1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: It is September seventeenth. I'm Steve Schmidt. This is the warning, 2 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: and I am thrilled today to be joined by Aaron 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 1: Parness of the Parness perspective. I think that one of 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the things we can all appreciate in this moment is 5 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: that as this fascist curtain is descending on America, that 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: correspondingly is the destruction of the media that for fifty 7 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: years time the American people respected, the American people trusted, 8 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and the American media appreciated that when it celebrated itself, 9 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 1: that it delivered the goods. The newsrooms were filled supposedly 10 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: with people who would not bend, would not bow, would 11 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: not capitulate. During my career, I've run at the highest 12 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: levels a couple presidential campaigns. I've been in every newsroom 13 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:13,759 Speaker 1: you can think of. I've argued, cajoled, and debated with 14 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: every editor at every news organization. The truth of the 15 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: matter is I had a lot of respect for those 16 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: people until I didn't, And on any given day it's 17 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: hard for me to contain my contempt for their cowardice 18 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 1: and their capitulance. And I think it's really important to 19 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: appreciate the exchange yesterday that took place between Donald Trump 20 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: and Jonathan carl of ABC News when Donald Trump looks 21 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: at him dead in the eye and he says, well, 22 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: your network engaged in hate speech against me, and they 23 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: paid me tens of millions of dollars. And anybody who 24 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: thinks that Donald Trump doesn't hold the high ground in 25 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: that debate, that Donald Trump isn't scoring points in that 26 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: should pull their head out of their ass. These networks 27 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 1: made corrupt bargains with the devil, and the result of 28 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: it is the American people in a time of crisis, 29 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: can't tell what's real, can't tell what's not, can't tell 30 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: what's up, can't tell what's down, can't tell what's left 31 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: from right and right from left because of the failure 32 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: of corporate media. But the First Amendment did not create 33 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: NBC News Right and NBC News and it's collapse as 34 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: a vessel of integrity or CBS or ABC does not 35 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: eradicate the First Amendment. What the First Amendment creates is 36 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: the ability for people in this country to say what 37 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: they will, to believe what they want, and for the 38 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: press to report what's happening. And so one of the 39 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: people that does that and does it better than anybody 40 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: else out there. A one man news network who you 41 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: can trust, you can believe in, is Aaron Parnis. Is 42 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: somebody that I watch, that I pay attention to. He 43 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: is a go to news source and you can trust him. Aaron, welcome, 44 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: Thanks you for having me. Super excited to be here 45 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 1: and listen. I agree with a lot of what you said. 46 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 2: I really think that the news media, the industry as 47 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: we know it, is really not just dying but really changing. 48 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,920 Speaker 2: I think that the First Amendment is under attack in 49 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: ways we've never seen before. And I mean the truth 50 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 2: is so important in this day and agent. Right now, 51 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 2: I don't know who to trust either in a lot 52 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: of ways. So it's a very scary time. 53 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff to talk about. How do 54 00:03:56,480 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: you sort through what's happening in say this is one 55 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: two three four today? 56 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think so, I mean it's not 57 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 2: even one two three four. I end up posting many 58 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: are from twenty to thirty times a day most days. 59 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: It really is a lot. I think for me, where 60 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: I go directly, as I go directly to the primary source. 61 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: In this day and age, there's so much information out 62 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: there that when media reports on say something that Donald 63 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: Trump says, it's often skewed in certain ways, whether it's 64 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 2: the right to the left. I mean, there's so much 65 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: bias out there, And so I go directly to the source. 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 2: I go directly to the person who makes the statement, 67 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 2: the bill that's introduced, and that's where I go to 68 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 2: get all my information to then figure out, Okay, well 69 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: let's see how we can report this to make sure 70 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: it's factual, accurate. And and folks know because right now, 71 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 2: what I've seen, at least is that the so called mainstream, 72 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 2: the Times, the Posts, all these great organizations that people 73 00:04:56,320 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: rely on for many years, well they're scared. They're scared 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 2: in the reporting right. The way they frame stories isn't 75 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: fully accurate anymore. Even if the details are there, the 76 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: framing isn't isn't isn't right. And so I go directly 77 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: to the source. Every single time. 78 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: I'm watching CNN last week and John Berman, the anchor, 79 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:23,279 Speaker 1: is on a with a Democratic congressman. And the congressman 80 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't recall his name, but he was a former prosecutor. 