his interview when we when when
Speaker 1: we interviewed him, it's not up to him to answer
Speaker 1: the questions. He can ask it and you can actually
Speaker 1: tell him to rebird reword what he's saying. It's it's
Speaker 1: your fault to answer that. He asked questions and a
Speaker 1: lot of I mean, I think we all got out
Speaker 1: right to say what we want to shay, how we
Speaker 1: share it. It's it's not I don't think it's just
Speaker 1: from man. I think it's three point three million people
Speaker 1: on there probably a hundred thousands of other people that
Speaker 1: listens to him. Stuff. Are that's that's subscribed to his
Speaker 1: channel is from the l A county or an urban area.
Speaker 1: Most of those people are from other countries. But most
Speaker 1: of those people from areas that what our culture and
Speaker 1: what we're doing. That has nothing to do with it. Okay,
Speaker 1: His question was was was the way black asked questions?
Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you who why he asked the
Speaker 1: question that way. I'm answering why he asked the question
Speaker 1: that way, and because he's preaching to his squad. But
Speaker 1: he also admitted that he knows he's a polarizing figure.
Speaker 1: He said that in the previous interview. He says, I
Speaker 1: know him polarizing, and he's embraced that, and he has
Speaker 1: no problems. That's what I mean. It's more, you want
Speaker 1: to go to a strip club of the girl was
Speaker 1: straight or got a whole set of panties on. I
Speaker 1: want to see the whole set of panties, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I like him if he noticed he brought his he
Speaker 1: came with a security guard, and I didn't like that.
Speaker 1: And he knows he's a polarizing figures because some of
Speaker 1: the things he asked. His style rub people away, that
Speaker 1: it makes him nervous going on in public without a security.
Speaker 1: I mean, he knew he was coming here, and and
Speaker 1: I think I got a good report with him, Miss
Speaker 1: Wellers read and I didn't understand why he came with
Speaker 1: what's going to be here? Yeah he doesn't know. You
Speaker 1: don't know. He ran in up to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta understand, you gotta understand what this man
Speaker 1: have been through and and and because you don't know,
Speaker 1: because you don't study it like that. But this man
Speaker 1: have been assaulted. You know, I've been beat up at
Speaker 1: a studio. You know, all of this thing happened. I
Speaker 1: don't mind that he brought his security guard, but he
Speaker 1: just lets you know he understands that he's not completely
Speaker 1: like you know, I don't feel like I will need
Speaker 1: a security guard to go places based on I've never
Speaker 1: had a security guard go to him. When I went
Speaker 1: to him, you didn't need it. You had a security
Speaker 1: guard with you, you had. I took my guard. Fourteen friends.
Speaker 1: Well it's only it's only ten friends. Oh well, we
Speaker 1: got illegal clips. If you got your legal, it's ten friends.
Speaker 1: We got illegal clip. Well, no, they're not illegal. If
Speaker 1: their grandfather then from back in the day, whatever, But
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to jail. It's a felony. If either
Speaker 1: one of them got a gun anyway, that don't matter.
Speaker 1: Not you. I'm gonna tell you. I'm a fellon now.
Speaker 1: Didn't carry and I took my ship. Yeah he can't
Speaker 1: never legal like me, but rather be well judged by
Speaker 1: twelve No anyway, but I got mixed. I do not
Speaker 1: carry any guns anymore. I am because you're not. You're
Speaker 1: not breaking the law exactly. Um, I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: I got mixed reactions from the lad interview. I had
Speaker 1: people tell me I'm glad you kept him accountable. Great interview.
Speaker 1: But then I had people say, you you sound salty,
Speaker 1: you know, So I got both extremes. The bottom line
Speaker 1: was he wasn't mad at you. He he had found
Speaker 1: respect for you and your interview tactics, and he he
Speaker 1: coming to me that. So I have no problem with
Speaker 1: anything that Alex uh asked me any questions that he
Speaker 1: asked me or hardy came at me. I sent him
Speaker 1: a text, uh kind of um apologizing to him on
Speaker 1: the behalf against the Chronicles, and he was like dumbfound it,
Speaker 1: Like what was the problem. I'm surprised that I learned
Speaker 1: that this morning. I'm surprised that, uh, you wished an
Speaker 1: apology because of the number one I sent the tax
Speaker 1: Well I didn't issie the apology. Uh. The executive producer
Speaker 1: of Grains the Chronicles is the one, did it? Okay? Well, Hey,
Speaker 1: I stand by the way I interviewed him. If I
Speaker 1: was if I ever could interview him again, it'll be
Speaker 1: harder than that. I think you know that, and I
Speaker 1: think that's the hardest interview Vlad has ever had of
Speaker 1: him period, because he's done only so few, you know.
Speaker 1: And I only think, like I said, he didn't he
Speaker 1: he didn't find it, he didn't have a problem with it.
Speaker 1: So that's all that counts. Yeah, that's all that counts,
Speaker 1: all right, Any any any other thoughts on the Lad
Speaker 1: interview before we move on, Lad, appreciate you. I noticed
Speaker 1: today is uh uh the seventeen, and you promised to
Speaker 1: have some stuff pinned on the um or mob James
Speaker 1: uh uh on his um what is it called, on
Speaker 1: his shows or his uh his interviews? Well tagging uh
Speaker 1: the gates the chronicle uh um to put some links
Speaker 1: links on it under your interview and under James interview.
Speaker 1: And they haven't been done yet. Okay. Well, if I
Speaker 1: didn't know that, I would have I would have told
Speaker 1: him that this morning. This morning, Well, I watched Lad,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of interviews are entertaining. I'm
Speaker 1: not a hater of Lad. I think the Lad has
Speaker 1: an incredible platform, and I just have some issues with
Speaker 1: a few things that he does. And I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: shy away from that, and you shouldn't, because I mean,
Speaker 1: everybody has their own opinion. You know. I text everybody
Speaker 1: the other day basically saying that we all got our
Speaker 1: own opinion. I say what I feeled, and we got
Speaker 1: to respect each other's opinion. Regardless that we walk out
Speaker 1: of here. We can speak on it or whatever. But
Speaker 1: while we doing this show, you know, some people might
Speaker 1: not like what you say. Yeah, I was. Was was
Speaker 1: laughing like and and I was ready when you stood
Speaker 1: up in and you was on your toes and you
Speaker 1: was you when you started writing your stuff down, I
Speaker 1: saw black just look down and just like, oh he
Speaker 1: writing this ship down. He I mean it was a
Speaker 1: good interview. Well, I started with a blank page. I
Speaker 1: didn't have any notes prepared for him. I watched any research,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I had a bunch of ready. You were
Speaker 1: ready for him. You came ready, like I'm gonna get this.
Speaker 1: Dude tripped up to say he paid for interviews. You
Speaker 1: had texas from other people that you didn't even bring up.
Speaker 1: I didn't bring that up because I felt those texts
Speaker 1: were private. Yeah, you know, and I didn't You were ready.
