Speaker 1: Look up.
Speaker 2: It's only films to be buried with. Hello, and welcome
Speaker 2: to films to be buried with. My name is Brett Goldstein.
Speaker 2: I'm a comedian, an actor, a writer, a director and
Speaker 2: assistant coach, and I love films. As the Great Alan
Speaker 2: Watts once said, the menu is not the meal. The
Speaker 2: menu is a film directed by succession director Mike Mylod. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's true, Well done, Allen.
Speaker 1: Good point.
Speaker 2: Every week I'm about a special guest over. I tell
Speaker 2: them they've died. Then I get them to discuss their
Speaker 2: life through the films that meant the most of them.
Speaker 2: Previous guests include Barry Jenkins, Mark Frost, Sharon Stone, and
Speaker 2: even Bed Clambles. But this week it's finally happened. He's here.
Speaker 2: It's the one, it's the only, it's mister ted Lasso himself.
Speaker 2: It's Jason Sudeikis. Remember that you can watch all of
Speaker 2: Ted Lasso seasons one to three on Apple TV plus
Speaker 2: get caught up on all of them if you've not
Speaker 2: seen them. Yes, because we do discuss some things, including
Speaker 2: the ending and other moments from the show. Head over
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Speaker 2: You get extra questions, you get secrets. We discuss beginnings
Speaker 2: and endings of films. You can always get the whole
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Speaker 2: Bret Goldstein. So Jason Sudakis. Jason Sudakis is a living legend.
Speaker 2: You know him from SNL, you know him from Were
Speaker 2: the Millers, You know him from Horrible Bosses one and two.
Speaker 2: You know him from Colossal, you know him from the
Speaker 2: Angry Birds movie one and two. You know him from Race,
Speaker 2: you know him from Code Grame, you know him from Permission,
Speaker 2: you know him from Sleeping with Other People, and you
Speaker 2: know him as Ted Lasso himself. We recorded this episode
Speaker 2: in person in a studio two weeks after the finale
Speaker 2: of Ted Laso had aired, and it was very great
Speaker 2: to have a little debrief and finally get into his
Speaker 2: thoughts on life, death and movies. And I really think
Speaker 2: you're gonna love this one. We talked about so much
Speaker 2: that I've split the up into two parts. Part two
Speaker 2: is next week, and it's all excellent stuff. But for now,
Speaker 2: this is part one.
Speaker 1: So that is it.
Speaker 2: I very much hope you enjoy episode two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty one of Films to be Buried With. Hello, and
Speaker 2: welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is I
Speaker 2: Brett Goldstein, and I am enjoined today by a Miller,
Speaker 2: an angry bird, a coder, chromer, and ESSNELLA Joe Biden captain,
Speaker 2: my captain, a writer, a director, an actor, a showrunner,
Speaker 2: a creator of worlds, a man, a legend, a father
Speaker 2: to the world, a basketball champion, a pinball is it
Speaker 2: and a great lover. Please welcome to this show. I
Speaker 2: can't believe he's here. It's only is mister Jackson's care.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, I don't know if that was enough, ten
Speaker 3: too many or not ten too few?
Speaker 2: It felt incomplete, But you know, I'll do the rest
Speaker 2: if we resurrect.
Speaker 3: I'm only forty seven. I got time to go, right,
Speaker 3: I got at least five more years.
Speaker 1: Yeah? How are you, Jason? I am all right?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for doing this. Happy hump Day, Happy ham Day.
Speaker 3: Although these exist in a timeless, spaceless vacuum, right like
Speaker 3: they they're timeless.
Speaker 2: Their time is, but they do have come out in
Speaker 2: a day. Oh nice, your instincts were right on perfect.
Speaker 2: So many questions for you can't start with like the obvious,
Speaker 2: we're recording this two weeks since the Sad Last Night.
Speaker 2: Finally two weeks to today almost how does your head
Speaker 2: and heart feel two weeks after having released the end?
Speaker 3: If you releasing that released the Hounds? Having released the Hounds?
Speaker 3: Have they have they brought anything back to the estate good?
Speaker 3: I think yeah, I mean it was it was pretty
Speaker 3: you know, hectic leading up to the release with just
Speaker 3: you know, the visual effects that you know, we had
Speaker 3: a fun fact that was given to me from our
Speaker 3: post crew was that, you know, in the in our
Speaker 3: finale season one, episode ten or one hundred VFX shots
Speaker 3: in the finale this year there were six hundred, So
Speaker 3: that's six times as many, right, Uh, this is you know,
Speaker 3: I'm sure there's math fans then listen to this, right
Speaker 3: there's yeah, because they love the structure of it. Left
Speaker 3: brain satisfied, you know, with some right right brain daliances.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I feel I feel good.
Speaker 3: And then it was right after that I went straight
Speaker 3: to Kansas City to do with the charity event with
Speaker 3: a bunch of family and friends and so like I
Speaker 3: wasn't like in withdrawal right after bad I was I
Speaker 3: was like, you know, just in a whole other, you know,
Speaker 3: state of mind, you know, trying to get into that.
Speaker 1: But but it's nice.
Speaker 3: Because we met a lot of folks that, you know,
Speaker 3: had nice things about the show. I just watched it
Speaker 3: and you know, laughed their brains out, cried their eyes out, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 3: you know, they did however they responded. But yeah, we're
Speaker 3: all I feel. I feel fine, you know.
Speaker 2: You know, you don't feel bereft, you know, grieving, not
Speaker 2: really you is your brain still still it's still.
Speaker 1: Sort of thing. Yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And and then even though like we're not doing you know,
Speaker 3: any of these you know events that the cast was
Speaker 3: in the town for, I got to see those guys.
Speaker 3: So that always feels a little bit like we're just
Speaker 3: back in the thick of it, you know. But you know,
Speaker 3: there's no not any time yet. And and and in
Speaker 3: a pinch, I'll just play FIFA. I'll play yeah on FIFA. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, there's always that, you know, it's like a
Speaker 3: methadone clinic for the withdrawals of of the heroine of
Speaker 3: Lasso Great.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen the video I rested
Speaker 2: on Twitter of I think a guy's filming his girlfriend watching.
Speaker 1: The see that, yeah, and he just lose in her mind.
Speaker 2: She's crying and crying, and then I think the answer goes,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kill.
Speaker 3: Myseln yeah, which which was like, that's what, That's what
Speaker 3: Ted's dad did. That's you know, for the reason all this.
Speaker 1: No, so that was the takeaway. But bless her.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they got to get those those
Speaker 3: vhs is back to Blockbuster too.
Speaker 1: You can't rewatch it. You got to get those puppies back.
Speaker 1: You got to.
Speaker 3: Rewind them, suckers and then get them right back. Otherwise
Speaker 3: that's a late feed that goes on your permanent record.
Speaker 3: A lot of people don't know. That's what shut Blockbuster down,
Speaker 3: is that they're like meddling permanent records.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you sort of creative questions if
Speaker 2: I may, sure if you go from the start the
Speaker 2: start of these questions, you know, the answers to some
Speaker 2: might do and some might have a vague, right, but
Speaker 2: I kind of want to get into it. I actually
Speaker 2: don't know the answer entirely. If you go to day one, right,
Speaker 2: Ted l to final day filming. Honey, okay, I want
Speaker 2: to know how you see it in your head if
Speaker 2: you can articulate it, and when we're in the rights
Speaker 2: room and stuff, so you have a vision, but the
Speaker 2: vision isn't complete. It doesn't have all the bits in it,
Speaker 2: of course not No, So how much of it when
Speaker 2: people are drawing in ideas and you're seeing stuff when
Speaker 2: it becomes clear, is it always like a puzzle piece
Speaker 2: guy and in like oh, yeah, that obviously that that's right?
Speaker 2: Or is it sometimes like yeah, this could work with that?
Speaker 2: Like how complete is the overall picture to you? Or
Speaker 2: is it sort of a tiny bit at a time.
Speaker 3: It's a tiny bit of time the big I mean
Speaker 3: from soup to nuts, as the saying goes in a
Speaker 3: meal much fancier than I've ever had see with nuts. Well,
Speaker 3: it like starts with soup and ends with nuts. It
Speaker 3: might be like a nineteen course meal. It's a saying.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's like soup to nuts.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: We should look that up. So someone should look that
Speaker 3: up us know. But it was just about knowing the
Speaker 3: tone of it, knowing like the themes of it, knowing
Speaker 3: like that that was the stuff that I knew, and
Speaker 3: Ted's journey I knew, like I knew, you know, spoilers,
Speaker 3: I knew Ted had to go home. But there's two
Speaker 3: much of a factor of other people's stories. You know,
Speaker 3: the writers, the casting, you know, the talents of those casts,
Speaker 3: the chemistry amongst cast members and stuff, and that you're
Speaker 3: just listening as it goes, and a great amount of
Speaker 3: the show just slotted in like a like a puzzle,
Speaker 3: as you were saying, like when you said, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: in a weird way that you barely had to like
Speaker 3: trim around the edge to make it to like jam
Speaker 3: it in or anything like, we're just sort of like
Speaker 3: and then it was just trusting that. And then then
Speaker 3: you're just sort of waiting, never relying on it, but
Speaker 3: trusting that it's going to happen. So it's like it
Speaker 3: certainly was parts of that, I think, and I think
Speaker 3: that's part. The clearest example of that is stuff like, well,
Speaker 3: I think just the cast. I can't look at anybody
Speaker 3: in the cast and be like I wish we would
Speaker 3: have got like we got exactly who we were supposed
Speaker 3: to get, and everybody is like perfect at it. I
Speaker 3: think that's why they can become in the form of
Speaker 3: a claimation version of themselves or a lego character. And
Speaker 3: that has a lot to do with also hair and
Speaker 3: makeup and wardrobe and the actors, you know, personal essence.
