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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dutton Zaren cue Burnette.

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Speaker 3: I got a question for you, Elizabeth Dutton. You know

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Speaker 3: what's ridiculous? I do?

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Speaker 2: Okay, stop right there, I do.

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Speaker 3: I will collaborate and I will listen.

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Speaker 2: You know what's one of one of the things that's ridiculous,

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Speaker 2: Like all the different kinds of mustard, Like there's my

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Speaker 2: favorite Mendocino mustard.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the Russian hot must be talking about

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Speaker 3: hot dogs?

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Speaker 2: No, okay, we're talking about mustard. Man.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love mustard. We both love mustard. Is established?

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Speaker 2: Do you love mustard enough to eat it in skittle form? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How did you slide? There's no way that we can

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Speaker 3: be like talking about mustard. She would just come right

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Speaker 3: at me with it.

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Speaker 2: And then I love mustard Skittles, Skittles, there's a there's

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Speaker 2: a french Is mustard, which is like kind of the

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Speaker 2: like lowest rung of mustard.

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Speaker 3: It is french Is mustard hot dogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, and you got to kind of be a

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Speaker 2: little out of it. French's Mustard and Skittles have teamed

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Speaker 2: up and it's for Uh Mustard Day, National Mustard Day.

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Speaker 3: August fifth, Is that a new holiday? We've been celebrating

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Speaker 3: this all all this time, I've been missing out on

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Speaker 3: National Mustard Day.

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Speaker 2: So I've kind of mentioned before that we're recording this

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Speaker 2: pre August fifth, but I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 2: to air after August fifth. Thank you. There you go.

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Speaker 3: I learned from you.

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Speaker 2: So we you know that our social media people send

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Speaker 2: us all the stuff that comes in and thank you

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Speaker 2: for that. By the way, thank you for your service.

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Speaker 2: And literally like hundreds hundreds of messages from all the

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Speaker 2: various platforms that email account that we have, and about

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Speaker 2: the mustard.

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Speaker 3: Skittles this week you've just been getting.

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Speaker 2: It just doesn't stop, and they just keep coming to

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Speaker 2: me and.

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Speaker 3: Send me the mashups they only get.

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Speaker 2: They only send it to me, and most people are like, ooh,

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Speaker 2: this is for this with don't tells there. So apparently

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Speaker 2: they were getting really good dated.

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Speaker 3: I see how you feel about dated.

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Speaker 2: With the mustard skittles. And so here's the thing. I

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Speaker 2: went to the website because I you know, I do

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Speaker 2: love websites, and I tried to find out where where

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Speaker 2: for art that do you order some? Well, I tried,

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Speaker 2: so you can't get them in the store, of course not.

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Speaker 3: And you can never get it in the stores.

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Speaker 2: There are three places where you can get them on

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Speaker 2: Mustard Day.

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Speaker 3: It's one of them, like Mets.

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Speaker 2: Actually no, it's other around Mustard Day.

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Speaker 3: So in Atlanta, like I won't call any baseball team

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Speaker 3: by the other names, there's always the team.

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Speaker 2: Okay, go on Atlanta July thirty first at Pont City Market. Oh,

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Speaker 2: actually that and Washington d C August second at City

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Speaker 2: Center and these are all like eleven am to three pm.

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Speaker 2: And then New York City get a rope August fifth

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you can't get to those spots and a

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Speaker 2: friend right, or you can go to their website and

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Speaker 2: be one of seven hundred winners entering your information and

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Speaker 2: you'll probably get emails about mustard to the end of

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Speaker 2: days and then you can enter. So I entered, you

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Speaker 2: know what I did. I called my mom was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: enter and try and get me them skittles. And she

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Speaker 2: said the website was down and it said there was

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Speaker 2: too much traffic. So anyway, I told people who.

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Speaker 3: Wants mustard, honestly, who wants mustard skittles?

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Speaker 2: Nobody, No one does except for now me. I told

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Speaker 2: people on Twitter that if I got them, if if

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Speaker 2: Skittles sent them to me, I would eat them on

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Speaker 2: this show, right in front of you. And they like,

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Speaker 2: do the thing where I open my mouth and my

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Speaker 2: tongues all bright yellow and all that, and so I

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Speaker 2: do that, and then if someone else wound up getting

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Speaker 3: So I say, if someone else gets someone sounds like

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Speaker 3: you're talking about like a transmitted disease, like if someone else.

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Speaker 2: Someone contracts the Skittles. In the past, they've done mustard donut,

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Speaker 2: that's mustard ice cream, mustard hot dog buns, and even

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Speaker 3: Is this always Frenches?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, they're trying to make this happen.

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Speaker 3: There these conference rooms. I'm telling these corporation conference rooms fun.

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Speaker 2: But you know they got to start cutting me in

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Speaker 3: If you're going to do on the ground floor.

