Speaker 1: Forever. Look man, oh I see you? Why why and
Speaker 1: look over there? How is that culture? Yes, goodness, it's Sunday.
Speaker 1: We're drinking sparkling rose. Because our guests came in and
Speaker 1: said it's Sunday. I brought rose. And then the reveal
Speaker 1: was that it was sparkling Yeah. Actually that that was
Speaker 1: actually as most pleasing to me in my career. She
Speaker 1: buried the lead there though, the sparkle is kind of
Speaker 1: what you come for. It's actually what you come for.
Speaker 1: And honestly in this, in this the holiday times, because
Speaker 1: don't forget that is what it is. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got to be celebrating with a little bit of sparkle.
Speaker 1: We've got to celebrate with a little bit of sparkle.
Speaker 1: It's the points set as of beverages. You know. There
Speaker 1: are times when I I do like a prosecco moment.
Speaker 1: There's times when I do like, uh rose moment. Guess
Speaker 1: the best of both, and and here we get the
Speaker 1: best of both. About damn. See now this is this
Speaker 1: an expensive moment? Absolutely okay, Because I don't know, I'm trash.
Speaker 1: I'm trash honestly. So the other day I had to
Speaker 1: go buy rap gifts for everyone, and so for a
Speaker 1: game show, and I was like, what's what's good to buy?
Speaker 1: And I went into the you know, the liquor store
Speaker 1: as she's called and this town and I went in
Speaker 1: and I was like, where's the vogue. I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's like my class thing. And what
Speaker 1: did someone say? And well I didn't ask that. I
Speaker 1: was embarrassed. So what I ended up doing was I
Speaker 1: ended up buying um, just some nice uh it said
Speaker 1: Champagne on it. I mean, I don't know. She is
Speaker 1: a product of England Champagne full Champagne. Is that is that? Okay?
Speaker 1: Is it one bottle for every single person? No? Just
Speaker 1: I got the line producer or something and I got
Speaker 1: our poster at something. I technically can't be champagne unless
Speaker 1: it comes from from from the area of Champagne, Okay.
Speaker 1: And so this is culture. We have a culture. She is.
Speaker 1: She is the opposite of trash because she class She
Speaker 1: outclasses me every damn day. Well, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: dispute you on that. It's truly true and know you
Speaker 1: you know me. But then she will come in and
Speaker 1: she'll be like, what the fund should either compliment where
Speaker 1: you're wearing, or she'll be like, what the funk is this?
Speaker 1: What the fund is this? And I kind of want
Speaker 1: to hear I kind of want to hear from her
Speaker 1: in a second about what your ratio is, what you
Speaker 1: particular ratio is, because we know ratio like ratio to
Speaker 1: what the funk from? What the fun is this? But um,
Speaker 1: I will say in order just had this guest up,
Speaker 1: you have to talk about that. She's literally one of
Speaker 1: the funniest people ever, one of the funniest people ever. Um.
Speaker 1: I love watching her perform. She always gets my mind going, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I met our guest at JFL. We were the same
Speaker 1: class JFL and I fucking I remember I was in
Speaker 1: the I was watching the New Faces stand ups and
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this doesn't even feel like a
Speaker 1: new Face moment. This feels like a moment. My mother
Speaker 1: and father were there, and they were my mother could
Speaker 1: not stop speaking about it. And let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: some of the content not for a lot of moms,
Speaker 1: but but my mother she crossed over filthy mother. She
Speaker 1: was dirty. But our guests can cross over into the
Speaker 1: mother mind. You can still appeal to that sector, and
Speaker 1: it's very fascinating to watch your mom watch Sam J perform,
Speaker 1: because like sometimes she'll be like she went off on
Speaker 1: this one thing and that. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: this is this is on tame, this is wild. And
Speaker 1: I just saw my mom. I turned around and my
Speaker 1: mom was clapping like a seal, like like a damn seal,
Speaker 1: like a fool, like a seal fool. You know some
Speaker 1: of these seals up in sea road to act like fools.
Speaker 1: This is my mother and I'm telling you it was
Speaker 1: sort of like she was talking about like I think
Speaker 1: it was a joke, like like I do not remember
Speaker 1: what it was, but it was like I was shocked
Speaker 1: to see my mother respond in this way. This was
Speaker 1: years ago, decades, Oh my god. But I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: my mom is standing, My mom is standing. Well listen.
Speaker 1: You can check her out comedy line up on Netflix
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live album out tour right tour um and
Speaker 1: her special is going to be so fine. Here we
Speaker 1: fucking go um. Oh. She told me the name, and
Speaker 1: I think it's a really good name for it. Well wait,
Speaker 1: you say you say it three in the morning, three
Speaker 1: in the morning, because it's those thoughts that come into
Speaker 1: your head at three clear you clarity, I mean, and
Speaker 1: she can she can expand on this more. But we
Speaker 1: want to brave to name your special after Kamala Harris
Speaker 1: campaign slogan damn so please welcome into your ears. Sam Jay.
Speaker 1: Hey guys, you guys are entertaining. Well, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: that's actually that was Actually the idea is good expecting
Speaker 1: to fucking boring as people very entertaining. Imagine if we
Speaker 1: like just have flopped and we're boring in front of
Speaker 1: Sam day tomorrow. Now you gotta turn it on. We
Speaker 1: have the we have, we have the star here. I
Speaker 1: flop all the time. You do not in front of Sam.
Speaker 1: So I'm done with you and you're facing bullshit. You're
Speaker 1: a star. I share a damn a shared damn dressing
Speaker 1: dressing room with Chris Rod Yes, the Prince of all
Speaker 1: princess we love. And sometimes Sam will hang out in
Speaker 1: that room him She's welcome to do and she'll she'll
Speaker 1: be sitting there and I'm like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: gotta like she belongs to more than I do. You
Speaker 1: know what? Yeah, I actually I actually agree. I actually
Speaker 1: I'm sign because it's been Ker's room for like three year,
Speaker 1: three years at this point, so I've always been. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I feel bad. I'm like, I hope I'm not making
Speaker 1: for her, you know, I'm that's true, that is true.
Speaker 1: I don't know that place. Goddamn right, go damn right, wait, okay,
Speaker 1: three in the morning. And then because you like went
Speaker 1: into this beautiful explanation to me when you told me, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I just think it's like the part of the time
Speaker 1: where this album is actually I mean, this our special
Speaker 1: is actually getting made. You know, Like three am is
Speaker 1: when I'm usually getting home for my solo spots that
Speaker 1: I've been in all late. If I'm going to are
Speaker 1: you with my girl about being out all night, probably
Speaker 1: happens around the morning. You know, she's thinking gorgeous un
Speaker 1: and then one of the nicest people ever, beautiful kind.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just kind of where I feel like
Speaker 1: the grit and the stuff that's gonna make this hour
Speaker 1: feel good. Do you say that's when you write a
Speaker 1: lot too, or now that's what I'm thinking a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm processing a lot. Like usually get out the Southern
Speaker 1: maybe two to thirty and I'll take a long cab
Speaker 1: bret home, kind of listen to tape. Think you know,
Speaker 1: do you get a lot out of watch listening to
Speaker 1: yourself back. I hate to do it. I don't do
Speaker 1: it unless I have a thing going on, like I'm
Speaker 1: preparing for something. In general, I won't do it, but
Speaker 1: it is kind of crucial when you're like putting an
Speaker 1: hour together. Just yeah, just to remember certain tags that
Speaker 1: you're not gonna remember, you know, just beats and stuff that,
Speaker 1: and just also kind of trying to figure out those segways.
Speaker 1: It's comportant to like hear yourself to kind of figure
Speaker 1: out like, oh, this is where I was trying to go,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, that's beautiful, that's perfect. I always, I
Speaker 1: always whenever I see myself back, I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: pausing a lot. I noticed that, Like what feels like
Speaker 1: waiting for like some things to subside. Actually it's just
Speaker 1: like you're not But for you, is that bad? Well,
Speaker 1: when you're trying to put a special together, I would
Speaker 1: imagine want to feel really tight. Yeah, I think you
Speaker 1: want to. I don't even know if they'll see I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's I think that's more of a
Speaker 1: like a late night spot. Well, especially you want a
Speaker 1: little breathing. You wanted to breathe a little bit. You
Speaker 1: want to sit in moments you don't want to feel,
Speaker 1: you know, but you want everything to be funny. But
Speaker 1: I think you do have a little more opportunity to
Speaker 1: like sit in spaces with stuff. And I feel like
Speaker 1: I gotta get to the next. You gotta get to
Speaker 1: the next, gotta get to the day, because you can
Speaker 1: cut a round it if you go over or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't even think the time. I
Speaker 1: don't really think about time anyway. It's just like when
Speaker 1: I'm done talking, that's when it will be done, you
Speaker 1: know what, Because like if if I got the time
Speaker 1: in my head, that's just another layer of ship to
Speaker 1: make me like go crazy over that really doesn't matter anyway.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like even I don't even care
Speaker 1: if the ship lives at forty five, like it's a
Speaker 1: good forty five, then it's a good forty five, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like, if it's good and it
Speaker 1: does what it's supposed to do, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: trip over fifteen minutes. We're not gonna trop over five minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go up and talk until I have
Speaker 1: nothing else to say. And I feel like it's complete.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Who's whose specials have you
Speaker 1: seen recently that you've been like, Okay, they did it
Speaker 1: the right way. Oh man, I don't watch specials. I'm WEIRDO. No,
Speaker 1: I don't watch a lot of special I don't like
Speaker 1: to see a lot of people's stuff and then be
Speaker 1: like influence or even feel like, oh now that I
Speaker 1: heard Dahls trends that I can't do anything like It's
Speaker 1: just gives you your head. So I just try to
Speaker 1: keep my space from stuff like that. I did watch
Speaker 1: special because its Chappelle. I'm not gonna not watch it.
Speaker 1: And I watched like Rocks tam Marine, and I would say,
Speaker 1: like out of like a person that kind of did
Speaker 1: a first special that I admired. Their first special was thought,
Speaker 1: this is on the level of what I want mine
Speaker 1: to feel like. It may not be exactly that, may
Speaker 1: not have that full circle nous that this special head,
Speaker 1: but it should feel like a moment like that. It was.
Speaker 1: I for sure it was probably one of the best
Speaker 1: psons I saw in the last five six Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was. It was so good. It's just
Speaker 1: so good. It was so good. She just like seamlessly.
Speaker 1: I keep watching that one back Baby Kerber, and I
Speaker 1: watched the intro where she just like slips into it.
Speaker 1: She's just like, Okay, I gotta get out of here
Speaker 1: because I have to pass what I haven't focusing on
Speaker 1: the the beginning, It's like, how do I want this
Speaker 1: party to kick off? You know, because I do wanted
Speaker 1: to feel that way, just like Casual. I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like I wanted to start in the middle. Yes,
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, see how that feels. So yeah,
Speaker 1: that was like the pieces now the end out, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like the middle's all there. It's like how
Speaker 1: am I going to get in? And saying how am
Speaker 1: I going to get out of this thing? Right? Right? Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm a dimas. Did you record it already or did
Speaker 1: you shoot it? No? You're about to February February, and
Speaker 1: where's that happening? Atlanta? Atlanta? And that's going to be
Speaker 1: I think really like, how involved did you get to
Speaker 1: be with Netflix? I mean it's probably a network specific thing,
Speaker 1: but like you're you're gonna be editing this thing yourself too, Yeah,
Speaker 1: enough to know that they're doing what I want done,
Speaker 1: you know for sure, which will be awful because that
Speaker 1: means I have to watch myself, which is gonna sae.
Speaker 1: I think you get better at it though I used to.
Speaker 1: I just don't like watching myself. It sucks. I don't
Speaker 1: do it. I don't watch anything. I don't watch anything.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch my Netflix with Teen, I didn't watch
Speaker 1: my com s half hour. I don't watch TV appearance,
Speaker 1: I don't watch shows that. I don't watch broad City,
Speaker 1: I don't watch any Yeah, like I make it in
Speaker 1: the same way I feel like, because is it because
Speaker 1: you feel like you're doing comedy all the time that
Speaker 1: it's not something you want to be like, Yeah, Also
Speaker 1: it's there's nothing I can do. So if I watch
Speaker 1: it and it's just like I put myself, you're not
Speaker 1: going to but I can't do it, it's over, you know,
Speaker 1: Like what I don't just mental health really it's the
Speaker 1: healthy thing totally. Is there any purpose around watching it
Speaker 1: so that the next time you do something it will
Speaker 1: be like different or something or no. I mean it's
Speaker 1: like I know the ship I did up there, I
Speaker 1: know what felt want. Yeah, because you know what's going
Speaker 1: on now? Though, is that I taught Chris how to
Speaker 1: use fine cuts, so we use this app at work
Speaker 1: where after a sketch is blocked, or after after it rehearses,
Speaker 1: it immediately gets uploaded to the server and then to
Speaker 1: this app where you can just pull it up, pull
Speaker 1: up like a video recording by day by sketch, by
Speaker 1: rehearsal or whatever stage it's at. And Chris and I
Speaker 1: are just in our dressing rooms, sitting across from each other, silent,
Speaker 1: watching ourselves back on this like just constantly, constantly, constantly
Speaker 1: just like fix things because I think we need to.
