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Speaker 1: Brand new being and I am Rappaport Stereo podcast is here.

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Speaker 1: Have no fear one of my favorites. Say it again,

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Speaker 1: one of my favorites. I've said it to him in

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Speaker 1: real life. I've said it to him on social media.

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Speaker 1: I've set it to him across the desk when I've

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Speaker 1: worked with him throughout the years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, iconic name. Who oh my name? Yeah? Okay, I

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Speaker 2: I say, not me, but yeah, my name is iconic.

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Speaker 2: They an'll know we're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna break it all down.

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Speaker 1: Marcellus Wiley, the Great Marcellus Wiley. Yes, Los Angeles legend,

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Speaker 1: University of Columbia graduate, never shut up, University educated curator,

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Speaker 1: ten years in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: People forget that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it's like people some people may not

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Speaker 1: even know, like the young folks.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a gang of stories like that. I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 4: they forgot how I used to get it. I used

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Speaker 4: to use these muscles for.

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Speaker 3: It.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, played for the Bills, the Cowboys, the Chargers, the Jaguars.

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Speaker 1: It's almost that time of the year. Daily podcast host

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Speaker 1: of More to It. Also that dude on YouTube grinding it,

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Speaker 1: banging it out every single day. Decorated career ESPN, ESPN Television,

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Speaker 1: FS one and now on the im Rappaport stereo podcast.

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Speaker 2: Plus. Your podcast is also on iHeart Just Like.

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Speaker 1: Me, number seventy five in the programs number one in

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Speaker 1: your Hearts. And like I said before we get into

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Speaker 1: I interview you, I have always loved your takes because

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Speaker 1: for me, you have been one of the most versatile commentators.

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Speaker 3: Because number one, you played. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Number two you're a fan, okay. Number three you're smart.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Number four you have a great sense of humor. Number

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Speaker 1: five you don't take yourself that seriously. Number six you

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Speaker 1: do take things seriously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you caught that.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I always enjoyed you before I met you.

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed you with Maxim Marsellis. I enjoyed you on

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Speaker 1: all the different shows at ESPN. I enjoyed you at

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Speaker 1: ESPN at FX one, I enjoy you on YouTube, I

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Speaker 1: enjoy you on IG And I'm really glad you're here.

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Speaker 2: Man. That's love man to hear a eulogy and still

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Speaker 2: be a lot I take it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, in real what I love about

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Speaker 4: what you said was the fact that it wasn't just glossy,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't just high level.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't just Wikipedia or what you think I share here.

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Speaker 4: You actually know me and you know my intentions, and

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Speaker 4: it comes across I assume you know.

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Speaker 2: It's funny.

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Speaker 4: I've had so many co hosts, I've been on so

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Speaker 4: many shows. I've been doing it for so long, and

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Speaker 4: it's always interesting when people come up to me. They're like, man,

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Speaker 4: I used to love you on Maximrsels or I loved

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Speaker 4: you on Sports Nation year, I loved you speakers, and

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Speaker 4: and then sometimes it clicks with me. I'm like, Damn,

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Speaker 4: maybe they just love me because all those shows were

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Speaker 4: completely different. But to your point of being versatile, and

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Speaker 4: I'm only versatile because of myself. I'm like, I'm not acting.

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Speaker 4: I'm not Oh the light is on, let me now

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Speaker 4: be a broadcaster, you know. I'm like, Oh, you asked

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Speaker 4: me a question, I got an answer. And it's just

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Speaker 4: that simple. Because my experiences is my expertise. I've lived

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Speaker 4: through it. I've been through it, whether it's on the field,

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Speaker 4: what this culture kind of represents. It just seems like, damn,

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Speaker 4: I got a degree in that from experience. So I

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Speaker 4: just let people know what I'm about.

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Speaker 3: Well, I love it.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into these specific questions, you've told the

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Speaker 1: story seven billion times, Marcellus Wiley, pulp Fiction the name.

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Speaker 1: How did you find out about Did you find out

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Speaker 1: about it when you went to the movie theater?

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't even see Pope fiction in the theater

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Speaker 4: I was like, I ain't gonna waste my little money.

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Speaker 4: I actually thought you were going to bring up my

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Speaker 4: name comes from someone more iconic than that. You know that, right,

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Speaker 4: break it down, Cassius Marcellus Clay.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, I mean I know Cassius

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Speaker 1: Marcellus Clay. Yeah, that's where I got my name from.

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Speaker 1: So I got a lot to live up to. I

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Speaker 1: My mom intended for her son to have that name

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Speaker 2: Kind of presence. So I was like, damn, IM a

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Speaker 4: But Pope fiction was hilarious because it was Inglewood and

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Speaker 4: I started playing football in Inglewood and I'm Marcel's He's

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Speaker 4: Marcelus Wallace, I'm Marcel's Wiley. And it's just like when

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Speaker 4: trying to correct somebody on their name. I don't give

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Speaker 4: So I don't really correct cats. But then they start

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Speaker 4: getting weird Marcellus Wallace and then they go ha, like

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Speaker 4: I ain't got no bandate in the back of my head, bro,

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Speaker 4: they ain't been to me over like that with the apples,

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Speaker 4: so relax. So that's the only time I kind of

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Speaker 1: That's nope, I didn't know. I didn't know the cashius

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Speaker 1: Marcellus Clay. All right, you are no longer at the

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Speaker 1: confines of ESPN. Although, like I said, you you you

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Speaker 1: talk shit. You you were great shit talker, but you

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Speaker 2: You do it where you know like you have. It's

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Speaker 1: Like for me sometimes like I need and it's like

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Speaker 2: But I've never cursed on live television, not once, not once,

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Speaker 2: cost slipping, never, not once.

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Speaker 1: And people are shy, you know when I go on

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Speaker 1: live teep, if I go on to talk show. One

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Speaker 1: can't remember what show, but they had the lawyer come down.

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Speaker 1: They're like, you know, I'm like, come on, man, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me walk through it. So I started My

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Speaker 4: It was just like follow that Dude or something. I

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Speaker 4: back then. I'm still top five hydrated. That means when

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Speaker 4: so Big Tig. So you say Big Tiger asked him.

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Speaker 3: They say so. They say, okay, I'm still saying something.

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Speaker 2: I love you. So I'm I had that show.

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Speaker 4: So I've always been me light song, light, soft, camera on,

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Speaker 4: Royce just clown around right, and no, Lie, I was

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Speaker 4: I was just winning. I mean, I was looking like

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Speaker 4: So I was like, I don't like that. Go to ESPN.

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Speaker 4: The only time they tap you is one you're talking

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Speaker 4: about their partners, like NBA or something. You're going a

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Speaker 4: little too hard. Beato found that out the hard way.

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Speaker 4: You know NFL you're going a little too hard, or

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Speaker 4: you're not showing camaraderie, like you don't feel what your

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Speaker 4: though we going in on each other at Bospo's a

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Speaker 4: it's intentional. So explain it's natural. So they'll go through

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Speaker 4: who's gonna win Jets and Patriots? I say Jets, You

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Speaker 4: Giants or Falcons? I say giants, You say falcons. Oh,

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Speaker 4: keep that one alive, because naturally we disagree. They go

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Speaker 4: through that as Tom Brady great or is Tom Brady

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Speaker 4: I got tired of talking to people because when you're

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Brady is amazing. He could

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Speaker 2: One of the things that's changed so much.

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Speaker 2: Podcast everybody's got a podcast, everybody's got a YouTube, I mean, tips, everybody's.

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Speaker 1: Is that is it that there's opinions everywhere under the sun.

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Speaker 4: Not the full sense of liberating because I was talking

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Speaker 2: I'm up there to my girls and the club and

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Speaker 4: x's and those boring ey's and yous, Right, people, what's

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Speaker 2: Oh, shred. Marshawn got the ball on the fourth.

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Speaker 4: I will say there's one degree everybody that I work with.

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Speaker 4: I won't drown because you can't drown yourself, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: them miss shots in the game. Some of them don't

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Speaker 4: play and they misshots because it's a relative experience. But

434
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Speaker 4: I was like, to your point, Scalabrinie shouldn't be taking

435
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 4: these jokes. White mambles shouldn't be taking these joke.

436
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Speaker 1: The number fiftieth guy on any one of your football

437
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,400
Speaker 1: teams will probably bust your ass in basketball all simeer.