81 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: He's very measured. Do you know his name? 82 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: Dateman from California's forty seventh. 83 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: Okay, And I don't think the congressman was necessarily there 84 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: to talk about the Epstein case. I think he got 85 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: lassoed and dragged across the street. But what John Berman says, right, 86 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: it's incredible. He goes, well, there's no reason to be 87 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: suspicious that that Donald Trump did anything untoured with with 88 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. And you know, if i'm if, I'm if 89 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there right and you say, well, there's no 90 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: reason right to say that Donald Trump has been implicated 91 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: criminally in this, right. I mean, that's a true statement, 92 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,239 Speaker 1: you know, so far as I know. But any reason 93 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: that he should be suspicious, you know, for example, the 94 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: birthday card that he denies. Right there there you go. 95 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: But like when you see something like that, and you 96 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 1: you see like the terror in a in a John 97 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: Berman's eyes going out of his way to try to 98 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: explicate Donald Donald Trump. Yeah, well, well how do you 99 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: process that? 100 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 2: It's concerning. So I was an attorney before I even 101 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 2: did this work. And as an attorney, whether you're on 102 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: whether you're on the defense side or the plaintiff's prosecution spense, 103 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. You're always taught never to start at 104 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: the conclusion and then work your way back. You're taught 105 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 2: to start with the evidence and go piece by piece 106 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: and work your way to a conclusion. When prosecutors are 107 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: investigating in crime, they're not supposed to start with a 108 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: suspect and then try to piece evidence in to make 109 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: that suspect guilty. It's wherever the evidence leads them. And 110 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: what the media is doing right now is what they 111 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: shouldn't be is what lawyers shouldn't do, when what media 112 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: shouldn't do is they're starting with this theory Donald Trump 113 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 2: is not implicated, and they're kind of forcing everything into 114 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: that theory. Why because they're scared of what Trump's response 115 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 2: is to them. What they should be doing is saying, well, listen, 116 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: you're right, Donald Trump is not implicated criminally, he never has, 117 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 2: but he may never will be. But there is a 118 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: lot of evidence to suggest that he is somewhat connected 119 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: to Epstein. Right, he has the birthday book letter. Potentially 120 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: he has his name in the files. Bloomberg's reported that 121 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: the FBI has been instructed to redact his name from 122 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: a number of files. He was at Marra a Lago 123 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 2: with Epstein. He himself acknowledges a personal relationship with Epstein. 124 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: There is smoke, we should be asking questions to see 125 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: whether that smoke leads to fire. We shouldn't just put 126 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: out that fire because we may be scared of what 127 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 2: the President is going to do. 128 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: Now. So that builds to what cash Battel says yesterday, 129 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: And what cash Battel says yesterday is that there's no 130 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: evidence whatsoever did Jeffrey Epstein trafficked any of these young 131 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: girls to other men. And we know that's not true, right. 132 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: I mean, for based on what the survivors have said, 133 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: that's not true. Right. The survivors themselves have said that 134 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: there is more than just Jeffrey Epstein involved in this, 135 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 2: and so we know that not to be true. But 136 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: I mean, ultimately it's a bit of a confusing situation. 137 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 2: And that did Jeffrey Epstein himself traffic women to other 138 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,200 Speaker 2: high net worth powerful individuals? I don't know, did other 139 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: high net worth powerful individuals conceal what Epstein was doing? No, 140 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: what Epstein was doing worked in this kind of scheme, yes, 141 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: And so the wording that they're using is so it's 142 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: so I mean legal ease in a way, like they 143 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: know what they're they're doing to try to like weasel 144 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: them their way out of it. That's what Cash Footel 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 2: is doing. 146 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: In my opinion, Why is Cash fatal trying to expocate 147 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein from trafficking these girls to other women? 148 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know. I mean, truthfully, here's 149 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 2: the thing, Like, at this point, Epstein is not on trial, 150 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: right like, he's not he's he's dead. There's no prejudice 151 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 2: in Pash Fatel just coming out and saying the truth 152 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 2: here And ultimately that's why I think that the files 153 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 2: just need to be released at this point. Let the 154 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 2: public decide what Jeffrey Epstein did or didn't do. And 155 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 2: if you're worried. And here's the thing, it's actually funny. 