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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot com. I'm John Schmilkie's Lance Meado

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Speaker 1: the film number two on five on three, Happy Friday,

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Speaker 1: everybody who are here talking to some Giants football with you.

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Speaker 1: Mandatory Mini Camp, the final stage of the off season program,

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Speaker 1: begins next Tuesday. All the O t a s are

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Speaker 1: in the book will take your crawls on that preview

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Speaker 1: mini camp, and we have a little article on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com that will dive into as well, just to

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of fun and go around the

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Speaker 1: league and talk some NFL football lands. How are you.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. How it takes with you? Everything

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Speaker 1: is wonderful, Thank you. So as we move forward here,

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Speaker 1: I think it's kind of important, um to take a

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Speaker 1: look at what we know about this Giants team from

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Speaker 1: O t a S will get Mini camp next week.

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Speaker 1: The only real difference between the two things is that

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Speaker 1: Mini camp is mandatory, which isn't really gonna be a

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Speaker 1: big deal for the Giants because most everyone has been

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Speaker 1: here participating anyway, so it's really just a three day

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Speaker 1: continuation of what they've been doing in O t as.

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Speaker 1: There's still no pads, there's still no contact. So what

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Speaker 1: more are you looking for from this group when otis

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Speaker 1: begin next week? Uh, Medicamp begins that week. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think you hit and running the nose, John, You're

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Speaker 1: looking for that continuity to continue to carry out Because

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Speaker 1: to your point, I think attendance has been very well,

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Speaker 1: especially compared to some of the other storylines and narratives

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Speaker 1: we've seen across the league, where you know Tom Brady

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Speaker 1: has missed some time for personal reasons whatever, maybe yeah,

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Speaker 1: all those guys, whereas the Giants for the most part,

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Speaker 1: have had the nucleus, the core of their team on

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Speaker 1: hand for all of these workouts, So you want to

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Speaker 1: see them finished strong because remember then they're gonna have

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Speaker 1: about a month off before for training camp, so even longer,

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Speaker 1: so you want to finish on a strong note, just

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Speaker 1: like Pat Shermer wanted Oldrick Rosas to make the last

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Speaker 1: field goal as opposed to a basketball player where you

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Speaker 1: don't want him to miss the final jump shot as

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Speaker 1: practice wraps up. So I mean that to me is

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Speaker 1: extremely important. You know, you're not gonna tell much because

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Speaker 1: of the offensive line and the defensive line and the

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Speaker 1: lack of physicality and the trenches. But I think this

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Speaker 1: is gonna give perhaps the quarterbacks an opportunity and continue

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Speaker 1: to gain more rhythm and chemistry with the receiving corps,

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Speaker 1: and an opportunity for to me, I watched the players

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Speaker 1: John that are on all likelihood going to have an

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Speaker 1: opportunity to really compete for roster spots come training camp.

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Speaker 1: You know, this, to me is an opportunity for you

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Speaker 1: to lay the blueprint to say, hey, you know this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be the tone that I'm going to look

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Speaker 1: to continue to set in training camp. And I mean business.

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Speaker 1: So the third the fourth wide receiver, whoever is gonna

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Speaker 1: guys I think you want to see jump out a

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Speaker 1: little bit more in this three day mandatory mediicamp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean Hunter Sharp. Those are two of the guys

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Speaker 1: Roger Lewis into that makes two if you want um. Again,

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Speaker 1: we can't see much because it pass, but I think

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Speaker 1: the Brett Jones John how appeal matchup at center is interesting.

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Speaker 1: I want to see how the backup offensive line does

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Speaker 1: and again, you're not gonna see a lot because there's

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna be the tight end next to Landon Collins,

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Speaker 1: if they carry for um? How's b J. Goodson doing

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Speaker 1: of the practice rules. But I think those are the

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Speaker 1: You know, how much progress is Davis Webb made again,

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Speaker 1: of course, uh to take away from practice, you kind

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Speaker 1: how much more we're gonna learn from these three days,

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Speaker 1: but it'll be fun to have on the field because

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Speaker 1: So it's not as we'll get the fun now. And

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Speaker 1: I promise you Datina will be absolutely inconsolable next Thursday

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Speaker 1: afternoon when all this is over. For say, he's already

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Speaker 1: going through the mental reps to prepare himself for the

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Speaker 1: six week droft. You know you had a slippage of

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Speaker 1: all fairness, John to watch the top two guys well,

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Speaker 1: And let me throw one other thing out there. I know,

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Speaker 1: You know, not that the coaches have a laundry list

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily gonna help Odell Beckham in

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Speaker 1: Kyle Loletta because they're gonna be out there with some

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Speaker 1: We have at least one week off the fourth of July.

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Speaker 1: lot of Lance Medal, Paul to Tino and Jeff Eagles

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Speaker 1: Now we kind of want to hit today and by

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Speaker 1: the way, wide open phones today, folks four, five, one, three.

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Speaker 1: Anything you want to talk about touch on, we can

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Speaker 1: right here on giants dot com. H gil Brandt had

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Speaker 1: an article and he listed what he thinks are the

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Speaker 1: I mean last year wasn't a full season and he

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Speaker 1: was in and out of the life. So you literally

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Speaker 1: have one season for Sterling you think is gonna get

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Speaker 1: worse after. But my point is I could say Mark's

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Speaker 1: Lee is going to continue to improve too, is my point. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he might improve a little bit, but you have a

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Speaker 1: much larger sample size of Nolan Marquis Lee is than

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Speaker 1: I mean, I still think markas Lee over the course

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Speaker 1: of his career has been banged up. He's an average

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Speaker 1: wide receiver well, but no metric that said tells you otherwise.

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Speaker 1: But my point is, if if I look at the

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Speaker 1: Jaguars talent, I think that they can be a productive

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Speaker 1: receiving corps this year. That's that's what gil Brand is

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Speaker 1: going based on talent. They on paper average paper. I

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Speaker 1: like what I see with Jacksonville. I think they could.

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Speaker 1: I think they could. I think they could be much

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Speaker 1: better than seventeenth heading into this season. Jacksonville, I don't

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Speaker 1: think that's asking for much, especially with D. D. Westbrook

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Speaker 1: is young. Mark Easley I still consider young. So those

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Speaker 1: two guys I could consider taking the next step. Austin

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Speaker 1: Seferian Jenkins is a good tight end. I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's crazy and with a good running game to think that.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Jacksoni's gonna be a top five offensive

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Speaker 1: the league? I don't. I think they are. They're gonna

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Speaker 1: be the top rushing attack and they're gonna be a

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Speaker 1: top It means they're gonna be a top five seven

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Speaker 1: if they were seventeenth last year. Can they make the

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Speaker 1: jump to twelve or thirteen this year, right outside the

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Speaker 1: top ten? I think that's doable. If they do, they'll

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Speaker 1: probably win the Super Bowl. No. No No, if you if

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Speaker 1: you're the top rushing attack in the league offense and

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Speaker 1: the top three defense, you are probably going to be

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Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. I listen, nothing's guaranteed. And then

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Speaker 1: I should have to say, but you are a super

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Speaker 1: Bowl and they are. They should be. A Jaguars should

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Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl, and they should be. If you

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Speaker 1: ask me in the a f C who should be

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Speaker 1: a favorite for the Super Bowl, you would to put

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars in that conversation. I think they're one of

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Speaker 1: the teams to consider. Yeah, so I don't think it's

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Speaker 1: crazy to think they're a super Bowl favorite within the

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Speaker 1: likes of New England and you know some of the

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Speaker 1: other top teams in the a f C. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're we're talking about team that made the a f

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Speaker 1: C Championship game, right, But they did it on the

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Speaker 1: back to their defense more than the running game, more

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Speaker 1: than in the passing year they did. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: they put up a lot of points. The last time

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Speaker 1: I checked against Pittsburgh. You know, they were able to

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Speaker 1: score consistent even New England. They were able to find

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Speaker 1: the end zone early in that game. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's not as if this team is incapable. I think

