Speaker 1: What's up, friends, and welcome into the Fantasy Pros Dynasty
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Speaker 1: of the premier Dynasty voices in the space, and we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about deeper Dynasty targets. Now, this
Speaker 1: series has led us up into the top one hundred.
Speaker 1: We're now one hundred and even a little bit further.
Speaker 1: So you know, how deep are you really going? Well,
Speaker 1: this isn't like deep deep deep, but this is when
Speaker 1: you're getting outside the top one hundred. Deeper Dynasty targets
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Speaker 1: Real j R. Anderson, James Anderson talking some Dynasty with me. James,
Speaker 1: what's up, buddy?
Speaker 2: Thanks? He haming Man, looking forward to Dynasty?
Speaker 1: Is your specialty done? Lots of have different variations of leagues,
Speaker 1: and you play in some of the big hardcore ones,
Speaker 1: so you're definitely the premier guy to talk about. And
Speaker 1: when we get outside the top one hundred, I very
Speaker 1: loosely use the idea of like deeper dynasty targets. But
Speaker 1: you know we've talked about in these episodes, construction of
Speaker 1: dynasty is just it's very nuanced of like you new draft,
Speaker 1: who are you? Are you a win? Now? Are you
Speaker 1: kind of towing both sides? You playing for the future.
Speaker 1: Not everything is equal, but outside the top one hundred,
Speaker 1: things just open up. And we've been focusing on ranks
Speaker 1: and that's kind of the unique thing about this entirety
Speaker 1: is everything just opens up as far as values go.
Speaker 1: So I've taken a look at some your dynasty ranks
Speaker 1: some of mine, and picked apart some players that go
Speaker 1: a little bit deeper when we get outside the top
Speaker 1: one hundred to talk about. And the first one I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up was, actually, I believe he's number
Speaker 1: one hundred for you, Hassun Kim, who was a first
Speaker 1: year disappointment from a couple of years ago and then
Speaker 1: absolutely blew up this past year and has kind of
Speaker 1: redefined his overall value. But I think there are still
Speaker 1: major questions about who is Hasung Kim from a year
Speaker 1: to year basis, and how do we value Hassung Kim
Speaker 1: for the foreseeable future. Twenty eight years old, coming off
Speaker 1: of a seventeen homer, thirty eight stolen based season, sub
Speaker 1: twenty K percentage, so he teeters right at the top
Speaker 1: one hundred space and dynasty. So talk to me about
Speaker 1: Hassung Kim and how you value him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like Kim.
Speaker 3: He's got I think he's got a really high floor
Speaker 3: because of how good of a defender he is, and
Speaker 3: you know, you just you kind of know that he's
Speaker 3: going to be playing pretty much every day somewhere on
Speaker 3: the diamond because of that defense and his ability to
Speaker 3: kind of move around.
Speaker 2: I think last.
Speaker 3: Offseason was the time to get Kim in dynasty leagues,
Speaker 3: like obviously, but like I don't think now is the
Speaker 3: time to acquire Kim, you know, I think that there
Speaker 3: are other players like Andres Jimenez with the Guardians where
Speaker 3: they just they didn't have quite as loud of a
Speaker 3: year this past year and are a little under the Raider,
Speaker 3: but they kind of give you the same type of thing.
Speaker 3: Just kind of a lot of guys like this, especially
Speaker 3: at second base and short step, where it's just you
Speaker 3: know you're getting with the new rules and everything, you're
Speaker 3: hoping for around thirty steals and then double digit homers,
Speaker 3: but you're not exactly sure how many homers you're getting.
Speaker 3: And so I think like of that group of players,
Speaker 3: Kim might have the most trade value, right or like
Speaker 3: you'd have to trade the most to acquire him, just
Speaker 3: based off how big his year was last year. So
Speaker 3: you know, I like the floor. I think he's a
Speaker 3: great guy to have, but I do think this might
Speaker 3: be a career best fantasy season that.
Speaker 1: He also, Yeah, it's also interesting like if you take
Speaker 1: a look at like guys that steal thirty bases and
Speaker 1: also can give you fifteen plus homers. You usually don't
Speaker 1: see those guys outside the top one hundred Redraft or Dynasty,
Speaker 1: it's kind of few and far between. Dynasty it opens
Speaker 1: up because now you can throw them in these pools
Speaker 1: of these prospects that could be here or there. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what makes him kind of fascinating. How
Speaker 1: are you also, especially in Dynasty, I think we're tackling
Speaker 1: some of this in Redraft. How are you approaching the
Speaker 1: uptick and stolen bases? I think a relatively common thing
Speaker 1: for a lot of people is like, okay, well stolen
Speaker 1: bases have ticked up, so premium power. That's the thing
Speaker 1: that has to be a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: target here. You look at thirty stolen bases outside the
Speaker 1: top one hundred, and people would you know, flock over it.