Speaker 3: But it also was a little bit the way that
Speaker 3: that all those things backtored and slaughtered and right into
Speaker 3: that role.
Speaker 2: In my head. And I don't know, and forgive me
Speaker 2: if this is not true for you. Episode four of
Speaker 2: season one is when it all started. I felt like,
Speaker 2: not only did we as a cast, like I remember
Speaker 2: that read through before we hear evenything where it felt
Speaker 2: like this is cooking. Like I said, everyone is now
Speaker 2: comfortable in their parts. Everyone's getting this and we are
Speaker 2: all gelling and the chemistry is great. And it may
Speaker 2: have been there before, but I think everyone's confidence started
Speaker 2: to come sort of episode four. And then I remember
Speaker 2: watching you and you when we were in that gala
Speaker 2: talking like it was the first time maybe I observed
Speaker 2: you in detail kind of painting on set, as in
Speaker 2: just walking around talking talking to people like this is
Speaker 2: what you're thinking. Even I remember when Katy reaches over
Speaker 2: to get the champagne bottles, you had a word with
Speaker 2: the lady who was playing the Barger like you you
Speaker 2: were like Mary Pop in one of Dick Ventek's paintings,
Speaker 2: interacting with everything that this is this, this, this, and
Speaker 2: it was so it really felt like magic. And then
Speaker 2: also in the episode when Rupert arrived, do you remember,
Speaker 2: That's when I was like, this is all magic. Like
Speaker 2: he was so fucking perfect. He when he first shouted
Speaker 2: at the back of the room, it was like, fuck me,
Speaker 2: this is magic.
Speaker 1: They couldn't be more perfect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I mean for me, it was always in
Speaker 3: the it was in the pitch. I mean even when
Speaker 3: when like I'd have to look back at Brendan and
Speaker 3: Joe and I worked on back in like my house
Speaker 3: in December or like whatever, not December, but like in
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen. But it was certainly in there by the time,
Speaker 3: you know, talking him through with Bill Lawrence about it,
Speaker 3: and then certainly in the pitch.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was in the pitch, but
Speaker 1: it was in.
Speaker 3: It would have been in you know, seeing Rebecca be
Speaker 3: confronted with Rupert and Ted coming upon her, you know,
Speaker 3: in tears and him comforting her was always there. So
Speaker 3: that was the first time that we were in a
Speaker 3: single location it wasn't it wasn't technical about episode because
Speaker 3: you know, we had this stuff at the beginning, you know,
Speaker 3: you guys, can Jamie get in a fight at the
Speaker 3: locker room and whatnot, But it was the first time
Speaker 3: there were multiple stories going on with like emotional undercurrents.
Speaker 3: I mean, I remember that was that was That's really
Speaker 3: funny that that would been the first week. It makes
Speaker 3: sense to me and I remember all that. It's something
Speaker 3: about being on a field trip or like, you know,
Speaker 3: like at camp. We were at ted Lasso camp, and
Speaker 3: it was unusual. I know people, you know, you know,
Speaker 3: some folks who were concerned about that episode because we
Speaker 3: were setting up you know whatever the locker room and
Speaker 3: now we're already out of a different place and nobody's
Speaker 3: in the same clothes. And I love that about that
Speaker 3: because it just accelerates community in real life, like when
Speaker 3: you know, that's I mean, that's what the whole Like
Speaker 3: one of the fun jokes about Speed is it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, relationships that start under a high pressure situation
Speaker 3: don't end up, you know, and by speed too. She
Speaker 3: was right, but like, but for me, that's that's where
Speaker 3: you get to sort of see people outside of their elements,
Speaker 3: like watching them play board games or or seeing the
Speaker 3: way that they have seen them dance.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like you see him in a little bit.
Speaker 3: Where where there could be uncomfortable, a little bit out
Speaker 3: of their element. And that's what that episode was, and
Speaker 3: so everybody, yeah was and I was holding a lot
Speaker 3: of these stories and these arcs in my head because
Speaker 3: I remember that was the first time that I sat
Speaker 3: down with Nick and explained to him, you know, what
Speaker 3: was going to be going on there, and I told
Speaker 3: him just to sit you know, you don't get him
Speaker 3: and dance though, you just sit back and watch you
Speaker 3: because you don't think you can dance. But you're just
Speaker 3: seeing like, wow, this guy, like how do I get
Speaker 3: to do? How can I do? How can I affect
Speaker 3: people the way he affects people? You know, And that
Speaker 3: obviously has you know, turns in season two where he
Speaker 3: where he doesn't you know, affect Nate that way any
Speaker 3: or you know, like the way he did, and he
Speaker 3: was at that moment, and so if you watch that
Speaker 3: episode again, you see just Nick just sitting at that table,
Speaker 3: like in that suit that Ted bottom being like he's
Speaker 3: literally you know, surrounded by it but it was. But
Speaker 3: that was another magical sort of way things slotted in,
Speaker 3: you know, finding cam Cole, you know, the musician. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this was not too disimilar from the way that we
Speaker 3: found that Ted finds cam Cole, you know, when he's
Speaker 3: just walking by and walking through it's like all those
Speaker 3: little things, yeah, really really happen. But yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: Tony Anthony Heads, you know, coming in in that white
Speaker 3: dinner jacket was just badass.
Speaker 1: So you know, that's just like bad Rick.
Speaker 3: From Casablanca, just like you know that Rick was a
Speaker 3: bad guy.
Speaker 1: That's true, Is It's okay? Is?
Speaker 2: I think what I'm trying to get is this is
Speaker 2: that in my head a lot of this is magic,
Speaker 2: as in I felt like when we made this show
Speaker 2: that it was with the angels, and sometimes me just go,
Speaker 2: I can't believe this. So in terms of in your
Speaker 2: head having to hold this whole thing, not just the
Speaker 2: story but the reality of production and two hundred people a.
Speaker 3: Lorded, that's not on me by any means. But yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, I would argue that I probably had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with holding up together these people absolutely.
Speaker 2: So you know, you don't have the complete puzzle, but
Speaker 2: you have elements of it. I guess I'm asking if
Speaker 2: do you rely on some sort of spiritual thing, like
Speaker 2: when it comes to you, are you like, where is
Speaker 2: this coming from? Has it been in the back of
Speaker 2: your head?
Speaker 1: Is it? Yeah? With the angels? Do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Yes? Much? Is how much are you open
Speaker 1: to letting magic happen?
Speaker 3: Oh? There's nothing but openness? Yeah, I think it's nothing
Speaker 3: but that I like all I was doing. It felt
Speaker 3: like to a certain degree from jump was like curating
Speaker 3: a great cookout, you know, and I'm just putting stuff
Speaker 3: on the plate.
Speaker 1: But everybody's bringing something that they love to the plate.
Speaker 3: Hopefully if they don't love it, then as I just
Speaker 3: kind of liked it, or it just kind of worked,
Speaker 3: or it felt like it was supposed to this is
Speaker 3: what was supposed to happen. Then like it usually just
Speaker 3: got it got called out pretty quick. There are a
Speaker 3: bunch of other fun stuff to choose from, usually from
Speaker 3: the same any of the same people, you know. So,
Speaker 3: but a lot of it is staying open to it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean you can't you can't hold water and close fist,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like you gotta gotta stay open
Speaker 3: there and see see who comes a drink from it?
Speaker 1: And you know, occasionally nourish yourself.
Speaker 2: But yeah, was there ever moments of like when we
Speaker 2: didn't have it yet, when you maybe what like, did
Speaker 2: you ever like lose faith, like, oh God, is the
Speaker 2: magic going to come because we don't have this piece
Speaker 2: figured out yet?
Speaker 3: Or was we we just like patients patients didn't come
Speaker 3: yeah to I mean to to a certain degree. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I questioned myself, I know, for me personally
Speaker 3: the whole time. But I think that's just that's just
Speaker 3: the way I'm wired, I mean, even from jump, but
Speaker 3: also but also not worrying about it too much, you know,
Speaker 3: or or getting caught up in it. And I think
Speaker 3: sometimes you know, I just sort of fall back into
Speaker 3: like an athlete's mentality of like, well, you've done, you've
Speaker 3: done in the work you practiced, you know, as much
Speaker 3: as this other team or as maybe as much as
Speaker 3: this other guy too, especially in my youth.
Speaker 1: And the same thing with like coming from like an improv.
Speaker 3: Background, where where well, I'm not one hundred percent on
Speaker 3: board at all times with improvisation being you know, sold
Speaker 3: as a product. I believe in it greatly as as
Speaker 3: a process in order to like, you know, create material
Speaker 3: and you know, live life and you know, drive on
Speaker 3: the highway, you know, like you know, yes, Sam, go ahead, merge,
Speaker 3: you know. But I definitely, definitely yeah, tons of tons
Speaker 3: of self doubt. I think that's that's healthy, you know,
Speaker 3: and and and but never doubt about what it was,
Speaker 3: and never a doubt about being proud of what we're
Speaker 3: all making, and and equally as importantly, as often as possible,
Speaker 3: how we were making it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: But I remember having a chat with one of your
Speaker 3: fellow podcasters, Esther Perell, and she was like, how long
Speaker 3: have you had this idea? And I go, I don't know.
Speaker 3: She was probably your whole life, right, you know, you've
Speaker 3: been writing it your whole life. And I was like, yeah, lady, yeah, singo,
Speaker 3: you know Bullseye. You know, we're just in a buffet line.