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Speaker 1: once again, we get we get too caught up in

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Speaker 1: Blake Bortles is not a good quarterback compared to Drew Brees,

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Speaker 1: so they have for the Jaguars can't score Portals under

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Speaker 1: the circumstances of what he was asked to do. I

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Speaker 1: think portals was more than suitable for that offense and

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Speaker 1: to ask him to now take the next step with

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Speaker 1: a healthy receiving corps, I don't think it's crazy to

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Speaker 1: think they go from seventeenth to like I said, twelveth

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Speaker 1: or eleventh this year. I could definitely see that jump

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Speaker 1: because are they gonna have the same exact receiving corps

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Speaker 1: last year that they had this year this that they

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Speaker 1: had last Well? D d. Westbrook did not play until

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Speaker 1: the second half of the season because he came in

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Speaker 1: and get got more and more playing time as guys

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Speaker 1: got hurt. But but the guys that got hurt last year,

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Speaker 1: Allen Robinson and Alan and Alan hurt Her was there

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the season. But my point is

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Speaker 1: that the guys that got hurt there, so the guys

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Speaker 1: that get more playing are the guys that he's going

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Speaker 1: to have this year, correct, which means that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: get even more playing time, and that means Bordles is

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Speaker 1: gonna have more time on the field with them to

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Speaker 1: build chemistry. That that's why I think it's fair to

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Speaker 1: say there's a little bit more encouragement that they could

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Speaker 1: take the next step because you're not bringing back Robinson,

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Speaker 1: you're not bringing back her, and you're telling Bordles what

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Speaker 1: you did with Lee, what you did with Westbrook, and

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Speaker 1: now they're adding some other younger guys that hey, through

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Speaker 1: training camp, through what you did late last season. Now

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Speaker 1: you're gonna continue with the same guys. We're not now

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Speaker 1: throwing in new talent. That that that that I think

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Speaker 1: is better for him as opposed to, for example, with Eli,

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Speaker 1: Eli's working with Cody Latimer and he's working with Sterling Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: and then Beck is now going to be thrown back in.

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Speaker 1: So I would say it's a little bit different under

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Speaker 1: those circumstances. Fair enough, all right, if you aays talked

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Speaker 1: about that, anything else, you can let's start on the

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Speaker 1: phone to two one five, one three. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: Ian and Sara Sota. He'll lead us off. Hey and

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Speaker 1: what's up? Hey, guys? How you doing? What's up? Being

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Speaker 1: all right? I got a question for you and I

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Speaker 1: want you to to kind of to think about it before

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Speaker 1: you kind of just think of the obvious reasons for it. Um,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about our our losses last year of the

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Speaker 1: people either through free agency or who the who we've

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Speaker 1: just let go. And you look at the list of

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Speaker 1: you know, P and Richberg and D R C and

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Speaker 1: J P. P Knard, Bromley and the like. I was

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Speaker 1: just thinking that, you know, on the surface, it looks

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Speaker 1: and seems like a financial or injury reasons, But you know,

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Speaker 1: do you think it's deeper than that? Do you think, um,

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Speaker 1: and what lots of these guys, well, do you think

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Speaker 1: that because they talked about changing the culture, changing the

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Speaker 1: locker room, do you think that any of these guys

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Speaker 1: could have been locker room problems? I think that was

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Speaker 1: definitely taking in consideration when making some of the moves.

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Speaker 1: I don't think justin p was a locker room issue

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Speaker 1: by any means. Um, just for one guy could have

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Speaker 1: been a factor and some of the other guys what

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Speaker 1: happened with d RC last year, maybe, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: that's all possible. So I think some of that is

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Speaker 1: certainly something that gentleman look looked at when he made

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Speaker 1: the considerations on some of those veteran guys that he

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Speaker 1: did want to remake the locker room me and I

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Speaker 1: think that certainly was a factor. I agree with you, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean because on a surface, you would think that

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Speaker 1: if you look at that list of those players, those

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Speaker 1: are some of our better players. Like if you said

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Speaker 1: who's our top two offensive lineman last year, everyone which

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Speaker 1: would have said rich Berg and Pew I personally went

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Speaker 1: on and said rich Burg, I would have said Pew okay,

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Speaker 1: so and for both of them to be gone, And

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Speaker 1: then you think of the JPP trade. Now I understand

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Speaker 1: the whole financial thing, and you know, and that's why

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Speaker 1: I say, kind of looked a little beyond the injury

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Speaker 1: and the financial reasons. But it's just kind of funny

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Speaker 1: that some of our better players, all of them, are

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Speaker 1: not there. Now. Don't get me wrong, I love all

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Speaker 1: of all of the moves. I see the the benefit

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Speaker 1: to that, you know, with the changing of the culture.

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Speaker 1: But you know, not to keep any of them is

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting though well. I think personally, I think

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Speaker 1: you have to take each individual decision on its own

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Speaker 1: merit um. The Pew and rich Burke two things. To me,

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Speaker 1: We're primarily financial. Um. The Giants did not have the

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Speaker 1: money to spend on those two guys if they were

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Speaker 1: going to, say somebody like Nate Solder who plays a

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Speaker 1: more premium position of left tackle, and they have to

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Speaker 1: resign guys like Landon Collins and Odell Beckham Jr. Down

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Speaker 1: the road Um d r C was also a financial thing.

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Speaker 1: And I think his locker room issues last year. I'll

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Speaker 1: throw that into the mix there too. As your j

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Speaker 1: P p UM, I would not be surprised if some

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Speaker 1: locker room stuff came in there. But I also believe

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Speaker 1: that was largely a future financial decision for the same

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Speaker 1: reason they didn't want to sign Pew and rich Bark

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Speaker 1: because you have to make sure you save money down

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Speaker 1: the road Lands to have the room necessary to sign

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Speaker 1: Collins and signed Beckham the long term deals. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think it was motivated by finances. I think it was

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Speaker 1: also motivated by you know, they also looked at some

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Speaker 1: of these guys who have been on the roster for

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Speaker 1: quite some time, and it's not as if the Giants

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Speaker 1: have had a great deal of making the playoffs and

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Speaker 1: then postseason success. So you know, you can't just keep

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Speaker 1: names for the sake of names. I mean, we were

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Speaker 1: just talking about that with respect to that Gil Brand article.

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Speaker 1: It's not about names only. It's about production and whether

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Speaker 1: or not those guys are living up to what you

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Speaker 1: expect you're going to get out of them. So I

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Speaker 1: think both of those factors played a role as to

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Speaker 1: why the Giants decided to move on from them. And

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Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, with the JPP circumstance,

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Speaker 1: it was a trade, and Dave Gettleman was probably also

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Speaker 1: saying to himself, if I could turn a veteran who,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how much more he's gonna have in

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Speaker 1: the tank. And I also take into consideration his injury

596
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: history into valuable younger assets that's gonna help my team

597
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Speaker 1: in the long run as opposed to what's just gonna

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Speaker 1: help my team for the next year or two. That

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Speaker 1: I think was also part of the mindset. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I agree. I mean, it's just like I said on

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Speaker 1: the surface. It looks obviously the obvious, but it's just

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Speaker 1: kind of funny that none of them are here. But

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Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, I love all the moves. I

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Speaker 1: see all of the reasons why with JPP making about

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Speaker 1: fifteen million plus a year and uh in the new

606
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Speaker 1: defense and all those things. But don't get wrong, I

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Speaker 1: love all the moves. But I I feel like some

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Speaker 1: of this had to do with more of the locker

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Speaker 1: room as well. And I appreciate you guys think of

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Speaker 1: my calls. Yeah, And I think that's fair, and I

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Speaker 1: do think that's something that people overlook, um when they

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Speaker 1: take a look at the team. But you know, when

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Speaker 1: it comes to Jason Pierre Paul, we had a call

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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago and I kind of mentioned this.