Speaker 1: But are you maybe downgrading stolen bases a tiny bit
Speaker 1: in Dynasty or do you still think there's there as
Speaker 1: as valuable as ever, especially when paired with like a
Speaker 1: solid average and serviceable homers. You know, over fifteen homers
Speaker 1: is like very doable.
Speaker 2: I think stolen bases are They've always been my least
Speaker 2: coveted of the five hitting stats in Dynasty, just because
Speaker 2: they don't correlate the same way the other ones.
Speaker 4: Do.
Speaker 3: You know, when you hit a home run, you're also
Speaker 3: getting the run in the RBI. Obviously it's helping your
Speaker 3: batting average. Whereas you know, a lot of the guys
Speaker 3: that steal a bunch of like I have zero interest
Speaker 3: in like Aestuariuizan Dynasty, for instance, But once you get
Speaker 3: into the kind of like the guys that are stealing
Speaker 3: bases and helping your average and hitting double legit home runs, like,
Speaker 3: obviously those are great players to have several of on
Speaker 3: your roster. And I, you know, redraft Dynasty doesn't really
Speaker 3: matter what it is. I like, I always want to
Speaker 3: be averaging double digit steals from my middle infield spots,
Speaker 3: from my outfield spots. That doesn't mean you can't find
Speaker 3: room for like a Corey Seeger or a Nick Cassianos
Speaker 3: type of guy. But like, if you're if you're going
Speaker 3: to start Corey Seger, I want to be getting extra
Speaker 3: solen bases from like maybe my third basement, or I
Speaker 3: want to be getting you know, one of those guys
Speaker 3: like Kyle Tucker or Huiar Rodriguez, Cordin Carrol in the
Speaker 3: first round, so that I'm getting just a ton of
Speaker 3: steals to open that up.
Speaker 1: There's also like there's so many middle infielders whatever you
Speaker 1: want to call it, Like Hassun Kim definitely has some
Speaker 1: position flexibility. Should be a short second third still, at
Speaker 1: least that's where early fan tracks is. I haven't gone
Speaker 1: to look at the positional stuff, but there's like so
Speaker 1: many in Dynasty or Redraft shortstops from the seegers, the
Speaker 1: lindoors to banking back on O'Neill cruises, to adding Matt
Speaker 1: mcclein's in, and then you get you know, the prosly
Speaker 1: Jackson holiday and stuff like that. We're doing a we're
Speaker 1: undertaking currently this Dynasty mock draft that we're doing with
Speaker 1: the tool Shed guys. Rounds eight through ten there were
Speaker 1: five total middle infielders taken, which I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: Hassun Kim was in there. There's one process beck Jet Williams,
Speaker 1: who I know you love, a couple older guys, and
Speaker 1: then the next guy wanted to bring up Bryson Stott,
Speaker 1: who Bryson Stott actually went higher than everybody I just
Speaker 1: mentioned Hassan Kim, Swanson Bogart's Jet Williams. He went higher,
Speaker 1: he went in the eighth round. How do you compare that,
Speaker 1: maybe a Bryson Stott who did similar things as Hassan
Speaker 1: Kim and a little bit younger. Thirty one stolen bases
Speaker 1: fifteen homers, hit two eighty, which was even better even
Speaker 1: lower strikeout percentage. But I think there are real questions
Speaker 1: about the power. Steamer projection still have them at fifteen
Speaker 1: homers though, but the stolen base is coming down fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty Steamer projection this year. Hassan Kim versus Bryson Stott.
Speaker 2: For you, I mean, I think they're basically the same guy.
Speaker 3: I just you know, whichever one I guess is I
Speaker 3: will not, like in a Redrafter Dynasty league, like if
Speaker 3: both those guys are available, like if you've got you know,
Speaker 3: Andresa Menez, like the Tommy Edmond type's all still available,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be the one that takes the
Speaker 3: first guy just because it's it's just a it's a
Speaker 3: it's a combination of stats that I don't think is
Speaker 3: incredibly unique. It's it's valuable, but there's multiple guys at
Speaker 3: the same position that kind of give you the same thing.
Speaker 3: So I just don't want to necessarily take the first guy.
Speaker 3: But very similar story with him in Dynasty. Just the
Speaker 3: defense gives him such a high floor. You know, you
Speaker 3: love that you're getting the speed without him taking a
Speaker 3: ton of other stats off the table. But I do
Speaker 3: think you know, last offseason was the season to buy
Speaker 3: an on Bryson Staff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the thing I would throw with Bryson maybe
Speaker 1: two years younger. Just you know, if you're taking a
Speaker 1: look and you want to pair those values outside the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. This also is why it was very
Speaker 1: appropriate to have you on here as well. Opens up
Speaker 1: the prospect conversation even more. I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that get very finicky about taking prospects inside
Speaker 1: the top one hundred of Dynasty or further by the way,
Speaker 1: there's plenty of people that are just like, not, just
Speaker 1: give me a redraft list. That's how I'm gonna attack Dynasty.