438
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Speaker 1: I mean, these guys are who do you like in

439
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Speaker 1: sports media that has played sports? And who do you

440
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: like in sports media that hasn't played? Steven A hasn't played,

441
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Speaker 1: Shannon played, Skip didn't play.

442
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Speaker 2: Who are the guys that you enjoy watching? You know?

443
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Speaker 4: I mean I take a slice from all of them.

444
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Speaker 4: But in totality. I love Colin Coward, I love them

445
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Speaker 4: on air. I love them especially in that radio element

446
00:20:58,440 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 4: insane Dan Patrick.

447
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 2: I love stephen A.

448
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Speaker 4: I love but I know stephen A's I know his

449
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 4: beats now, so it's kind of like robbing me of

450
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Speaker 4: like you just know the movie now, you know what

451
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Speaker 4: I mean. We've seen him for so long. Yeah, and

452
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Speaker 4: so you know. I love his entertainment value. I love

453
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Speaker 4: his theatrics. He's captivating every time I'm like scrolling now

454
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Speaker 4: see stephen A. I swear I don't even read the

455
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Speaker 4: caption I'm watching it got to I know he gonna

456
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Speaker 4: give it to me, but I know what that is

457
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Speaker 4: as well.

458
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Speaker 2: It's tough for the guys who used to play. It's simple.

459
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Speaker 4: The guys who used to play have a deeper investment

460
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Speaker 4: and a higher interest and a deeper respect for the

461
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Speaker 4: game to go to those places, to be the man

462
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Speaker 4: I gave you the top five, I give you know,

463
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Speaker 4: Skip Shannon, Colin, Dan Patrick, stephen A. To be those

464
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Speaker 4: guys who all didn't play at the highest level. There

465
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Speaker 4: has to be a part of your game that you're

466
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Speaker 4: gonna go there and that you have went there, right.

467
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Speaker 4: It's almost like they say their relationship always be like

468
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Speaker 4: one percent crazy because they were like, they gotta respect you,

469
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Speaker 4: they got to know you a goal there, And I

470
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Speaker 4: don't know if that's true, but I know in sports media,

471
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Speaker 4: the cats who win the culture rewards those who didn't

472
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Speaker 4: play it. I never would go to that degree. I

473
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Speaker 4: just wouldn't, and therefore I plat told part of the

474
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Speaker 4: reason I left.

475
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Speaker 2: Because I dog, I'm in the velvet coffin.

476
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Speaker 4: They are feeding me like a turkey to die slowly

477
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Speaker 4: and be comfortable doing it. I am never gonna get

478
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Speaker 4: with Steven Aggets. I'm never gonna get with none of

479
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Speaker 4: those names. Gonna get because I'm never gonna go there.

480
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Speaker 4: And that's fine. I'm comfortable with that. But then what

481
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Speaker 4: really got me out the door, at least mentally, was like,

482
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Speaker 4: wait a minute. Pat McAfee wasn't even allowed to get

483
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Speaker 4: on ESPN. They didn't allow him on they didn't think

484
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Speaker 4: he was good enough for he was a punter that

485
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Speaker 4: ain't good enough, and I was on ESPN. So I'm

486
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Speaker 4: in the job that he wanted and couldn't get. Now

487
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Speaker 4: I look up five years later, he done lap me

488
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Speaker 4: ninety thousand times, and I'm like wait a minute, ain't

489
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Speaker 4: done change. So I've had these inflection moments in my life.

490
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Speaker 4: Before I went to Columbia, I didn't go to the

491
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Speaker 4: football schools that were recruiting me.

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Speaker 2: And Cass was like, are you dumb? You ain't gonna

493
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Speaker 2: make it to the league. Excuse me?

494
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Speaker 4: And then I had the same moment when I was

495
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Speaker 4: leaving the NFL only ten years. I say only because

496
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: I had more in me and Cass was like, where

497
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Speaker 4: are you going? I was like, I'm probably broadcast. I

498
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Speaker 4: don't know, I'll figure it out. You don't leave the

499
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 4: NFL without knowing, and you don't leave the NFL to.

500
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Speaker 2: Just go somewhere and talk. What'd you say? I hear you?

501
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 2: So now I'm in that same place. You don't leave

502
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Speaker 2: traditional linear cable media to just go in your studio

503
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Speaker 2: down in your basement and do a daily show. Y'all

504
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Speaker 2: watch me. And That's what I'm doing, and that's what

505
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Speaker 2: it's about. Do you still speak to Max? Are you

506
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Speaker 2: a Max Cool? Oh?

507
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Speaker 4: That's my dog, that's my brother from another I mean,

508
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Speaker 4: I love that dude to death.

509
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Speaker 2: Cause your show, Max and Marcel's was awesome, best show

510
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Speaker 2: ever I think, And I humbly say that.

511
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Speaker 4: No, it was great, and I humbly say that, but

512
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 4: you know, every every single day of my life, it

513
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 4: feels like someone comes up to me and says that.

514
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Speaker 2: So I'm just now regurgitating it was the best show.

515
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Speaker 3: Do you see? Have you talked?

516
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Speaker 1: Would it be a possibility since he's no longer at ESPN,

517
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Speaker 1: since you're a free agent, you're both free agents, and

518
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: we're in a new media where you guys could do

519
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: it on your own terms. Would that be something that

520
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Speaker 1: would come back?

521
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Speaker 2: Max? And more slace, more solace and Max? Would that

522
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Speaker 2: come back? Absolutely?

523
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Speaker 4: It can come back, And I think I could say

524
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Speaker 4: absolutely it will, But when is the conversation?

525
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Speaker 2: All right?

526
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Speaker 4: So you know, I'm gonna say everything that if you

527
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 4: know where to look, you would know this. But if

528
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Speaker 4: you don't, you won't because I ain't gonna out my boy,

529
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Speaker 4: Max gotta let go. We all saw it come and

530
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Speaker 4: stop playing. Once him and steven A had that beef,

531
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Speaker 4: I was like, TikTok, talk TikTok, and steven A runs

532
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 4: that spot. So I'm like, all right, they gave him

533
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Speaker 4: this just in and you know his boxing, but that

534
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,160
Speaker 4: was consolation and I've learned in this game right now,

535
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Speaker 4: when they don't intend for you to do something, when

536
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 4: it's just an empty check, you and tru count the times, count,

537
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: the days, count, the minutes it's over.

538
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Speaker 2: So I knew that was gonna come to an end.

539
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 2: When it did come to an end.

540
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Speaker 4: For Max, remember he's still under contract, like getting paid,

541
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Speaker 4: so he has a runway in front of him until

542
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Speaker 4: next year. At the end of the year, he has

543
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Speaker 4: a runway. Keith Shan got a four year runway. So

544
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Speaker 4: they're both gonna do things, but they just got time

545
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: and they can be patient with what they do. So

546
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Speaker 4: as the friend, him and I have been talking as

547
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 4: the friend, not the co host business partner. I'm like, dog,

548
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 4: figure your life out, figure your sports media laying out,

549
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,400
Speaker 4: don't worry about me. We always soon as we left,

550
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 4: because he told me day one when first Take called him.

551
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Speaker 2: I remember we were doing the show and during during

552
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Speaker 2: the break, he was this, how you talk? She said.

553
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Speaker 4: I'm laughing at him. I'm like, oh, this fool over

554
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 4: there talking real money, real business. He's like he hung up.

555
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: He's like they talking real and we start talking through

556
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Speaker 4: the details and I was like, purse, I love you.

557
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Speaker 4: This is amazing, but go get it because we were

558
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Speaker 4: just local radio, but we were like the fourth most

559
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Speaker 4: popular ESPN radio show and all the rest were national shows,

560
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: and we were beating national shows. We were killing it,

561
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: and I was like, Dart Peace, go get your money,

562
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 4: go get your shine. But we always said we got

563
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Speaker 4: a golden ticket in our back pocket.

564
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Speaker 2: So we still do. It's just about win before we

565
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Speaker 2: get it going.

566
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Speaker 3: I'm reading between the lines. I'm reading between the line.

567
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Speaker 2: I'm trying. I'm trying.

568
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Speaker 1: Going back to what you said and what we were

569
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Speaker 1: just discussing. Are you Marcellus, You're smart? You probably played

570
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Speaker 1: basketball growing up.