Speaker 1: I was, I was ready, but I didn't have like
Speaker 1: look the way I prepare sheet, I didn't have nothing
Speaker 1: like the black questions. Ready you did, good man? Well,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that you made it through it. Um, you
Speaker 1: voiced your opinion. Every question you asked was was could
Speaker 1: have came off anyway to other people because they boshed
Speaker 1: their opinion on different ship. You asked a tough question too, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you hate sugar or you do you have this
Speaker 1: animosity against you? You know because every interview at hearing
Speaker 1: he said he don't want to be around him, he
Speaker 1: can't get near him, you know, and this and that
Speaker 1: and let me know, jeal us, do you do you
Speaker 1: hate shigg And he explained it so and I was
Speaker 1: good with his answer. You know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 1: surprised he said he wouldn't want to do an interview
Speaker 1: with him, like over the phone interview if he had
Speaker 1: the opportunity, because he seems to love this topic. Why
Speaker 1: not interview the guy at the top. She would come
Speaker 1: off to people, and some people are afraid of ship
Speaker 1: over the phone. You're talking about doing it over the problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the only way unless you wait twenty years.
Speaker 1: He's just going, Yeah, that's true. I don't know what
Speaker 1: you can get in there. He just don't want to
Speaker 1: deal with ship just so they don't like their he
Speaker 1: you don't, you know, I got some point Sugar's gonna
Speaker 1: open up and start talking more. I think, did you
Speaker 1: say that on bomb first the other day? I wouldn't
Speaker 1: try to go speak to him for another three or
Speaker 1: four years until he gets settled, because he's still on
Speaker 1: the bullshit. But I really be in about three or
Speaker 1: four years some maturity, he's gonna get it. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little older and he's just gonna be ready
Speaker 1: to tell the truth. So you don't wait till he's sixty.
Speaker 1: That's about when the nigga probably grow up in my mind.
Speaker 1: All right, Thanks Glad, appreciate you for coming through. Um.
Speaker 1: I finally got a chance to read that Eric Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what's called not the Eric the Eric
Speaker 1: Holder grand Jury transcript, I guess, And I got a
Speaker 1: better sense of the events, the steps of what happened
Speaker 1: with the girl who they're calling witness one. She's not
Speaker 1: even identified in this transcript at all. She's Witnessed one.
Speaker 1: And after I read it, I really didn't have any
Speaker 1: problems with what she did and how she conducted himself
Speaker 1: and and um, all her actions. She actually turned herself
Speaker 1: in after the second day, after she found out. That's
Speaker 1: that's surprising coming from you, because one thing she said
Speaker 1: was that he was talking about it. He was gonna
Speaker 1: shoot Eric. He stopped in eight Now you know he
Speaker 1: finished shoot. You tell him you ain't gonna do a
Speaker 1: drive by, but he gets in the car, or walks
Speaker 1: over there and then do it and then get in
Speaker 1: the car. I mean, if you didn't want to be
Speaker 1: a part of that, you could have drove off when
Speaker 1: he started shooting. Right. Well, I'm not so sure it
Speaker 1: happened like that. I think. No, I'm going about what
Speaker 1: she said. Yeah, she she got into the car after
Speaker 1: she took a selfie. Did you know she took a
Speaker 1: selfie with Nipsey. I try to say all that you
Speaker 1: sing in the background, mocking me. You would have heard
Speaker 1: all of that. She took a selfie, she got into
Speaker 1: the car, He comes out of Master Burger, asked for
Speaker 1: two dollars. He didn't. You didn't have the money, um.
Speaker 1: After she after he interacted with nip goes to get
Speaker 1: his food from Aster Burger. Have a last good meal
Speaker 1: because I'm about to go. Then he pulls the strap
Speaker 1: out and that's the first time she sees the trap.
Speaker 1: But my point to all of that was he got
Speaker 1: into the car with two guns. Unlessen, you one of
Speaker 1: those questions. Yes, the first time she sees the gun
Speaker 1: is when he slides it's saying that's what she's saying. Yeah, unlessen,
Speaker 1: he didn't get the mother up from Master Burgers. He
Speaker 1: got into the car with a pair of pants on,
Speaker 1: a band and his neck and no shirt on. And
Speaker 1: she didn't see two guns in this person. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if he had a backpack or a bag
Speaker 1: that's that that he has. Yeah, but it could have
Speaker 1: been in the car in a backpack that he left.
Speaker 1: That's something that I don't know where the when when
Speaker 1: she picked him up. Okay, this is what she said.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. She's full of ship lying and
Speaker 1: and and a good defense pony going. So you mean
Speaker 1: to tell me you got in my car, got into
Speaker 1: the car, You picked this guy up, and he got
Speaker 1: into your car and you didn't notice he had two
Speaker 1: guns on him. Well, if they were concealed in something on, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you don't know if he had a bag. One
Speaker 1: thing he had in his hand was a red shirt
Speaker 1: and he didn't have a shirt on. He didn't have
Speaker 1: a shirt on. He had a band data around his
Speaker 1: neck that he put her on his neck. He could
Speaker 1: have just had it tucked in the back of his
Speaker 1: pants and got in the car and sat down. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm just going by what she said the first time
Speaker 1: she sees. Also, he got no shirt on, and she
Speaker 1: didn't recognize no game tattoos on him. She said she
Speaker 1: recognized tattoos, but she didn't notice that none one game tats.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think looking at Eric Holder's tattoos,
Speaker 1: I would be able to recognize which ones are ganging
Speaker 1: lest something close, because he is fully tatted. He's got
Speaker 1: tatted all the way going up his neck coming down.
Speaker 1: It's a little difficult when you're when you got that
Speaker 1: many tattoos. This, this is my whole thing right here. Here,
Speaker 1: you got a female that was there. Here, you got
Speaker 1: another person that they give immunity to to solve a case.
Speaker 1: It don't make no sense. It don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: She should be guilty, just like what's wrong with giving
Speaker 1: her immunity they gave they gave her immunity, and they
Speaker 1: also gave carry Layton cousin carry immunity. Well, I was
Speaker 1: later after he was trying to violate this probation for life.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm gonna tell you the reason why
Speaker 1: they give them immunity one is so you can feel
Speaker 1: comfortable with saying whatever you want. But also they don't
Speaker 1: want anyone to sit there and plead the fifth. Once
Speaker 1: you plead, you have a right to plead the fifth.
Speaker 1: But if you're giving immunity, there is no more pleading
Speaker 1: the fifth. You don't have to. You can't lead the
Speaker 1: fifth when you have a guilty Is she as guilty
Speaker 1: as Eric? No, she didn't. If she drove off with him,
Speaker 1: she came with him and left with him there and
Speaker 1: then got over there he they both with the loan beat.
Speaker 1: What is guilty of first degree? Wait a minute second?
Speaker 1: Agree at least after don't matter if both like. But
Speaker 1: after she did the crime, she took him. She took
Speaker 1: him to one house, then she took him to a
Speaker 1: hotel room. I think she went to the motherhouse that night.