Speaker 3: This woman, I tell you, you see right there, you
Speaker 3: just like they have bigger plates. And she's just like,
Speaker 3: you don't need that big a player. You're right, I
Speaker 3: don't bless you do.
Speaker 2: You have to have one is having done this and
Speaker 2: it's a monumental achievement. Is there like a tip you
Speaker 2: would take from making that to making the next thing,
Speaker 2: or do you feel it is a specific to this
Speaker 2: or would you just apply.
Speaker 1: The same thing to your next thing. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean I think personnel wise, I think it's sniffing
Speaker 3: out over the three years of where I think my
Speaker 3: bread is buttered.
Speaker 1: What I think I'm better.
Speaker 3: At how to navigate relationships that can exist under the
Speaker 3: guise of being personal but actually our only professional and
Speaker 3: how to how to you know, anticipate something along those
Speaker 3: lines and not being so reliant on the way I work,
Speaker 3: you know, but like an example would be of the
Speaker 3: none of the former things of the latter would be.
Speaker 3: I knew at some point that my me coming from
Speaker 3: you know, Sarah live, me coming from improvisation is not
Speaker 3: the way most people are trained.
Speaker 1: It wasn't even training.
Speaker 3: That was there, so much as the way I am
Speaker 3: used to executing things and so doing things at the
Speaker 3: last second. Isn't me you know, having the answer and
Speaker 3: then withholding it, you know what I mean. It's not
Speaker 3: not some macafelion like you know, Dick move. It's like
Speaker 3: literally like oh in you know at eleven twenty five
Speaker 3: am is like or the sketch isn't done until it's on,
Speaker 3: and then even after it's aired, there's like, you know,
Speaker 3: dress rehearsal is better, and we can change that for
Speaker 3: the West Coast feed at least we could during my time.
Speaker 3: Now they show USNL live you know, across the country.
Speaker 3: But you know, if there are a couple of times
Speaker 3: when I, you know, boofed the line that Lauren would
Speaker 3: be like, well, what if you want to put in
Speaker 3: you know, the West Coast, I was like, yes, please,
Speaker 3: you know, can we or if someone you know swore
Speaker 3: or any any of those you know, concerns because so
Speaker 3: they don't get fine doubly, I assume, but you know,
Speaker 3: i'd be I'd be more cognizant of that. But you know,
Speaker 3: Brennan and I are from that world. You know, Joe
Speaker 3: and I are from that world. You know, Brennan and
Speaker 3: Joe and I are obviously all from that world. So
Speaker 3: like we are kind of used to it, and even
Speaker 3: the initial commercials were built that way. That'll be they'll
Speaker 3: be the two biggest things is this, Yeah, keep my
Speaker 3: radar up a little bit more on that, But nothing
Speaker 3: towards the process of doing it has made me more
Speaker 3: fearful or cynical or jaded towards the process of you know,
Speaker 3: make doing ensemble arts at all. Know, if anything, it's
Speaker 3: just it's it's it's proven, you know, so many aspects
Speaker 3: of it, of of my belief system in regards to
Speaker 3: how one can go about doing it correctly. And that's
Speaker 3: only not through from within, that's from that's from you know,
Speaker 3: the relationships I've made whilst doing it, and and this
Speaker 3: neat thing that we made the response to it's great,
Speaker 3: We had no control over that.
Speaker 1: I just love what we made, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like the like the responses, but you know.
Speaker 3: Good, bad and ugly, especially once something has come to
Speaker 3: an end and people wanting a certain thing that that
Speaker 3: was there, that they felt was there, Like I'm not
Speaker 3: want to tell you it wasn't. I'm not wanting to
Speaker 3: tell you you know you're wrong, or I can answer
Speaker 3: any of the questions as far as what I think
Speaker 3: it is. Uh, And even that I kind of like
Speaker 3: withhold because it's like, who cares, Like I've told you
Speaker 3: what I what I think.
Speaker 1: It's all in there. So yeah, And lastly, Accent, you
Speaker 1: are objectively.
Speaker 2: An outstanding but I would say I'm like I learned
Speaker 2: many things from you, and I think I really genuinely
Speaker 2: lend it about accent for me, I think you're a
Speaker 2: phenomena accent.
Speaker 1: I don't mind saying that, sweet you.
Speaker 2: I think you're a phenomenon and one thing that I
Speaker 2: really really appreciate and love. It's a bad day scenes
Speaker 2: with you is you like Gueni Temple, like like i've
Speaker 2: and in that clast, but given you know, I know
Speaker 2: there are people number one and of course you who
Speaker 2: don't do this. You give light and love even when
Speaker 2: you're not on camera and there's a specific scene I
Speaker 2: remember very well in the office where part of my
Speaker 2: performance is because of you, and you're not on camera
Speaker 2: as in your You're doing what essentially acting should be,
Speaker 2: but rarely is I think you're giving and reacting and
Speaker 2: listening and I say something and you reacted in such
Speaker 2: a way that it moved me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: And anyway, all that is to say, you're very very good.
Speaker 2: But also how and you've always have been? Did you
Speaker 2: learn it? Is it natural to use it? Just because
Speaker 2: it's because it is unusual. I think what you do.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know what I do. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I do.
Speaker 3: I've taken a handful of classes, mostly improvisation. I've tried
Speaker 3: to make sense of it in the sense of like,
Speaker 3: why do I like this? Why did I even knack
Speaker 3: for it? I do believe it's similar to what you're
Speaker 3: saying that and endowing me with of like saying that
Speaker 3: part of your performance in that particular was shaped.
Speaker 1: By my reactions to it.
Speaker 3: And yet I believe that the majority of who I
Speaker 3: am and what I am and how I am is
Speaker 3: in reaction to the people I was lucky enough to
Speaker 3: be around by family and you know, and by choice,
Speaker 3: by you know, friends you know, so and and and
Speaker 3: the things that I watched growing up, you know.
Speaker 1: And and then in.
Speaker 3: Doing improvisation I was getting I would always get understandably
Speaker 3: because it was the time to try these things where
Speaker 3: you play different characters and whatnot, and I would just
Speaker 3: always play a version of myself.
Speaker 1: And that I was kind of resolute in that.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like almost like, you know, I would
Speaker 3: assume that even teachers of mine would be like, well,
Speaker 3: it's kind of a dick about it, like like Jason
Speaker 3: plays someone else, like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, don't just play the guy you know.
Speaker 3: And yet I got all these reps being in all
Speaker 3: these ridiculous scenarios that that all my clever you know,
Speaker 3: classmates and teammates and and castmates would choose and I
Speaker 3: would just get to play that reality. But as myself,
Speaker 3: and that's sort of what you're doing, I don't feel
Speaker 3: that I'm skilled in the way that like, you know,
Speaker 3: someone like Daniel day Lewis or you know, people that
Speaker 3: can turn into completely different people.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not my knack as of yet.
Speaker 2: But then I would, I think that you do. Do
Speaker 2: you remember the very first time we talked about the
Speaker 2: FaceTime one in the morning, my time, and one of
Speaker 2: the first thing we talked about was the film Colossal,
Speaker 2: which I think is excellent and I think you are
Speaker 2: excellent in it, and if people haven't seen that, it's
Speaker 2: really an interesting watch in opposition to Ted last because
Speaker 2: Ted Lasso is the most charming, lovely, delightful person and
Speaker 2: what I think is incredible about Colossal, And it's the
Speaker 2: same thing I think we've talked about with Nick Muhammad
Speaker 2: and with most people when they play a bad person,
Speaker 2: are scared of being likable, pathetic, any of those adjectives,
Speaker 2: so they'll do it very charmingly or they'll do it
Speaker 2: with the pozazz, you know, and what you do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it is a spoiler I'm afraid for Colossal. But
Speaker 2: you start off as a kind of rom com kind
Speaker 2: of character and then you are revealed to not be
Speaker 2: a good guy. And when you aren't the good guy,
Speaker 2: you're a really bad guy. Yeah, And it's brilliant and
Speaker 2: you're not likable. You take away all the things that
Speaker 2: make you know it's coming, and it's awful.
Speaker 3: I remember even when watching the first time, I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: should I have like gone more like the Jack Nicholson
Speaker 3: in The Shining.
Speaker 1: Route where it's like, which is a likable psychopath?
Speaker 3: You know, like you know looking you know, not that
Speaker 3: I'm some sort of film whizzow or anything, but like
Speaker 3: when you look at it, it's iconic, but it's still
Speaker 3: Jack Nicholson and it's and it's perfect for that movie.
Speaker 3: But in this one, no, I would just I just yeah,
Speaker 3: I just was making that choice. And again it to
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to do that in all those scenes
Speaker 3: with Anne Hathaway, and that was all Nacho Vigelando, the
Speaker 3: writer director, there's like, you know, brilliant Spanish you know,
Speaker 3: writer director who is an actor himself, who does all
Speaker 3: these great short films. And when I read it, I
Speaker 3: read the script, I was just like, every seven pages
Speaker 3: was something different.
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is nuts. Who is this guy?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: And then I watched the short films like, oh that
Speaker 3: makes sense, you know, like and and he's fantastic. And
Speaker 3: had the movie, you know, been done in Spain or
Speaker 3: a smaller budget or someone like and he didn't sign
Speaker 3: on to it, he would have played the part that
Speaker 3: I played, for sure, and he would have crushed it.
Speaker 3: And so at the end of the day, the same
Speaker 3: thing with Lasso, same thing with like playing on his
Speaker 3: sports team. Same thing putting together a puzzle with your kids.