Speaker 1: But it's also like I don't know what this is
Speaker 1: going to do to my mental health long term. I
Speaker 1: mean I think it's like if you're like a sketch performer,
Speaker 1: there's probably one need to do that. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. I mean it's like it's like
Speaker 1: I don't know what then am I going to watch
Speaker 1: on stage? And I like the way I walked to
Speaker 1: the last Yeah? Is it hard with like the blocking
Speaker 1: of it all at us? And know, like is it
Speaker 1: weird with the cuke? I literally like is it? Is
Speaker 1: it a weird state of being? It's just it's just
Speaker 1: super technical and like it's I used to watch and
Speaker 1: it was just too crazy. Man. I just remember being
Speaker 1: stuff like all you say and too much and then
Speaker 1: like yeah, why you why are you touching your face
Speaker 1: right there? It's just like just being so you're watching
Speaker 1: yourself be just not like it's not like you're playing
Speaker 1: a character where it's like, oh I could have done
Speaker 1: this and hit that beat a little bit harder of
Speaker 1: the sketch. It's like you're watching yourself exist, so you're
Speaker 1: going to critique your own existence. For me, it's not
Speaker 1: a thing. For me. It's just watching myself and seeing
Speaker 1: through the bullshit and like the artifice. And I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't do that in my normal life. Why am
Speaker 1: I like adding this affect? Am I like doing? Why
Speaker 1: am I touching my face? Like like I don't do
Speaker 1: that ship normally maybe a little, I'm healthy, I think
Speaker 1: not when you're describing it it's good and bad. I
Speaker 1: just think I'm at a place where I'm past doing that,
Speaker 1: and I'm just kind of like cool, how I am,
Speaker 1: and like it's it's just gonna be what it is. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I will say hearing Sam Jay laugh in any scenario,
Speaker 1: but especially at Wednesdays at read throughs, it's like that's
Speaker 1: like the best laugh in the whole room. Truly. I
Speaker 1: don't I hear you like I hear you like do
Speaker 1: like the high pitched snicker, like like I'm like Sam
Speaker 1: is laughing, like fucking I'm like, okay, great, this is
Speaker 1: this is good, Like we're going. I love when it's fun.
Speaker 1: I love I'm laughing. Sometimes I'm like happier when nothing
Speaker 1: I have nothing in the first half, or like I
Speaker 1: just like to get myself out the way, or like
Speaker 1: it's closer to the end, I can just like chill
Speaker 1: and listen to the read just be like entertained. The
Speaker 1: worst is when you have something in the second half.
Speaker 1: How long is it all together at the table? Three
Speaker 1: and a half hour? Serious? Each each half is like
Speaker 1: five minute break in between. Yeah, and you really are
Speaker 1: like winded, like on either side both as a writer.
Speaker 1: And how are you feeling at the table now? Right?
Speaker 1: That's so different, it's so different. The first I was
Speaker 1: so proud of you. I was like, it was really fun,
Speaker 1: it was fun. And then I'm killing it. Thanks babe. Um.
Speaker 1: That means a lot because the feedback is most important
Speaker 1: to the people who know what the people that are like, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's with you. Yeah, thanks babe. Um snacks, like do
Speaker 1: you eat the snacks at the table? Oh? Everyone eats
Speaker 1: two snacks. I was just I eat some of them.
Speaker 1: Some of it's crazy. Some of it's like like this
Speaker 1: weird chicken wrap that looks like it's been out for days.
Speaker 1: Chicken wrap is bad, and people eat the chicken wrap,
Speaker 1: which I think is insane because that thing looks wild.
Speaker 1: Like also good services. Hope you're not listening. There's also
Speaker 1: good candy, and there's like you know, fruit and like yeah,
Speaker 1: just like whenever, whenever, like that gets posted on the Instagram,
Speaker 1: like this the actual spread. It's like that looks like
Speaker 1: a fucking feast of like appetizers. It's the table is
Speaker 1: covered and there's some weird meat on a stick that
Speaker 1: just be out too. That looks super that's out on
Speaker 1: a stick that's out is not. It's just none of
Speaker 1: it looks like it came from anywhere. That's it just appears,
Speaker 1: And you're like, I don't really know where items come from.
Speaker 1: Where was the story right? Where was the story? Where
Speaker 1: was it made? There's really no outside the room in
Speaker 1: the hallway, there's just like a table full of like roast,
Speaker 1: like someone will get cats or like tacos and just
Speaker 1: like throw it in the hall and for some reason
Speaker 1: it's separate from all the other stuff. Anyway, this is,
Speaker 1: this is, it's all cold. None of it's table to
Speaker 1: the table with the three and a half, I know,
Speaker 1: But then I'm so I'm in Leslie's old seat. And
Speaker 1: Leslie would bring like specific snacks that like all her
Speaker 1: all her table neighbors would eat, like so Kyle, Heidi
Speaker 1: and eighty would all like eat from Leslie's snacks she brought,
Speaker 1: like those giant cinnamon gummy beer she brought, like like
Speaker 1: spicy cheese that she brought, like all these like wacky
Speaker 1: but good things. At least you know, it's like store bought.
Speaker 1: It's from the actual package happening. So we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna revive it. Anyway, Leslie such a present. Leslie was
Speaker 1: such like a present. It's her absence, felt I think,
Speaker 1: so yeah yeah yeah, but um, anyway, it's that that's
Speaker 1: like the table reads not situation for now. Um. I
Speaker 1: was wondering if it's like a bunch of actors who
Speaker 1: are like scared to touch the food because it's a test,
Speaker 1: like the host ever housing the food because Lauren is
Speaker 1: just like reaching over all the time. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: Mamma is always on the table, is on the table,
Speaker 1: wh when I'm consulted, if I'm part of, if I'm
Speaker 1: party to the decision. Wow, are you excited that it's
Speaker 1: Did you pick that it was in Atlanta? Ga Um?
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do it in Boston because I
Speaker 1: was worried because because what's your relationship with Boston? Your
Speaker 1: from Boston? Yeah, but like family was there. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just thought it. I grew up there my whole life,
Speaker 1: so I just thought it was going to be too much. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just hard to balance. And it's like my first one.
Speaker 1: I already know I'm going to be in my head
Speaker 1: a bit, you know, and I just need space to
Speaker 1: like create, And I just felt like it was just
Speaker 1: gonna be too many friends, too many family, too much access,
Speaker 1: just too much, too much, too much, you got to
Speaker 1: get the mix. Um. Whereas in Atlanta, I lived for
Speaker 1: a long time, you know, I went down there for
Speaker 1: college and stayed, so it still feels like home. I
Speaker 1: still have friends and it's not too far that like family,
Speaker 1: who gives the ship enough can fly there or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, but it will eliminate some of that, like
Speaker 1: no ways of just and dos and whoever that winning
Speaker 1: you know in Boston can just walk up the street,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. So and it plus, it's a black city,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to I wanted a good amount of
Speaker 1: black people in the audience. Um, especially with the type
Speaker 1: of material I do. I don't ever wanted to come
Speaker 1: off as if I only play it to a sou
Speaker 1: That was important. And Atlanta is very gay and black,
Speaker 1: which is also super important to me to just have
Speaker 1: myself represented in the audience, you know. Um, and that's
Speaker 1: really why that's a huge deal. That's that's perfect, that's
Speaker 1: a great that's a great comedy city. We didn't I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey there And it was, yeah, do
Speaker 1: you like Boston like culturally, like do you like being there?
Speaker 1: That's a tough ques. That's tough to get asked atown. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's it's like it is bad for certain for
Speaker 1: like obvious reasons this racist and stuff like that, but
Speaker 1: it's also like where I grew up, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, And so like there's also a whole black
Speaker 1: culture that doesn't really get explode or or talked about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved you know, and it was my whole family
Speaker 1: was there, so it's like it was home for me.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's a lot of its home. It's
Speaker 1: the things I grew up with. You know. It's not racism,
Speaker 1: but that was definitely a part aware that that goes on.
Speaker 1: But I don't even know if it's more racist than
Speaker 1: any place else. And I feel like it's so weird
Speaker 1: when people say, like Boston, it's like, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know if I felt, you know, more racist than
Speaker 1: New York, more racist than you know, Yeah, every get
Speaker 1: a very like patriarchal energy from Boston where it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like whenever I think of Boston and I
Speaker 1: let my mind go, it's kind of like I feel
Speaker 1: like I picture like, and this is not fair, but like, oh,
Speaker 1: drunk white dude screaming in the streets. Like it's kind
Speaker 1: of like that's an accurate frame for it. It is
Speaker 1: a very white town, and I guess that is the
Speaker 1: racism that's different than other places is it's a very white,
Speaker 1: like institution type town. So they do like push black
Speaker 1: people to the corner of the city. You wouldn't really
Speaker 1: know that the city had a black identity if you
Speaker 1: didn't know where to go to find it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, you just assume it's all back Bay,
Speaker 1: you know, colleges and stuff. So I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a good it's a love hate thing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get you. Here's what And I don't know if this
Speaker 1: is just like a lazy way of thinking. I feel
Speaker 1: like every city in America like just contains multitudes and
Speaker 1: that's it, like truly, like everywhere you go, like and
Speaker 1: especially like Matt and I travel last year and probably
Speaker 1: you like from touring. It's like I go to different
Speaker 1: places and I'm like surprised at like, oh, how similar,
Speaker 1: Like how the common themes are all of the like
Speaker 1: truly like across the board, like everywhere, like all these
Speaker 1: places are like for better for worse, Like the themes
Speaker 1: are all they're consistent where it's like, okay, so this
Speaker 1: is the neighborhood that's getting gentrified. Yeah you see it,
Speaker 1: which is weird because like that's the truth what they say,
Speaker 1: like traveling makes the world so small. Yeah oh and
Speaker 1: you made a face like yeah, it's like but it's
Speaker 1: like going to like because I'm going to every city
Speaker 1: now and everywhere every place tells me, like the locals
Speaker 1: will come up to me and be like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: Houston or Portland or Chicago or blank or blank, or
Speaker 1: like we have a really bad history of segregation. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess so every city has a bad America. That's America.
Speaker 1: It's not unique to like these Yea. It was. There
Speaker 1: was no like place where they were like, we're not
Speaker 1: doing it. Yea. Like now everyone was kind of doing
Speaker 1: it at that point. Ye So yeah, that's what it was.
Speaker 1: It's like sucking Atlanta now, Like my sister's like in
Speaker 1: Dunwoodie where it's like she's with all the fucking white
Speaker 1: people and that's great and like she's they're happy there.
Speaker 1: But it's like I whenever I go to Atlanta, I
Speaker 1: don't I just go straight like north to fucking you know,
Speaker 1: and you see a whole another Atlanta that someone was
Speaker 1: in the right, and I'm like, oh, I would I
Speaker 1: would like want to sort of get like like a
Speaker 1: good sampling of all of this, And like that's why
Speaker 1: I like I try to like go to like Midtown
Speaker 1: every now and then when I when I'm there, or
Speaker 1: just like when Matt and I were there. We just
Speaker 1: that there's like gays in everything, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's just weird. Like whenever when we went to we
Speaker 1: didn't like, um like when we do. We went to
Speaker 1: Texas and did shows there, and people showed up for
Speaker 1: the shows. I was like, Oh, cool, they're out here.
Speaker 1: And then honestly, it's like, because our show has like
Speaker 1: thirty comics on it and it's majority like women, people
Speaker 1: of color and LGBT people, and it's just it's oh,
Speaker 1: it's always just interesting that there there's like a scene there,
Speaker 1: But there's not like an active scene in every city.
Speaker 1: And so that's something I think we take for granted.
Speaker 1: In New York. It's like these shows aren't just popping
Speaker 1: up everywhere. So I guess I'm curious about like that
Speaker 1: also not to be this person, but I also thinks
Speaker 1: something that white men take for grant. Yeah, it's very
Speaker 1: hard to find active black gay scenes anywhere, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like even in like it's like Atlanta
Speaker 1: has one. Even in New York, it's not really like
Speaker 1: it's not out there. It's Boston. So it's like, if
Speaker 1: you do want a party, you have to go out
Speaker 1: with the white gays and mostly white gay men and
Speaker 1: that's just gonna be the vibe. And then there's like
Speaker 1: four like especially hard for lesbians because we don't even
Speaker 1: go outside, so we have a whole another thing that
Speaker 1: deal with, which is like insane. I know. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like that I'm glad I'm in a relationship now
Speaker 1: and like me and y'all will go hang. But like
Speaker 1: when I was out here just trying to be like
Speaker 1: single dyking, it was miserable. Like even when lesbians go out,
Speaker 1: we couple out, we go out couple there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of like single lesbian scenes, like hookup scenes, except
Speaker 1: for Atlanta. Except for Atlanta, describe it. Atlanta is just
Speaker 1: it's like what you would think. Atlanta is just gate
Speaker 1: so it's like the same stuff. It's like booty music
Speaker 1: is like you know what I mean, Like it's like
Speaker 1: trap music. It's you know, old and don't some stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and like that's what the club will play
Speaker 1: and just white play with people listening on the radio,
Speaker 1: but it'll just be like, oh, lesbians is the first
Speaker 1: city I have experienced that we could go to a
Speaker 1: club that called like three D people and it'll be
Speaker 1: full of black Lesbian, and it was like, Okay, everyone
Speaker 1: in here is like available to fun. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah that that you're you're describing that, and it's like,
Speaker 1: and I'm sorry to say this from from my own
Speaker 1: fucking loves, but that sounds so rare. It is like
Speaker 1: just like where you can like listen to Megan a
Speaker 1: Stallion and have a to like twerk on you and
Speaker 1: be like yes, oh my god. Exactly, and that it
Speaker 1: was into like a weird house version. Yeah exactly. It
Speaker 1: just is what it is, what it is. Let music
Speaker 1: be the music really really quickly have to say before
Speaker 1: but I do want to keep talking about this, but
Speaker 1: I do have to say that Sam J is the
Speaker 1: reason why I listen to Megan in Stallions. Really yeah,
Speaker 1: brought it to me. Tinas now had just come out
Speaker 1: and and Sam comes over to me. She goes, I
Speaker 1: think you'd really like Megan the Stallions, Like great, And
Speaker 1: then I listened to listen to it. You're like, listen
Speaker 1: to it, freak. I was like great. I listened to it.
