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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to my favorite murder. Today, we're starting

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Speaker 1: the new year with a look back on two of

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Speaker 1: our favorite stories from twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: That's right, we're taking two of our listener favorite stories

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Speaker 2: and combining them into a best of the Year quilt episode.

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Speaker 1: So Karen's going to kick things off with the story

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Speaker 1: of Violet Jessup, the Queen of Sinking Ships.

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Speaker 2: And Georgia is going to take us through the unforgettable

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Speaker 2: tale of Australia's Great Emu War. That's right right here

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Speaker 2: on this true crime podcast. You're gonna love it, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So enjoy this best of the Year quilt episode and

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Speaker 1: happy New Year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's make twenty twenty six a real one. Oh God, goodbye.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go to a place we've been to

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Speaker 2: before that I've actually forced you to come to twice before.

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Speaker 2: But I need to go back and you'll see why. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So it's two am on April fifteenth, nineteen twelve. Okay,

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Speaker 2: get a sense of what we're about to do. Nope,

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Speaker 2: we're in the middle of the North Atlantic where the

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Speaker 2: Titanic is sinking. Motherfucker. Yeah, Titanic. We're going back to

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Speaker 2: the Titanic. I love that guy. I love the titan

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Speaker 2: You love that vessel. A lot of stuff happen on

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Speaker 2: that vessel that I want to tell you about.

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Speaker 1: It's funny that you say twenty twelve and I'm in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the night, and.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, eh, I don't know nineteen twelve. But did

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Speaker 2: I say twenty twelve. That was a bad year too,

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Speaker 2: So twenty twelve was rough. I fully agree. I love

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Speaker 2: your Titanic stories. It's just so funny. Yeah, here's the

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Speaker 2: thing about me and the Titanic. I love to talk

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Speaker 2: it's pretty an amazing topic. I have no interest to

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Speaker 2: of people want to. I think photos are cool, but

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Speaker 2: You know, they don't put you there. They don't put

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Speaker 1: Maybe like a dish is so exciting, but like that's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's got all the weird algae on it

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Speaker 2: that dish. So much algae in a couple snails. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: here we're going to nineteen twelve. Everything is snail free.

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Speaker 2: That Titanic is sinking, and when it finally disappears under

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Speaker 2: the water, it will take the lives of more than

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred people with it. There will be around seven

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Speaker 2: hundred survivors. The survivors we've talked about on this show,

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Speaker 2: episode four to eleven, which was entitled eight Years one episode,

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Speaker 2: that's when I talked about the Unsinkable Molly Brown. They

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Speaker 2: the Unsinkable Molly Brown. She makes it onto lifeboat six,

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Speaker 2: and she spends her time on that lifeboat rallying the

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Speaker 2: terrified passengers and urging them to keep rowing. When the

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Speaker 2: threatens to throw them overboard. It's great for morale. Everybody

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Speaker 2: keeps going. They survive, got it girl. At this same

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Speaker 2: Titanic's baker Charles Jockin. You might remember he was the

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Speaker 1: Learned about that drunk one. Everyone was shit faced.

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Speaker 2: I need that you know that band was barely able

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Speaker 2: called Old Biscuit, and we learn on that one that

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Speaker 2: basically the thing that saved Charles Jawkins's life. They think

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Speaker 2: So main sources that Maren used for the story are

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Speaker 2: Violet's memoir entitled Titanic Survivor The Memoirs of Violet Jessop

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Speaker 2: she Survived the Titanic But it wasn't the only time

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Speaker 2: sources are in our show notes. Okay, we start the

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Speaker 2: story twenty five years before the Titanic sinks with an

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Speaker 2: Irish Catholic couple from Dublin named William and Kelly Jessop.

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Speaker 2: And also it's like, just because we're stuck on this

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Speaker 2: Maren made a note to me propinquity means physical closeness

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Speaker 2: or nearness, and then she was like, I've never heard

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Speaker 2: this word before. Thank you again. Pro pinquityquity. It's your

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Speaker 2: continual propinquity that causes the problem. Say, if you have

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Speaker 2: and its misused. Okay, So now it's September nineteen eleven.

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Speaker 2: Violet's been working as a crew member on the Olympic

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Speaker 2: So comparatively, this is probably the tamest of all the

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Speaker 2: she was just like, it was no one's priority to

425
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: get me a toothbrush after we got back to land,

426
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: and so she's like, never again.

427
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, girl, seems like you could use your

428
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: finger like we all did when we crashed at the

429
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: dude's house in our twenties.

430
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 2: So there, now Violet's loaded onto a crowded lifeboat. This

431
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: is if you are the kind of person that doesn't

432
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: understand why you listen to true crime podcasts because they

433
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: are upsetting, this part might upset you. Oh okay, got it.

434
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: This is a very upsetting part, especially if you have

435
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: ocean issues, okay, or you're on a boat right now,

436
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 2: or if you're on a boat right now. So they're

437
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: slowly being lowered into the water, which is not a

438
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,400
Speaker 2: smooth journey. The ship starts tilting. The lifeboat gets snagged

439
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: on an open porthole. It almost flips upside down, but

440
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,640
Speaker 2: the people on the lifeboat manage to get it uncaught.