156 00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: One of the biggest worries that the Department of Justice 157 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 2: has been saying for a long time for why they 158 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 2: haven't released the files is because they say it'll implicate 159 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 2: other people who have never been criminally charged. But now 160 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 2: Cash Battella is saying that there aren't other people, and 161 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: so that undercuts their original argument of why they weren't 162 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: releasing the files in the first place. So I did 163 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 2: there are other people that could potentially be criminally charged 164 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 2: because there's some type of connection and therefore we shouldn't 165 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 2: release the files so that we can continue investigating them 166 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: and potentially prosecute them. Or there aren't these other people 167 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: and therefore they're not releasing the files because they just 168 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 2: don't want egg on their face. In terms of Trump 169 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: being in them, I don't know. 170 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: How do you process that contradiction as you're as you're 171 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: doing that, how do you how do you hear it? Right? So, 172 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: as as you're going along in your in your day, 173 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: you're an attorney, you're a journalist, you're you're you're posting 174 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: twenty times a day, does that immediately send a flare 175 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: up for you that that is a that's just a 176 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: major contradiction. Is that just par for the course? Does 177 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: that register to you? Is just well, that's one of 178 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 1: the you know, one hundred different contradictions that have happened 179 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: today because you know they lie all the time. How 180 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: does that How does that trigger for you? Yeah? 181 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 2: I mean I think it's more the latter than is 182 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: the former. But I will say with one caveat in this, 183 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 2: in the Epsteine situation, I have spoken to so many 184 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: of the victims several of the victims already. I've interviewed 185 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: many of them, and every time I speak to them, 186 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 2: their stories line up. I mean, these are these are 187 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 2: They're not making this up. And it's not one story 188 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: that's different from another. Every single story is almost the same. 189 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: It's the same pattern of behavior, and it's the same 190 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: kind of influence and control of wealthy and powerful people 191 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: connected to Epstein. And so this kind of lie from 192 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: the administration is very different from their other lies because 193 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 2: there is this nefarious aspect of it that they're trying 194 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 2: to conceal or at least push down the stories of 195 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 2: these survivors. And these survivors deserve to know the truth. 196 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 2: They deserve to know everything that happened regarding Epstein, Maxwell 197 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: and anyone else connected to them, and it really seems 198 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 2: like this administration doesn't want that ever to happen. 199 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: There was a Air Force test pilot named John Boyd, 200 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: and amongst the things that John Boyd did in his careers, 201 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: he was assigned after the Korean War to assess air 202 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: combat decision making because casualties were deemed high, to see 203 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: if there was a decision making matrix that could be 204 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: applied to make the American pilots faster. And what John 205 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: Boyd came up with is something called the DA loop 206 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 1: and stands for observe, orient decide Act. You think about 207 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: it as a circle and the notion is and this 208 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: has expanded to business schools and really the DA loop 209 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: can apply to any competitive situation. And there is no 210 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: exceptions to the oodle loop. You have the fastest oodle loop, 211 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: you win, right, you can you can get through something 212 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: where you observe, orient to it, decide what it is 213 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: in an act. And it's something I've talked a lot 214 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: about over my political career and campaigns. We want to 215 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: have a fast oodle loop. And I view you as 216 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: someone who is a very fast oodle loop in terms 217 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: of your journalism, being able to look at something, orient 218 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: to it, decide what it is, and act. And so 219 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about this last 220 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: week in the in the United in the United States, 221 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: and one of the things is that I try to 222 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: put things into a historical perspective. And you don't ever 223 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: want to loosely say that you know with a superlative 224 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 1: that this moment is the worst right, or it is 225 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: the greatest crisis, or the most dangerous rhetoric like right 226 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: now today because because it's usually not, today's an important 227 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: day in the history of this country. September seventeenth, it's 228 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: one of the bloodiest days in American history. Today is 229 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: the Battle of Antietam anniversary. For those who are Civil 230 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: War fetishists and would like to see a second American 231 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: Civil War, look at some of the pictures from the 232 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: battlefield of Antietam. But what happened in America in this 233 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: in this last week. And I don't mean about the assassination, 234 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean in the reaction to the assassination by the 235 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 1: leaders of the of the American government. What did you say? 236 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? And I've actually told this to a lot of people. 