571
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Speaker 2: Oh, I suck.

572
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Speaker 4: I played one year. I was a horrible one on

573
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Speaker 4: the court. We won a championship.

574
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Speaker 2: I suck. But you played one year.

575
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Speaker 4: I'm really I wish I would have played my whole

576
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Speaker 4: childhood because I would have been more athletic.

577
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Speaker 2: Okay, well yeah, yeah, you know sports. I know you're

578
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Speaker 2: a big Clippers fan, right since.

579
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Speaker 1: You never played basketball at a high level, you self

580
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: admittedly suck. Can you should you be respected when you're

581
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Speaker 1: talking about basketball or is it coming as a sports

582
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: and basketball fan? Obviously when you talk football, I might

583
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 1: not agree with you, but I have to take heed

584
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Speaker 1: very seriously because you did it. Just like if I'm

585
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: talking about film acting. You know, you might not agree

586
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: with me and it's something, but I've done it, and

587
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: I've done it.

588
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Speaker 2: So when we when we listen, you talk about NBA,

589
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 2: and since.

590
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Speaker 1: You're a diehard, poor, poor poor Clipper fan, you should

591
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 1: should that same thing apply?

592
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: Like should we listen to moreselves when he talks about

593
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Speaker 2: the NBA? Absolutely should?

594
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 4: Why just like why should I listen to Bill Belichick

595
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: tell me about the NFL and football when he only

596
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 4: played at college at Wesley and it was a center,

597
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 4: Like you know, there are levels to this, Like I'm

598
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 4: not saying take my words to the same level and

599
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 4: degree as you would Charles Barkley, you know what I mean, Like,

600
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: calm down, I get it. There are levels to this,

601
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 4: but I don't dismiss anyone. But I'm the same person

602
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: that walks into the liquor store and the homeless guy

603
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 4: is standing there, and besides giving them some money, I

604
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 4: actually listen to.

605
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 2: I say hello, how are you, what's up?

606
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 4: And if he says something, if he drops a jewel,

607
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 4: I'm taking it and running with it. But I see

608
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: a lot of people in this world will be like, oh,

609
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 4: the homeless man said that.

610
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm always into the message.

611
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,240
Speaker 4: I don't give a damn who the messenger is great,

612
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 4: So when it comes to doing TV, yes, great that

613
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 4: you have this as your degree and your resume and

614
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 4: you got this kind of letterman jacket with all the

615
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 4: stripes salute at the same time, what did you say?

616
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 4: And I'm listening to that, And if you said something

617
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 4: that was making me think twice or something that was

618
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 4: entertaining me or educating me, I got to give you

619
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 4: a prop. So I just say, it's levels to it.

620
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Speaker 1: Do you enjoy like players that are participating playing in

621
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Speaker 1: the NFL, in the NBA, the Kels, brother, Draymond, your boy, Paul, George. Now,

622
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's literally like almost it's not just everybody's

623
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: got a podcast. Every player in the league has a podcast.

624
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy it? Do you think they're they're sharing

625
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: too much?

626
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Who do you like? Who do you not like? And

627
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: what do you think of it as a whole?

628
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: The NFL players and NBA players you know talking, you

629
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: know Draymond's doing, you know podcasts after games? Yeah, pull George.

630
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: This season we'll see because he started last year. He

631
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: was hurt. What do you think of the whole thing?

632
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it why for many reasons.

633
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 4: One, there's an old adage that and it happens to

634
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 4: a lot of athletes, like they don't have the foresight.

635
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 4: I know a lot of athletes now they're smart, I

636
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 4: don't know if they're intelligent, And there's a big difference.

637
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: They're smart because they knew that they had an athletic

638
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 4: gift and they ran with it, but they weren't so

639
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 4: intelligent to realize that that was gonna stop short.

640
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: You can't ball. I don't give a damn who you are.

641
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 4: You're not balling your whole life, right, Tom Brady still

642
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 4: got a whole life to live after playing forever. So

643
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 4: I always questioned the athletes intelligence, like damn, where's your

644
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: plan B, where's your plan C? So it went from

645
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 4: there to you get into where these athletes are not

646
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: thinking ahead.

647
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: Right.

648
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 4: So there's an old adage that basically says, too many

649
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 4: athletes say hello when it's time to say goodbye. So

650
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 4: they start networking in their eleventh year and they start saying, oh,

651
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,960
Speaker 4: let me be nice to these reporters in their thirteenth year,

652
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 4: you know, on the way out, you know anybody, all

653
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 4: of them, Yes, them too, start signing more autographs and

654
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 4: being looser and nicer, I mean, respectfully, rest in peace.

655
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 4: But I remember talking to Kobe about that before we passed.

656
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 4: Kobe did that his last year. Kobe was nice, Like

657
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 4: Kobe was on the sideline on the bench and hanging

658
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: shigning his shoes.

659
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: Kobe used to be locked in, like, boy, don't you

660
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: disturb me. It was a whole.

661
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 4: Different animal because the persona now had to shift right.

662
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: So I look at athletes that are doing this now,

663
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: saying they're ahead of the game, ahead of the curve.

664
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 4: I have that regret that when my boy, Matt Linsen,

665
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: I went to college with him twenty seventeen. I'm at

666
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 4: his crib in Newport and he's like, you need to

667
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 4: start a podcast and I was like podcast, why what?

668
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: And he's just breaking it down, and I swear I

669
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: took it with an ego. I was like, that sounds

670
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 4: like a demotion. That sounds like do you know what

671
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 4: I'm doing right now? Like I'm working at ESPN, got

672
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,959
Speaker 4: offers from Fox about to be stuffed with the pseudo

673
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 4: getting paid what you're talking about podcasts. Like I thought

674
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 4: it was just some like you know, backpack rap, you

675
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And I was like, nah b

676
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: and I didn't take him seriously. Then next year I

677
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 4: finally was like, I do love the DJ. I do

678
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 4: love the rap top five you can look at all

679
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 4: you want. I love being intimate with conversations and not

680
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 4: just programmed.

681
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: All right, let me look into this.

682
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 4: And then I start building it out slowly, and then

683
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 4: the pandemic hit. And this is my regret, So the

684
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: pandemic hit shut us all down that I had to

685
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: do Foxes Show from Home. Whitlock left mid you know,

686
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 4: right around there mid pandemic. Right after that, my agent,

687
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 4: super agent Nick Cohn left to go to WWE and

688
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 4: run that. Now he runs WWE, that's a whole different story,

689
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: and salute to him. And then I was like, all right,

690
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 4: I'm about to do this podcast. I can smell it now.

691
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 4: This is the next thing. And literally when I was

692
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: building out, had my studio all set up like this,

693
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 4: had it ready in my poolhouse Ko Caitlin style, you

694
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.

695
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm ready, I'm ready.

696
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 4: And then I went in there as you can see

697
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 4: I sweat a lot, and I was like, damn, I

698
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: need a AC unit in here.

699
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, call the installer.

700
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: He was coming over next week to install the AC

701
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 4: unit so that the podcast.

702
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: Studio was complete. And guess what.

703
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 4: Soon as he came over, I was in the process

704
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,239
Speaker 4: of finding another house. My wife and I have been

705
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: kind of soft looking looking for a long time. We

706
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: saw this house. We was like, this is our dream house.

707
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 4: We moving there. And then I was like, damn, all

708
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: this stuff I set up, I broke it back down,

709
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: and once again I got fat and full.

710
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: I'm on Fox her and I ain't gonna do the podcast.

711
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 4: So then I look up and McAfee tap me on

712
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 4: the shoulder, Rogan tap me on the shoulder, and countless

713
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: others out there, and those plaques right there that say

714
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: one hundred thousand and millions subscribed.

715
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I was like, oh snap.

716
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 4: I was like, your boy Ben told you you felt it,

717
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: but you didn't act on it, right, And faith without

718
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 4: action is death, and that's why I'm up here dying.

719
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 4: And then they're offering me plateau numbers or a lesser

720
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 4: version or a different version or something I don't.

721
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 2: Want to do, and I'm like, you mothersucker.

722
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: Now now it's almost like the universe and I were

723
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 4: just in the conversation, like you're gonna better on yourself

724
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: now again again because you did it for Columbia, you

725
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 4: did it going broadcasting.

726
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: Now you're just gonna sit up here and be sixty

727
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: years old.

