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Speaker 1: host Brian brought us well, well, welcome to the Draft Show.

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Speaker 1: It's our annual bye week draft show. I really appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody hanging out with us across the country, across the world.

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Speaker 1: Matter of fact, we appreciate all you guys a lot.

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Speaker 1: As the Big Boys guy said, I'm Brian brought us

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Speaker 1: joined by my drafting buddy David Hellman. It's good to

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Speaker 1: be back with you, Brian. Yes, it's always good to

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Speaker 1: have you, David. I appreciate that. And I really really

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Speaker 1: pleased to add a new member to our draft show,

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Speaker 1: a guy who I have a ton of respect for,

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Speaker 1: Allegen and if you will, yeah, I used to battle

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Speaker 1: and he went out and found guys like Larry Allen

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Speaker 1: so and then we later became teammates with Dallas Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a better scout for it. And fortunately for

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Speaker 1: us and for the Draft show. Sometimes you lose scouts,

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Speaker 1: you know, Dane Bruglen, we lost him just for this show,

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Speaker 1: but we'll have him for other things. But we picked

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Speaker 1: up a scout, a great personnel man and Tom Siskowski Thomas,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Dark Side of the World here. Thank you, Brian.

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Speaker 1: It's great to be here. I'll tell you what. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy to have you, Tom, I really am. And this

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Speaker 1: man's got great insight. He's like me. He's been in

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Speaker 1: a lot of war rooms. He's won some of his

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Speaker 1: share of battles, he's lost some of his share of battles,

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Speaker 1: and he'll bring great insight to what we're trying to

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Speaker 1: have him here. We're excited to have everybody out there

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Speaker 1: that listens to us as Well's you guys make this uh,

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Speaker 1: you know what we're all about here, the investigation and

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Speaker 1: the education that's important to me. I also want to

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Speaker 1: thank you know, Katin Gates, who's executive producing taking over

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Speaker 1: for Kent Garrison. Him and William Boykins will be helping

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Speaker 1: us along these journeys. So we got a couple of

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Speaker 1: new new members of the team, but we will still

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Speaker 1: have the same quality of draft show. I promise you.

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Speaker 1: I promise you that. All right, Thomas, since I've got

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Speaker 1: you here, I want to go back and talk about

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Speaker 1: what this team did in the two thousand and nineteen

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft, and I want to get into the point

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Speaker 1: of this as the way of looking at it, the

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Speaker 1: thought without and I've been with you when we didn't

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Speaker 1: have a first round pick. I've been with you a

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Speaker 1: But I want to know the when you guys were

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Speaker 1: going into this draft, the thought of, Okay, how we're

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Speaker 1: to grade them, give the players their due, and then

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Speaker 1: fifty eight. How did you guys get to the process

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Speaker 1: of when you guys made that pick in fifty eight? Well, basically,

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Speaker 1: you want to keep the board pure because you never

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Speaker 1: first round. So you've got to value every player. It's

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Speaker 1: like a currency that there's value to each player. But

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Speaker 1: thinking about safeties too. Oh yeah, there were a lot

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Speaker 1: We got Zack Martin's got a grade right up there

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Speaker 1: I knew Tony Wise very well. And he spent the

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Speaker 1: So how do you balance the strategy of the depth

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Speaker 1: Jerry's call ultimately in the head coach, the scouts presented,

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Speaker 1: one of those scouts that always spoke up. I remember,

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Speaker 1: I remember it like, man, Tom ain't messing around here.

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Speaker 1: And I always appreciate the fact that you stepped up

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Speaker 1: and would say your piece on that. But did you

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Speaker 1: did you feel like that there were there were in

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Speaker 1: maybe with the Taco or maybe within with Tristan Hill.

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Speaker 1: Was there more of an influence from another Was it

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Speaker 1: more influence from the coaching side of it? Was it

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Speaker 1: this guy, maybe somebody else. Yes, And that that happens

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Speaker 1: maybe some people that said, well, he's going to need

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Speaker 1: But that's when you have to But I will say

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Speaker 1: can find out linebackers. You should find a block and

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Speaker 1: tied end. But this is a Bill Parcells ism that is,

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Speaker 1: Will we do this for the bye week. When we

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Speaker 1: blown coverage. I've looked at about ten guys already, David,

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Speaker 1: But but we get back in January, the week before

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. Uh, Thomas will be back. You'll be

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Speaker 1: back and we'll start getting into some of these players

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Speaker 1: looked over earlier this week or maybe it was last

471
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Speaker 1: week and the scouting guys for you watching college tape,

472
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Speaker 1: I was just like, man, take a day off, Nah,

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Speaker 1: it'll be okay. This man next to me, he will

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Speaker 1: start grinding. Well yeah, exactly so. But that's excited. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: when we get back into that, uh, that will be

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Speaker 1: in January. That's one we'll fully start with Twitter on

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Speaker 1: the twenty Those good Things tell Me More is another

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Speaker 1: good segment. I really really like a class all the classics. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about this last draft again. I'm a

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Speaker 1: full We're a full, one stop shop right here, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna run off some names here, some guys.

483
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Speaker 1: I think that as you look at the draft, some

484
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Speaker 1: great value and you're gonna look at me Dave and

485
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Speaker 1: you go, who oh yeah. I'm gonna start with Ola Bispcie,

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Speaker 1: Ola Bibsie Johnson. I was really convinced you weren't going

487
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Speaker 1: to be able to stump me. But that name is

488
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Speaker 1: not ringing any Colorado statewide receiver. The Minnesota Vikings took

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Speaker 1: him seventh round, pick two forty seven. He's got thirteen

490
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Speaker 1: catches for one hundred and thirty four yards and one touchdown,

491
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Speaker 1: so he's probably got more. He's done more in john

492
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Speaker 1: seven games than la Quan Treadwill did and exact Minnesota

493
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Speaker 1: Vikings took him. Calrod State. Now Colrod statements be putting

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Speaker 1: out some receivers, Tommy, how about this guy? We know

495
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Speaker 1: this guy, Gardner Mitsche. Oh yeah, Jacksonville took him. I

496
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Speaker 1: know that one seventy eight. His stats so far one

497
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty nine completions out of two hundred and

498
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Speaker 1: twenty six attempts. One of the stories of the NFL

499
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Speaker 1: seasons one thousand and six and ninety seven yards, ten touchdowns,

500
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Speaker 1: two interceptions, doing a great job in Jacksonville. How about

501
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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, Tommy from Auburn. You remember him? Yes? Remember him, David?