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Speaker 1: They are taken. They are going to take a short

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Speaker 1: term hit for letting him walk away. Um. I mentioned

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Speaker 1: this number yesterday after Olivier Verdon. The Giant player with

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Speaker 1: the highest single season sack total on the entire rosters

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Speaker 1: Landon Collins with four. No other Giant has had more

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Speaker 1: than three sacks in a single season. In fact, it

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Speaker 1: might even be two when I go When I went back,

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Speaker 1: I think Oguchi might have had two in one year,

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Speaker 1: but no other Giant player has had more than three

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Speaker 1: sacks in a single season besides Olivier Vernon and Landon Collins.

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Speaker 1: So they are going to take a hit in terms

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Speaker 1: of pass rush for this year unless a rookie lug

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Speaker 1: Lorenzo Carter or a newcomer like crem Martin can stept

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Speaker 1: their game up and be that complimentary piece to Vernon

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Speaker 1: rushing outside. Colins had four two years ago when he

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Speaker 1: was in the Defensive Player of the Year mix. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that was the second highest total behind Vernon. Vernon

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Speaker 1: has not hit double digit sacks in a few years

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Speaker 1: to second year of his career or two thousand with

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Speaker 1: the Dolphins, I think it was. I want to say,

635
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Speaker 1: was one of those two years where he had double

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Speaker 1: digit sacks. Actually I got Vernon's page right here was

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Speaker 1: the second year and the second mistaken Vernon in two

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Speaker 1: thousand eleven and a half. Yeah, so then since then

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Speaker 1: he's had single digits. And you know, that's a guy

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Speaker 1: that you're hoping takes the role of Chandler Jones in

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Speaker 1: this defense, which is how Betcher used Jones in Arizona.

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00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: And you know he had seventeen sacks. I think that

643
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: may be asking for a lot, considering Vernon had seven

644
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: last year. Now you on him taking ten more sacks.

645
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: But is it crazy to saying that maybe Vernon he

646
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: got to nine and a half. I don't think that's crazy.

647
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: But you know, even if you improve Vernon's numbers a little,

648
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: you're still hoping that you get more production out of

649
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: some other guys and they elevate their play. I still

650
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: think that when I look at Betcher's defense and I

651
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: listen to what some of the players are saying about

652
00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: how aggressive this could be and how everybody can make plays,

653
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm expecting it to be more of a spreading of

654
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: the wealth. John, when you look at the sack totals,

655
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm not a believer that this is going to be

656
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: a team where Vernon's got fourteen and then the next

657
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: closest guy has, you know, seven, half of that, because

658
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,239
Speaker 1: there have been years in Arizona when he was there,

659
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: where there was a huge disparity where you had like

660
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: one guy in double digits and then the next closest

661
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: guy had like five or six. Well, I'm gonna bring

662
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: up last year. I looked at this from my stats yesterday.

663
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Last year, Chandler Jones at seventeen sacks? How many you

664
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 1: think the second highest player has. I think, if I'm correct,

665
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: they had one other guy that had twelve maybe, and

666
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: then everybody else was in single digits too. Years ago,

667
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden had twice. Years ago Latin, I think Clais

668
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: Campbell had eight. But last year, after Chandler Jones is seventeen,

669
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: the immortal Olson Pierre had five and a half, and

670
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: then after that only one player had two or more sacks.

671
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: A son ready to get two and a half. So

672
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: it wasn't exactly spread out, and there wasn't exactly a

673
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: lot of scheme produced sacks. Now, there were a bunch

674
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: of guys with one sack. Dansby had a sack, Matthew

675
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: had a sack, Buchanan had a sack, Budda Baker had

676
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: a sack. But they had and when I say a sack,

677
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean a single sack. Josh Binds had a sack,

678
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: Frosty Rucker had one and a half, Kreim Martin had one,

679
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: Corey Peters had one, Josh Morrow had one, Rodney Gunter

680
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: had one, Marcus Golden had a half. Rather Zavier Williams

681
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: had a half, So after you got past that seventeen

682
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: and now he also had his blitz trate was down

683
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: last year as opposed to prior years because Chandler Jones

684
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: is so freaking good, but it wasn't exactly spread out

685
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, well that's why. The reason why I

686
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,479
Speaker 1: have faith that the Giants would be a little bit

687
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: more spread out is because, you know what we were

688
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: just discussing, John, I don't think Vernon is getting what

689
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: Chandler Jones is getting. So that's another reason why the

690
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 1: disparity was so big. You're talking about a guy that

691
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: had seventeen sacks, whereas Vernon we talked about, had seven

692
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: last year. So you know Vernon's nine and a half,

693
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: which I threw out. Then I don't think you're gonna

694
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: see such a crazy disparity if the next guy, let's say,

695
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: gets even, If he gets six and then another guy

696
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: gets four, or you have three or four guys that

697
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: have four, I'm expecting things to be grouped together, but

698
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: spread across the board. I'd be very surprised. And listen,

699
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: it would be a pleasant surprise if somebody on this

700
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 1: team put together a Chandler Jones X season, be very

701
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: surprised if that happens this year to A one nine

702
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: three nine four or five one three. Let's go back

703
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 1: to the phones. We have some of the lines, folks.

704
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 1: You want to get in, so this is your time.

705
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: Fridays usually little bit slow in the summer. People take

706
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: their summer Friday, so they're kind of running around. So

707
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: if you want to get in, time is now. I

708
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: got a oh boy feeling about this, so he always

709
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 1: has time on his hands. He wants to spend time jokes.

710
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: I am happy. Hello, chuckles. Hey John hay Lands. You guys,

711
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: you guys like the Pickerson's and I can't believe you're

712
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: pickering about well because why because you'd rather as bicker

713
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: about the Giants offensive line. It's just not a subject

714
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: that appeases you. That's the only reason why you bring

715
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: this up. Let's face it, that's true. Hey, you guys

716
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: are talking about facts, right. Well, maybe we're not going

717
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: to get as many facts as say, the Cardinals got

718
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: last year, but maybe we're going to get more interceptions

719
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: this year because of his scheme and his system. I

720
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: think more, you know, we're gonna get more interceptions by

721
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: the linebackers, and maybe more interceptions by our cornerbacks. That's

722
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: where we're going to get a lot of that. How

723
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: many turnovers that we need? How many receptions do you

724
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals had last year? Probably? Uh, not many

725
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: because they were getting facts. They had fifteen interceptions, which

726
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: is actually not bad. It's not bad at all. They

727
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: had just under forty sacks. They had thirty seven receptions

728
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: that we have last year five in comparison. Let's see

729
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: the Giants on defense in comparison to those two numbers

730
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: as I bring them up. So thirty seven and fifteen

731
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: right now is the barometer. Last year the Giants in

732
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: terms of total sacks had twenty seven, so they had

733
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: ten less than the Cardinals. And interception tally was thirteen,

734
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: so they were two behind the Cardinals and interceptions ten

735
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: in sacks. Yeah, well, you know, I think we're gonna

736
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: do I don't think we're gonna go crazy with the facts,

737
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna do better than we did

738
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: last year. For God's sakes. Well, what do you think?

739
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: I mean, what what do you so? You think they're

740
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: gonna get up to thirty? But I mean, I think

741
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: if you're the Giants. You look at Arizona thirty seven,

742
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: you were twenty seven. I think you're hoping for a

743
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: little bit more than thirty. I think you'd like to

744
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: get more into that thirty two barometer. I think a

745
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: successful season, Charlie would be averaging more than two sacks

746
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: of games. So if you can get yourself up the

747
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: thirty five or so, I think that would be a success.

748
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: And the thing is, if you're getting pressures and you're

749
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: getting Harry's and you're getting hit, of course, that's gonna

750
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: cause more possibilities for interceptions. And I just think the

751
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: way he schemes it, I think our linebackers or d

752
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: ns are gonna be in position to knock some balls down,

753
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: deflect some balls, and I think we're gonna end up

754
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: with a lot more interceptions this year than than we've

755
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: had in the past. Well, also, Charlie, you throw this

756
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: out there too. Your dbs are gonna have to catch

757
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: some football. So we saw way too many situations last

758
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: year with the balls hitting these guys in the hands

759
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: and they can't catch the damn ball. So that that's

760
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: going to have to get better. Yeah, that that is

761
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: for sure. And hopefully Apple will be able to turn

762
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,800
Speaker 1: his head around finally and and make some plays on ball.

