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Speaker 1: allowed to go on a Conune trip. I remember sitting

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Speaker 1: Is that even bourbon? That's Canadian whiskey. It's a blending

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Speaker 1: this stuff man bloom, Yeah, any of this stuff, I like, uh,

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Speaker 1: boring beginnings that I've done. Mark, What do you see

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Speaker 1: this morning here in camp? Well, this is Mark Kenyon

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Speaker 1: pulled up in my tent door and literally the first

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Speaker 1: Grizzly and cub riding camp five ft away from the crew,

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Speaker 1: the very tent we're sitting in. Yeah, oh yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: in a tent right now. If you hear like noise,

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Speaker 1: pitter pattern noise, that's rain. So if you don't like

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Speaker 1: the sound quality of this show, that means you don't

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Speaker 1: like nature, So you should go listen to the Rob

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Speaker 1: patter sounds and we've had like um, yeah, Johnny talk

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Speaker 1: about the grizzly, the other grizzly, A lot of grizz Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was the wee'd already. We think more than likely

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Speaker 1: that was the same Mama. Oh, I know, I'm just

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Speaker 1: saying that we had we We've been watching the sound

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Speaker 1: or cub for better well, probably half a day yesterday

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Speaker 1: as they ate berries as a vacuum berries across the tundra.

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Speaker 1: But the first grizz was also right below camp and

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Speaker 1: we had just come in after looking at some caribou,

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Speaker 1: and uh, it was the first day we got here,

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Speaker 1: so we couldn't hunt. Ye in Alaska generally think it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say germally, in Alaska generally you cannot hunt

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Speaker 1: a critter from the air and then landing near it

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Speaker 1: units now where it's up to like three or four

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Speaker 1: hunting it was. It wasn't eating berries, it was hunting rodents,

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Speaker 1: it's like just to you know, watching them eat blueberries

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Speaker 1: chronological order. I'm gonna like, let me lay some ground

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Speaker 1: one we talked about the dr day, we're out hunting. Um.

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Speaker 1: We're in a tent out hunting caribou in what is

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Speaker 1: called the forty Mile Herd. So there's a river near here,

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Speaker 1: the forty Mile River, and and the was a caribou

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Speaker 1: highly redundant. We've been discussing this every which way on

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Speaker 1: our hunt. But in Alaska you have about thirty five

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Speaker 1: caribou of varying numbers. The forty Mile Herd is comprised

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Speaker 1: of about fifty thousand caribou right now. The number fluctuates wildly.

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Speaker 1: So in the twenties it was down to caribou no, no, yeah,

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Speaker 1: can't remember the numbers. Quarter million, quarter million, five times

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Speaker 1: They're out literally photographing and counting caribit. Yeah, it was interesting.

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Speaker 1: When I was flying in, my pilot was talking about

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Speaker 1: And then, like you said, just this year, finally they

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Speaker 1: they have a mortality cap. There's a certain number of

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Speaker 1: registration tags and um. When this herd right now, they're

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Speaker 1: and then this herd will drift over and get out

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Speaker 1: now they're very well. They have like a moat of

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Speaker 1: they're protected by a vast moat of roadless, riverless country

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Speaker 1: like you just can't get in done what to get

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Speaker 1: they're wee well buffet right now. Um, and we flew

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Speaker 1: in how long was I think last year? Um? For context,

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Speaker 1: part of you. So yes, double meaning worked out kind

425
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: of nicely and it stuck and then um, the eagles

426
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: here now, and then uh, mr Doug darn hello anything

427
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 1: else you? When I add Dug, I would say, um.

428
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: When we were talking about this caribou behavior, I was

429
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,359
Speaker 1: surprised at how uh I mean, I expected to see

430
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 1: groups moving together, then moving generally in a direction, But

431
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: I was surprised at how many individuals I saw doing

432
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: there their own thing. Yeah, just sort of meandering their

433
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: way seemingly with total disregard with for what everyone else

434
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: was doing. Generally youngsters and cows. Yeah, yeah, the occasional bull.

435
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: But if you notice the biggest, the big bulls, like

436
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: the I mean the it's a percent a percent of

437
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: what you're looking at. Our big bulls. The big bulls

438
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: are are two things with a bunch of other big

439
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 1: bulls with cows. I got a question, is this similar to,

440
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: again going back to my bread and butter white tails?

441
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: So white tails have bachelor groups in the summer, all

442
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 1: these guys are all together, but as that testosterone rises

443
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: towards the rut, eventually those groups break up and then

444
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: you see them much more and much more solitary fashion.

445
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 1: Will that happen with the caribou. Are there on those

446
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: sort of bachelor groups now, but as they head into

447
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: later in September and October, are they gonna break up? Man?

448
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: That that's that's a great question. I'm sure just pe

449
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: they could answer really well. But a couple of thoughts

450
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: on one. I don't know if there's I don't know

451
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 1: if those groupings you're seeing when you're when you're seeing it,

452
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: like it seems like when you get into the really

453
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,800
Speaker 1: big bulls, so like the big dominant bulls tend to

454
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: be in packs of three, four or five that seemed

455
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 1: to be affiliated with a group of cows. I don't

456
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: know if those groups of bulls are just changing all

457
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 1: the time, you know that, Like I don't know that

458
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 1: those bulls are because there's you're talking about so many

459
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: animals moving all the time. I kind of picture it,

460
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: at least picture it being that those that those groupings

461
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: are fluid in nature. And then if you went a

462
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: month ago, that the a little bit surprised that the

463
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: groupings were the same a month ago. But I don't

464
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 1: really know. I'm sure there's people that could know, and

465
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: I'm sure they'll get ahold of us and tell us

466
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 1: where I'm wrong. The other thing is I always thought

467
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: that down the road you would have them become more aggressive.

468
00:28:55,320 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Remember hunting in early October and still seeing bles traveling

469
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: in big groups. So I don't know when it is.

470
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if the relationship is quite like elk

471
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: where they turn into or deer so many other things

472
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: where other servants, where there's that same level of hostility

473
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: from one bull the next. You do see these bulls fight,

474
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: you know, you know you see him fight inspire. But

475
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if they get as intolerant of other

476
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: males being really close to them. Is some other animals

477
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: get intolerant of other males being close to them? I

478
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: think so. The only thing I read about the run

479
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: as we were getting ready for this trip was that,

480
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: unlike elk to keep a harem or try to protect

481
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: the harem once it gets going, these bulls don't protect

482
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: the harem. They protect a zone, They protect a chunk

483
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: of land, and so any other bull it tries to

484
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: come into his zone gets run out, and the cows

485
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: that come into his own must get bread, but he

486
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 1: lets him go. He doesn't like keep a harem. But yeah,

487
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: we have to get we have to get some kind

488
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: of caribou expert down because what's what's hard for me

489
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: there is that would mean that all the movement ceases

490
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: unless he's got a traveling zone. It could be he's

491
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: got like they he's got a bubble that moved, Yeah,

492
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: a bubble of influence that he carries with him through

493
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: all these passes and valleys. But what I do know

494
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: is this first, so guy here had a little and

495
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: that grizzly, like a lot of grizzlies, like you know,

496
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: you kind of get as close as you get as

497
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: close as as responsible because you'd like to observe them.

498
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: And then he's very close to camp, So then we're

499
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: kind of thinking, at the end of observing him, I'm like,

500
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: would be a good idea to have him move along

501
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: his way and not be hanging out here. So we're

502
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: gonna try to spook him off a little bit, let

503
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: him know we're here so he doesn't just then turn

504
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: around and feed right back up into camp and potentially

505
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: get himself and do a whole bunch of trouble and

506
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: stand up and start getting the old hey, and like

507
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: a lot of grizzlies, that entices that at first just

508
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: means that it gets his attention. He starts coming towards you.

509
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: It happens all the time, and then you get up

510
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: and raise Holy hell, and you can usually move him along.

511
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: Um that happened. Woke up in the morning, went up

512
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: to a knob. And then you start trying to put

513
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: together like, well, what is a big bull? And that

514
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 1: just comes from watching, you know, like facting, like trying

515
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: to like to see what's possible out there, right, I mean,

516
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: you get in. The opportunities you have are so many

517
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: because you're just seeing so many of them go through.

518
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: And if you watch like a hundred of them and

519
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of bulls, you start going like, so that's

520
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: what a large one looks like. You need that reference point,

521
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: and then you establish your reference point. We had the

522
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: exceptional out of the average. It's funny though, right when

523
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: we landed, me and Doug came in first and we

524
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: got dropped off for anybody else, and me and Doug

525
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: was gushing because like, oh my gosh, that was the

526
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: hugest bull. It was monstrous, And now as I look

527
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: back on it, after we've seen hundreds of bulls, wasn't

528
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: really that big? Or just because the first one we

529
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: saw we had nothing to compare it against. And I

530
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: think we get a picture of that bull, I don't think, well,

531
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because it'd be interesting to look

532
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: at it because and and like all the other bulls,

533
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: you see a whole bunch. I mean, I don't know,

534
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: what do we see a hundred colls and calves to

535
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: every bullet you see, so you know, whatever number that happened,

536
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: But it's it's definitely more calls and calves and young

537
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: bulls and stuff until you see bigger bulls. And like

538
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: with that group, when we first flew in, there were

539
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: all these other caribou, and then he was there and

540
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: he was significantly bigger than the rest of him. And

541
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: so of course that's your reaction or our reaction, and uh,

542
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: and it was I would say it's what was a

543
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: white tail hunters reaction when when looking at like the

544
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: place I used to do that I've done maybe most

545
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: of my yeah, probably most of my carribou hunting. I

546
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: think it's been on the north slope of the Brooks Range,

547
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: in areas where you're not really able to get in on.

548
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: I mean, it's possible that could happen. But generally you're

549
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: not able to get in on these big, these big

550
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, migration paths of caribous. You're you're you're looking

551
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: at caribou in summeringe ground dispersed over a vast, vast area.