Speaker 1: She didn't want to take him to her. You're assuming
Speaker 1: that she knows that he just shot Nip. She's in
Speaker 1: an alley without any line of sight to where Nippy
Speaker 1: Nips is at the gun fire. After she after she
Speaker 1: went to call him, before she even took him to
Speaker 1: the hotel room, she handed all over the planks. And
Speaker 1: I get what alexaid, because she's saying that she learned
Speaker 1: about it on eleven o'clock news. Correct, she learned the
Speaker 1: police were searching for her car. The next day, the
Speaker 1: driver met with the detectives. That's why she touched herself
Speaker 1: in because she knew they had her car. Uh. While
Speaker 1: being interviewed, she called the suspect and request the request
Speaker 1: made by the detectives. Fully cooperated with the She fully
Speaker 1: cooperated with the police after this day two after she
Speaker 1: knows she's there looking for she's wonted. But what I'm saying, James,
Speaker 1: when when he when when she was in the alley,
Speaker 1: she couldn't see what was going on. Yeah, she probably
Speaker 1: heard shots. But guess what he could have said they
Speaker 1: just bust because you think he got in the car
Speaker 1: all calm and collector, Oh baby, let's go drive off.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she jumped in that car and said drive off,
Speaker 1: get out of here, let's go all the way home.
Speaker 1: The nigga, worry scared, I got a question, might even
Speaker 1: got stopped at the at the cousin's house again. Hurl,
Speaker 1: because hurl, you think he never admitted to her in
Speaker 1: the car. Yeah, he never says. I just dumped on him.
Speaker 1: I just aired him out. He didn't say anything. She
Speaker 1: jumped in the car. Let's get out of here, James.
Speaker 1: If it was a sixty driving the car, just replace
Speaker 1: her one of his homeboards. Yeah, you think he'd be
Speaker 1: in jail with him right now. He probably would be,
Speaker 1: but unfairly unfairly, You don't y'all don't get it. Y'all
Speaker 1: don't get the point. They have nothing to make this
Speaker 1: case without her. You can't just make a case by
Speaker 1: video alone. And they have they need her because cousin
Speaker 1: not cousin, because Perry Perry later and the other and
Speaker 1: Carrie's a nephew or not cooperating or at least wasn't
Speaker 1: cooperating at that time, and so we don't know what
Speaker 1: they say now. But without them, they had no case.
Speaker 1: They speculation now unless he wouldn't there start talking. But
Speaker 1: if y'all listen to the interviews, I've been trying to
Speaker 1: tell y'all, watch forty eight hours and shut up, he lawyered.
Speaker 1: Then he would lawyer up pretty quickly. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we don't know, I'm sure they didn't really want anymore.
Speaker 1: I don't know that part. I don't know that part.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I see right now because you'll see
Speaker 1: the new motion that is lawyer made today, uh any
Speaker 1: requesting information to see if Nipsey was a police informant.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I heard about that. All right, let me
Speaker 1: let me read something right quick, and I want y'all discuss.
Speaker 1: This is a ten minutes long This is the soul
Speaker 1: of a lyric that he wrote, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: it kind of a kind of quick now. This is
Speaker 1: by Eric. This is his song that he wanted to
Speaker 1: know if they heard, so he purposely asked them, have
Speaker 1: you ever heard the song to Nipsy? You pussy ass
Speaker 1: wrapped niggas trying to play me. I'll hit you with
Speaker 1: the with the things. You must be crazy or you
Speaker 1: must be cycled. Catch them bullets that I throw. I'll
Speaker 1: hit you with the code keeping the rich rolling, with
Speaker 1: your brains spilled on the floor, leave a nigga's blood
Speaker 1: dripping as slipped the full clip and any nigga get
Speaker 1: to tripping, and my nigga's get to chippy. We will
Speaker 1: leave your ass missing when it's time to bus a mission.
Speaker 1: Hollow points, get to spitting, and your flesh gets too
Speaker 1: ripping paramedics calm, get you when I'm done with your
Speaker 1: on a mission. I got a happy trigger finger. So
Speaker 1: it's hard to believe that she didn't know he was
Speaker 1: getting related knows all of that already rapping and killing
Speaker 1: and carrying. Guys, you think she's on Spotify, that's that's
Speaker 1: a Spotify account. You don't think either. Let this woman
Speaker 1: listen to his is his song? His music. According to
Speaker 1: the transcript, they just barely met. They've been like a
Speaker 1: month apparently, and within the month Gene never played the
Speaker 1: song on the music for Hey, I meet someone within
Speaker 1: a month, I ain't playing on my YouTube video. He wouldn't.
Speaker 1: They wouldn't intimate. And then she said they were. She
Speaker 1: said what she said is uh they never took off No,
Speaker 1: she said they were. Damn, I got it. They did.
Speaker 1: It was the gest of it was that they had
Speaker 1: uh sex, But it was not um that they didn't
Speaker 1: take the clothes off. So that's that's not even relevant. Really,
Speaker 1: he just said that he asked that question. I'm just
Speaker 1: telling you what my whole thing is, How responsible do
Speaker 1: y'all think she is in the death of Nipsey Hustle
Speaker 1: she played she took him over there. Yeah, she did
Speaker 1: take him over there, but not with the intention. Just
Speaker 1: just gonna put your mind shed into a game banger's
Speaker 1: mind a cat that is mad and pished off and
Speaker 1: got raged. I'm sitting here with a chicken. We rolled it.
Speaker 1: I swould have got off and to kill his motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm mad at this motherfucker. Man, I ain't time for
Speaker 1: these niggers bullshit. So I'm gonna pop this motherfucker. We're
Speaker 1: gonna bounce. His conversation could have been anything, but don't shit.
Speaker 1: You can't sit in and say that this she was
Speaker 1: rolling and he just said in the card, not not
Speaker 1: saying nothing. Actually, that's exactly what's in the transcript. They
Speaker 1: said there was no conversation about Nipsey. That's she didn't
Speaker 1: she they recognized Nipsey. He didn't even acknowledge Nipsey. The
Speaker 1: first thing you're gonna do is drawback and say I
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing that she according to her. She should
Speaker 1: let me, let me just touch her. Okay what I
Speaker 1: said about the even though she hung out, um, she
Speaker 1: met Okay, she met him on February two, thousand nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'll giving him a ride as a customer, So I
Speaker 1: mean she's driving left over. That was February nineteen. You
Speaker 1: want to make and they and the incident happened with
Speaker 1: March twenty associate relationship up began, but she claimed the
Speaker 1: suspect was not intimate towards her. They had one sexual
Speaker 1: counter but never kissed. She claims to have seen him
Speaker 1: multiple times with guns, which he said he needed for protection.
Speaker 1: She also claimed to never have have seen any game
Speaker 1: tattoos are known. He was a member of the sixty
Speaker 1: Rolling Rolling Crup game and we got the meeting to suspect.
Speaker 1: She accompanied him to his cousin, Earl's apartment, where he
Speaker 1: recorded music. Yeah, the music that you said he never heard,
Speaker 1: but I don't like you said, I don't know it
Speaker 1: was that particular song and she wouldn'tness his cousin giving
Speaker 1: him a gun before they left or marsh To thirty
Speaker 1: two nineteen. The suspect wanted to hang out with the driver,
Speaker 1: but she was unable to because she had to work
Speaker 1: that day. I wish she would have met him on
Speaker 1: that Saturday, but so on the thirty one, which was
Speaker 1: at Sunday, the driver called the suspect, who wanted her
Speaker 1: to take her to take her out. He wanted her
Speaker 1: to take him to In and Out I'm Burger. When
Speaker 1: they met later that day, they changed plans because they
Speaker 1: had already eaten. They decided to go to l A.