763
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: So but think you know, Gay is a guy who

764
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: definitely can you know, do interceptions. I mean, he's got hands.

765
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what his career total is, but I

766
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: think he's done pretty well with interceptions. Um So, I

767
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: think he's going to help. And um so, I just

768
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: think we're going to have more put it this way,

769
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna have more takeaways this year than we did

770
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: last year, um with fumbles and exceptions. And I call

771
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: facts kind of like a takeaway because you're kind of,

772
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, putting them behind the eight ball. Um yeah, yeah,

773
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: losses and so so you know, I think that's going

774
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: to be pretty exciting. And then the other thing I

775
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,359
Speaker 1: was gonna say, why do we have in this mini camp?

776
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: If this mini camps the same thing as O t as,

777
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: why bother because it mandatory every tea? Yeah, I know,

778
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: but why can't they just do a little hitting on

779
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: the mini camp or or at least do something different

780
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 1: than the O t A. That's what I don't get

781
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: because the CVA rules on allow it. I mean you

782
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: got to ask the players that and the owners who

783
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: ticked down and trust me, Pat Charmer and Jim Betcher

784
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: and Mike Schuler nothing more than to put these guys

785
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: in pads for three days and actually play some real football.

786
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: They're not allowed to. It's just so funny that they

787
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: have like nine or ten or whatever it is, voluntary

788
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 1: voluntary o t s, but then they have like what

789
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: three days of mandatory. It should be kind of like

790
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: the other way around. Think talk to the Players Association

791
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: about that. I mean that that's the c b A yeah,

792
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,960
Speaker 1: I mean, any questions he got to go to the

793
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: lawyers who were sitting at the round table, and you

794
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: know how they went, lad, you know how it went

795
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: back in what was eleven when they when they negotiated

796
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: the CBIA, the owners ended up getting more money and

797
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the players that end up getting less practice time, and

798
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: that was the trade off. My guess is that whenever

799
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: the CBA gets redone, we're gonna have a little bit

800
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 1: of a reversal on that. But we'll see, yeah, and

801
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: hopefully they will. You know, I think what they should

802
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: do is go to guarantee contracts, and I think that's

803
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: as should demand that you the only professional sport that

804
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: doesn't have it. Charlie and I will tell you something,

805
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: and if the players demand guaranteed contracts, that will not

806
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,280
Speaker 1: be an NFL football season played the year the CBA

807
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: runs out, Well, then that's what they should do. And

808
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: there by the way, but you a minute, Charlie, they

809
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: are never going to do it because the players will

810
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: not survive that long because they can't deal with it

811
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: financial and Charlie can't survive an entire year without talking

812
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: about an offensive line. So it doesn't end up if

813
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: that happens, right, Well, listen, Charlie, I think it's wishful

814
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 1: thinking on your front. You also need to take a consideration.

815
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: The NFL as the highest injury rate, So you're asking

816
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: for a sport to adopt guaranteed contracts in a league

817
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: where it's pretty much guaranteed you're not going to have

818
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: the player for all sixteen games. So yeah, But the

819
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: thing is, you could just have shorter contracts, so instead

820
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: of having like five six year contracts, you go two

821
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: to three year contracts, but the money is guaranteed. You know.

822
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: I think that would yeah, But but the player, the

823
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 1: players counter to that would be, now you are shrinking

824
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: the market if you're limiting the amount of years I

825
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: can get on a contract now the level of competition

826
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: has faded, because then you'd rather go to the next

827
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: team and say, well, hey, they're offering me three years

828
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: in thirty million guaranteed, and this team could very well

829
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 1: give me four years and so forth, and now you're

830
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: telling them they can't offer here's the trick. You just said,

831
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: have shorter contracts. If you're a player, right, would it

832
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: would you rather, in your version of what's going to happen,

833
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: sign a three year, forty five million dollar contract that's

834
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: all guaranteed. Would you rather sign a five year, seventy

835
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: five million dollar contract with fifty million guaranteed? No, I'd

836
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 1: rather signe a three year because it's crazy. What they

837
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: do as a players is they cut them. They always

838
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: cut them that last one or two years because there's

839
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: no more guaranteed money. First of all, that doesn't happen

840
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: all the time. If you're a really good player, number one,

841
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: number two, you just you just passed the more guaranteed

842
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: money in my situation than you did in the other situation.

843
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: You get fifty million in your situation and then what

844
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: in the previous situation. So yeah, but you know that

845
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna play three years, you know you're

846
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: gonna get Look at d RC. If his money was guaranteed,

847
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,399
Speaker 1: if he had a three year contract that was guaranteed,

848
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,439
Speaker 1: you know, he wouldn't be walking the streets right now,

849
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: you know, you know, maybe he contract. That's what he

850
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't have gotten a five year, fully guaranteed contract when

851
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: he was a free agent last time. If you had

852
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: to give a fully guaranteed contract, you never would have

853
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: gotten that. Yeah, that's why I would have given him

854
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: three I think players would rather have guaranteed money, even

855
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: if it's three years. That to me, then they know

856
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: I'm getting that money. I've got three years and that's

857
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 1: my money. You're virtually getting that now. Anyway, the way

858
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: these contracts are are set up with the backloaded money

859
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: and signing bonus. If you signed somebody to a really

860
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: big five year, hundred million dollar contract, you can't cut

861
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: them earlier than the thirty year, but you're gonna take

862
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: like a thirty million dollar cap hit and more than

863
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 1: half the contract these days, it ends up being fully

864
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: guaranteed anyway, so you're basically getting you're fully guaranteed three years,

865
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,719
Speaker 1: and then you're basically getting if you play well enough,

866
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 1: you'll also get the final two years of your contract.

867
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,320
Speaker 1: In your version of this game, you're only getting three years.

868
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: And then what happens if you get injured in your

869
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: number three your Yeah, well, if you're going to get

870
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 1: injured anyway, your value is going to go down. It's

871
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: for example, next year, Snacks. Snack is making a lot

872
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: of money. Right, so right now he's got he's got

873
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: some money that's guaranteed I think this year. But next year,

874
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna have any guaranteed money. They've

875
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: already replaced him by signing Hill and Macintosh or whatever

876
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: his name Isn't that right? He got one, right? Yeah,

877
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: But and so you know he he's gonna be gone

878
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 1: next year because he's got no more guarantee money last

879
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: and they gotta cut him even though he had like

880
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: fifty million dollar you know contract, you're assuming, you're assuming

881
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: he would have gotten a fully guarantee five year, fifty

882
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: million dollar contract if that's what NFL teams had to give.

883
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: There's no guarantee he would have gotten that if all

884
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: the money was going to have to be guaranteed. Number

885
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: one and number two, if Snacks Harrison is an All

886
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: Pro this year, is the best run stopping defensive tackle

887
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: in football, and the Giants win the NFC East. There's

888
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: no guarantee that he's not on the roster. I think

889
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: you're being a little little, you know, making too many

890
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: assumptions there too. Yeah, but I just think you watched

891
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: the way they use snacks this year. He'll be in

892
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: for the first down, maybe second down, and he's going

893
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: to be out. Well, that's what he was last year

894
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: two in the year before. Was difference? Was it much

895
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: of a difference around spags? And don't know he They

896
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: at least had him in for two two snaps first

897
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: and second down. But now wait, so you only think

898
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: he's gonna be used on first down this year? That's

899
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: what your case said. I think, Charlie. I I don't

900
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: think they're taking him off the field consistently, and come on,

901
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's ridicous. Great player, Charlie. We'll see if

902
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: I'm We'll see if I'm right or wrong. But what

903
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna what I'm saying is is like even Jenkins

904
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: coming up right, he's got some guaranteed money this year.