502
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Speaker 1: Don't you loved him? If I remember? I did. He's

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Speaker 1: a fifth round choice by the New York Giants, playing

504
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Speaker 1: well for them at pick one, seventy one, fourteen receptions,

505
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Speaker 1: two hundred and seventeen yards, one touchdown. And here's the

506
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Speaker 1: big one, third round picked by the Washington Redskins. Terry McLaren. Yeah,

507
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Speaker 1: scary Terry, scary Terry. Tom You've been to Ohio State

508
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Speaker 1: a bunch. How many Ohio State receivers have you scouted

509
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Speaker 1: in their day? All the way back to Joey Galloway? Right?

510
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Speaker 1: But you know what that that happened sometimes is you

511
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Speaker 1: know the there's two or three or maybe two of

512
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Speaker 1: the other guys that are getting all they the attention

513
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 1: and the lsity, and there's a guy kind of setting

514
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Speaker 1: back there and you go to you go to the

515
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Speaker 1: pro day, and they go, hey, what's wrong with this guy?

516
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Speaker 1: He can run, he can catch, and then they that's

517
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Speaker 1: good value there where they took him. Kind of remind

518
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Speaker 1: I mean, twenty four catches for four hundred nineteen yards

519
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Speaker 1: five touchdowns. That young man kind of reminds me. I

520
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Speaker 1: mean Tony Pollard, obviously it's a different position. Yeah, Darryl

521
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Speaker 1: Henderson got all the pub at Memphis. Yeah, and obviously

522
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Speaker 1: pot Tony's a pretty good player himself. Michael Thomas was

523
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Speaker 1: that way at Ohio State when he win the same

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Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't a guy that everybody was kind

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Speaker 1: of jumping up and down about right. He was pretty

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Speaker 1: hill he regarded. But I mean you got Devin Smith,

527
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Speaker 1: you got Zeke, you got Bosa. I mean he was

528
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Speaker 1: kind of lost in the belly Marshawn Lattimore. Yeah, he

529
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Speaker 1: kind of got. He fit what Sean wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: He absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, McLaren really kicked some butt at

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Speaker 1: the senior ball though. I do remember that. Yeah, he was.

532
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Speaker 1: He was a very good player. Okay, how about guys,

533
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Speaker 1: how about nothing yet? This is my nothing yet category?

534
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Speaker 1: Is Silia Farrell? Cleland? Cleland say that we went over

535
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Speaker 1: it during the break. I didn't. I didn't finetically do

536
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Speaker 1: that for me. Cleland Farrell, what did I say, ceiling?

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I said that. Tell them, Tell

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Speaker 1: everybody listening at home where you had him slotted? He

539
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Speaker 1: was number out of my top one hundred, he was

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Speaker 1: number fifty. And where was he drafted? He was shrafted

541
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Speaker 1: fourth overall. That that's I mean, I remember it being

542
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Speaker 1: stunning and fer he's not really up to much. I

543
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Speaker 1: haven't watched Clempson, right, Tommy, all those all those defensive

544
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Speaker 1: linemen at Clemson. He's got five tackles with one sack. Yeah,

545
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Speaker 1: that would be that would be a little disappointed. Right,

546
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Speaker 1: But he's played five games. That's a little less than

547
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Speaker 1: you want from a top five. How about ed Oliver

548
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Speaker 1: at Buffalo ninth overall, six games, seven tackles, one sack.

549
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Speaker 1: Buffalo has got a good defense, right, what did you guys?

550
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Speaker 1: You guys, everybody in that room was really high on

551
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Speaker 1: ed Oliver. What don't he one of those guys? Was he? Yes?

552
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Speaker 1: But it was it was made known that look that

553
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Speaker 1: this guy's not the next coming of that warn't sap No, No,

554
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. And I had little

555
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Speaker 1: I liked him. I don't want to say that I didn't,

556
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Speaker 1: but I had a little bit of concern. Was his

557
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: size potential? Yes, you know Aaron Donald is a thick yeah,

558
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Speaker 1: two eighty five ninety This guy if he doesn't take

559
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Speaker 1: care of himself, he could be down to two fifty

560
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: if he's not careful. So he had that body, and

561
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: that was a little bit of a concern. They're playing

562
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Speaker 1: outdoors in Buffalo, They've got to be concerned about that.

563
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 1: Is it Is it a thing where you can be

564
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: like too freaky, Like he's too freaky of an athlete,

565
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Speaker 1: Like you're talking about a defensive tackle who's got the

566
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Speaker 1: athleticism to like he could maybe play linebacker. Does that

567
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 1: work against him at all? Some people have talked about,

568
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: like a Pittsburgh or another three four team that they

569
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Speaker 1: pla him as an outside line flush guy, which basically

570
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: he ended up being like Freeney. Yeah, you know, short circus.

571
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't give the offensive line'm in a big surface

572
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Speaker 1: to block off the edge. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not

573
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Speaker 1: closing the book on him. I bet he's gonna be

574
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Speaker 1: He's gonna be pretty good. Seven seven tackles, one sack.