552
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: And yeah, it would be like to go up there

553
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: on the north slope on a road system hunt. It

554
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: would be laughable that you would be able to sit

555
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: around and cherry pick bulls, like we're cherry picking bulls.

556
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: Therell be like if you see a bull, you'r you

557
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: better just get your ship together and go, because you

558
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: count yourself lucky, you know. But here is that you

559
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: just get I mean it's not even it's like hunting,

560
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,479
Speaker 1: but it's like a little different than hunting. But hunt

561
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 1: for that one you want, the big player is still hunting,

562
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: but it's it's unlike anything I've ever so different than

563
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: most honey, But the excitement will be equivalent. When you

564
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: see the one that is stands out, that thrill will

565
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: be there. You won't be like that's another you know,

566
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 1: another bulle. It's gonna be like, oh, that's the one. Yeah.

567
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: But you know what's missing. What's missing is the idea

568
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: of and it happens antelope hunting too. What's missing is

569
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 1: the idea that you won't get one, the fear of,

570
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: not not the fear of, but like a lot of

571
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 1: times in hunting you're like, it's like, will I get one? Yeah, okay,

572
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: and that's the thing, but you said it can't shut off,

573
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: like there is a slight chance and not probably they

574
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 1: just it on but tomorrow, and it was Yeah, but

575
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: as much as hunting, it's about putting yourself in the

576
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: middle of this spectacle. You know, hunting is almost secondary

577
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: to the hunting is secondary to the experience of being there,

578
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: the experience of like being and seeing like sounds. But

579
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: it's true in this case, I think that's the perfect word. Yeah, no,

580
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: it is. It's like you're witnessing a mass migration of

581
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: large mammals. You'd never understand it unless you came here

582
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: and saw it. You just you just wouldn't know. So

583
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: there was that was some hunting mixed in, but it's

584
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: like it's just not like I'm even like, you know,

585
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: people spend a lot of time, myself included, talking about

586
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: fair chase issues and you kind of get into like

587
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: like caribou hunting in a situation. In a situation like this,

588
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: which which for men who will be a once in

589
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: a lifetime situation, I've seen it. I've I hunt a

590
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: tremendous amount. I'm in my early forties. I've seen this twice.

591
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: So you get into a situation where it's like, uh,

592
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, all of the stuff we talk about fair

593
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: chase and all that, I don't know. I don't know

594
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: if if this is this fair, I don't know to

595
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, to go get any individual one, to go

596
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: get any individual one is like it feels to me

597
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: like it has the level of uncertainty that we would

598
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: expect from a from what people like to describe as

599
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: a fair chase hunt, but when taken in the whole

600
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: population and the ability to get a animal seems like

601
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 1: a pretty foregone conclusion the minute you hit the ground. Well,

602
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: that's a good example of what I what I'm talking

603
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: about is like the one that we saw that you

604
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: and Doug went after and it just didn't work out

605
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: any part I want to get. Yeah, that's a great point.

606
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: And we're watching all these ones. The minute we pick

607
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 1: one out and go that's the one, somebody give us

608
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: the slip. I can't find them, and that's your that

609
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 1: you're like bar of scale from there they're on out. Yeah, yeah,

610
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: there's certainly I mean, you gotta climb mountains, so you

611
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: gotta run after him. You might get fogged out, Like

612
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: there's fair chases, there's elements of over one just trying

613
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: to like be out in a place it's very inhospitable.

614
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: And then a lot of people aren't comfortable deal with grizzlies,

615
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 1: which is a daily occurrence, yeah, or daily occurrence, seventy

616
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: sleeping in a tent and seventy mile hour goss, the

617
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: potential of getting annihilated by biting insects. So yeah, I

618
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: mean there are like tons of things that make it.

619
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: But I'm just talking about that like distinct, you know,

620
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: when it when it's the kind of hunt that the

621
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: minute you get out of your tent you could start

622
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: shooting caribou and then you could shoot them until the

623
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: sun goes down. It's just it's different at all point.

624
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's less. I love it, but it's

625
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: just different. And I will say that it is certainly

626
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: not less. The difficulty of the hunt for someone, um

627
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: like me, who's you know, I'm I'm a white Midwest

628
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,399
Speaker 1: white tail hunter. Um and yeah, I got ready for Yeah,

629
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: that was an interesting you put in there. That's how

630
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: a white Midwest white tail hunter. Oh sorry, you got

631
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: this talking juice here in front of me, tasteful. I'm sorry, yeah,

632
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: but no, I know, thanks for the correction. Uh oh

633
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: you are. I am a white Midwest white tail hunter.

634
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I sweetly am. So there's so many parts there. I've

635
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: never done anything like this. Um. I know you guys

636
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: do way more difficult hunts than this, but this is

637
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: the most difficult hunt that I've ever done, and it

638
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: is the most interesting hunt that I've ever done. But

639
00:38:55,640 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: when it came down to the moments with the decision

640
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: that we went after the first one, you talk about

641
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: that because I want and sticking to my chronology, talk

642
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: about talk about that we finally find one and then

643
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: you can't then you turn out that you can't get them,

644
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: and yeah, and that, and that caribou was exceptional based

645
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: on what I had seen in the first four hours

646
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: of hunting, but it wasn't even that. He was just

647
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: exceptional to everything that we had seen up to that point.

648
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: And so I'm at that point, I'm like, Okay, now

649
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: I understand, and away we go and into thin air.

650
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: Gone except for these guys said, oh no, you you

651
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: guys went down there and they were already around you.

652
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: And and uh, yeah, because you're trying to Yeah, you're

653
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: trying to head. I mean every time we've gone after cariboo,

654
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: you're trying. You're you're trying to one. You spot them

655
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: way off, you try to get you try to figure

656
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: out their trajectory, which is somewhat predictable because you look

657
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: at whoever was out at whatever group came before them,

658
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: and then you got to make up your mind and

659
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: in this hull ass and try to get there before

660
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: they do. And I would say we missed them by way, yeah,

661
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 1: And I would say about that when you said before that,

662
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: then you could shoot. You could get out of your

663
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: tent and start shooting cariboo and shoot caribou all day long. Yeah,

664
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: but that, of course we could. And that's just such

665
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: an unusual thing to be around. But then to go

666
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 1: out there and pick that, and then we began to

667
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: hunt because you are I mean, you're spotting, and then

668
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: you're hunting, and you're going you're anticipating where they're going.

669
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: You're trying to get there, and every bit of that

670
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: was a part of a spotting sock as far as

671
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: I was concerned. And you know, we were disappointed, and

672
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: uh we didn't I didn't find that animal. And we

673
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:56,879
Speaker 1: took kind of a loop and we're coming back and

674
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: here come up. Here come a bunch of younger caribou,

675
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: and amongst them were a couple of bulls, and one

676
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: was a really nice bull, and he closed within seventy

677
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: five or eighty yards of us. In there, some of

678
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 1: them run run away, some of them running a circle

679
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: away from you, and then they come back because they're

680
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: sort of curious about your They don't understand what you are,

681
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 1: but they're definitely alerted to you. And uh, most of

682
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: them have no human experience. They just doesn't clip. They

683
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: don't see you and going, oh ship right right run.

684
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 1: And so this which was an extremely suitable bull um,

685
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: came within seventy five yards of us and gave us

686
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: a show of uh fabulous of defiance of interests. I

687
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: am the animal was spectacular, and I never picked my

688
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: rifle up. I was so caught up in the whole thing,

689
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: and I asked you a couple of times, what do

690
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: you think? And you said, that's a heck of a

691
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: You may have said that's a hell of a uh,

692
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: that's a dandy. That's I mean, he said several times,

693
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 1: and you know, you can shoot that one, and I or, yeah,

694
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: I totally understand if you did. And I just point

695
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 1: out that it wasn't the one we were looking. That's

696
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: the other part of it. I had that exceptional one

697
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: to to compare it to. And I just got um

698
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,720
Speaker 1: completely caught up in the moment of watching all that happening,

699
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: and if and I realized now or I realized in

700
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: retrospect that I knew that it could happen again. I

701
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: knew that it would happen again. I would have been

702
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: surprised after that it would happen again. So I enjoyed that,

703
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: And I didn't regret not shooting that caribou. Yeah, I

704
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: think it was. Part of it was that he just

705
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: wasn't the one we went after. And then it felt like, um,

706
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: like an unearned thing. I don't know what it was.

707
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I could I couldn't put my finger on it at

708
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: the time, and I can't put my finger on it now.

709
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:10,400
Speaker 1: It was that was my first encounter like that, and

710
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: it was just that was enough, and he wasn't. And

711
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: you said to be a couple of times used with

712
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: that look, and that's he's he's not like the one

713
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: that we were we went after. That's not the one

714
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: we went after. And when you're seeing so many of them,

715
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: you kind of wanted to be the one you're going after.

716
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeo shows up. But that's that's where it is. Like,

717
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: that's the thing that always trips me up is how

718
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: much sort of mental masturbation is going on at a

719
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: lot of mental masturbation. It's very difficult to explain that

720
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 1: that would have a very difficult time. Like if I

721
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: went home and I was like, oh man, you know,

722
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of them coming by. My wife said, well why why,

723
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: why wouldn't you just be done right away? Then I

724
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: had to be like whoa, you know, it was someone else,

725
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: like an outside perspective. You never really get to where

726
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: they were satisfied. I mean you could shoot one opening

727
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: morning and still enjoy the spectacle for three days. You

728
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 1: never got introduced. Bro we quit the introductions. Yeah, Brodie

729
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 1: Henderson happy to be here with it, witnessing the spectacle,

730
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: those little guy fishing guiding and the works with us

731
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 1: guidance season is all done. Yep, thank god. Um yeah,

732
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: witnessing the spectacle. So me and dog got dupe. Then

733
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: we go back up to the glass and tips and

734
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: lo and behold here comes some legit, full on balls

735
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: out migrators, right Mark, Yeah, talk about that. Yeah, So

736
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: you guys got back up there. We sit down, we

737
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: eat some Sammy's kind of relaxed a little bit, not

738
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: relaxing well, getting that we're glassing as we sat and

739
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: that we were looking across that whole bowl where the

740
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 1: terraces were in the tops and everything, and I just

741
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: remember looking across there, just to the right and below

742
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: the terrace and just spotting these white these fabios, and

743
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: be like, I think those are new bulls. And we

744
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: pulled up the glass on him and yeah, five new balls,

745
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 1: and then a big old stream of other cows and

746
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: calves above them, and then unique to a lot of

747
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: the other ones we saw, which were more than meandering type.