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Speaker 2: Send this to me and I'll talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Hype it up before the people need to hear about it. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 3: you got a second, of course, I got some ridiculous

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Speaker 2: Please.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't evolve mustard, damn it. I know, but okay,

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Speaker 3: I'll just put it to you this way. Life advice. Okay,

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Speaker 3: you're gonna give me something, giving you some girl, Okay,

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Speaker 3: if you're the kind of person enter into a life

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Speaker 3: packed with somebody, Yeah, like one of the things like

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Speaker 3: I promised you this, and they could go like no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: like a promise to like a really good friend. One

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Speaker 3: no no, and not like one of those like I'll

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Speaker 3: give you my firstborn child. I don't mean just shot

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Speaker 3: a child. Whatever those life packs are. You tell your

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Speaker 3: buddy like I'm going to do this, then you promise

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Speaker 3: and you really mean it. Okay, Okay, those you have

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Speaker 3: to honor those commitments. Be a mench exactly. So basically

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Elizabeth is, if you promise you would

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Speaker 3: steal your friend's dead body, then you have to steal

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Speaker 3: your friend's dead body.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't make something that you can't follow up.

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Speaker 3: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 3: and con It's always ninety nine percent order free and

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent ridiculous, is Elizabeth zaren You know the

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Speaker 3: band the Flying Burrito Brothers, Right, not personally, but you

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Speaker 3: heard of them, you know, grand partisons. You know this

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Speaker 3: is okay, So this story is really kind of aimed

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Speaker 3: at you. This is a peak California story.

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Speaker 2: You know. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Now you know this whole genre, this field, this mood,

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Speaker 3: this lifestyle better than I do. So this is the

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Speaker 3: story aimed at you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Happy Mustard day to me.

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Speaker 3: Now do you know what happened after Graham Parsons died?

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Speaker 2: Well, why don't you back it up? Refresh my memories

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Speaker 2: Graham Parsons.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So, Graham Parsons was a country rockery and he

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Speaker 3: was part of that Laurel Canyon set in the nineteen

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Speaker 3: Emmy Lou Harris. It was that Stephen Still, Stephen Still,

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Speaker 2: I believe we're all through the sometimes young.

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Speaker 3: Now I've got a story for you based on that

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Speaker 3: that whole scene. Okay, right now, Graham Parsons came out

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Speaker 3: a singer songwriter and a solo artist. I'd say is

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Speaker 3: probably the best way to think about him. Now, guy's

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Speaker 3: a consummate baby boomer, right, born at the perfect sweet

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Speaker 3: this isn't what's always been right, right? Right? Yeah, So

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Speaker 3: then that everyone's their parents had run away to the

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Speaker 3: they wrote songs about how much it sucked. Right, that's him. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So dude was born in winter Park, Florida. He was

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Speaker 3: raised up in way Cross, Georgia. Do you know Waycross, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's a beautiful place. I've never been there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way Cross, Georgia. That's that's how it got

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Speaker 3: Waycross way Across Georgia. That's what anyway, what he would

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Speaker 3: This wasn't everyone's experience of Waycross. Some people really like Waycross.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to bag on it. But Graham Parson

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Speaker 3: he wasn't into this small town life, right. He didn't

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Speaker 3: Going to Harvard. No, he was not that guy actually,

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Speaker 3: So that's how he that's what he got out of Harvard,

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Speaker 3: He likes, Yeah, he likes like the Bakersfield sound, the

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Speaker 3: always been a musician. He started playing guitar in his teens.

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Speaker 3: Then back then he wanted to be like Elvis. Who

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Speaker 3: So he drops out of college becomes a full time musician.

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Speaker 3: Now he had a rare talent because all of a sudden,

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Speaker 3: I don't even understand how he just starts always finding

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Speaker 3: So he gets an audition to join the Birds the

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Speaker 3: he was walking around the room. I'd never seen anything

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00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:20,120
Speaker 3: like it in my life.

434
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:20,840
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

435
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,840
Speaker 3: Right, so he's back alive. Now, now that he's conscious again,

436
00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 3: up and walking Margaret, he takes off to go get

437
00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,840
Speaker 3: some coffee because this has been stressful for her. Right,

438
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 3: Margaret tells maclury just watched Graham for a don't make

439
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,199
Speaker 3: sure he doesn't go back to sleep, and so he

440
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,399
Speaker 3: does as he's told. But that's all he knows is

441
00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:35,800
Speaker 3: just make sure he doesn't go back to sleep. He

442
00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,240
Speaker 3: doesn't know what to do when Graham Parsons stops breathing,

443
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,280
Speaker 3: so he freaked out panic. They try to resuscitate him.

444
00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 3: This doesn't work. Finally someone decides to call the paramedics.

445
00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 3: They call nine to one one. It's too late, and

446
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,560
Speaker 3: this point Graham Parsons has been pronounced dead. Coroner notes

447
00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,119
Speaker 3: that the singer songwriter he died of acute alcohol and

448
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 3: morphine poisoning. It was exactly the mixed Keith Richard and

449
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,679
Speaker 3: so you know, yeah, exactly. So the Phil Kaufman, the manager,

450
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,480
Speaker 3: he's back in La when the singer, his bud's best

451
00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,440
Speaker 3: friend dies. He gets the call from Dale McElroy. Right,

452
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 3: and hey, this is how he tells it. Quote. When

453
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 3: Dale called and told me Graham was done, I said no, no,

454
00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 3: but Dale said Graham is dead and they're taking his

455
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 3: body away. And I said, okay, I'll be right there.