Speaker 1: You get outside the top one hundred. I think this
Speaker 1: open up even more. There are two very fascinating players
Speaker 1: that I would want invested in out just outside your
Speaker 1: top one hundred, and these guys with playing time this year.
Speaker 1: Could this could be one of those things You've said
Speaker 1: this twice now you're like, hey, this is the time
Speaker 1: to buy in on this guy. This might be the
Speaker 1: time to buy in on these guys because I think
Speaker 1: their values are lower than where you have them rank.
Speaker 1: Kyle Manzardo and Kobe Mayo two great young bats to
Speaker 1: bet on. Manzarto with a bigger name out here in
Speaker 1: the AFL, Kobe Mayo with one of the sneaky and
Speaker 1: that's not even sneaky but unless you like really pay
Speaker 1: attention to it, just insanely good season across the board.
Speaker 1: Talk to me about valuing these guys right outside the
Speaker 1: top one hundred and fitting them on more win now teams.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think this is a really good
Speaker 3: season to trade for Kobe Mayo specifically of those two,
Speaker 3: because he doesn't have the clear path to playing time
Speaker 3: like Kyle Manzardo. So whoever has Kobe Mayo in Dynasty
Speaker 3: right now, I'm sure they love his bat and they're
Speaker 3: they're high on him and everything, but they don't know
Speaker 3: exactly what type of production they're getting from him in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. So I think buying Kobe Mayo before
Speaker 3: there's like a clear spot for him. I mean, I
Speaker 3: am very confident that Baltimore will be sniffing around consolidation trades.
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean they'll be able to find one, Like
Speaker 3: they're not going to just give Ryan Mountcastle away, but
Speaker 3: like I think they would love to trade, you know,
Speaker 3: a Ramon Urius along with like a Ryan Mountcastle for
Speaker 3: a starting pitcher or something like that, maybe just a reliever.
Speaker 3: And if a move like that happens and then the
Speaker 3: pieces start kind of moving around and then you clearly
Speaker 3: see this is how Kobe Meo fits in, then I
Speaker 3: think it'll be harder to trade for him. And really,
Speaker 3: if you kind of look at just all the minor
Speaker 3: leagues last year of hitters that spent the whole year
Speaker 3: kind of in the upper the miners, Kobe Mayo's production
Speaker 3: and just kind of dominance is up there with anyone's.
Speaker 3: You know Whyite Langford probably more on like a per
Speaker 3: game basis, but he got you know, he wasn't there
Speaker 3: the whole season like Kobe Mayo was. Manzarto had that
Speaker 3: type of year a year ago and then obviously had.
Speaker 2: Just you know it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to say like last season. But I
Speaker 3: do think you can throw out a lot of what
Speaker 3: he was doing with Tampa Bay before the trade. Obviously
Speaker 3: was was solid in the AFL, was really solid in
Speaker 3: the miners after that trade. And the main question I
Speaker 3: guess for me with Manzarto is are the Guardians gonna
Speaker 3: be okay playing him against lefties right away? You know,
Speaker 3: they do have like someone like gabrielle Arius maybe that
Speaker 3: they could give playing time to at first base against lefties,
Speaker 3: but I think Josh Naylor plays every day. I think
Speaker 3: Manzarto makes the team out of spring training as someone
Speaker 3: who's going to be playing against right handed pitchers at least,
Speaker 3: so Manzaro probably helps you more in the short term.
Speaker 3: But I love the idea of trying to acquire Kobe
Speaker 3: Mayo this season.
Speaker 1: I do two and if if you're an already established team, like,
Speaker 1: how do you think you go about like fitting Kobe Mayo?
Speaker 1: Because Mayo is not going to be cheap, nor would Manzarto,
Speaker 1: Like I think from a drafting perspective, this might be
Speaker 1: just an easier question. Older guys fall if you're starting
Speaker 1: a new dynasty, Kobe Mayo should be someone when you
Speaker 1: get to the and Manzarto. When you get to the
Speaker 1: one hundred one fifty range, your site should be set
Speaker 1: on Kobe Mayo that high of an investment. Okay, how
Speaker 1: do you make that work if you want to win Now? Well, again,
Speaker 1: there's just these old dudes that are going to be
Speaker 1: falling the You know JD. Martinez and I know he's
Speaker 1: not for space, but Jad's Martinez is of the world.
Speaker 1: They're going to fall quite a bit in drafts, as
Speaker 1: are a litany of other solid guys. But if you
Speaker 1: are a competing team right now, like, what what do
Speaker 1: you think the asset give up? If you're in a
Speaker 1: trade for Kobe Mayo? Looks like without compromising a win
Speaker 1: Now team, because I could ask you, like, what would
Speaker 1: you trade Hassan Kim for Kobe Mayo and or Bryson
Speaker 1: Stop for Kobe Mayo if you're in win Now. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think you can do that, but I mean
Speaker 1: you tell me otherwise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I don't think.