748
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: These guys are on a mission. And so if I

749
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: remember right, we we looked him over pretty good. Didn't

750
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: take too long to realize there was there was one

751
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: or two in there that were worth our attention. So

752
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: they kept piling down that hill and then you're like, hey,

753
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: we should make a move on them. So we grabbed

754
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: our gear and took off down the hill. They disappeared

755
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: behind this one knob, not number one, right, And all

756
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: I remember is we go scooting down into this little ridge,

757
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: this little rise, and then I just remember when the

758
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: whole herd peeked over that first knob, and I just

759
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: felt like I was watching like I don't know, something

760
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: in the Africans serengetti, like just this massive. This was

761
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: like a miniature version of what I imagined it would be,

762
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: like this mass of like flowing animals down the hillside.

763
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: Many tons worth of animals, Yeah, many tons worth of

764
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: animals of mass. Yeah yeah, let off by this big

765
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 1: old white man bulls. Yeah, they were up front, they

766
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: were that bull. Um was he is either out of

767
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: all the hundreds of care but we've seen in two

768
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: and a half days of observation, he's either number one

769
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,799
Speaker 1: or number two in which respect the biggest ones we've

770
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: looked at. Yea, so here's that he might be number two,

771
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 1: number one being the first. I think the slip, I can't,

772
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish how happens though it looked like,

773
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: yeah he would, Yeah, he would. I put a bet

774
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: on the fact that the one that gave us a

775
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 1: slip was bigger as it should be. Yeah, lives on,

776
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: he lives on. But yeah, but the Serengetti is coming,

777
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: Seenge is coming our way, and man, like it was

778
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: just for me. It was the weirdest experience maybe I've

779
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: ever had hunting. Like it was just this like moment

780
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: of there's so many different things going on, right, I mean,

781
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: it was so different than any other hunt I've ever

782
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: been on, and just the whole spectacle of it, not

783
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: only the Willer spectacle, but also then our whole deal,

784
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: all these different people. You know, there's four or five

785
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: of us sneaking down there. Um, we got laid down,

786
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: We saw there angling our away. We had a good

787
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: spot to set up and uh laid down, put the

788
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: rifle on the backpack. You were so kind to share

789
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: your range acto with me for a little bit. Bigger

790
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: gal like yeah, And then they just came angling down

791
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: our way, and I was like, holy sh it, this

792
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: is actually gonna happen. And it's funny. At some point

793
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 1: you go like, oh, they are going to come through here.

794
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: In that veer off in some crazy as direction. Yeah,

795
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and like it wasn't though, Like I feel like in

796
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: most other hunts, you get to like mentally process what's

797
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 1: happening and like all right, yeah, like this is the

798
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: anual I'm going to shoot and kill her. This is happening,

799
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: or yeah, I want this to happen. It was like

800
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: I'd gotten on a roller coaster at the top of

801
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: that hill and then I was just tearing down it

802
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 1: all the way through this moment, and um, going into

803
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: this whole thing, I was like, I really hope I

804
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: don't shoot one on the first day. I really want

805
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 1: this to be like a long experience and to feel

806
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: all the way. But this was just like I was

807
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: tearing down that hill on the roller coaster and it

808
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: was happening. I was like whoa. And so he comes

809
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,400
Speaker 1: up and he's angling and we're ranging him, and he's like,

810
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:55,919
Speaker 1: you know, two seventy five to fifty. I just remember

811
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 1: like two thirty five somewhere with this last range I've

812
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 1: gotten And then like you said, blow or blouch or

813
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: whatever it is you'd like to say, but yeah, it

814
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: was funny because there's him and another couple and they

815
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 1: were kind of stacked coming in and out, and they

816
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: were just moving there on the move. So I tried

817
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: to find a moment when the other ones weren't behind

818
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: him and let him have it, and unfortunately was able

819
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: to get the job done. But here's the thing about

820
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: so you kind of bummed me out now about the

821
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 1: first day thing. You don't know what's like I've seen

822
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: plenty of times and all of a a sudden, just what

823
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 1: is it right now outside? Oh yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

824
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I'm not disappointed anyway, can see fifty yards because it's

825
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 1: like there are so many things that screw you. Oh yeah,

826
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 1: it's just like it's like it's clear, that's a big bowl.

827
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: Oh I'm glad we do what we did. I'm glad

828
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,399
Speaker 1: it happened. At might you wake up to my own

829
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: and it's fog, and then it's fog, and then it's

830
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: fog the next day and nothing ever happened. It's like

831
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: you have to just pick your moments. But in that

832
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 1: scenario when you've been for whatever at that point, we've

833
00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: been out in the field for six eight hours, well

834
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 1: maybe more twelve counting the day before, and you're just like, oh,

835
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: that's the hundred i've seen, like, you know, you're feeling

836
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 1: pretty cocky about it. It was wild, but I don't

837
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: even know if I wasn't like I feel like because

838
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 1: you Doug went on that stock, and so this whole

839
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: time was like Doug was hunter. I was an observation

840
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: mode and then like that switch flipped all of a sudden, Bam,

841
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: You're in hunter mode. And it was that transition all

842
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like my mind was readjusting to my

843
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: new reality. And it was just it was a super crazy, interesting, unique,

844
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,240
Speaker 1: once in a lifetime experience the whole thing and um,

845
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 1: and then walking up on that animal was pretty like

846
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: it was all like started becoming so real like that

847
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: as an incredible animal. Just just it was also different

848
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: wild and for me too from sitting the distance that

849
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:00,280
Speaker 1: I was watching this unfold, and I've seen other people

850
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 1: shoot white tails from a distance, but it wasn't any

851
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: just completely unique experience watching this happen unfold in front

852
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: of me, and I thought it was a completely different,

853
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: uh distance, it seemed like they were closing, closing, closing.

854
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,400
Speaker 1: Boy's gonna let him get really close. And then we

855
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: got down there and went, holy man, he shot this

856
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: thing at two or thirty five yards. Yeah, in these areas,

857
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: distance becomes very difficult perspective. Things are far the way

858
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 1: than you think they are. They're closer than you think

859
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: they are. You start walking towards something that seems a

860
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: million miles away, and in fact it's not. Yea, we've

861
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: talked about that. Um. Then we butchered out, and just

862
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: as we're leaving, we wanted to hunt some more. We

863
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: want to go back up to our glass and tit

864
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: and butchered out. And I was because of grizzlies. I

865
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: was like, let's move, um, the meat away from the

866
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: guts because when air comes in, they just go and

867
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: eat the anything's gonna come, and just eat the soft

868
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: tissue first, because you just goulup down because they don't know,

869
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: as far as they know, a bigger bears gonna come

870
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: and steal the whole damn thing from them, So when

871
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: they swoop in, they just want to like, you know,

872
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: you get what you can get and then work on

873
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: the other stuff later. A couple years ago, my brother

874
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: lost the elk to a grizzly and he had had

875
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: all four legs on the bone and boned out everything

876
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: else and it ate all the boneless meat and buried

877
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: the bone in meat. So they do know like what

878
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: they can gobble up quick and what takes time, and

879
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: and and like think about that. So we move the

880
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: meat I don't know, not even a hundred seventy five

881
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: yards away, not just to give a little buffer. And

882
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: we knew we're gonna be sitting there staring right at it.

883
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: And we get back up to the tent and here

884
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: here comes the griz out and we watch that thing

885
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 1: cover two miles. Do you think it's that far? Oh? Yeah,

886
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I think it's from the plate where it popped up

887
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: to where it ended up running at a run. And

888
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, the wind wasn't right, but I'm watched to say.

889
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, after a while, me and dirt almost made

890
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: a bet. I couldn't have sound like it's unmer it's undeniable.

891
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,479
Speaker 1: This bear is jogging with its nose in the air,

892
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: is jogging over an incredible distance towards this gut pile.

893
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: But the wind was wrong, So I'm like, how would

894
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: it be aware of it when the wind is what

895
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: it's doing. And then it turns out that just for

896
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: some inexplicable reason, it was running all that way toward us,

897
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: because it finally gets within like easy striking distance of

898
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: that gut pile, stops dead ass cold, and spends the

899
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 1: next hour eating blueberries slightly upwind of it, like it

900
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: was in kind of some rocky, sparse vegetation hit that

901
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: that barry buffer lush stuff. Yeah, because she was traveling

902
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: across just open you know, just rock and moss really

903
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: and then yeah, and I think she had her nose

904
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: near like she might smell. I don't know if they

905
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: got an ability to smell good concentrations of blueberries, but

906
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: she just traveled through the shitty ground, that little cub,

907
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 1: bouncing a long bind her. He stopped rassling with the

908
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: cariboan at one point he like barrel rolled down the

909
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: hillside sat and she winds up getting down into the

910
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: blueberries and just sets to eating, and then kind of

911
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: paralleled us when we got our meat, and headed back

912
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: kind of parallel us the whole way, and then we're

913
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 1: staying in our camp this morning. I never got that

914
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 1: ship pull circle wise. Garrett, poor Garrett though this morning.

915
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: So I opened that tent door and holy crap, there's

916
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 1: a mama and cub. And I didn't hear you, right,

917
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: I see it hop by my tent. Start yelling and

918
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: then it starts to meet up. Kind of was like

919
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: kind of half away. I think, you know how you

920
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: kind of gotta take away. Oh um here like grizzling camp.