Speaker 3: You just want to like serve the piece, serve the piece,
Speaker 3: and so like there, I wasn't concerned about one to
Speaker 3: play against the likability thing because I was aware of
Speaker 3: that being out there, and I'd done a handful of
Speaker 3: rom coms like Tumbled Down with Rebecca Hall and Sleeping
Speaker 3: with Other People with Alison Brie and all these badass women.
Speaker 1: So I don't think i'd done Codo Chrome at that point.
Speaker 3: No, But I think that was Nacho being very clever
Speaker 3: and wanting to like, you know, play against that, and
Speaker 3: so I, you know, happily leaned into that with him too.
Speaker 3: And I've always enjoyed hanging out with Ann. I think
Speaker 3: she's just a tremendous artist and just human human being.
Speaker 3: Like she was always a good luck charm of sorts
Speaker 3: for me, and when she hosted start Out Live, always
Speaker 3: got pieces on and always had fun things to write
Speaker 3: for it, because she just reminded me so much of
Speaker 3: you know, women I would have been friends with and
Speaker 3: probably had crushes on if they weren't dating old or
Speaker 3: cooler guys. But you know, so many of the gals that,
Speaker 3: like my sisters, you would dance and do a theater with.
Speaker 3: She just has like that that verb about it that
Speaker 3: was so fun to play against. Because she was in
Speaker 3: her own movie, you know, almost you know, dealing with
Speaker 3: like themes of alcoholism and you know, and I was
Speaker 3: dealing with like this, you know, men's right, activist activist stuff,
Speaker 3: the stuff that became you know that we you know
Speaker 3: was then soon after that widely became defined as toxic masculinity.
Speaker 1: It's kind of we're right in the thick of that.
Speaker 2: Okay, last question, Yeah, I think I'm the same, not just.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I give any any answers in
Speaker 3: the acting, well, they genuinely don't know what yeah, I like, no,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So, for example, listening, and
Speaker 3: the reason why people don't see is because we don't
Speaker 3: edit things that way.
Speaker 1: We don't.
Speaker 3: We don't like on stage, you see the person listening
Speaker 3: all the time. I couldn't take my eyes off them.
Speaker 3: And in movies and television you have to because the
Speaker 3: director goes put it over here, I'll put it over here.
Speaker 1: And it's quiet for a second. Quick Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know some more than others.
Speaker 2: Okay, genuine acting questions and you may not know the answer.
Speaker 2: For example, we do. We're at Wembley and the Men
Speaker 2: City episode and we're filming O day and at the
Speaker 2: end of the day we have to film your phone
Speaker 2: called Start Sharing to say about your dad, and you're
Speaker 2: crying and it's a very powerful scene. But that has
Speaker 2: come at the end of a big day of stuff happening,
Speaker 2: where you've been show running, and so it's not like
Speaker 2: you've spent the day quite preparing for this moment. And
Speaker 2: I think we were actually like pushed for time, so
Speaker 2: I think it's two.
Speaker 3: Takes maybe, so I would get that that would become
Speaker 3: pretty calm. But that was also my doing because.
Speaker 2: I I didn't want to obsess about it.
Speaker 3: Well also, you know, especially any of the speech that
Speaker 3: to give, I usually was learning as I was saying
Speaker 3: and writing and sometimes writing them to you know, just
Speaker 3: weren't polishing, you know, but yeah, sorry.
Speaker 2: But so for a moment like that, which is I
Speaker 2: would argue unusually demanding you hads crying? Did it speak
Speaker 2: as thing? But you've had no daytime to prep for
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've thought about it, et cetera. Do you
Speaker 2: know what you're doing as in walking to the car
Speaker 2: park to film there is there something you're doing to
Speaker 2: switch that on?
Speaker 1: Or is it instinct? You just do it? Like do
Speaker 1: you know?
Speaker 3: I mean I remember it like yeah, because it was
Speaker 3: and we and we did it.
Speaker 1: We did it all in one.
Speaker 3: And then also we also had to nail it because
Speaker 3: Brendan was walking up, because that's what linked into episode nine,
Speaker 3: and we had to have that blocking exactly figured out,
Speaker 3: which is very unusual for us to have something outside
Speaker 3: of a prop but like to actually physically block something
Speaker 3: that we knew it was gonna work.
Speaker 1: And the son was going down like it was. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, but we did have it.
Speaker 3: We did because I knew I knew how the how
Speaker 3: nine how we would show the same moment, you know,
Speaker 3: in nine's reality of following Beard versus staying with Ted.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I mean, sometimes you listen to a song or something
Speaker 3: like just to kind of ooh like ground you. But
Speaker 3: then also just on the other side of everything going well,
Speaker 3: is also everything going as ship, And so I think
Speaker 3: I think I also find myself like I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's mostly a confession scene, you know, where like he's
Speaker 3: he's saying this thing out loud that that is that
Speaker 3: maybe I was just maybe I maybe I just thought
Speaker 3: as corny as that you're just doing, make believe that.
Speaker 3: I'm just literally thinking about what if what if my
Speaker 3: own father would have made that made that decision, how
Speaker 3: many things I would have been deprived? You know, you know,
Speaker 3: loving my father as I do, and knowing how much
Speaker 3: he loves and others love him. I think I think
Speaker 3: it's probably just like, O how sad that would feel.
Speaker 2: But you did that in a very short space of time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, yeah, I just sort of find Yeah, just
Speaker 3: kind of like sit there. And you know, that's one
Speaker 3: of the lovely things about having someone like Chip, you know,
Speaker 3: like who I've worked with time and time again. You know,
Speaker 3: I've known Chip about six months longer than I've no notice,
Speaker 3: you know. So it's like, you know so, but I
Speaker 3: try not to be very indulgent in those moments, you know,
Speaker 3: like you just want eat, but I also an indulgent
Speaker 3: meaning I don't want to like run around. Although you
Speaker 3: go back to Colossal, I do think I was, like
Speaker 3: I was stand off. Is like like there's a certain
Speaker 3: when you play a certain way or being asked it
Speaker 3: can't help it sort of enter your spine. It's like
Speaker 3: it it goes back to that old you know thing
Speaker 3: of answer the phone with a smile, you know, like
Speaker 3: for sales. It's like you trick your brain into into
Speaker 3: these states of mind. And if you and so like Colossal,
Speaker 3: I feel like I like, especially in the back two
Speaker 3: thirds of the movie, it was probably like quiet on set.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just in that all day.
Speaker 3: So I tried to do that, especially with all the
Speaker 3: different hats had to wear at ted lasts, and even
Speaker 3: just the tone of the show, Like I mean, we
Speaker 3: joke about all the time where something silly like you.
Speaker 1: Know, what the hell is this show? You know, like
Speaker 1: just so this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that one, I think, I just yeah, you
Speaker 3: just try to do it on the on the walk
Speaker 3: up to the thing. It's also easier sometimes if you're
Speaker 3: by yourself too, like in scenes, because he already feels
Speaker 3: so isolated and I have to I have to like
Speaker 3: wipe the tears away before you know, Beard comes walking
Speaker 3: up to and sort of like put it away. Not
Speaker 3: that he knows a little something, but he doesn't know
Speaker 3: exactly what right, But he's in his own head so
Speaker 3: like he doesn't quite notice. He's too pissed. He pissed off,
Speaker 3: not pissed. That's the way you folks said when he's
Speaker 3: getting there. But I like, I think it's just like
Speaker 3: a little bit of make believe, a little bit of isolation,
Speaker 3: a little bit of music.
Speaker 1: Do you remember this alngu no?
Speaker 3: Maybe the dance by Garth Brooks. First, the first verse
Speaker 3: is pretty nice looking back. The times needs start, man,
Speaker 3: you know, man, that one always it's lovely because it
Speaker 3: feels like a little bit because I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a great deal of regret there but also this like
Speaker 3: profound release, and he just was like fuck it, Like
Speaker 3: I just watched real pain, like I've always been into that,
Speaker 3: Like you know, like I just watched you know, this
Speaker 3: whole Jamie the thing with his father, you know, and
Speaker 3: Roy hugging Jamie. It's just like and I was I
Speaker 3: couldn't I couldn't move. I could only run away, you know,
Speaker 3: like I feel like my dad did. And so now
Speaker 3: I got to show up at the Gates of Heaven
Speaker 3: and the only person there is doctor Sharon, just like
Speaker 3: dump it all out and say please let me go back,
Speaker 3: let me go back.
Speaker 1: I want to go back. You know. Oh, but here's Beard.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like, you know, all that kind of
Speaker 1: just crying. Now, if I were to.
Speaker 2: Think about that was the day. That was the day
Speaker 2: we did. I remember what we did in the morning.
Speaker 2: But something really really said they you.
Speaker 3: Know, probably all that stuff out in the pitch right
Speaker 3: like where we're like you know, like yeah, like yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 1: And then all the the stuff about the pitch.
Speaker 3: This pitch is small, and you know all that band
Speaker 3: Turst thought that we would do all the time.
Speaker 2: And then suddenly everyone's crying with same, he's dad, and
Speaker 2: then you went, what is this different?
Speaker 3: Folks like in the cast and the crew that were
Speaker 3: really you know, we're emotionally reactive to huge emotional reactions
Speaker 3: to that scene as and and of course you know
Speaker 3: mister Tart coming in, hearing coming in just like crushing
Speaker 3: it and just being like a prize fighters just separate
Speaker 3: himself from on the other side, and just like fry
Speaker 3: So good Man, so good fucking you and philm give
Speaker 3: me a break.
