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Speaker 2: All right, welcome in it's our usual Sunday hour. John Middlecoff,

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Speaker 2: former NFL scout who just got back from the Combine

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Speaker 2: like Thursday night, after spending four or five days there.

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Speaker 2: For the volume, we certainly appreciated that I should mention

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Speaker 2: right off the top. Chris Mortenson passed away today. He'd

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Speaker 2: been battling cancer for some time. He was seventy two

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Speaker 2: years old. Mort was one of the more respected you know,

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Speaker 2: he was as kind as he was wise, one of

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Speaker 2: those kind of guys that I think transcended eras Paul

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Speaker 2: Zimmerman Sports Illustrated the first like NFL guy I remember,

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Speaker 2: like what you would call like your beat columnist, Peter King.

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Speaker 2: Chris Mortenson. He came from the Atlanta Journal Constitution where

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Speaker 2: he was breaking stories down there. Just a really nice guy.

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Speaker 2: How was he viewed in the league, John, I mean,

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Speaker 2: these guys now it's basically about breaking story. Schefter took

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Speaker 2: kind of Mortenson's role, and it's like minute to minute

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Speaker 2: breaking stories. Chris grew up in a generation without the iPhone.

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Speaker 2: It was more about contextualizing stories and breaking stories. How

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think people loved him. I mean I saw

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, who obviously was very close with him in

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Speaker 1: the Manning family in general. You know, when I think

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Speaker 1: like a John Madden played an integral role, integral role

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Speaker 1: and all of us that love football. I mean the

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Speaker 1: access that they had, it's so I mean you can

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Speaker 1: he was a trailblazer that way for sure. Uh and

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Speaker 1: just an awful day obviously had been sick for a while, sucks.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's I think he's one of the key

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, you know, he was one of the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's interesting in this league. There's there's

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Speaker 1: so he's relatively cheap. But the moment you signed that,

429
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Speaker 1: Russell's not competing for a job, right, He's better than

430
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Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett. If that truly happens, and they're not interested

431
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Speaker 1: in these other guys and don't are actively drafting a quarterback,

432
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Speaker 1: that's insane. One thing I've heard in the league is

433
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Speaker 1: for a long period of time with Kevin Colbert, who

434
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Speaker 1: was one of the best general managers in the league,

435
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Speaker 1: and Mike Tomlin, who's a really solid coach. I mean,

436
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: has some flaws, but Mike Tomlin's better than most. I

437
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: do think this transition and their new front office, I

438
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Speaker 1: don't think they're quite viewed like the same powerhouse, like

439
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: the Ravens transition from Azzie, who works more than any

440
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Speaker 1: retired human you'll ever see. I thought I retired three

441
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: years ago. You see him at the Comboy sitting right there.

442
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 1: The Ravens didn't skip a beat, right, da Costa right there.

443
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 1: I think the Steelers they got a lot going on,

444
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: right when it comes to the transition in front off,

445
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Speaker 1: which is natural. Most teams don't just go smooth GM

446
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Speaker 1: to GM or coach to coach, and I just think

447
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 1: they're an organization to kind of keep an eye on.

448
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: Did I wonder if it's quite as how long can

449
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Speaker 1: you keep this up? Let's face it, fifty years they've

450
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Speaker 1: been pretty consistent, like it's bound to maybe they'll go

451
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: through a little downturn right now, but a lot of

452
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Speaker 1: people in the NFL kind of have them a little

453
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Speaker 1: red flagged operationally. I would say, not necessarily Tomblin, just

454
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Speaker 1: the new GM, just the new thoughts from the front office.

455
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: He's more of an analytical guy had come over originally.

456
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Speaker 1: I think from the contract stuff. Kevin Colbert more of

457
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Speaker 1: an old school Rooney type scout. It's just something to

458
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Speaker 1: peak at as we move on toward football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's been you know, Tomlin has his defenders,

460
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Speaker 2: and I like you, I think he in terms of

461
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,800
Speaker 2: you know, developing players, especially defensive players, they get better.

462
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Speaker 2: He's a good motivator. There's some Pete Carroll there where

463
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Speaker 2: he does a good job. You know, he's very good

464
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Speaker 2: with young players giving him confidence, getting him into a system,

465
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Speaker 2: and getting ramping young players up very quickly to play

466
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Speaker 2: in this league and I don't think Pete was ever

467
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Speaker 2: good with old lines. I don't think Tomlin is. I

468
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Speaker 2: don't think McDermott necessarily is where I think Andy Reid

469
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Speaker 2: and Shanahan and McVeigh, you know, they're rebuilding those old lines.

470
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 2: Last year, what McVeigh did with the old line of

471
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: the Rams insane. He had tackles playing guards, guards, plan tackle.

472
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Speaker 2: It was incredible. But I look at Tomlin and I think,

473
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Speaker 2: you know, the standard of Pittsburgh for most of my

474
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Speaker 2: life was like Super Bowls and AFC championships. Whenever I

475
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 2: hear this never had a losing season. It's so odd

476
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Speaker 2: to me. Can you imagine McVeigh bragging about that, Like,

477
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Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just like Pittsburgh's standard went down.

478
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 2: And again you can go look at Dave wanstat wanstat

479
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: when he was in Miami his four years there had

480
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Speaker 2: a better winning percentage, I believe than Tomlin, and he

481
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Speaker 2: got run. So I think it's one of those things

482
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Speaker 2: where the Rooneys are reticent to make big sweeping changes

483
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Speaker 2: and Mike secure. But I just, off the top of

484
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Speaker 2: my head when I think of Super Bowl teams, I

485
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: haven't thought of the Steelers in seven eight years. I

486
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 2: think of the Ravens immediately, I think of McVeigh and

487
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: Shanahan immediately, I think of Andy Reid immediately. There's four

488
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Speaker 2: Philadelphia as always in the mix. There's like five or

489
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Speaker 2: six teams in the league. Baltimore's won. I just think

490
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Speaker 2: quarterback or not. It's like that structurally sound the standard

491
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Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh Queer, I was anti pitt It's just like

492
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,479
Speaker 2: I consider them to be about like the twentieth best

493
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Speaker 2: football team. If Kenny Pickett starts twentieth best football team

494
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Speaker 2: in the league, well.