Speaker 1: They both lived in Long Beach. When entering her car
Speaker 1: that day, the suspect wasn't wearing a shirt, but was
Speaker 1: carrying a red T shirt in his hand with they
Speaker 1: bent down tied around his neck. When they reached Lowson Avenue,
Speaker 1: the suspect directed her to pull into the Strip mall,
Speaker 1: where the Marathon clothing store is located. When turning into
Speaker 1: the mall, the driver noticed Nipsey hustle and mentioned she
Speaker 1: wanted to take a picture with him. The suspect remained quiet,
Speaker 1: giving no indication that he knew Nipsey. According to the
Speaker 1: witness thing, Nipsey recognized the suspects and asked one of
Speaker 1: of his friends, is that shitty? The suspect exit the
Speaker 1: car and walked into the Master Burgers. After leaving the
Speaker 1: Master Burgers, he approached Nipsey and his crew, shaking their
Speaker 1: hands showing that they were cool. Right, everything that's cool. Everything,
Speaker 1: it's cool. Nipsey asked the suspect, where are you being,
Speaker 1: which the suspect replied he had been staying out the way.
Speaker 1: Nipsey mentioned they're being paperwork on on the suspect, which
Speaker 1: the suspect replied, people was just hating on him. Nipsey
Speaker 1: told him, which what's nown is sounding like he's like
Speaker 1: concerned for him, not like shipping on him, like he's
Speaker 1: out there people thinking like he was. But Nipsey told
Speaker 1: him he was his bro and suggested he addressed it down.
Speaker 1: This is not coming from her. This is coming from
Speaker 1: either what's his name, either Cowboy or Perry what's his
Speaker 1: name or either carry these This coming from now because
Speaker 1: they because she's still in the car and he goes.
Speaker 1: According to the witness in the conversation, not to get heated,
Speaker 1: and there was no animosity or harsh words. The suspect
Speaker 1: also asked the group had they heard his new song,
Speaker 1: which they all replied no. The driver left left her
Speaker 1: car and approached Nipcy for a picture. According to her
Speaker 1: state her testimony, she heard the suspects had had he
Speaker 1: ever snitched? Which is kind of funny. So she nigga,
Speaker 1: have you ever snitched? You know? That conversation was going.
Speaker 1: Nipsey made it a gester like, waving him off, like nigga,
Speaker 1: get the funk on, you know. Appearing to be done
Speaker 1: with the conversation. The driver left the group, returned to
Speaker 1: her car and immediately posted a picture of her and
Speaker 1: Nipsey on her Facebook page. The suspect walked back into
Speaker 1: the Master Burgers, then to the driver car, accing r
Speaker 1: for two dollars to pay for his food. He then
Speaker 1: walked back into the Master Burgers and then before leaving,
Speaker 1: approached Nipcy and his crew, shaking everybody's hands. Okay. When
Speaker 1: they entered the driver's car, he directed her the driver
Speaker 1: around the corner. He then pulled out the gun and
Speaker 1: began loading it. Now she in the car with him
Speaker 1: and he's lowing a gun out right. Wait, wait, say
Speaker 1: that last sentence again. Uh. He then pulled out the
Speaker 1: gun and began loading it. That's not what I read
Speaker 1: in you're not reading the grandjury trans transcript, and said,
Speaker 1: does not say that it says that he pulled the
Speaker 1: gun out and he split it to load it, to
Speaker 1: put one in the chamber. That's what it says in
Speaker 1: the transfer. That's why I don't like reading. That's this summarize. No,
Speaker 1: I told you summarize. That's a huge different. Loading the gun.
Speaker 1: And he got guns. One of the guns. She's the gun.
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. Okay, he got a gun into then
Speaker 1: he got a gun. Okay. The driver told he wasn't
Speaker 1: going to do a drive by, so that you ain't
Speaker 1: gonna do drive all of my car used, yeah, like
Speaker 1: we ain't doing no drive on. So from this point
Speaker 1: the driver knew something was right. Would you agree? From
Speaker 1: this point she knew someone was about to go down. No,
Speaker 1: for her to make a statement like that, you have
Speaker 1: to know how did you're not do a drive by?
Speaker 1: But then you pull up your part. You let him
Speaker 1: get out and then let him get back, and saying
Speaker 1: you let she let him. She got no control. She
Speaker 1: took her ass off once he got all of the cars.
Speaker 1: Soon as he got out of the car, and soon
Speaker 1: she heard the shots. She could have bounced, oh no, listen,
Speaker 1: come on, Okay, we can say what should have played out,
Speaker 1: but shot, but anyway, okay. According to her testimony, she
Speaker 1: pulled into the alley A fifty eight place, which is
Speaker 1: one is on the corner of the marathon strip mall,
Speaker 1: so he could eat his food. So now they're doing
Speaker 1: all of this, and so now she's about to let
Speaker 1: the eat all right. The suspect exit the vehicle, putting
Speaker 1: on his red T shirt, saying he'll be right back.
Speaker 1: According to the with the suspect approach Nipansey from behind
Speaker 1: and said, you're you're through? Whoa? So this this one
Speaker 1: of the other guys, saying is that in the dress
Speaker 1: and begin fining with a gun in both hands. Let
Speaker 1: mean he had two guns. With the gun both fans.
Speaker 1: Nipsey was hit a total of ten times. Ten times.
Speaker 1: The driver herd two shots from her car and she
Speaker 1: said she did that. She did the two car from
Speaker 1: her car, and she waited for the suspect. She waited,
Speaker 1: she said, I waited for them. I waited for the suspect.
Speaker 1: The suspect in her car told her to drive. The
Speaker 1: driver asked the suspect what had happened? What? She replied,
Speaker 1: drive before I slap you. She asked the suspect where
Speaker 1: he wanted to go next? What she replied to his
Speaker 1: cousin Harold's apartment. I wonder llypd ever read a girl
Speaker 1: becausin her old's house. They actually had warrants on all
Speaker 1: these locations that she provided. Yeah, but I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened, but they searched a few places based on
Speaker 1: her cooperation. Got you, the driver asked the suspect. Whatever, okay?
Speaker 1: She asked the suspect where he wanted to go? What?
Speaker 1: She replied? Because? Okay. He also suggested she turned on
Speaker 1: some music. Okay, now he needed he stressing out. Now
Speaker 1: the shooting is over and they're gone. She dropped him off. Okay,
Speaker 1: so not that. She dropped him off a cousin her
Speaker 1: own apartment, and returned home to her mother's house, where
Speaker 1: she learned Nipsey Hustle had been murdered. When the guy
Speaker 1: she just took a picture with, Okay, but she took
Speaker 1: him to the mama house and they spent that night.
Speaker 1: You know we're gonna get to that. Around a PM
Speaker 1: that night, she received a phone call from the suspect
Speaker 1: asking her to pick him up from the cousin's house.
Speaker 1: She noticed he had changed clothes. He had asked could
Speaker 1: he spend the night with her at her mother's house
Speaker 1: the next morning, which is a for the first aple
Speaker 1: through the day. The suspect as could he spend the
Speaker 1: day there as she went to work, which she replied,
Speaker 1: now you gotta go. You're gonna stay here while I'm
Speaker 1: not here. He then asked her to help him get
Speaker 1: a motel room. So they did. They apparently they did.
Speaker 1: She did spend the night after after the murder over
Speaker 1: she see it happened on TV, and then she goes
Speaker 1: right away. Haven't said that? Ye? Did you say that?