Speaker 1: I was like, freak, this is sucking insane. And then
Speaker 1: she when she was on when Chance was house staying,
Speaker 1: I told I went up to Megan, I was like, um, whatever,
Speaker 1: writers sam Jay told me about you and I and
Speaker 1: she was like I was like, oh great, and I
Speaker 1: told you what she said. She was like, she was like,
Speaker 1: I saw you guys on the TV. It looks so fun.
Speaker 1: And I was like, She's like, she's like, I want
Speaker 1: to do this. I was like, you should. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: I did you get to meet her when she was
Speaker 1: there her? You did you see her like in person? Though? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: are like walking around the hottest person I've ever seen me, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she is stunning, stunning, stunning, Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I won't even let me watch her on the TV. Wow. Really,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Okay, have you guys been together? Oh man,
Speaker 1: we've been like sucking around off and off for ten
Speaker 1: Really you guys meet again. You told me my friend's
Speaker 1: car broke down in front of her house. He didn't
Speaker 1: tell me. I didn't know about this. You didn't. Wait,
Speaker 1: what is that story? We were leaving the club and
Speaker 1: we were like we were it was like a big
Speaker 1: group of us and she was like a part, like
Speaker 1: a satellite part of that group SA in the club
Speaker 1: and then my friend got to fight black lesbian Atlanta drama.
Speaker 1: My friend got to fight with a girl. Her girl
Speaker 1: smacked her in the club. It was a whole thing.
Speaker 1: So they were like fighting all the way out the club.
Speaker 1: So me and my homie were following our homie who
Speaker 1: was fighting their girl. They and the girl that they
Speaker 1: were fighting was Yaw's homie. So then they were like
Speaker 1: argue in front of our's house and then they took
Speaker 1: off together. We were like, okay, they're crazy whatever, and
Speaker 1: we pulled out to leave and we hit a curb
Speaker 1: because my friend, Goose was high. Uh we hit a curb.
Speaker 1: Goose hit a curb. Blue tire out um and we
Speaker 1: were just sitting out there way and I had a
Speaker 1: girlfriend at the time. We were waiting on my girlfriend
Speaker 1: to come pick us up, and y'all came back downstairs
Speaker 1: because she had seen us sitting on the curb and
Speaker 1: she was like, if you guys want some water or
Speaker 1: something like that. So her she was like, you don't
Speaker 1: gotta sit out here, you know it's hot. So we
Speaker 1: went up and she was just talked to us in
Speaker 1: the kitchen and she had a girl at the time,
Speaker 1: and I was just like enamored. I was was for
Speaker 1: sure she has a quality. She definitely Bo's got her
Speaker 1: number on some let's be friends and I'll hang out.
Speaker 1: And I was like, Goose, I like that girl, so
Speaker 1: we would like Goose would have raised these hangs and
Speaker 1: we would just be hanging. And then one day you
Speaker 1: drunk at a club. I said something very forward. How
Speaker 1: long the friend? This was maybe like a week, like
Speaker 1: a week or we're gonna st Yeah, I said some
Speaker 1: super forward. She was receptive. She heard me, may go
Speaker 1: to our house. Well, first we were talking on the phone.
Speaker 1: I still had a girlfriend. I was being I was
Speaker 1: such a dog when I was in such a dog.
Speaker 1: So I still a girlfriend. And then she was like, um,
Speaker 1: why don't you have a girlfriend? I was like, who
Speaker 1: says I did? But I think she kind of liked
Speaker 1: my boat and that's about it. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: I said that that would that would like that. That's
Speaker 1: super hot. That the fact that you said that very
Speaker 1: very honestly, yeah, because no one just says what they mean.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I said that, and I told her that
Speaker 1: I wanted her to be my mistress. I was just,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I was actually the same thing that Like,
Speaker 1: I was just on my supermack and you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and then and then we linked up like
Speaker 1: two days later, and then we did it. And then
Speaker 1: I called my girlfriend that night and dumped her, I know,
Speaker 1: which was terrible. That not good. It was the whole thing.
Speaker 1: Does she know why or you were just like for
Speaker 1: reasons I will not disclose. I was just like I
Speaker 1: didn't go into all of it, but she was kind
Speaker 1: of aware of what I'm saying. And but I like,
Speaker 1: once we had sex, I was like, I'm gonna want
Speaker 1: to do this all the time. That's great. But then
Speaker 1: but then didn't still have a girl at this time. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: she had broken up with her girl that we were
Speaker 1: like being friends, they had things, so they were kind
Speaker 1: of already on the outs, I guess, um, so she
Speaker 1: was out here just banling, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: just like chased her around for years like a like
Speaker 1: an idiot. Um. And then we stopped talking for a bit.
Speaker 1: I got married. Then we happen to be in New
Speaker 1: York at the same time. I saw each other in
Speaker 1: New York and then I was like, I still love
Speaker 1: this girl. That's just ridiculous. Still try to make my
Speaker 1: marriage where it did it and now here we are
Speaker 1: when when I met you at j f L. Is
Speaker 1: that when you were going through a divorce. I was
Speaker 1: like on the ends of it. Yes, yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: you talked about that a lot in your set. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the sip of the rose is happening. But that's I mean,
Speaker 1: what you two have is like so special. You can
Speaker 1: tell however, man, she's like truly my best friend. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's just such a good like she's like she's
Speaker 1: she has a light that I don't, which is so dope.
Speaker 1: It's just like her energy is so pure and like big,
Speaker 1: like she has a big heart for like everybody. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's dope, is she? Um? Does she watch a lot
Speaker 1: of your stuff? She goes to like every show. She
Speaker 1: could she go to every show, but she goes to
Speaker 1: a lot shows. But you know, it's so dope. Like
Speaker 1: I used to be so resistant of it because, um,
Speaker 1: I was so protective of comedy and like I felt
Speaker 1: like it was mine and I didn't want anyone in.
Speaker 1: And she says, why don't you, like, you know, let
Speaker 1: me in more? And I'm like, I don't really know
Speaker 1: what you mean by that, but really I was like
Speaker 1: being so guarded with her, And now like she goes
Speaker 1: to shows and stuff, and she impresses the hell out
Speaker 1: of me because she loves me that much and she
Speaker 1: pays into that much, and she knows jokes. So sometimes
Speaker 1: when I change stuff, she she knows. She knows when
Speaker 1: I change things, or she'll like remembers something that set
Speaker 1: and be like, Babe, you know that would work with
Speaker 1: the thing you said to days ago, and it's like
Speaker 1: it would be truly super healthy. They're good, and they're
Speaker 1: like super revel because she's really paying attention and also
Speaker 1: she knows you so well, so she can feel when
Speaker 1: something out of right. And one time, I remember I
Speaker 1: was on stage. I was on stage and I was talking, talking, talking, talking, talking,
Speaker 1: and it's on tape somewhere, which she loves. She loves
Speaker 1: these documented I saved the day moments. But I was
Speaker 1: gonna stage talking and I forgot where I was going.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I totally forgot where I was going,
Speaker 1: and y'all yelled out like apple sauce, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that was where I was going. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I was doing a new set. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: was doing a like we teacher see before. I was
Speaker 1: doing a new set. But she just knew like process
Speaker 1: that was the next logical spot for don't you know?
Speaker 1: It was crazy and it was like that is exactly
Speaker 1: what I was about to go. What does she do?
Speaker 1: She's in interior designer. Oh nice, she's very good. She's
Speaker 1: very good and kind of visual. I remember Sam and
Speaker 1: I did a photoshoop one time and she was just
Speaker 1: out there. She was just like fixing, like where things
Speaker 1: were sad and like she was she was she was
Speaker 1: not fixing fixing. She's great like that. You know people
Speaker 1: with that. It's like yeah, yeah, and she's like such
Speaker 1: a good partner. Yeah, and it's interesting that you're like
Speaker 1: before like I didn't. I was very protective of that
Speaker 1: and like of my of my work, and I didn't
Speaker 1: think I would let anyone in, especially a significant other.
Speaker 1: But it's like, what's the alternative? Would would the alternative
Speaker 1: just be that, like yeah, like wouldn't be I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have any investment in like what your work was. And
Speaker 1: then like she's totally separate from like what you mean?
Speaker 1: You know, like I don't know because I didn't grow
Speaker 1: up seeing any example of it. Yeah, just both had
Speaker 1: jobs and they come home and then they goes, both
Speaker 1: go to jobs. So it was like with this thing
Speaker 1: and and also like protective because it truly saved my
Speaker 1: fucking life in a way, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So so like guarded with how that energies being messed with,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so I never really
Speaker 1: seen examples of how you like let someone into something
Speaker 1: so personal because I didn't grow up seeing that type
Speaker 1: of energy. So it was just I just felt like
Speaker 1: that's I do this, and then are what we do
Speaker 1: is what we do, you know? And I didn't get
Speaker 1: why she was pushing, but it was like she was
Speaker 1: pushing because she's like this is so important. That's how
Speaker 1: do you expect me to be fully out of something
Speaker 1: that matters to you so much as stand up is
Speaker 1: not super collaborative anyway from else be and you don't
Speaker 1: want to get your girls my girls tags like baby,
Speaker 1: but that's not what we just had to learn like
Speaker 1: a language, and like that's not what she does. She
Speaker 1: doesn't give me tags, you know, be like don't forget
Speaker 1: that piece or don't drop that or why don't you
Speaker 1: say that? And sometimes it's like because I completely forgot
Speaker 1: I said it, or oh because of reason, but It's
Speaker 1: also is good to have someone that I trust that
Speaker 1: much to download in because now I talked to her
Speaker 1: like I call her after sets at the celler in
Speaker 1: the cab and be like, yeah, that thing did work
Speaker 1: bad but it didn't or I don't know. I was
Speaker 1: a little frustrated with this part of it. And it's
Speaker 1: like before I would just keep all that stuff in
Speaker 1: and then she's feeling that energy. She feels that that's
Speaker 1: on me when I come home and I'm not sharing something,
Speaker 1: and that makes her feel isolated. You know, I just
Speaker 1: had to learn how I think. Man, it's just alive.
Speaker 1: Is gonna grow up in real loving households, and you
Speaker 1: don't realize that to you out in the world. So
Speaker 1: it's like I just had to learn how to let
Speaker 1: someone love me, because that's really all she was trying
Speaker 1: to do. And even if it's like I don't like it,
Speaker 1: I can vocalize that. We vocal about that, but I
Speaker 1: gotta let her love me. You know what, what are
Speaker 1: we doing? I think that the ideal is someone that
Speaker 1: does it, like because she does her own thing and
Speaker 1: it is creative and like she is obviously very creative
Speaker 1: and does have that love for you and she gets it,
Speaker 1: you know. That's the thing is like in my relationship now,
Speaker 1: it's like he does not do what I do, but
Speaker 1: he does get it and can help and say likewise.
Speaker 1: And that is like ideally what you want, is it?
Speaker 1: It should feel like like the pieces come together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But when you don't have all that, like if you're
Speaker 1: not seeing examples of that, you know, you're like, I'm
Speaker 1: doing I did this communy thing on my own. This
Speaker 1: is me, you know what I mean, and you're coming
Speaker 1: with that energy. Then it's like someone's like, hey, let
Speaker 1: me tell you what I think, or just you're like, no,
Speaker 1: this is mine, you know what I mean. And at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you are the I guess
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, like if there were
Speaker 1: to be credits, you would still be the creator, executive
Speaker 1: producer of the project. That is you. So it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, it's just a piece that
Speaker 1: supplements the whole. And also you know for sure that
Speaker 1: it's coming from a good, positive, loving place. It's not.
Speaker 1: It's not this thing where it's like I have to
Speaker 1: question the motive. Yeah, but it was like I just
Speaker 1: had to let my guard. That's what she was giving, like, hey, babe,
Speaker 1: I have an idea right here. I'm like taken offense
Speaker 1: to that, Like, oh, you think you could tell me
Speaker 1: how to do That's not where this energy is coming
Speaker 1: from it. Oh like, so let it be pure because
Speaker 1: it is pure, you're putting impurities in it. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: doesn't take away from your credibility at all. You know, Wait,
Speaker 1: where were you going to school for? I went to
Speaker 1: school for communications. I went to school for Then you
Speaker 1: go to school fool when you want to go to
Speaker 1: school that when you don't want to be there. Before
Speaker 1: before you you wanted to do comedy. What was did
Speaker 1: you have like any great? I was just doing a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Man. I was party promoting in Atlanta
Speaker 1: for a while, and then I worked in music and
Speaker 1: at like four or five years I got this team
Speaker 1: people and started like as this independent label. We opened
Speaker 1: up a studio. I was just doing stuff, trying to
Speaker 1: figure out. But there's like an abundance of that, what
Speaker 1: the hell go on? I think a lot of people have,
Speaker 1: But I genuinely think we all go to college to
Speaker 1: fucking early. I really think, like I've seen it happened
Speaker 1: so many times people that just they they're in these
Speaker 1: schools and they're paying the money, and you, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you. I think it's a very The percentage
Speaker 1: of people that actually know what they want to do
Speaker 1: or feel like they're okay to say what they want
Speaker 1: to do at eighteen years old very small. And then
Speaker 1: it's even harder, like when you're coming from these communities,
Speaker 1: I don't have access to stuffmation. So it's like, now,
Speaker 1: like I'm a comedy writer, right, I remember being a
Speaker 1: person was interested in communy as a kid. I like
Speaker 1: to write, you know what I'm saying. But when I
Speaker 1: think about, like, who is going to point me in
Speaker 1: that direction? In my family and my school system, any
Speaker 1: of that to the point where I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that was the thing you could do. I know, understanding
Speaker 1: you could be that or go to school for that,
Speaker 1: but none of that for me. I thought you just
Speaker 1: accidentally became those type of things, you know, like you
Speaker 1: just got lucky and in life just kind of worked
Speaker 1: out for you. But I didn't know there was like
Speaker 1: a career path to it because I didn't have access
Speaker 1: to that information. You know what I'm saying, Will you
Speaker 1: forget that people write that ship? You know, what I
Speaker 1: mean as a kid you're watching and you're like, these
Speaker 1: are the actors doing it. It must be some it
Speaker 1: must be simpler, even on a level like once I
Speaker 1: was in high school stuff and I'm like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think I want to be a TV writer. In my
Speaker 1: neighbor it wasn't a lot of like how to get
Speaker 1: to that, even like a guidance counselor at that school
Speaker 1: would be like, but I don't know, because it's not
Speaker 1: like what do you you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it's like, at the end of the day, now I
Speaker 1: write versonnel and it's such a roundabout way that I
Speaker 1: got here, and now that I'm a fullgrown person, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I live in a city. I live in Boston, Dude,
Speaker 1: Emerson is the number one comedy writing school maybe in
Speaker 1: the country, and it was up the street from my
Speaker 1: house and I didn't even know you could go to
Speaker 1: school to do something. But then it's not even no
Speaker 1: idea that was even But then you know, it's not
Speaker 1: even a geographical gap. It's truly So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It's like people think it's like, oh, no, man,
Speaker 1: I lived there. And I'm sure that these other more
Speaker 1: established systems, we're having kids whom mmr sancom talk or
Speaker 1: if those kids that had that type of interest, they
Speaker 1: were creating clubs and stuff for these kids to do.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I just didn't live in
Speaker 1: a neighborhood would know access later. You know, this is
Speaker 1: this is a little bit of a sidebar, but recently
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris said she wants she wants to She's like
Speaker 1: championing a school the school school day go to six pm.