Speaker 1: Give me a break.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's something I've forgotten to tell you, which I
Speaker 2: should have told you. Do you know what, of all
Speaker 2: the people I'm telling this too, I always forget it's mad.
Speaker 2: But like I'm kind of often i'm telling people this
Speaker 2: they're in the middle of something.
Speaker 1: I feel terrible, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I feel like if you're gonna go at least, I mean,
Speaker 2: I think it's never a good time.
Speaker 1: I just got to say it. You you've died. You're dead.
Speaker 1: Dead boy, boy, You're dead.
Speaker 3: That's not where I thought that was going, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I guess that's how it usually happens.
Speaker 1: Right. Did you die? Assassinated? Nice? Assassinated over a misunderstanding?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow, which is the worst way to go. You're mistaken
Speaker 1: for someone else. Oh no, no, understood what I was
Speaker 1: what I was saying.
Speaker 3: But it's assassinated, which I think has a socio political
Speaker 3: like overtones to it.
Speaker 2: It sounds input that you're right, if you're assassinated, you're important,
Speaker 2: I guess.
Speaker 3: But but like so I should have maybe looked up
Speaker 3: what the definition actual what makes assassination assassination? Like not
Speaker 3: all squares are rectangles, but are squares that you know,
Speaker 3: I think you're very important if you're assassinated and it
Speaker 3: probably has world consequences.
Speaker 2: Kill someone probably a crimeate passion. But if it assassinate someone, it's.
Speaker 3: Like, okay, then maybe it was a misunderstanding of who
Speaker 3: I was. Then I thought it was maybe over something
Speaker 3: I said, and like that it became a political like
Speaker 3: mantra for a group. And then then I became the
Speaker 3: focus of it, and they, you know, they took me out.
Speaker 3: But maybe people had me confused, like from the back
Speaker 3: they saw like a sweet lefty jump shot and they're.
Speaker 1: Like, kill them. So you was playing basketball.
Speaker 3: If we're gonna go with that scenario, yeah, absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 3: But I and I think it was probably like outdoors
Speaker 3: and it was probably a sniper. I just wanted to
Speaker 3: be assassinate. I wanted to be me. I wanted to
Speaker 3: be misunderstood something I said and like so.
Speaker 1: You don't even know why. Maybe for years, maybe some.
Speaker 3: Of this ted Lasso swag I got in the wrong hands,
Speaker 3: and my picture on a poster that said believe, and
Speaker 3: maybe people used it to believe the wrong thing, and
Speaker 3: so they came after me.
Speaker 1: This is entirely it's entirely bossed.
Speaker 3: You know how many how many times have you have
Speaker 3: you ever had to buy your own episode of your
Speaker 3: podcast back to get the rights of the idea so
Speaker 3: that you could This is how you own your own catalog.
Speaker 3: And you're not gonna ge swiftied. Yeah, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: that happen. You know you're gonna buy them back and
Speaker 3: then after crack the code, you know, you know you
Speaker 3: can take the boy out of London. I'm the street
Speaker 3: smarts all the way through, even those are cobblestone streets.
Speaker 1: You know, do you do you worry about death?
Speaker 3: I do now with kids, my own death, not theirs,
Speaker 3: I mean to a certain less So now I mean
Speaker 3: the first couple of years when you have kids. Your
Speaker 3: real job is just to keep them alive, but a
Speaker 3: little more now.
Speaker 2: In a in a in aping way.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, just just little moments here and there
Speaker 3: with like, oh god, what if you know? But it's
Speaker 3: not like I haven't given you know, notice, you know,
Speaker 3: our days of the pass code to my phone. Yet
Speaker 3: it's not I'm not that worried about it. I think
Speaker 3: that's when when that's when you when you're really worrying,
Speaker 3: when you give up your you know, your iCloud password.
Speaker 1: Then my mom just sent me her eye like some link.
Speaker 3: It's like, that's like if I if I pass away,
Speaker 3: this is linked all my my digital files.
Speaker 1: I forget the name of it. Have you done your
Speaker 1: Google death plan? No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I haven't see your email if you die,
Speaker 2: mine will if I.
Speaker 1: Die, Yeah, it will explained.
Speaker 3: Oh that's nice, like physically like actually, like anybody that
Speaker 3: has your email just link a little like aneurysm, a
Speaker 3: phone annualism. We're just like, oh my strangers one blank,
Speaker 3: Oh my god, must be done.
Speaker 1: And I hope he was a mistaken for summit as
Speaker 1: in a bus. No, I haven't, I haven't done. I
Speaker 1: haven't I haven't done that. I haven't prepared for my dot.
Speaker 1: Do you have a will? I don't right now. No,
Speaker 1: we're supposed to. We didn't get to it. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very specific about my films. Yeah, individually, give
Speaker 2: them one two weeks person and the rest.
Speaker 3: It seems like I would have gone on that bandwagon though,
Speaker 3: right after Knives out came out right, and that's what
Speaker 3: everybody started. I gotta do a will right, knights out right.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that all about a will being read or
Speaker 3: something like that. Yeah, tell me this. What do you
Speaker 3: think happens when you die?
Speaker 1: Oh? Golly, what does happen?
Speaker 3: Imagine it's a quick combination of very dark and then
Speaker 3: very bright.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: It seems like it seems like there's gonna be either
Speaker 3: strings or woodwinds. Okay, yeah, I mean probably right.
Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't have to brain the holes
Speaker 1: all that. That's why.
Speaker 3: That's why i'd call someone up and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: what does it sound like when you die? And then
Speaker 3: you go something like this, Yeah, that's it. They just
Speaker 3: do it out their keyboard. Like I said, have a magician.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know if it does. I
Speaker 3: mean it's probably different for everybody. I feel like mine
Speaker 3: would start like the sound of that crank that that
Speaker 3: the monkeys. The monkeys play when a monkey cranks a box,
Speaker 3: just before even the music even starts.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, oh, we're doing this that something
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe like that, Yeah, or falling over into an
Speaker 3: abyss who knows, I don't, Yeah, for the ride, whatever
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 1: It's a bit like Sebastian and Kiss the Girls. Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: As I just saw the wings. Oh maybe is that
Speaker 1: from the This is okay? This from the animated Yea,
Speaker 1: I've seen the new one. It's fun. Yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1: I mean it was great.
Speaker 3: Daisy was like a dramatic enough to me telling me
Speaker 3: how it was different from the animated She actually he
Speaker 3: actually saves her. Makes sense why they changed this because
Speaker 3: it does. Yeah, she's sitting there with a little pen light,
Speaker 3: legs crossed, little dickhead. Just enjoy the story.
Speaker 1: She was in it. It was great.
Speaker 3: Well, so you think that's enough to I think there's
Speaker 3: I think there is something else.
Speaker 1: It is true. I like between the times that I've.
Speaker 3: Done mushrooms and having done enough improvisation or found myself
Speaker 3: in quote unquote the zone which I you know, happens.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not like an all the time thing
Speaker 3: for me. When it happens, I notice it. And then
Speaker 3: even with elements of it that have been you know,
Speaker 3: photographed and broadcast like on our show specifically, I know
Speaker 3: that that it's like, oh no, that was that. That
Speaker 3: that was something. It feels like there's something else out
Speaker 3: there at least give that. Yeah, but it feels it
Speaker 3: doesn't feel like this is all just for this. I
Speaker 3: don't think and even to live like this is all
Speaker 3: there is like nihilistic. And I guess maybe what people
Speaker 3: say that there might be squandering. You know, you're shot
Speaker 3: at a legacy, and a legacy doesn't that necessarily mean
Speaker 3: that their statue is built about you or or or
Speaker 3: or even that you were assassinated.
Speaker 1: I think it might just be you can think.
Speaker 3: Think globally, act locally for your legacy, you know, like
Speaker 3: keep it, keep it in the family, keep it in
Speaker 3: the house, keep it within yourself, keep it as an
Speaker 3: example you you let maybe that that vibrates you know,
Speaker 3: beyond you butterfly effect style.
Speaker 2: You know, so it sounds like a nice thing that
Speaker 2: that sounded like a horrible things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure, yeah yeah, no, no, no no, I
Speaker 3: don't think every body has to aspire for a world
Speaker 3: renowned legacy in order for them to have a legacy.
Speaker 2: Well, I got I got news for you. You're right,
Speaker 2: and a lot of this. There is a heaven great,
Speaker 2: and it's filled with your favorite thing. What's your favorite thing?
Speaker 2: Like taco bell, It's a tack. It's a giant it's
Speaker 2: a giant tackle. Everything is TACKI based the seats sort of.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean maybe I should change my answer.
Speaker 2: Then you've made it. You're sat in giant attack guys.
Speaker 2: Very sot. I'm just kidding. You don't mind it. And
Speaker 2: everything's tacky, and they're very excited to see the tackle.
Speaker 2: People they walk around with black Beans's eyes and this
Speaker 2: and this.
Speaker 3: Is again it's kind of a nice just more of
Speaker 3: a namer I think people they're very excited to see
Speaker 3: and yeah, I'm just hungry lord.
Speaker 2: And they talk to you about your life, but they
Speaker 2: want to talk to you about you that through the
Speaker 2: medium of film.
Speaker 1: Oh it's nice.
Speaker 2: The first thing they ask you is what's the first
Speaker 2: film you remember seeing?
Speaker 3: Now, look, you send this questionnaire. You know, right, and
Speaker 3: just to the people who have a peek behind the curtain.
Speaker 3: And at the end of that questionnaire, you you say,
Speaker 3: don't don't you dare say these fucking movies because everybody.