905
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 1: Next year, you're not gonna have any guaranteed money, and

906
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: they're going to either restructure his contract, they'll let him

907
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,720
Speaker 1: want because because but but every player is in that boat, Charlie.

908
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: I think you're picking at juicing giants guaranteed. No, but

909
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: Charlie put these players in this in this situation. Here's

910
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: the problem. You're gonna have to replace to north Jeniens.

911
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: In order to replace the North Jeniens, you're gonna have

912
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: to spend the same amount of money that he's owed

913
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: on his contract anyway, So then why would you cut

914
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,120
Speaker 1: him if he's still playing at a high level. Yeah,

915
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: but the thing is, we did it with DRC. Charlie.

916
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: Did you think if you think Domini Rodgers Commardi has

917
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: plays at the same levels gen Noris Jenkins, You're out

918
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: of your damn mind. I'm not saying as Jenkins, but

919
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: he was playing at a high level for a slot receiver.

920
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: And the people that we've brought in are not as

921
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: good as he was, and we're paying them like caff

922
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: the amount of money. Yeah. Well, but but but you

923
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: you just laid out the reason why they decided to

924
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: move on from d r C. In order to replace

925
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: the Noris Jenkins, they're gonna have to spend the same

926
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: amount of money and plus also they invested in guys

927
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: like Nate Soldiers somebody. What meaning. So your argument is

928
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: that they should have drafted a corner is what you're saying. Now,

929
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: he's saying next year they'll draft a corner But the

930
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: problem of Charlie, is that they're gonna have to make

931
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: that decision on Genorris Jenkins before the draft. Hey, how

932
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: about a supplemental draft. Should we go after any of

933
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: these cornerbacks that are applying, Yeah, there's only one. There's

934
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: one guy that I think they're saying could be worth

935
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,280
Speaker 1: a first, second, or third round pick. I don't remember

936
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 1: the guy's name, Bill from Yeah, boh, that's it. You're

937
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 1: exactly right. He ran a really tight forty. Um. I

938
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: gotta be honest, Charlie. I'll do some work on him

939
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: over the weekend. I'm really not that familiar with him. Um.

940
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,479
Speaker 1: I know some people say he could be a first, second,

941
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: or third round supplemental pick. Probably a third round guy,

942
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: is my understanding. Um, I guess you think about it.

943
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Giant scouts think of the guy,

944
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: so I honestly don't know, but I'm sure it'll be

945
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: a consideration. Okay, guys, we'll have a great weekend next

946
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: week at no problem. Uh, let's go to market. And

947
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: by the way, before probably going to mark that I

948
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,760
Speaker 1: should point out the reason we brought that. Gil Brandon

949
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: and I wanted to get to the calls after our

950
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: Jacksonville Jaguar eight minute conversation. Um, they're trying to our

951
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: intent on that list, by the way, Um, and I

952
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: think it shows, especially offensively, how much talent they have

953
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: and if the offensive wine holds up. But I think again,

954
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a top five offensive

955
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: wine necessary, but I think it's gonna be much improved

956
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 1: from last year, top half of the league. Um, their

957
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 1: offense should be very very good. The question for me

958
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: still was whether or not their defense and hold up

959
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: their half of the bargain, because we had this argument

960
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: a million times last year Lands. Everyone wanted to put

961
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: all the blame last year on the Giants offense. It

962
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 1: was all the offenses fault when the defense was responsible

963
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 1: for just as many losses that first half of the

964
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: years the offense was. So to me, that's still the

965
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: question moving forward here as to whether or not the

966
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: Giants are top ten talented team. It depends on how

967
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: well they play on defense and now well the guys

968
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: on the defensive side of the ball, and I throw

969
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: in special teams as well, and another facet that came

970
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: back to bite the Giants earlier in the season. To

971
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: your point, and when you look at Gil Brand's breakdown

972
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: of the Giants, he doesn't bring up one defensive player.

973
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: His selling point is all offensive players. He's really high

974
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: on st Kwan Barkley. He likes what they've done with

975
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,720
Speaker 1: the offensive line, he likes the fact that Odell Beckham

976
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: is returning, and the upside of Evan Anger. But if

977
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: you read the paragraph, I don't see Gil mentioned anything.

978
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: I mean, he doesn't even bring up Landed Collins. So

979
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what goes back to what you

980
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: were saying earlier where you thought that Gil was going

981
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 1: very offensive heavy when he was considering these top ten teams.

982
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: I think by putting the Giants in number ten, that

983
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: clearly sells the fact that he was mainly focusing on

984
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 1: the offense and not much on the defense. The steel

985
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: is at number nine. Yeah, that's another Ryan Shazier. Do

986
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: they have one difference making player on their entire defense.

987
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: The Giants defense is more talent than the Steelers defense.

988
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: The gihnts Aleasa Snacks, Harrison, Vernon Collins, and Jenkins. I mean, hell,

989
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: anybody in the Steelers defense. Steelers also have a lot

990
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: more question marks in the secondary compared to at least

991
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: what the Giants have with Jenkins and Landon Collins and

992
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: even Eli Apple coming back. So I mean, when you

993
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 1: take it to consideration all of this. Though, with that

994
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: being said, he mentions more Steelers defensive players, he really

995
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 1: he does with respect of the defense. He brings up

996
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: that he has Cameron Hayward, Stefon Towitt and t J.

997
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: Watt and and those are all guys that you know,

998
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: are are a mix of youth and somebod no and

999
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: I think they're all respectable players. But he was referencing

1000
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: those guys and he didn't mention anybody with respect of

1001
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: the Giants defense. So you know, I would have loved

1002
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 1: for Gil or NFL dot Com to have sort of

1003
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: put like a little paragraph above the rankings to say

1004
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: this is the criteria that he took it to consideration

1005
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: when evaluating these teams. But getting back to the larger point,

1006
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: which is yes, I think everybody is focused on the

1007
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: Giants offense and and not enough people are taking the

1008
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: consideration the defense. I've always felt that defense and special

1009
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: teams has been the overshadowed facets of this team this offseason,

1010
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: where the hype is about the addition of the old

1011
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: line and Barkley and Beckham getting back to full health,

1012
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,760
Speaker 1: but nobody's taking the consideration that, you know, the defense

1013
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: lost some talent the JPP and you also taken the

1014
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 1: consideration Drconkard would be another guy. And then on top

1015
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: of that, I mean this is a defense that's been

1016
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: Dr Jeko Mr Hidish over the last few seasons. I

1017
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: mean even in two thousand six team when they made

1018
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: the players and they were a good unit. Put you know,

1019
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: look at what happened in the Packers game, the playoff game.

1020
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: I mean that was an unrecognizable defense. Now you want

1021
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 1: to say DRC got hurt, that's fine, but Aaron Rodgers

1022
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: was still being able to move the football when some

1023
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: of their notable players were in there. So you know,

1024
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: you still want to see them work out the kings

1025
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 1: on defense before you, you know, make these bold predictions

1026
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: about what this team could do and consistent pass rush.

1027
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, they simply have not been able to have

1028
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: a consistent pass rushing off and it's just been it's

1029
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: a fact. I mean, there's there's really no way around it.

1030
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: And you have and it's hard to be a good

1031
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: defense in this league if you're not generating a consistent

1032
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: pass rush without having to blitz, Meaning who can you

1033
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: rely on game to game to win their one on

1034
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 1: one matchup? And there were even times last year and

1035
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: in years passed and this was because he was banged

1036
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: up where I mean, you didn't even know what you're

1037
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: gonna get at JPP at times. So he was extremely

1038
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: We've talked in a million times on the show, he's

1039
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: extremely inconsistent. Okay, so now you're taking him out of

1040
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: the equation, but he at least was a guy that

1041
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: you get pencil in for seven or eight sacks right

1042
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 1: every season. Okay, So who's filling that void that remains

1043
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: to be seen at this point, not to mention the

1044
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: fact that once you don't get a pass rush, what's

1045
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: happening on the back end? I mean, at your five

1046
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: starting defensive backs, you don't know who two of them are.