Speaker 1: The school would start at the same time and it
Speaker 1: would go to six pm. And I don't necessarily know
Speaker 1: the nuts and bolts are why this is happening, but
Speaker 1: I was watching it get discussed on TV, and I
Speaker 1: was thinking about it, and I was like, this is
Speaker 1: such a kind of weird thing to mandate for everyone,
Speaker 1: because when you have certain school systems that do not
Speaker 1: have the kinds of um opportunities in school or like
Speaker 1: areas in school some like not every school has like
Speaker 1: a schoolyard, not every school has like this that the
Speaker 1: other things so that they can be doing extra crickets
Speaker 1: at the school. So I feel like it's kind of
Speaker 1: fully and you also the fully like revamped school in
Speaker 1: a way. Yes, like I went to I went to
Speaker 1: a progressive, weird charter school and we did day in
Speaker 1: school to like six, but not by mandate. It was
Speaker 1: just kind of a structure after school. It was it
Speaker 1: was open, you know. The school was just like we're
Speaker 1: never gonna close. Like the principle was so dedicated to
Speaker 1: the community he was want to do like he wouldn't
Speaker 1: leave to the last student left, and a lot of
Speaker 1: students would hang around. And it's not a bad idea
Speaker 1: in the sense that a lot of kids are going
Speaker 1: with parents and jobs stuff, they're going home and nothing
Speaker 1: to be alone or if there stre to it having
Speaker 1: you know, maybe not just straight curriculum. But and that's
Speaker 1: what happened, Like clubs started being made just by students
Speaker 1: because we would be there and teachers would be like
Speaker 1: hanging out and noticed that students hanging out, Like clubs
Speaker 1: started very organically, things started to create, Like to your school,
Speaker 1: they would extend right right, you're saying, that's what happened
Speaker 1: to your school. I think it's like it's it's a
Speaker 1: very it's it's a positive idea to say going to
Speaker 1: make school the community and that's exactly what the school,
Speaker 1: like the whole base was was that school is the community,
Speaker 1: and we care about you beyond just what's going on
Speaker 1: with you in this building. And they recognized the need
Speaker 1: for that in that type of neighborhood. Yes, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it was such a it changed
Speaker 1: my life. It saved my life. That was another moment
Speaker 1: where my life was saying, you know, my mama died.
Speaker 1: I was spiraling and I remember going to the principal,
Speaker 1: David Pearago. I remember just being over it. Bro. I
Speaker 1: was getting kept back, bro, because I wasn't in school
Speaker 1: my mom and all that, and it's hard to feel.
Speaker 1: I was just feeling like fuck it. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: went to him and I was like, yeah, I'm dropping out.
Speaker 1: I was eighteen. I was like, I ain't coming back
Speaker 1: and I'm dropping out, bro, like I need whatever. It's
Speaker 1: like you have to get something from them, like sort
Speaker 1: of thing. I'm saying, I'm out of here something. He
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm not let you do that. He said,
Speaker 1: take two weeks think about that. Come back. I went
Speaker 1: back to school because I graduated, but it's like if
Speaker 1: I just went to one of the bigg as high schools, Bro,
Speaker 1: they would have just slid that thing under the thing
Speaker 1: or you know what I mean. It's like, but he
Speaker 1: knew me as a person and knew it and that's important.
Speaker 1: It's so matters did the way school these classrooms and
Speaker 1: these sizes, and it's like non connection to the kid.
Speaker 1: It's so hard for a kid to care about what
Speaker 1: you're saying, bro, when they're when their circumstances are so limited,
Speaker 1: and if you don't understand that, you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: able to reach them just saying crazy ship to them.
Speaker 1: You're saying, like you you need to really give a
Speaker 1: funk about this algebra today, And they're like, Bro, I
Speaker 1: don't have food. People don't get that. People circumstances. I
Speaker 1: don't have food, or I don't know where I'm gonna sleep,
Speaker 1: or I don't know how I'm gonna clean my clothes,
Speaker 1: or I don't have we might be evicted tonight. Like
Speaker 1: what are you saying? What are you talking about? What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Like I can't even give zero
Speaker 1: funks about this. And there's a lot of teachers, teaching
Speaker 1: and communities that is the case over and over and
Speaker 1: they're not figuring out how a way to teach that
Speaker 1: kid they're valuable and how their value supersedes their circumstances. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it's so. It sounds so like kind of basic to say,
Speaker 1: but truly education has to come very high on the
Speaker 1: priority list. And I think the class it's the class
Speaker 1: sizes should be trying to be smaller because once these
Speaker 1: class sizes get too big, once you start getting kids
Speaker 1: in the class and you're funneling kids out in forty
Speaker 1: minute periods, boom boom boom, these kids just feel passed
Speaker 1: around and then see other people. It's very hard to
Speaker 1: cultivate individual identity, very hard to feel like people. And
Speaker 1: it's also very hard to recognize for a teacher because
Speaker 1: those that was like another model of that school was
Speaker 1: we were very small classes and we moved through all
Speaker 1: the curriculum together, so you're with like a home group
Speaker 1: of a certain amount of kids and then you would
Speaker 1: just move through every part of your day with those
Speaker 1: um But it's also hard with these larger classes for
Speaker 1: teachers to recognize learning disabilities right and and learning gaps
Speaker 1: because they don't they can't pay attention right right. In
Speaker 1: my school, there was no it was the David's rule
Speaker 1: that there was no track kids, so there was no
Speaker 1: separate classes, especially classes class like that, everybody was just
Speaker 1: in one class. Now that kids sometimes maybe pulled up
Speaker 1: by tutor for our right, but that was so essential
Speaker 1: because so many people are having all these learners because
Speaker 1: they're scared to speak. But it was like in my
Speaker 1: school became less of a thing because they weren't being ostracized,
Speaker 1: isolated and treated like they can't do what we do right.
Speaker 1: And also it's not something you have to then and
Speaker 1: established in a new group of people every day or
Speaker 1: every year. And then it forced us to be more
Speaker 1: respectful of the fact that people learn different and that
Speaker 1: just because you don't learn like me doesn't mean you're
Speaker 1: not intelligence, and it doesn't mean you don't know something.
Speaker 1: We just learned things differently, and we might also just
Speaker 1: learn things at a different pace. All of that is fine,
Speaker 1: but the school did so many things to like drow
Speaker 1: that into us, you know, subconsciously. We didn't have grades,
Speaker 1: we had like learning rulers. We didn't get gays or
Speaker 1: bees or seeds, you know what I mean. You were
Speaker 1: rated on your own work, so you couldn't be like, well,
Speaker 1: I know I did better on this paper than him,
Speaker 1: so why does he have a higher grade than me?
Speaker 1: And at first he used to piss me off, for
Speaker 1: my teacher would be like because he did, because it
Speaker 1: was like exceed expectations. They're like, he did exceed our expectations,
Speaker 1: but you didn't. You was being lazy. We know what
Speaker 1: you're capable of, and you didn't go beyond what you're
Speaker 1: capable of. So you did not exceed. You met it.
Speaker 1: You did what we know you're capable of doing. He
Speaker 1: did something we didn't know he could do it. And
Speaker 1: it's relative, and learning is relative, and it's so hard
Speaker 1: because we're taught to compete. We're taught that it's like
Speaker 1: some type of race and it's not. And that whole
Speaker 1: mindset is how I ended up here because I never
Speaker 1: I never attested to that anymore. It's like, no, you
Speaker 1: do things on your time. Everybody's different. Everyone learns. Experience matters.
Speaker 1: People's experiences affect how they see and learn. That. All
Speaker 1: of that is very true, and so this stuff is
Speaker 1: way more arbitrary than it is important, and it is
Speaker 1: way more fluid than it is rigid. You know, because
Speaker 1: I never think of you as someone who ever thinks
Speaker 1: of yourself as like inadequated anyway, I truly have never
Speaker 1: thought like Sam j just like just has whatever assuredness
Speaker 1: that she has. Well, the thing is, I'm assured in
Speaker 1: the fact that I will have inadequacies. Yes, yes, it's
Speaker 1: like what it is. Bro, Can I ask you when
Speaker 1: did you when did you get in touch with your
Speaker 1: sexual life than anyone? Did you come out? It's I
Speaker 1: came out. I was twenty six really Atlanta, Atlanta. But
Speaker 1: another example of just not knowing I could beat that
Speaker 1: right because I was telling my my friend, we will
Speaker 1: die laughing. I was like, when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: this is why representation matters. The only thing I saw
Speaker 1: of lesbians and I didn't know there wasn't lesbians around me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like outwardly I could tell you lesbian lesbians
Speaker 1: around me, like what lesbians mask sin a lesbian? They
Speaker 1: weren't around me. So all I knew of lesbians was
Speaker 1: to shoot us on TV, which was these like white
Speaker 1: lily fair ladies with like believe in washing. And I
Speaker 1: was like, well, I'm not that. I could easily easily
Speaker 1: threw that out. I easily threw that out. Eight I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's not moving right at home, and also the the
Speaker 1: the mainstream says like, well we have the representative moving
Speaker 1: on you, you know what I mean at that time
Speaker 1: for sure, So I'm like, whatever, that's not me. And
Speaker 1: it's fucking easy to to I don't hate men, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't not attracted to men. So when you're taught
Speaker 1: that that's what you're supposed to do, and then it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this looks good to me. It was like, I'm straight,
Speaker 1: this makes sense to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And I and I had a boyfriend at the time
Speaker 1: when I got around high school age and we stayed
Speaker 1: together like five six years, which is a big development
Speaker 1: for sure, and I loved him, you know, but also
Speaker 1: he was there for me when my mom died. He
Speaker 1: was like around, so I also realized the closeness came
Speaker 1: from other things, right, And of course I didn't not
Speaker 1: like having sex with him, but when we broke up,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, dating around fucking dudes and
Speaker 1: it was just like, h this is not This isn't
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on, but this isn't it.
Speaker 1: And I'm not finding that connection that you just know
Speaker 1: when you know it, you know. And then I convinced myself.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, maybe I'm just one of those
Speaker 1: girls who just has to be in love to like dick,
Speaker 1: and like I've just got too many the emotion. It's
Speaker 1: more emotional for me. And you know whatever that dumb
Speaker 1: shi it is that gay girls tell themselves. So I'm
Speaker 1: doing all that because it's still not like you're gay.
Speaker 1: That's not even in my head. Yes, that's not even
Speaker 1: in my head. After you broke up with the guy
Speaker 1: and this and this is so you're not even thinking
Speaker 1: that that you're a lesbian as a possibility. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just like not feeling it. I'm not feeling it
Speaker 1: and I don't know why. So I'm just like fucking
Speaker 1: more dudes. I'm like sucking different types of dudes. I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a relationship. Let me build a relationship to
Speaker 1: dude then funk them, like, you know, just trying to
Speaker 1: figure it out. And like guys are liking me and
Speaker 1: wanting to be with me, and I'm like I could
Speaker 1: do this, but it's like it's not the thing. Right then,
Speaker 1: I'm in Atlanta, which is a very gay forward in
Speaker 1: African American gay forward place and before I even got
Speaker 1: to remember, being maybe fifteen the first time I went,
Speaker 1: and now I realized such it was such an important moment.
Speaker 1: I was fifteen, I went down to Atlanta with my
Speaker 1: brother and that was the first time I saw a
Speaker 1: stud what what we as a black culture considered like
Speaker 1: a stud, which is like a woman a dresses masking, right,
Speaker 1: and she had tims on jeans, jersey, she had a
Speaker 1: fade and I was like, that's dope. I remember being fifteen,
Speaker 1: and that like resonated with me, like for some reason, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's dope. No, it was like no, it was like wrong,
Speaker 1: but yeah, because that's what you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: but also it was like that's fly, so you know
Speaker 1: way that I would like to be flying, right, So
Speaker 1: you saw you saw aspiration in it, and also on
Speaker 1: a traction in that right right, Like that's flawed, right,
Speaker 1: and like that's how I feeling. Side is the only
Speaker 1: way I can explain it. Like always wear my brother's clothes.