441
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 2: Now it's scraping down the side of the Britannic as

442
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: it's lowered. At one point, the ship takes another hard

443
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: tilt and the lifeboat goes out and swings into the

444
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: ship's green hospital band, which is made of glass, so

445
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 2: it's a hospital ship. The green band around it is

446
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 2: actually made of glass, which I didn't know that. So

447
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: there's like a red cross up here, red cross back there.

448
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 2: That's so you know, hey, don't bomb this ship. Canvas. Yeah,

449
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,199
Speaker 2: a shortage of canvas. I don't know who pland that,

450
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: but they smash into it and glass shatters, and Violet

451
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: and the other people on the lifeboat are sprayed with

452
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: shards of glass. All the while Violet is looking down

453
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: at the water. She can see two lifeboats are already

454
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 2: down there, and the people who are on those lifeboats

455
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,919
Speaker 2: are doing everything they can to row away from the

456
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: ship itself. But the captain is still trying to move

457
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: the Britannic towards shallower waters, and he has not turned

458
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 2: off the ship's propeller. Oh no, yes, no, the propeller

459
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: is now sucking the evacuees in their lifeboats toward the ship.

460
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,639
Speaker 2: Violet watches as the worst case scenario plays out in

461
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: front of her. One of the lifeboats gets sucked into

462
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 2: the ship's blades, and the boat and all of the

463
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: people on it are hacked to pieces, and the water

464
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 2: then turns red with blood as she as they are

465
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 2: dangling over the side water they're supposed to go down into.

466
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh no, Violet will later say, quote, I gave that foolish,

467
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: nervous laugh, as people sometimes do when faced with an

468
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: unpleasant discovery and a doubtful alternative. That's a beautiful way

469
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: of putting. Oh fuck a fuck houck fuck, holy fuck,

470
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 2: just sitting there looking down. Oh my god, Violet's lifeboat

471
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 2: is finally dropped into the same water. Almost on cue,

472
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: Everyone except for Violet and one other man jump out

473
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: of the boat and into the sea. Violet will later

474
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 2: write about this quote. Not a word, not a shout

475
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: was heard, just hundreds of men fleeing into the sea,

476
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 2: as if from an enemy in pursuit. It was extraordinary

477
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: to find myself, in the space of a few minutes,

478
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 2: almost the only occupant of the boat. I turned around

479
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: to see the reason for this exodus, and to my horror,

480
00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 2: saw the Britannic's huge propellers churning and mincing up everything

481
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: near them. Men, boats, and everything were just one ghastly whirl.

482
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 2: Oh shut it off. So she turns around to see

483
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 2: why everyone's jumping off the boat, and then when she

484
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 2: turns back, the one guy that was left also jumps

485
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: off the boat. So horrible. She can't SWI right, not

486
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 2: an option, And yet she knows if she stays on

487
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 2: this boat, she's going into that propeller. So she flings

488
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: herself into the water, kicking and paddling for her life,

489
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 2: and it is the very first time her whole body

490
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: and her head are underwater like that. I mean, I'm

491
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: sure she took baths before, but like never, she has never.

492
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 2: She's immediately jerked around by the power of these propellers.

493
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: They just suck you right in. Yes, you're gonna go

494
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: where that water it takes you. Her head is hit

495
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 2: onto the ship's keel, which is the bottom spine, twice.

496
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: She's pulled down and her head is knocked into the

497
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 2: keel twice. She will later write, quote, my brain shook

498
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: like a solid body in a bottle of liquid. Oh

499
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: my god. At the same time, the keel is also

500
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 2: blocking Violet from being able to come back up and surface,

501
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 2: so she is under there, about to drown. She says,

502
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 2: quote Suddenly some twist of fancy made me see, even

503
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: then underwater, the humor of my situation, Oh my god,

504
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 2: And I chuckled. That was very nearly my undoing, for

505
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 2: I swallowed what seemed like gallons of water and everything

506
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 2: that was in it. I love her.

507
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: I love her like how much fun was she to

508
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: have a drink with?

509
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: Because she was like, you gotta be fasking block someone

510
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 2: hand me a baby down. Can you believe it? Miraculously?

511
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: This is when the captain finally cuts the ship's engines.

512
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: Thanks guy. The propellers stop, and now Violet's adrenaline kicks in. Yes,

513
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 2: she's injured, it is a head injury. But somehow she

514
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 2: forces her way to the surface and finds a life

515
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 2: vest floating nearby. She holds onto that life vest. She

516
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: keeps her head above water, and she swims past dismembered

517
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 2: corpses and dangerous debris from the chopped up lifeboats. Dude,

518
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: horror show, Yeah, this is the worst one. While the

519
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: Britannic continues sinking behind her. Violet is far enough away.

520
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 2: She gets far enough away, and when she does, she

521
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 2: turns around and she watches it go down. Quote. She says,

522
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: all the deck machinery fell into the sea like child's toys.