575
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Speaker 1: It's okay, Hey, we see him. Tristan Hill's having a

576
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Speaker 1: hard time getting nothing yet we've talked about him. How

577
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Speaker 1: about Rashawn Gary from Michigan. He was a twelfth overall

578
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: picked by the Packers and four tackles one sack. I'll

579
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Speaker 1: tell you this. You can see his athleticism though, like

580
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: there were I mean, he was out there on some

581
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Speaker 1: plays against the Cowboys where you can see him moving.

582
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's translating yet, but guys, scare

583
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Speaker 1: you a little bit. Tommy. The athleticism. He I'd like

584
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Speaker 1: the guy I always said, I said to myself, if

585
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Speaker 1: we were in a three four, I'd really like him

586
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Speaker 1: setting the edge and doing some things. Yeah. If I

587
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: recall Brian, his numbers sacks wise was not overly impressive, right, right,

588
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Speaker 1: and he had like maybe two or three. I thought

589
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Speaker 1: he was a better defensive tackle that you can say that.

590
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Speaker 1: But Danielle Hunter had two sacks. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's a good point. Well, I mean we're always hard

592
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Speaker 1: on LSU guys. Yeah, yeah, I didn't see. I didn't

593
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Speaker 1: see that one coming. Daniel Hunter did not. He did

594
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Speaker 1: not wow me in college. And yeah, clearly that was

595
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Speaker 1: a mistake. How about this, here's my last one, Chris Lynstrom,

596
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Speaker 1: they guard from Boston College. That was Atlanta took at

597
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Speaker 1: fourteen overall. He's played one game for them this year. Yanks.

598
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Speaker 1: Oh that they took two. They took two alignment in

599
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Speaker 1: the first round, did they not? How's the tackle doing?

600
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Speaker 1: Did you look that up now? I don't think he's

601
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Speaker 1: doing very well either, Tommy, Tommy D with his good

602
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Speaker 1: hairs and a little trouble up there. I think when

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Speaker 1: when he was selected, there was there was there was

604
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Speaker 1: a bit of wows and eyes got big and we certainly,

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Speaker 1: oh are not having that high without Okay, yeah, I

606
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Speaker 1: don't think I had him that he was in that

607
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Speaker 1: sixty range as far as my top one off the

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Speaker 1: top of your head, or there any other stunners for

609
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Speaker 1: y'all this year where you like everybody just kind of

610
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: looked at each other. I don't recall anyone necessarily. Let

611
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Speaker 1: me think here, Chris Lynstrom was one for me when

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Speaker 1: when Tommy took him at fourteen. I'm tom about Thomas

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Speaker 1: de Mitrof. Yeah, everybody calls him Thomas except I call

614
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Speaker 1: him Tommy D. Yeah. I guess I haven't answers to it.

615
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: So he slept on my couch for a month one time.

616
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a little trouble there. That's not that

617
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Speaker 1: roster's not as good as I thought it was gonna be.

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Speaker 1: I thought Atlanta was a playoff contender. How about happy

619
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Speaker 1: to have Okay, happy to have Josh Allen the Kentucky

620
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Speaker 1: outside linebacker defensive Then Jacksonville took him at seventh overall.

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Speaker 1: He's got fourteen tackles in five sacks. It's a classic

622
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Speaker 1: case of, like, you know, maybe having a crappy seasons

623
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Speaker 1: not the end of the world if you have a

624
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Speaker 1: good roster, because the Jags, the Jags are too good

625
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Speaker 1: to have been in position and draft him just in

626
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Speaker 1: terms of the talent on their roster. But seventh overall

627
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Speaker 1: a kid from remember how he's a good looking kid.

628
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Speaker 1: Though good looking kid, long range kind of gets after you.

629
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Speaker 1: Five sacks already five sacks. Yeah, it's seventh overall. How

630
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: about this Brian Burns. That's a guy the understood didn't like.

631
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Speaker 1: I hated Brian did not like him. I sports hated

632
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Speaker 1: Brian Burns. I don't know the man, but Florida State

633
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Speaker 1: is Brian Burns. He looked like he looked like a

634
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Speaker 1: room stick to me. How thin he was. I didn't

635
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Speaker 1: think he could I don't think he could hold up. Yeah,

636
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: way to go, Brian. He gets picked sixteenth overall. I

637
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 1: thought he was a better version of Manny Lawson. Oh

638
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: did you remember that? Yeah, but they both were narrow

639
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 1: hip guys. Yeah, but if you if the scheme does

640
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: not allow you to have take on the offensive lineman

641
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 1: all the all the time and just use your speed

642
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: in space. Yeah, he had a chance. Yeah. Well he

643
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: got four and a half sacks already, letting tackles Carolina.

644
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: Carolina does a good job finding defensive players. Are you

645
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: sure do man I need scout at Carolina? Maybe how

646
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: about this one? At one twenty four, the Oakland Raiders

647
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: take Josh Jacobs, nice player, one hundred and nine carries

648
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: for five hundred and fifty four yards, four touchdown. You're

649
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 1: doing your scout thing. He was the twenty fourth pick

650
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: in the first round one twenty four. Makes it sound

651
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: like he was the one tall pick. Tommy knew what

652
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: I was talking about. Sitting here, scouts, I've been we

653
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: were seven years right. Here's the thing is, not everybody

654
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: listening is fluent in scout, you know, right, help you

655
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: know there's some people that are listening right now that

656
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: are fluent in scouting. There are, but we're trying to

657
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: appeal to all demos here. We are so thank you

658
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: for listening. Thanks right, pick twenty four, Pick twenty four,

659
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: the first round, first back off you have to work

660
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: with Tommy. Get ready, get ready. This is gonna be

661
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: a whole year for you. Get first back off the board,

662
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: if I remember, right, absolutely, And he's having himself a

663
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 1: nice little time. Hundred and nine carries for five hundred

664
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: and fifty four yards, four touchdowns. Remember I saw somebody

665
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: talking about this on Twitter today, like everybody was all

666
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: concerned about like, oh, he he didn't play that much

667
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: at Alabama. Yeah, I guess what that means. He's fresh, Yeah,

668
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: the really good Yeah, I'm players. Okay, remember all those

669
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: tight ends Tommy that we had to I just had

670
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 1: to try to sort out with t. J. Hawkerson, Noah

671
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: Fant and IRB. Smith Junior. I'm bummed out. Isn't no

672
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: offense not doing very well? Well, let me just read

673
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 1: you the numbers. Okay, Hawkinson went eighth overall better better? Yeah,

674
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: eighteen catches for two hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns. Noah

675
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: Fan at Denver went there and that at twenty fifteen

676
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: catches for one hundred fifty nine yards one touchdown. All right?