Speaker 1: I'm always like trying to be fresh. That's what I
Speaker 1: feel inside. Like even when I would tell two dudes,
Speaker 1: I would like mac on them and pick them up
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, that's what I feel like when
Speaker 1: I'm seeing the imagey myself, I'm like a cool nigga
Speaker 1: in the suit riding down the street. So when you
Speaker 1: were in your teens in early twenties though, where you
Speaker 1: kind of like being fem was, was there some sort
Speaker 1: of like that do there a little? Yeah? But it
Speaker 1: wasn't even like it was just like being me, which
Speaker 1: was this real crazy mix of masculinity and femininity, right,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because now like there's people
Speaker 1: that know me then was like, bitch, I knew you
Speaker 1: was gay back then, I'm like, for real, because I didn't.
Speaker 1: You know, It's so crazy because for for I think
Speaker 1: I don't know about for you, but for maybe for
Speaker 1: a lot of gay men that I know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: this thing of gradually figuring out. It was like this
Speaker 1: visceral thing of like, oh, I like, man, I had
Speaker 1: eleven years old. I remember the moment like I saw
Speaker 1: my friends like bare back and I was like, I
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was seeing titties my whole life. Women are always solved,
Speaker 1: you know, Like femininity is so much more elusive than
Speaker 1: like masculine. It's like, if you're not sure and it's
Speaker 1: not that clear to you, you can confuse it with
Speaker 1: a million things. Right now, I look back and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I had crushes on all my female friends, but also
Speaker 1: this c is I just didn't even think you could
Speaker 1: like a girl like that. You were just like, well,
Speaker 1: this feeling I'm feeling is not a feeling, and so
Speaker 1: therefore I'm going to is just how like my mom
Speaker 1: is what her best like, that's just my super homie.
Speaker 1: I got love. But now I look back, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never hung around ugly girls. I never wrong with
Speaker 1: ugly girls, like, oh it goes on with hell pretty
Speaker 1: this period talking about in between like dating dating guys
Speaker 1: and then like coming to that realization now, I feel
Speaker 1: like that's something that probably feels like it doesn't get
Speaker 1: talked about enough where it's like there is a latent
Speaker 1: period for a lot of people before they figure it out,
Speaker 1: but but not but after they've been intimate with like
Speaker 1: what they what they're, what their past selves were. There's
Speaker 1: just also not a discourse really even yet for lesbians,
Speaker 1: especially like black lesbians, you know, lesbians of color, you know,
Speaker 1: there's not there's not a lot of visibility, you know,
Speaker 1: there's I mean, I I bet like most white people
Speaker 1: would be like, well, orange is the new black is
Speaker 1: the one thing I have seen you. There was references either,
Speaker 1: like I didn't understand what it was for real, but
Speaker 1: I just knew, like the energy that I was seeing
Speaker 1: wasn't me. Now I'm in Atlanta, I'm messing with dudes,
Speaker 1: but it's so gay forward and and so black that
Speaker 1: I'm seeing like Studds a the Studds and they were
Speaker 1: bad bitches and they just in the street and like
Speaker 1: they just shopping and ship and like I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: like this is like kind of and it's so weird.
Speaker 1: Before it was a sexual thing, it was such an identity. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I was like when I listen to jay Z,
Speaker 1: I'm jay Z, They're screaming at me. I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with you? Mom? You know. So it's like I'm
Speaker 1: now seeing real representations of that in the world, like
Speaker 1: you could live there, and it's like, oh, ship, now
Speaker 1: the sexual part has to come, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it's not like I didn't know that they existed,
Speaker 1: but seeing it for real. Yeah, And so what I
Speaker 1: understood if it was like it's so taboo that it's
Speaker 1: not a life, but then all the way you see
Speaker 1: it and you're like, no, they're living whole lives. But
Speaker 1: then you see all like the buttressing around the sexual
Speaker 1: stuff that you're like, oh, that has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with sex, but I still want that, right, And then
Speaker 1: it was like women are hitting on me and and
Speaker 1: she would use is like not really clicking. And one
Speaker 1: day I'm talking to about my good friend. I'm telling
Speaker 1: her about it, and She's like, just go on a
Speaker 1: date with one. And I was like, could I do that?
Speaker 1: She was like yeah, right. And so I was in
Speaker 1: chat rooms and ship I think how most people start
Speaker 1: being gay now. It was like there was like black ones.
Speaker 1: It was down link that was a black lesbian one,
Speaker 1: and then it was like a yeay who black lesbian
Speaker 1: chat whom I used to be in all the time.
Speaker 1: And that's when I first started like really flirting with
Speaker 1: women and like engaging in the idea of being sexual
Speaker 1: with a woman. Yes. Um, so this is taking me
Speaker 1: back here you were you weren't room queen, yes, And
Speaker 1: then you were just like talking to people when they
Speaker 1: were out of they were they weren't living in your city,
Speaker 1: were they. There was like all over the place, so
Speaker 1: people was in Atlanta, you know. And then like that
Speaker 1: was this girl, uh came my girlfriend before y'all know
Speaker 1: how long I was gonna ask how long was that relationship?
Speaker 1: Like that first one, it was like on and off
Speaker 1: for like four or five years. I broke up with
Speaker 1: that girl, got with y'all, did y'all did some crazy ship?
Speaker 1: All right? I stopped when y'all got back with the girl,
Speaker 1: broke up with her again to be with you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: then yeah, did some crazy ship and three she was
Speaker 1: just like we like, we like, we like fun a
Speaker 1: few times after, but she really wasn't me after that. No,
Speaker 1: the girl kept dumping. She just didn't get y'all's hold
Speaker 1: over me and none of that. So she was out.
Speaker 1: And then I dated around, dated some chicks in Boston, um,
Speaker 1: you know. But me and y'all were still working off
Speaker 1: and on and all that. And then I hate y'all
Speaker 1: one day, like, yo, do you want to be with me?
Speaker 1: And not? Because I can't do this ship anymore? And
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm still doing my things. So I
Speaker 1: did leave her from everything. Blocked to number got married
Speaker 1: maybe a year later, nine months, ten months, like turn
Speaker 1: to someone that you had in the intervening, did all
Speaker 1: that super fast because I was in such a like
Speaker 1: I was getting to where I wanted to be in comedy,
Speaker 1: and I was sucking, just feeling like, all right, how
Speaker 1: how am I going to be? This ship is so
Speaker 1: lonely bro. Probably is lonely bro. So I was feeling lonely. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm out here just traveling by myself, don't got no
Speaker 1: one to call. All good ships happen and don't got
Speaker 1: no one to share it with, you know, call y'all.
Speaker 1: And she out doing whatever she doing, so she ain't
Speaker 1: answering because we ain't together, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So just feeling like, damn, bro, this sucks. This is
Speaker 1: not the way I want to do this. You so isolated,
Speaker 1: So it was like, well, this is the guy I
Speaker 1: want to be with. Let me just put it all
Speaker 1: on the table. But you know, so much back and
Speaker 1: forth between us, so much doing stuff and break my
Speaker 1: heart and then meet like so much craziness that it
Speaker 1: was like, hey man, what are we doing? And if
Speaker 1: we're not doing it, then I need to like free
Speaker 1: myself of what this. I need to let this die.
Speaker 1: And at this point in time, you guys were both
Speaker 1: living in she was in Atlanta and I was but
Speaker 1: now yeah, so it was like I gotta kill this,
Speaker 1: you know, just to to be free. So in the
Speaker 1: you know, interim of that, I met my wife and
Speaker 1: she was I think, in the same space in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, just you know, we're both around
Speaker 1: the same age, and just like I don't really want
Speaker 1: to be out here anymore. Like I don't even want
Speaker 1: to be out here like this no more. Bro. So,
Speaker 1: knowing all the risk of getting married quickly, both were
Speaker 1: kind of like, we're feeling it. Let's just go with it,
Speaker 1: let's see what happens. Get married, bro. And then maybe
Speaker 1: six months later I get Common to watch I'm coming
Speaker 1: to New York and I had got married. That blocked
Speaker 1: off and her you think, so someone told her like
Speaker 1: I see SAMs Man on Instagram or whatever she called
Speaker 1: me from anybody didn't know, crying like what did you do?
Speaker 1: How could you do this? Like why why did you
Speaker 1: do this? I thought we were gonna be together and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what the funk? I asked you? Bro? I
Speaker 1: put everything like, like what do you mean I can't
Speaker 1: hold my whole life up for you type. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: I'm four real married. She's like devastated. Oh my god, devastated.
Speaker 1: So and I had to devastate you in a right
Speaker 1: absolutely so then I uh, but she's still blocked from everything.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm married, you know what I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: really like fulling I'm married. So she's still blocked from
Speaker 1: everything and all that. I get comics to watch. She
Speaker 1: ends up being in New York the same week for
Speaker 1: New York Fashion Week because she was doing makeup for
Speaker 1: the Victorious Secret. Not she was doing make it for
Speaker 1: the Victorious Fashion So she ends up there the same week.
Speaker 1: I'm there. So she hits me and she's like, would
Speaker 1: it be okay for us to just talk with friends?
Speaker 1: You know what i mean? Like, come on, I tell
Speaker 1: my wife. I'm like, she's me. She's gonna be this
Speaker 1: because I didn't want any funy stuff, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I want on funny stuff. I want you to see
Speaker 1: that she was dead. Think I was on some funny stuff.
Speaker 1: So I just found out she's gonna be what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be. Like, she wants to meet. It's like, I'm fine,
Speaker 1: with it. I'm fine with you going to have this.
Speaker 1: I tried you to have this conversation. Bro. So we
Speaker 1: meet at the seller. Oh my god, because I'm the
Speaker 1: dedication comes back. I was working, so I'm like maybe
Speaker 1: at the cellar, me at the cellar, like up there
Speaker 1: eating and she just starts pouring her heart out, bro,
Speaker 1: crying the whole bit, and that moment, I'm like, you're married.
Speaker 1: I'm married. But I'm like, I love this girls. And
Speaker 1: also I'm like hating it because I'm like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna not love this girl, bro, Like it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what she does. Like me, why can't life be easy? Yes? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like fuck bro ship, but damn I love this girl
Speaker 1: because you do not love also your wife. It's not
Speaker 1: that it's something else cosmic, right, It's like ship, man.
Speaker 1: And it's also like I don't trust this girl. Man.
Speaker 1: She do this ship all the time. She's just doing
Speaker 1: this ship because I'm with somebody, and this is like
Speaker 1: did you tell her that? Yeah? I'm like, you know
Speaker 1: fucking funk that, you know funck that toxic shit. This
Speaker 1: is all the seller Aller Like, I hate you, brother,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. We have such a fun, good it's antagonizing,
Speaker 1: but at the second I have to say, keep going.
Speaker 1: So man, I'm feeling all of the feelings, you know,
Speaker 1: but I'm also knowing, like you love this fucking girl.
Speaker 1: Go back home, still not talking to her, still doing
Speaker 1: the thing. But it's not the same end. And partly
Speaker 1: part of that I take because my wife had to
Speaker 1: must have felt something on my spirit. Ain't know what
Speaker 1: she did, but part of it was like she was
Speaker 1: just crazy and stuff got crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it was like dual forces type ship. So she
Speaker 1: has one final spas out that I'm like, I'm good,
Speaker 1: I'm done right, And at this point, y'all and I
Speaker 1: like talking periodically, you know what I'm saying. So I
Speaker 1: call y'all and I'm like, man, I'm done with this
Speaker 1: whatever whatever. She's like whatever. I don't care, but you
Speaker 1: always you always say whatever, but like whatever, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It kind of like she's been keeping
Speaker 1: me at real distance at this point, Like when I
Speaker 1: call it, she's like, what's up, married woman, Like, you know,
Speaker 1: just being that. So I finally him like I'm done
Speaker 1: with this for real, and she comes and meets me
Speaker 1: in Arizona for good Arizona. Yeah, okay, that that is
Speaker 1: a tram. This is like I'm so invested, okay yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: And then um after that, I get back to my
Speaker 1: crib and it's like we're already we separated. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sleeping on a couch thing. It was already like
Speaker 1: we're not doing this, you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 1: it blows all the way up. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: goes crazy, like cops called all this type of crazy crazy.
Speaker 1: So the next day I get finally in touch with y'all.
Speaker 1: I tell everything that's happening. So she's like, mam my way.
Speaker 1: So she flies from Atlanta to l A. Comes I'm
Speaker 1: in an apartment. All I got is a fucking foot on. Bro.
Speaker 1: She took everything, My ex wife took everything. So there's
Speaker 1: a foots on and y'all in like a Bluetooth radio
Speaker 1: and y'alls just stuck in it with me. So why
Speaker 1: this is going on crazily. I'm going through the SNL
Speaker 1: ship that was right after God. So all this is
Speaker 1: going on, I'm going through the SNL ship. So I'm
Speaker 1: in a audition process now. So I've just done like
Speaker 1: l A showcase the day after all the police ship happened. Wow,
Speaker 1: because it was like that ship happened on a weekend,
Speaker 1: and then she was like a Tuesday that was I
Speaker 1: don't remember. I just said, did it like my I
Speaker 1: had just started looking regular because my ex wife hit me,
Speaker 1: So y'all's there, I go do this ship. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think it went well. But we're also like talking
Speaker 1: about like what are we gonna do? She's like, am
Speaker 1: I gonna be here? Like what are we doing? D
Speaker 1: da da da. I'm like, I don't even know, like
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna be here, Like, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: want to get furniture. I don't want to do this
Speaker 1: place because what if I have to leave whatever. So
Speaker 1: we're kind of like in a like limbo of the space,
Speaker 1: and she also doesn't want to be in that place anyway.
Speaker 1: She's just like, I don't want to live in this craziness.