495
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Speaker 1: Then factor in their division. Right. The Ravens have proven

496
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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson as long as he's playing, even when

497
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: he missed a couple of years ago in Huntley. But

498
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good with Lamar Jackson, right, They're not

499
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Speaker 1: going away. The Bengals, who I had a pro scout.

500
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Speaker 1: I remember Greg Papa told me this is the super Bowl.

501
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 1: He's been calling games for twenty five years, the best

502
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Speaker 1: game he's ever seen live. Joe Burrow this year against

503
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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers, pro scout told me it was

504
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: the best game he saw on tape. Now, injuries are

505
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: a question with Joe Burrow. What is not a question.

506
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: If he's on the field, he's a dominant, elite player.

507
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,679
Speaker 1: And the Bengals haven't lost. They didn't lose their defensive coordinator,

508
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: so they had the same play caller, the head coach,

509
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Speaker 1: they have the quarterback, they have this infrastructure of an offense,

510
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Speaker 1: they have an excellent defensive coordinator. If Joe Burrow plays

511
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Speaker 1: a full season, which it's fair to question that right

512
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: now because he's been injured, they're a playoff team. So

513
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Speaker 1: we're Pittsburgh benefited this year because Burrow. How many games

514
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: did he play right? He was by middle of the

515
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: season he tore his armyes out and they were still

516
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of competitive. But if he plays like Pittsburgh's definitely

517
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: looking up at those two and the Browns. I talked

518
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: to Stefanski for a little. Stefanski is an impressive guy. Yeah,

519
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: he's clearly a good play caller. Now they you know,

520
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 1: Watson's cap hit this year goes from like nineteen to

521
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 1: sixty these next three years, so they're gonna lose a

522
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Speaker 1: lot of the depth. So they're I'm not feeling as strong,

523
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: They're just gonna be as good. But I know the

524
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: Ravens are good and I know the Bengals dominate when

525
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: they got Joe Burrow. So you just look at the Steelers.

526
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 1: They're very dependent on some of these MIKEU. Fitzpatricks and TJ.

527
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 1: Watt having thirty sacks or else you're gonna win Eventually.

528
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: This is you're not gonna have one of those nine

529
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Speaker 1: to eight seasons where you can pind your chest and

530
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna win five games. Yeah.

531
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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna look up here very quickly the free

532
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: agent period in the NFL. So what day does it

533
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 2: start here?

534
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, the negotiations the eleven, Then he kicks off the.

535
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Speaker 2: Thirteenth, so we're about ten days from it. Do you think?

536
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Speaker 2: What do you think? So, if you had to hedge

537
00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: your bet here, give me your three biggest free agent signings.

538
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Speaker 1: Well, I think I do think Kirk Cousin's gonna end

539
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: up in Atlanta because I think they're gonna throw a

540
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: lot of money at him. I mean, their owner, another

541
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 1: guy over eighty ton of money. There's gonna be some

542
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: urgency on them to win financially. This will be one

543
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: of the lowest, but I do think it's by far

544
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: the biggest headlines. I do think Russell Wilson and Pittsburgh

545
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: makes some sense because Russell's been humbled a lot, right,

546
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: And I also think, what's he going to do go

547
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: in there with TJ. Watt and MIKEA. Fitzpatrick and Cam

548
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: Hayward and act kind of weird like it's not and

549
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: Mike tomlin So and even Sean Payton kind of forced

550
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: it like hey, you just either got to ship in

551
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: or ship out.

552
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: Now.

553
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: Ultimately he was always gonna ship him out. But I

554
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: think that's a place that is just I think it

555
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: makes some sense because, like you said, the standard, you

556
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,239
Speaker 1: can't roll back Canny Pickett. There's pressure on you win

557
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: the AFC. I mean you got Harbaugh. Now, the charges

558
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: are gonna be good. Yeah, the Chiefs are a dynasty.

559
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: Even Miami it's got some question marks, Like their coach

560
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: is pretty good, they can score on offense, They're gonna

561
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: be competitive the Bills, like it's the AFC is really

562
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: really hard. And then I think it'll be one of

563
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: the defensive linemen. You know, one thing talking to It's

564
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: always funny when you talk to pro scouts because I

565
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: always assume, like, Eh, how's this organization. They're pretty impressive.

566
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: We're like Yeah, I'm hearing some things. You know, you

567
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: get that sometimes, right. We know that the Rams, the Niners,

568
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, the Ravens, but then there are all these

569
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: like the Dolphins, and one thing I heard is they

570
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: got a lot of financial cap issues. Right. The Fangio

571
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: thing was a disaster. A lot of theories at the combine,

572
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: which makes sense. Hard and you and I have talked

573
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: about this hard place to build a culture in Miami.

574
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: When you have all these young guys in their twenties,

575
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: beautiful women everywhere social media, it's easy to find stuff

576
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: going on. Vic Fangio had had enough, no one would

577
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: listen on there. Like his track record kind of speaks

578
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: for herself. He knows what he's doing. So Christian Wilkins,

579
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: who's one of the better defensive tackles in the NFL.

580
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: They're probably not gonna franchise them because I can't afford them, right,

581
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: because of their cap situation. Very good, they're elite and

582
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: those type guys don't often. It's a second contract hit

583
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: the open market. Same thing with the defensive tackle ninety

584
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: two for the Ravens. I screw up his name. I'd

585
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: have got coach with the Ravens like he's like John Randall.