677
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: And IRV Smith with the Minnesota in the second round

678
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 1: at the number fifty. Twelve catches, one hundred and fifty

679
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: three yards, no touchdowns. That's are all pretty even numbers

680
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: right there for all those guys. And it so you're

681
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: telling me maybe that the guy at eight is the

682
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: same as the guy at fifty. I want to say

683
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: Howkinson has had some injuries. I know he like he

684
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: can cuss himself against the Chiefs and I had to

685
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: leave that game. So still eighteen catches. I thought he

686
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: was gonna catch. Didn't you think? How did you how

687
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: did you feel about how did you have those guys?

688
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: Did you? Well? Hawkinson was a guy you could see

689
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: the blocking was that the head coach came from New England. Well,

690
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 1: we can playhim at tight end, we can play him

691
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: at fullback, we can play him at h wee can.

692
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things. So I think that

693
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: once they settle in what his role is, I think

694
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna have a nice career. Yes, he's he he

695
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: can block and he can catch. You should have had

696
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: three touchdowns. I was watching the game there. They dropped

697
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: one in the flat, would have walked into sport. He

698
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 1: dropped it. Oh, can't have that nope, but no Ah Fan.

699
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: He was another that those Iowa tight ends were pretty impressed.

700
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: That Tape was impressed to watch those two if I like,

701
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: if you could go back, obviously everybody would rather have

702
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper than pick twenty seven. But if the Cowboys

703
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: had had a pick in the first round, fant is

704
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: right up at the top of who I would have

705
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: wanted him to draft. So I hope that pans out

706
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 1: for the Broncos because he was definitely a pet cat

707
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: to the point where once he I don't remember his

708
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: numbers at the combine, but once he put up his

709
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: combine workouts, I was like, well, this is that. There's

710
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: no chance he's a freak his issues. He's basically right

711
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: now a big receiver. Yeah, he needs to get stronger, yeah,

712
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: but as far as just pure athletic, a billion speed,

713
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: if he puts it all together, I think he could

714
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: have a nice career at that twenty seventh pick. If

715
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: you had that twenty seventh pick, who would you have taken?

716
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Do you remember who you who? On that board you had?

717
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: Was that Abraham went to the Abraham Abram my second

718
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: who was available there? I'll tell you, I'll tell you Tom,

719
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: I tell you right there, yeah, because that was that

720
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: was after that was Abraham Jonathan Abram went at twenty seven.

721
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Montez Sweat went a pick before l J. Collier, who

722
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: I know y'all liked win at twenty nine. DeAndre Baker,

723
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: DeAndre Baker, the Georgia Corner Byron Murphy, Deebo Samuel my

724
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: pet cat. Yeah, that was Dave's pet cat. Is there

725
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: somebody you liked? Would you've taken? What did the staff

726
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: think about? What the staff that you guys brought, you

727
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: brought Abram in? Didn't everybody like him? They did, He's

728
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: got a little brashes into consideration. Yes, I think so.

729
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: But just uh, I can tell about your action. You're

730
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: not too happy about this, No, I just uh yeah,

731
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of the other players and trying

732
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: to tide all together. But I was usually when you

733
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: when you don't have a pick and it's your turn,

734
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: you kind of see who's on the board. I mean,

735
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 1: you couldn't have you couldn't have made a better trade

736
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,919
Speaker 1: than the one you made. No way, No, there's no way,

737
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: there's there was in twenty seven players that were better

738
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: than that that guy you took but if I'm if

739
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: if we're sitting there at a twenty seven we had

740
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: that pick and we're sitting there scratching our head. Normally

741
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: one guy's surfaces that everyone just jumps up and or

742
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: the majority in the room jump up and say, we

743
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: gotta take this guy. But no one does that with

744
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: one of the five. That's when you hope the phone

745
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: rings so that you can get out of the back

746
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: up maybe ten spots, pick up a third or a

747
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: bottom of the second, and then you're hoping one of

748
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: those five would be there with that pick. So what

749
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: happened with Travis Frederick or did you guys get stuck

750
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: on that? No? I mean, well, I don't know if

751
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 1: we were really truly targeting him. Again, Dave, what you

752
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: said earlier, the guy just was there. Yeah, but you guys,

753
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys blew the hatches and went to

754
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: the bottom of the oceans, yes, to get that to

755
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: get that thing, and we had it. That's about we

756
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: took him at thirty one, I believe. Yeah, And uh,

757
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 1: that's there were a couple of the bottom of the

758
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: first round grades and second round grades. Yeah, he was

759
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: the territory. Everybody had him in the third round grade,

760
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: but the team that drafted him. Yeah, that just shows

761
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: you right there. So that's why these are all different.

762
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: How about all these wide receivers in this draft. Here's

763
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: a name I could pronounce, Dave AJ Brown. There you go.

764
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: Tennessee took two fifty one, second round, fifty first pick.