Speaker 3: I don't think the win Now team is trading Kim
Speaker 3: or Stott for Mayo. I think if you're the rebuilding team, if.
Speaker 2: You like, if you.
Speaker 3: Have Stott or you have Kim and you're you're looking
Speaker 3: at your roster and you just don't really see a
Speaker 3: viable path to you competing in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Then I think that trade starts to make some sense.
Speaker 2: You know, like if if you.
Speaker 3: Have, say, like a Nick Castellanos or like an Anthony Santander,
Speaker 3: like a player like that, maybe that's the type of player,
Speaker 3: uh that you trade for for Kobe Mayo or trying
Speaker 3: to trade for Kobe Mayo because those players are closer
Speaker 3: to kind of aging out of their prime, whereas Kim
Speaker 3: and Stott, I think you still have another four years
Speaker 3: of their prime.
Speaker 1: I feel like Castillanos might be able to like get
Speaker 1: that done. That might be something that's able to get
Speaker 1: it done. But you know, you could start looking at
Speaker 1: like here's another I'm just throwing this out here, Like
Speaker 1: what about like Andrew Vaughan. He hasn't cashed out of
Speaker 1: his time period, but maybe we really know who he is.
Speaker 1: It's like, even if your win now, you think you're
Speaker 1: losing too much with whatever replacement you could get, if
Speaker 1: you move to Vaughan to get Mayo.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I would take Mayo for Vaughn kind
Speaker 3: of regardless of my team situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's whar I's getting out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you're he's just not he's not hurting you
Speaker 3: enough in the short term.
Speaker 1: But he's like twenty six, and people might still keep
Speaker 1: looking at that and be like, Okay, maybe that's something
Speaker 1: that I can Maybe there's something else that I want
Speaker 1: to do. Speaking of prospects, what other prospects are you
Speaker 1: considering in this one hundred to two hundred You can
Speaker 1: open up to two fifty range. Obviously there's a lot,
Speaker 1: but targh prospects that make sense to you in your mind.
Speaker 1: One hundred to two hundred ish reigns kind of think like,
Speaker 1: I think if you're rebuilding, all prospects should be in
Speaker 1: mind here. But if you're kind of like either in
Speaker 1: a middle window or you're in the competing like, what
Speaker 1: prospects are you looking at to invest in in dynasty?
Speaker 3: Sure, I'll give you a give you a hitter and
Speaker 3: a pitcher, and they both have reached the big leagues,
Speaker 3: So I think that there are guys that could help
Speaker 3: you this upcoming season, but also long term for a hitter.
Speaker 3: Parker Meadows, I think is a great name to go
Speaker 3: after both short term long term. I think he's what
Speaker 3: he showed last year kind of more than anything. To
Speaker 3: me was just I think he's clearly their center fielder
Speaker 3: of the future, just based on how solid his defense
Speaker 3: was in the big leagues.
Speaker 2: You know, he's got speed, he's got.
Speaker 3: A really good arm, he doesn't have pronounced splits, so
Speaker 3: I think Arka Metos could be the Tigers leadoff hitter
Speaker 3: all season. And you know he likes to steal bases.
Speaker 3: I think he's a decent bet to steal twenty plus
Speaker 3: bases as a rookie power. You know, k America is
Speaker 3: not a good place to try to hit for power.
Speaker 3: I think that'll affect Meadows to the point where maybe
Speaker 3: he's kind of like a fifteen to twenty homer guy.
Speaker 3: But he's six foot five. He could just be kind
Speaker 3: of scratching the surface there, hits the ball hard. So
Speaker 3: there's a chance that he's just like a twenty twenty guy,
Speaker 3: maybe even better than that.
Speaker 2: And I just don't think he gets valued that way.
Speaker 3: Was never really kind of ranked in that sort of
Speaker 3: high range before he came up, and then I think
Speaker 3: he showed some promising stuff in the majors, and then
Speaker 3: on the pitch just.
Speaker 1: Want to throw in real quick hitting in front of
Speaker 1: Riley Green and Torklesen two like the run opportunities for meadows.
Speaker 1: If he is in that spot, that is where it's
Speaker 1: even more intriguing. So I like that name. Sorry pitching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then aj Smith Shawber.
Speaker 3: You know, I think it's really it's really just impressive
Speaker 3: as hell that he got up last year. That was
Speaker 3: his age twenty season, and he just dominated at in
Speaker 3: like a handful of starts at high in Double A,
Speaker 3: and then he just kind of spent the rest of
Speaker 3: his age twenty season going back and forth between Triple
Speaker 3: A and the big leagues, and the results weren't always great.
Speaker 3: But we know he's got that plus fastball mid nineties,
Speaker 3: touches ninety eight, He's touched even higher than that in
Speaker 3: the past. He's got a full repertoire four pitches. You
Speaker 3: I think that the curveball and slider flash plus last year.