Speaker 1: You know, this is crazy. But I'm like, if I'm
Speaker 1: still in l A, I don't I can't afford to
Speaker 1: move anywhere, so this is where I'm gonna have to
Speaker 1: be type of things. So we were also having that,
Speaker 1: so we were all we were immediately like we're going
Speaker 1: to be living together. It was like we've been doing
Speaker 1: this ship too long to be doing something. When she
Speaker 1: came there that had to be like even if it
Speaker 1: wasn't vocalized, it was like that was a confirmation that
Speaker 1: was true girl, Right. So we're just sleeping off time,
Speaker 1: dugging through. I'm going through the court stuff, like I
Speaker 1: had to put a straight out all this stuff doing
Speaker 1: the S and now ship. I'm like, man, let's not
Speaker 1: buy anything we don't know. I was like, I just
Speaker 1: want to be in a new space and new energy.
Speaker 1: It just start life fresh. Didn't get the call and
Speaker 1: it's like you come to New York and like three days.
Speaker 1: I'm like, actually yes, because I have nothing. So I
Speaker 1: go two weeks before she like closed down the lesser fair,
Speaker 1: shut down apartment like I did all the least stuff,
Speaker 1: did all that stuff. So she was still there for
Speaker 1: another like two weeks just on a foodstone with nothing. Comes.
Speaker 1: We stay in the sheritton until we find a crib
Speaker 1: and then that was it. And then you got the job,
Speaker 1: and you got the job when you were when you
Speaker 1: were showcasing for testing for it, did you feel like
Speaker 1: it was likely because when you talk about representation. There's
Speaker 1: never been like I mean, like there's not I know,
Speaker 1: we talked about this with you too, because when when
Speaker 1: you were going through it, UM, it's that thing of
Speaker 1: when you don't see yourself on the show Vans, like
Speaker 1: there's no queer black women on that. Well, you know
Speaker 1: what I was like, so like I never cared about
Speaker 1: it before, So I tried to keep this like I
Speaker 1: never put it in. It was never in my plan
Speaker 1: because it didn't seem like something that fits me. So
Speaker 1: I'm never like, oh, this is something I want to do.
Speaker 1: But once it became a opportunity, it was kind of
Speaker 1: like that's how I looked at it, like what could
Speaker 1: this opportunity to lead to? And like what could it do?
Speaker 1: You know? And it was and yeah for sure. And
Speaker 1: I also was just like board, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: go with the energy so much. So I was in
Speaker 1: l a bro. I was getting more of a comedy,
Speaker 1: like getting more stand up. I was writing stuff, and
Speaker 1: I had written this UM pilot and who was all
Speaker 1: into it And basically it was like giving me like
Speaker 1: a little development there to just developed the script while
Speaker 1: I'm in the process of doing this, like I'm writing
Speaker 1: with somebody, but I'm not feeling good about its script. Bro.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't feel like me, and it feels like
Speaker 1: I'm letting everybody take too much control. But this is
Speaker 1: also because I don't really know anything yet. But I'm
Speaker 1: so green. I never real script before my life, so
Speaker 1: I'm trusting everybody else. But I'm like, this ain't me,
Speaker 1: This ain't my. This sounds crazy, bro, just feels corny.
Speaker 1: But I don't know exactly how to like fix it, right,
Speaker 1: So that's going on. I'm getting bored with stand up.
Speaker 1: This opportunity comes and it's like it just seemed like
Speaker 1: it was put there for a reason. It was like,
Speaker 1: this is not you could go this other way, take
Speaker 1: this show because they're probably gonna give it to you
Speaker 1: just because you black and gay. And and then like
Speaker 1: meaning like you know what I'm saying, like meaning like
Speaker 1: it's such an unrepresented thing that if you do this
Speaker 1: hacky thing and just it's explaining your existence rather than
Speaker 1: being your existence, they're gonna love it because like that's
Speaker 1: the type of ship they love. And that's what I
Speaker 1: felt like it was doing explaining myself is rather me
Speaker 1: just being And I'm like I just be on stage,
Speaker 1: but I don't know how to just be in this
Speaker 1: form and but this isn't it. I know this isn't it,
Speaker 1: so then that's nothing. I'm just feels like right there
Speaker 1: at the right time, and it felt like if I
Speaker 1: walk away, then I'm doing myself a disservice and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do the easier thing, go down this road, maybe
Speaker 1: this show where right stay a popular comic in l
Speaker 1: A getting shows whenever I want or go through this
Speaker 1: like really kind of scary thing that I've never done.
Speaker 1: I've never written a sketch. Yeah, I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1: So it's like maybe going to this world I've never
Speaker 1: been in sketches, So it's like, do I just step
Speaker 1: with this kind of leap of faith? And this is
Speaker 1: where age and wisdom kind of informed that decision. I
Speaker 1: remember when I was in high school, I got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to go to Oberland College and I was for
Speaker 1: sure going to be able to go. There was a
Speaker 1: recruiter and I was like, I don't have good grades.
Speaker 1: It was like it doesn't matter, like we want you
Speaker 1: to school, like we'll work it out. We're you know,
Speaker 1: you're smart, you tested well all this stuff, and I
Speaker 1: didn't go. I didn't go because I was like, it's
Speaker 1: Ohio super white. Uh, they're gonna know stuff. I don't
Speaker 1: know what. It's all this stuff in bro, And that
Speaker 1: felt like that felt like another so that I felt
Speaker 1: like an echo boom where I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: do that to myself again. If God's put in this
Speaker 1: in front of me again and I do this again,
Speaker 1: then this is you have not learned me. So it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you're great at stand up, now, this thing is
Speaker 1: not gonna make you bad at stand up if you
Speaker 1: care about it. You still don't care about your find
Speaker 1: a way to do it. You'll find a way to
Speaker 1: make it all work. And uh, if this makes you less,
Speaker 1: then something's wrong with you because all you can do
Speaker 1: in this situation is when sure, yeah what was when
Speaker 1: you got you got it? She was happy because she
Speaker 1: just wanted a new starts. She was just like, we
Speaker 1: don't have to live in this. Yeah, that's cool you
Speaker 1: got a new job because and here you talking about
Speaker 1: things that are not in your voice and that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it. It made me giggle because then immediately
Speaker 1: thought of stuff that you have written that I do
Speaker 1: feel like or your voice. I feel like I don't
Speaker 1: want to reveal the premises, but like the things that
Speaker 1: you've written that like really make me laugh. But Sam's
Speaker 1: Randa Japperwalkie sketch and she's Rando sketch about a game
Speaker 1: fire that may really make me laugh. And I pray
Speaker 1: to God that they see the light of day. Can
Speaker 1: I share this story because I was recently they had
Speaker 1: me to do some talk at some like management consultant
Speaker 1: firm this week. It was really it was great. It
Speaker 1: was a really good experience. But they asked me like, um,
Speaker 1: how do we talk about how do we talk about
Speaker 1: inclusion and the more like, you know, inclusion in a
Speaker 1: more inclusive way. Yeah, sure, one of those questions. It
Speaker 1: was a really really great question, and like I understood
Speaker 1: what she was trying to ask. Um. She was like, well,
Speaker 1: look like, how how have you felt included at work?
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's tough or whatever. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough for everybody. It's not just specific to me
Speaker 1: or any other person. But my first week at SNL writing,
Speaker 1: do you remember this? Do you know I'm about to
Speaker 1: tell Okay, so do you remember Tucker and Keenan wrote
Speaker 1: this future for Keenan to play Quincy Jones on Update.
Speaker 1: Um and this is right after that Quincy Jones profile
Speaker 1: came out on the Nature. Oh that was you too, Yes, okay,
Speaker 1: that was that was you too? Great but but you
Speaker 1: come up in a story later too. But but is
Speaker 1: this right after Quincy Jones has had done an interview
Speaker 1: and Vulture about like all he could scious stories about everybody,
Speaker 1: and then see that this feature that was very rich,
Speaker 1: very rich, and then Keenan and it made it to air,
Speaker 1: right Keenan and Quincy Jones. It didn't fuck and it
Speaker 1: was you know, but it was so funny. It was
Speaker 1: so funny funny. But there there was one b where
Speaker 1: he's like me, it was like I forgot who the
Speaker 1: celebrities he goes, Yeah, me and Prince would go to
Speaker 1: Japan and get our feet bound and go to a
Speaker 1: kabooky show. Yeah it was like that, right, yeah, So
Speaker 1: was this him saying like crazy crazy crazy thing like
Speaker 1: and there was just this reference to footbinding and then
Speaker 1: I literally and then I like it was at the
Speaker 1: re right table on a Saturday, and I was just
Speaker 1: I was so like meek and it was my speaking.
Speaker 1: I was so nervous that. I was like, but I
Speaker 1: feel like I should say something about this, because I go,
Speaker 1: I sort of like, I don't even raise my hand.
Speaker 1: I just go, there's a quiet moment, there's a law
Speaker 1: at the table. This is just how you get like
Speaker 1: your your piece that you like, you're saying, we're pitching on, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're pitching, and I just go. And this wasn't even
Speaker 1: a pitch. I just go. In case this matters. Foot
Speaker 1: binding is Chinese, not Japanese. And like the reference was
Speaker 1: that you went to Tokyo. I was like, for binding
Speaker 1: is Chinese and not Japanese. I was like, but like
Speaker 1: that's just that's just like information. And then you and
Speaker 1: Tucker and Keenan we're all like, thank you so much,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. And you took that so there
Speaker 1: was no tension around that. It was just like so
Speaker 1: quick and seamless and good. And you guys received it
Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, great and then you guys like
Speaker 1: just cut that beat out, not the beat, just that joke.
Speaker 1: And then you came up to me at the after
Speaker 1: party and you were like, thank you for doing that,
Speaker 1: Like it just it just like it was just very
Speaker 1: important that you did that, and you and you really
Speaker 1: keep advocating for like what culture you represent, like all
Speaker 1: that stuff, and and it meant everything to me that
Speaker 1: you said that, because otherwise I of like not felt
Speaker 1: because so I brought that story up and to answer
Speaker 1: this person's question, it was like, I the more you
Speaker 1: can break down any barrier of like someone not feeling
Speaker 1: comfortable voicing a concern or someone not feeling empowered to
Speaker 1: say something like that's all that I knew, Like I
Speaker 1: knew he was feeling that, because who doesn't that situation
Speaker 1: that definitely you know, everyone's tense. Yeah, everyone's tense, and
Speaker 1: it's like and you you can't helpe, but you you're
Speaker 1: underrepresented and when you're going into energy, I don't and
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand it unless you've been in
Speaker 1: the situation, right, People who are on outside looking in
Speaker 1: all was like, wow, why didn't they speak up things? Right? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: Well Bowen was there and then that Asian thing got
Speaker 1: through it. But also it's like what people don't understand
Speaker 1: is like when you're putting in those positions where you're
Speaker 1: where you're so underrepresented, you do feel a little bit
Speaker 1: of like I don't want to be that one that
Speaker 1: comes in and like makes everything an issue, and especially
Speaker 1: in a comedic space, well partially how we are funny.
Speaker 1: It's just the freedom to say with you don't want
Speaker 1: to be killing anything, You don't want to be killing
Speaker 1: any buzz or like you know, letting people get their
Speaker 1: ship off, becoming that energy. Well yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 1: that thing like when you put someone in the room.
Speaker 1: Everyone on the outside is like, well, they have that
Speaker 1: person in the room, so it's dealt with. But it's
Speaker 1: like you don't know what it's like to be that
Speaker 1: one person in the room because you have no one
Speaker 1: to the left that is saying I'm here also hearing you.
Speaker 1: And that's why I just wanted to said it because
Speaker 1: that was the point. It was just like, as a
Speaker 1: person that has been there, don't feel weird about saying
Speaker 1: what you need to say if your thing is being misrepresented.
Speaker 1: But it's also all on the approach where it's just
Speaker 1: like I like, how to think about exactly about what
Speaker 1: I was saying in the words that we're going to
Speaker 1: come out of my mouth I said, and then I
Speaker 1: was like, this is the phrasing I'm gonna use, And
Speaker 1: then what I said was if it's important footbinding is
Speaker 1: this other thing? And then all you guys did was
Speaker 1: just cut out footbinding and then the jokes still work.
Speaker 1: It's still so freaking funny. It was like, yeah, like
Speaker 1: Quincy Jones and Prince went to Tokyo and like did
Speaker 1: all this crazy show, Like that's funny. It's like yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like and that's probably because that, even if
Speaker 1: it didn't matter to us, you need to feel represented
Speaker 1: in the room. You need to feel like a represented
Speaker 1: part of the process I was offering. I was just
Speaker 1: offering information that like could or could not be relevant
Speaker 1: to you guys as the writers of that piece. And like,
Speaker 1: you guys, it was at your discretion absolutely to cut
Speaker 1: it or or leave it, and that and that's what
Speaker 1: was dope. You didn't make using what we had to
Speaker 1: do anything exactly. You just like, here's a piece of
Speaker 1: information that could help or not help. But now you're
Speaker 1: informed and what you decide to do that is up
Speaker 1: to you. And it's like you should definitely feel that,
Speaker 1: and you should, and and that's how when you're in
Speaker 1: the room, things like that don't happen. And get on
Speaker 1: TV or someone to say what was Bob, because that's
Speaker 1: the way to speak up and do it. And it's
Speaker 1: like and that should always be encouraged. And I think
Speaker 1: for that s and is a way more encouraging place
Speaker 1: and it gets credit for and way more supportive space
Speaker 1: than it gets credit for, in a way more supportive
Speaker 1: supportive space of different ideas in different culture than it
Speaker 1: gets credit for. For sure. Like we've got like like
Speaker 1: six queer writers on that stuff. It's like pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And like creators like last season it was like me,
Speaker 1: you Gates, James Julio, it was just like, oh, whoa,
Speaker 1: and like that's like a pretty age diverse, like race diverse,
Speaker 1: like gender diverse group. I was like, Oh, that's like
Speaker 1: that's like pretty great. I don't know. I do think
Speaker 1: it's a huge um deal and a big and a
Speaker 1: big big step forward for them to put LGBT people
Speaker 1: or more than one LGBT person on the cast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say that. I think I think in terms
Speaker 1: of visibility, I think we're talking about we spoke about earlier,
Speaker 1: how you know it's there are people out there who
Speaker 1: just look up on the screen and they assume that's
Speaker 1: that that people saying is where it's coming from these
Speaker 1: kids that are going to see not only just Kate
Speaker 1: but also you on screen. Now, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's it has been a long time coming. But my damn,
Speaker 1: my damn hope is that there's space. And because I
Speaker 1: think it is a myth to say that, like, well
Speaker 1: there's not room for another just Gamian or another gay
Speaker 1: woman or transperson, like they're absolutely as like that. We
Speaker 1: do not cannibalize each other or the other. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: finally ask him the questions. Okay, Sam, what is the
Speaker 1: culture that made you say? Culture is for me like
Speaker 1: the cold like formative like piece of pop culture for you,
Speaker 1: I mean pop culture cure or it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be pop culture. He does something so specific to like
Speaker 1: the like the neighborhood you grew up in, Like it
Speaker 1: could be Boston, it could be like whatever general broad days.