921
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: And then so I yell and then she kind of

922
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 1: speeds up a little bit and goes over the hill

923
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, we're all good on the

924
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: other side of the yelling and I'm like, oh ship,

925
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: he's right there. Girls is calmly out there waving it.

926
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: I was brushing my teeth. I was like, well, if

927
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: the yelling doesn't do it three yards and she stood

928
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: up when I first when we first like she saw

929
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: me up. I was not aggressively, but I think like

930
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what was going on. And then uh,

931
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: Janice and Chris and the tent that she had passed,

932
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, very recently prior started yelling. She kind of

933
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: took off. But there was a moment there where I

934
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: was like, well, we'll see what happens, because you just

935
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: don't know what and you can't. I mean, I knew

936
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: like if she was threatened, I didn't have anything that

937
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: was gonna prevent her I don't think you want to

938
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 1: do with me. Some years ago, we had a grizzly

939
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: coming toward our camp and you know what he was there.

940
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: We were shooting rocks in front of it, like full

941
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: on shooting rock trying to stop it. We tried a

942
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: lot of stuff before that, but the eventually we're resorting

943
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 1: to like shooting and it still keeps coming. You still

944
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: know what their aunt he is gonna be like, man, yeah,

945
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: and like the fact that you know who knows it.

946
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: With the cub, I always just even extra cautious or

947
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: you know literally that they're gonna be more aggressive. I

948
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: feel like you were lucky in that scenario. I mean,

949
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 1: that's as as bad of a situation as you want

950
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: to get into. Is surprising a mom on the cub

951
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: and she didn't see you know, she didn't see me

952
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: when she first came over. But I don't be loved.

953
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: If you've gotten a little bit of a scuffle with that,

954
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: well me too, if I got a scar out of it,

955
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: and that's all, I would love that. I've always thought

956
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,680
Speaker 1: that would be good. I'm knocking on wood because just

957
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: a scratch how to come in there slinging on you

958
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: to halfter. But that's the most casual reaction to a

959
00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 1: grizzly bear ever. I well, we'll see what happens. Oh bullshit,

960
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: in this one. That was amazing. Yeah, they're they're a

961
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: gray animal, man. I mean, they really get your attention. Yeah,

962
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, I used to be kind of I used

963
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: to be more afraid of them. Um it used to

964
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: be more afraid of But now, like, I still have

965
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: a lot of respect for him, But I also kind

966
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:33,520
Speaker 1: of like when I see him, I'm always kind of

967
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 1: rooting it. They'll come closer, but not too close. Internet

968
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 1: I like having them near me. I would put our

969
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: observations and encounters with grizzly bears in this trip as

970
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: just as enjoyable for me as the spectacle of seeing

971
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: all the cariboo and even killing a cariboo. Like I

972
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: enjoyed our grizzly encounters just as much. Like when I

973
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: go back, that's going to be something that I'll remember forever.

974
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: Just Male's face when he stood up or came up

975
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: where we could see him, that's burned into just the

976
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: coolest critters. Yeah, no here man, Just like the room

977
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: they have, the room, you know, Yeah, the fact that

978
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: there was two points to intersect like us in them

979
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: such a vast landscape, you just realize how special that is.

980
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: You can just watch him not be you know, in

981
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: a survival mode, and they can you know, they can

982
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: get pretty old, but you still get the sense that, um,

983
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: when you're out here and looking at it, you still

984
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: at the sense that like this is probably or you know,

985
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 1: it would stand the reason that this is his first encounter,

986
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 1: this is his first reckoning with a person. Yeah, it's

987
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,680
Speaker 1: a way different kind of Grizzly than you'd see in

988
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: Montana or I don't and that gets a different version

989
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: of who's had experience kind of knows what to think

990
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: about still, And I've said this over the course of

991
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: the past couple of days a few times as we've

992
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: talked about some things related to us. But it's just

993
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: like it's good for my soul to know that there

994
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: are still places that that can happen, Like to know

995
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: that that could be really that Grizzly has not encounter

996
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: person before. Like that's just like a satisfying notion. Oh

997
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 1: for sure, man, glad to know that's the case possible.

998
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: But it's the thing that happens to people. Where is

999
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: the thing that has people where they tend to I

1000
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: think that people tend to be like, oh, places like Alaska, Well,

1001
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: that's a suitable place for wilderness. But then not think

1002
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: about not think about like equivalence at home, you know,

1003
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 1: and don't and and don't strive towards, um, don't strive

1004
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: towards thinking about the possibility of of of things being

1005
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: more steem, more appear, more wild closer to home. We

1006
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: have this thing like you relegated to this other locale

1007
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:07,280
Speaker 1: because you come up here and like what's up here

1008
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: it just isn't what's here isn't replicable anymore down there,

1009
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: you know, A good way puts. I was talking to

1010
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,439
Speaker 1: my brother. I think I might talk about this before,

1011
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: but one of my brothers, Um, you know, he's he's

1012
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: a fisher, he's ecologist and does a lot of work

1013
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 1: in Alaska, and we were talking about conservation and he

1014
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: was saying that, Um, that the difference between his line

1015
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 1: of work done here in his line of work done

1016
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: in the lower forty eight is there not here. They're

1017
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: not in rebuild mode. They're trying to understand something that

1018
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: they're in a position of trying to understand something that

1019
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: exists and head off trouble down the future. But you're

1020
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: not rebuilding anything. And the lower the eight conservation is rebuilding.

1021
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 1: It's repair and appear in a lot of places there's

1022
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: not like there's it's not repair, it's holding the line,

1023
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: you know. And those are like two very different views

1024
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 1: on are two like very different ways to comprehend wildlife

1025
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,880
Speaker 1: and wildlife conservation equally important, I guess the right man.

1026
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're you're approaching it from a position of

1027
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,520
Speaker 1: you can kind of and this is the broad generalization,

1028
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: but you can kind of approach it to be like, yeah,

1029
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:43,880
Speaker 1: you're not Yeah, you're you're looking to head off problems

1030
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: rather than fix them. In down there, we're fixing things,

1031
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get things back or you know,

1032
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: in many ways very successfully, right, very very successfully, but

1033
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: trying to like somehow set a clock back in some

1034
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: way fix the mistakes of the fifty years ago and

1035
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,080
Speaker 1: then things were later here where people were a lot

1036
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: more like once there's starting to be such a big

1037
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: human footprint here and it's gonna grow. But um, people,

1038
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, some of those some of those some of

1039
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: those moments when we were most rampant in our destruction.

1040
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: There wasn't also a very loud enlightened voice. And I

1041
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:30,280
Speaker 1: think that right now, as you know, as you can,

1042
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: you know, as people comprehend more development in Alaska, more

1043
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 1: industry in Alaska, there's like like a pretty loud enlightened

1044
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,640
Speaker 1: voice that has taken a lot of lessons that we're

1045
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: learned in other parts of the country and using them

1046
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 1: to like avoid mistakes that we've made. Now just understanding

1047
01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: the interconnectedness of things and realizing that the things that

1048
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,800
Speaker 1: you do have there's implications to the actions you take.

1049
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: It's interesting that the same pressures are still there from

1050
01:02:55,560 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: the other side too. You know, I don't know who

1051
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: said this stuff, but history might not always repeat itself,

1052
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:09,120
Speaker 1: but it usually rhymes. And I feel like, let you

1053
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: see that kind of thing happening. I hadn't heard that.

1054
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: That's good. That's good. So today we had that Grizzly

1055
01:03:15,560 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: went out hunting, and um, you realize that like kind

1056
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: of like plays out in the same way. Watched and

1057
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:30,600
Speaker 1: watched him, watched, watched and watched him, watched. Finally some

1058
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: big bulls came rolling through and then then Doug wept

1059
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 1: into action spring. It might be worth noting his close

1060
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: call earlier where he really wanted that one bull dog,

1061
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 1: like that whole scene there, we're on that side hill,

1062
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:50,919
Speaker 1: he's coming up the hill. I'm looking at him. That's

1063
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:59,600
Speaker 1: a nice bull I've been walking. I've been walking like

1064
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 1: where he's headed. It would be a downhill hike. Already

1065
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 1: told you that morning he was thinking about going on

1066
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: quote a mega hyke. Doug didn't like the sound of that.

1067
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: I didn't want to talk you out of that bulldog,

1068
01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: but I was trying to, like by by not paying

1069
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: it a whole lot of attention, attention and scanning the

1070
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: distant horizon. I was trying to convey to you that

1071
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: we had yet arrived. Steve went and sat like thirty

1072
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: yards away, just kept looking at the stuff. Can't see

1073
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,959
Speaker 1: over there. Yeah, I was like acting like that bull

1074
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: wasn't I mean, no disrespect of that bowl. I was

1075
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: trying to pretend that he wasn't there in an effort

1076
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: to influence your thinking. And then it was funny. Doug

1077
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: looks at me. He's like, Hey, I'm gonna go over

1078
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: at Steve and and tell him that I think that,

1079
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I want to take this bullets. Good

1080
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 1: situation and if Steve wants to go over there, he can,

1081
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:59,040
Speaker 1: he can just go and I'll hang out here and

1082
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 1: watch to see what this one. So douges walking over there.

1083
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: A sist next to Steve and he says it and

1084
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 1: here's kind of like we'll look at these over here.

1085
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 1: But he also said, I appreciate you. You're willing to

1086
01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: let over there and you'll stay here. And I don't

1087
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 1: want I mean, let's you know, let's face it, I'm

1088
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: the old guy in the group and I'm u. I'd

1089
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: like to say that I'm like the old the old bull.