Speaker 2: Says, for the record, it's been a while since people
Speaker 2: have said these movies on that list, so that list
Speaker 2: is becoming you can say these movies.
Speaker 3: I have to say this movie because it's it's it
Speaker 3: is literally the first one I remember, but it was
Speaker 3: Mary Poppins, Mary Poppins in the theaters. Now we obviously
Speaker 3: didn't see it when it came out because it came
Speaker 3: out like in the sixties, right, But we were in Chicago,
Speaker 3: and you know, there were thes and then the older
Speaker 3: cousins around our age with the Muldoones. Aaron is the
Speaker 3: oldest girl, then me, then Kelly, then my sister Kristen,
Speaker 3: then Ryan and then Lindsey. Like those are our two
Speaker 3: families combined, you know, as far but in the in
Speaker 3: the in the process or it's like it's like Marty
Speaker 3: had a kid, Kathy had a kid.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some sibling rivalry there that I don't know.
Speaker 3: But they went boom boom boom, boom boom for for
Speaker 3: a while. I remember being at my nana's house. Yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly right, and we went to remember Marty saying, hey,
Speaker 3: do you guys want to go see Mary Poppins? And
Speaker 3: all three of them were like yeah, and me and
Speaker 3: I didn't like not knowing what that?
Speaker 1: What is? What is this Mary Poppins.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, it's a movie, it's great movie, and okay, great,
Speaker 3: we go see it and yeah, knock my socks off.
Speaker 3: I mean I must have been five, like maybe maybe
Speaker 3: Lindsay wasn't even old enough. Maybe it was just me, Aaron, Kristen,
Speaker 3: and Kelly, because I don't think Ryan and Lindsey would
Speaker 3: have been old enough at this point, because I know
Speaker 3: I remember having like an ET birthday party, so like
Speaker 3: that I would have seen and like I saw a
Speaker 3: Return of the Jedi in the theater, So that's all
Speaker 3: in my early eighties. So this had to be like
Speaker 3: maybe like seventy nine or even eighty. I mean, I
Speaker 3: guess it could be up to when a Jedi come
Speaker 3: out eighty three, eighty two for ET. So I just
Speaker 3: had to be like, yeah, probably five or six would
Speaker 3: be my guest. And we went to we want to
Speaker 3: go see it? And to see it on the big
Speaker 3: screen and then knew all the songs, learned all the songs,
Speaker 3: bought the album, like same way I am with movies
Speaker 3: now if I respond to him, or at least you know,
Speaker 3: have been throughout my life.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Mary Poppins is fucking phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I find it quite devastating, and having watched it again recently,
Speaker 2: it does make me sad that at the end the
Speaker 2: dad missed the banks, he quits his job to live
Speaker 2: life with his children, and within twelve hours, as the
Speaker 2: film is ending, someone in the bank says, it was
Speaker 2: amazing what you did.
Speaker 1: Have a promotion, and he sucks straight back into the missing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but with a different with a different point of view.
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna he's gonna leave it five at four
Speaker 3: fifty nine. He's got more responsibility, he's got he's got now,
Speaker 3: he's got two executive assistants. You think, oh, especially back
Speaker 3: then he's working late. Oh my gosh, he's two far
Speaker 3: more talented, capable women looking after him at his job. Yeah,
Speaker 3: before Joan and Peggy even existed in the minds of
Speaker 3: you know men, these are women that weren't even allowed
Speaker 3: to vote, so like, yeah, so they were suffraging the
Speaker 3: suffer jets at the bank on his beat to make
Speaker 3: sure he's okay, that he can get out. Now they're
Speaker 3: still staying untill nine or ten. No, I mean that's
Speaker 3: you know, that's about that.
Speaker 1: That's you know, like that's the spin up. I'm very
Speaker 1: happy to.
Speaker 3: What absolutely it's got to be cooking again this podcast. Hell,
Speaker 3: you know, Bob Iger, we've this wild be the we're
Speaker 3: allowed to even talk about these ideas.
Speaker 2: Strike we can talk don't make any nice. What is
Speaker 2: the film that scheduled the most? Do you like?
Speaker 1: I do?
Speaker 3: All right, I prefer the comedy version of fear, like
Speaker 3: the Surprise there. But I don't know if I do
Speaker 3: like being I don't think I do. Actually, you don't
Speaker 3: like extreme stuff. I don't like like you know, like
Speaker 3: like like the stuff you've been doing recently.
Speaker 1: Know not because I'm afraid of dying.
Speaker 3: I think I'm just like, I mean, I guess it
Speaker 3: probably is ultimately, but like it just feels like I
Speaker 3: don't like, I don't I don't want to be with
Speaker 3: that point one percent you know of something where you
Speaker 3: know I already can't smell you know, he's so great
Speaker 3: and hearing. I've you know, gone too many concert the hut,
Speaker 3: you know, like just down the taste, touch and touch.
Speaker 3: I want to keep touch. I don't want to lose
Speaker 3: my sense of touch, you know. Like all the other
Speaker 3: ones are shot. They're I'm operating it like seventy five
Speaker 3: percent at full capacity. They've attrophied like a you know,
Speaker 3: like an iPhone battery, planned obsolescence.
Speaker 1: That's what I am as a human.
Speaker 3: But but it's funny because you know, I've recently was
Speaker 3: when we were writing season three, when we were here,
Speaker 3: so I've been twenty twenty one. Yeah, yeah, I was
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. We were writing, and then we filmed
Speaker 3: it all during twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now it's twenty twenty three. I know, I know
Speaker 1: what's what I mean, keeps cooking.
Speaker 3: I downloaded The Village the Resident, an Evil game, and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, this would be fun. I'll play
Speaker 3: it like on Halloween. I'd lasted five minutes. I go,
Speaker 3: what am I doing? This is horrible. I just downloaded
Speaker 3: a game for the PS five called The Corey.
Speaker 1: Do you know about this game?
Speaker 3: I recommend it to you because I think we can
Speaker 3: all get in there and it's basically like a early
Speaker 3: two thousands like horror movie, but you make choices like
Speaker 3: almost like I choose your own adventure thing.
Speaker 1: But it looks fantastic.
Speaker 3: Otis and I played in the Broad Daylight, you know,
Speaker 3: like like one o'clock in the afternoon, just the first
Speaker 3: you know, beginning part. You know, a guy and a
Speaker 3: gal who are on their way up to this camp
Speaker 3: where they're going to be counselors for the you know,
Speaker 3: the summer. I'm not gonna spoil anything for you, but
Speaker 3: they get murdered. No, I don't know, I don't that's
Speaker 3: open ended, you know. And then it goes to credits
Speaker 3: and you're just like, this is great, but it was frightening.
Speaker 3: And Otis and I were both like and I was
Speaker 3: just like, make sure you lean on me, so I
Speaker 3: know you're here, Okay, you lean on me. We're just like,
Speaker 3: you know, sitting there well, you know, daisies in the
Speaker 3: pool and splits splashing around my sisters. But yeah, so
Speaker 3: I also remember going to hunted houses as a kid,
Speaker 3: like in high school. Did they have those over there?
Speaker 3: But because I mean Jack the Ripper, it seems like
Speaker 3: they probably do more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got yeah, we had in the London Dungeon,
Speaker 2: you had the right scary bit.
Speaker 3: We had like you know, legit haunted houses that'd be
Speaker 3: that'd be seasoned, only open around Halloween time. And we
Speaker 3: had a great area called like the what was it
Speaker 3: called the West Bottoms or something like that, where all
Speaker 3: these different haunted houses would be set up at the
Speaker 3: warehouse district in Kansas City, and one was called the
Speaker 3: Edge of Hell, you know, and they'd have slides in
Speaker 3: them and stuff like that, or you know, you know,
Speaker 3: people chasing you with chainsaws without the chains on them
Speaker 3: and all that around the noise. And I would go
Speaker 3: through them because everybody go through them, but I would
Speaker 3: usually just bury my head in the person in front
Speaker 3: of me and just closed my eyes. And I realized,
Speaker 3: if you close your eyes, not as scary, and the
Speaker 3: thing that removes all fear and notice was like.
Speaker 1: Let's play it again. Let's keep playing it, but let's
Speaker 1: turn the sound off. You turn the sound off.
Speaker 3: It's like ladi da la daia da. So you know,
Speaker 3: their headphones weren't a thing as much of a thing now,
Speaker 3: you know. And I wouldn't have thought it earplugs because I
Speaker 3: wanted to be able to hear someone say watch out.
Speaker 1: Going through those haunted houses.
Speaker 3: But yeah, but the movie I picked, you know, at
Speaker 3: two different points in my life.
Speaker 1: Well, the one I wrote is The Exorcist.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know it's classic, but there's something about
Speaker 3: that journey of normal life into something something happened and
Speaker 3: then it wasn't It was supernatural, but it wasn't like
Speaker 3: Freddy or it wasn't Jason.
Speaker 1: It was like this little girl and it was happening
Speaker 1: in here.
Speaker 3: And it also dealt with like, you know, good and
Speaker 3: evil and priests and people that I was familiar with
Speaker 3: at at my church. And you know, we grew up
Speaker 3: a Catholic going to a Catholic church and then went
Speaker 3: to Catholic school for a few years, and so all
Speaker 3: that icronography turned on it's on its head if you will,
Speaker 3: or upside down more often.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really really got me. And I loved the book too.
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, I haven't read a ton and
Speaker 3: ton of books in my life, but like that was
Speaker 3: one that like just like really really got me too.