523
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Then she took a fearful plunge, her stern, rearing hundreds

524
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: of feet into the air, until with a final roar,

525
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: she disappeared into the depths, the noise of her going

526
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 2: resounding through the water with an undreamt of violence. Wow,

527
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: you just don't want to be that close to these

528
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 2: gigantic ships. When they sing, truly like, really, you want

529
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 2: to be at home, far far away, at home with

530
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 2: your eight brothers and sisters. So violets out there are

531
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 2: bobbing in the water, clinging to the life vest until

532
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: a motor boat approaches and pulls her up to safety.

533
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: She then realizes for the first time that her leg

534
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: has been slashed and her head is quote battered almost

535
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: to a pulp. Doctors are amazed by how mobile and

536
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: alert Violet is. When she sees a Britannic doctor that

537
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 2: she'd sat beside it mass earlier that morning. He tells her, quote,

538
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: I know what saved you today, young lady English muffin.

539
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: Did you hear the way I choked on the finishing

540
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: that sentence where I'm like, oh wait, he means God

541
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 2: on a second, hold on a second. What does she

542
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: think about this? I don't know. I wasn't really thinking.

543
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a highly Catholic church sponsored episode.

544
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: It truly is. The Britannic will sink in just under

545
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: fifty five minutes. It took the Titanic two hours and

546
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: forty minutes to sink. This thing went down fast. Twenty

547
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: eight people are killed when the Britannic sinks it could

548
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: have been much worse if the ship had picked up

549
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 2: wounded soldiers, but it was on the way. Oh thank god. Yeah.

550
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: Violet is patched up and she's sent home to England,

551
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: where she lives with her mom, Kelly. She ends up

552
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: getting a job at a bank and for that sounds

553
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: way better, I mean, but she's having problems with her

554
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 2: basically with her cognition because of the head injury. Years

555
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 2: after the sinking, a doctor will be doing a routine

556
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: exam on her when he tells Violet that she'd actually

557
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: fractured her skull when her head hit the Britanni's keel,

558
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: and she somehow not only survived, but was never treated

559
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: for it and basically got through it. So a few

560
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: years after that, in nineteen twenty, when Violet is around

561
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: thirty three years old, she gets a niche to go

562
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 2: back to see. Violet will go back to the White

563
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 2: Star Line on the restored Olympic, which is the ocean

564
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: liner she worked on that collided with the Hawk Number

565
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: one Yes okay. Violet immediately notices how different the Olympic's

566
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: passengers are from the last time she was on it.

567
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Instead of the stuffy, ultra rich, bossy assholes that she

568
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: had worked for before the war, richie riches. Now she's

569
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: dealing with Americans, many middle class. They're just there to

570
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: have fun. Great because on land it's prohibition, right, So

571
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 2: that's a new responsibility as a steward and stewardess is

572
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: on this ship, it's part of your job to basically

573
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: help these VIPs to booze it up while they are

574
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: on this ship. Sounds great, And basically part of the

575
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: job is you have to hide the booze from customs agents.

576
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: Got it? Violet will write about that quote. It was

577
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: all so fantastic. There were pillars of Wall Street senators, lawyers, debutantes,

578
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: all with their minds on the same problem. As we

579
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 2: approach the shores of the United States, how do we

580
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 2: keep drinking? So from here Violet bounces around to other ships.

581
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: She even completes two cruises around the world on the

582
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: Red Star Line, and that experience means a lot to Violet.

583
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: She's surrounded by diverse people, She's exposed to different world cultures,

584
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 2: and this is when she really begins in bracing her

585
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 2: life as a stewardess, which she then comes to appreciate

586
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: for its excitement and its unpredictability and the ways it's

587
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: tested her spirit and resolve. Fair enough. I mean, that's

588
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 2: quite a line, Maren, having written that, of like testing

589
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: her spirit and resolve, It's like you almost died on

590
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 2: a three. The ocean wants to kill you so bad violently.

591
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: This is fucking final destination, Victorian. She's like, guess what, Yeah,

592
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: I was at church this morning. It's not happening right today.

593
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 2: That's right, Mass will keep you from dying. Violet spends

594
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 2: the next several years at sea. She marries and quickly

595
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: divorces a fellow steward. In nineteen fifty, she retires at

596
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: the age of sixty three and moves into a cottage

597
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: in Suffolk, England, in a village called Great Ashfield, where

598
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: she raises chickens, makes an adjacent field available for her neighbors,

599
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: horses who she loves like her own, and she even

600
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: grows flowers that remind her of the ones that she

601
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: loved as a little girl in Argentina. Violet Jessip dies

602
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: of congestive heart failure in nineteen seventy one, when she

603
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: is eighty three years old. What a fucking life. What

604
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: a life, And despite her long career at sea, she

605
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 2: ends her life very grounded, close with her family, doting

606
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,919
Speaker 2: on her neighbour's horses, tending to her garden, and every

607
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: so often delighting and telling one of her unbelievable stories

608
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: of survival. And that is the story and the legend

609
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: of the so called Queen of the Sinking Ships, Violet Jessup. Wow, yeah,

610
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: I'd take that. I'll take that life, you know, Okay,

611
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 2: I'll take it all the way up until ring over

612
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: Red Water while people okay, yeah, ye, I know what

613
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 2: that one.

614
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: I don't what that one. That's fucking wild.