728
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 4: Tombo dak is top five, which is a good conversation,

729
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 4: but shouldn't be the only one and certainly doesn't allow

730
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: me to flex all my muscles.

731
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of flexing your muscles, you spoke particularly at FS

732
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,240
Speaker 1: one it is pandemas more but pandemic. Post George Floyd,

733
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: sports media changed in a big way, you know, and

734
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: I really agree with and I reposted so many of

735
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: your takes on social issues. But sometimes when I read

736
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: in your comments or I'm like, I'm commenting, you know,

737
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: let's go uncle tom oh, sellout.

738
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: This that. And the third.

739
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: Articulate the complication of keeping it real being a black

740
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 1: person with a voice, being a black person in media,

741
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: what it means to you when you're called that, what

742
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: it means to be a thinker, what it means to

743
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: be an independent thinker, and all those things. Because I

744
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: know you could talk the shittiest of the shit. And

745
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: I know where you're from know, and without even having

746
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: a conversation, I just I just know, like, Yo, this

747
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: dude's from the hood. Like, not everybody from the hood

748
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:12,959
Speaker 1: is going or should think, speak, agree on the same things.

749
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: It makes me sick on social media when people assume

750
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: or imply that people should all think the same way.

751
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: It's disgusting, And people like, yo, you're white, do you

752
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: have nothing to say? But I'm like, I'm just letting

753
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: you know that if you if you think. And then

754
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: it gets into politics where it's like, you know, we're

755
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: these these sweeping things like we're gonna get the black

756
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: vote because of what like as if that's like a

757
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: you know, like a fucking cattle of people. So but

758
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: just like, what is your what is your sort of

759
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: mentality with everything? I just sort of thrown which isn't

760
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: even a question?

761
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 4: No, and it shouldn't be a question, ladies and gentlemen.

762
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 4: This is the show right now. Let's talk through this.

763
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: This might be the only topic we have left. Oh man, ah,

764
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 4: it's so much I can say. Let's start here. I

765
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 4: am from the hood right now, being from the hood,

766
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 4: there's a couple of things you quickly understand, Right, I

767
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: use up a lot of my mental space navigating around bullshit.

768
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 4: And now the craziest thing was it was bullshit to me,

769
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 4: but it was real shit.

770
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: In the world. So gangsters.

771
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 4: Everybody was scared or everybody had props in love for

772
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 4: the gangster, right, Oh man, yo he cool, or oh man,

773
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: he's scary. And I had none of that for the gangster.

774
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 4: Why cause I had three uncles who were gangsters. So

775
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 4: I'm a young kid growing up. I'm in Compton. Then

776
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: we moved to this off slaught in the south central world,

777
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,959
Speaker 4: and my uncles were the man in the streets. The man,

778
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: I mean all them.

779
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: Curly curls, perms.

780
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 4: Blue rollers, coutless like every stereotypical yo. He killing the game.

781
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 4: They were them, but people didn't know that. I was

782
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 4: watching them come in the house, y'all, watching them come

783
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 4: out the house. So out the house, they scaring y'all.

784
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 4: Out the house. You bound down to them when they

785
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 4: came to the house. I saw my uncles crying, I

786
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 4: saw my uncles weak. I saw my uncles try to

787
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 4: rub two nickels together at times, you know, But they

788
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: the man. So it was just weird this contrast. So

789
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 4: I'm looking at this, I'm like seven eight years old.

790
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 4: Two of them die getting murdered, one committed suicide. So

791
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: already I'm already knowing this ain't the path. So I

792
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 4: was never ever enticed to be hard. As matter of fact,

793
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 4: I found strength and walking up to somebody hard and

794
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 4: checking them. So he looked at me, what's up a

795
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: little hommy? I was like, why you're not smiling? Oh man,

796
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: what youre talking about?

797
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:37,919
Speaker 2: Little who? Little homie? Is this? Better?

798
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: Go get them? I'm like, you know you want to smile?

799
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 4: Why did I feel protected to do that?

800
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: One?

801
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 4: I had those uncles who were like, ain't nobody touching

802
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: little Wiley. Two, I was smart, so I had me

803
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 4: this whole like label in the class that he's a nerd.

804
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 4: But then they would tease me for being a nerd.

805
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: But then they stopped teasing me because I was the

806
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 4: MVP on they team. So I had them all boxed in.

807
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 4: Everywhere you try to come at me, don't fuck well,

808
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 4: because Wiley got it. And so I was like in

809
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,959
Speaker 4: a safe space in my head even though I still

810
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 4: was around real shit.

811
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 2: So what I learned is I'm betting on me. My

812
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: mom used to always say, you are enough. I don't

813
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: need a chorus. I just need to write my lyrics down.

814
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,320
Speaker 2: And I'm a singer. Who doing background me? What's your background?

815
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: My actions? I give a damn if anybody else agree

816
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: with me.

817
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 4: If I'm standing on truth, oh, I'm standing higher than

818
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 4: all y'all.

819
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: So I understand that principle.

820
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 4: Now you fast forward to get into your conversation about

821
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 4: what happened and the FS one, and everything changed.

822
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 2: When I went to FS one, I.

823
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 4: Was saying the exact same things I was saying at ESPN.

824
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 4: You know what changed, my co host, you know what changed?

825
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 4: I worked at Fox now, not ESPN. ESPN is deemed liberal.

826
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 4: Fox is deemed conservative republican. And if you're a conservative

827
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: Republican and white, you are a racist. If you're conservative

828
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 4: Republican and you are a sellout, So do a law

829
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: of association. Co hosts where I'm working, the same thing

830
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 4: I was saying that was looked at.

831
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, go Wiley, you okay, that's an interesting

832
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 2: way to look at Kaepernick's interesting way to look at

833
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: the situation. Now you say the same, the same thing. Oh,

834
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: this sellout.

835
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,319
Speaker 4: So I knew that the back of the class had

836
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: grabbed the mic. That's what social media is to me.

837
00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 4: The back of the class got the mic. And when

838
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 4: I was in school and I was in class, I

839
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 4: used to hate when the they were my homies too,

840
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: and look we kicked it. Don't act like I ain't

841
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: do dirt with them. But I was like, dog, we

842
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 4: in class.

843
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 3: Shut up.

844
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 2: I don't care about your feel a suit. I don't

845
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,959
Speaker 2: care about how Tiffany think you cute. Like I'm trying

846
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: to learn the capital of Kansas, like you know what

847
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Like let me stay here.

848
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: And then we gonna go here during nutrition lunch after school.

849
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: And cast didn't get it. And then those same casts

850
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 4: regret it when they see you out there actually flying

851
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 4: higher than they are when they could have flown as

852
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 4: high as you did. Right, So I wasn't caught up

853
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 4: in the traffic of I'm gonna sell out and.

854
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: Or oh he's really preaching.

855
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 4: What I noticed was that everybody picked a side. And

856
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 4: I've been through that experience before, so I laughed at

857
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: like all these people who were trying to put a

858
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 4: label on me. When the black community, any community, should

859
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 4: not be labeled like, but that's that's the cons that's

860
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 4: the con. That's the negative of culture.

861
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 1: And it's the con. It's the con, it's the kind,

862
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: it's the negative. It's but it's the con and the con. Yes,

863
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: because this is what happens.

864
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 4: Culture is nothing but thoughts, words and actions that we

865
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 4: all subscribe to.

866
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 2: Right, the culture.

867
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 4: Right, That's why you can have a white rapper. That's

868
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 4: why you can have a black skateboarder. It's a culture.

869
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 4: Like if you buying into that culture, your thoughts, words

870
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 4: and actions are that you're part of that culture. Now

871
00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 4: here's the problem. These cultures are laid man, they're not nimble. Right, Look,

872
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: it's respect because cultures do a great job in certain respects.

873
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 4: Like if your culture Nigerian culture, you know what they're

874
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: not culture is be educated, get your degree and work hard.

875
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 4: Why do I know that because I know a lot

876
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: of Nigerians and they tell me that's what the culture is.

877
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 2: Right. I'm all right, and I'm seeing the results. I'm like, yeah,

878
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: I hear you.

879
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 4: And the culture that I was a part of being

880
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 4: black was telling me something that I ain't agree with.