Speaker 1: How much thinking too, because honestly I have telling that story.
Speaker 1: I have to say, seeing that lesbian in Atlanta, Yes, yeah, honestly,
Speaker 1: that is a moment at the moment did you know
Speaker 1: what did you ever see? Fun Home on Broadway? There's
Speaker 1: there's a song called Ring of Keys where a young
Speaker 1: lesbian who doesn't know she lesbian, yet sees someone who
Speaker 1: comes in and she's got like this ring with keys
Speaker 1: on it. She's a butcher lesbian and she's The song
Speaker 1: is about recognizing that you know that person, but you
Speaker 1: don't know how and how you're attracted to that person.
Speaker 1: You don't. It's a very specifically that pistillation of recognized
Speaker 1: recognition of sexual identity in yourself but in someone else
Speaker 1: that very similar. That's what you describe. Yeah, I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So she was in her jersey. Do you remember what
Speaker 1: the jersey? I remember it had to be like a
Speaker 1: um a ram, like a like a l A rams
Speaker 1: or some because it was like yellow window blue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well maybe it might have been a yellow and blue
Speaker 1: food jersey. And it was like some phychology, so crispy
Speaker 1: as Tims. And she had a fade with a part
Speaker 1: part I always want to part, I always wanted to part,
Speaker 1: and I was a line or apart, like apart like
Speaker 1: yeah okay, yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And I was like that's dope. Yeah yeah. And then
Speaker 1: she stayed with you like she like I forgot seeing it.
Speaker 1: You forgot, never never forgot because I don't think I
Speaker 1: because it's it's really I get like jealous whatever not
Speaker 1: the right word, but I get jealous when people have
Speaker 1: that moments that they're like the kid, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think I have one. I just remember I had
Speaker 1: a friend come over and we were swimming in my pool.
Speaker 1: Were eleven, and then I was going to bed, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I love my friend. I love when
Speaker 1: it comes over. I love his back. I want to
Speaker 1: touch us back. Oh. It was kind of this moment
Speaker 1: of like true light bulb moment of abject terror because
Speaker 1: it was like very similar to what you were saying.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, just I did not know a healthy, adjusted,
Speaker 1: adult gay person that wasn't a joke. Yeah, that wasn't
Speaker 1: like that's not a life. Yeah, this was like that's
Speaker 1: just some like what what whatever? Yeah, And it's like
Speaker 1: you can't and then and that's why it's so important,
Speaker 1: like just forced to be doing ship because I get
Speaker 1: damn after damn from like young Black Lesban is just
Speaker 1: like how did you do it? This is cool to
Speaker 1: see because it's just like there's no there was no
Speaker 1: identity of a career that wasn't like a construction worker,
Speaker 1: you know what. I'm saying like I'm solved, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna be Well, it's because truly, it's like you don't
Speaker 1: you don't see you don't see any depiction of anyone
Speaker 1: leading a story or like kind of driving any narrative,
Speaker 1: let alone, you're getting to feel like you could drive
Speaker 1: your own narrative, because what the funk would that look like?
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember like just the devastation, the primary
Speaker 1: devastation that I felt when I realized this was, well,
Speaker 1: I will not have a family. It was because I
Speaker 1: just did not understand how that could ever be a possibility, right,
Speaker 1: And it was because, you know, because it's like it
Speaker 1: was like as like this spinster lifestyle, like you couldn't
Speaker 1: there's no stability or one thing excluded the other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like not at all, you know, So seeing
Speaker 1: her for sure? And then right, let me think of
Speaker 1: like a pop culture movement. I think that's like pretty adequate.
Speaker 1: What was the music listen to when you were young?
Speaker 1: A lot of just hip hop like nineties, a lot
Speaker 1: of like Scoop Dogs. You mentioned jay Z before jay
Speaker 1: Z huge, huge, huge one like between jay Z and
Speaker 1: Kanye got me through. Sure, what are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: like Kanye, like how he's kind of like progressed like
Speaker 1: with with the situation that it is now you know
Speaker 1: what it's. I'm a big Kanya fan, and I think
Speaker 1: that he was a part of me. Is like he
Speaker 1: was always going in his direction. If you listen to Think,
Speaker 1: you think he's dropping hands early on. But even fun
Speaker 1: beginning to Kanye's music, it's always been very Christian influences.
Speaker 1: I mean one of his first singles was Jesus Wokes
Speaker 1: Like he's always been like an Avid I'm a Christian,
Speaker 1: Like all his rap has some part of that in it,
Speaker 1: and the sounds were starting to you know, be that.
Speaker 1: I always argued that Life of Pablo is a gospel album.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's a it's a it's a hood rap
Speaker 1: hard wrap, but it's a gospel album that is a
Speaker 1: praise album top to bottom, because it wasn't, yeah, because
Speaker 1: everyone like he's doing all this gospel stuff. Now he's
Speaker 1: been doing it since It's like Pablos got Beautiful Woe
Speaker 1: in it only became overt with something Jesus right, like
Speaker 1: that was the only time when it became like actual
Speaker 1: like thinking of himself and that. But even Registration day.
Speaker 1: It was like there were there were notes of that, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like it's not crazy to me as a
Speaker 1: true fan. Seems just right where he wanted to lame.
Speaker 1: Remember when he got punked um and he was like,
Speaker 1: she tried to run off with his you know what
Speaker 1: set him off because the fucking guy that they planted
Speaker 1: who's part of the punked crew said the Lord giveth
Speaker 1: and the Lord taketh the way and that, and you
Speaker 1: see the change in Connie. He fucking flipped out. He's
Speaker 1: like and he takes it and he runs. He's just like, no,
Speaker 1: don't talk about religion. It's always been there. It's always
Speaker 1: been there. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't seem like elite, right.
Speaker 1: You know. His mental health and all that stuff is
Speaker 1: another thing, you know, and I can't speak to that,
Speaker 1: but it seems like even if people don't feel it,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's more balanced. Yeah, just just just internally,
Speaker 1: um jay Z. On the topic of jay Z, I
Speaker 1: feel like I have Maria or anything for letting jay Z,
Speaker 1: letting queer little queer boys be the entry port. See.
Speaker 1: I always knew of jay Z as a cultural figure,
Speaker 1: but then I think, yeah, honestly, when he was when
Speaker 1: he was on Heartbreaker, I was like, oh, now I
Speaker 1: like z me being the little fact that I was
Speaker 1: like literally trying to trying to like get Anny Mariah
Speaker 1: content I could. She was my first content concert too.
Speaker 1: I saw that Rainbow album. She got me through that
Speaker 1: break up, my first break up with my boyfriend that
Speaker 1: I have for a long time. Absolutely bit it was
Speaker 1: everything she has friends, She's got one of the best
Speaker 1: albums from I would say in my room and listen
Speaker 1: to it so much. My Michelle comes over, Michelle Slot
Speaker 1: come over, and Michelle is like, this is not your life.
Speaker 1: It takes the album. They forced me out because they're like,
Speaker 1: this is fucking crazy in a week later, which I
Speaker 1: was like, really, I took it because I just wanted it. Well.
Speaker 1: That album is Stay the Night, and that was that
Speaker 1: was I believe produced that. It was also say something
Speaker 1: is something we can forget it off on that album,
Speaker 1: never forget we want together together. It's like that. I
Speaker 1: think it's a very good first. It was a great
Speaker 1: to like, y'all keep coming for me for doing like
Speaker 1: black stuff bitch get off the album. Yes, yeah, it
Speaker 1: was such a good Also, Mariah is fucking funny which
Speaker 1: is something I like about Mariah is that she's funny
Speaker 1: and that I love that she really is g TF,
Speaker 1: I'll get the funk out, Like that's just a little thing.
Speaker 1: She's funny like and she she has her issues as well,
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, at the heart of it,
Speaker 1: I'm happy that we still have someone that's like trying
Speaker 1: to get better and trying to be honest. Finally he's
Speaker 1: trying to still fucking exist in this damn and she's
Speaker 1: got to trying to erase her right. It's crazy. It's
Speaker 1: like I was talking to someone. I was like, Bro,
Speaker 1: Mariah carry made the first, Like we haven't had a
Speaker 1: new Christmas song, and how long centuries it's been. She
Speaker 1: is up there with the she's with domain. She's that's it,
Speaker 1: that will be playing forever forever. Like, come on, you
Speaker 1: can't just do people. That's what I don't like that
Speaker 1: when people just trying to like do people dirty, just
Speaker 1: like write people off. It's like, bro, like, and I
Speaker 1: guess when you do this as a career, you see
Speaker 1: it more. Were like you're gonna go mad ship, yes,
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna forget about the ship. That's why
Speaker 1: sleabries be crazy, like, why are You're just gonna forget
Speaker 1: about the ship I did, especially with women, and I
Speaker 1: think especially especially with a woman like Ryan, who's a
Speaker 1: biracial woman who probably struggled to find I'm sure. I mean,
Speaker 1: she's open about struggling to find a place her identity
Speaker 1: for her entire life, and then her musical identity in
Speaker 1: the beginning of her career being sort of a Selene
Speaker 1: diond type, to then her transitioning to R and B
Speaker 1: music and being like not super accepted necessarily action of
Speaker 1: Mimi was like I'm gonna do black ship because it
Speaker 1: wasn't it was it wasn't super accepted. Mostly I feel
Speaker 1: about the white community, Like when she started hanging out
Speaker 1: with Dame Dash and Ship, it was like everyone was
Speaker 1: looking like she's stepping down, and it's like, bro, this
Speaker 1: is and that is not a step down. He's a
Speaker 1: part of the coach and he's a big part of
Speaker 1: And also you have to never forget that A lot
Speaker 1: of the reason why the first five or six years
Speaker 1: of her career were what it was is because she
Speaker 1: was married to the owner of her record label. Y'all, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you don't know the darkness that that was and
Speaker 1: I you know, what I will say is that she
Speaker 1: actually is finishing her book and that book is going
Speaker 1: to say a lot of ship. Book is going to
Speaker 1: say a lot. I No, I'm a lamb. I'm in
Speaker 1: the Lamily And I will say that that you will,
Speaker 1: truths will be revealed. And I also went when she
Speaker 1: what did for caution? She did like I was invited
Speaker 1: to go caution? Is it? But just real quick cause
Speaker 1: I was thinking, abou this what what's crazy? Is on
Speaker 1: a flip with Justin Timberly worked with Timberland. That wasn't said?
Speaker 1: Does it like he's not even he's not even black
Speaker 1: at all? Let's not forget. It's like why when Mariah
Speaker 1: is messing, you know, messed with Dame and so I
Speaker 1: messed with Ja, It's like, what's happened? Because it's starlet,
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy. It's because she's a woman, and obviously,
Speaker 1: and it's because she's a biracial woman, and it's also
Speaker 1: because both sides. It's also because she's a woman who
Speaker 1: owns her sexuality and how dare she? And that's how
Speaker 1: people feel and the fact that Maria, almost thirty years
Speaker 1: into this, is still someone that we talked about. And
Speaker 1: you know what, the reason you can never erase her
Speaker 1: from the narrative is because she writes her own ship
Speaker 1: and that is why like she she will constantly reinvent
Speaker 1: herself and like also stayed on brand. Mariah is what
Speaker 1: was your thinking about she went to the Caution preview
Speaker 1: or something I went to. There was a preview at
Speaker 1: Parcaution where she was kind of sat down and it
Speaker 1: was all lambs, and I mean, like the whole room
Speaker 1: was packed. So you were so excited and I was
Speaker 1: so so happy to be there and Maria's I sat
Speaker 1: with Mariah Smith and we were there and I was like,
Speaker 1: she came out and sat down and you could tell
Speaker 1: it meant so much to her that like people were
Speaker 1: respecting her and talking about her as a lyricist, her
Speaker 1: as a composer, as she has composed arranged like maybe
Speaker 1: we're a carrying the tub on. It's because not only
Speaker 1: is she this big personality, but she's also happens to
Speaker 1: be one of the best singers of all time. And
Speaker 1: people can't accept that you can be this larger than
Speaker 1: life personality and one of the best thingers of all
Speaker 1: time and and be this good and accept Again, it's
Speaker 1: like when you're on the outside looking and it's it's
Speaker 1: just like like watching football from your couch. When you're
Speaker 1: on outside looking at you said a lot like I
Speaker 1: was talking, um yeah about this. I was like, what
Speaker 1: I realized now and this is just a limited amount
Speaker 1: of times that I've been on camera. You cannot care
Speaker 1: about being on camera. There could be an amount, there
Speaker 1: could be so much like on camera nous that you
Speaker 1: don't give a funk. So people sometimes be like they
Speaker 1: wore that on TV and I'm like, yeah, because there
Speaker 1: wasn't TV, and give a fuck man, TV, bitch, they
Speaker 1: always on t V. So Mariah Carry did that on always.