Speaker 3: Still needs to work on his command and control and
Speaker 3: his sequencing and stuff. But you know, this is one
Speaker 3: of the premium teams to have a young pitcher on
Speaker 3: just if you're trying to get wins, always going to
Speaker 3: have a solid defense behind him. So I just I
Speaker 3: love the situation for Smith shawv Or. I think he's
Speaker 3: just kind of scratching the surface. Obviously anything, you know,
Speaker 3: anything can go wrong with pitching prospects, but I think
Speaker 3: he's a devalued asset right now in dynasty.
Speaker 1: I like it. We have been dismissive when we as
Speaker 1: we've worked through the top one hundred about closers and
Speaker 1: they just kind of moved down in general. So now
Speaker 1: that we're talking about this is obviously like a deeper conversation.
Speaker 1: But where do closers lie for you, especially when we
Speaker 1: are ranked outside the top one hundred, Maybe ifew fly inside,
Speaker 1: what is your dynasty valuation of what closers outside the
Speaker 1: top one hundred are on top of your mind?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think elite closers are actually underrated
Speaker 3: in dynasty leagues. They're at least they're always going to
Speaker 3: to me be underrated on any kind of like a
Speaker 3: dynasty mock draft, any kind of dynasty ranking. They're probably
Speaker 3: under ranked just in terms of what does it actually
Speaker 3: take to acquire these guys in a dynasty league in
Speaker 3: season if you're trying to win a title like Edwin Diaz,
Speaker 3: Emmanuel Classe Camilo Duvall, Devin.
Speaker 2: Williams, you know, even like Josh.
Speaker 3: Hater, I know he's getting old, but really like Edwin Diaz,
Speaker 3: class A, Camillo Daval, like maybe like David Bednar. These
Speaker 3: guys not only are they giving you thirty plus saves,
Speaker 3: but they're giving you elite ratios. They're giving you, you know,
Speaker 3: in some cases maybe like thirty to forty more strikeouts
Speaker 3: than just your kind of generic closer.
Speaker 2: And you need saves to win a dynasty league.
Speaker 3: And the best way to have reliable saves year to
Speaker 3: year is to have an elite closer. If you're able to,
Speaker 3: if you're really good at picking up you know, your
Speaker 3: advert alzolet types, or you know, maybe we're stashing yaniar
Speaker 3: Cano when Bautista went down, or if you're just good
Speaker 3: at finding saves on the cheap, then then definitely go
Speaker 3: that route. But I just you know, once we start
Speaker 3: getting into like starting pitchers, like I'm looking at this
Speaker 3: mock draft we're doing, yeah, you know, we got like
Speaker 3: Nick Ladolo, Hunter Brown, Mason Miller, guys like that going
Speaker 3: off the board and the tenth round here, while Camilla
Speaker 3: Devall's just sitting there, like, give me davall over those
Speaker 3: guys just easily.
Speaker 2: You know, you're getting better ratios from him.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's probably gonna throw more innings than Mason
Speaker 3: Miller in twenty twenty four. So, like, I just I
Speaker 3: think once you kind of get past that really kind
Speaker 3: of high end level of starting pitcher, give me the
Speaker 3: high end reliever.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the second biggest discrepancy in dynasty drafting
Speaker 1: to in season dynasty values is starting pitching. That's the
Speaker 1: second biggest discrepancy. People will push down pitching in dynasy
Speaker 1: they'll still go. I don't want to say they're not
Speaker 1: going to go, but pitchers move down to and then
Speaker 1: trading for pitching in dynasty it's tough because now you're
Speaker 1: getting back to like you know, well, no, this is
Speaker 1: the important catalyst. This is redraft values. The number one
Speaker 1: biggest discrepancy between dynasty drafting and in season closers, because
Speaker 1: like you said, we are almost at pick one point
Speaker 1: fifty and Josh Hater and Camilla daval are both still
Speaker 1: on the board. Alexis Diaz, Jordan Romano. I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of going through Paul Sewald. You took Edwin Diaz in
Speaker 1: the middle of the ninth round. That's huge. Devin Williams
Speaker 1: and Jan Durant went in the tenth round. I think
Speaker 1: you started the first closer in the ninth round. So
Speaker 1: you want to talk about discrepancy of drafting to actual value,
Speaker 1: it's closers. Now, maybe closers are easier, a little easier
Speaker 1: to trade for in Dynasty because when a team is
Speaker 1: out of it, I think one of the first things
Speaker 1: are willing to trade our closers, So you could do that.
Speaker 1: But this is the biggest discrepancy. I mean, is this
Speaker 1: mock draft we're doing, is this representative of how you
Speaker 1: would attack closers or do you think like you might
Speaker 1: even take closers a little bit early because in that
Speaker 1: draft you took Suzuki and the eighth Bratish and the
Speaker 1: seventh Bratish was a great value, Like, do you think
Speaker 1: you might even attack those closers a little bit early
Speaker 1: if you were playing this out in Dynasty.