456
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:19,679
Speaker 3: It was about a three hour drive to get there

457
00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:21,919
Speaker 3: from La Now Cafe Miles. My girlfriend at the time

458
00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 3: had a VW bus. So they load up in the

459
00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 3: VW bus and they race out to Joshua Treat. It's

460
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 3: a long, panic, three hour drive. We got to the

461
00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 3: motel early in ther and I cleaned the motel room out.

462
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 3: Good managery. He just gets rid of the drugs, right,

463
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 3: that's the first things first, Right, get rid of the

464
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 3: drug stash. Then quote at the hospital, I was told

465
00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,679
Speaker 3: the police wanted to interview the girls again. So I

466
00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 3: told him who I was, and I said, I'll bring

467
00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,399
Speaker 3: the girls in, right. So then he rushes back to

468
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:44,640
Speaker 3: where the girls are. He's like, we need to get

469
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 3: you out of town. So then he rushes them back

470
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 3: to LA and gets them away from the police. Quote.

471
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,639
Speaker 3: I got everybody in the car, took them back to

472
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 3: La out of the local police jurisdiction, so the girls

473
00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 3: wouldn't have to be interviewed very much a rock and

474
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 3: roll manager at the time. Yeah, so what's next?

475
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: Now?

476
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 3: Time to lay low? Right, So he's like, I stayed

477
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 3: home at my house on Chandler in LA for a

478
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,080
Speaker 3: couple of days, but I knew what I had to do.

479
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 3: I had to fulfill my promise to Graham. I mean,

480
00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 3: you remember the promise, right, He promised that he would

481
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 3: ensure that his friend's body was cremated. He didn't just

482
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: make a promise. He said it was a life pack

483
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,679
Speaker 3: between them, so he had to go through with it.

484
00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 3: And this dude, Kaufman, he is a manch so he

485
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 3: does just as he promised. Yes, after this little break,

486
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: I will tell you about his plan to steal Graham

487
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: Parson's body. Yes, all right, Elizabeth, I know it's been

488
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 3: a little bit of a bummer for you because, yeah,

489
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: it's a little sad like with this guy. He's like

490
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 3: an up and coming artist and he basically just takes

491
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 3: himself out unfortunately on drug ugs and hubris. Yeah, but

492
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: I'll tell you there is somewhat of a happy ending

493
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 3: in terms of his friends really go the extra mile

494
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:10,199
Speaker 3: for him and they try to make one of his

495
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,880
Speaker 3: last wishes come true. Right, good, So it was kind

496
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,240
Speaker 3: of like a really weird, twisted make a wish foundation,

497
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 3: all right. So Kaufman, he's on his way, yeah, as

498
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,479
Speaker 3: I told you, like in his mind back to Graham Parsons. Right.

499
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 3: So he's like, I got to figure out a way

500
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,479
Speaker 3: to steal his body. Okay, Now why do I say

501
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,280
Speaker 3: steal his body? Because he knows it's in Joshua Tree

502
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,840
Speaker 3: at some like you know, coroner's office. Yeah. He also

503
00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: knows he comes from an old Southern family, though most

504
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: likely they're rich. They're going to have the bodies flown

505
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 3: back home as soon as they find out he's passed away.

506
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,000
Speaker 3: So he's like, I got to get there before that

507
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 3: if I'm going to give him what he wanted for

508
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: his last wish. Right. So he says, and I quote,

509
00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:48,760
Speaker 3: I call the mortuary in Joshua Tree to find out

510
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 3: where Graham's body was. They told me he was in

511
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 3: route to the Continental Airlines at lax from where he

512
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 3: would be shipped back to his stepfather in New Orleans.

513
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:57,679
Speaker 2: Oh, they'd already gotten on it.

514
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: As it happened, Dale owned a big Cadillac, So I

515
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: told her I wanted it and I needed Michael to

516
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: help me. So he's got a plan. Oh god, I

517
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 3: just need a hearse. Oh god, he knows somebody with

518
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 3: a hearse.

519
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, anytime a friend of yours is like do you

520
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: have a hurse? Just feel like take a deep breath

521
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 2: and be like, act about this one.

522
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,480
Speaker 3: What about if you are the friend with the hearse?

523
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 3: Why people always coming to you? Did I borrow your hearse? Yeah?

524
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: I know I've called people before me like hey, do

525
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 2: you still have a truck, which is like, oh, I

526
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 2: feel like such a jerk saying that, but like you know,

527
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,479
Speaker 2: because if you own a truck and everyone's constantly they

528
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,440
Speaker 2: always call it. Yeah. But if I, first of all,

529
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: if I have a hearse, I got so many bigger

530
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: problems and no offense to everyone listening as a hearse whatever,

531
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: we get it, you're spooky. It's just all too rob zombies, like,

532
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,320
Speaker 2: get a real car, really, get something pracked.

533
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 3: But if you like headroom, what if you're really taking

534
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 3: all right? Well, now he's got his plan to get

535
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: Graham right, he has to put it into action. The

536
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 3: planner they told you was simple. Steal the body of

537
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 3: Graham Parsons, cremate it right, So how is he going

538
00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 3: to do this?

539
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: That's what the voices in my head say. Sometimes steal

540
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 2: the body of grand bars it's cremated. I'm like, I

541
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: don't what anyway?