765
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 1: Excuse me, you're getting better. I look this up. Some

766
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: of these guys are are doing all right for themselves,

767
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,919
Speaker 1: Like Hollywood Brown isn't He's not lighting the world on fire. Yeah,

768
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 1: but he's part of that Baltimore offense. A J. Brown's

769
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,959
Speaker 1: playing well. Deebo has been hurt unfortunately. I I picked

770
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: out then. Uh, Michael Hardman, the Georgia kid, Micole. I

771
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: believe Icole. It's okay, it's not your Nicole, but Nicole Hardman.

772
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: Micole Hardman, I think I saw a name written on

773
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 1: your card. I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about the big

774
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: stiff guy in Seattle, DK met Keff. Yeah, what about

775
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: the big stiff guy. He's kind of proven some people

776
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 1: wrong and twenty catches for three hundred and eighty nine

777
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: yards two touchdowns. What about him, Tommy, he was so stiff,

778
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: wasn't he? But he was stiff and wasn't a blazer.

779
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 1: But he's one of these guys that when he came

780
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: out of the route, he was so big he was

781
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: open even when he was covered. Yeah, And when you

782
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 1: see a guy like that, you want to ask yourself,

783
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: can he make the play the contested catch? Yeah, when

784
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,399
Speaker 1: the guys are hanging all over him, and who cares

785
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: how prudy it is. If he's moving the chains, that's

786
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: what you want. Yeah, so you liked you sound like

787
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,919
Speaker 1: you liked the guy. I liked him a little bit.

788
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,839
Speaker 1: He's averaging twenty yards per catch. And if that's if

789
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: that's the scouting report. If you need a guy that

790
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: can throw him open or get it to him even

791
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: when he's not wide open, Russell Wilson's your guys. Russell

792
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Wilson's that guy all right. Now, how about the last

793
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: group I saved here? The quarterbacks ranked these guys for me,

794
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray, Daniel Jones, and Dwayne Haskins. Well, I haven't

795
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 1: seen enough of Haskins to have an dependent Yeah, he's

796
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: only been in one game. He was nine of seventeen,

797
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 1: four hundred and seven yards, three interceptions. Actually, a really

798
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: terrible situation. That's really fitting timing because you know, the

799
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys played at night the other day, so I was

800
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: sitting around in my apartment with nothing else to do,

801
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 1: and the Cardinals were playing the Giants. Yeah, I'm pretty

802
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: impressed by Kyler Murray. Not that I'm surprised. I mean,

803
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: he went number one overall, but they've won three games

804
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,839
Speaker 1: in a row out there. Yeah, they're I think they're three,

805
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: three and one. Watch this I'm about to get here's

806
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: the guy. It's an old school scout sitting next to me,

807
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,479
Speaker 1: and he's gonna tell me about this guy that's five

808
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 1: nine and a half and there's no way he should

809
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 1: have gone one overall? Am I right about that? I

810
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: wasn't totally shocked, But yet the game has changed with

811
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: this zone. Great stuff, And I think that if you

812
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: and they basically cut the wrist and said we're gonna

813
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,879
Speaker 1: hire Kingsbury and we're gonna put this in and we're

814
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: gonna you have to either commit to it or not.

815
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: And they have and well, we played them in preseason.

816
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: If you're remember he stood in the pocket and we

817
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: got a couple of balls. Not but if you remember

818
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the play action passed off the zone read. I used

819
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: to call it the dash series with Eisman. Sure it

820
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: was almost like a semi roll. Well, now they're they're

821
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: gap protecting and the windows are open for him now

822
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: to see down the field to make the throw. So

823
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: he's gonna have to They're gonna have to create stuff

824
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 1: to move him around in the pocket to ulize his feet.

825
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: But his arm strength is good and his accuracy is

826
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, that's pretty bad when you watch that tape.

827
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: That was pretty wild tape, wasn't it. Hell Yeah, yeah, yeah,

828
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 1: I enjoyed watching. And now, I mean, you know, that's

829
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: just with again, with the way the game's changed, that's

830
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: just smart football. Da Dak doesn't need that from a

831
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: hype perspective, but I think they could do more of

832
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: that with Dak. Move the pocket. He's so good throwing

833
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: on the move left. I've never seen a guy throw

834
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: to the left as well as he does. They don't,

835
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: They don't design enough stuff for him to take advantage

836
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: of that. In my opinion, where the game has changed

837
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: is defenses. Now they have to account for him as

838
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 1: a runner. Right if things break down, he runs and

839
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: everyone could be covered in the secondary, and then he

840
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: takes off and runs for fifteen yards and moves the chains.

841
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: So it's a different it's a different approach if you're

842
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: playing a last year and Eli Manning or playing Kyler

843
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 1: Murray this year. Yeah, how about Daniel Jones from Duke

844
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: I'm not I applaud I applauded Dave, Dave Gettleman. You're

845
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: just I'm in trouble. Yeah, I know him. He's a

846
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: buddy of mine, Dave get him. I applaud them for

847
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: playing him, for go ahead and making this journey with

848
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones. I mean, what other choice do you have.

849
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: I wouldn't play that guy. I mean, I mean I

850
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't play Eli Manning. Why not just go ahead and

851
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: play Daniel Jones. They did the right thing, which I mean,

852
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,840
Speaker 1: and Daniel Jones might turn out to be a stud.

853
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: He's had moments. I know he's he's played well more

854
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: often than he's played poorly since they put him in.

855
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: But like, if you're in this position now, why didn't

856
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: you just draft a quarterback last year instead of trying

857
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: to do this sa Quan thing? I don't know, Man,

858
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: I like Saquon Barkley for this guy. I think sae

859
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: Quon Barkley helps this guy. He does, but like, don't

860
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: you need to start that start that clock over? I mean, now,

861
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: say Quan's already another year into his deal. G Okay,

862
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 1: with what they did with the Giants drafted in the back,

863
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: I was when I see people pass on quarterbacks, we

864
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: can't get in their heads. We don't know what they're thinking.