Speaker 3: I just think I think you have to you have
Speaker 3: to let the kind of if you're doing like a
Speaker 3: startup draft, I think you just kind of let the
Speaker 3: board dictate things to some extent, like I did. I
Speaker 3: took Edwin Diaz like I kind of started. I I
Speaker 3: didn't even start a run. I took him in the
Speaker 3: ninth round. I just thought he was too good of
Speaker 3: a value to pass up there. But I like, you know,
Speaker 3: I think if this was a real startup draft, I
Speaker 3: think you would have just seen these guys go a
Speaker 3: little sooner.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 3: It's just it's not nobody's excited to take a closer
Speaker 3: and a dynasty mock draft, you know. But I just
Speaker 3: I think it's it's really nice to have one of
Speaker 3: the really elite guys.
Speaker 2: You Definitely, I don't think you want to overdo it.
Speaker 3: Like, uh, you don't want to just win saves going away,
Speaker 3: because then you're leaving value on the table just having
Speaker 3: a steady closer and then trying to find that second
Speaker 3: guy on the cheap.
Speaker 2: I think that's probably the way to go.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't really think you're going to see
Speaker 3: kind of accurate representation of closer value in a mock
Speaker 3: draft necessarily or rank once you're in the once you're
Speaker 3: in the mix. Like if there's a startup draft going
Speaker 3: and you see kind of a closer run starting, I
Speaker 3: don't really think there's anything wrong with getting in there.
Speaker 1: I also think ranks. A lot of people that rank
Speaker 1: Dynasty just closers, just get thrown towards the bottom. And
Speaker 1: to your point, I don't think it's necessarily representative of
Speaker 1: value us going into starting pitching. Here we're outside the
Speaker 1: top one hundred. I believe I saw these guys next
Speaker 1: to each other, and I wonder if they're completely different
Speaker 1: spectrums of value. And I think both of these are
Speaker 1: wildly big topics in Dynasty, especially for this year. Walker
Speaker 1: Buehler versus Cole Reagans. Cole Reagans with the absolute big
Speaker 1: breakout over to the Royals. Walker Bueller missed the entire
Speaker 1: season going to be I think he's twenty nine years old,
Speaker 1: closing into thirty. He's coming back this year. Dodgers need him,
Speaker 1: and had he not been injured, Walker Bueler would probably
Speaker 1: live in the worlds of the Tyler Glass nails and higher.
Speaker 1: So Walker Buehler versus Cole Reagan's post one hundred Dynasty ranks.
Speaker 1: What side, how do you rank and how do you value?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one because they both just have
Speaker 3: extreme durability concerns. Double Timmy John Surgery's a piece. I'll
Speaker 3: go Reagan's just because I don't think you get like,
Speaker 3: I think Reagan's is incredibly risky from a inning standpoint,
Speaker 3: but I don't think Buehler is the test case where
Speaker 3: you take a safer option. I think I'll take the
Speaker 3: guy who we saw with just electric monster stuff to
Speaker 3: close last year.
Speaker 2: And just hope that is. I hope that he stays
Speaker 2: healthy for as long as possible.
Speaker 3: But like, we haven't seen Buehler make it all the
Speaker 3: way back and get big league hitters out, and I
Speaker 3: don't even think pre injury. I don't think Buehler's stuff
Speaker 3: was as good as Reagan's stuff at the end of
Speaker 3: last year. So obviously loved the team context more with
Speaker 3: with Buehler, but you know, good home park for Reagan's.
Speaker 3: I just think he's got slightly higher ceiling based on
Speaker 3: the stuffy showed last year.
Speaker 1: Do you think the are these guys that you want
Speaker 1: to target when you get outside there, I could feel
Speaker 1: you not wanting to target Bueler. I wasn't sure if
Speaker 1: these were the guys in general.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 3: I'm really trying to, you know, I'm going after I
Speaker 3: don't mind getting a little risky, you know, like I
Speaker 3: I'll take like a tyler glass now, like I'll take
Speaker 3: like an Uri Perez if the price is right, or
Speaker 3: like to Greek scooble. You know, there's questions about his
Speaker 3: innings and stuff, but to me, Reagan's and Bueler are
Speaker 3: kind of passed some imaginary line to me in terms
Speaker 3: of just the risk profile.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna invest, you're gonna invest probably in
Speaker 1: a lot safer pitching. So then we'll put this to
Speaker 1: the test. These are guys that are that hover that
Speaker 1: top one hundred and one got there, I think due
Speaker 1: to the playoff run the other just a constant season
Speaker 1: Brandon Fought versus Tanner Biby, who I think I noticed
Speaker 1: you had in a very similar range as well. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Tanner Bibby season sub three ERA almost nine k per nine,
Speaker 1: getting to just under one hundred and fifty innings with
Speaker 1: ten wins. Brandon Fought's season didn't look quite as good though.