237 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 2: I really felt as though this past week is and 238 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: has been a real turning point in the past decade 239 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: of politics of just American society in ways that we've 240 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 2: never seen before. I don't think it was ever this 241 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 2: bad when Trump was almost assassinated last year. That wasn't 242 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: that didn't feel like what this past week really felt like. 243 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: And to me, it all boils down to a root 244 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: cause that's been evident in our politics for a very 245 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: long time. It's the political politicization of non political tragedies. 246 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: And I say non political, not in the sense that 247 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 2: Kirk wasn't political. He was political, and the shooting likely 248 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: had something to do with politics. But a non political 249 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 2: tragedy is gun violence. A non political tragedy is an 250 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 2: aircraft crash, terrorists, terrorism attack, things like that, where in 251 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: this day and age, we immediately weaponize and it's not 252 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: just on the right. Both parties do this, immediately weaponize 253 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: non political events and try to politicize them. Right when 254 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 2: a plane crashes in Washington, d C. The first thing 255 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: the right did was blame DEI. When Charlie Kirk is shot, 256 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 2: before we even knew what the motive was, whether it 257 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: was a political attack or not, the right was saying 258 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 2: that it was the left fault. The left was saying 259 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 2: that it was a far right guy immediately, and that 260 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: is a problem because we don't know right and we still, 261 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 2: I mean truthfully, to this day, we still don't know 262 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 2: why Charlie Kirk was shot, the motive behind it. The 263 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: evidence that was released from the Utah County Attorney's Office 264 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 2: yesterday really didn't give us a ton more that we 265 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 2: hadn't already known. And so we got into a point 266 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: in American society, where I think that the politicization of 267 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: these tragedies has become so bad that I don't know 268 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 2: how we recover from it. And I in this past week, 269 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: really it was really different in a lot of ways 270 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: and ways that I've never felt before. 271 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: I have a very specific reaction to this, and I 272 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: think one of the things that I've tried to say 273 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: is that no man, no woman can be held responsible 274 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: after their existence ends for how living people react to 275 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,159 Speaker 1: their death. And so for me, you know, Charlie Kirk 276 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: in his thirty one years is one of the great 277 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 1: tragedies of this is that when you get a little 278 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: older and you have perspective, I think from midlife looking back, 279 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: you know, thirty one years of age, Charlie Kirk had 280 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: a lot of road in front of him to come 281 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: to different perspectives in life. And from my perspective, maybe 282 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: he would have grown up from some of the things 283 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: he did, he believed and he said. But whatever my 284 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: thought about that, it is all etched in granite now 285 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: and there is no next day for Charlie Kirk. And 286 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 1: that's a terrible tragedy and one that I lament. There 287 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: is the act of violence. I was on a podcast 288 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: and a friend emailed the clip, and I thought when 289 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: I was opening it that I was going to see 290 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: him say something offensive, uh not be murdered, And I 291 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: deplore that and have with every fiber of my being. 292 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 1: But in the response in the aftermath, what I saw 293 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: was the attempt by MAGA to turn Charlie Kirk into 294 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: horse Vessel, the first martyr of the cause. I saw 295 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:54,480 Speaker 1: highly choreographed videography and photography of an open casket and 296 00:18:54,600 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 1: fundraising pitches, which I think is sick, but that's my opinion. 297 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: But what I also saw was and I don't think 298 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,959 Speaker 1: this has ever happened in the United States, and I 299 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,159 Speaker 1: want you to level set this for me from a 300 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: journalism perspective. If I understood the government position, it was 301 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: that if you don't love Trump enough, if you dissent, 302 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: then you're a co conspirator in the murder of Charlie Kirk, 303 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: and the government's coming after you with everything that it has. 304 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: Vice President said that Stephen Miller said that in one 305 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's closest confidants, Laura Lumer, called for mass murder, 306 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: mass executions for those who de sent against Donald Trump. 