1090
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,880
Speaker 1: I'm the last one always um, you know, hanging I'm

1091
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,480
Speaker 1: not hanging back. I'm just slow. That's along and the

1092
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: short of it. And I don't want to influence. I

1093
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: don't want that to necessarily influences, uh, someone else not

1094
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: doing what they want to do. And uh. And I

1095
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:41,200
Speaker 1: would have been perfectly content to what to sit there

1096
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: and watch that ball and not necessarily shooting, but to

1097
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,840
Speaker 1: watch you all the way around there, thinking it's just

1098
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: like would be the world's biggest mooch for you to

1099
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:52,160
Speaker 1: go all the way around there and and maybe they

1100
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: bump and come that way. But but I also appreciate

1101
01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: the fact that one you were recent said, I appreciate

1102
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: that that and at that time comes I'll let you know,

1103
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: but um, I don't think you want to shoot that ball.

1104
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: And I was pretty sure I wanted to shoot that bull,

1105
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: but you just never know what's coming over and you know,

1106
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: but if we go over here, and so we did,

1107
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 1: and you know, and it turned out to be a fantastic,

1108
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: fantastic afternoon. I think it's something we should cover because

1109
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: this is weird conundrum when we keep saying like, oh,

1110
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:32,439
Speaker 1: it's a nice bull, that's a nicer bull, like they're

1111
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: all nice. Of course. Yeah, but he said it pretty

1112
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 1: good when he said we just hadn't arrived yet. We

1113
01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:47,520
Speaker 1: just needed to walk a little bit more, look around

1114
01:06:47,600 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: a little bit longer, much like I didn't shoot that one.

1115
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 1: After we went that and saw that really big one,

1116
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:57,600
Speaker 1: and it wasn't I mean, everything that went through my

1117
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: mind when I saw that that other and Cayman was

1118
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 1: near us, that I just I just wasn't. It just

1119
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 1: wasn't right. And I don't know how else to describe it.

1120
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,200
Speaker 1: And and so that's why I didn't and and uh,

1121
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 1: my wonderful friend here, you know, he said, let's let's

1122
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: let's go over here, and uh so we did. I know,

1123
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,040
Speaker 1: I know what you're getting at, young, because like this

1124
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: weird luxury to like play this game that you're talking about,

1125
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 1: this mental masturbation. We're like, if we were really hungry,

1126
01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,919
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be doing any of this bullshit, Like we'd

1127
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: be in Bang bang bang and be done. But that's

1128
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: what that that's that's what I'm beginning about. The mental

1129
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: masturbation game is like I mean, you know me, well,

1130
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: I like meet and antlers meet more than antlers, but

1131
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 1: in this case you get to have both. Yes, I

1132
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: read a quote the other day also like to have them,

1133
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 1: but I don't feel like I just read a quote. Guys,

1134
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: I really you know, I hunt, um let's help for meat,

1135
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: and I've really developed a taste for six. Yeah, it's like, yeah,

1136
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,520
Speaker 1: the main thing I'm after like if like you know,

1137
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 1: I've thought this before, if you if I had a

1138
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,320
Speaker 1: dead Caribo land or anything carriboo, what we've seen anyone

1139
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 1: at all? And I had a dead Caribo Land there

1140
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: and and in God came down and said you gotta

1141
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: you can take the rack or the meat. I wouldn't

1142
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: even think about it, right, I'm gonna take the meat.

1143
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 1: But here, that's what I'm saying. Part of the thing

1144
01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: is there's so many of them, and you're trying to

1145
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:41,519
Speaker 1: to to milk out the experience. And I do like

1146
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,840
Speaker 1: to have antlers around a lot um. I really just

1147
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 1: like that and like to look at him and think

1148
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,880
Speaker 1: about him and hold him and talk about them and

1149
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,280
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff that here you can be like, Okay,

1150
01:08:57,439 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: barring some dramatic weather change, which I'm watching for, and

1151
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: I'm and I'm willing to alter my plans accordingly, barring

1152
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: that in this moment, I'm gonna look for the biggest

1153
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: damn caribou I can find. I got a theoretical question

1154
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: as as an observer, as a cinematographer photographer, to clarify

1155
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: this to me, I'm not pulling the trigger, you know,

1156
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: I'd love to in a different you know, circumstances. No,

1157
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:33,960
Speaker 1: I would prefer the photographies of but um. Say, like

1158
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 1: we were in a situation where you guys hadn't had

1159
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 1: an intended hunt on a specific animal. We pop over

1160
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: a ridge and up though one. It's just like a

1161
01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 1: hand me that you haven't done anything specific to hunt

1162
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 1: that that caribou bowl, but it is the one would

1163
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,720
Speaker 1: you hesitate for lack of the experience of hunting that

1164
01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: specific animal, or if it was big enough and it

1165
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:06,360
Speaker 1: was just like a staying there it wasn't an intentional,

1166
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 1: you know, strategic process. Put it this way. You could

1167
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 1: even make it easier. You could be like you unzipped

1168
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: the tent just there. He isn't camp and he like

1169
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: won't leave and he's think about you think about it.

1170
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: The camera guys, he's still standing around like some dudes

1171
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: like making coffee. Still standing around ability It depends on

1172
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: how good I am at mental masturbation, how good I

1173
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: am a playing with my own mind. Well, i'd ask

1174
01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,920
Speaker 1: all of you, because I would. I would say I

1175
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:42,120
Speaker 1: would say that it wouldn't be it wouldn't be as good,

1176
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,200
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter to me as much, it wouldn't be

1177
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: as valuable to me. Okay, But I would also be like,

1178
01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: but you'd be happy to go get this one if

1179
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:57,080
Speaker 1: you snuck up on it and so here it is. Yeah,

1180
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: it's really tricky, but here's nothing of value to mean.

1181
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:01,880
Speaker 1: This is all part of the mental masturbation game, not

1182
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 1: mental master. I don't want to short sell it because

1183
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: it's not mental masturbation. It's it's like all part of

1184
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: the way in which we perceive our world and set

1185
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 1: goals and values and expectations. For instance, if if someone

1186
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 1: said to you, would you rather come up with a

1187
01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 1: really good idea and earn a hundred million dollars from

1188
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,120
Speaker 1: that idea or would you rather just have publishers clearing

1189
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 1: house show up and give you a hundred million dollars?

1190
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 1: Most people are gonna say, um, well, given my druthers,

1191
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: I'll go with the cool idea. And you'd be like, well,

1192
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,400
Speaker 1: what's the difference. It's a hundred million dollars that you get.

1193
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: Why do you give a ship? Because? How I god,

1194
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: it matters to me. It doesn't every aspect the same reason,

1195
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: like the same reason that going to prostitutes isn't like

1196
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,599
Speaker 1: that alluring to me. It's like there's a there's a

1197
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: way in which you go after the things that you want,

1198
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: which you don't you know, And I see that and

1199
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: what you guys are talking about and that analogy. But

1200
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:12,439
Speaker 1: I think if you know, leaving out all the morality issues,

1201
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: just like it's like yeah, so if he's standing there,

1202
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,519
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like it as much, but it would trip

1203
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:22,519
Speaker 1: me up because I'd like, but there it is, you know,

1204
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,479
Speaker 1: but there it is. But yeah, and I'll point out

1205
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,160
Speaker 1: and this is a value. I mean, I can't act

1206
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: this to be a value of anything else. The two

1207
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:33,880
Speaker 1: bulls we've gotten had no clue we were there, and

1208
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: that is very important to me. We were not. We

1209
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: have not shot a bull that was looking at us.

1210
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: You shot bulls that we I mean, you know, it's

1211
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,760
Speaker 1: it's not I don't want to oversell it. It's not

1212
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 1: like like killing the elk that doesn't know you there

1213
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 1: is way different than killing the care but it doesn't

1214
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: know you there. It takes a lot more skill to

1215
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:56,920
Speaker 1: consistently kill elk that I have no idea you're there.

1216
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: There's no belly crawling going really on. I was answered

1217
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 1: my question, it's the bigger part is that intentional effort

1218
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 1: to come to that. I enjoy the journey, Yes, enjoy

1219
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 1: the journey. I'd say it was honoring the experience. And

1220
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:19,439
Speaker 1: part of that was not that's why I didn't shoot

1221
01:13:19,479 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 1: the one that I did, and then in shooting the

1222
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:28,160
Speaker 1: one that I did shoot. Um, So Steve says, let's

1223
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:29,760
Speaker 1: go over here and so I don't know. We take

1224
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: a quite a hike and it looks like we're gonna

1225
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:36,280
Speaker 1: take a very long hike. And we get over to

1226
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 1: this spot where we sit down and we're glassing and

1227
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: that's all. Let's have the same thing. Let's have some sandwiches.

1228
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 1: It's like sandwiches. If you you need something to show up,

1229
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,920
Speaker 1: you say, let's have sandwiches. And I'm sitting there looking,

1230
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:50,639
Speaker 1: I can't believe we walked all the way the hell

1231
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:53,559
Speaker 1: over here to have a sandwich and not see any

1232
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: carabol and we saw some you were thinking that, well

1233
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, but what I was really thinking up

1234
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:05,280
Speaker 1: on top of that, I just said so but they weren't.

1235
01:14:05,479 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: But they weren't. They didn't. They didn't appear, and they

1236
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,000
Speaker 1: took a little while. But that now we're glass and

1237
01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:14,160
Speaker 1: caribou that are another mile and a half away and

1238
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 1: talking about them, and I'm like, if they think I'm

1239
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: gonna walk over there, you know, And then I was like,

1240
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my mind right in case we're gonna

1241
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,720
Speaker 1: walk over there, so I'm gonna have my sandwich. I'm

1242
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: gonna get my mind right, and then like magic, they

1243
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:32,439
Speaker 1: appear up there. Although predictable magic. I suppose they these

1244
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,560
Speaker 1: this group appeared up on top of that ridge and

1245
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:37,360
Speaker 1: you guys saying when you talk about these packs of

1246
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,759
Speaker 1: six seven bulls, the guy antlers you know, as tall

1247
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: again as they are at the shoulder, and when they

1248
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: started coming over to skyline and just look up and

1249
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: it's just like it looks like Timber. It's like everything

1250
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: Timber coming over to skyline. Man, what was I had something?