1047
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Second safety Nickel who are they. I'm not sure and

1048
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 1: you're God forbid of if Collins, Jack Rabbit or Eli

1049
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Apple and were by the way, we're assuming Elli Apple

1050
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: gets back to what he was. Yeah, you're even with

1051
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: your established guys. Collins is coming off of injury, Apple's

1052
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: coming off of a very up and down season, and

1053
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: Jenkins is coming off injury too. So so, actually, when

1054
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,920
Speaker 1: you evaluate this further, John, the three guys that you

1055
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: want to hang your hat on actually come with some

1056
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: question marks, whether it be health or mental fortitude. None

1057
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 1: of the three were either their last year or great

1058
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: last year when they were there, which further things, and

1059
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: passing defense is everything in this league. If you can't

1060
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: stop the pass, you're not gonna win a lot, especially

1061
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: when you take it the consideration how this division could

1062
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: very well play out in the other quarterbacks in the divisions,

1063
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: and when Stack Prescott, Alex Smith throwing the fact you're

1064
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: taking on the NFC South with Jamis Winston, Matt Ryan,

1065
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: cam Newton, that's the strongest division at quarterback. And then,

1066
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: by the way, if Deshaun Watson comes back from injury

1067
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: and Andrew Luck comes back from injury, you got those

1068
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: two guys plus Marcus Mariolita and your favorite quarterback, favorite

1069
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: guy that can for is Yeah, we'll have to mention

1070
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo another quarterback. You gotta face, you're not getting

1071
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: a lot of freebees at the quarterback position. Last year,

1072
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: the position that was going to kill you on your

1073
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: schedule's defensive end. They faced some of the best pass

1074
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: rushers in football last year. This year it's quarterback. Yeah,

1075
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 1: there's a lot of strength there, and that's more of

1076
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: a reason why you need a pass rush and you

1077
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: need a reliable secretary. So I mean those two facets

1078
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: go hand in hand. I don't think we're telling you

1079
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:26,879
Speaker 1: anything that you don't know by now based on't watch

1080
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: the NFL. Jason in Portland made is up? Next? Hi? Jason?

1081
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: How are you? Don't do? How about you? Guys? Were great? Jason?

1082
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: How are you? And by the way, Mark and Dan,

1083
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: we'll get to you guys to close out the show.

1084
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: What's up, Jason? Hey, not too much. Uh, I'm just

1085
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: wondering as far as our safety position goes. Uh. Was

1086
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: excited when we got Darren Thompson, and of course he

1087
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: got injured, but then he got to play last year.

1088
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, based on last year and what you've

1089
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 1: seen this year, do you think he still has uh

1090
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 1: potential to be a starter in this league. I think

1091
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: he has it in him, but I think he has

1092
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: to play a lot better. Um. The one thing Lance,

1093
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: in my opinion, held them back last year was this

1094
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: poor tackling. And obviously they don't tackle in practice in

1095
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: the spring, so there's no way for me to judge

1096
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: if he's better at that or not. We won't be

1097
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: able to know until the preseason games. And he was

1098
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: also kind of sold as a ball hawk player. I mean,

1099
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: how many balls did you see him get his hands

1100
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: on last year? And he played all sixteen games he

1101
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: was out there. I just didn't see him make a

1102
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: lot of play. So that's my take on the nineteen

1103
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,360
Speaker 1: career interceptions in college at Boise State was a Mountain

1104
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 1: West records, so you know, everybody including myself, figured, all right,

1105
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: maybe some of that will translate over and then he

1106
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: got hurt year one, and as Jason mentioned, the other

1107
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: thing that jumped out to me last year was and

1108
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: this may have been because of the lack of practice

1109
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: and coming off the injury, those anticipation skills which you

1110
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: know also jumped out to me in college. I mean,

1111
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 1: if you go back and look at his Boise tape.

1112
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: He didn't do it all the time, but there were

1113
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: times where they would ask him to come down at

1114
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage and he would aid the run

1115
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,400
Speaker 1: stopping ability of the defense and he would just have it.

1116
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: Seems a real good frame of mind in terms of

1117
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: space and where his opposing offensive player was in. And

1118
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily see that consistently over the course of

1119
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: last season. So you know, you'd like to say that,

1120
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, with more of an opportunity health wise, that

1121
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, he'll get back to what he showcased in college.

1122
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: But you know, I think the potential is there. I

1123
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: just think he's got a lot to you know, sell

1124
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: the coaching staff on the fact that he can be

1125
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: that reliable option moving forward. Okay, okay, yeah, I'm rooting

1126
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: for him for sure. One other question, we don't I

1127
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's talked about too much, but we we

1128
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 1: don't see it a lot, but sometimes we see ties

1129
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I'm just wondering if if the

1130
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: league is still looking into this just because you know,

1131
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: you pay a lot of money sometimes to go to

1132
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 1: a football game and I don't think anybody really feels

1133
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 1: good about, you know, coming out in in in the

1134
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: game ending in a tie. And I'm wondering if maybe

1135
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: they're looking into doing something to make sure there's a winner,

1136
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 1: or is it a possibility that they could come up

1137
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: with some kind of plan to have a winner. I mean, look,

1138
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: the easy way to have a winner is just have

1139
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: over time being untime period. I mean, that's the easy

1140
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: way to do it. Just have it be sudden death

1141
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: and once you get past the first two possessions with

1142
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: those special roles at the first team that scores wins,

1143
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 1: and you play until somebody scores. Unfortunately, I think this

1144
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: was a negotiation to in the c b A. You know,

1145
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 1: they think longer games hurts player safety, and then you

1146
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: have an issue there. Um, I would have no problem

1147
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: Jason making it an untimed overtime period. I'm fine with that. Um,

1148
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 1: But ties don't happen that frequently, so doesn't really necessarily

1149
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: bother me. But I would be okay with that. Well,

1150
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I I do agree with Jason. I hate ties.

1151
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: I don't mean I can't stand ties in sports. I

1152
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: mean it's bad enough with you know world put that

1153
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 1: at the top of my list. I mean, you know,

1154
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: even when Hockey was experimenting in terms of what to

1155
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:43,400
Speaker 1: do with the overtime and you know, then went to

1156
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: the three on three, you know, Ties frustrated me there too,

1157
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: So I think it's rare. So I don't know if

1158
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,919
Speaker 1: the league has to necessarily put onto the microscope though

1159
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: you know, they then decided to shorten over time, which

1160
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's necessarily going to help the cause.

1161
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: That could maybe increase the likelihood of Ties. Well, you

1162
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: know that's not good news. I didn't like that role.

1163
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I didn't think that mean and I'm not fond of

1164
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 1: that either. I always am a fan, though, of every

1165
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: team having at least one possession in overtime and then

1166
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: listen with a week to recover. And I know you

1167
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: may have some of the short weeks which you brought up.

1168
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: If they had to go to a double overtime, I

1169
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: don't think it's the end of the world. I'd rather

1170
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: than play it out till somebody is victorious, and if

1171
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,759
Speaker 1: that means going into a second overtime, I honestly I'm

1172
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 1: not overly concerned about it. Whatever the data shows you

1173
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,839
Speaker 1: have a week to recover, and hockey you may play

1174
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: a game two days later and different extra five minutes

1175
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: ain't killing anybody. No, I don't think it is. So

1176
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand why they can't continue to play into

1177
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: another overtime session until they finally get a winner. And

1178
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,839
Speaker 1: if really the players say then then then then it's

1179
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: a recovery issue. Then put some of your second string guys,

1180
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 1: and then if you want, if it's if it's that

1181
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 1: big of a deal with you, I agree with you.