307 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: Is there any exaggeration in my assessment of that, in 308 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: your in your view of how of how I orient 309 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: towards that, because that's what I heard. 310 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's what I That's what I heard too. 311 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 2: Truth be told. But what I I will say, with 312 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: the one caveat, I do think there's some exaggeration because 313 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: I think that what Trump and co. Are doing in 314 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: the aftermath of Kirk shooting is they have to do 315 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 2: this publicly for their base, to consolidate MAGA, to consolidate 316 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: Republicans around one kind of idea. They have to go 317 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: out and say this was the left. They have to 318 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 2: go out and say. 319 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: Let me, let me chat, let me chat, let me 320 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 1: challenge because I think you're doing political analysis now. I mean, 321 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: they don't have to do anything, sure, right, they could 322 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: have de escalated the situation. I mean, the greatest political 323 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: speech extemporaneously in American history was delivered by Robert Kennedy, 324 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: and it came in Indianapolis after the assassination of Martin 325 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: Luther King. You said to give a political speech all 326 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: black crowd, delivered from the back of a pickup truck. 327 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: Told the crowd that Martin Luther King had been murdered 328 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 1: and talked about we need more love in America, talked 329 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: about one of the things, talked about his brother's assassination, said, 330 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: a white man killed my brother. So I so the 331 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: political motive of it. But they don't have to do that. 332 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: But they are doing it. 333 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: They are doing it, and they're doing it because that's 334 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: all they know. In a way, they're doing it to 335 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 2: consolidate this movement behind them. I mean, I will say 336 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 2: it's interesting that they they're doing it. And then at 337 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 2: the same time, the Deputy Attorney General Blanche he can't 338 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 2: name which left leading organizations are actually going after. Right, 339 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: if they were ready to go after all these organizations 340 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 2: and these left leading personalities, presumably they would have at 341 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: least one name. Donald Trump was asked about even Antifa, 342 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 2: whether or not he'd labeled them a domestic terrorist organization, 343 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: and he kind of punted on the issue and said, 344 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,479 Speaker 2: I kind of want to, but I don't know. It 345 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 2: wasn't it's your answer. And it really seems like a 346 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: lot of rhetoric and not a lot of action, which 347 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: is me kind of emblematic of what the Trump presidency is. 348 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 2: Over the past nine months, he has actually hasn't done 349 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 2: a ton as president. He hasn't been able to outside 350 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 2: of his executive orders, which are not law. Right, he 351 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,439 Speaker 2: can sign as many executive orders as he wants, but 352 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: they're not law. He's passed one piece of real legislation, 353 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 2: and the bypart is not The bypart is in the 354 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 2: budget bill earlier this year, the big beautiful bill. 355 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 1: That's it. 356 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: Outside of that, he hasn't done a ton. It's a 357 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 2: lot of rhetoric and not a lot of action. And 358 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 2: I see the same thing happening here, honestly. 359 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: So I think that this is a really fair point. 360 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: But I'll be honest, it scares the shit out of me. 361 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: And here's why. Right, if we were on the edge 362 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: of a lake and there was thin ice on that 363 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: lake in the winter, I would not step out on 364 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: the ice anywhere on the lake. Right. What you're saying 365 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,640 Speaker 1: is and no disrespect on you're like, there is thin 366 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: ice on the lake, right, But you can walk out 367 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: on the lake here, right. The thing ice is out 368 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: there somewhere, right. And is the question of he means 369 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: it or he doesn't mean it, And he's saying it 370 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: because he's producing a television show. But for me, you 371 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: just raise something that I think is the greatest journalism 372 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 1: failure of the last ten years. Do you do you 373 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: think this is a fair statement what I'm about to say. 374 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: There's not a single interview that I'm aware of that 375 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,720 Speaker 1: would close the gap between what we're talking about here, 376 00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: right between what he says and his intentions. There's not 377 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: a single interview that anyone has done in ten years 378 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: time that probes Donald Trump at a deep philosophical level. Agree, 379 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: not one, not one right, not one that would say, well, 380 