586
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: So when if those type players hit the market, I

587
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: mean you're talking seventy eighty million dollars guaranteed and then

588
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 1: you know the NFL contractor you got to decipher him,

589
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: but probably one hundred and forty million dollar contract. So

590
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: anytime defensive lineman hit offensive linemen usually don't you know

591
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: the Cowboys Tyron Smith, Well, he's what thirty five years old,

592
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: he's been injured a million times. He's got the Chiefs

593
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: or someone will sign him to a one year deal,

594
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: but his name is bigger than is what you can

595
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: But the young defensive linemen who are four or five

596
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 1: years in they are going to get an astronomical amount

597
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: of money if they true If Chris Joe just say,

598
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean what Kansas City is gonna have to pay them?

599
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: Like Lugerious Snead who is a big time corner. But

600
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: what are the Chiefs proof, Well, we just drafted Trent McDuffie.

601
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: Heach has proven he can draft dbs. So what will

602
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: they do? I would imagine they're going to try to

603
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: trade him to a team like the Lions desperate for

604
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: a dB. Hey, this guy could be your star dB

605
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: he's been a star for us. He's one you know

606
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: his character, you know he's smart. You give us your

607
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 1: late first round pick. Here's this guy, you give him

608
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: sixty seventy million dollars guaranteed. Like that. Those are the

609
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: type and that's what happens at the combine all those

610
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: type discussions. But look at the Chiefs. They're in position.

611
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: Then keep a guy, they can trade a guy. And

612
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: then you got a team like the Dolphins, one of

613
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: their best players that they can't even franchise because financially

614
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: doesn't even make sense on their books. So a lot

615
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: of different organizations, who are you know, struggling? One thing

616
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I noticed, just because I know so many people with

617
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, it turns out I know a bunch a

618
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: lot of people with the Ravens. The top seven eight

619
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: organizations are really just kind of competing with themselves.

620
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 2: I know, yep, I.

621
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Speaker 1: Mean ten organizations. You kind of walk around, you see

622
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: people wearing the logo, You're like, you got no shot,

623
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 1: you got no shot. And then a couple teams if

624
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: they hit, like the Texans are clearly on the common

625
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: moving forward, But a lot of teams they're just getting

626
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: that four hundred million dollar check from the league. They're

627
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: making some money, but they have no shot John in

628
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: this league.

629
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Speaker 2: One of the things I talked about last week on

630
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Speaker 2: the show. I think it was last week or the

631
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 2: week before. I was on vacation. I said, yeah, I

632
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 2: came back and I talked about this. My takeaway when

633
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: they said every team got an additional thirty an additional

634
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: thirty million dollars in cap space because of the TV contracts.

635
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: So that was a pleasant surprise to these cap strained

636
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: NFL teams. And my takeaway is you're going to see

637
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: the same six to seven teams at the top because

638
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: now Kansas City gets to they could franchise Tag Sneed

639
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: or move him, and they got to keep Chris Jones,

640
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: and so San Francisco a lot of discussion about what

641
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Speaker 2: to do with Kittle, what do we do with both linebackers,

642
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 2: But now you can keep them, and so I looked

643
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 2: at that as the league becomes this surprisingly nimble revenue machine,

644
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 2: all it does is make the NFL a bit more

645
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: like college football, where you kind of know the top

646
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 2: six to eight programs annually. So I mean, the one

647
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 2: team I think is very interesting as a breakthrough team

648
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 2: is Washington because of all their cap space. I like

649
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 2: their I don't know if I love Dan Quinn. I

650
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 2: like the Kingsbury, Dan Combo. I think you have a

651
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: very smart guy in the front office now the GM.

652
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 2: I like the cap space. I like their weapons. It's

653
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Speaker 2: just I increasingly think Jayden Daniels is going to get

654
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: picked over Drake May And I'm going to pivot to

655
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: that in a second. But there's very few If I

656
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 2: said to you, give me Houston this year, because if

657
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: you really look at what happened, takes Cincinnati because they

658
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: would have been good with Burrow. They always are. The

659
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 2: only surprise in the late Green I mean, Detroit wasn't

660
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: a surprise them to win the division? You did, everybody did.

661
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: We knew they were good and loaded. The only surprise

662
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 2: was Houston. If I said give me the Houston, the

663
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 2: only one I can look at is Washington, and the

664
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Speaker 2: cap space is a big part of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it would be more like you would

666
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: pick Green Bay is gonna win the Super Bowl. It'd

667
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: be one of those teams that was a first or

668
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: second or the Rams Super Bowl. It'd be that team

669
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Speaker 1: that's already kind of that was one and done this

670
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: year takes a big step and it's a thirteen to

671
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: fourteen win team competing to be the number one seed.

672
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: That's back to what I said about the group like,

673
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: it's the Lions are really well run. Now I met

674
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: a guy who's out to lunch with one of my

675
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: buddies from the Eagles the Packers, one of their number

676
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: two guys comes over. You're just like, God, this guy's impressive.

677
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: No wonder, they're well run. And you just see some

678
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: of these other people. You hear some stories are pointing

679
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: at these guys. You just this league. Like most industries,

680
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: the best people usually work for the best teams. And

681
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: when the shitty teams hire good people. Look at what

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: the Lions did. That GM they hired from the Rams

683
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 1: is clearly really good. Yes. And dan Quinn is he

684
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: ever gonna be? Really the mold he's in in the

685
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: umbrella he's under. He's not a Shannon Handerma because he's

686
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: not a true play caller. He's much more like a

687
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: hardball brother. He's more of a leader, and you gotta

688
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: give him credit. He's a good coach. Hire Look he

689
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: hired and this is where you get credit. Ben Johnson,

690
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: I'd never heard of Ben Johnson three years ago, and

691
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,360
Speaker 1: you get a lot of credit for doing that. Like

692
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 1: one thing that was clear with the Eagles. I've been

693
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 1: around him and known these people fifteen year. They are

694
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: a well run organization. They had a bad year hiring

695
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: two assistant coaches. The two coordinators were whiffs. Well what

696
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: they do. They went out and got Vic Fangio and

697
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: they're paying Kellen More a ton of money, so they

698
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: have no problem pivoting really fast. They don't go, well,

699
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: let's just try to make this work. They're like, no,

700
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: you're gone. You're gone. And they're a little more cutthroat

701
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: than some but it's why they're able to turn things

702
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: over and figure it out quicker where some people hold

703
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: on for dear life and the dan Quinn thing. Like

704
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,320
Speaker 1: I've known Adam Peters forever. I think Adam Peters is

705
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: a superstar. Like I mean, I think he's a GM Yeah,

706
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: Bob Myers, you know John Lynch, he's in that mold

707
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: of just kind of has it right his personality. He

708
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: played at UCLA. He's worked for Belichick, John Elway, and

709
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: John Lynch. Yeah, those are three guys. He's got rings

710
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: multiple different teams, and was a big part of two

711
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowl teams with the forty nine ers. I think

712
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: what Washington's looking for is this isn't apples d apples.