Speaker 1: That it's really scary to exist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's and I know it's almost cliche,
Speaker 3: but that's it's that good and to have so many
Speaker 3: derivative you know, films come out of it. Sequels, yes,
Speaker 3: but also things set in that world in realm, like yeah,
Speaker 3: you know those you.
Speaker 1: Know things.
Speaker 2: Something it's a film. Maybe we'll come back to it.
Speaker 2: When you hopefully mentioned the film that you said you
Speaker 2: might mention. But what the extra specific film, Yeah. What
Speaker 2: the extoss has, which I think I'm becoming more and
Speaker 2: more obsessive, is it's got such atmosphere. Its atmosphere in
Speaker 2: a way that not all films has something to do
Speaker 2: with sound. And it's a lot of what Spielberg used
Speaker 2: to do in like his seventies films, like he doesn't
Speaker 2: eat and he does in yeah, but where it's like sound.
Speaker 2: But also I think there's a sense of improving with
Speaker 2: the actors, Like everything feels pretty real. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 2: very grounded and full.
Speaker 1: The whole world feels you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Just yeah, just felt very real and lived in like that.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of the reason that scared me
Speaker 3: so much. And then when I started to like get
Speaker 3: into movies and figure out and read about things, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: some of the stuff that when freaking pulled off during
Speaker 3: that during nothing sounded equally as frightening. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm just like, wow, that's crazy. You know there are things, Yeah,
Speaker 3: there are things.
Speaker 1: You read it. You can't do that. No, you shouldn
Speaker 1: have done it. Then why could you do it that?
Speaker 3: Why could you fire a gun next to a little
Speaker 3: girl's head?
Speaker 1: Is good? A reaction? You so bragging about you now
Speaker 1: that it's great? They really twisted that girl's little girl's
Speaker 1: neck all the way around.
Speaker 3: I know they put a little ball bearing like got
Speaker 3: rid of like one of a vertebrae put in a
Speaker 3: ball bearing.
Speaker 1: You know this, and what was the movie?
Speaker 3: I'm so so I'll always be curious about ones that
Speaker 3: I may have, like because when you sit down with us, us,
Speaker 3: you know, having these as we've had We've almost done
Speaker 3: this podcast and conversation, you know, throughout our you know,
Speaker 3: the last three years knowing each other and working together
Speaker 3: so much, that would like, I'd be curious what the
Speaker 3: other one.
Speaker 2: Is doesn't come up and it's gonna bubby for the
Speaker 2: rest of this time, just wanting that was Afraid of
Speaker 2: No as Atmosphere?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I love that movie and
Speaker 3: I just rewatched that one, so it's such a great
Speaker 3: I mean it just feels real. Yeah, just like lived
Speaker 3: in and a broad Strokes kind of magically. It's a
Speaker 3: bit speel bag. Yeah, I would imagine you. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean I'm trying to I don't think I wrote
Speaker 3: it down, but I didn't.
Speaker 1: I don't think I slotted in questions yet.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I love that movie so much that I've
Speaker 3: downloaded a number of chess apps on my phone. No,
Speaker 3: but Otis and I started playing again. Him and Daisy
Speaker 3: were taking classes. And he's not he's not a prodigy,
Speaker 3: but he but he is.
Speaker 1: He is. He is good at it.
Speaker 3: And he had this amazing teacher in Brooklyn who would
Speaker 3: come to the house and teach the game is like
Speaker 3: a story and and and yeah, he remembers all of it.
Speaker 1: And so it's been but the kids.
Speaker 3: You know, I watched that with Otis and Daisy days
Speaker 3: dipped out because she got really tired. We started too late.
Speaker 3: She missed the last half hour. But Otis was riveted
Speaker 3: by it. And you know, I think it's so profound
Speaker 3: and I think had a tremendous influence, unknowingly on our show.
Speaker 1: You know, all that father and son stuff and about
Speaker 1: being excellent. I mean, not necessarily so much of it,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: I think there's so many interesting themes and such a
Speaker 3: badass cast of people we didn't know yet, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and isn't it like.
Speaker 2: Yeah to any words yesterday and I was like, it's
Speaker 2: something like they don't make films like this anymore, Like i'veen,
Speaker 2: there's something kind of classical storytelling about it. It's a
Speaker 2: bit it's a bit magical in the way it's directed
Speaker 2: because of this child's I view, But it was always
Speaker 2: so beautiful and emotional grounded, and I.
Speaker 1: Don't know a big thing.
Speaker 3: It would be an independent movie here now and you
Speaker 3: wouldn't be able to get like it feels epic and no,
Speaker 3: I mean it was that Steve Sallien's first day, the
Speaker 3: first one he directed, I believe.
Speaker 2: So yeah, anyway, that's not answering any of your questions.
Speaker 2: So what is the film that made you cry the most?
Speaker 1: I mean recently, it's been It's a wonderful life.
Speaker 3: I just think that the movie is I think the
Speaker 3: movie is so perfect, you know, like, and people hated
Speaker 3: it when it first came out. Was one of those
Speaker 3: like Wizard of Oz and you know, like all those
Speaker 3: you know things, but that I think that movie is
Speaker 3: so clever and and each each year i've watched it,
Speaker 3: especially since becoming apparent, Yeah, more and more profound and correct,
Speaker 3: you know. At the same time. You know, another big
Speaker 3: one that came out. I remember watching it, and it
Speaker 3: may have been the time and place, but it still
Speaker 3: knocks me out.
Speaker 1: Is Soul as well. Soul Soul really.
Speaker 3: Levels me like that, Like maybe that that I remember
Speaker 3: timing of that if that would have been, because there's
Speaker 3: a piece of music there that I called Epiphany that
Speaker 3: I listened to all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, came out Christmas Day, Yeah, Christmas Day twenty one
Speaker 2: when we write twenty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that, yeah Christmas. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I probably may have listened to that piece, but
Speaker 3: probably not because that piece, like it makes me sad, hopeful,
Speaker 3: sad versus what was probably needed for that scene and
Speaker 3: that we were talking about earlier with you know, conn
Speaker 3: Doctor Sharon. But that being said, those yeah, those two movies,
Speaker 3: and they're I mean, in a weird way, very similar. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're not in a weird way probably intentional knowing the
Speaker 3: folks of PickStar, not knowing them, but knowing of them.
Speaker 2: I've watched The Epiphany and so many times because.
Speaker 1: The scene makes me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's as a reconnects me to well that magic
Speaker 2: when I feel sad, like I really I think it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's up there with the profound scenes.
Speaker 3: Absolutely no, I mean, and it's so just a bad leaves,
Speaker 3: just a little helicopter, little helicopter seats, you know, through
Speaker 3: the good fortune of working like with talents music folks,
Speaker 3: they say musicians, but I think music folks sounds sounds
Speaker 3: like I know him more. But like with Tom how
Speaker 3: you know it does you know our score? And and
Speaker 3: Hannah wanting him, you know, asking asking why certain notes
Speaker 3: evoke these like why does this make me cry?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know the story of tonight.
Speaker 3: I remember Hannah and I took you know, her daughter
Speaker 3: and notice some days to go see Hamilton, and I
Speaker 3: was like that that moment.
Speaker 1: I mean, dear Theodore is an easy piece. I get
Speaker 1: why that makes me cry?
Speaker 3: Like that's you know, like made me cry, you know,
Speaker 3: like before you know, I haven't understood, but the story
Speaker 3: of tonight like gets me every time. And and she's
Speaker 3: like and Hannah, like I like the way she just crises,
Speaker 3: Like it's just there's they just they're crunchy notes. There's
Speaker 3: crunchy notes, and I feel like there's knowing so that
Speaker 3: in epiphany, but there's also the structure of it, because
Speaker 3: that's what with Tom that I was asking.
Speaker 1: I go, why they dangle this?
Speaker 3: And then it just like stops for a second, and
Speaker 3: then it like then when it comes tumbling down like
Speaker 3: into the endto the actual what I would assume, you know,
Speaker 3: would be the epiphany.
Speaker 1: And I don't have it tied to the visual like
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 3: I'm only listening to the music and trying to like
Speaker 3: make sense of that, you know, not that either of
Speaker 3: us are wrong, but but but he's just like, you know,
Speaker 3: and then he couldn't quite articulate it. But but I
Speaker 3: think he thought I was trying to give a note
Speaker 3: for like the score on.
Speaker 1: The show, and I wasn't. I was just talking about it.
Speaker 1: He goes, do you want me to get you in
Speaker 1: touch with that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, you know you're fantastic. I love what
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to ask you, like it's the same thing
Speaker 3: that people that I, you know, I've been partners with
Speaker 3: that when not having a sense of smell, well, they'll
Speaker 3: try to describe to me what something smells like, you know,
Speaker 3: through words, you know, like it's never had a sense,
Speaker 3: you know, not that I remember, no, But Daisy does
Speaker 3: that now, like she'll try to describe what something smells
Speaker 3: like to me, and you know, you know the fella
Speaker 3: that walked. I mean today the lobby has a very
Speaker 3: floral smell. Do I want to get into this now smell?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to burden him with with
Speaker 1: with that because I don't know, I don't know much
Speaker 1: about him.
Speaker 2: Do you think having too much doduct in mathematic?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I'm only thinking this now because I do believe we
Speaker 2: have within a storytelling structure.
Speaker 3: Yea natural agree, Yeah, that's the heroes, myth and all that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's in there more now than ever. Why these things
Speaker 3: are satisfied, Why we like stories, why we need them.
Speaker 2: And that's a music kind of the same thing in
Speaker 2: terms of what it does a thing, and you're you
Speaker 2: don't quite get it, but when it resolves, I.