Speaker 1: She dropped him more on Harold house. She left, He
Speaker 1: called her back. She noticed she changed clothes. How you
Speaker 1: noticed he changed clothes? If he ain't come back, she said,
Speaker 1: she she spent the night with James, picked him up,
Speaker 1: came and got him, picked him up, and let him
Speaker 1: spend the night at his and her MoMA house. Okay,
Speaker 1: my point keep telling you no, she's accessory to murder
Speaker 1: after the fact that all of that. But um nah,
Speaker 1: even even holders not going to be found guilty at
Speaker 1: first agree murder because he didn't go there with the intention.
Speaker 1: He left the location and they came back, got in
Speaker 1: his car and ate his food, loaded up the gun
Speaker 1: or wrecked the gun, and get out and tell the
Speaker 1: man nigger you're done. You said second degree. It's not
Speaker 1: first degree premeditated plan second gree second degree if I
Speaker 1: walk up to you and but do you think he
Speaker 1: went up there with the intention to kill Nick? He
Speaker 1: done when he went there to get his food. Nothing
Speaker 1: that came later. When he went up there to get
Speaker 1: his food, he had no thought of I'm gonna kill correct, correct,
Speaker 1: And then within what five minutes it changed. That's premeditating
Speaker 1: in the state of California. You're right, you only need
Speaker 1: like and I think it's fair. You only need like
Speaker 1: two or three minutes. You need minutes and just decide
Speaker 1: I'm about to kill this nigga. It's not a reaction.
Speaker 1: Now if he would have went there, if he would
Speaker 1: just been talking to Nipsy walking up nifty man, I'm
Speaker 1: I got a problem with what you said. What you know,
Speaker 1: even though I got my gun on, But I got
Speaker 1: a problem with what you said to me. Man ask
Speaker 1: to me and mam a snitch. And I don't like
Speaker 1: how you weighed me off, shrugged me off. Dog, What's
Speaker 1: what's up with that? You know, don't mean, don't don't
Speaker 1: be doing me like that. I ain't know no bitch
Speaker 1: as nigga used the rapper and nifty go nigga, fuck you, huh.
Speaker 1: And then I put my gun out and shooting, said
Speaker 1: a degree murder. But that's kind of like set in
Speaker 1: this car, ate some food, had his last meal. The
Speaker 1: differences he had to walk to the car to get
Speaker 1: the gun and come back as opposed to the gun
Speaker 1: being on him. All you just go on the car,
Speaker 1: get the gun and come back. He went ate his food,
Speaker 1: got some money, has some food. Tell her, you know,
Speaker 1: for her to even say that you ain't gonna do
Speaker 1: no drive by all of my car. This nigga is
Speaker 1: playing with the gun and she's like, wait, hold on,
Speaker 1: you ain't right there, and then she already knew that
Speaker 1: shooting if she All my point is, she's is the
Speaker 1: prosecution biggest witness. They need her for all of this.
Speaker 1: They stay and it's the defense attorney's gonna tear her
Speaker 1: down because of her line. Yeah, I knew that, niggles
Speaker 1: from sixty Yeah, I knew that, niggas when she still
Speaker 1: walk away scot free, and she shouldn't walk away scot
Speaker 1: free if there was another cat, if it was a
Speaker 1: gang banger in the car with Yeah, the guy that
Speaker 1: the guy in the back seat that's sleeping get charged. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: usually because they have other witnesses that's willing to testify. Yeah,
Speaker 1: unfortunately for for him that he got guys that's going
Speaker 1: by the street cold, which honestly, you know what, huh
Speaker 1: jump on the immunity day off of your immunity, get
Speaker 1: away from a murtle. Ben. Let's get into it. Well, ship,
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. You have you brow up another top.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and move on to us. Keep you
Speaker 1: d okay, you want to talk about that? What's going
Speaker 1: to well? Keith you d seems to be the hot
Speaker 1: topic right now because of the we got we got
Speaker 1: some time, we'll we'll, we'll wrap it up with this topic.
Speaker 1: Keith you d has definitely been the hot topic because
Speaker 1: all those interviews at vlasmin putting out and it's about
Speaker 1: to get hot in the next seven days. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: hasn't got to the meeting potatoes. Yeah, he hasn't got
Speaker 1: to the to the main parts that everybody he's been
Speaker 1: If you've been reading the comments and like, we don't
Speaker 1: care about this thing of being connected to the oscar?
Speaker 1: What was the name uh the big king? Uh? Who
Speaker 1: probably about that? We want to hear about the what
Speaker 1: was your thoughts? Why y'all killed too while? And what happened?
Speaker 1: But it comes to this question um that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are asking about and criticized keip Di is
Speaker 1: is the admission to Greg Kating? Is that considered snitching?
Speaker 1: And the reason why I asked this because no one
Speaker 1: ever got arrested, no one ever got charged, no one
Speaker 1: went to jail, and it had no impact on the
Speaker 1: investigation that the police had. It didn't have any positive impact.
Speaker 1: Nothing happened from Kip d spilling the beans. But is
Speaker 1: that still snitching? You know the way you hear is
Speaker 1: showing them catch like uh not gotting them to say
Speaker 1: dry snitching. I don't call the snitching because he used
Speaker 1: this card at the right time. Here you got a
Speaker 1: drug case. You can be sent away on this. And
Speaker 1: here y'all want to know life him his brother and
Speaker 1: it's a life sentence. He was looking at him, his brother,
Speaker 1: and so you're gonna give me immunity. Fucking this is
Speaker 1: what happened. I called you. He played, he played the
Speaker 1: system I think I thought he made a strategic move.
Speaker 1: He knew what he was doing, and he was playing
Speaker 1: chess when Kayden and them was playing checkers. How many
Speaker 1: people you think that won't uh take that opportunity? And
Speaker 1: then you you just gotta think everything you lose if
Speaker 1: you go to jail. You you you stand up like
Speaker 1: this and you say, I'm going to the fucking that's aat.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? He trying to say that
Speaker 1: he lying that he that that he that he trigged
Speaker 1: get grad hatings and he played grad hatings to get
Speaker 1: out of a will ask me this, That's that's what.
Speaker 1: Wasn't Cating interested in the Biggie shooting because they happened
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles. The POC shooting happened in Vegas, has
Speaker 1: no relevance in Los Angeles. But Keith, you d really
Speaker 1: I guess he knew that he did what he did.
Speaker 1: He told him what he told he did that ship
Speaker 1: and so he told was seeking information on the shooting
Speaker 1: of Biggie Christopher Wallace correct and didn't get it. He
Speaker 1: didn't get it because that ain't what he did. And
Speaker 1: if they would have found out otherwise, he would have
Speaker 1: lost that immunity agreement and he would have got charged
Speaker 1: for the murder and his his sister, and his brother
Speaker 1: and himself were being sending them to a federal penetunty
Speaker 1: right now. But once they found out that, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is the crime that you did, and they exonerated him.
Speaker 1: He was their number one suspect. I was probably their
Speaker 1: number two suspects, but he was there number one suspect
Speaker 1: in that case. And they exonerated him. And so then
Speaker 1: they move on to investigating myself and Teresa Swan and
Speaker 1: other people, and they found out the truth and to
Speaker 1: night and they found out what happened on that and
Speaker 1: so they was like, Okay, Keith, he is telling the truth.