713
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: But when Mark Jackson took over the Warriors, the Warriors

714
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: had been shitty for a couple decades. He just got

715
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: the train on the tracks. I think they just looking

716
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: for dan Quinn, just get us competitive, Like we'd love

717
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: for you to be one of the best coach in

718
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: the league. But if you just get us in a

719
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: couple of years, we're just winning nine or ten games.

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Speaker 1: That's where I think the Giants are in a little trouble.

721
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: When you look at that division. The Cowboys a well run. Obviously,

722
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles have proven they're pretty consistent in their ability

723
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: to find talent. Washington's gonna be dramatically better than they've

724
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 1: been for twenty plus years. So the Giants have a

725
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: lot of question mark, starting with their quarterback, which is

726
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: an al latrosh awful contract, and the coach. Let's face it,

727
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: it was an impressive years first year. Turns out him

728
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: and the defensive coordinator couldn't stand each other. Two years

729
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: ago he walked out of the building. A lot of

730
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: coaching turnover in that building, in the talent is just

731
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: not great.

732
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Speaker 2: Kind of wrapping up the combine, I want to talk

733
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: about this. You know, when when I was younger, you know,

734
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 2: some women you date and some you look at and think,

735
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: you know, this could be long term. You could marry

736
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: and that's okay. Women look at men just the same way.

737
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: Some you date, some you marry. And I've thought about

738
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: this for a long time as I watched the combine

739
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,359
Speaker 2: and listened to all the quarterback talk. If you told

740
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 2: me Michael Pennix gave me four years, I would draft

741
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 2: him if I was a team that was just sort

742
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: of stuck. If I was Sean Payton and somebody said,

743
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, he's available, It's funny. Whereas everybody else is

744
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: viewed as a long term solution this league. Now by

745
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving of year two, people in the building are making

746
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 2: decisions on quarterbacks. I mean, I think the Giants coaches

747
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 2: that they're not dan Neil Jones fans mara Is there's

748
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 2: some sort of weird connectivity to Eli Manning and Daniel Jones,

749
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: Southern kids, tall, dark hair, whatever. But I sort of

750
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: look at Michael Pennix and I'm like, not every quarterback

751
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 2: you draft has to be Brady. If you're in Washington's

752
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 2: in chaos.

753
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 1: Now.

754
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: They're not going to get him with that pick, obviously,

755
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: But if you start looking where Pennicks goes.

756
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: Isn't two of the best example with Miami, he's not great,

757
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 1: but he's just he just stabilized the franchise.

758
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: Like I see Pennis in terms of throwing the football.

759
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: You know, big strong kid, he's not going to run.

760
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: He's clearly a pocket guy. What are you hearing about him?

761
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: Because you know he came out, his hand size, his wingspan.

762
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: I watched him live. He throws up the sideline like

763
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: a twelve year pro. Like he is really aside. You

764
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: know a lot of these quarterbacks like bow next, I like,

765
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: doesn't throw a deep ball. Pennix was a great deep ball.

766
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 2: He's not gonna move it all. What are you hearing?

767
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: You know? I think Daniel Jeremiah said it yesterday when

768
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: he was throwing. He throws the most beautiful ball here

769
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 1: by far of the quarterbacks that were throwing. I mean

770
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: half of him didn't throw. I had friends, I remember

771
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,080
Speaker 1: watching him a lot. I remember the game you went

772
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: to and watching that game. Thing like this is a

773
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 1: top ten pick and start texting around. A lot of

774
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: people had him in the second and third rounds. Now,

775
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: when you're a scout, you're closer to it, right, you

776
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: have all the in depth medical information. He had basically

777
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: not completed four straight years, and a couple of those

778
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: were shoulders, So if you've been scouting for ten fifteen years,

779
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: that terrifies you. And then in the game against Oregon,

780
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 1: In both games against Oregon, and definitely the game against Michigan,

781
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: which are his best competition and NFL level players everywhere

782
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 1: on the other side of the ball, he had to

783
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: be picked up and kind of carried. So physically he's

784
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: not His arms are really long and his hands are huge,

785
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: but he's not a very I don't want to call

786
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: him slender. To me, jayde more slender, but Jaden's much.

787
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Jaden's an elite athlete, so he can get away. Mike

788
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: Pennix is not a lot like TUA. Their pocket quarterbacks.

789
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: They're not mobile guys. They can move a little bit,

790
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: but you're not running them at all. So I think

791
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: the the size and he did not play well in

792
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: that Michigan game, and that's an NFL team, and he

793
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: had an NFL team in terms of his wide receivers.

794
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: So I think you can find people like myself. Again,

795
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: I'm just a couch scout now that went like, I'm

796
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: with you. I've seen enough shitty quarterbacks in the NFL.

797
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 1: If you're Sean Payton just a couple of years figured

798
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: it out. Can this guy have you competing for the playoffs?

799
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: And I have a lot of people to go. I

800
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't touch him in the first round. So he is

801
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 1: easily one of the more most polarizing guys because ultimately

802
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: Jaden McDaniel or Jade Daniels and Drake May they're going

803
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: two and three in some order. Even Caleb he's not

804
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 1: polarizing at all. He's going number one. Bo Nicks polarizing

805
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 1: a little bit, but he's still gonna go pretty high. Yeah,

806
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: I think. And JJ McCarthy a guy someone people are

807
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: having a lot of discussion on, is gonna get drafted high.