881
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,760
Speaker 4: At times, I don't have to look at Colin Kaepernick,

882
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 4: I don't have to look at Black Lives Matter. Those

883
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 4: are my two ones that people were starting to call

884
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: me a sellout over. I ain't gotta agree with Kaepernick,

885
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: what the hell? Because he's black man, he ain't helping nobody,

886
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: and if he is good for him, get in line.

887
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: We all trying to help in certain ways.

888
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 4: But if you think I gotta agree with him, then

889
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,399
Speaker 4: why just because we the same skin color?

890
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: Weak? Black Lives Matter? I was talking about that one. Now.

891
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people came to my side

892
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 4: on that one, like why they might have been right?

893
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 4: And I tell people all the time, I'm not a hater.

894
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: I just tell the truth too early. And I told

895
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 4: the truth too early on CAP. Now I've had countless

896
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: people come up to me in private and be like, hey,

897
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 4: broh man, I was I gotta apologize to you about

898
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: your Kapernick stuff. I was cursing you out blah blah blah.

899
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 4: I got DMS from celebs A listers, and I would

900
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 4: never leak this because I protect the guilty. I don't

901
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 4: care about it. I don't need shine like that. But

902
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: I got guys I could bring down that got literal

903
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: receipts of them pro cap and then DM and me

904
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 4: and hitting me all day talking about keep killing this

905
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 4: dude because you tell them the truth. I was like, well,

906
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 4: first of I'm not trying to kill the dude. I'm

907
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: just trying to say, look, I'm challenging him. And then

908
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: I'm making his fan base critically think that's it. So

909
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 4: if I were in that position this Cap man, I

910
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 4: would have just did it different. But it wasn't for me.

911
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 4: I wasn't in that position, but I would have made

912
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 4: the NFL own the NFL. If I had that much momentum,

913
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: that much of the world's attention span, I would have

914
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 4: made the NFL have to bow down, you have to

915
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: instead of settled with them.

916
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: But hey, to each his own podcast.

917
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: Yes, what is your stance? Your take?

918
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: How would you solve running backs getting paid? Should running

919
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 1: running backs get paid? Is it just a business? If

920
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: you're only able to play for three years, should all

921
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,839
Speaker 1: you guys in the NFL have some guaranteed money? You

922
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: did it, It's changed. There's more money now for your

923
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 1: position than there was. There's more money in the NFL

924
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: than there was when even when you played, which seems

925
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: like seventy five years ago. But but what is your

926
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: take on the specifically the running back and you know,

927
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: the running back position and guaranteed money in the NFL.

928
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: Will that ever be something that's not You don't have

929
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: to like be the star of the start to get

930
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: guaranteed money.

931
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: Man, let me just start here.

932
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: I remember taking this class at ESPN, and this is

933
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 4: why when you were talking about like my basketball knowledge

934
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 4: versus someone who we experienced it.

935
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 2: And it's funny.

936
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: They always told us never to ask two questions because

937
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 4: the person responding will always take the easier of the two.

938
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 2: Right, So I'm not going to do that.

939
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 4: But I love when I hear that because I'm guilty

940
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 4: of it as well, Like don't give him.

941
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: A way out here we go. I'm a former running back.

942
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 2: I'm in Colombia, I'm at in university. I'm a college

943
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 2: football player who's playing running back.

944
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 4: So I love the position. I was sick growing up.

945
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 4: I was sick as not good, not great, sick. I

946
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: got film to prove it, I got the recruiting. Everybody

947
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: was on my head and then I got bigger and bigger.

948
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 4: My mom was gigantic.

949
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,400
Speaker 2: My mom was six one two fifty and here I

950
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 2: am playing running back and I'm like five eleven one

951
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 2: fifty one sixty. And then my senior year I got

952
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 2: up to like six feet point eighty and literally my

953
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 2: freshman year, I'm still a running back. In college.

954
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 4: My coach comes up to me, clown, and he's like, yo, Wiley,

955
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 4: when you gonna grow? I was like what he was like, Man,

956
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 4: I think we recruited the wrong Wiley. We should have

957
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 4: got your mama shit bigger than you, and my mama was.

958
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 4: I was a sophomore in college. My mom was bigger

959
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: than me, Mike Singletary style, right. So I love running backs. However,

960
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 4: they shouldn't get paid and they ain't gonna get paid

961
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 4: like they think they should get paid.

962
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why.

963
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 4: In football, there's only two paths, the one of least

964
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 4: resistance and most resistance.

965
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 2: Simple as that.

966
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 4: The top yards per catch last year twenty points something, the.

967
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: Top rushing yard yards per rush.

968
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 4: That's how you said six. Wait a minute, twenty and six. Okay,

969
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 4: that's part one. Like so on average, it still comes

970
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: down from twenty to fourteen, and the average go from

971
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 4: six to four.

972
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,440
Speaker 1: But before before, I before, and I know where going

973
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna argue you know you better, but

974
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: I will argue, God damn it. Can those receivers catch

975
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 1: those balls without the threat of the run.

976
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 4: Okay, now you've taken us to a different conversation. The

977
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 4: value conversation is it's harder to run the football, to

978
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: get first downs, to get points than it is to

979
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 4: pass the football. Second part of that is the rules

980
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:21,839
Speaker 4: support the passing game. You can't touch them, defenseless receivers, etc.

981
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 4: Versus the running game. So not only is it easier

982
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 4: just in dynamics the physics of the game, but it's

983
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: also easier because of the rules that support it. They

984
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 4: want scoring, They want scoring through the passing game. Now,

985
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 4: here's what you're talking about. What's complimentary, who's complimenting? Who

986
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 4: is the passing game setting up the running game? The

987
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 4: running game is setting up the passing game. Here to

988
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 4: tell you that you can. It's almost like they said,

989
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 4: defense wins championships. Yeah, but if you don't score no points,

990
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 4: you ain't winning no championship.

991
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 2: Right.

992
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 4: So then they start saying, well, you got to outscore

993
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 4: your opponents to win, right, And we're starting to see

994
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 4: that even when the Chiefs haven't had great defense, says

995
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: they own a dynasty right now. Point being, so here's

996
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 4: the thing I would subscribe. And I see the NFL

997
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 4: doing it to the passing game leading the charge, and

998
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 4: then you balance that out. You complement that with a

999
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 4: good running game. But it's not necessary as much as

1000
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 4: a passing game's necessary.

1001
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Give it to you simple. Let's not overthink this.

1002
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: If I run the football like I used to do it,

1003
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 4: in the box, they're seven to nine guys. They weigh

1004
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: everything from two hundred pounds well in the box two

1005
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 4: point thirty. The smallest linebacker maybe two twenty, all the

1006
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 4: way to three thirty, two twenty to three thirty. Seven

1007
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: to nine guys. If I'm playing receiver, I'm going against

1008
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 4: one guy. He may weigh two hundred pounds. All I

1009
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 4: gotta to do. If I'm justin jefferson Is says, said,

1010
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 4: hire seven yards. If I am Ezekiel Elliott said, hike.

1011
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: Three yards. Do that again.

1012
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: It's second to seven versus second and three. So the

1013
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 4: point of it is, it's the analytics. It's the smarter,

1014
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 4: not harder approach, but it's also just a path of

1015
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 4: least resistance. Throwing the football is like, so defeating now

1016
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: running the football on someone.

1017
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 2: You take the clock, you take the pace, you get

1018
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 2: the yards.

1019
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: It's amazing. But let me give you this dynamic. You

1020
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 4: run the football. If you average four yards five yards

1021
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: of rush, you're killing the game. Okay, So it takes

1022
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 4: you on a fifteen play drive seventy five yards doom.

1023
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: Running the football the whole wait took nine minutes off

1024
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 4: the clock. Oh, rest in peace, John Matten. He's somewhere smiling, right.

1025
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 4: And then the other team gets the ball, said, Hi, fact,

1026
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 4: quick pass screen touchdown eighty yards took four seconds. You

1027
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: know what's defeating?

1028
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 2: Yo? How long is it gonna take us to score?

1029
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 3: Oh?

1030
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 4: The defense is wrestling, Yeah, but the offense is out there,

1031
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 4: ain't doing much and all it takes is one hiccup

1032
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 4: and then this ain't hard to hiccup.

1033
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 2: So to me, I'm sorry. Running backs half of most resistance.