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,200 Speaker 1: but if you if you could hang one of your 381 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: political opponents, would you would you like to r Do 382 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: you believe in that? And this is important in this 383 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: country because you know, when George Washington rode into New 384 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: York City at the end of the American Revolution, one 385 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: of his first stops was out the loyalist presses who 386 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: defamed him constantly and his wife, which pissed him off. 387 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: And you know what he did. He posted guards outside 388 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: the presses so the patriots wouldn't burn them down, because 389 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: he understood the importance of the free media to a 390 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: free society. Yeah, it is appalling. I'm with you, do 391 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: you think just looking ahead? And I know we got 392 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: to wrap it up here in the next couple of minutes. 393 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: What's going to happen at this memorial service? What are 394 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: you picking up from MAGA, What is the plan for this, 395 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: and what is the message that you anticipate that the 396 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: country will hear, because it's it's not going to be 397 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: a unifying one. 398 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 2: Do they have it's this weekend, right. 399 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: It's the twentieth. 400 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not going to be a unifying one. Actually, 401 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, I think that any action 402 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: from this administration or anything like they're they're waiting until 403 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 2: after the memorial to do anything, kind of like you 404 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: know how they mourn political leaders in other countries. They 405 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: wait for this big state funeral and then they go 406 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: after whatever they have their response afterwards, And I feel 407 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: like that's what's happening here. I'm actually worried about the 408 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 2: rhetoric that's going to come from this funeral. I think 409 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: truth be told. I don't think any media company should 410 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: be covering the funeral because I don't think that they 411 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: didn't cover the funeral of like other leaders who passed away. 412 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 2: Whether I don't remember the coverage about Melissa Portman's funeral, 413 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: but I can tell you it was nothing close to this. 414 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: Not only are they gonna, well, I was gonna. I 415 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: mean we have an NFL Sunday, I guess the twenty. 416 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: I mean, they'll cover it like it's a presidential funeral. 417 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,359 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that maga. Do you 418 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,719 Speaker 1: think that maga white House officials or threatening networks or 419 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,360 Speaker 1: have any information that you best cover this or there'll 420 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: be consequences. 421 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,199 Speaker 2: I don't think explicitly, but I think him suing The 422 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: New York Times this week is in a very implicit 423 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 2: threat to any major major media organization. His lawsuits are 424 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 2: the threats. I think that if none of them cover it, 425 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 2: I think, though, I think they'll get a truth social 426 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: posts and potentially a lawsuit for sure. 427 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Why aren't you afraid? 428 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: I am afraid. Of course I'm afraid. I'd be lying 429 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 2: to you effects that I wasn't afraid. But to me, 430 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: the truth and fighting for the truth is more important 431 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: than one fear. And so it's just and I know 432 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: that with all the hate and vitriol and silencing coming 433 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: from the White House on the other side right now, 434 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:16,160 Speaker 2: there's a whole host of folks opposite to the White 435 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: House who are ready to fight back if they try 436 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 2: to make an example out of me or any of us. 437 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: What are you afraid they would do? Do you? 438 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 2: I think for me, my biggest fear, honestly from as 439 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 2: a lawyers is a lawsuit. I mean you can bankrupt 440 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 2: someone immediately by suing, so that that's a big fear. 441 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 2: I mean I've gotten threats to my home and in 442 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 2: my mailbox and in my dms. Most are not actionable, 443 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 2: but obviously there's a fear that, like you're walking down 444 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 2: the street and it's like you could be next in 445 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 2: a way, right, like someone could come and just beat 446 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: you up. I'm not saying someone's going to drive down 447 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: the street and try to shoot you. That not necessarily 448 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: fearful of that. It's more of like you don't know, 449 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: It's more fear of the unknow of like what could 450 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: happen out there, because no one thought that Charlie Kirk 451 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 2: would ever be assassinated, Like no one could have imagined 452 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 2: that to have happened, and so there's so much unknown 453 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: of what could happen, and that rate there is scary. 454 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: You're brave guy, keep up the good keep up the 455 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: good work, and uh if for everybody out on with 456 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: us today. 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