808
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 1: I bet you go in some draft rooms and they'll

809
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 1: have this guy in the third round and other draft

810
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 1: rooms that have them, you know, competing to be a

811
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,240
Speaker 1: top twenty pick. I like him because accuracy always matters.

812
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: Deep ball in this NFL matters. If This was nineteen

813
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: ninety two and we had to play the Cowboys, the

814
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 1: forty nine Ers and the Packers, and Reggie White was tackling.

815
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, this guy's gonna get broken in half. The

816
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: quarterback doesn't get touched that much. I've seen Brock Ferdy.

817
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: It's not that big. Doesn't really get touched a lot

818
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: of small quarterbacks, right, It's just even some of Kyler

819
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: Murray didn't get injured in terms of tearing his acl tackled.

820
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: He tore it running. And Michael Penix is not a runner.

821
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: So the offensive line's gonna matter like it will with

822
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: any young quarterback. But I like Michael PENNOCKX. But I

823
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of NFL teams. I think a

824
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: lot of NFL teams lean second day draft pick.

825
00:41:54,320 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy Reid goes to the combine McVeigh Shannon and

826
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: not interested.

827
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 1: What is that? I think Andy Reid One defense I've

828
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: heard of the Shanahans and the mcveigh's and McCarthy is

829
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: this events become commercialized, right. They like prodding around their

830
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: coaches and almost profiting off them. And it pisses off

831
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: that crew of guys, which I push back and say,

832
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: the reason you guys make twelve fifteen million dollars is

833
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: the commercialization of the NFL, Like, welcome to the deal, guys.

834
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

835
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: They also would say, well, I still zoom into all

836
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: the interviews at night, so when we interview ten guys

837
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: at night, I'm sitting right there on the computer, and

838
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: any human being would say it is not the same

839
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: that being there. Andy Reid told me none of this matters. Right,

840
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: the workouts, the medical I have nothing to do with

841
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: as the head coach is out of my hands. The

842
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: only thing that I come here for is when that

843
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: guy walks into the room, Trent McDuffie, and for the

844
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: first time I meet him and get to talk to

845
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: him and just get a feel for been in the

846
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: league long enough, just like all those guys. I get

847
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: to introduce myself and talk to him and see how

848
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: he interacts with my coaches. We tape tape that too.

849
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: But the react you've interviewed people, what's your reaction interviewing

850
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 1: someone for your show when they're on zoom or when

851
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: you're sitting next to him in person, when you're interviewing

852
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,959
Speaker 1: someone for the volume in person at you know, meeting

853
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: him for lunch then a telephone call. It's dramatically different.

854
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: And these are million dollar investments. So I don't agree

855
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: with them not coming. Can I understand some of the stuff.

856
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: You're not obligated to talk to the media. You don't

857
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: have to go to that little thing that Andy goes to.

858
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: Belichick never did, never went. He still showed up for

859
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: all the other stuff, the football stuff, which is very important.

860
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: One thing with the forty nine ers, like they've hit

861
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: on a lot of picks in the third, fourth, and

862
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: fifth round. They've missed on a lot of high picks.

863
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: So you know, if Andy Reid's going to be there,

864
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 1: if Belichick went for forty years, Pete Carroll never missed it,

865
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: there's definitely some value there. And I'm not these guys

866
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: aren't lazy individuals, but I do think they're wrong. I mean,

867
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 1: who am I to tell them, But I just there's

868
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: a value there. Clearly the best coach in the league.

869
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: If you said, hey, there's a podcasting convention, Coward's going,

870
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: Rogan's going, and Big Cat's going, should I go? Probably right,

871
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing? You know I would

872
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: get if Kyle of just won the Super Bowl and

873
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: he was off with his family, like you lost. This

874
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: draft's kind of big McVeigh. You've been They got knocked

875
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: out in the first round, right, but they just can't stay.

876
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 1: I saw a less sneed somewhere. He didn't even go like,

877
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 1: it's not pinching pennies. This league's making so much money.

878
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 1: I can't get behind the interview meeting these guys because

879
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,879
Speaker 1: it is important. And then you talked to a lot

880
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: of it. Then what happens middle of the season. This

881
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: guy can't learn, this guy can't figure it out. It's

882
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: not this guy. Well, you had the opportunity to meet

883
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: the guy, right, you could have controlled some more of it.

884
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: So coaches are always QUI to complain when they don't

885
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: want to do some of this, and in fairness like

886
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: this is not the combines, more about the scouting staff.

887
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: But ultimately, once the guy's drafted, the coaches around him

888
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: a lot more in the GM and the scouts.

889
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's interesting. I'd less needs take was, you know,

890
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: we do things a little different around here. I don't

891
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: have any My guess was a lot of the young

892
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 2: coaches feel like it's an old boys network, you know,

893
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: like when McVay decided I'm not going to play any

894
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 2: starters in the preseason and got, you know, some pushback,

895
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: and then they went eight to no to start the season.

896
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,320
Speaker 2: And now the young guys, now Bruce Arians when he coached,

897
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 2: wanted to play starters. Belichick did, and he did, but

898
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 2: the young coaches it was like Robin Hood. All the

899
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 2: young coaches fall of McVeigh. They didn't want to play

900
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: any of their starters. So I do think there's a

901
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: division of coaches in the NFL. There's been McVeigh and

902
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: Lafleur and Shanahan, Raheem Morris, you know they see the

903
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 2: world a little bit differently.

904
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Well, that's Shanahan crew for sure. We'll look at to

905
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 1: all the parcels, guys parcells, Sean Payton there, Dan Campbell,

906
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: parcels under Sean Payton there. So I think, whoever all

907
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid's guys go to this, Pete Carroll's guys go

908
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: to this. Dan quinn was there, So I think, whoever

909
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: your mentor is or if Kyle's not going, I don't

910
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: need to mcveigh's not going, I don't need to go.