865
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: They might not have thought that there was a player

866
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,359
Speaker 1: where they were selecting that deserved to be taken that high. Yeah,

867
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 1: and you know Daniel Jones, if he's at maybe Ohio

868
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: State or an Oklahoma, people might be doing it on

869
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: the guy's a good athlete. Yeah, he definitely is that.

870
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: And what I liked about him, I didn't think that

871
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: he had elite arm strength, but I thought his timing

872
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: and anticipation was very very good, very good. Okay, when

873
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Speaker 1: we come back, thanks for everybody's thoughts on that. We

874
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Speaker 1: just kind of took a look back. When we come

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Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show. We're back here at the SWBC

916
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Speaker 1: Mortgage Studios. Brian brought us toom Siskowski, David Hellman. Uh

917
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: again just kind of this is our annual uh bye

918
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: week uh draft show which we kind of take a

919
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: look back, which we had the last couple of times.

920
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 1: Now I want to take a little bit of a

921
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,839
Speaker 1: look forward as we've watched these games, gentlemen. Uh, you

922
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: know through now the seven games that we've seen, we're

923
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: starting you get are you getting an idea, David, of

924
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: a position, an area something you might need to focus

925
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: on come draft time that that you're saying, well, they

926
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: need to do a little bit better here, or a

927
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: little bit better or hey they're okay, there is there

928
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: is there an area you're kind of looking at that

929
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: you kind of feel that way. Yeah. I thought about it,

930
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, knowing we were going to do this show,

931
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 1: and I came to the I don't know you could

932
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: call it concerning or puzzling conclusion that it's a lot

933
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 1: of the same needs is last year. Yeah, I think

934
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: this team could still stand to upgrade it's safety talent.

935
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: Defensive tackle is still probably an issue. Even if Tristan

936
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: Hill comes into his own like we want him to.

937
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: MALIEK Collins is in a contract year, Tyrone Crawford unfortunately

938
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: is dealing with a pretty serious injury. Christian Covington is

939
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: more of a bridge player. Antoine Woods is an under

940
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: contract right now. So that's all stuff you gotta worry about.

941
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: Tight End, Jason Witten's playing very well, but again, you know,

942
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 1: if you're thinking four or five years in the future,

943
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: how long can you count on that? And then you know,

944
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: offensive tackle, yeah, it's a little it's a little less

945
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: because Lyle Collins is under contract now and he has

946
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: looked fantastic. But you have to think about your left

947
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: tack one law. I mean in the sense that how

948
00:48:04,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: long can Tyron Smith continue to take this kind of

949
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 1: beating and still play at a high level. Absolutely, absolutely,

950
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 1: it's something you need to think about. I mean that

951
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean it's got to be your first round pick,

952
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 1: but it's probably time, if it wasn't already, to at

953
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: least sort of have that in the back of your

954
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 1: mind that you know, how long can even the toughest

955
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: guy in the world continue to accumulate injuries? As you

956
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: went through those, give me the priority of the number

957
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 1: like the probably one, two or three right now. I mean,

958
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: for me, it's safety and has been for two or

959
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 1: three years. Okay, they just haven't had a genuine bona

960
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: fide consistent More about Woods or is it more about Heath.

961
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: I think it's more about Heath, but Xavier Woods is

962
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: he's been He's been nice, But just in general, you

963
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: haven't had that playmaking talent at that position. I guess

964
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I would. I mean Heath specifically, though, yeah, Tom me Well,

965
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 1: from my perspective, I always looked at it who can

966
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: dominate a game? Who can who can affect the game?

967
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll use that. And obviously your left tackle is critical.

968
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: You got to protect your quarterback. But a position people

969
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: will play four whiteouts. You get a couple of guys hurt,

970
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 1: and they'll just sit there and just pick you apart.

971
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I would like to see us draft a bona fide corner.

972
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: That's a really good, sneaky answer, because you of those guys,

973
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,319
Speaker 1: if you're if you're covering people, the offensive lineman can

974
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: only protect so long and then it's going to break

975
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: down to Marcus Lawrence. We got other guys that and

976
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: the way Rod coaches them that they're they're gonna bring

977
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 1: the heat. But if you are letting guys run free,

978
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: I don't you know, that there are times I'll see

979
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: Brady releases the ball so quickly that you the offensive

980
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: lineman just basically just mirrors the guy for a second

981
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: and the balls out. But so I think a bona

982
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 1: fide corner that could just you know, shut a guy down,

983
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: that could play the inside and the nickel play outside

984
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: has length with what Chris Rashard wants. I don't think

985
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,239
Speaker 1: that you can ever have in today's football enough corners,

986
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 1: not just corners, but corners that can cover. Yeah, okay, Tommy,

987
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: let me ask you this though, and we have this

988
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: discussion on our show. I know, I'm talking Cowboys. We

989
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: did this morning. You guys drafted Jordan Lewis before Chris

990
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: Rashard got here. Yes, okay, what did you see in

991
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis that made you guys hit pick him in

992
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: Because if he wouldn't have had, I think his legal issues,

993
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: I think I think he would have gone higher than

994
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: the third round myself. That yes, okay, okay, what did

995
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: you see in Jordan Lewis? And then now and then

996
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:52,520
Speaker 1: walk me through why do we not see him playing more? Well,

997
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: that's obviously the coaches see it. A lot of it

998
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 1: is philosophy I know Chris is always like bigger guys.

999
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: But what I remember about Jordan, he always got his

1000
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: hands on a lot of balls. Yeah, you could, you

1001
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 1: could just you could fill his energy. Yeah, if he

1002
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: didn't get the interception, he stripped, he'll tackle. The only

1003
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 1: thing I'm missing with this guy is he's not six two. Yeah,

1004
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: he's He's got the rest of it. So if we

1005
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 1: could find a six to Jordan Lewis, we've got a

1006
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: great football. See that's what that's That's why I don't

1007
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm okay, Anthony Brown, I understand. But

1008
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: what Tommy described as the type of corner I want.