542
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: Go on? Well, he phones the Contino Airlines mortuary service

543
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 3: department and he found out when his friend's body wo

544
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 3: be flown out of Lax Right, he had to find

545
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 3: out when's he leave in the area. Yeah, So once

546
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 3: he had that intel, he contacted some friends. He puts

547
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 3: together his body heist team, because you're gonna need a

548
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,320
Speaker 3: body heist team lift the coffin by yourself. So to

549
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 3: start off, the hearse that he goes to pick up

550
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 3: it was a humdinger when he sees it. Right, he'd

551
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 3: remembered it well, but it wasn't the way he remembered it.

552
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: So at this point, the hearst is primarily being used

553
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: for camping trips.

554
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 2: Right.

555
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: So the car had numerous broken windows where like tent

556
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: poles had gone through or a rocket hit.

557
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: Right.

558
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: It also ran kind of uneven because all they needed

559
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:46,840
Speaker 3: to do is get to the mountains and backs, so

560
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 3: they didn't run it all the time, which is always

561
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: bad for an old car. It had no license plates whatsoever. Right,

562
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 3: they decided, well that's good enough. We don't have time

563
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 3: to deal with all that, right, So next up they're like, okay,

564
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 3: we need outfits. Right, They're gonna need something convincing. Right,

565
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,400
Speaker 3: so you're gonna steal your friend's dead body, you want

566
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: to look sharp, right, So the Body Heights team they

567
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 3: opted for formal wear because they want to look like

568
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 3: they're from a mortuary service, so that fits their cover story.

569
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 3: So they see themselves in the monkey suits they put.

570
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: On, right, they put on tuxedos, will.

571
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 3: Like black suits, you know, white exactly right. But the

572
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 3: hippie rockers are like, hell, nah, this ain't right. Graham

573
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: wouldn't allow this, so they changed from their convincing suits

574
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 3: and instead they wore old jeans, cowboy boots, cowboy hats,

575
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 3: and matching jackets. On the back of the jackets and

576
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 3: blazoned and broad letters was sin City.

577
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: Where are these like those nuty suit jackets? Like he

578
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 2: wore nuty suits, Yeah he would, Yeah, those country suits.

579
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: The ring spangled and Brian beautiful, So he liked those,

580
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: but he liked the more the hippie style with the

581
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,520
Speaker 3: pants with like you know, the flare leg pants and

582
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: the flames, and they kind of more like Mariachi and

583
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 3: like Mattador style. Yeah, okay, so that's what they imagine.

584
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: They're rocking that the Sin City though jacket, and they're like,

585
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,439
Speaker 3: I don't know, like roady jackets. Okay, okay, so.

586
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: They also pretty dope.

587
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 3: Look it sounds that's what I'm thinking, you know. And

588
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: then they also they said, okay, we're taking a trip,

589
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 3: so we're gonna need some refreshments. So they got a cooler,

590
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 3: a beer, and a bottle of Jack Daniels.

591
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 2: No lessons learned at this point, they're like, no one

592
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 2: was like, hold on a second, did did you guys?

593
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 2: Did we learn anything from from?

594
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 3: No? None whatsoever? Just faster, harder.

595
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like spike me.

596
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 3: And then they start driving, so they load up beyond

597
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 3: the wheel the Hearse. They head to the airport. Now

598
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 3: I'm just.

599
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Glad also that the Hearse isn't one of those where

600
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 2: it's like painted purple and people hot glue little doll

601
00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 2: heads all.

602
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 3: Over it, like an hard car.

603
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not like that.

604
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 3: I like, yeah, exactly, it's a working man's hurst. So,

605
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 3: as Coffin tells it, quote, they had a holding area

606
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: in the hangar at the airport where they take the

607
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 3: caskets for onward shipment. We got there about ten o'clock

608
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 3: on the Thursday night. So they pull up, it's dark.

609
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 3: He's got his partner in crime with him, this dude

610
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 3: named Michael Martin. So they pull up nearly the same

611
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 3: time as a flatbed truck that as the casket containing

612
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 3: grand Parsons. So it takes a little sweet talking, but

613
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,120
Speaker 3: the manager Kauf and he's able to convince the airline

614
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 3: that the family has changed their mind and that they

615
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,159
Speaker 3: now want the body to be flown back south on

616
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 3: a private chartered flight. So the airline's like, oh, of course,

617
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: of course, you'll have to sign some paperwork, and he's like, oh,

618
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: of course, of course.

619
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

620
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 3: So he does. He signs it Jeremy Nobody. He was

621
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: very proud of this. Every time he tells the story,

622
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: he's like, I signed it Jeremy Nobody. Okay, buddy, anyway,

623
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: Jeremy Nobody. He now has his paperwork all done up.

624
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 3: The airline employee goes, I'll help you to dirtbag Country Rockers.

625
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 3: So they start to load the casket into the broken

626
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 3: down old hurts everything's going perfect, couldn't be going better,

627
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: right until the fuzz arrives. So don't look now, but

628
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: it's the cops. So cop car pulls up and blocks

629
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: the open hangar door, and they're a little sketched out

630
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: because they're drunk and they shouldn't be driving. The Coffin

631
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: and Martin are almost certain they're going to be gig

632
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: be busted. Oh but they're cool. They're they're you know,

633
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 3: they're zonked out on pills too. They're a little bit

634
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: you know, medicated. They act cool, play cool, they're super chill.