911
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: Not quite sure on McCarthy, he's surprised to be there,

912
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: but Jerry Steven that's a little bit of a unique organization.

913
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 1: Like they ain't ask him McCarthy's opinion. They're gonna take

914
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: whoever they want to take. Anyway, Robert Sala was a

915
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: guy who didn't want to go, and I think some

916
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: articles were written like you guys aren't good enough to

917
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: not show up, and he ended up showing up.

918
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: You know, I had ian Ian O'Connor on great author.

919
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 2: He's wrote Belichick, Derek cheterbook Captain, The Rising Ring of

920
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,840
Speaker 2: Mike Krzyzewski. He's writing an Aaron Rodgers book, Out of

921
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: the Darkness, which it comes out September. I cannot wait

922
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: to read that book. And I think the Jets, I think,

923
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 2: first of all, I think Aaron's a very complex, fascinating

924
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,479
Speaker 2: pro athlete. You know, he's got he's got a little

925
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 2: bit of the smartest guy in the room thing, but

926
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: he's a smart guy. So that's who Aeron is. I've

927
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 2: said this before and I said it last year. I

928
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: didn't pick him as a playoff team. They got they

929
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: gotta be good early because that Jets situation. When that

930
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: Nicole Hardman came thing out, he said basically, yeah, I've

931
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:35,120
Speaker 2: been with the Chiefs, and I've been with the Jets.

932
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: You guys don't have to believe me, but I know

933
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 2: what winning looks like, and that ain't it. And that

934
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: offense is just making shit up as they go With Aaron,

935
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 2: I got to tell you can. You don't have to

936
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 2: be a great player to have great access. Like I

937
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: thought that was damning by the way you could tell

938
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: it was because multiple Jets fired back and a guy

939
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: who had one catch as a Jet. What did you

940
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: make of that?

941
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: Well? I said this when the season and ended, I

942
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: am one hundred percent not falling from them again. I

943
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: will not pick them to make the playoffs. I don't

944
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: even give a shit who they sign or draft. I'm

945
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: not buying it, no chance none. I think the Rogers

946
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: thing five plays or whatever it was, but if you've

947
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: watched him for a long time, you could tell he

948
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: wasn't quite as quick. And you're telling me, and this

949
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,760
Speaker 1: is the thing with the Cousins. Cousins doesn't move outside

950
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: of a two yard radius. Rogers greatness. And the reason

951
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: you give a first round pick for a guy thirty

952
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: nine you're paying all this money to was all the

953
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: ad libbing and the movement stuff on top of the

954
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 1: arm in the accuracy that's gone, I'm betting against that.

955
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: And then the other thing is the organizational. No one

956
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 1: I know thinks Nathaniel Hackett's any good and that's not

957
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: even factoring in. Rogers tells him everything to do. So

958
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 1: you got this guy that is not some natural talent.

959
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,799
Speaker 1: You talk to people in the NFL, and I do

960
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: agree with this is most coaches on offense, if you

961
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: just get a quarterback coach, no coverages and no schemes,

962
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: there is like an innate ability to call plays. Some

963
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: guys have it, some guys do not. A lot of

964
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: people have personalities. If you put a microphone in front

965
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: of them, could they carry a show for an hour?

966
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: Probably not, but some people would be able to, just

967
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: like Shane Stiken had it. Brian Johnson this year the

968
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: Eagles found out does not have it right. Both of

969
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: them could get on a whiteboard and tell you different

970
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: things right, and you'd be like, Ah, this guy knows

971
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 1: a lot of football. So Nathaniel Hackett is not viewed

972
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: that way. Rogers kind of is, But he's kind of

973
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: like this Lebron James figure where he always gets his

974
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 1: way well you're not quite the same player. And then

975
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: there's these weird dynamics in the organization. I mean, the

976
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: athletic article coming out people whatever there is that never happens,

977
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. Why because everyone respects everyone. A lot of organizations,

978
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: when people don't respect each other, they start stabbing each

979
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: other in the back self preservation.

980
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: Well, it's like a white house. If there's a lot

981
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: of leaks, it tells you everything you know about the

982
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: president of the White House.

983
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: It's chaotic, and that to me was on full display.

984
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: And in fairness to everyone in there, if you're leaking,

985
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: you're like, this is all going down. So you're like,

986
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get some stuff out there. And that's what's

987
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: happening because you realize right away Aaron can't save us.

988
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: And even if he was one hundred percent healthy this year,

989
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: do they make the playoffs? The on line was terrible.

990
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: Probably not well, their on line's not gonna be that

991
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: much better. Their talent's not that great. I think they're

992
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: headed for complete implosion and a complete disaster. So and

993
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 1: a lot's gonna have to do with a guy. We've

994
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,240
Speaker 1: seen it with these other older quarterbacks of his generation.

995
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: Manning in breeze the moment they lost, and those guys

996
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: weren't dependent on movement at all, but their arms just went.

997
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: It was done. Roger's arm is still gonna be solid.

998
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: If he can't move, he's gonna be much closer to

999
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: the fifteenth overall guy than he is the six or seven.

1000
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: And then you got a problem because they're not good

1001
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: enough to overcome that.

1002
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 2: Go look at old quarterbacks. So Stafford had Whitworth, Andrew Whitworth.

1003
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 2: Stafford had a good O line. Older quarterback won a

1004
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 2: Super Bowl with the Rams. Brady had a good O line,

1005
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: they drafted, they were weak at right tackle. Tristan Wurfs

1006
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl. Russell and Denver with Peyton decent

1007
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 2: O line had a decent year Rogers battle line out

1008
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: in four snaps. O lines are significantly more important to

1009
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 2: older quarterbacks, and that there's no question. By the way

1010
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 2: Whitworth retires, Stafford gets hurt and the wheels come off.

1011
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: Then last year they shore you know, they get Dotson

1012
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: from the Steelers, they draft another guard, they shore up

1013
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 2: their middle. They're good enough at center, and Stafford's good again.