1251
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 1: I was going to add that the whole like uh mail,

1252
01:15:01,320 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: masturbation and Ladies of the Nights experiences. Oh yeah, I

1253
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:19,080
Speaker 1: know what it was. Um, honey Free is a life journey, Okay.

1254
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: So it's like there's like a set of things that

1255
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,879
Speaker 1: that you're like, there's a bunch of experiences you're building,

1256
01:15:25,880 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 1: and it's a discipline and it's a thing that you

1257
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: strive to get better and better at. Right and to

1258
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:34,839
Speaker 1: understand better and better and better in any particular moment

1259
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,519
Speaker 1: can't really be separated from that greater life journey. So

1260
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:43,200
Speaker 1: here you are in this in this like hunting paradise

1261
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,080
Speaker 1: for a couple of days, but still within that are

1262
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: you know, the skill parts, the things you strive to

1263
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:59,280
Speaker 1: be good at, which is like identifying an animal, selecting

1264
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 1: that animal, and then getting up on it without it

1265
01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: being aware of your presence, and then killing it in

1266
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,360
Speaker 1: the very clean fashion. So yeah, you're still trying to

1267
01:16:09,400 --> 01:16:13,240
Speaker 1: like exercise that life discipline thing, even in a situation

1268
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: where it might not be necessary. Like the lack of

1269
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: necessity doesn't make those things less valuable to me, exactly.

1270
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this a lot after I killed

1271
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: my caribou, and back to like, oh day one, you know, jeez,

1272
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: was that like it just happened so fast? Didn't work

1273
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: for this? Did I earn this? And I I literally

1274
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: thought of the story you told earlier that day. I

1275
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: think when you were talking about the Picasso story where

1276
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:43,519
Speaker 1: he drew a picture on a napkin and someone asked,

1277
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, I can't be worthy whatever you said, however

1278
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,240
Speaker 1: much it was worth. But he said that it only

1279
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: took you five minutes to draw that. But then he says, yeah,

1280
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 1: but it took me a lifetime for it to be

1281
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 1: worth that much money. It was like, yeah, this is

1282
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:59,600
Speaker 1: a lifetime worth of work and experience that got me

1283
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: year in whatever way to this experience. Um, while it

1284
01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 1: may have only been a day and a half, actually

1285
01:17:05,280 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: out here in the tundra. A lot of things led

1286
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:13,479
Speaker 1: to this point exactly, exactly. Yeah, it can't be like

1287
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: being here to see this. You can't really divorce it

1288
01:17:19,080 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: from the broader context of things that even made you

1289
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:29,800
Speaker 1: aware to know to come do it. Yeah, life's journey man,

1290
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: that's the truth. I wish your honest his dad was here, guys,

1291
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: his dad to be in a hog having talked about

1292
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 1: life journeys. Life journey here like figuratively and literally with

1293
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:47,880
Speaker 1: the caribou, they're on a life journey. And finally Dirt

1294
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: myth is here. Oh hey, guys, we don't know if

1295
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 1: it was effective or not because we don't know yet,

1296
01:17:58,840 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: but but Dirt is. Yeah, Dirt is. Uh. I know

1297
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 1: Dirt didn't want to bring him up because he doesn't

1298
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 1: want to um. Dirt doesn't want to seem as though

1299
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:13,640
Speaker 1: he's taking advantage of his of his position with desperate

1300
01:18:13,680 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 1: within our friendship and organization. But but Dirt is looking

1301
01:18:17,680 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 1: for a house, sitting position in the Bozeman or ranch,

1302
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: same position the Bowsman thing within thirty mile radio. If

1303
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,920
Speaker 1: you have property, horror or ranch property, and Dirt was

1304
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: born on a damn ran, Yeah, I can be useful

1305
01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,679
Speaker 1: even a song that I was gonna say. Doug wasn't

1306
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 1: impressed by that. Um, the handiest handyman on the planet

1307
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: knows how to take pictures well, fixed stuff, troubleshoot, tinker,

1308
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: no animal identification skills. Really, that doesn't know if if

1309
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: house sitting your property involves telling chipmunks some squirrels, that's

1310
01:18:56,400 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: a big part of it. If any defeat docks and

1311
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: uh chickens, he can do that, thank you. Yeah. And

1312
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: like Dirt, Dirt lives is somewhat nomadic lifestyle and in

1313
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 1: his his lover um and you guys call each other,

1314
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: she loveses somewhat nomaddic lives a somewhat nomadic lifestyle. But um,

1315
01:19:18,479 --> 01:19:20,599
Speaker 1: and so it doesn't always make a lot of sense

1316
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 1: for Dirt to go and have like a regular dole

1317
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:27,960
Speaker 1: missile that most people would recognize as such. Um It

1318
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 1: oftentimes lives out of his truck. But he, being the

1319
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: most responsible guy on the planet, is looking for that

1320
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I want to give like rentals in

1321
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:41,920
Speaker 1: there in there if it was out of town. We're

1322
01:19:41,920 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 1: looking for ideally, yeah, caretaker, just to have that that

1323
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 1: responsible degree. Are you willing to work like how much

1324
01:19:48,920 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 1: hours do you have to really put in your taking

1325
01:19:50,960 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: care of said individual's property, like on average over a

1326
01:19:54,479 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: month maybe ten? Yeah, like that's yeah. I mean that

1327
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: the ideal situation would just be to disallow a place

1328
01:20:05,160 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: to fall into the discrepancy or decrepit decrepance. So I

1329
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 1: don't think you can add the e n cez it's

1330
01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: been too long. I'm saying no, But just to allow

1331
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 1: the crepit state to maintain a place not to milk

1332
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 1: your cows or so if there's a cow that needs

1333
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:31,760
Speaker 1: to be mild, you out just because I have a

1334
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: job that I love, and then away forth. But if

1335
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, man, um the fences like could use

1336
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: some TLC over time, get yeah, and you you would

1337
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 1: take that on. Or if they were saying, like, hey,

1338
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:49,479
Speaker 1: this rusty hunkle medal I wish was permanently affixed to

1339
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: this other rusty hunkle medal, you would go and get that.

1340
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 1: Hey we got this like old two Toyota to comas

1341
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,360
Speaker 1: in the bar a little TLC. Rebuild that second, you'd

1342
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: rebuild it from the game. So that's that, I guess.

1343
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: Get get a hold of me through uh the process.

1344
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: Let's give out your phone then somebody else have me

1345
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: like something they need to sell or anything. Now I

1346
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: feel bad. No, no, I appreciate this is not a

1347
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: service I really like to provide. But for you, I'll

1348
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: provide it home placement service. Um. But but for you,

1349
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 1: for you, I would do anything. It's a life journey.

1350
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: Who knows? Finally, Oh you're honest. Remember Yeah, this has

1351
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:38,720
Speaker 1: all been a test to see if John, you can

1352
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: remember something. And now we'll see. Oh now it's got dark.

1353
01:21:41,960 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 1: I can't read my notes anymore. There we go. You

1354
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:53,560
Speaker 1: look at notes, Well we're gonna talk about the your vortex.

1355
01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: Well I don't even look at notes for it. So

1356
01:21:57,680 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 1: see who I am after all doing it? So? Uh,

1357
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 1: our good body is a vortex? Do the thing called

1358
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:09,400
Speaker 1: your vortex? Right? It's a it's a contest and to

1359
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: end of the contest somehow, somehow, what's what to do again?

1360
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:19,560
Speaker 1: You canna submit video clips, unedited video clips of your

1361
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 1: experiences that um you feel jive with the your vortex? Um,

1362
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,679
Speaker 1: how would you put it? Like like great great moments,

1363
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:36,839
Speaker 1: great captured moments by non edited doesn't mean bad moments,

1364
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: but like you don't need to get in there and

1365
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: manipulate the clip like get a great moment from your

1366
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: life hunting whatever that really, you know, it makes you

1367
01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:50,320
Speaker 1: feel pumped up about. I feel like there's gonna be

1368
01:22:50,720 --> 01:22:54,080
Speaker 1: thousands of hunting related ones. I feel like the winner

1369
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,560
Speaker 1: of the contest is gonna be a non hunting related

1370
01:22:58,720 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: your vortex. You watch, someone's gonna come up with something slick.

1371
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be like it. It's gonna have like

1372
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:08,200
Speaker 1: a hint. Obviously this has to be a connection, right,

1373
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:10,200
Speaker 1: or maybe not, because it could be just a shooting

1374
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 1: sports enthusiast submits a you know, an unentited clip. Yeah,

1375
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:17,479
Speaker 1: but I can't really speak to that world as much

1376
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:21,240
Speaker 1: as I can. So imagine you've got some amazing little

1377
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:28,679
Speaker 1: clip of uh you like, rip out of you, rip

1378
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:31,080
Speaker 1: out a bugle, and all of a sudden, some giant

1379
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:42,559
Speaker 1: bull from the craziest screaming bull right steps off ten times,

1380
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: a hundred times. I'm gonna get more excited. And I'm

1381
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: not gonna get to judge. I don't know, maybe I will,

1382
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,759
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking like someone's little kid you just catch

1383
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,280
Speaker 1: like your boy just picking up the buyos for the

1384
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:57,639
Speaker 1: very first time, and he puts them up and he's

1385
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: like looks through him, holds him steady, and then looks

1386
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:06,120
Speaker 1: back and he's like, Daddy, Molly, I just glass stuff

1387
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:11,479
Speaker 1: for fill in the blank. Yeah, so stuff video clips

1388
01:24:11,520 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: like that and you sent them in um and you

1389
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: get as as as as marcover at Vortex put it glass,

1390
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: rich and famous because if you win, you get you

1391
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,439
Speaker 1: get like a like a get cool, expensive guarantee for

1392
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: life optics. And then your video clip also becomes part

1393
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 1: of a broader thing made from all the best emissions.