635
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 3: The manager and walks right out to the cop and

636
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 3: in his most annoyed, officious managerial tone possibly, he says, hey,

637
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: can you move that patrol car?

638
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh it, yes, yes, you got to act like you know, tells.

639
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 3: The cop what to do right. The cop just stares

640
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 3: back at him, like what who do you think you are?

641
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 3: Then he's like, oh, I see you got the hurst.

642
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: He apologizes to the manager and he goes, yeah, let

643
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 3: me help you guys. So he helps them load the

644
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 3: casket into their way. Then he sees that there are

645
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: empty beer cans and a half drunk bottle of whiskey.

646
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: The CoP's like, it must be a tough time for

647
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: these guys. I don't know bakers. He's guessing that these

648
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: people who should be at work, this is their job,

649
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 3: they don't. He doesn't know that they know him personally.

650
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: They would just assume they're mortuary service workers.

651
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 2: I mean that video has been making the rounds on

652
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: social media, where like they interviewed people in the eighties

653
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 2: when they outlawed drunk driving, and the guy's like cracking

654
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: a beer in the driver.

655
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 3: So he's like, I think this is yeah, you remember,

656
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 3: I remember the cure's a beer for the want one

657
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 3: for the road. That meant as you were driving. So

658
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: my dad's friends would give each other a beer for

659
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: the road, and that meant literally for the road before

660
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 3: you get on their car. But like here in the car,

661
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 3: pop this open and be drinking it, right, yeah, So

662
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 3: it was common, very common.

663
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: Yet you right away.

664
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,720
Speaker 3: A decade and a half before mad turn into the

665
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 3: whole drunk driving conversation. Right, So the cop looks these guys, figures,

666
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: must something must be going on for these guys, and

667
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: he goes, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes

668
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: right now, So he has sympathy for them.

669
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: Right, it looks pretty chill. Go ahead exact, So.

670
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 3: The partner, cried Michael Martin. He gets me on the

671
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: wheel of the hearse and then he starts to drive.

672
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 3: But he, of course, like I said, drunk driving, boom

673
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: hits the hangar door. The CoP's like, oh, what's going on?

674
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: Oh here, let me get my car, gets his car

675
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,479
Speaker 3: backs up so they have more room. And then so

676
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 3: now they've managed to successfully steal their friend's body. So

677
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: what do they do now, Elizabeth.

678
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

679
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 3: They have to drive to the desert, get to josh Retreat.

680
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: It's a very simple point.

681
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 2: You know how many pit stops they were going to

682
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 2: make in La?

683
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 3: Good call. They do make a pitstop. They stop and

684
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 3: get gas, right because they needed a little extra gas

685
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 3: for the fire. So they load up a can with

686
00:29:57,840 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 3: five gallons of gas.

687
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 2: Wait for the okay, yeah, okay, so they're not doing crematorium.

688
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: They're coming together and then the.

689
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: Aam the hearst of Joshua Tree and they say good

690
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: night to La and they drive off right. As Coffin

691
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 3: tells it, quote off we went and our drunken stupor

692
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: with Graham in the back and drove out beyond the

693
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 3: Joshua Tree in by now it's like one am. So

694
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: they stop at this place called cap Rock. It's a

695
00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: striking geological feature in the Joshua Tree National Park. Inside

696
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 3: the rock is this really big flat rockets and oblong

697
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: in shape. It's about ten feet long, and it's resting

698
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: at like this cock eyed angle. Right, they felt that

699
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,239
Speaker 3: was the perfect place to barbecue their friend. So, but

700
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 3: rather than tell you about Elizabeth, I'd like you to

701
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 3: close your eyes and picture, Oh God, you are a

702
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: road runner. That's right, the long legged desert bird of

703
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: Warner Brothers fame. And the way you past your bedtime.

704
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: You were awakened by the sound of an old car approaching.

705
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 3: The headlights glared into your nest. They are on the

706
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: ground at the foot of a cactus, tucked away in

707
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 3: a bramble of brush that encircles the cactus. You've been watching.

708
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,240
Speaker 3: A pair of idiots try to wrestle a coffin out

709
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 3: of her hearse, and they struggle mightily. One of the

710
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: men loses his grip, and the coffin drops hard against

711
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: the back bumper of the hearse and then settles against

712
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 3: the desert ground. You prop your head up on your nest,

713
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 3: and you watch the men as they drag the coffin

714
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 3: through the dirt over to a spot below a large

715
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 3: rocky prominence in an angled boulder. They seem satisfied this

716
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: is the spot. One of the men opens the casket.

717
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: It creaks. The hinges are in desperate need of oil.

718
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 3: The casket falls open. You stare at the two men

719
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 3: as they stare at their friend. The quiet moment is

720
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 3: broken by the sound of an owl call. One of

721
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 3: the men reaches forward, and you hear the other one say,

722
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: don't touch him. That same guy bends down and grabs

723
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: the red gas can. He opens it and then tours

724
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 3: the contents on the coffin, dousing it all with gasoline.