1014
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 2: So I don't think you can say what you want.

1015
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, to me, an offensive line matters much less

1016
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: for a hyper athletic quarterback. In the first three or

1017
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 2: four years. I mean, Kyler Murray made the playoffs running

1018
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: for his life. Russell Wilson never had. They had Tom Cable.

1019
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: Russell will never had great on lines in Seattle in

1020
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 2: his prime. He got to two Super Bowls. The weakness

1021
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 2: was the offensive line. That Jets on line. Let's say

1022
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: they get the third best left tackle, because about eight

1023
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: will get picked in this draft. That guy's Andrew Thomas

1024
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: and the Giants is excellent. He wasn't ready to play

1025
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: as a rookie. These left tackles. None of these guys

1026
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 2: are great. Trent Williams, Tyron Smith was for.

1027
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: The Cowboys outliers.

1028
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: Even successful left tackles scrap for until Thanksgiving. That the

1029
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 2: game is just so fast. These I mean, the best

1030
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: athletes outside a wide receiver in this league are arguably

1031
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: rush ends. So I just think they're gonna get a

1032
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: left tackle. He'll be fine. Rest of the O line

1033
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 2: is makeshift. Elijah Vera Tucker is never healthy. I think

1034
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a mess.

1035
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: And the other thing is that that city like Philly

1036
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 1: is unlike anything else and there is a massive bullseye

1037
00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 1: on that organized with Aaron and just with this operation.

1038
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: Now these articles coming out like everyone's paying attention. So

1039
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're two and four. I mean,

1040
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: we're talking about Robert sala. If they are under five

1041
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: hundred throughout the season getting fired in the middle of

1042
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: the season, that's very possible. All of a sudden, Gerrod

1043
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: Mayo beat you on Halloween with some random quarterback and

1044
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: you fall to four and six. Dode luck see you later.

1045
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: And Rogers starts acting weird. Everyone starts pointing the fingers.

1046
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: That's what happens in New York, you know, it's It's

1047
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 1: just you can see it coming from a mile away.

1048
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:38,280
Speaker 2: With this team, it's interesting. So Brady had some wants

1049
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 2: when he went to Tampa. But what he wanted he

1050
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 2: wanted Gronk, a winning player that still had juice in

1051
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 2: the tank. He wanted a b you know, a winning

1052
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 2: player who could make plays Aaron befriends like Randall Cobb,

1053
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: or an offensive lineman who's rotational, or Nat Hackett like

1054
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 2: I understand an older quarterback wanting to bring an ally

1055
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:08,399
Speaker 2: like I totally get it on that side of the ball.

1056
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 1: Coaches do it all the time.

1057
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, just bring a guy that can play. It's like

1058
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: Aaron Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb and that Hackett that I mean,

1059
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: Brady came out and said, listen, I need my security blanket.

1060
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 2: Even Leonard Fournett, you know, Brady apparently just said, listen,

1061
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 2: he's a veteran, he's a little undervalued. He'll be fine.

1062
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: He's a gronk.

1063
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: They were, they were producing in yes games for the guy.

1064
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: All the guys Rogers brought over, if they were good,

1065
00:54:36,080 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: could not have produced. They would have been you know,

1066
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:41,120
Speaker 1: kicked to the side for younger players. They weren't good

1067
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: enough to if the team had, if he had been healthy,

1068
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,919
Speaker 1: to help them compete. That was clear when they were bad.

1069
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: So I'm with you, I mean, I he likes these guys.

1070
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: Randall Cobble was a really good player ten years ago,

1071
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: eight years ago, it's been a while. So And the

1072
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: other thing with Gronk they already had. He got to

1073
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 1: kind of rotate in and out, yes, and also helped

1074
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: teach everyone else the offense with Tom and kind of

1075
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: his quirks.

1076
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's just it's interesting, is is Brady is always

1077
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 2: strategic and it felt like Aaron wanted to be comfortable.

1078
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,360
Speaker 2: Tom wanted to be great. You know Tom's standard is

1079
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:21,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowls. Tom still had that fire. Tom wanted to

1080
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 2: be great. You know, you wouldn't take Nat Hackett nobody.

1081
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 2: I don't think Aaron thinks he's great. I mean you

1082
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: watched Aaron Rodgers' reaction multiple times this season because the

1083
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 2: camera was always shake his head constantly, So like Aaron's

1084
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: no dummy, he knows. So it's like, I don't know,

1085
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 2: it's you know, I'll say this about like Lebron James.

1086
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, Lebron James, he wanted Chris Bosh and Dwayne

1087
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 2: Wade and Kyrie and Kevin Love and Anthony Davis. You know,

1088
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: Lebron's got no loyalty. If you can't play, he'll bring

1089
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,000
Speaker 2: his guys. But you know he'll bring clutch sports he'll

1090
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,040
Speaker 2: bring so you know it. I think, you know, the

1091
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: great players not only are they strategic, but you've got

1092
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,359
Speaker 2: to you've got to elevate them. Like Aaron brought over

1093
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 2: guys that I don't know if he drinks, but like

1094
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 2: it sounds like they were like drinking buddies or like

1095
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 2: like poker buddies it's like Aaron It's just you're going

1096
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: up against Buffalo Belichick's not good enough.

1097
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: Well, compare that, like how big that headline was last

1098
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: year Rogers to the Jets and the way everyone talked

1099
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: about it to now this year's version. It's not a

1100
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: it's not a quarterback, it's a coach. Hard bought of

1101
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: the Chargers. I didn't meet one person with at the combine.

1102
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: They didn't go They're gonna be good. It might this

1103
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 1: year might be a little bit of a transition. They

1104
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: got some cap stuff. We'll see how these next couple

1105
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: months play out. But even people like I bet they'll

1106
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: figure some of that out and they'll draft enough guys.

1107
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: They're a playoff team next year. No one. I mean

1108
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: they had eighteen guys at the combine. Eighteen. They had

1109
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: six offensive linemen. You can only play five at one time.