615
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: It is not cool. How great job, Thank you did

616
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: it again. Great job. My researcher Maaron McGlashan, who took

617
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: that basically, was like, I think I found and one that's

618
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: crazier than all of the Titanic stories combined. I'm like,

619
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: how is that possible? A good one? Yeah?

620
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: So did I believe you guys. We believe in you, guys,

621
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: We believe you. Good job to everyone listening. Don't forget

622
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 1: hashtag my favorite hot dog.

623
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: Hashtag. It up proved to us that you like hot

624
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: dogs the most. We'll show you hours of your show.

625
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: It's yours, right, that's right. Okay, Now it's your turn.

626
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 2: Now it's my turn, and we're gonna take a turn. Okay, great,

627
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: not right away. This is about.

628
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: A not well known war that took place in Western

629
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 1: Australia in the nineteen thirties. Oh that, I mean, it's

630
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 1: so not well known that we got one email from

631
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,320
Speaker 1: a listener about it in the Gmail.

632
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 2: That's it. Okay. But I think it's going to be

633
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: your new favorite war. Okay, I think I have so many.

634
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, it's gonna be tough. It's gonna be tough.

635
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Speaker 2: I'd say my first favorite wars is mash Okay. So

636
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna start cold, and I'll tell you

637
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 2: what it's called. Okay in a moment. Okay, I'll wait,

638
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 2: please wait, okay, please hold.

639
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 1: So we're in the aftermath of World War One. Thousands

640
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,720
Speaker 1: of veterans who are nicknamed soldier settlers, moved to Western

641
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: Australia and it's a vast area with a huge array

642
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: of climates. There's tropical coast up north, desert in the interior,

643
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: a Mediterranean climate similar to parts of California on the

644
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: southwestern coasts. It's a fucking beautiful place. We should all

645
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 1: move to.

646
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 2: We should, don't you think. Remember we did like a

647
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: tour which was kind of southeastern. Yeah, we didn't go

648
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 2: to Perth. We didn't go to Perth next time.

649
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: So the Australian government has bought thousands of tracts of

650
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: land to sell to the soldiers at discounted prices in

651
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: an effort to reward the men for their service with

652
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: farmland to develop and profit from.

653
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 2: So they're trying to you know, expand back. Yeah, there are.

654
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: More than five thousand soldiers who buy land under the scheme,

655
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 1: and the problem is that the amount of land with

656
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: good soil for farming in Western Australia is kind of low,

657
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 1: so many of these soldiers are stuck out on tracks

658
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: with low quality soil and a host of other issues

659
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: that haven't really been thought through. In the end, most

660
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: of these soldiers wind up raising sheep and planting wheat,

661
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: which is what's most suited to the climate. And in

662
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: the nineteen twenties there's actually a string of really good years.

663
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 2: The wheat grows well.

664
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Speaker 1: The farmers are insulated a bit from bad years by

665
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: selling wool from the sheep and everyone is making money.

666
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: Everything's fine. Then in nineteen twenty nine, your favorite great

667
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Depression happens, The Great Depression.

668
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 2: The Great, the Greatest, the Greatest Depression.

669
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: I was falling asleep last night to the World according

670
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: to Kunk by filming The Kunk, of course.

671
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 2: So it's truly one of the best books ever in period. Oh,

672
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 2: I thought you're talking about the TV show. You're listening

673
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: to the book. Yeah, the audiobook I'm listening to. Yeah, Okay.

674
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: At first, when the Great DEPRESSI and starts, the price

675
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: of wheat stays pretty stable. Other prices for goods tank

676
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: in Australia, so the government pushes a big initiative to

677
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 1: get farmers to produce more wheat because it's selling.

678
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: Hey, great, let's just do it.

679
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 1: The slogan they come up with for the farmers to

680
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:16,919
Speaker 1: grow more wheat is.

681
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 2: I guess, Hey, it's wheat time. Guys.

682
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: Nope, it's more complicated. It's just grow more wheat.

683
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: Damn it. I should have had you on their creative team.

684
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: Goddamn it.

685
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: The Australian Prime Minister promises the farmers that the government.

686
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: Will buy the wheat at a good price.

687
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Australian farmers enthusiastically take him up on this offer, vastly

688
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: expanding their wheat production. Right, But by the early nineteen

689
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: thirties there's a new prime minister.

690
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 2: That always fucking happens. You never plan for that every time.

691
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: That's Joseph Lyons and the global price of wheat tanks,

692
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: tanks for nothing.

693
00:39:55,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: The government you acted, you were reading off the page, Well,

694
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: good one.

695
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: The government, which already is facing a massive deficit, actually

696
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: goes back on the previous prime minister's promise because they

697
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: can do that. So the situation is already fairly bleak

698
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: at this point. By October of nineteen thirty two, that's

699
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: where we are when that year's.

700
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: Wheat harvest is supposed to start.

701
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Farmers in the town I'm going to get these wrong Australians.

702
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: I'm real sorry. Farmers near the towns of Campion and Wallgulin.