725
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 3: You wonder if you need to move your nest. You

726
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 3: hear one man say together, all right, all right, Graham,

727
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,479
Speaker 3: you're on your way. Brother. Now there's a small flash

728
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 3: of flame. It's a match. The man holding it tosses

729
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 3: on in the coffin doused a gasoline, and it erupts

730
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: in bright, hot flank. Tremendous sound that accompanies the fireball,

731
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 3: and it lights up the desert midnight blackness above you.

732
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: You're like these idiots are gonna burn down everything, But nope,

733
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 3: it just burns the casket. The two men step back

734
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 3: from the now brightly burning casket to stare. They stare

735
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: as the ashes rise and lift up into the sky.

736
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 3: They float like they might make it all the way

737
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: up to the stars. The two men seem very solemn

738
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: to you, but yet also very triumphant. They clap each

739
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 3: other on the back, and they say good final goodbyes

740
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: to their friends. Then they both turned suddenly, and they

741
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 3: turn to look at what has caught their attention. It's

742
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 3: a pair of headlights headed right for you and for them.

743
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 3: The two guys in the burning casket are framed in light.

744
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 3: The two men don't put the fire out, then, said,

745
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 3: they run back to the hearse it roars back to life,

746
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: and they tears out of there, leaming the flaming coffee behind.

747
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: For you to wonder, who's gonna put this out? And

748
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: now you wonder how am I going to get a sleep?

749
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: Have to sleep tonight? Right? Heck of a night for

750
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 3: you night. So these two drunken hockey talk heroes of

751
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 3: the afterlife. They set free the spirit of their dearly

752
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 3: departed friend. They good to their life pack, and they

753
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 3: get so in his most beloved place, they realize that

754
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: while he may now be free and gone from this

755
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 3: mortal plane of existence, they are still very much alive.

756
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 3: And now they're in a lot of legal trouble, I'd

757
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 3: say so. They quickly grasp this fact that they are

758
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 3: now in a car chase, and they tear across the

759
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: desert in the national forests, afraid of all the ugly

760
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 3: legal consequences now dangling over them, and they speed and

761
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: speed and speed away from the headlights on the horizon.

762
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 3: But the headlights are gaining on him. It feels like

763
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: they're not certain, but it feels like it right. They

764
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: keep getting closer and closer. But this hurts. It's a

765
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 3: terrible getaway car. If you're going to get a getaway

766
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: car and don't pick.

767
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 2: A hurt I'd say so.

768
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. But somehow, these two amateur arsonists they manage to

769
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 3: hammer down and they truck across the desert and make

770
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,959
Speaker 3: it to a freeway or actually a highway rather, and

771
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 3: then they b line it all the way back to

772
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 3: La Their plan total success. Now all they have to

773
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: do is get back and become once again anonymous citizens.

774
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 3: Of the City of Angels.

775
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: Sure, easy enough, right, but first.

776
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 3: They decide, you know what, we're a little bit drunk.

777
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: We should probably get some sleep.

778
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, good idea.

779
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: So they stop, They pull off for a little nap

780
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 3: and uh, then they'll get back to being anonymous.

781
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: Oh so the side of the road, pull over.

782
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: And they take a crash out for a while. When

783
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 3: they wake up, the hurts won't start. So now they're

784
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: stuck in the desert, coming down, sobering up, headaches starting

785
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 3: to take hold. So they hike across the desert and

786
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: they get to the closest mechanic's garage. Right, they talk

787
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 3: the guy into fixing their broken down hippie hurts that

788
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: suck it back in the freeway or the highway rather.

789
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: The mechanic's like, okay, guys, I'll go with you. He

790
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 3: takes his truck and he drives him back out there.

791
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: Dude gets the heart running. So now what are the

792
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 3: partners in crime? Do head on to LA But they

793
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 3: don't quite make it back to LA before they get

794
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 3: into a fender bender. Oh no, they can get back

795
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: into LA traffic and they rear into car. Cops show up.

796
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 3: They survey the scene. The cops walk up to the

797
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: hearst Kaufman. He opens the door for the cops. Empty

798
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 3: beer cans spill out onto the road. The cops go, okay,

799
00:34:57,800 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 3: y'all drunk. Okay, you guys are the problem because they

800
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 3: had rear ended somebody. He knew what the score. So

801
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: who goes to check on the other driver's see if

802
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: they're injured. Right. One of the cops at that point

803
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: had already handcuffed the buddy, Michael Martin, but had not

804
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 3: handcuffed Kaufman to the driver. He just like, I don't

805
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 3: know why the cancuff the passenger. Yeah, handcuff the passenger,

806
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 3: and they had, and then they were going to check

807
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: on the injured parties, right. So the guys knew this

808
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: was their moment, They're only chance, and they decided let's

809
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: take it. So, as Coffin said, quote, well, Michael was

810
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,799
Speaker 3: a skinny little guy, so he just slipped his hand

811
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 3: out of the cuffs and we took off down the

812
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: nearest off ramp. We got back to my house. I

813
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 3: got someone to cut the handcuffs off.

814
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:33,439
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

815
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: So they took Coffin ran and made it all the

816
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: way back to Hollywood from a traffics from the traffics

817
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: off where they had gotten into an accident, and they

818
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: left the hearse behind, not their hears, mind you, Right,

819
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 3: so someone else is gonna get this and they're gonna

820
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 3: be like, hey, did you get in a car accident?