1034
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 4: Therefore, those who construct teams have come to the understanding

1035
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: that we shouldn't pay that guy. Plus you can get

1036
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 4: an undrafted seventh round guy to similate that better than

1037
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: you can a seventh rounder to simulate that quarterback and

1038
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: that receiver.

1039
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: It's a different animal, is it gonna change in general

1040
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 1: for all of the NFL players ever getting guaranteed money

1041
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: besides just the cream of the crop.

1042
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 4: Power never concedes. So look, they deserve guaranteed contracts. I

1043
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 4: deserve guaranteed contracts. To the contract conversation, Joey Bosa think

1044
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 4: we had the same exact numbers when he got paid.

1045
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 4: He got paid one hundred and twenty million. I got

1046
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 4: paid forty. Now inflation took care at all that, right,

1047
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 4: but the same level of production, he's better than me.

1048
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that. I'm just saying when he got

1049
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: paid and I got paid, we were kind of close,

1050
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 4: and he got three x. What's gonna happen is that's

1051
00:49:55,719 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: gonna continue to grow the revenue. The inflation's gonna kick.

1052
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,320
Speaker 4: These guys are gonna get paid fully guaranteed. You're a

1053
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:08,479
Speaker 4: sly sartially guarantee because Deshaun Watson got fully guaranteed. Kirk

1054
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 4: Cousins has gotten it twice of magnitude. And what happens

1055
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 4: is they looked at those as outliers instead of the rule.

1056
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 4: So here's the thing that's really gonna kick in. You

1057
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 4: look at it going forward. Why aren't they gonna get

1058
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 4: fully guaranteed contracts. Simply they don't have enough power to

1059
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 4: enforce that.

1060
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 2: Sakwon Barkley was talking to all that trash in the offseason.

1061
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 2: Good for him. I was behind him.

1062
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 4: And then they have a zoom meeting and then two

1063
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 4: days later he signs the tag with the little incentives.

1064
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:37,919
Speaker 2: Why.

1065
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 4: I was a player rep for nine of my ten years,

1066
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 4: and we used to always talk about a war chess

1067
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 4: war chests, basically, what are the reserves we have in

1068
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 4: case of litigation, in case we got to take the

1069
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 4: NFL to task. Let's just say I don't even remember

1070
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: the exact numbers, but it was like a few hundred million.

1071
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 4: Now you're gonna take to to prove to power that

1072
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 4: they need to give you full of guarantee contracts.

1073
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 2: That comes with force.

1074
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 4: That's not coming out of the good will and an

1075
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: altruistic spirit all we care about them. It's coming out

1076
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 4: of power. Power conceize only if it's beaten by more power. Right,

1077
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 4: there are thirty two owners in the NFL. Really Green

1078
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 4: Bay doesn't count. But whatever, Let's say.

1079
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: They all got billions billions, Uh that war chest.

1080
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 4: If you want to litigate it, it will be the

1081
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 4: same thing that happened with the PGA Tour and live Golf.

1082
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: Live Golf is like what y'all want to do? They

1083
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:38,800
Speaker 2: want to go to court. All y'all want to merge,

1084
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,359
Speaker 2: and they merge, then they or they're trying to still

1085
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 2: point being big bank take little bank man.

1086
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 4: And I wish the nfl PA was older like the

1087
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 4: Baseball Union. All it is is a time conversation kind

1088
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 4: of parallel to a lot of our social justice race issues.

1089
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 4: It's a time conversation, you know, if you want to generalize,

1090
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 4: white people have been having money for four hundred years

1091
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 4: and black people have been having it for forty you

1092
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And it's like it's a different relay.

1093
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 4: Like dog, you getting a baton so far behind? Now,

1094
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 4: my coach would immediately say, yeah, you got the baton behind,

1095
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 4: but what was your split? What did you do when

1096
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 4: you got the baton? And that's what I'm trying to

1097
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 4: tell my people. All people, look, don't care when you

1098
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 4: get the baton. I know you're gonna waste your efforts

1099
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 4: and trying to erase history. You got the baton. When

1100
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 4: you got the baton, my mama and daddy both were broke.

1101
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 4: I didn't resent them. It was a little I was

1102
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 4: a little perturbed at times, like damn food stamps, welfare

1103
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 4: comptence auton, like y'all, y'all didn't.

1104
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: Save two Nicholas. But then I was like, that was

1105
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 2: who they were.

1106
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 4: That's guess what they were giving even less right, So

1107
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, now, I could have bitched the

1108
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: moaned forever talking about my people and this and that

1109
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 4: and not took that baton, stayed in my lane, ran

1110
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 4: as hard as I could, and now try to pass

1111
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 4: it to my kids. So I just chose to run

1112
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 4: my race and then let that be an example to

1113
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 4: hopefully inspire.

1114
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I like that. Another pivot.

1115
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 1: Give me you don't have to go into why too deep,

1116
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 1: but you can give me the five best running backs

1117
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: you played against during your career. I mean, you could

1118
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: give a little bit of why, but you know we're

1119
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: gonna know the names. But you could even do the

1120
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: deep cuts. Yeah, you could just when I say, the

1121
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: five best running backs in no particular order.

1122
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 2: For all no order. I know number order number one

1123
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 2: is Barry Sanders.

1124
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: Why was it everything that we is it everything that

1125
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: we see.

1126
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: In the videos?

1127
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 2: It's worse, It's better. It's everything.

1128
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 4: I literally tackle Barry Sanders on one play, a solo tackle,

1129
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 4: no assists. It was a play were playing Detroit and Buffalo.

1130
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 4: He ran up toward the line, then he cut, and

1131
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 4: when he cut, he cut right into my area.

1132
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,720
Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, and I'm so scared.

1133
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 4: I'm Frankenstein in this tackle, like just arms out, please

1134
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 4: don't shake me, and I tackle him.

1135
00:53:57,840 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: That's not the point.

1136
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: The point of that is I the photographer sent me

1137
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 4: the image right after the game. We made a poster

1138
00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: of it and put it into my grandma's house. That's

1139
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:10,360
Speaker 4: how special this socker was. And on that same play

1140
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 4: he slightly sprained my ankle. And I'm not lying, just

1141
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 4: doing that. His hips were silly, silly, best running back

1142
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: by far ever that I played against. I would throw

1143
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 4: Fred Taylor in there. He didn't stay healthy long enough

1144
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 4: and sometimes the market hurt him. But Fred Taylor was silly.

1145
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: Adrian Peterson was silly.

1146
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 2: God Terrell Davis like who and Clinton portis like because

1147
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 2: Terrell Davis, especially Clinton damn Edrian James coming and look

1148
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: at see this, and people forget Marshall Falk see that

1149
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: I ain't got a top five.

1150
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 4: These are all top tier guys, but there's one by

1151
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 4: himself and this Berry. Rest of these guys are by

1152
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 4: themselves on the second tier behind Barry Clinton. Portis would

1153
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 4: lean forward every play. Our coach esed to say, look

1154
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 4: at this shit. Every time he gets three yards, even

1155
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 4: if he's behind the he just he kept that lean.

1156
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 4: Terrell Davis had to lean with the knocker he hit

1157
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 4: you in the head. Terrell Davis was coming. They all

1158
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 4: were great, man, But I think that Barry just takes

1159
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 4: the cake.

1160
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 1: Five best quarterbacks that you played against? Oh and who's

1161
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,280
Speaker 1: the number one? And why?

1162
00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 3: Why?

1163
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 2: And don't give me the obvious always arm Nope.

1164
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 4: Man, come on man, this is me, uh, Dan Marino,

1165
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: Steve Young, John Elway. I played again. My first sact

1166
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 4: ever was against Steve Young. Couldn't believe it, Dan Marino,

1167
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:34,799
Speaker 4: Steve Young, John Elway, walk me, y'all. I'm gonna throw

1168
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 4: you the wild car last Okay? Who else was silly?

1169
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 4: Silly man? Peyton Manning. You gotta throw Brady in there

1170
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 4: because it's disrespectful. But Brady wasn't great when I played

1171
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 4: against Brady like he won those first three Super Bowls.

1172
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 4: His coaches used to take bets on Brady missing receivers

1173
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 4: in practice. Like literally they were like like he came

1174
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: a long way and he became the goat. He's the

1175
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 4: goat now, but I was young. His first touchdown pass

1176
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 4: ever was against us, against me in San Diego. I'm

1177
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: turning in the corner about three feet two feet coming

1178
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 4: in on him, throws it his first touchdown ever.