703
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 1: That sounds right, yeah, reporting issue. So this area is

704
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: one of the drier parts of the state and it

705
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 1: wasn't as well suited to farming already. Right before the

706
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: farmers are meant to start harvesting their wheat on this land,

707
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 1: a plague overtakes the farms and rinks havoc on the

708
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: crops they trample, they devour there more than a nuisance,

709
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: their downright pestilence of epic proportions. This is the story

710
00:40:55,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: of the great Emu war Oh whoa what emu? All

711
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, these poor.

712
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: Gentlemen farm. It's like it's not going great. They're just

713
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: trying to make the best of it, and suddenly they

714
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: talk their wife into coming. It's gonna be great. We're

715
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: gonna be farmers. We're gonna own la. It's okay. It's

716
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: you're afraid of birds, that's fine. There's hardly any birds

717
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 2: out here. No, it's totally fine. It's Australia. What could

718
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: go wrong? I mean, wild animal? Why is not snake?

719
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: Snakes sucks and big Shout out to my researcher Ali

720
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Elkin for even coming up with.

721
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: This story, because so good.

722
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: I saw it and responded in all caps because it

723
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: was so exciting, you know. So, let me tell you

724
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: a little bit about EMUs, since I don't know how

725
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: familiar you are with them.

726
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 2: I could be thinking of kiwi, which is the small bird.

727
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: You're you're it's not a kiwi. This is the large one.

728
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: That looks kind of like a ostrich Yeah, okay, yeah, okay,

729
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 1: So emas are actually native to Australia, and I wrote

730
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: like Charlie's Starreon.

731
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Wait, that's not right, is she? I think she's South African.

732
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: You know who I met?

733
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: I met Nicole Kidman. Oh, yes, Barbie. I'm a Barbie

734
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: Margo Margaret Robbie's fuck man, I can't even get that.

735
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: Don't believe what.

736
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: Word I is it?

737
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: You had so many choices I did, just.

738
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: Blonde, beautiful actresses, and I picked the wrong fucking one.

739
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: They're the world's second or third largest bird. I couldn't

740
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: tell based on searching. Right, they're right after ostriches, So

741
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: ostrichries are bigger than them. Then there's EMUs. Emas are

742
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 1: considered one of the closest living relatives to dinosaurs. Yes, right,

743
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:33,399
Speaker 1: particularly to raptors.

744
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: Oh man.

745
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the only species of bird that has calf muscles.

746
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 2: That's so crazy creep and little uh like fighting Irish

747
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 2: tattoos on those calf muscles.

748
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: Even worse, and they can jump seven feet high. They

749
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: can sprint for short distances of forty miles per hour. No,

750
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: that's fast, it is, that's like on the freeway here,

751
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: and that's actually about the speed of an average racehorse too.

752
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: So they're fucking fast. A little shit, it's fast, right.

753
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: Emu's have a pouch in their throat that they used

754
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 1: to make deep booming and grunting sounds for communications.

755
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: That are me wow. You know, I was gonna say

756
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 2: that this is YouTube, particularly during breeding season. Hey.

757
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: And then here is where a note to Georgia, Ali

758
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: put a video of an EMU running to see how

759
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: fast it could go. And then I got into a

760
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: fucking rabbit hole of EMU videos.

761
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: How to go?

762
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: I wrote zoomies because emos get zoomies. Emu's playing fetch

763
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: with a little girl, dog and baby. There's a one

764
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 1: with a dog and a baby EMU playing. They're fucking adorable.

765
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so is this like people now have EMU farms,

766
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: like they're raising them like Austin. Yes, okay, so yeah,

767
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 2: so I went down this rabbit hole. I saw them run.

768
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: It totally looked like the beginning of Jurassic Park with

769
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: all these long necks, just like they're really fun and.

770
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,439
Speaker 2: I want one now, and you're I was gonna say,

771
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: and you're like, events come on, just one morning, save EMUs.

772
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: And actually some EMUs can be gentle and affectionate if

773
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 1: they're raised that way from a young age, but others

774
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: can be aggressive and moody, especially if they're not socialized

775
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: property dittoh, and they may.

776
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: React angrily to being touched or handled. Hey hey when Yeah.

777
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: So they have tiny wings, so they're flightless, but they're

778
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: known to migrate very long distances in search of food

779
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: and water. In the past, EMUs typically moved through this

780
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: area that we're in toward the coast without staying long before.

781
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 1: But there's been a drought in nineteen thirty two, and

782
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,880
Speaker 1: the creation of this new farmland has both cleared areas

783
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 1: of vegetation and obstacles and has established new water sources

784
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: for livestock and irrigation. It's the perfect place for EMUs.

785
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: So in this area in this time period, guess how

786
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,720
Speaker 1: many migratory EMUs visit this area at once.

787
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go ahead and say, you don't have to

788
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 2: guess if you don't want to. I mean, look, I

789
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: don't want I don't want to guess, but I have

790
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: to guess. No, I really want to. I've done. Emu

791
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: standing here. How many do you think fucking showed up

792
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 2: for the Great EMU War five hundred twenty thousand. What

793
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 2: twenty fucking thousand EMUs onto this like smallish area because

794
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 2: also they're eating that wheat. They're eating the wheat. Yep,

795
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: they're drinking all the irrigated water.