821
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: Do you let two guys steal your car? Anyway, they

822
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: make it safely back to Kaufin's house and after they

823
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 3: some sleep, they do get a copy of the day's paper,

824
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: and just as they imagine, the paper is filled with

825
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: stories of the rock stars and timely demise, but then

826
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 3: also the stories of the theft from the airport. And

827
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: now there is also a focus on this bizarre desert

828
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: cremation because the newspapers have already gotten the story out,

829
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 3: so they speculate. Could it be black magic? Was it witches? Satanists?

830
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 3: Was it some dark arts ritual to please the Satanic

831
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: Majesty's request? Because the Rolling Stones album of the same

832
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 3: name had come out one year prior, so people were

833
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 3: starting to believe that the hippies were into some weird

834
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 3: dark magic. You know, Zeppelin's about to come out and

835
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: Jimmy Page is gonna blow people's minds with his like,

836
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 3: oh you want dark arts. Yeah, I got you bo

837
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: So anyway, so it Keith Richard's a Graham Parson's friend, right.

838
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 3: He starts trying to like answer questions to the press

839
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 3: about what's going on, and he reacted to his friend's death,

840
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 3: and this also helped make it a little more weird

841
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: and sinister for the press, because you know, that's just

842
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: the problem. Anyway, several days later, Kaufman says, Graham's death

843
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: hit the headlines in the local papers rock star's body

844
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 3: burned and bizarre desert ritual. Everybody in Los Angeles knew

845
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: I did it, so it didn't take long for the

846
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 3: cops to figure it out. The cops came to my

847
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 3: house and questioned me, did you have necrophiliac sex with him?

848
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 3: Go now, let me back up, Elizabeth. I want you

849
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 3: to be able to fully inhabit this weird scene. So

850
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: at the time, Gene Hackman was at Kaufman's house. Wait, okay, yes,

851
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 3: the actor Gene Hackman, along with filmmaker Arthur Penn. They

852
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 3: were there shooting a movie, the movie Night Moves, and

853
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: Kaufman was He starts playing it up for Gene Hackman

854
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 3: and all the other Hollywood tribes right. So it's like quote,

855
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 3: as I'm being taken to the cop car, Hackman and

856
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: Pen are standing watching, and they asked Kathy, his girlfriend,

857
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 3: what was going on, And when she explained, Arthur Penn said, Jeane,

858
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 3: we're shooting the wrong movie here. Oh let's take a

859
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: little break, Elizabeth, and then you can think about Gene Hackman,

860
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 3: and I'll think about Arthur Penn. And when we come back,

861
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 3: we'll be back in two and two with more of

862
00:37:50,080 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: this wildtail. All right, Elizabeth. Okay, So now that our

863
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 3: body jackers are in police custody, things begin to go

864
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: a little more like what you would.

865
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: Expect, Okay, but not by much.

866
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:23,280
Speaker 3: So Kaufman he gets hauled into the LAPD venice station.

867
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: He's booked, he's charged. He's got a laundry list of

868
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: crimes he doesn't even understand because they can't quite figure

869
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,799
Speaker 3: out what to charge him with. So, as Kaufin told

870
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 3: the press of the time, quote, I'm charged with stealing

871
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 3: a coffin. One of the cops called it Graham theft Parsons.

872
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: He said, quote, we had the damnedest time trying to

873
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 3: figure out what to charge you with. So eventually the

874
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 3: cops and the prosecutors, they settle on some charges, and

875
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: they were able to sort it out and come up

876
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 3: with the charges of basically theft. Right, this doesn't take

877
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: a whole long time. So Kaufman is home back home

878
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: within hours.

879
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: So isn't there like the unlawful disposal of a body charge.

880
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 3: That's later that came later, that did not apparently exist

881
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 3: at this time. Really okay, and I did not find

882
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: that he was the reason for that long but.

883
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: Interesting.

884
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: He's gone for a little while. He gets back to

885
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: his house and he says, quote, I was only gone

886
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: about three hours. I went right back to the house,

887
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 3: and the movie crew cheered when I walked in. Oh God,

888
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: guess this hero's welcome. Now. You may be wondering a

889
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: bit about this cat Kaufman, like, what kind of dude

890
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: is this? He's a tour manager, and this question, Elizabeth,

891
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: exactly you know, is his a Siamese? What is this

892
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 3: dude story? What's his breed? Well, this dude, I'll just

893
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 3: tell you. I'll cut right to the chase. He's not

894
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 3: quite right, yeah right, yeah, no. Elizabeth rolling Stone reported

895
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventy three, when this crime was fresh,

896
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 3: that this is the magazine of the countercultures. They were

897
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 3: like leaping to be judgmental this type of guy, right.

898
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 3: They attempted to provide some missing context for this band

899
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,879
Speaker 3: manager who was willing to go the extra mile, they said.

900
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: Quote Kaufman's arrest is not his first. Several years ago,

901
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: he was imprisoned on drug charges at Terminal Island Federal

902
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 3: Correctional Institute in San Pedro, California. Another prisoner at the

903
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 3: time was Charles Manson. Upon his release, Kaufman lived with

904
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 3: Manson and his followers for two months. What so not

905
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 3: only was prison with Charles Manson, He hung out with

906
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 3: Charles Manson. He befriended Charles Manson. He thought Charles Manson

907
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: was a musical genius, and he wanted to go into

908
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: business with Charles Manson. As Rolling Stone further reported, quote

909
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 3: a believer in Manson's music, Kaufman formed his own company

910
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 3: and produced Manson's album Live after being turned down at

911
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: major record companies.