1394
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,600
Speaker 1: So go where do you going to join? For their website,

1395
01:24:38,640 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: they got a button hashtag your Vortex. Go there, you

1396
01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 1: can read all the rules and regulations. Yea, they were

1397
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: so clearly explained. Here are not so clearly. Go in

1398
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff your Vortex contest, get after it.

1399
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 1: Anybody else have anything they want to add, selling, buying, renting,

1400
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:03,400
Speaker 1: ridge pond or you're not even I gott a mike,

1401
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:05,240
Speaker 1: but you got anything you want to add? I'm just

1402
01:25:05,320 --> 01:25:07,920
Speaker 1: taking all in man, Okay, So you're not selling anything,

1403
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 1: trying to get anything out of this, no, okay, just

1404
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 1: to enjoin it. Roughly a year, I guess a while, man, Yeah,

1405
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,639
Speaker 1: happy to be back. No, over a year June June

1406
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:28,800
Speaker 1: of last year. Yeah. Here, we are happy to have

1407
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: you back. I'm stoked to be back. Um. I'm not

1408
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 1: gonna let everybody do a concluding thought because it's too

1409
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: many concluding thoughts, but I would like to invite uh first, Mark,

1410
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 1: would you like to do a concluding thought? Yeah, but

1411
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:48,800
Speaker 1: I think if someone really has a rip already did

1412
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 1: his housing. If you have something to add, Gary, do

1413
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: you do? All right? Thank you? So start with Mark,

1414
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: who's actually being invited to have one. Well, I appreciate

1415
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 1: that invitation. Is there anything you'd like to add? You know,

1416
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 1: I think it's I think we've talked about it over

1417
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:15,519
Speaker 1: and over again, but it's just been an unbelievable all

1418
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: around experience. Everything from the landscape to seeing the wildlife,

1419
01:26:20,320 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: to the interactions with grizzlies, actually filling our tags, the caribou,

1420
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 1: the social you know, experience has been awesome, the whole thing,

1421
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: incredible experience. Um, but being a white tail guy, you know,

1422
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:39,240
Speaker 1: growing up doing that, there's so many people that live

1423
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 1: in a place where there's white tails and they love

1424
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: it and they eat it and they breathe it and

1425
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,959
Speaker 1: they sleep it, but they never go outside of that boundary.

1426
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 1: And I've been lucky the last few years to be

1427
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: able to experience these different things, starting elk hunt, one

1428
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 1: of my first animal hunt, on my first caribou hunt.

1429
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 1: And I think I would just encourage all those hardcore

1430
01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,880
Speaker 1: white tail guys who absolutely love it and think I

1431
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:03,200
Speaker 1: would never want to do anything else. This is all

1432
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: I need that there really is a lot of value

1433
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:13,080
Speaker 1: in experiencing these different places, these different species. Um. And

1434
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,040
Speaker 1: it's very doable. Yes, this specific type of hunt is

1435
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:21,400
Speaker 1: a little bit out, maybe outside of the easiest economical

1436
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 1: or achievable hunt for the average guy. But there are

1437
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:27,599
Speaker 1: places where you can go have an incredible experience, many

1438
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:30,439
Speaker 1: times on public land, which is an awesome privilege we

1439
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:36,120
Speaker 1: have that is very affordable, not too terribly difficult. So

1440
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:38,800
Speaker 1: I'd say go out there and try these things. Do

1441
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:43,080
Speaker 1: these things, go to new places. Um. I'm really, really

1442
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:46,679
Speaker 1: glad I've been able to. Very thankful. Well done, Mark,

1443
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,800
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on man, thanks for coming on the

1444
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: trip with us, Thank you for having me. It's been unbelievable.

1445
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,840
Speaker 1: Your honey, that was a good closing thought, Mark, Thank you.

1446
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: App um M, Yeah, and I feel like this one

1447
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I read when Mark and I talked that was a

1448
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,160
Speaker 1: long time ago, at least we had. We did a

1449
01:28:08,200 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: podcast and you asked me what I recommended him. Maybe

1450
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: it was after the podcast we stayed on the line.

1451
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 1: You're like, I think about going to Alaska, which I do.

1452
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,679
Speaker 1: I was like, Man, if I was gonna go, now

1453
01:28:20,720 --> 01:28:24,200
Speaker 1: that I've kind of done, I've I haven't done it myself,

1454
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,280
Speaker 1: but because we've been filming shows, I've seen some moose hunts,

1455
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:33,760
Speaker 1: I've seen caribooans, blacktail, black bear, doll sheep. I was

1456
01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: gonna just recommend someone go and do going a hunter,

1457
01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,559
Speaker 1: go and get like the Alaska spirit experience. I would

1458
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: go do caribou. It's like you get the landscape and

1459
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:49,000
Speaker 1: you get to see an amazing migration a bunch of animals. Um,

1460
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: I feel like you can do it. Sent me affordable,

1461
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 1: much more affordable than mountain goat grizz or doll which

1462
01:28:56,600 --> 01:28:58,640
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get guided and you're looking at

1463
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:03,160
Speaker 1: probably you know, unless you got kid folk like me,

1464
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: see I kin folk like Steve Um Yeah, fifteen and

1465
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:10,760
Speaker 1: twenty dollars black bears. I feel like there's a lot

1466
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: of opportunity in lower forty eights killed though, so I

1467
01:29:13,240 --> 01:29:14,799
Speaker 1: don't you know, I mean, I know it's a special

1468
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: kind of black bear hunt up here, but still can

1469
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:22,679
Speaker 1: be done in lower forty eight moose they're cool, but man,

1470
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: you just don't get the action. No, you're putting in

1471
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: a lot of times action, but here like this hunt

1472
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: and and and what I'm saying is because again I

1473
01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,400
Speaker 1: don't think it's it's exorbitant, Like I think you really could.

1474
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 1: If you pinched it, you probably do it for less

1475
01:29:38,680 --> 01:29:42,080
Speaker 1: than five k. Well no, not if you do well,

1476
01:29:42,120 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yes, no, no no, no, if you

1477
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 1: road system d I y, but I think it almost

1478
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: be worth it to skip paying the flight that year

1479
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: to go do the road system hunt for two or

1480
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: three grand and you know, save another year so that

1481
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:01,439
Speaker 1: you could fly into the bush and come and see

1482
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: the hundreds of animals every day. Yeah, I've done I've

1483
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: done well. Four I think four road system Carribo hunts

1484
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 1: had great experiences and all of them, but like you said,

1485
01:30:16,120 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: you didn't see this being able to fly in real

1486
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 1: special I feel like this is as a lasking of

1487
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 1: an Alaska experience as you could ever ask for the

1488
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 1: bush plane flight alone. Oh my gosh, when when we

1489
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:33,240
Speaker 1: were flying in, this is kind of embarrassing. But when

1490
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 1: we're flying in and I'm sitting back there just rubber

1491
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:38,439
Speaker 1: neck in the whole time, I literally broke out into

1492
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: like laughter, like giggling, smiling, like I can't believe this

1493
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 1: is real life right now. This is the most incredible thing.

1494
01:30:45,640 --> 01:30:47,760
Speaker 1: The really about doing caribo. If you're looking to like

1495
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: dip your toes into um, you know, if you're looking

1496
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,120
Speaker 1: to dip your toes into a self guided hunt, and

1497
01:30:54,160 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I really would, there's no like, I don't Yeah, it

1498
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:00,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean don't don't go hire a guide to want

1499
01:31:00,160 --> 01:31:05,519
Speaker 1: to caribou one just go? Um? Because what was that?

1500
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: What's what's wrong that? Well, because I think you're you're

1501
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:14,280
Speaker 1: assuming that everybody has the experience. That's what That's what

1502
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna That's what I was gonna get to. Um.

1503
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: I think you'll be able to figure it out. I

1504
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:25,440
Speaker 1: think it takes the least. It's just it's very circumstantial,

1505
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:31,080
Speaker 1: but I think like you can pull it off with

1506
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 1: a lot less life experience. Then one would need to

1507
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 1: pull off a lot of other non guided hunts in

1508
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:47,559
Speaker 1: this state. You know, It's like operating up here is

1509
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: always is. Operating up here in any kind of in

1510
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: a non guided sense, operating up here is vastly more

1511
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: difficult than anything you will do in the lower forty eight.

1512
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,800
Speaker 1: It just is everything is different, the gistics and the

1513
01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,639
Speaker 1: safety and all that is what you gotta be good

1514
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: at rather than being some super badass hunt. Yeah. Yeah,

1515
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:14,320
Speaker 1: you need to be good at like thinking through situations

1516
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:17,600
Speaker 1: you might get into because you can't walk out to

1517
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: the truck and when the weather is bad, a plane

1518
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: is not gonna come get you, and so you need

1519
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: to be ready to be stuck and you need to

1520
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:30,559
Speaker 1: be ready to solve your own problems. Is not going

1521
01:32:30,600 --> 01:32:32,920
Speaker 1: to be a quick response time. There could be you

1522
01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: could be days away from help in an emergency. So

1523
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,400
Speaker 1: there's that, right, which is not a small thing. But

1524
01:32:39,320 --> 01:32:42,240
Speaker 1: I would say that just the level of expertise needed

1525
01:32:43,800 --> 01:32:47,080
Speaker 1: um in terms of finding it, like just everything. Man.

1526
01:32:48,040 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: I just think it's like a great and it's a

1527
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:56,880
Speaker 1: great introduction and why like why bring in the why

1528
01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: bring in the insulation and buffer of a I when

1529
01:33:01,160 --> 01:33:05,120
Speaker 1: you could go have a more real, genuine experience of

1530
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:12,640
Speaker 1: figuring it out on your own. Kind of add to

1531
01:33:12,680 --> 01:33:14,120
Speaker 1: that because he just brought it up a little bit,

1532
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:17,080
Speaker 1: the whole mouney with the guide thing and there's the installation, right.