1110
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:59,959
Speaker 1: This guy, I mean, he's the Chargers. That is a

1111
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: that's a team. And on the on the opposite side,

1112
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: and listen, I know you worked with him. I've never

1113
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 1: met him. I always when it comes to someone in

1114
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: football who supports you, and Antonio Pierce obviously as a player,

1115
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 1: was really good. Marvin Lewis really high level guy is

1116
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: his guy, and Tom Coughlin loves him. He's a good

1117
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: foot Antonio Piers is a good football guy. Being a

1118
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: head coach is a little different animal, and he's been

1119
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: talking a lot, like you do know you're going You

1120
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: got the big version of Andy Bill Walsh right now

1121
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and you got Jim Harbaugh who's been

1122
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: winning now for twenty plus years at every freaking level.

1123
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: And Sean Payton got paid ninety million dollars for a reason,

1124
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 1: like it's just it's gonna be very, very difficult. So

1125
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: you almost see most people I know think the Raiders

1126
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: are in trouble, not because they even think Antonio Pierce

1127
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: is like some idiot, it's just that's just gonna be difficult,

1128
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,800
Speaker 1: and his natural reactions kind of a little more player

1129
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: talking a lot. It's not really how coaches operate. And

1130
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: then everyone's like thinks the Chargers are gonna just be

1131
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: good quick.

1132
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's one of the things I've really

1133
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 2: come to terms with the NFL. There's a saying when

1134
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: you have kids, you don't have any yet, don't know

1135
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 2: if you plan to, But the saying, and it's really true,

1136
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 2: is the days are long, but the years fly by.

1137
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 2: You look up and your kids are like eighteen. My

1138
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 2: son had his eighteenth birthday the other day, and it

1139
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: feels like, you know, a few years ago, we were

1140
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: at Disneyland on rides, laughing or butt off. One of

1141
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 2: the things I think I've come to terms with is

1142
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: week to week, the NFL has surprises, but by the

1143
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,560
Speaker 2: end of the year, it's the same seven to eight

1144
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 2: coaches and quarterbacks, and you know, week to week you're like,

1145
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 2: oh my god, I can't believe that team. You know,

1146
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 2: it's the owners are going to propose an eighteen game

1147
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,520
Speaker 2: schedule here over the next calendar year.

1148
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: Many I don't think you propose. I think it's coming.

1149
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 2: So when you have eighteen weeks in the NFL, you're

1150
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: just gonna have guys beat up. Good teams are gonna

1151
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 2: have bad weeks. I mean the Chief scuffed. I mean,

1152
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: look at the look at the Niners. They got housed

1153
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: by the Ravens. I mean, it just didn't even show up.

1154
00:58:56,640 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 2: So I think the NFL is getting more predicted. I

1155
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: don't think it's a bad thing necessarily for ratings or

1156
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 2: consumer interest, but it's that salary cap going up just

1157
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: ensures they're really good teams. So what it ensures is

1158
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: the good teams can keep the guys they may have

1159
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 2: had to move, and the bad teams will overspend in

1160
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 2: the free agent market. That's the guarantee. Bad teams will overspend,

1161
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: good teams will smartly spend and retain good players. So

1162
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: I think I've already gone through kind of my predictions

1163
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 2: on the with all the coaching higher stuff. After free agency,

1164
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: I unless you know, Atlanta is the one team based

1165
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 2: on who they land at quarterback, I would significantly alter.

1166
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 2: I would have them win the division. If they got

1167
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson or Kirk Cousins, I could win the division.

1168
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: Outside of that, I feel like I'm taking Buffalo, Cincinnati, Baltimore,

1169
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 2: AFC South a little wonky, I'll take Kansas City Chargers.

1170
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 2: I think Washington's going to be the surprise team in

1171
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 2: the league. I'll take Dallas Washington, Philadelphia pulls back, I'll

1172
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: take Detroit, Green Bay, San Francisco Rams, And I'm totally

1173
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: comfortable with all that.

1174
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so you basically have one or two swings,

1175
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: and that's how it basically is. So everyone talking worse

1176
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 1: from first, worse from first, it's not as it's usually

1177
01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 1: an injury based that happens a lot when you have

1178
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: or a team with a lot of injuries. The Niners

1179
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: have been to the conference championship for the last five years.

1180
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty, they lost half their team to injuries.

1181
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: It wasn't like the coach in the organization didn't know

1182
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: what happened. The Bengals missed the playoffs this year because

1183
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: their quarterback played like seven games. You know, this isn't

1184
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 1: a very complicated I'm telling you. It was eye opening

1185
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: at the combine talking to you, just Veach and Andy

1186
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: and I've known these guys forever that these organizations, like

1187
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: even Sean Payton, John Payton's really good. I'm a believer

1188
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 1: in them. They got some questions internally in the organization.

1189
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean's sitting next to a guy when the camera

1190
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: goes to him, which is his new hire from personnel

1191
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: guy from the Saints. You know, is he forcing out?

1192
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,439
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of moving parts as you're taking

1193
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 1: organ The Chiefs have none of that, The Rams have

1194
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: none of that. You replace a coach here in there.

1195
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: But like the organization, the way you look what you

1196
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: want in players, everything the Ravens. Everything's so streamlined. It's

1197
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 1: like Amazon. You know, there's no just question marks, it's

1198
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: just and some of these organizations are just trying to

1199
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,919
Speaker 1: walk straight and chew gum at the same time.

1200
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: John Middlecoff, former NFL Scout three and out the volume.

1201
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:29,760
Speaker 2: Good stuff. We wrapped up the combine. Next time we talk,

1202
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: it'll be more about quarterbacks moving. There's a lot of

1203
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: discussion about this. Stuff's going to happen very quickly, and

1204
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 2: it always comes out before March thirteenth, as always, Buddy,

1205
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Good seeing.

1206
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: You, buckle up, Colin, see you soon.

1207
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,520
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1208
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,320
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