Speaker 1: It's not for nothing. What are you talking about? Bro?
Speaker 1: Like when you're like it's important to you, everything is relative,
Speaker 1: it's not important to do. She's got things to jumble
Speaker 1: about Cribs. Bit she showed up and had a good
Speaker 1: time on Cribs and goddamn right, she's got a fucking practice,
Speaker 1: you know, like cribs, Get the funk out of here. Also,
Speaker 1: never forget that the whole time she's juggling being the
Speaker 1: best singer of all time and maintaining that which thirty
Speaker 1: years and it might not be what it was, but
Speaker 1: it's still something. And so that the fact that she
Speaker 1: runs her own business as a songwriter, the fact that
Speaker 1: she has a brand to keep end not for nothing,
Speaker 1: but she is managing bipolar disorder. This is and and
Speaker 1: problems in her life and children, leave leave alone, Leave
Speaker 1: mariah Alone's um, this is the thing. And it's like
Speaker 1: what you're saying, like watching, Yeah, the pleaves and myself included,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be watching from the cheap seats for people
Speaker 1: who do like actual crazy. And the thing is like
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's like what you're
Speaker 1: doing it on any level and you can look in
Speaker 1: a little bit, you're like, whoa man? Like chill? These
Speaker 1: are just like people trying to like live like it
Speaker 1: just happens to be you do this thing like I
Speaker 1: missed the times like I missed, like it just being
Speaker 1: when you didn't know ship And I can't imagine when
Speaker 1: it was like like being Beethoven, because it's like no
Speaker 1: one knew he just played the ship. You come, he
Speaker 1: played the ship. He liked the ship like it go home,
Speaker 1: discussed the ship, but no one was like Beethoven sleeps
Speaker 1: with his brother's brother's friend gave a fun. No one
Speaker 1: gave a fun. It was probably a damn fag at
Speaker 1: some point. Number six nag. It was at some point,
Speaker 1: though I don't know what happened, And it's always gross
Speaker 1: to me out and it's maybe because I've grown up
Speaker 1: with like celebrity in my family, and but it's always
Speaker 1: bothered me that the public at some point I felt
Speaker 1: like they had rights to your life, not not your
Speaker 1: creative not not right to decide to support you creatively.
Speaker 1: You're not not a right to buy your music life,
Speaker 1: but right to your life, to your personal life, to
Speaker 1: your personal decisions, and they get to determine what those
Speaker 1: should and shouldn't be. And it's so wild and gross
Speaker 1: to me. It's like, how do you feel like you're
Speaker 1: old that? And then it's because they think they're old
Speaker 1: your success. They think your success is completely dependent on them,
Speaker 1: and they don't give any credit to the fact that
Speaker 1: you had to do a bunch of ships for them
Speaker 1: to even see you. So it's like, what kind of
Speaker 1: nutship is that when you gotta go out and you
Speaker 1: gotta apologize for some personal ship you did in your
Speaker 1: house to a bunch of people you don't know because
Speaker 1: they're mad and they deserved it because without you there
Speaker 1: is no them. It's like the first celebrity of the
Speaker 1: cow tail. Fuck you because you ruined it for everybody.
Speaker 1: You should have just told him to lick your ass,
Speaker 1: manya business body shit of don't. That's actually number four,
Speaker 1: number number nineteen. You should have just told them to
Speaker 1: lick your ass and don't and also leave Maria alone
Speaker 1: as a real culture number fifty leave honestly, like what
Speaker 1: the motherfucker's aren't like the people that like they could
Speaker 1: A motherfucker could poison us with lettuce. That nigga don't
Speaker 1: gotta come on TV and be like, I'm sorry to know.
Speaker 1: We're just like, don't eat the lettuce, don't You probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't have a mother frecker can poison us with lettuce, George,
Speaker 1: never think with lettuce. But there you are algy demand
Speaker 1: for Britney spirits who can barely lift her head up.
Speaker 1: Let her be let her be let her paint. There's
Speaker 1: some energy. We gotta move on. I don't think this
Speaker 1: is the one that a segment of lost culture is
Speaker 1: where we absolutely go off on something in culture that
Speaker 1: we're saying you thought so no, no, but this is
Speaker 1: the thing that we don't like no more. I want
Speaker 1: to say, I actually do have something, and this is
Speaker 1: a little bit off the beaten path, but I'm happy
Speaker 1: that it's finally being addressed. Okay, okay, I'm so happy.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for this. This is Matt Rodgers. I
Speaker 1: don't think so many of your time starts now. I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. Those urinals at the restrooms in
Speaker 1: the airport with the little flies on them. There's a
Speaker 1: little flies urinals. What the funk is that they're on
Speaker 1: all of them? I don't think so, honey, you're making
Speaker 1: me pee on a bug. I don't think so honey,
Speaker 1: that they're drawn so realistically. I almost and I really
Speaker 1: don't think sings only myself because I almost took a
Speaker 1: picture of the urinal, had my own piss in it
Speaker 1: to make sure that peop it would recognize what I
Speaker 1: was talking about. But if you are using male restrooms
Speaker 1: in the airport, I think at JFK N L AS
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about. It's these urinals, and
Speaker 1: inside the urinals on the thing that you pee on,
Speaker 1: which is a k A. The back of the urinal.
Speaker 1: There is a little fly drawn on every single one
Speaker 1: bone confirmed confirmed? What is that? I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: It has me thinking about like and now I'm aiming
Speaker 1: for it because it's there. I'm a very good aimer
Speaker 1: when I I don't think, so honey, this like this
Speaker 1: art artists on the urinal and I think, what is it?
Speaker 1: I think it's so that you do aim and so
Speaker 1: that there's not a lot of splatter and backsplash. So
Speaker 1: they're trying to get me to target my piss. That
Speaker 1: train that you go to the side because doesn't fly around,
Speaker 1: Well I'm sorry, but first of all, I didn't need that.
Speaker 1: I'm a civilized person. Stop my p fly around because
Speaker 1: if you're if you're pointing your dick like perpendicular to
Speaker 1: the actual surface, then then it's gonna splash back and
Speaker 1: then I have never had this. Cops, Jodian is gonna
Speaker 1: have to clean up a bunch of dried piss off
Speaker 1: the floor. That you understand, all this means you're piss
Speaker 1: is crazy. I mean, so you're a crazy uncut and
Speaker 1: people with four skin we can't control our aim as
Speaker 1: well as you met it be uncut. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with it. If I could go back,
Speaker 1: I would. I would. I would reach my baby hand
Speaker 1: up out of the damn thing and say stop it. Now,
Speaker 1: put that stop. I said stop. I said put the stop.
Speaker 1: I said now, I said put that put that snicker down.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, okay, I've got something. This is bone yangs.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. On this episode law Schools
Speaker 1: and this time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Mel at tone and bitch, you don't work, get a
Speaker 1: real job. You are not happening for me in the
Speaker 1: right possible ways. I take one of you. I take
Speaker 1: one little gummy knocks me out for four hours. I
Speaker 1: wake up the next day groggy as hell, can't fall back,
Speaker 1: can't fall back asleep because my hormone are like, nope,
Speaker 1: you've had enough. It fucks you up and it actually
Speaker 1: does more damage than it does any good. And melatonin,
Speaker 1: I don't like this whole thing where you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's um, it's not dangerous. It's actually it's naturally produced
Speaker 1: by your body. No melatonin. If I can get you
Speaker 1: in gummy form, that means that you've you've done something
Speaker 1: bad in the world, and that my body does flushes
Speaker 1: you out and I don't actually need you. Let's we
Speaker 1: gotta break away from the gummies and this, this is this,
Speaker 1: and I don't think about gummys in general. It cannot
Speaker 1: feel like candy or else. Kids will eat it and
Speaker 1: odeon vitamin C and fish with so um. I'm looking
Speaker 1: out for the children. Melatoninsted, you're done, melotonin. If you
Speaker 1: come for me in my family, I will sue. That's
Speaker 1: one minute, and I'm happy that you incorporated. I will
Speaker 1: sue you catchphrase. I think that you are correct. Melatonin
Speaker 1: doesn't work, and I believe that every single melatonin is
Speaker 1: a placebo. That's what I have to say about that.
Speaker 1: You never feel great the next day. You never feel
Speaker 1: well rested, just melotonin. Thank you, Sam. Sam. Do a
Speaker 1: topic that you'd like to go off on, I don't
Speaker 1: know if I could go off there long. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can just check out your We're we're stupid. We run
Speaker 1: out of steam like thirty seconds and then we just
Speaker 1: like yourself. But I mean, yeah, okay, great, So this
Speaker 1: is same, James. I don't think I have to you
Speaker 1: have to. You do have to. This is same, James.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, her time starts now. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. To the Popeye's Chicken sandwich, yes,
Speaker 1: I really I'm over this fucking sandwich. First of all,
Speaker 1: was kissing me off the games that pop Eye is playing.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're a fucking chicken business. You don't got
Speaker 1: enough sandwiches, bitch, that's just chicken and bread. Were like,
Speaker 1: what is the deal that y'all wanted this thirst over
Speaker 1: the set? Like Popeye's is jerking off over the that
Speaker 1: people are like stabbing, Yes, are like rolling people over,
Speaker 1: are like being crazy over the sandwich, And like, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, to the white man that runs popeye'es,
Speaker 1: I just wanted niggas to look crazy over some chicken.
Speaker 1: I don't appreciate it. It's absolutely fucking ridicul it is,
Speaker 1: and it's like also probably not even good, Like I
Speaker 1: had one when it first came out and it was
Speaker 1: straight but not enough to kill anybody, not enough to
Speaker 1: kill anything over it. It's video after video, people just
Speaker 1: acted insane. So white dude went inside the Popeyes y'all
Speaker 1: everybody called them a nigger oh the sandwich. Then they
Speaker 1: beat him up outside, took the sandwiches from them. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's this where we are America, and we wonder why
Speaker 1: this ship is going on. We need to let the
Speaker 1: Russians take this bitch. We don't know what we're doing,
Speaker 1: so let me tell you the stabbing stabbing This week,
Speaker 1: someone in line stabbed someone over the sandwich. And then
Speaker 1: we're like, and we want respect around the world, like
Speaker 1: people are dying for real reasons, and we're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we need a sandwich, do we genuinely? It's just raised
Speaker 1: generally prefer the chicken from Popeyees over the chicken from KFC.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, yeah, I think they can't see went
Speaker 1: way left. What happened to CAFC was when they said
Speaker 1: that they was growing the chickens in the lab and
Speaker 1: they was making like and they showed that crazy looking
Speaker 1: chicken and everyone was like, we good, were actually okay
Speaker 1: recovered from that rumor. It was like probably not even true,
Speaker 1: but yeah, okay. You can't have a white man sell
Speaker 1: like the face of a white man sell your chick
Speaker 1: That lady I hate the Popeye's lady. I don't know
Speaker 1: the poo's the Popeye's lady when she just oh, I do.
Speaker 1: I do like it and I hate her as a person. Lord, Lord,
Speaker 1: get her off. The Popeyes has bettered potatoes than any
Speaker 1: other players. It was that like she could just still
Speaker 1: be normal, like I can't. I don't get why the
Speaker 1: let just can't come on and Papas has a great chicken.
Speaker 1: You know what does she do? Honey? You want you know?
Speaker 1: It's like like w B frog shit like w frog? Um?
Speaker 1: Well this, Yeah, you're totally right. It's artificial scarcity. It's
Speaker 1: like when they purposely make something scarce so that there's
Speaker 1: more buzz. Yes, it's like people, Papas, y'all be in
Speaker 1: Jordan right now when we were shooting Nova Speakers. You
Speaker 1: gotta do better, you Jordan. The sandwiches, get the people,
Speaker 1: the sandwiches on um. Sam has canceled me on the
Speaker 1: internet for I'm ordering chick fil A at the Writer's
Speaker 1: every Yeah. Well, I have to say I can confirm
Speaker 1: that there are days when Bowen looks me in my
Speaker 1: eyes and wants to go out of our way to
Speaker 1: go to and I'm saying to him, now, well, it's
Speaker 1: a Colorado thing because I don't do that so we
Speaker 1: can all overcome our past. I'm not gonna. I'm canceling,
Speaker 1: cancel culture on both of you. Okay, you don't eat it.
Speaker 1: Let Oh no, they're closed. You have to do that though,
Speaker 1: because you white reparations, my nigga, you need to abstain.
Speaker 1: But like you already gotta take somebody else not getting
Speaker 1: up chicken, you know my stuff. I gotta give up
Speaker 1: just being black. I'm not giving chicken for that. One
Speaker 1: can stuff. No boom, you're alone. You're supposed to You're
Speaker 1: supposed to fight the chickenl like this is your fest.
Speaker 1: I'll take it, honest. I'm getting my lemonade, my fries.
Speaker 1: If Top Eyes can't get it together, I understand you.
Speaker 1: This has been a fantastic I love this episode. I
Speaker 1: love being here. Um we closed every episode with the
Speaker 1: song heartbreak. You've got the best of me, But I
Speaker 1: just keep off coming back and sessh did you have
Speaker 1: to run your game? I should have known right from
Speaker 1: the start, go and bring what. Give me a love? Love,
Speaker 1: Give me a love. We love you, Mariah, We we
Speaker 1: we stand. We won't leave you alone by This has
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