Speaker 1: This is what we found out to be true. What
Speaker 1: did they find out to be true? They found if
Speaker 1: they find something to be true, I mean they're saying
Speaker 1: the cases close. It's not an active cage, and they
Speaker 1: both close. I mean they ain't close officially, but the
Speaker 1: ain't no cops out there beating on no doors trying
Speaker 1: to solve anything. Well, it's a cold cage. Ain't a
Speaker 1: cold case. It's a case that they know that they
Speaker 1: came from. The suspects are dead. But technically they gotta
Speaker 1: keep it open. But technically they got something that they
Speaker 1: can do to close on the officially, and I know
Speaker 1: lp D is considering doing it, and they was considering
Speaker 1: doing it because they know who the suspects are in
Speaker 1: the suspect is no longer with us, and and and
Speaker 1: and and it's a form and some type of prosecution
Speaker 1: that they can do, but they haven't decided to do
Speaker 1: that yet. But if you know they they in their minds,
Speaker 1: law enforcement is convinced enough. Biggie Small's mother is convinced
Speaker 1: enough by dropping the lawsuit that the case is SAWD
Speaker 1: and and and she's moving on in her life and
Speaker 1: the l A p D pretty much has moved on.
Speaker 1: How do you how did you saw vocation? And nobody
Speaker 1: went to jail. It's not salved Well, the number one
Speaker 1: suspect is deceased. I know he said that she was.
Speaker 1: The mama convinced apparently what they came and presented to
Speaker 1: her and showed her. She was convinced enough to drop
Speaker 1: her four million out of lawsuit against the city. Even
Speaker 1: though the shooters in both Pock and Biggie are deceased.
Speaker 1: Who the shootors who we believe to be. There are
Speaker 1: other people in the car that are accessary to murder
Speaker 1: that are still alive. Only Kifi in the park was
Speaker 1: was Wardale by himself in that car? Yeah, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: Now what, they'll have a person out there that they
Speaker 1: believe and I believe the person that that's that that
Speaker 1: um that hired you to do something that's just as
Speaker 1: guilty as the person that did it. Now if you
Speaker 1: can go out to that person, if you can prove
Speaker 1: that particular case. But they exhausted all their possibility means.
Speaker 1: And same thing with keip you D. He's saying that
Speaker 1: he got the weapon and he was hired to do
Speaker 1: that to pack as well. And I guess kep D
Speaker 1: problem is well, well not kep D because Lost Vegas
Speaker 1: not involved this. They don't have to honor this disagreement
Speaker 1: that Greg Katieans gave to kp D. Let's let's just
Speaker 1: put that in the feds. Right, Yeah, that's that's just
Speaker 1: a federal thing. Could do whatever they want, whatever the
Speaker 1: funk they want. But motherfucker's all the time, come in
Speaker 1: and come and confess and stuff. You get crazy bombs
Speaker 1: off the street, come in confessing the crimes that they
Speaker 1: had no part of it and not involved then. And
Speaker 1: so in the United States of America, UH, and most
Speaker 1: of our our law laws, you know, most of our
Speaker 1: system it's just because a person come in and confesses something,
Speaker 1: it's not good enough. You need something other than a
Speaker 1: confession to prosecute someone on the case. And a d
Speaker 1: A is not gonna prosecute anyone other Now, if she
Speaker 1: night right now had to come to Jesus and been
Speaker 1: watching all the interviews, keep e DVEs, Hey, goddamn right.
Speaker 1: That was my childhood friend. That was my football player
Speaker 1: guy that was driving the car, and and was was
Speaker 1: in there in that car. I just noticed that I
Speaker 1: just recognized you. And based on keeping statement, oh keep
Speaker 1: you being vas Vegas, p D will pick that case
Speaker 1: up in Rby. Now a good defensitory. What I'm trying
Speaker 1: to tell you about this incident with the lady will
Speaker 1: tear him up like you been twenty three years and
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden you recognize him and he
Speaker 1: looks older now, and he looked different. How did you
Speaker 1: look twenty three years ago? He showed a picture of
Speaker 1: me twenty three years ago. I was a hundred pounds lighter,
Speaker 1: you know, so people change over a twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: year period then so a good defense per tear him up.
Speaker 1: But if somehow he came and did that, or you
Speaker 1: know what, God's been working on me. God just told
Speaker 1: me that's why they have their their death bad confessions
Speaker 1: and all of that people. But God' been working on me,
Speaker 1: and man, I gotta come clean. I've been knowing all
Speaker 1: my life it was keep d I just was living
Speaker 1: by a street code. And I don't want to believe
Speaker 1: that cold no more or whatever. That's a long shot,
Speaker 1: but I agree y, Yeah, that's the only way that
Speaker 1: Keith you can never be arrested. We know what the
Speaker 1: state of Nevada is even interested in this case anymore.
Speaker 1: I think. Let me just say this. I know some
Speaker 1: people that was the interview when KIEFI did uh the
Speaker 1: Death Row Chronicles interview. They came down, got the tapes,
Speaker 1: the tapes that wasn't uh air and all of that.
Speaker 1: So they have some cops that are that are investigating.
Speaker 1: Just like and we know of this because it happened
Speaker 1: to Bill Bill Cosby. How you get a new set
Speaker 1: of law enforcement officers are a new d a that
Speaker 1: that's like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna run office on.
Speaker 1: You get some crazy Las Vegas d A that comes
Speaker 1: up and say I'm gonna, I'm gonna run on. I
Speaker 1: want to solve the two Pox Corps murder case. And
Speaker 1: this is what my platform wants to be to unseat
Speaker 1: this this d A. That's what happened to Bill. People
Speaker 1: don't know that's what happened to Bill Cosby. This guy
Speaker 1: ran on the platform that I'm going to reopen all
Speaker 1: these cases and I'm gonna get Bill Cosby njil. You
Speaker 1: get a d A or something like that going to
Speaker 1: Las Vegas and operate like that, then you know it's
Speaker 1: a possibility. But like you said, a good it did
Speaker 1: this before and the rest because a good defense attorney
Speaker 1: with tear shook night up on the stand. Yeah, now
Speaker 1: you mentioned that you were the number two suspects in
Speaker 1: the Park murder, not Pop you were the number two suspects.
Speaker 1: I was. Yeah, I was investigated behind that case and
Speaker 1: I didn't took lie detective tests and all type of
Speaker 1: stuff when that matter. Okay, so the Telegraph example, all
Speaker 1: stuff with the l A p D. You didn't go
Speaker 1: with the Task Force l APD and the task force.
Speaker 1: So you took their polygraph or did you take your
Speaker 1: own and then turn it on you took theirs? Was
Speaker 1: by the d A n riverside? Okay? And and how
Speaker 1: did you perform on that? I guess I did? Okay?
Speaker 1: Were you're nervous when they questioned you? How he always
Speaker 1: nervous because you don't know what you know? Yeah? Um?
Speaker 1: Or what you thought you knew? Did you gotta remember
Speaker 1: I was around all of that. Yeah, so I don't
Speaker 1: know what don't you know? What I owed? What you
Speaker 1: know and what you thought you knew? There was a
Speaker 1: lot of suspicion going. You know. The difference between killing
Speaker 1: them and I wasn't. I wasn't ever considered a person
Speaker 1: of being a trigger man or it was always an orchestrator.