912
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: Wasn't it also Dennis Wilson from the Beach?

913
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 3: Yes, Brian Wilson, Brian and right Dennis, He went and

914
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 3: he hung out Brian Wilson's house.

915
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: Yes, where it was was all in with Manson.

916
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. He was apparently like a fringe for a

917
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,439
Speaker 3: lot of that, uh you know that whole scene that

918
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 3: that la quasi hippie rock syne.

919
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, they all like spooky little dude.

920
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,799
Speaker 3: Apparently charismatic guy. So if that doesn't answer most, if

921
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 3: not all, of your questions, that's all I got for

922
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: you about Coffin. Okay, buddy of Charles Manson thinks he's

923
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 3: a musical genius, willing to direct. Yeah, so, dude, so

924
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: other than being a Charles Manson groupie and wanting to

925
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: be his manager. Quote this cat Kaufman, he was a

926
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:07,839
Speaker 3: He's riding on a different plane the rest of us.

927
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 3: So anyway, my point is he and co defendant Martin

928
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: appeared in court on November fifth, nineteen seventy three, and

929
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 3: they were stoked because it would have been Grandpar's twenty

930
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 3: seventh birthday.

931
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 2: Oh he probably would have liked that.

932
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, Elizabeth, if you were a judge in nineteen

933
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 3: seventy three, and these two bird branded hippie rockers, yes

934
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: from the Laurel Canyon scene, come into your courtroom and

935
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: you read their file and it says they stole their

936
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 3: friend from the airport, they drove them to a national

937
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: park where they proceeded to set their friend's casket of

938
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: blaze and then left the charred casket there still burning

939
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 3: in the national forest, when they then sped home drunk

940
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 3: driving and getting into a multi car pile up on

941
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 3: the freeway and where they then fled the scene in

942
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 3: a true hit and run escape. What sort of sentence

943
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 3: are you giving them?

944
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 2: Well, I'm wondering. I mean, because they did it in

945
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: the national park? Are there federal charges?

946
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 3: Does it?

947
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 2: If you do something like that in the federal.

948
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: Candy, they can throw federal charges. In this case, they

949
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: did not.

950
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. What do I sentence them to

951
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: smack their skulls together.

952
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: Like a rock pile?

953
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: I don't know.

954
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: I got bad news for Elizabeth. It was not justice

955
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 3: that was rendered that day because in California at the time,

956
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,879
Speaker 3: there was no law that a man couldn't steal his

957
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: friend's dead body and drive out to the desert. So

958
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 3: that part they were good because the corpse has no

959
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: intrinsic value, so therefore you can only steal what has

960
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 3: value under the law, So they did have no value.

961
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: The sea at the time. At the time otherwise, I

962
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,919
Speaker 3: think it falls under the old finders keeper's rule of law.

963
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 3: I think that's where it is. It's like, okay, so

964
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: you're underneath common law. You're down to finders keepers. Anyway,

965
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 3: when all was said and done, the judge found that

966
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: they could only charge them with these body jacking country

967
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: rockers with theft of a casket. So since they never

968
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: fest up to the freeway pile up, they couldn't get

969
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 3: them on that, and they had successfully fled that. So

970
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: after their day in court, the two were ordered to

971
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 3: pay thirteen hundred dollars for the stolen casket and a

972
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: three hundred dollar fine.

973
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 2: Wow.

974
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 3: So they decided, let's raise some money because we got

975
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 3: to pay for this casket. So they had a held

976
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 3: a benefit party. The party was built as Kaufman's coffin

977
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: caper concert o case. Thankfully there was four of them.

978
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 3: I counted them, but I was writing it. DJ for

979
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: the event was a young doctor demento.

980
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, hold on, I need to.

981
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 3: Okay, lastly, my last for you. It's a few years

982
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: down the road. Kaufman ran into an old friend of

983
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: Graham Parson's, and the friend had heard about the whole

984
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 3: body theft in and then the Hurts ride to the desert,

985
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: the amateur cremation, the court case heard all about it, right.

986
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: The friend let Kaufman know, despite it all, he greatly

987
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 3: appreciated what they'd done. Keith Richards told him you took care.

988
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 2: Of on pow.

989
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 3: That's all he said. That was Keith's way of saying

990
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 3: thank you. Well, there you go, Elizabeth. What's our ridiculous takeaway?

991
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,240
Speaker 2: Don't do drugs?

992
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 3: Don't drugs? Was takeaways. Don't do the drugs that Keith

993
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 3: Richards tells you not to do. He says, hey, don't

994
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 3: do that. Don't do that. Yeah, if yeah, these are

995
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: my rules. Like Dana Jones do it? Do it with

996
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 3: Keith Richards do it? Maybe do it? Keith Richard says,

997
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: don't do it. Definitely don't do it. There you go.

998
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: That's my goodaway.

999
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for asking.

1000
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 2: Of course.

1001
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,320
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