Speaker 1: He then went out, changed who he was, moved the mound,
Speaker 1: you know, changed the rubber, and was a playoff darling.
Speaker 1: Still a home run issue, but he looked like a
Speaker 1: completely different pitcher, especially adding in that sinker. So the
Speaker 1: question is is are these guys you want to invest
Speaker 1: in Dynasty and what side do you pick? Brandon Fought Tanner, Biby.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I love Brandon Fott, but I mean
Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta go beat Biby over FOT, just
Speaker 3: based on the like that the floor with Bibby just
Speaker 3: feels higher just he showed it kind of over a
Speaker 3: longer stretch. Apologize for the fighter jet flying over my
Speaker 3: house right now, but.
Speaker 1: I have one of those too, I have I have
Speaker 1: a military base right near me.
Speaker 2: They yeah, I mean, like so I love FOT.
Speaker 3: I think he's a like I'm buying what Like, Usually
Speaker 3: what someone does in the playoffs, like I just don't
Speaker 3: even care, like, especially if it's just like an older player.
Speaker 3: But with FOT, I think it's actually very important to
Speaker 3: look at what he did in the playoffs because you know,
Speaker 3: he's still getting his feet wet against big league hitters,
Speaker 3: and he's still kind of figuring out what works and
Speaker 3: what doesn't work. So for him to kind of find
Speaker 3: some stuff against really good offenses in that type of
Speaker 3: atmosphere just gives me so much more confidence in him
Speaker 3: heading into twenty twenty four. But I do still think
Speaker 3: just Byby, I think I think he showed enough. It's
Speaker 3: a good park.
Speaker 2: They usually have a pretty good defense behind him.
Speaker 3: So slight nod to Bibby, and you know, to that point,
Speaker 3: Bybey went in the eighth round. We're in the eleventh round.
Speaker 3: Fought still hasn't gone in this mock, so I think
Speaker 3: the market bears that out, although I do think Fought
Speaker 3: should have gone by now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and I think you just made a great
Speaker 1: point here, because I think Tanner Biby's a safe option,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned. Interestingly enough, though Brendan Fott had a
Speaker 1: lower walk per nine than Tanner Biby did. But Tanner Biby,
Speaker 1: I think he can eat innings. It's a good strikeout option.
Speaker 1: Multi pitch is gonna pick up wins, can go deep
Speaker 1: into games. But I don't think the market, like you said,
Speaker 1: has caught up to Brandon Fought, which makes him a
Speaker 1: very fascinating target. I like both of these guys for
Speaker 1: Dynasty Post one hundred targets for your sps. All right,
Speaker 1: a couple of our kind of quick hitterish ones. This one,
Speaker 1: I guess isn't as quick hit, but you don't have
Speaker 1: to go nuts with it, do we still want them? Addition,
Speaker 1: do we still want Dylan ce So you don't have
Speaker 1: to go nuts with the answers here, But do you
Speaker 1: still want Dylan Ceaeson Dynasty?
Speaker 2: Uh? I'm worried. I'm worried about the Walks.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't think you trade Dylan Cees this offseason. I
Speaker 3: think you kind of just try to ride it out
Speaker 3: and hope for the best.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It just that that whole White Sox situation, it just
Speaker 3: seems like such a tire fire. Like I I'm worried
Speaker 3: about most of their players, but I I just think
Speaker 3: his value is too low right now to trade him
Speaker 3: in Dynasty. But I'm still worried.
Speaker 1: Do you still want Willie Adamas?
Speaker 2: Yes? I think he's a great BiLaw great bylow.
Speaker 1: You think the average bounces back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you if you have your expectations in check,
Speaker 3: Like just you kind of look at what he was
Speaker 3: expected to do last year, and I think that's basically
Speaker 3: what he'll do this up coming year. Although you don't
Speaker 3: know like whether the Brewers might pivot to like a
Speaker 3: full on rebuild at some point, so, like, you know,
Speaker 3: his his RBI and runs scored totals from like twenty
Speaker 3: twenty two, that might be kind of a high water mark.
Speaker 3: I don't think we get back there.
Speaker 2: But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he was just unlucky with the batting
Speaker 3: average by far the lowest babbup of his career. Last
Speaker 3: year he was He was in a pretty big slump
Speaker 3: throughout the summer and I think it started getting into
Speaker 3: his head a little bit. But I think he showed
Speaker 3: some strong flashes towards the end of the year. And
Speaker 3: he's just an elite shortstop, so I don't see him
Speaker 3: coming out of the lineup. He wasn't bad enough last
Speaker 3: year for them to even consider something like that, So
Speaker 3: I just I think he is just going to be
Speaker 3: the exact guy that you know he's generally been from
Speaker 3: twenty twenty through twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So great bylow.