796
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: They're like stomping, they're trampling, they're like wreaking habit partying.

797
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 2: They're fucking partying. This is their kind of what do

798
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 2: you call it? Burning man? It's a nineteen thirty two

799
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: early burning man.

800
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 1: Totally meet me on the play a man, be yourself

801
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: to put that number in perspective, Ali, let me know

802
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: that twenty thousand EMUs would fill your typical arena where

803
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: an NBA team would play.

804
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 2: It's the exact of the crypto dot com arena.

805
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: So you're not even playing basketball. And then you look

806
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 1: up into the crowd and it's fucking just all to

807
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 1: wall EMUs.

808
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: And they're like doing weird shit, like they're gonna come

809
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: down right, they're like getting ready to and they're dinosaurs.

810
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 2: They're dinosaurs the same amount of feathers as ostriches, I think, so, yeah, yeah,

811
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: they're similar to ostrich They cut You would think it

812
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 2: was an ostrich. Yeah you would, you would. Yeah, you'd

813
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 2: get it wrong, and you wouldn't be stupid right for it. Yeah,

814
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: that's what we keep telling ourselves.

815
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: Right. And to make matters worse, high tariffs imposed in

816
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: the post war and depression era have made wire netting

817
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: prohibitively expensive, so they can't afford to fence out the EMUs.

818
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,279
Speaker 2: That's not a choice, I know. So it's literally a

819
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: perfect story. It is.

820
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: So the farmers, who are all vets, remember they're all

821
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: veterans to World War One, say to the level headed

822
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: thing and they write to the Minister of Defense asking

823
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: asking to be supplied with machine guns to kill the

824
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:58,879
Speaker 1: emos as you do.

825
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: Well. The problem is, and I think we've talked about

826
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: this a lot of like it's sheer numbers, where it's

827
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: like if it was five hundred demos, they would be

828
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 2: a little more reasonable twenty thousand of these.

829
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Thirty thousand and then So maybe because the government has

830
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: jerked these farmers around so many times with the price

831
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: of weed already, they kind of know they're in trouble

832
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: with these farmers already. They want to appear like they're

833
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 1: helping them. So the Minister says yes to the gun request.

834
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: But since the government in Australia has smart brains that

835
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: think in a normal way, machine guns are tightly regulated there.

836
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: Yes, can you imagine, I mean, what a world to

837
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: live in. But also they just because the farmer soldiers

838
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,879
Speaker 2: asked for machine guns, why can't they just have regular guns? Right?

839
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: They wanted machine guns? I know, it sounds more fun.

840
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: Probably they're probably poured out of their fucking mindes at

841
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: this point and they'rege in this rage. So instead, three

842
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: specially trained soldiers are sent from Perth to the region

843
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: to operate the machine guns. Okay, oh, okay, everyone doesn't

844
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: get a machine gun. Great, these three guys get a

845
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: machine gun.

846
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 2: Will send machine guns to you with people who can

847
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: operate them. Good plan.

848
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: And it's not just like a little machine gun that

849
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: you can hold and operate and move around with. It's

850
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: a huge tube that needs to be propped up. It

851
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: has a wheel of bullets. It's like, you know, a

852
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: World War One type gun. Yeah, the rest of the

853
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: farmers are allowed to help shoot at the EMUs, but

854
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 1: they have to use boring all regular rifles. Okay, So

855
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: the farmers also agree to house the three military specialists

856
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: and to pay for the ammunition for the guns.

857
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: It's not the greatest deal plan or deal for them. Yeah,

858
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 2: but you do have to do that thing where like

859
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,800
Speaker 2: after a while you're like, sure, but you did agree

860
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 2: to do this huge, crazy thing. Yes, that's true, but

861
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 2: under what pretenses? Like what they lies true where it's like, oh,

862
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: you can farm this beautiful area, but it's Australia, so

863
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 2: it's like it's all snakes and spiders. Yeah, they can't.

864
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 2: The expectation couldn't have been no EMUs easy. Yeah, there

865
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 2: was no no EMU clause, no EMU clause. We guarantee

866
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,960
Speaker 2: no large bird will come at you. Non masks, legit

867
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 2: dinosaur hordes of them. Yeah, okay.

868
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: So the Army specialists are overseen by a man named

869
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: Major Gwynned Purvis when Aubrey Meredith is his name?

870
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,240
Speaker 2: Are his six first names? Yeah? Cool?

871
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 1: And so he's there overseeing it. And then a cinematographer

872
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: also joins the group to film the anti EMU offensive okay,

873
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: which is great, presumably because people in the Australian government

874
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,360
Speaker 1: believed it would be successful. They're like, let's send a

875
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: cameraman out there and this will be great. Propaganda for

876
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: like what we do for our farmers. The soldiers arrive

877
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: on November Tewod, nineteen thirty two, and the war begins.

878
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: On the first day they arrive, a flock of fifty

879
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: EMUs is spotted at one of the farms, so they

880
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: set up their guns on some nearby high ground. The

881
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:57,320
Speaker 1: guns jam almost immediately and the EMUs scatter oo. The

882
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: next day the soldiers have a bit more successful They

883
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: set up ambush around water sources, but immediately proves to

884
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: be very slow going. Between the rifles and the machine guns,

885
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: the soldiers are able to pick off about out of

886
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: twenty thousand EMUs in one day.