1009
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: I want somebody's out there that's competitive and tough and

1010
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: it you know, and and it means something to him.

1011
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: And say, I mean you watch him play, he get

1012
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: when he gets beat, he comes back. He's he's stronger mentally.

1013
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: He's a strong guy mentally. Absolutely. But that's interesting, though,

1014
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: you said about the cornerback spot, because I think that's

1015
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: that's true. We actually had a really interesting talk on

1016
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 1: the break today about you know, I was saying I

1017
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: would love for the front office to get these deals

1018
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 1: done with Dak and Amari so that they can franchise

1019
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:01,640
Speaker 1: Byron Jones because you don't want him going anywhere in

1020
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: the short term, because to Tom's point, you need talented

1021
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: cover corners. You need guys that can do that. At

1022
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: the same time, you don't know what the future holds

1023
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: for Byron. Somehow, Jordan and Cheetah are already closer to

1024
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: the end of their deals than the beginning. Yeah, they're

1025
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 1: about to. I mean they're halfway through their third season,

1026
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: so you can't count on them being here in long term.

1027
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's a free agent in the spring. I would

1028
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 1: like to franchise Byron and have him as a placeholder.

1029
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: And then yeah, like I wouldn't be shocked at all

1030
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys spend a premium pick on a corner

1031
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: next year, first, second, or third round. You're thinking about

1032
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 1: defensive tackle like Davis or tied in for sure? Are

1033
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: you thinking about any of those other positions? I think

1034
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 1: you never. You're still rooting for Hill to be that guy. Sure,

1035
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: but just the way we coach them and we run

1036
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: them in waves, and I think, I don't know if

1037
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 1: it's his, it would be as critical as I see

1038
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: maybe the corner position or hoping that Tyrn is Okay, right,

1039
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: you've got to protect your quarterback. There's teams out there

1040
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: that the Indiana appas Colds as an example, they kind

1041
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: of piggybacked off what we did. Sure, and they fix

1042
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,040
Speaker 1: their offensive line. Unfortunately it was about two years too late. Yeah,

1043
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: and Luck was already beat up and chose to retire.

1044
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: But I just I think that offensive line is critical,

1045
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 1: and you've got to find guys that can that can

1046
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: cover people. And I don't think you ever pass up

1047
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 1: a guy who can affect the quarterback as a pass rusher.

1048
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: Sure ever, Yeah, and I think, well that's and you know,

1049
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: somebody mentioned talking about the franchise tag. I didn't even

1050
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: think about it, but sounding I mean, you got to

1051
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: figure out something to do with Robert Quinn because he's,

1052
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, hell of a football player who's not under

1053
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: contract next year, so something to consider. I don't know

1054
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 1: that I would want to franchise a thirty something year

1055
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: old difference Robert after we finish eight games. Compare the

1056
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 1: first eight to the to the last eight. That's fair

1057
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,440
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of times you'll see guys

1058
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: you think he's gonna get war down Tommy. I don't

1059
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: know that, but I just know that. You remember how

1060
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: we used to do the quarterly report. Yeah, absolutely, See,

1061
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: a player played really good the first quarter. Ye, by

1062
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: the third and fourth quarter you realize, all right, he's

1063
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: really played the first quarter, which is the first four games. Yeah,

1064
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:23,399
Speaker 1: basically off of experience and savvy. But his arrows going down,

1065
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:27,400
Speaker 1: he's descending. Yeah, as a player, you gotta be real careful. Yeah,

1066
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: that's no, that's a really good point. And people have

1067
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,399
Speaker 1: pointed out in the past. You know when DeMarcus hit

1068
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: fifteen sacks a couple of years ago. I mean, the

1069
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: vast majority of that production came in the first seven

1070
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: eight games of the season. Still still gooda a lot

1071
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: of double teams and stuff, they both are, which to

1072
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: go back to the point, you'd love to have some

1073
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: help on the interior with that kind of command attention

1074
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: of its own. Okay, Tommy, this is gonna sound I

1075
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: mean I spoth to you guys here in the last

1076
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: five minutes. So how difficult, though will it be? If

1077
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: in fact, though that Jason Garrett, maybe he doesn't get

1078
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: extend did and then now you have to really start

1079
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: all over again. I mean you've worked through, but I

1080
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: mean he's been here for ten years. Now, how does

1081
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 1: that affect a scout and how does it affect a

1082
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: scout on the road right now, that might be thinking, okay,

1083
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: if we don't win enough games, or am I doing?

1084
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: Am I scouting this guy with the thought of okay,

1085
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 1: yeah he's going to be there? Or am I scouting

1086
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,439
Speaker 1: this guy? Well? Now we might not like this guy?

1087
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: You know, how does how do you deal with that

1088
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: on the road and how would you do with that

1089
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,160
Speaker 1: as a director like you were, well as a scout.

1090
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, the head coach, Now you you grade the

1091
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: player how you think he fits in the scheme. Now,

1092
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: if there is a coaching change and you have a

1093
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: new head coach and there's a different philosophy, we would

1094
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: always call in the coaches and they would basically clinic

1095
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: us scouts and say, this is what I'm looking for

1096
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: in a tight end to guard a center, a three technique,

1097
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: a safety, you know, number one safety, the down guy.