1179
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: Don't you wish you got that football? Oh?

1180
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 4: I would have if I would have known that was

1181
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 4: the goat throwing that, Like, yes, sir, well you could

1182
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 4: throw Brady in there, because he turned into being that

1183
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 4: guy and I did play with him. But here's a

1184
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 4: wild card. People forget young Dante Colepepper was McNab McNab

1185
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 4: of course, McNab period Colpepper man him and Masson. They

1186
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: had Chris Carter two.

1187
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: It was a lot. It was a lot to deal with.

1188
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 2: But I would get mcnabbed that now as well.

1189
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: Who is the fastest quarterback other than vic Vic by far?

1190
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 3: Was he like?

1191
00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 2: Was he like a running back speed or faster?

1192
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 3: Like?

1193
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: Was he like who's faster? And in general, receivers or running.

1194
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 4: Backs receivers, I would say receivers that running backs got

1195
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:51,439
Speaker 4: a little more girth.

1196
00:56:51,600 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: They're usually a little bigger. So the receiver one, you.

1197
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 4: Know, Chad Johnson, you can't do nothing with that, Like

1198
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 4: you know, that's a four to three for real running backs,

1199
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 4: just a little bigger pound the ground a little more, so,

1200
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 4: I would say receivers.

1201
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 2: So, but Mike Vick was the fastest. Oh, not only

1202
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 2: the fastest, not only his acceleration. So a lot of

1203
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 2: times we get lost in speed, and speed is only

1204
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 2: how fast you can run under control. So if you're

1205
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: out of control, you're in trouble.

1206
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 4: This was why I'm teaching my son right now, who

1207
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 4: is silly in football, silly in sports. But you know

1208
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 4: it got a long way in front of him. I

1209
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 4: don't talk in those turns, but I'm like, no, he

1210
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 4: was more talent than I ever was. Wow, he's silly,

1211
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 4: but I'm teaching him the science of life and the

1212
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: science of sports. So he had this problem, and every

1213
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 4: kid has this problem. They're fast, so all they want

1214
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 4: to do is run sideways and run to the corner

1215
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: and run to the edges and take off and touchdowns.

1216
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: But kids get smart. They know that you fast, so

1217
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: they cut you off.

1218
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: Got the angles, geometry and I told him, when you

1219
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 4: see the fast guys, first of all, know who they are.

1220
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 2: And then when you see them, run at them, why

1221
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: are you running at them?

1222
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 4: You're gonna stop their feet for just that second, and

1223
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,000
Speaker 4: then you make your move when you got him. Every

1224
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 4: time they would never come to the corner and catch

1225
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 4: you again. And literally I was slow motioning his plays

1226
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 4: from practicing the game to show him.

1227
00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 2: I was like, this is what happened. That's why he

1228
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: got you. He's like, damn, that's why he got my flag. Yep, yep, yep.

1229
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: Hedn't say damn, No I did. And I was like, yep, yep,

1230
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: he got you.

1231
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 4: And then the next game, my son saw the fast

1232
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 4: kid went like this, Adam, and then went like this.

1233
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 2: That kid fell down. I said, I told you science

1234
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 2: of game, science of life.

1235
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 4: Michael Vick had that he had the comfort of being

1236
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 4: so talented that while you doing this, he like doom doom.

1237
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: Doom doom, and he's still running the four three four

1238
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 2: to two.

1239
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 4: So it's a whole different animal, that acceleration and that

1240
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,480
Speaker 4: calm under those pressure moments.

1241
00:58:44,200 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: Podcast Pivoting to your clippers. Pivoting to your Los Angeles Clippers.

1242
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: Here come the joke.

1243
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: Who even ty Lou I saw him say somewhere the

1244
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: other day on some podcasts that my guys mainly PG

1245
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 1: and Kawhi as if they haven't played in the NBA

1246
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: fe years, need to start taking the regular season more seriously.

1247
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:25,200
Speaker 1: He said that, yeah, because you know, you could say

1248
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: what you want, but at the end of the season,

1249
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: you gotta we're gonna get this plane. We're not going

1250
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 1: to a home court. What do you foresee with your

1251
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: your clippers because you and Clipper Darrel are just is.

1252
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 2: Clipper Daryl and I and Penny Marshall.

1253
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 4: I guess right, let me say this, People don't know

1254
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: that these NBA players are really in a different conversation

1255
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 4: and negotiation than advertise. Literally, their camps will go to

1256
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 4: the organization knowing that there's eighty two games and will

1257
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 4: walk in be like we got seventy this year, which

1258
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:00,480
Speaker 4: which twelve we missing?

1259
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 2: Like it's a negotiation of the twelve we're missing.

1260
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 3: Are you serious? I mean, is that just bull crapping.

1261
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why.

1262
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: You and most people probably won't know this because there's

1263
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 4: no way they want that advertise to the general public

1264
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 4: right that these players are not coming to your city

1265
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 4: and playing or not gonna be at that home game

1266
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 4: that you got season tickets for. But if you look

1267
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 4: at what low management is, and even Adam Silver is like, yeah,

1268
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 4: we gotta take a different look at low management. You

1269
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 4: know why, because the players are tapping. They have to

1270
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 4: tap if they're going to respect and protect the longevity

1271
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 4: of their careers just the way.

1272
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: It is r Except for Lebron James, Well, I could criticize.

1273
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he obviously he's a freak. Yeah, he's he's luck,

1274
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 3: a lucky freak.

1275
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 4: Yeah all that, and he's a specimen and he takes

1276
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 4: care of his body probably better than anyone ever.

1277
01:00:46,800 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 2: And on top of that, he's been breaking down a

1278
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: little bit of late.

1279
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 4: But now seventy nine years old exactly, So he's old now, right,

1280
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 4: So even Lebron will have to live in this new

1281
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 4: reality like sooner or later it gets all of your

1282
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 4: So why the question is to these players, they're like,

1283
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 4: why wait for me to break down when I know

1284
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 4: this can preserve me and I won't break down till later.

1285
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 2: I get it. That's one. So here's the thing.

1286
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 4: My Clippers is funny because you know Kawhi's knee is

1287
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 4: not right. He missed almost a year and a half

1288
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 4: and came back and still couldn't finish the playoff runt.

1289
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 4: And you know that Kawhi went on and healthy. It's

1290
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 4: top five and he ain't five anymore?

1291
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 3: Is that?

1292
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 2: Is that person alive? Is that person? Is that person? There?

1293
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 4: You go, Kawhi, You at the top of the stairs, Kawhi,

1294
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 4: he's down Hello, Hello, he's down there still.

1295
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: Paul George is as amazing as he is, is not

1296
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,920
Speaker 2: Kawhi when Kauwhai is on. But Paul George is more

1297
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: reliable than Kawhi. But even Paul geisically yeah yeah, like

1298
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 2: being available right, being out there right. So it's like

1299
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 2: a weird dynamic where we got now Russell Westbrook, future

1300
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

1301
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do with him? At this point?

1302
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: You know what they're gonna do. This is what they're

1303
01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: gonna do.

1304
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 4: You ever you ever have like a remote control something

1305
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 4: you ain't got all good batteries and you start spinning them,

1306
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 4: start putting them in the treezer like all right, this

1307
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 4: is our This to me, this is how we're gonna

1308
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 4: tetris this. We're gonna use Westbrook up because he got

1309
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 4: that energy and that boy still go home.

1310
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: Yes, that's my dog.

1311
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:12,360
Speaker 3: Love it.

1312
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 2: I love it.

1313
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 4: That's my hommy. I respect him. Now, then let's plug

1314
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 4: in some Paul George.

1315
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: So we're gonna spend the batteries, right, like, get Paul George,

1316
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 2: keep going, don't get hurt, stay there all Westbrook and

1317
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: Paul George. That's gonna win you.

1318
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 4: Forty fifty plus games were good and then Kawhi, we

1319
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 4: gotta send up our prayers, right, we gotta knock door

1320
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,120
Speaker 4: to door, we gotta be Jeovah witnesses.

1321
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 2: We gotta pray for this.

1322
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 4: But come on, Kawhi, finish the playoffs and if he

1323
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 4: can do that, those are our three tiers to success.