887
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: They pick off about twelve EMUs max. Before the rest

888
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:17,880
Speaker 2: of the flock has scurried out of range.

889
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so in a day's work, that's twelve EMUs out

890
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: of twenty thousand, and that's a good day.

891
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: It turns out, Oh.

892
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 1: The farmers in the military have woefully underestimated their adversaries.

893
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: I told you about how fast they are, and I

894
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: told you about how they have calf muscles, so they're like.

895
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 2: So they're cool, yeah, kind of hot.

896
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: The soldiers that were sent to the farms, they start

897
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: getting nervous. They've been instructed by one of their commanding

898
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: officers to bring back at least one hundred EMU skins,

899
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: because EMU feathers are used to decorate the ceremonial helmets

900
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: for a particular military union in Australia. So this commanding

901
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: officer was like, hey, this is a great way to

902
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: get a bunch of fucking emos.

903
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: But it's becoming.

904
00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Increasingly apparent that killing any EMUs, let alone a hundred

905
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 1: to bring back, is not.

906
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 2: Going to be easy. Yeah, because the EMUs have now

907
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: started to appoint their own officers, oh, who act as

908
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 2: scouts for the rest of the flock. Yes, yes, they're

909
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:18,720
Speaker 2: fucking smart. They went back to headquarters and they said, sorry,

910
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 2: those guys on the hill do not want what's best

911
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: for us. No, something's going down, that's right.

912
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: One EMU work correspondent wrote at the time, quote, the

913
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: EMUs have proved that they are not so stupid as

914
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: they are usually considered to be because they do run

915
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 1: around like fucking idiots. Like they do run around, they

916
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: look goofy like turkeys, but doesn't mean they're dumb, No,

917
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: he says, each mob has its leader, always an enormous

918
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: black plumed bird, standing fully six feet high, who keeps

919
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: watch while his fellows busy themselves with the wheat. At

920
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: the first suspicious sign, he gives a signal, and dozens

921
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,120
Speaker 1: of heads stretch up out of the crop.

922
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: Dinosaurs.

923
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: A few birds will take fright, starting a headlong stampede

924
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: into the scrub, the leader always remaining until his followers

925
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: have reached safety.

926
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:08,280
Speaker 2: Wow. End quote. Shit. So fucking Papa Bear is like, hey, guys,

927
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 2: here they are. That was a scatter. We've survived for

928
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of years, so we got this here.

929
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: We're fucking dinosaurs. No one panic. Remember those cavemen from

930
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 2: back then recently they barely made it. It's those guys.

931
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 2: These are cousins of those guys, and they think they're

932
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 2: gonna kill us. Yeah.

933
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 1: After the first week of the EMU war, it is

934
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: reported that the group have used twenty five hundred rounds

935
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,240
Speaker 1: of ammunition to kill just three hundred emas.

936
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And that's a generous estimate. That comes

937
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: from one of the military specialists. And you know they

938
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: fucking raise those numbers absolutely. So I'm gonna read you

939
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: this quote.

940
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: The one person who wrote towards Gmail about like you

941
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: guys should cover the story.

942
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 2: It's really crazy. Is someone named Zach Greedy?

943
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: She her and Zagreedy included a quote from someone named

944
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 1: John p Rafferty that came from the wikiped So here

945
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: is that quote that Zegratti included.

946
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 2: Okay, quote The machine.

947
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: Gunner's dream of point blank fire into serried masses of

948
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: EMUs were soon dissipated. The EMU command had evidently ordered

949
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 1: gerrilla tactics, and its unwieldy army soon split up into

950
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 1: innumerable small units that made use of the military equipment uneconomic,

951
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: meaning like you're wasting your fucking bullets.

952
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:25,319
Speaker 2: Yep.

953
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, in Parliament, Prime Minister Joseph Lyons remember him, is

954
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: now facing questions about the expense of the EMA War.

955
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: One of the members of Parliament from Sydney asked, sarcastically

956
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 1: if any of the parties involved in the EMA War

957
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: should be receiving a medal harsh yeah, and someone says,

958
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: if anyone should be getting a medal, it should be

959
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 1: the EMUs. That sounds like a fun parliament.

960
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: It's true.

961
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: After two weeks the EMUs seem to have learned the

962
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: range of the machine guns.

963
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: They fucking yeah, you can't. You can't hit me this far.

964
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 2: You can't get me. I'm out of your range. It's

965
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: like when you can't leave the part of the couch

966
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: you have one, right, so then your sister just walks

967
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 2: just out of range of like, well then I'll go

968
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: get myself like a cookie and you can't have one. Exactly.

969
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: They set up shop in the wheat fields just out

970
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: of that range and move every time the soldiers reposition themselves,

971
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: scatter when the farmers get close with the rifles. All

972
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: this scattering and running is also causing the EMUs to

973
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: trample more wheat than they would have if you had

974
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: never started this fucking Ema war. After the most successful

975
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: day of the war, maybe two dozen EMUs are killed.