Speaker 1: Do we still want Eloy Jimenez?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I I elo is the type of guy where I
Speaker 3: would trade him, Like as soon as I felt like
Speaker 3: someone was actually legitimately interested in trading for him, I
Speaker 3: would try to find a fit with that manager. I
Speaker 3: just think, you know, what are you projecting in terms
Speaker 3: of games played with the guy like that and he's
Speaker 3: ut only now, Like I would everything I'm saying about Elo,
Speaker 3: I would say about Byron Buxton too. Once they get
Speaker 3: to ut only, it just gets really tough because you
Speaker 3: just you can't count on them at all, Like you
Speaker 3: can't you can set your line up on Monday, and
Speaker 3: you can't complain when Wednesday comes in, they're out for.
Speaker 2: The rest of the week. You know.
Speaker 3: I just don't get a sense from Eloi, especially that
Speaker 3: he puts any time in in terms of the off season,
Speaker 3: with his conditioning, with his skill development, with anything like that,
Speaker 3: like he might have peaked as a baseball player at
Speaker 3: like age twenty two, twenty three.
Speaker 2: Like I just I think he's he's just kind of
Speaker 2: a shell of himself.
Speaker 1: If you had if you had to pick one, by
Speaker 1: the way, Eloyo or Buxton.
Speaker 2: Ela.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh my god, last one of this. Do we
Speaker 1: still want Carlos Korea?
Speaker 2: M I mean, I've I've never really been a Korea guy.
Speaker 2: I don't want him.
Speaker 3: No, you're not getting you know, having a shortstop where
Speaker 3: you're not getting any speed, Like they better be bringing
Speaker 3: it somewhere else, Like there better be a chance for
Speaker 3: thirty homers. There better be a chance for like a
Speaker 3: high batting average, like you know, I just don't think
Speaker 3: you're getting enough upside with Korea to deal with the fact.
Speaker 3: And you know, he had a planner fasciitis, like all
Speaker 3: your last year his contract fell through with the That's
Speaker 3: like there's just a lot a lot of red flags
Speaker 3: from a durability standpoint, and I just don't think the
Speaker 3: ceiling is high enough when he's fully healthy and going
Speaker 3: right to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Always been overrated, all right, last two These are the
Speaker 1: quick hitters. Your favorite non old guy Deep Target Edition
Speaker 1: Deep Dynasty targets, not super old guy addition here anywhere,
Speaker 1: you know, post one fifty, post two hundred, just just
Speaker 1: a couple of names you might.
Speaker 3: Have favorite Deep targets. You know, I love Jordan Westberg
Speaker 3: and zach Neto. They're not older guys, but just they
Speaker 3: stand out to me as guys that I want and
Speaker 3: in every Dynasty league if I can get them kind
Speaker 3: of similar reasons.
Speaker 2: They're just really really good players.
Speaker 3: Zach Netto, I think is a really nice breakout candidate
Speaker 3: this year. He's going to play a ton He's gonna
Speaker 3: play every day. Obviously, he's gonna steal bases, He's gonna
Speaker 3: hit for power. Westburg just love the middle endfield, corner
Speaker 3: endfield combination. You know, I think the park is going
Speaker 3: to cap Westburg's power to a certain extent, but he's
Speaker 3: gonna hit for a high average, he's gonna have a
Speaker 3: high OVP. He's gonna steal ten to twelve bases. So
Speaker 3: just just really like his situation. And then just one
Speaker 3: one older guy, uh for you. I think John Means
Speaker 3: is a little interesting. He got you know, I'm a
Speaker 3: little worried that they kind of shut him down after
Speaker 3: he came back, but I think they were just being
Speaker 3: overly careful with him. Baltimore has one of the better
Speaker 3: team contexts in the game. Like they're gonna be threatening
Speaker 3: for one hundred wins every year, They've got a great
Speaker 3: home park. You're throwing to Adley Ritchman. I just I
Speaker 3: thought John Means looked better than his numbers looked last year,
Speaker 3: Like he didn't strike a ton of guys out. But
Speaker 3: I actually thought he looked really good when he came back.
Speaker 3: And you can probably ge him pretty cheap.
Speaker 1: There you go, James Anderson Dynasty. There's so much to it.
Speaker 1: It's crazy with values and players and you know, you
Speaker 1: really you will get to an hour podcast on the
Speaker 1: like groups of ten. You really could real j R.
Speaker 1: Anderson on Twitter at road a Wire. What do you
Speaker 1: got to plug? What's going down here in the near
Speaker 1: future as far as Dynasty content, you're always plugging out
Speaker 1: the podcast. You've got the articles, You've got ranks. The
Speaker 1: road a Wire ranks are totally invaluable, so you should
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're just working on getting everything ready for the
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four season. I'm writing outlooks on prospects every day.
Speaker 3: Those will go live on the site fairly soon. Got
Speaker 3: the Dynasty ranks, got the prospect ranks, have a ton
Speaker 3: of first year player draft content coming in January, and
Speaker 3: then my big prospect rankings update for the off season
Speaker 3: will be right after the international guys sign in mid January.
Speaker 2: So just sign up for Road a Wire and on
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