1098
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: He's got to be able, a great tackler. We wanting

1099
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: basically an extension of the linebackers using terms like that. Right, So,

1100
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: but you don't touch your grades now and then once

1101
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: if there is a change and a philosophy of different

1102
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:12,400
Speaker 1: philosophies in place. Then you go back after the spring

1103
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: workouts and you tweak your grades accordingly to fit the scheme. Okay,

1104
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,400
Speaker 1: so which I mean, and I've never scouted, but that

1105
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: sounds like what I would expect is like, right now,

1106
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: just go find good football players, right, and so you

1107
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,279
Speaker 1: can't worry about the coach in his situation right now,

1108
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 1: you just got to go out there and evaluate Alabama

1109
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,280
Speaker 1: football player. And then, which we always joke on this show,

1110
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,480
Speaker 1: like right around mid to late March, the narratives kind

1111
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: of start changing when the coaches get involved. Anyway, right,

1112
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: the coaches finally sit down and start looking at guys

1113
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,359
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, no, no no, no, we don't want

1114
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: this guy. We want this guy. It happens every year,

1115
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: and so maybe it's Jason Garrett and his staff, or

1116
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 1: maybe it's another one, but I'm sure it'll be the

1117
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: same way. We'll shoot, we're talking about Jordan Lewis. Maybe

1118
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: in the spring, George Lewis could be the prized pet

1119
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: cat of whoever's coaching him. See. I was always in

1120
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 1: house doing pro personnel stuff, so my my thing's never changed.

1121
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: But I always wondered to be with a college scouting

1122
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: when we when you make a coaching change, yeah, you

1123
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: know when you make that coaching change, and you know

1124
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: it is it? How different is I mean, what's the mindset?

1125
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: Mean Tommy goes on the road two hundred days a

1126
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: year and you're just thinking, okay, man, the team's not

1127
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: winning enough games. We might be switching coaches. Am I

1128
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: scouting the right guys? You know? I mean you have

1129
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: to kind of put that in the back of your

1130
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: mind and say, oh, I just got to keep finding players.

1131
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: That's all I have to do. What you have to do, Yeah,

1132
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: which you think about it. How many guys get drafted

1133
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty six? Yeah, and the full pool,

1134
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's it's more than a thousand,

1135
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: but like the realistic choices you're probably talking about like

1136
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: five hundred guys. Yeah. So you're gonna do all the

1137
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: same scouting and find all the same players, and then

1138
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: maybe your focus shifts depending on who the coaches are,

1139
00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: but it's still the same talent pool. You still got

1140
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: to go identify the guys. Yeah. But sometimes remember with

1141
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: ourselves when he came in, I mean we went from

1142
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: a four three team to a three to four team,

1143
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, but he gave his time to you know,

1144
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: he you know, Mike Zimmer had to call a four three,

1145
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: kept calling for three and then he switched it to

1146
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: a three to four and we didn't have the personnel

1147
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: to do it. And you worry about that of getting

1148
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: getting a good start for your team, you know, if

1149
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 1: you have to change over a bunch of personnel, you know,

1150
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: you want to give yourself the best chance to have success.

1151
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: And maybe that's you know, if you if you can't

1152
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: flip it fast enough that you he kind of hurt

1153
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: yourself that way. I think fortunately for the Cowboys, there's

1154
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: enough cornerstone pieces here that are kind of scheme independent, right.

1155
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm thinking offense more than anything, but defense too,

1156
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to add I hadn't thought about that a ton. Yeah,

1157
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: I wonder if you know, because to me, I think

1158
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: the more of the changes we've talked about what we said, corner, safety,

1159
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: defensive tackle, I mean, we're thinking about pieces of the defense.

1160
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: But with with the money you've committed to some of

1161
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: these guys, yeah, that's probably going to dictate what you do,

1162
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 1: right right. I don't know if it's a good idea

1163
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: to try to turn into Marcus Lawrence into a three

1164
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:13,760
Speaker 1: four linebacker or you know, something like that. So I

1165
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 1: think it'll I think it'll sort itself out. I don't

1166
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: think that's a huge concern. Yeah. I like what you

1167
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 1: guys are talking about with the needs though that. I

1168
00:59:21,200 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: like the cornerback need though too. It's a sneaky one.

1169
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: It is a very sneak say this. The value of

1170
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: Jordan and Anthony Brown is this. I always said, Brian,

1171
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: I've told you this before. I see a corner as

1172
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:35,960
Speaker 1: a starter. Yeah, teams started to run the ball in

1173
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 1: first down. At second and eight, you're in nickel. I

1174
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: didn't know what the numbers were last year, but two

1175
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: years ago in seventeen, we were in nickel sixty three

1176
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: percent of the time. YEP, So I counted that. So

1177
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: if you see a real shifty, quick slot guy, well

1178
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,479
Speaker 1: then you want to insert Jordan Lewis in the game.

1179
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: But if it's a taller guy that tries to win

1180
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 1: more with his length, now Jordan's going to compete. But

1181
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: maybe Anthony Brown's a guy. So I think it gives

1182
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: you two options flexibility, flexibility because people will put different

1183
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: types of players in the slot to try to exploit

1184
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 1: your team. Absolutely. Thank you for coming along in this journey,

1185
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:16,640
Speaker 1: my friend. It's been fun. We'll look forward to having

1186
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 1: you here in January day. Thank you for everything too.

1187
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: That is all the time. There's trust me. I'll be

1188
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: here before you know it, right. Yeah, again, thanks everybody.

1189
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: Thanks to Tom Siskowski for our newest member of our

1190
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: skying department. Enjoyed it. David Hellman, I want to thank

1191
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: Kayden Gates and also William Boykins for what they've done.

1192
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: Also has always wanted to thank ed Kayhill Kate Garrison

1193
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 1: for what the contributions they made to the show for

1194
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: so many years. We appreciate you guys as well. We'll

1195
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: be back here in January, the week before the Senior Bowl.

1196
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: Promise you we will get into a lot of players

1197
01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 1: and we will find a way to it once again

1198
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: investigate and educate you as fans of the NFL Draft.

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Speaker 1: For again, from my guys Toom Skowski, David Hilman, I'm

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01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Brian Bross. Take care. We'll see in January. This has

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