1533
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,519
Speaker 1: And I've had this sort of a ongoing debate argument

1534
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: with some other people that um our guides themselves. They

1535
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,120
Speaker 1: go hunt with guides, and they're like, mat love going

1536
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,440
Speaker 1: home with guides. It's like they like they know the country,

1537
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: they know like where the best of the best is.

1538
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: It's just like this great trip for me, you know,

1539
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:40,120
Speaker 1: like all that I love about it. And I feel

1540
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: that those people just don't value like the challenge of

1541
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: having to go in there and figure out on their

1542
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 1: own or what you just described, Like you have to

1543
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 1: want to have that challenge and to be like, Okay,

1544
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,760
Speaker 1: I gotta figure this out on my own because I

1545
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 1: don't have the dude that you know, knows this basein

1546
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: or knows how to walk out of here. You know

1547
01:34:01,200 --> 01:34:05,599
Speaker 1: that unknown it to highly value that um to go

1548
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:09,040
Speaker 1: that route. There's some grown ups that read Harry Potter, right,

1549
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: and there's something that read pension. It's just like there's

1550
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,720
Speaker 1: like different kinds of people, you know, there's two kinds

1551
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:17,320
Speaker 1: of people. People who hunt with guys because they've developed

1552
01:34:17,320 --> 01:34:20,479
Speaker 1: this relationship with them and they want to go hunt

1553
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 1: with their buddy. Every year there a guide who has

1554
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: become a very good friend, you know. Okay, yeah, but

1555
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 1: since they didn't have like hours to explain my perspective

1556
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,839
Speaker 1: and like roll in every possible caveyat, I'm just saying

1557
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:41,920
Speaker 1: that that this is a doable It's a doable thing.

1558
01:34:43,080 --> 01:34:45,679
Speaker 1: If you're going to pick an Alaska hunt, an unguided

1559
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:48,200
Speaker 1: a last hunt, this is the one. It's a doable

1560
01:34:48,280 --> 01:34:52,280
Speaker 1: thing if you never hunt. Yeah, I don't. I don't

1561
01:34:52,280 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 1: even know why I'm even engaged in this conversation, Brodie,

1562
01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 1: what do you got precluding thoughts? I'm pretty much good.

1563
01:34:57,120 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm glad I got to meet

1564
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:05,800
Speaker 1: Mark and Doug and it's been awesome. No, no, this

1565
01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 1: is for the first time. My concluder is I hope

1566
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't have to hold onto my my tent pole

1567
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:20,080
Speaker 1: the night, but get touch Hurricane Force wins the first night.

1568
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring it up because this is the ship

1569
01:35:23,560 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: that maybe maybe the camera guys need to start stepping

1570
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,120
Speaker 1: it up. And when there's gale Force wins, you guys

1571
01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:30,600
Speaker 1: just gotta plug in the batteries and get out in

1572
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: there and start filming so they can make it into

1573
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: the because we had like death hikes that don't make

1574
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,760
Speaker 1: it into the show. And now the first night we

1575
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:43,840
Speaker 1: were here, it blows. It wasn't quite enough to hold

1576
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: me up. I tried leaning into it a little bit

1577
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,160
Speaker 1: as I was out redoing the stakes, and it wasn't

1578
01:35:48,320 --> 01:35:52,920
Speaker 1: quite that. But when I woke up, bro you can

1579
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:55,519
Speaker 1: finish up here, because that's got your stories worse. When

1580
01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: I wake up, finally opened my eyes. Well, we've been

1581
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:01,439
Speaker 1: in and out of leap because it was the wind

1582
01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:03,360
Speaker 1: was shaking the tent a lot, but I'd wake up

1583
01:36:03,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: and he was all good. And then finally opened my

1584
01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:09,360
Speaker 1: eyes once and I'm like, holy ship, Chris, Chris, Chris, Chris.

1585
01:36:09,400 --> 01:36:11,560
Speaker 1: And I can see Chris on the other side of

1586
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,680
Speaker 1: the tent, but I can also see all of the

1587
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:20,200
Speaker 1: tundra behind Chris. Chris the ground anymore, and I'm thinking,

1588
01:36:20,240 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: I need to just wake him up so he will

1589
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,160
Speaker 1: grab the edge and just pull it back to the

1590
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: ground and hang on to it so I can restake,

1591
01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: which is pretty much what happened, right Chris, Yeah, so

1592
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:33,000
Speaker 1: we did that, but we did what that happened is

1593
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:36,800
Speaker 1: we restaked Brody's up restaken too over his cent. I'm like,

1594
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 1: all right, he's got he got taken care of. So

1595
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,679
Speaker 1: Chris and I each dig out some ear plugs somewhere,

1596
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: putting our ear plugs and go to sleep. Sleep the

1597
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: rest of the night. But we didn't hear Brody. Well,

1598
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:53,400
Speaker 1: it got worse, got a little wind ear and the

1599
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: wind kind of shifted around to a different direction, and uh,

1600
01:36:58,600 --> 01:37:02,080
Speaker 1: half the tent blew up. And these tents have one big,

1601
01:37:02,160 --> 01:37:04,920
Speaker 1: long it's not like a teepee style tent. Yeah, he's

1602
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,040
Speaker 1: in the gear tent, and I'm in the gear tent,

1603
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:10,439
Speaker 1: which means like a lot of like expensive ship that

1604
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,640
Speaker 1: we need to make the show with. And and and

1605
01:37:13,720 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: the tent blows up and the only thing holding it

1606
01:37:16,720 --> 01:37:21,240
Speaker 1: here is the main steak. So for probably twenty minutes,

1607
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm just holding onto that steak, hoping the tent doesn't

1608
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:29,240
Speaker 1: blow into the canyon below us, and uh, trying to yaunt.

1609
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: These guys come and help me. But they had some

1610
01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 1: real good ear plugs in. Eventually it died down enough

1611
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,840
Speaker 1: where I could get get some rocks on the tent

1612
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:41,680
Speaker 1: and have it hold till the morning. Not only to

1613
01:37:41,680 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 1: play good camper, bad camper, but ridge Pounder can bag

1614
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:49,840
Speaker 1: me up on this. I I'm sleeping in a little

1615
01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:55,000
Speaker 1: three person, three person nemo tent hornet, nice low profile,

1616
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:57,200
Speaker 1: load of the ground, profile, lowder the ground. And not

1617
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 1: just that. But as I explained the Pounder, I found

1618
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 1: the lee of a hill. Then within that I found

1619
01:38:04,120 --> 01:38:08,519
Speaker 1: the lee of a rock outcrop, and within that I

1620
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: rocked the I like had a small quarry going on

1621
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:19,000
Speaker 1: and staked out and then piled rocks on my stakes

1622
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 1: and I slept through that thing. You were playing a

1623
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 1: long game with your tent, choosing spot, and I went

1624
01:38:25,000 --> 01:38:30,080
Speaker 1: around spreading word to other campers in my vicinities rocking

1625
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 1: out their tent. I'm very gladd well these tents were Look,

1626
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 1: these tents were rocked out. It was blowing hard enough

1627
01:38:36,400 --> 01:38:39,600
Speaker 1: that that wind was moving those rocks with you. And

1628
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:41,400
Speaker 1: this is a very different beast because you're in You're

1629
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:45,519
Speaker 1: in the big gear tent. I'm in little little profile tam. Yeah,

1630
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,639
Speaker 1: that that support pole was buckled in the wind man.

1631
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,479
Speaker 1: It was pretty impressive. Alright. So dire, I guess you

1632
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 1: get like you know, because Jannie came to your defense.

1633
01:38:53,479 --> 01:38:56,080
Speaker 1: You get a second go around on a concluder. I

1634
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:02,519
Speaker 1: would just say it has been spectacle ler filming and

1635
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: photography photographed. It's been spectacular to cover this, uh the

1636
01:39:11,200 --> 01:39:19,439
Speaker 1: spectacle up here on a forty mile herd. Sweet is it? Yeah?

1637
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:25,280
Speaker 1: Anyone else any last thoughts? Oh? Dog got his concluded?

1638
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: You know? I, Um, I didn't and sorry, no Jo.

1639
01:39:31,920 --> 01:39:34,479
Speaker 1: I'm just happy to be here, um, which I really

1640
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:37,800
Speaker 1: am just happy to be here. But you know, for

1641
01:39:37,840 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: someone who's done of his hunting on private land, and uh,

1642
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:51,240
Speaker 1: not just that but land you own. Yeah, um, you know,

1643
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,639
Speaker 1: I've been supportive of conservation on public land as well,

1644
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:59,560
Speaker 1: but my focus has been conservation on private land. To

1645
01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 1: come up here and to be a part of this

1646
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: and too be in this, to fly over it, to

1647
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:11,599
Speaker 1: fly into it, to be dropped in the middle of it. Um,

1648
01:40:11,760 --> 01:40:16,080
Speaker 1: it's just very overwhelming, quite honestly, to be to be here,

1649
01:40:16,120 --> 01:40:23,439
Speaker 1: and I'm so happy that it exists, and um, very

1650
01:40:23,439 --> 01:40:26,000
Speaker 1: happy that I now have a public land story to tell.

1651
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,280
Speaker 1: Was that the first big game animal you've you've taken

1652
01:40:31,320 --> 01:40:37,720
Speaker 1: that was not a white tail? It's pretty awesome. Y.

1653
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:39,680
Speaker 1: I didn't you know, we talked about that, but I

1654
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 1: hadn't really hadn't really occurred to me until until tonight.

1655
01:40:45,040 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 1: All right, man, well, let's let's do a moment of

1656
01:40:47,120 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 1: silence to to to just experience the um the rain

1657
01:40:53,840 --> 01:41:04,960
Speaker 1: on tenth m hmm do you have. Ladies and gentlemen,

1658
01:41:04,960 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 1: thanks for joining talking