1182
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 1: A good day, Jason appreciated. Mark in Chicago is up

1183
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: next time. Mark, Hey, guys, good show as usual. Thank you, John,

1184
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: You're coming. The last couple of days of out where

1185
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,760
Speaker 1: the pass rush is coming from made me think about

1186
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: where we've been in the past. And I don't know

1187
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: when the Giants got away from the three or four

1188
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,359
Speaker 1: defense in the nineties. So I went back and looked

1189
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 1: at the eighties, six and ninety teams. I think those

1190
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: are good ones to uh see where the stats were there.

1191
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 1: And obviously LT always let in sacks he had in

1192
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: both seasons about the third of our sacks. Uh second

1193
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: with Leonard Marshall, who by the way I still think

1194
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: belongs in the Ring of Honor had of the sacks,

1195
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: and then third was Carl Banks one year Pepper Johnson.

1196
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: And when you look at just the distribution of sacks

1197
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 1: and where they came from, UM and who we have

1198
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: on our team, I do agree with you. I don't

1199
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: know where they're going to come from. I mean, and

1200
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 1: ninety we had thirty sacks. If we could get thirty

1201
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: sacks out of this team, I think I'd be pretty

1202
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: happy with that. Yeah, And remember this to market. In

1203
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: ninety the run pass ratio for opposing teams was way different.

1204
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: Two teams ran the ball a lot more so the

1205
00:55:57,560 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: sack numbers were all the teams. I think are probably

1206
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit lower back then. And I

1207
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,359
Speaker 1: think the point you make is a good one. Can

1208
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 1: you find a Leonard Marshall on this team? And I think,

1209
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: can you find the guy that's gonna play a three

1210
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: or four defensive line position and based defense, which is

1211
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: what Leonard Marshall did. He was a three four based

1212
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: defensive end. Uh So so is Bruce Smith. By the way,

1213
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: in Buffalo, he still managed to rush the passer. Can

1214
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: b J. Hill be that guy? Can Dalvin Thomas w

1215
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: and be that guy. Look, they're high draft picks, so

1216
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: they have the ability and skill too, but they're no

1217
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: more's run stoppers. Can they be better pass rushers? I

1218
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: think if one of those guys could emerge, I think

1219
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 1: it could solve a out of their problems. Yeah, I

1220
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: agree with that, and uh uh I agree. Uh. There

1221
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: was a couple of comments made last year I think

1222
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: by McAdoo and Spags that you know, pressures are almost

1223
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 1: as important as sacks, and I totally disagree with that.

1224
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: If you can take a team that's second and eight

1225
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: and turn it into a three and fifteen, you're gonna

1226
00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: do a hell of a lot more for yourself in

1227
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 1: terms of third down conversions when you have a third

1228
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: and fifteen versus a third and eight. Mark, I agree,

1229
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think pressures are as important as sacks,

1230
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: but I think pressures paint a more complete picture of

1231
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: how good your pass rush is. Because you could have

1232
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: a great pass rush, but you're facing Eli Manning or

1233
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and they're just so good to get to

1234
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 1: the ball. You might not have a lot of sacks,

1235
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: but your pressures did affect the game, you know, what

1236
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: I mean, and the guys are winning their individual battles

1237
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: or something like that. That's what it's a testament too.

1238
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 1: So that's why I mean, I think you want to

1239
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: collect that data. Yeah, I agree with you, Mark. I mean,

1240
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: you certainly would rather finish so that you backed the

1241
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: team up five yards as opposed to them just getting

1242
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: a new down at the same yardage. But I mean

1243
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 1: you can't dismiss pressures. I think you need to take

1244
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,160
Speaker 1: into consideration. If the guys are winning their individual battles,

1245
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: they're doing something right. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that when

1246
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: I look at the evolution of the quarterback position and

1247
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 1: how they're more athletic and mobile whatever. I just think

1248
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: if you get a pressure on second down, you know,

1249
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: that's okay, But those guys can come back and bite

1250
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: you on third down more easily I think then, and

1251
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,439
Speaker 1: mobile quarterbacks like Eli and Brady. So. Um. The other

1252
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: point I wanted to ask you, um you know, or

1253
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: talk about was a week or two ago, John, I

1254
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: think you were talking with Feagles about how this is

1255
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: sort of a not a make or break here for Eli,

1256
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 1: but basically he's got all the tools I think to

1257
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: be successful. Rebuilt offensive line you are running game. The

1258
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: thing that concerns me about Eli is uh a couple

1259
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: of years ago when he got nailed by Chris Baker

1260
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: in that Washington game, It's almost like he got ptsd UM.

1261
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: You know, his head has been on the swevel ever since.

1262
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: He's got happy feet. I mean last year, you know

1263
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: that he was praised for getting rid of the evolve

1264
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: and two point four seconds. In reality, if he kept

1265
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 1: it for two point nine, he was going to get killed.

1266
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: So I guess I don't think we really know the

1267
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: answer until um the regular season begins. But my concern

1268
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: is is Eli now having his is memory bank? Is

1269
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: physical memory bank of dumping the ball out, getting rid

1270
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 1: of it, getting happy feet, you know, just not taking

1271
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: the time to read thraw its progressions that I think

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00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: he's become accustomed to over the last couple of years.

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear your comments on that, and is

1274
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: there something that you see in practice or maybe the

1275
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: scherma might be working with him on to help him

1276
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: overcome that. I'll listen your answer off the air. You know,

1277
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. It's definitely mental. It's

1278
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: a mental thing, and I think you definitely watch Eli

1279
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: last couple of years, and you knew that he knew

1280
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: that he couldn't hold the ball all the time and

1281
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: they would be trouble if there was So Um, is

1282
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 1: that something you can snap your fingers and get out

1283
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 1: of when you have more confidence the guys in front

1284
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: of you. Yeah? Maybe, well maybe Mark, you could be

1285
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:49,440
Speaker 1: right too, But I think that's something we'll have to

1286
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 1: wait until the preseason a regular season to figure out. Yeah.

1287
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean as far as watching practice and saying if

1288
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: schrmers helping him work on something like that, I mean,

1289
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: if you can't have any contact and they're not pattently

1290
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: tru or in the trenches, I mean, I don't understand

1291
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: how Eli Manning could mentally even work on that because

1292
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: you're not sensing a pass rush. I mean, I'll say

1293
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,280
Speaker 1: this last year, last year in practice, even legitiary in practice,

1294
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: because he knew no one was trying to hit him.

1295
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: It's when the game comes and all of a sudden,

1296
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: you you know, may either lack confidence in your offensive

1297
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 1: line or you just see how the trends of the

1298
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: game are going through and you realize, you know what,

1299
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: we're not winning in the trenches. Are therefore I got

1300
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,560
Speaker 1: to get rid of the football, or even when I

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01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: hold onto the football long, the mental clock is going

1302
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: off in my head where I realized I'm gonna get

1303
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,520
Speaker 1: hit now in a second if I don't get rid

1304
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:36,000
Speaker 1: of the football. Even though maybe they are doing their

1305
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 1: job at the left tackle position and he does have

1306
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: additional protection, but he's still thinking, boy, we're at like

1307
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:43,320
Speaker 1: four or five seconds by now, I've got to get

1308
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: rid of the football. Yeah, you hope that his mental

1309
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: clock hasn't been permanently sped up, which you'd think it

1310
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: probably hasn't because it's been the league for so long.

1311
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: But I think it's a fair question. And by the way,

1312
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: you don't like the way the season starts. You gotta

1313
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: face the Jaguars in week one, who maybe the best

1314
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 1: pass Russian football. Week two you have to Marcus Lauren

1315
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: is going up against Dark Flowers, which is gonna be

1316
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: a challenge. Week three of J. J. Watt and Jadaveon

1317
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: Clowney in the Texans, so that's gonna be another good

1318
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: pass rush. And then the Saints actually have a very

1319
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: underrated pass which with with Cameron Jordan's coming off the edge.