976
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 2: Rip.

977
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: One of the military specialists examines one of the dead

978
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,960
Speaker 1: EMUs and finds that it has five bullets in its body,

979
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: some of which are clearly old wounds from the beginning

980
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: of the campaign.

981
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 2: Oh sh, which means that.

982
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: The EMUs are staying alive and running it close to

983
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,439
Speaker 1: full speed even after being shot multiple times, Like they're

984
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: fucking terminator.

985
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 2: Yes, They're like, oh no, we're going to yeah, yeah, yeah,

986
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: isn't that.

987
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: Creepy, Like it's extending a message with his body. It's

988
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: looking more and more like the EMUs will win the war,

989
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 1: until suddenly, on December second, the war is called off.

990
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: I think they're like, let's cut our fucking losses.

991
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: Yes, this is insanity.

992
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: The soldiers claim to have killed between one thousand and

993
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: two thousand EMUs out of roughly twenty thousand that were

994
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: in the combat zone, and the EMUs seem to become

995
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: a part of life for the farmers at this point,

996
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: having bested the soldiers.

997
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,879
Speaker 2: Still, in future years.

998
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: The soldiers settlers will continue to request machine guns to

999
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: fight off the fucking EMUs because I'm about the reproducing,

1000
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: but the Australian Ministry of Defense will turn them down

1001
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: every time. Instead, the soldier settlers are supplied with additional rifles,

1002
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: and eventually they become more successful at fending off the

1003
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: EMUs on.

1004
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,359
Speaker 2: Their own, picking them off one at a time. Yeah.

1005
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: Between the nineteen forties and nineteen sixties, the farmers kill

1006
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: more than two hundred thousand of them under a bounty system.

1007
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 2: Oh that's a lot. Peter doesn't like that. No, that's bad.

1008
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 2: I mean, they're so cute little babies are They're so cute?

1009
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 2: I mean, can't it be like you just get rid

1010
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 2: of enough so that your stuff isn't at risk? Right?

1011
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: It always has to be this like now they've killed

1012
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand lay, now they're in danger. Yeah, exactly. Okay.

1013
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 1: So then later, eventually the price of fencing comes down

1014
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: and this becomes a much more practical way to deal

1015
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: with EMUs than fucking killing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

1016
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: of them. Then in nineteen ninety nine, EMUs become a

1017
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 1: protected species in Australia. Yay, and there are about six

1018
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,440
Speaker 1: hundred thousand of them living in Australia today, which is

1019
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,800
Speaker 1: considered a strong population.

1020
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 2: So good they're back, baby, good, good good. They're all

1021
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 2: riddled with bullets and old wounds. Yeah, oh my god. Yeah,

1022
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 2: Grandpa is telling the stories about how you survived the

1023
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 2: emu war. They thought they got me with this one.

1024
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 2: I just kept running.

1025
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: Major Meredith remember him with a really long name. He

1026
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: goes on to have a story to military career. Having

1027
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: already served in World War One, he also serves in

1028
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: World War Two and in the Korean War with distinction.

1029
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 2: But I bet that emu war stuck in his cross.

1030
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: That's the one that I think. Yeah, he fucking couldn't win. Yeah,

1031
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: and that is the story of the Great Emu War.

1032
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 2: It's totally insane. It's so good.

1033
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 1: Here's a farmer with an emo that eh, it's pretty sad.

1034
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 2: He's all mad. He's a big bird, right, Yeah, that

1035
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 2: is a big old bird. You know. He's saying griiky,

1036
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:27,080
Speaker 2: He's saying, my calves, please, my calves. Wow.

1037
00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: All right, that was great, Thank you, Thank you Ali

1038
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: for finding that in the depths of the internet.

1039
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 2: Nice one, Allie. I really didn't understand what we were

1040
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 2: doing at the beginning, no, but it was fun. What

1041
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: do you think was gonna happen? I don't know, but

1042
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: I'm really happy to hear like the idea that like,

1043
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: here's how we're going to use sheer brute force to

1044
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 2: solve a problem, and then that problems like you're not

1045
00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: going to that doesn't work that way. That's always I

1046
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: think a better you know, it's good. It helps people

1047
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,960
Speaker 2: evolve better ideas. Yeah, you got to learn how to

1048
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 2: live in harmony with nature. Yeah, you get your ass

1049
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: kicked if not, or how about somebody figures out cheap

1050
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: barbed wire, You fools, You could have saved yourself so

1051
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 2: much time.

1052
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for listening. We appreciate you being here.

1053
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: Stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis. Do you

1054
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: want a cookie?

1055
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 2: This has been an exactly right production.

1056
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Speaker 1: Our senior producer is Molly Smith and our associate producer

1057
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 1: is Tessa Hughes.

1058
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 2: Our editor is Aristotle Ascevedo. This episode was mixed by

1059
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 2: Leona Squialacci. Our researchers are Mary McGlashan and Ali Elkin.

1060
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:43,040
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1061
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Speaker 1: Podcasts or wherever you get your.

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Speaker 2: Podcasts, or you can watch us on YouTube. Search for

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Speaker 2: My Favorite Murder, then like and subscribe. Goodbye,