Speaker 1: It's a difference getting the money to supply, setting it up,
Speaker 1: setting it up, talking to meeting with that is they
Speaker 1: would they would pay you, They would put you in
Speaker 1: jail for setting up some ship, but they won't put
Speaker 1: you in jail for driving the motherfuck around to kill them.
Speaker 1: Motherfucker and didn't pick him up later, if I would
Speaker 1: have came up and said, okay, all right, y'all got
Speaker 1: me Reggie damn st y'all got me what the fosse
Speaker 1: did it? I paid them? Yeah, give me a munity
Speaker 1: the agreement. Hell no, you do themmunity over that to me?
Speaker 1: I told him about they needed because I knew how
Speaker 1: they needed it. I was over that. So they tried
Speaker 1: to link you to Wardell though, um and what was
Speaker 1: what was the link between you? Never read murder? Rap? No,
Speaker 1: I need to read and watch murder. That's the whole
Speaker 1: great kating things. That's why you know I was exonerated
Speaker 1: all of that. Now, you conspiracor white boys, they don't
Speaker 1: believe that. But they don't even believe the whole Pucci
Speaker 1: and the connection with Sugar and all of that. They
Speaker 1: don't even want to believe that the conspiracors are out there,
Speaker 1: want to believe what the dirty cops. No, no, he
Speaker 1: he didn't hire warning all the Pucci or anything like that. No,
Speaker 1: that ain't true. He had David mack LPD cops. That
Speaker 1: that that that that that that, um, he hired to
Speaker 1: do this. This is a professional here, No, no random
Speaker 1: guy could have did no ship like that. Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, when you when when the ship is
Speaker 1: unfolding like this ain't going that way. And people start
Speaker 1: blaming the police. You got police with their rowing, then,
Speaker 1: I mean, don't just blame one. But they got l
Speaker 1: APD cops that they're saying that is dirty. Then they
Speaker 1: guys they got something confidence saying ain't good. I mean,
Speaker 1: can you blame them for voice in their opinion on
Speaker 1: saying that it's these gang bankers ain't got the mentality
Speaker 1: or the mindset to pull this off like that, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear people say Tupac. They were standing
Speaker 1: there on the corner waiting on Tupac post to driving
Speaker 1: hitting the curve. And then but we're talking about Biggy,
Speaker 1: Let's stay on try. No, I'm just saying, I'm using example,
Speaker 1: killed all of this ship, and I don't need no
Speaker 1: conspiracy coming the back up. Let's stay on track with
Speaker 1: who we're talking about talking about. It ain't that. But
Speaker 1: you don't jump and went to a Tupac thing when
Speaker 1: we're talking about Biggie. It's all I'm actually, let's talk
Speaker 1: about big But they were both the same thing, right,
Speaker 1: These people were talking about Biggie and Tupac and Tuopuck
Speaker 1: and Biggie both being murdered by the shame people who
Speaker 1: was talking about that. Everybody on TV in the newest
Speaker 1: where I was never a question about what they know.
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. Let's stay on track with
Speaker 1: with the biggie thing. But on the biggie thing, there
Speaker 1: was there's people out there. But okay, if we that's smart,
Speaker 1: if we that's smart, than all of that is professional
Speaker 1: and all of that. The guy that I supposedly hired
Speaker 1: or had some relationship with, which have been in federal
Speaker 1: pison for fourteen years, and and his partner and his
Speaker 1: boys and all that under the Rampart investigation is what
Speaker 1: what they try to link me to, which everybody think
Speaker 1: police officers know everybody. I worked at Compton p D,
Speaker 1: which was eight to ten miles away that were it
Speaker 1: was a two department, you know, police department, and these
Speaker 1: are cops that work the l A p D, which
Speaker 1: is ten to twelve housing man. But everybody knows each other.
Speaker 1: The people don't even realize that people went within the
Speaker 1: LPD don't even know each other. And so but because
Speaker 1: of that, I supposedly know the cops, but the cops
Speaker 1: doing the whole Rampart investigation has never mentioned my name.
Speaker 1: Or anything. But but the main question I wanted to
Speaker 1: say is they always want to try and to say
Speaker 1: this is a professional hit, and this, this, this and
Speaker 1: this and this guy David Mackins the one who did
Speaker 1: it because he has an SS and polo professional hit.
Speaker 1: Cops wanna no cops all that, but he's gonna use
Speaker 1: his own personal car to do a drive by to
Speaker 1: kill Biggie Small. Come on, your stupid white Let me
Speaker 1: ask you this. When they were questioning you, did they
Speaker 1: already believe that Wardell was the shooter or were they
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear on who the shooter could have been.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they knew. I don't know what
Speaker 1: they knew, no question the way you got questions what
Speaker 1: they all. I think was dead at the time. I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure because I don't remember the timelines. I
Speaker 1: think he was dead though, no wardal Um. If you
Speaker 1: didn't find out they didn't find Wardell is Pucci foos
Speaker 1: For those who don't know, they didn't get on the
Speaker 1: Wardale files until um during their investigation by the persons
Speaker 1: that were actually involved, came up with their name. He
Speaker 1: was still alive. I don't know. I don't know that
Speaker 1: I don't know when they investigat I don't know when
Speaker 1: Pucci died. I think because this investigation went down like
Speaker 1: two thousand seven, two tho eight, when Biggie mother filed
Speaker 1: a four hundred million I was also against the city
Speaker 1: of Remember when Pucci got killed. If every is it
Speaker 1: public that everybody? Do everybody know that you had these tests?
Speaker 1: Did they gave you the polygraphs? I have mentioned it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know lpd is you said it in
Speaker 1: his book, not about the lot detective. I don't think. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know. I was actually surprised that you was.
Speaker 1: That's what I said. I've been exonerated. I have no
Speaker 1: problem speaking on it. I've I've been offered the immunity
Speaker 1: of agreement. And we just got angry at me. You
Speaker 1: know you're in a cute but you I hate when
Speaker 1: people go from Tupac. I hate being associated. It bothers
Speaker 1: me to the core being associated to two. But that's
Speaker 1: what I say. You say. I just actually used an
Speaker 1: example that we were talking about, which was was Biggie
Speaker 1: because I hate for my name to be brought up
Speaker 1: in this Tupac ship. It bothers me to the core.
Speaker 1: Man Biggie ship. I don't care about I really don't. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure James is sorry. I'm just saying I mean
Speaker 1: he missed understood that are I didn't understand what I
Speaker 1: was trying to say. I was trying to use that
Speaker 1: as an example, but maybe I mean, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: some people get touchy. It's okay, not insensitive. Well, we
Speaker 1: got all the way to foosh spouse from keep d
Speaker 1: admissions um and this all started from addressing the issue.