1324
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 4: Problem is, the chances of all that happening exactly that

1325
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 4: way slim to none.

1326
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: So we're gonna have to remix what the formula is.

1327
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 2: Who will win the Super Bowl this year?

1328
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: I know what, Gerly, we're not even into fantasy football drafting,

1329
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: but who will be the two teams in the Super

1330
01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: Bowl this year? Based on everything we know today? Everybody's

1331
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: healthy today, Jesus, come on, man.

1332
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 4: I know I think it's like Buffalo's in my head

1333
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:12,120
Speaker 4: Baltimore's in my head. You always say case, but that's boring.

1334
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna say. I'm trying to say who's gonna

1335
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 4: upset the apple cart? Buffalo or Baltimore? So I will

1336
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 4: go with God. I want to go some tells me

1337
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 4: is Baltimore, Baltimore NFC? I would love Baltimore. Dallas, good lord,

1338
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 4: I would have heart attacked.

1339
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: That would be a hard getting yeah, yeah, hold on,

1340
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: let me get hold on. So let me all right,

1341
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 2: let me give a case for you guy.

1342
01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:35,560
Speaker 3: Dak is not good.

1343
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 2: No, Dak is good enough. Dak is good enough. Tony,

1344
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:40,919
Speaker 2: you know what they did speaking of you talking about

1345
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 2: the complimentary running game, why did they have zek I

1346
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: know what he did because of contract Ezekiel Elliott getting

1347
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: all those touches When those were Tony Pollard's, they would

1348
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 2: have been much better.

1349
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 4: Tell me why, I mean, why don't you do that?

1350
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 4: Because you got R R O I return on investment,

1351
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 4: justify the money. But now they realize, hey, cut our losses,

1352
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: cut bait. I don't think Dallas coming out the NFC,

1353
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 4: but that would be amazing story. NFC would be I

1354
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 4: ain't main mean boom boom, who's in the NFC.

1355
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 2: Who's favorite? I mean San Francisco. Oh, party, party, whole year, party,

1356
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:15,600
Speaker 2: the whole year.

1357
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 4: That's interesting. I'd love to see my Chargers do it.

1358
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 4: Chargers got squad. It's gonna be silly to watch the

1359
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:22,200
Speaker 4: Chargers ball this year.

1360
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 2: This. This is why I didn't do NFL Live long,

1361
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 2: because I was sitting up there, like what I.

1362
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:30,800
Speaker 1: Mean, it's early, It is early, all right, Marcellus Wiley,

1363
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: my dog.

1364
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: I love talking to you. I could keep going.

1365
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 2: Last question, my last question, let me last question.

1366
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do seven because I hate the obligatory. Your

1367
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 1: top five mcas of all time. I'm giving you seven

1368
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: because it's five is so obligatory. Your favorite mcas of

1369
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: all time? And I know it's interchange.

1370
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 4: You said favorite, fast, great, your favorite? Oh yes, let's

1371
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 4: go Big Daddy, kinge Rock, Kim ice Cube, especially Jerry

1372
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 4: Curle Andre three thousand, I'm at four. Uh favorite mcs

1373
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 4: ever Jada Kiss five Uh two more two more favorite

1374
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 4: Cougie Rap six favorite like God, they just always got

1375
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,560
Speaker 4: me Godly. This is tough because favorite is a whole

1376
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 4: different animal. One more damn you, I mean llll Wayne

1377
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 4: duh lill Wayne d Hilloy Ways should have been like

1378
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 4: number one, almost no no order.

1379
01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 2: Because it's like it's too obligatory.

1380
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: Let me hear seven. I go Big Daddy Kane.

1381
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:38,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna always I'm gonna start with my traditional Big

1382
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,760
Speaker 1: Daddy Kane, kress One rock Him, I'm gonna go with

1383
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 1: Jickaman jay Z, Nasty Knives, I'm gonna go with ghost

1384
01:05:48,080 --> 01:05:50,960
Speaker 1: Face Killer, and I am.

1385
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 2: Going to go with Yeah it gets sticky.

1386
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: I mean I could go all over the game, all

1387
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: over the place. Bust the rhymes always left off. Everybody's

1388
01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: left bust A Rinds is silly, insane, Yo, love He's ridiculous.

1389
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:12,000
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, he's very When you see him.

1390
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:16,479
Speaker 1: Live, you're like, Yo, this dude has bangers. His live

1391
01:06:16,600 --> 01:06:17,960
Speaker 1: show you all about.

1392
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 2: Bowl last year sick crazy.

1393
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 4: I saw that was a sitconsert nobs Wu Tang and

1394
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 4: then I think buses showed up.

1395
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:25,920
Speaker 2: Mind blowing yo.

1396
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 4: Hearing Wu Tang their first album, thirty six Chambers with

1397
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 4: like the real quality, the way that Risoning them couldn't afford.

1398
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,560
Speaker 4: Then like I love the dusty dark version, like the

1399
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 4: way when we bought back in ninety three or whatever.

1400
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 4: But when you hear it Crispy and them Shy shall

1401
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 4: new Tang. So I'm like, yo, people were losing the

1402
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 4: name mindstt that damn bow. I love it all right. I

1403
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 4: gotta add to shortened E forty, No, lie E forty.

1404
01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 4: This is my line for E forty. He maybe the

1405
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 4: best rapper from start to finish, is like the way

1406
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 4: he started day one, all right, right now he's still

1407
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 4: as great as he ever was. And I love E

1408
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 4: forty all the way back, all the way back to

1409
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 4: right now. I still bang E forty everyone else name them.

1410
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 4: They went through their waves, you name it went through waves.

1411
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, I was just talking earlier

1412
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: about NAS's last five albums. Five. Yes, I mean I

1413
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,160
Speaker 1: don't love them as much as but I was like

1414
01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: I was five of them.

1415
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 2: He did five albums in the last few years.

1416
01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,240
Speaker 4: Five because wraps a young man game, because of the

1417
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 4: experiences like you're just not sounding the same, You're not

1418
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,880
Speaker 4: saying it the same, You're not got that same like

1419
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 4: itch and hunger, you know.

1420
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,800
Speaker 1: And it's rich like from all I mean, he's not

1421
01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:45,440
Speaker 1: a struggle. I was making that money that VC five records. Yeah,

1422
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 1: he's a blessing to have that killing he loves it

1423
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: enough to do it. Yeah, and those records, you know,

1424
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: they're not for me the exact same.

1425
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:55,120
Speaker 2: The sound is different.

1426
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:00,000
Speaker 1: But but he's he's he's still he's stupid.

1427
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,439
Speaker 4: Well he eating all the formula. Grab you a young

1428
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 4: producer who we got metro Boom and hit Boy get

1429
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,439
Speaker 4: five albums with hit Boy. Well that's what a lot

1430
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 4: of music. Well, come on, what is rap?

1431
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 3: Like?

1432
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 4: I hate when we get real complicated with rap. Rap

1433
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 4: is first to beat. You could say, all these people

1434
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 4: could be purist and be like, oh no, what do

1435
01:08:18,280 --> 01:08:20,080
Speaker 4: you saying. I'm like, no, you gravitate to the beat

1436
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 4: because the beat.

1437
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: Is the energy, right, you gotta like in the classroom knocking,

1438
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 2: and then you can say your ABC's. I could said

1439
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: my ABC's on grinding beat, and I would have went

1440
01:08:31,439 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: platinum off easy like easy. So it's just like once

1441
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: you hear beats.

1442
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,840
Speaker 4: So Na's lost and suffered so often like j Cole

1443
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 4: does at times because they don't grab the beats that

1444
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 4: we want to hear.

1445
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 2: But then when they do, it's like magic because they

1446
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 2: are such lyricists.

1447
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 4: So to me, Nazis was like, all right, let me

1448
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: not fight the formula. Let me go get hit Boy

1449
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 4: and let's get this thing going. Yeah, it's sick, Yeah silly.

1450
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: Marcella Swiley, Iron Rap Port Stereo Podcast. You know where

1451
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 1: to find them podcasting.

1452
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:06,839
Speaker 4: YouTube and transudation, Project Transition Show Love Man.

1453
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: And there's more to come, I think he said without

1454
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: saying that there's more to come. Possibly he didn't say it,

1455
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: but it's read between lines with him and Matt

1456
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: Champion get and our rocket didn't knock yoll those guys out,

1457
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: but