1320
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: By the way, he also goes over right tackle, by

1321
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: the way, so that'll be another I think he does,

1322
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: doesn't camera Jordan, I believe from from what I recall,

1323
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: I think they do move him around. I think they

1324
01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: does too. So and then by the way, Carolina has

1325
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: a has and either Philly both have pretty good defensive

1326
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: line two in weeks five and six. So the first

1327
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: six weeks this offensive line, you know, maybe you don't

1328
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:34,040
Speaker 1: have any Von Millers or Cloe Max in there like

1329
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: ye last year, but damn good players. Yeah. And then

1330
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: on the flip side, what about the Giants defensive line

1331
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: in terms of having to deal with also some mobile

1332
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,240
Speaker 1: quarterbacks here you mentioned the Texans. Giants defensive line has

1333
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: to worry about containing Deshaun Watson and what he could

1334
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: do to Rekavic and even Prescott in week two and

1335
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 1: can do five yea, and even Bortles has some mobility

1336
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: to do him as well. Alright, final call the show

1337
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: at two on one, four or five one threes. Dan

1338
01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: in the Poconos, Dan, what's up, hey, fellas, how you

1339
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 1: guys doing. I'm doing well. Always a pleasure to talk

1340
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: to you, guys that've never missed a show. I'll let

1341
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: me I know, I know you're running late, so I'll

1342
01:02:11,080 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 1: be quick. I just had one question, but I just

1343
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 1: want to touch on two comments from that last caller.

1344
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,959
Speaker 1: Uh maybe maybe a remorse. Maybe he might show us something.

1345
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 1: You know, as far as word is it going to

1346
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,680
Speaker 1: come from pressure? You know, we don't know. But you

1347
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:26,840
Speaker 1: know I won't say a clara because he's we still

1348
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: go home for him. But you know, but a morse

1349
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: is a little you know, not a big enough sample sized.

1350
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll be out there more. One other thing, I'll

1351
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: try and run off quick. Um And and I just

1352
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: get so frustrated with the with the thing about Eli.

1353
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: I mean, with the offensive line we had these last

1354
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: two years. I mean, anyone else was going to running

1355
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: for his life. I just think that, you know, And

1356
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: I just think he's gonna put up some really good numbers,

1357
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: even though, like you just said, the first bunch of

1358
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,439
Speaker 1: teams we play, they're gonna be coming at him. But hey,

1359
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 1: we'll find out how good the improvements are to ourline

1360
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,320
Speaker 1: right then and there. That'll be it. Um. So. But

1361
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: one other thing that you know, I listened at work

1362
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't heart. I hate to make you repeat yourself,

1363
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: but that in the beginning you said that top ten list.

1364
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 1: Johnants went number ten on the list top ten talented

1365
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 1: teams in the NFL according to Gilbrand, which means defense

1366
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 1: and offense, even though it looks like he only focused

1367
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: on offense, but talent overall on the whole roster. Yeah, right,

1368
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: like you said, But I uh, okay, so it was

1369
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: based on talent because at first I was like, you know,

1370
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm surprised we will make the list, you know, And

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01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 1: that's when we were commented on, yeah, you know, we've

1372
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: got three, three freaking wins. But you know, hey, but

1373
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 1: what half the team was hurt? Boll of course. So anyway,

1374
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: well that's great, guys. Well keep and one that I

1375
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:43,560
Speaker 1: haven't talked to you guys a long time. Again late

1376
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 1: to the party, but you know, you guys did a

1377
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: phenomenal as usual with the draft and everything. The interviews

1378
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: from the other guys. US fans like, so appreciate that guy,

1379
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: you do a great job. Thank you very tune in.

1380
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: Appreciate that very much appreciated, my friend. You're welcome out

1381
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: a good weekend, guys, enjoy the Pocono. That one of

1382
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: mind going up to the bumponosis, it sounds like fun

1383
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,080
Speaker 1: to me. Has been kind of cool here, so you

1384
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: know you may not have to go. It might be

1385
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: a little chili up there. Right, it's a good point.

1386
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: It's it's calmed down a little. I'm surprised. I was

1387
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: actually a little worried. And you know, I think this

1388
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:14,960
Speaker 1: happened last year where you went from like fifties in

1389
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: April and May and then it went right up to

1390
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: like ninety five and it was sweltering. We've actually got

1391
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks spring here exactly. I'm all for

1392
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,400
Speaker 1: its staying, like, oh, if we can stay between seventy

1393
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: eight and eighty two for the horse of the summer,

1394
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: my Michael, tell me, but where do I sign? No,

1395
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 1: I'll take that. I mean, why why would you root

1396
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: for ninety five? Like the Tino loves the nineties? Crazy? Well,

1397
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 1: then again, I didn't need him to hear rooting for

1398
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: ninety five to label him is crazy Salmon. What's your

1399
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: ideal temperature? What you got seventy five eighty? What do

1400
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 1: you like? No? But I'm like Dan, I love the cold. Honestly,

1401
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: I would take sixty five degrees year round. I'd be

1402
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: completely contempts with the San Diego so they're on seventy

1403
01:04:56,120 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: all year. That's pretty good. Yeah. I just to me,

1404
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:02,959
Speaker 1: that's a perfect, nice medium temperature where it's not too hot,

1405
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: so basically too cold to day you can wear a

1406
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: T shirt and then and then you put your hoodie

1407
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 1: on and your dead. And I'm totally fine with that. Absolutely. Well,

1408
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Okay, if you had the

1409
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: choice to sweat religiously and be uncomfortable every single day,

1410
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: versus it be cold where you gotta wear some layers

1411
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: but you have the flexibility to take them off and

1412
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: on at the same time, what would you choose. I

1413
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 1: hate the heat, so I don't is like torture to me,

1414
01:05:29,040 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 1: So I don't like that. I'm also not a big

1415
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 1: fan of like. But we had this past winter. What

1416
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:35,439
Speaker 1: was in January this year? We had like too straight

1417
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: weeks higher than that. I'll pass on. But what I'm

1418
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 1: saying is, could you survive if it was in the forties?

1419
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: I could you survive? You don't have to wear some layers,

1420
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: but I would like my high I want to be

1421
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: able to play sports outside, so I I like sports

1422
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,960
Speaker 1: in the high forties fifties. I mean, it's not impossible

1423
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: if the high temperature is forty five, and I'm trying

1424
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,680
Speaker 1: to play Saturday morning vast one is thirty eight. Well,

1425
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,720
Speaker 1: that you told me, I thought if you're talking about

1426
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: maybe like some base bowl or foot I want to

1427
01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: be able to play basketball outside. So okay, well basketball

1428
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: outside in the forties, Yes, maybe pushing it. I can

1429
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: disagree with that. The lowest side go is to have

1430
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: my high temperatures between fifty five and sixty. That'll be

1431
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: the that'll be the coldest I'd I'd accept fifty five

1432
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: to sixty. I'm content with. Signed me up for that

1433
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 1: year round. I'd be totally fine with that. I think

1434
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:26,439
Speaker 1: it's comfortable weather. Paul will not like you. Paul could

1435
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,520
Speaker 1: run if it's fifty five or sixty. You just got

1436
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 1: to embrace the environment. But you could run one. Paul

1437
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: running through Thanksgiving it was like the happiest year of

1438
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: his life. Yeah, well, listen if if he runs as

1439
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: he does and as he says, walks, I'm sorry, yes,

1440
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:47,320
Speaker 1: I'm giving him too much credits. Okay, then if you

1441
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 1: put shorts on in that weather, by the time you're

1442
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: about a minute or two into your power walk, you're

1443
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: not gonna be feeling it. Anyway, I'm not sure he

1444
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: feels much anyway, so even further for a reason why

1445
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: I think he'd be able to get away with shorts

1446
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: in that way. The only thing he feels are Giants

1447
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 1: wins and losses and pretty much all right. Thanks for

1448
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 1: joining this, everybody, have a great weekend. Lands course have

1449
01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: a great weekend as well. Thanks to man Dan we'll

1450
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: see on Monday and giants dot Com. Everybody have a

1451
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,920
Speaker 1: pleasant afternoon and weekend. Have a go on