Speaker 1: If is keep e D considered a snitch on Formant
Speaker 1: because of what he did with Greg Katie, what do
Speaker 1: you think do you think he was man was wrong
Speaker 1: for doing it? I really don't. It's like what we're
Speaker 1: talking about Freeway Ricky Ross he told on all the
Speaker 1: corrupt cops and his investigation, and people started labeling him
Speaker 1: a snitch. And I'm like, wow, Like how broad is
Speaker 1: this definition of snitching? Like, well, it has gotten overboard
Speaker 1: from from the beginning of time and and and people
Speaker 1: use it loosely, you know what I'm saying. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: just like we keep your d man, the dude had
Speaker 1: a chicken. And if all of these guys are dead,
Speaker 1: who am I hurting you? Know what I'm saying. Why
Speaker 1: would I speak Your nephew would never hear this confession,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And and then I saved
Speaker 1: my sister and my uncle to somebody from going to
Speaker 1: the penitentry behind my ship. And I also shaved myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: one person and we were overlooking. One person was still
Speaker 1: still alive at the time when he did get this confession,
Speaker 1: and that was the driver of the vehicle. Brown parents
Speaker 1: should hear that one to jail? If just like I
Speaker 1: said before, just because you go and just because you
Speaker 1: go and do a confession, you need more than that
Speaker 1: confession to have someone incarcerated or to be arrested. You
Speaker 1: can't even pick him up. But you don't want to
Speaker 1: mess up your case once they froze up on you.
Speaker 1: So that's why you follow up around. You try to
Speaker 1: get a case on them. Hey, do we know what
Speaker 1: Terence's reaction was when Kifiti gave that admit into Greg Kating.
Speaker 1: Nobody knows. I'm sure you know because he didn't live.
Speaker 1: He died shortly there after a few years he got
Speaker 1: killed in the marijuana Dispenserianum and comforta well, I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm i don't know if I'm gonna just call Keith
Speaker 1: a snitch because I think I think he had a plan.
Speaker 1: I think it was all strategic. I think he knew
Speaker 1: what he was doing. Um, I guess you can say
Speaker 1: he threw his nephew under the bus, but his nephew
Speaker 1: was deceased. Um, no one was gonna go to jail,
Speaker 1: No one's getting arrested, no one's getting indicted. Did he
Speaker 1: look at it as a meal chicken? And he got
Speaker 1: everyone out? He got everybody. I would have took the deal.
Speaker 1: Let me just say that, I would have took the
Speaker 1: deal it was offered to me. But but I come
Speaker 1: from a different code. I'm a law enforcement and all
Speaker 1: of that, and I'm not a street nigger. But UM,
Speaker 1: let me just say that. Um, his sister had a
Speaker 1: stroke behind us, knowing that her son was implicated like that,
Speaker 1: even though no one it will save in her life,
Speaker 1: him and his brother relationship are still not the same today.
Speaker 1: He are you talking about Orlando's mom and k e.
Speaker 1: D They still not the relationship to this to this day,
Speaker 1: like that, and so even though that they did, you know,
Speaker 1: he saved their lives or whatever, or or you know,
Speaker 1: didn't make them have to go and fight and go
Speaker 1: in the system and fight something. They still don't like
Speaker 1: the fact that they're not appreciative to the fact that
Speaker 1: he spoke. He spoke on the nephew like that implicated
Speaker 1: him and something worldwide like that. So basically the family
Speaker 1: ship feel a certain kind of we're opposed to people
Speaker 1: on the street. The streets didn't got nothing to do
Speaker 1: with it. That's your family thing. I mean, how do
Speaker 1: you label that? I mean, I get it. I mean
Speaker 1: I get it, but I'm not from that world. So
Speaker 1: that's something you shouldn't see. What I'm saying is you're
Speaker 1: my uncle and you're gonna put me out there like that,
Speaker 1: and I and I'm trying to tell people I ain't
Speaker 1: like that. So what if I was still here? What
Speaker 1: would what would be the consequence? That's a great question.
Speaker 1: What if Orlando was still alive, got popped for that
Speaker 1: drug traffic and he had to sit that withe out.
Speaker 1: That would have been a cold situation right there. So
Speaker 1: now that changes the game if it's changes the game.
Speaker 1: So you know, but your sister and your family wouldn't
Speaker 1: feel that way because you put the baby in a
Speaker 1: situation like that, and they're not saiding well with it
Speaker 1: because you shouldn't have never even said about it. Well,
Speaker 1: I think, and he was also bringing Puffy comes down
Speaker 1: with that T Brown or T. Bawn, whatever his name is, Terrence,
Speaker 1: he is bringing him down. So you know it was
Speaker 1: people that according you know, to the code that we're
Speaker 1: being um you know, so now are you trying to
Speaker 1: save yourself, saving you you you, yourself and your family,
Speaker 1: but you jeopardizing the freedom of to other people? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true because Keith, you can't predict what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: to Terrence or if they're gonna investigate Puffy, which they
Speaker 1: tried to. They try to pull that case all the
Speaker 1: way from Las Vegas to l A p to l
Speaker 1: A Jurisdiction because they said the plan was made in
Speaker 1: l show down the game switch again. If they get Puffy,
Speaker 1: do we you got immunity, but you will have to testify. Now.
Speaker 1: Now his argument would be, well, the nigger didn't do
Speaker 1: what he's supposed to do. He didn't pay me my
Speaker 1: money and he didn't do that. But so he's feeling
Speaker 1: salty now. You know, in the investigation, we learned that
Speaker 1: ye Puffy did pay the five hundred thousand dollars. How
Speaker 1: do we know well from informants and other people. Uh,
Speaker 1: von Zilk was the mediator, and you know, Puffy pretty
Speaker 1: much said that, uh I gave the money to zipf
Speaker 1: that if he did that, he implicateslf right. That's just informants,
Speaker 1: that's just people talking nobody. Guess it's not like they
Speaker 1: got Puffy on tape or Zip. You know, Zip died,
Speaker 1: but just think they would have leaned on Zip actually
Speaker 1: got into a fight with von Zip once in here
Speaker 1: in l a Hollywood boulevard. I didn't even know who
Speaker 1: he was, and everybody was telling me, hey, man, leave
Speaker 1: that dude alone. And I'm like, man, he's disrespectful, leave
Speaker 1: him alone. You don't know who that is. You since
Speaker 1: a little short time, I know you don't disrespected. You
Speaker 1: don't disrespect the ship Night. You don't disrespected? Uh von Zill,
Speaker 1: how don't respect night? Night? Actually packed out one of
Speaker 1: my one of my very close friends from where I
Speaker 1: grew up at you know, okay, so and he's putting
Speaker 1: and he put a gun and one of my boys,
Speaker 1: Um what so, No, I didn't disrespect. Uh I adn't
Speaker 1: disrespect shook I certainly didn't disrespect lad and maybe I
Speaker 1: did disrespect von Zippelotte, you know. But he was out
Speaker 1: there with his uh I don't know, Kashmir blazer and
Speaker 1: all these fancy clothes. Yeah he was, and I think
Speaker 1: we bumped into each other in the club and I
Speaker 1: was like, dude, get off me, and somebody was like,
Speaker 1: I'll leave him alone, and uh, he tried to win
Speaker 1: it go in on me. I was like, dude, and
Speaker 1: he's a little older than me. I was like a
Speaker 1: little too old to be trying to messle me. Everybody's like,
Speaker 1: y'all know what that is. No, I don't care what
Speaker 1: you is. But um, it was all good, all right,
Speaker 1: well you know what, we'll we'll wrap it up right
Speaker 1: there and uh hopefully, uh we could probably continue this
Speaker 1: conversation on what is the snitch? And with a snitch?
Speaker 1: And because this always comes up, man, But I want
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