Speaker 3: Think, so that's I mean, it's just two guys that
Speaker 3: don't really know what they're talking about. And people listen
Speaker 3: to this, you'll shot you're putting some Absolutely, I mean
Speaker 3: it's all in there. I think that is why I
Speaker 3: truly believe there's genius in all of us. It just
Speaker 3: has to be nurtured and has to be calibrated and
Speaker 3: has to be curated like like, and it's the heartbreaking
Speaker 3: thing about growing up and is that sometimes you don't
Speaker 3: find that groove you know or not, or you don't
Speaker 3: have the opportunity to find that groove, which is you
Speaker 3: know or or or someone removes that opportunity from you. Like,
Speaker 3: but yeah, I think it's all connected. I think you know, nature, music, stories,
Speaker 3: you know the circle of life absolutely, and I think
Speaker 3: it is satisfying because and and it also feels like
Speaker 3: it can it can feel the opposite of that and
Speaker 3: feel unsatisfying if it but maybe it's supposed to feel
Speaker 3: that way. Like we've we've messed with stories so much.
Speaker 3: I remember feeling like it's being so liberating, like the
Speaker 3: notion of Joseph Campbell's like Heroes Journey and him dissecting
Speaker 3: you know, thousands of years of stories into like these
Speaker 3: like sign posts, and people could be like, oh, it's
Speaker 3: so cynical, But I never saw it that way. I
Speaker 3: never saw us said, feels like story structure like as
Speaker 3: being cynical or like, you know, thirty pages, sixty pages,
Speaker 3: thirty pages. I was just like, no, that's just no,
Speaker 3: one's inventing a new piano. Like it's the same piano
Speaker 3: that you know, your man Billy Joel's playing, my man
Speaker 3: Ben Foles, the same one. Amadeus is playing too many notes,
Speaker 3: he used too many notes, he was. That's just get
Speaker 3: a little smart at a little kid, you know, dicking
Speaker 3: around magic flu Like, come on, man, let's wr the
Speaker 3: regular flute. Flute can be magic onto itself. Doesn't be
Speaker 3: a magic flue anyway, don't even going. But but like
Speaker 3: I think that's so neat. You know that you don't
Speaker 3: have to reinvent the wheel so much as make the
Speaker 3: wheel personal to you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's always satisfying when it's done. Such a
Speaker 2: populous at the beginning is like ignore the code, you know,
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 1: It does it all? Yeah?
Speaker 3: They're all there, yeah, and it's what yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: and and it's but it is about putting those personal
Speaker 3: slot those slot those things in there. And that's obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, certain about a Fisher true story. Joshua Waite
Speaker 3: skin and his father is a sports writer like that
Speaker 3: the father wrote the book, and then Steve's allien who's
Speaker 3: just capable of creating story or finding story within a scenario.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, it's brilliant. I love it.
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean Rocky first, Rocky ends almost
Speaker 3: the exact same way as you, right to the fight,
Speaker 3: just like Karate Kid, John Avilton.
Speaker 1: It's like fantastic. I don't need anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't need to see what happens in the
Speaker 3: parking lot, you know, like you won Johnny Game the trophy?
Speaker 1: Congrats?
Speaker 3: Man, are you kidding me? You know, Apollo creeping like
Speaker 3: a good job. I'm like, what, there's a little compliment
Speaker 3: from your nemesis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, who knows? Interested? All right, what's the film that
Speaker 2: you love? It's not critically explained. Nice people that like it?
Speaker 2: You love it?
Speaker 1: Do you know? My answer to no, you don't.
Speaker 3: I thought maybe it would have because because I feel
Speaker 3: like I talked about it bringing up a lot and
Speaker 3: I had to go back and look, not recently, but.
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 3: It's not as shut no, but but it's from the hip,
Speaker 3: oh ship from the hip. Yeah, but John Nelson, you know,
Speaker 3: written by directed by I forget the fellow that directed
Speaker 3: the same guy that directed Christmas Story, you know, which
Speaker 3: which is a movie that I love as well. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: my my my go to Christmas Holiday trilogy is It's
Speaker 3: More for Life Christmas Story and Elf like, oh nice,
Speaker 3: satisfying everything, everything's in the clear.
Speaker 1: After that, everything's gravy. But I loved it.
Speaker 3: Was written by David Kelly, you know, before before he
Speaker 3: had at least as far as I know, before he had,
Speaker 3: you know, created you know, all these incredible, you know,
Speaker 3: long running television shows, and.
Speaker 1: I just love it.
Speaker 3: I remember seeing it. I have visions of seeing in
Speaker 3: the theater, but maybe I just watched it a ton
Speaker 3: of times.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was lucky my folks had HBO growing up, so
Speaker 3: I got to watch all these movies like over and
Speaker 3: over and over, you know, and that one I just loved.
Speaker 3: He's you know, really confident, confident lawyer, a young, young
Speaker 3: legal brain who wants to do trial law but isn't
Speaker 3: allowed to because of the bureaucracy. But then finnageles away
Speaker 3: into it, who then creates a case and it gets
Speaker 3: you know, press and all that. And yet there's some
Speaker 3: you know, like there's so many good plots in it.
Speaker 3: There's so many good twists throughout, and John Hurt plays this,
Speaker 3: you know guy who I had Metaphorically, I could say
Speaker 3: it was almost like a Robert Durst type character who
Speaker 3: was like, you know, brilliant but more loquacious, more aerodyite
Speaker 3: than the Robert Durst from what I remember from the documentary.
Speaker 3: And he brings him on because this guy wanted, you know,
Speaker 3: he won this other case, the civil case about this
Speaker 3: guy punching this other guy, and he doesn't know the
Speaker 3: machinations that led to him winning that case. But this
Speaker 3: guy wants to defend him, and he finds out, you know,
Speaker 3: that this guy might actually have murdered this this woman,
Speaker 3: and so now he's in this you know, the scruples
Speaker 3: and the and the oath that he took of who
Speaker 3: do I serve the law or my client? And yeah,
Speaker 3: I just remember as a kid just loving it, and
Speaker 3: I've rewatched it and I still love it.
Speaker 1: I still love it bashly.
Speaker 3: And it's like you know, like three point seven on
Speaker 3: IMDb or something, you know, like people were like, no
Speaker 3: no interest, But I think I think it's fucking great, excellent,
Speaker 3: and I love that it's it has a connection to
Speaker 3: one that I do one hundred percent feel the same
Speaker 3: way with you Greece too, because David Kelly Michelle Pfeiffer.
Speaker 1: In Wedded Bliss for many Moons. Now, what a coup
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Right, well a couple, what a couple, the great Ingo
Speaker 3: Mango and maybe I imagine from the great TV rights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what you want to kiss?
Speaker 4: Just kissing for the rest of their lives. And we
Speaker 4: don't know anything other kids. We don't know anything about,
Speaker 4: you know, like the kissing. Yeah, that's it. Maybe they're
Speaker 4: maybe they haven't made kids. Can you make kids from kissing?
Speaker 4: They've made lots of kiss froissing.
Speaker 3: That's the kids, man, right, meaningful kissing.
Speaker 2: Imagine getting to kiss yourself I have the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. Yeah, and be one of the greatest TV.
Speaker 3: Rights and I have written from the hip, yeah, and
Speaker 3: and being that prolific, like good on them. But when
Speaker 3: I saw Greece too, I was like, that's another one
Speaker 3: that I do love genuinely. And that's one hundred percent
Speaker 3: because watching it over and over on cable with my sisters,
Speaker 3: he's knew every song.
Speaker 1: It blows the first one out of the water. I
Speaker 1: don't you you've You've covered this one.
Speaker 2: Hundred times, but you can cover it a bit because
Speaker 2: people they notice.
Speaker 1: It's great. Okay, what is the film you used to love?
Speaker 2: You loved it very much, voiced it recently, and you
Speaker 2: do not like anyone It might be the film film
Speaker 2: is fine, but you've changed, Like what's that film?
Speaker 1: Golden Child? Wow? Yeah, so is Eddie Murphy coming.
Speaker 3: Off the sweet sweet high of at least Beverly Hills Cop,
Speaker 3: which is you know, in my top five or ten,
Speaker 3: depending on you know, my moods, I guess, or what
Speaker 3: someone's asked me in the list. But yeah, the Golden Child,
Speaker 3: it just I loved it grown up because I loved
Speaker 3: and still love Eddie Murphy. Like I just thought he
Speaker 3: was just the funniest, coolest guy, and he he was
Speaker 3: kind of this archetype and a lot of movies back
Speaker 3: then were and to a certain degree, like maybe even
Speaker 3: you know, ted Laso is rooted in this a little
Speaker 3: bit where they don't change much, you know, like everything
Speaker 3: changes around them, Like Beverly Hill's Cop is the example
Speaker 3: I give. Like the actual Folid doesn't really change much
Speaker 3: from minute one to minute you know, one hundred or whatever.
Speaker 3: He changes the entire Beverly Hills Police Dement Police Department,
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, exactly, you know, but Paris Bueler kind
Speaker 3: of feels like that, like bugs Bunny is kind of
Speaker 3: like they always felt like that, kind of like impish,
Speaker 3: and they all had that same fun move of like
Speaker 3: shape shifting to get get into a Doric into a
Speaker 3: club into a you know, you know, a hunting club
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know, like and yet when I rewatched it,
Speaker 3: and it's been a few years since I rewatched it,
Speaker 3: I didn't love it in the same way that I
Speaker 3: love Beverly Hill's Cop like it. The story for me
Speaker 3: is just kind of like a little nuts And if
Speaker 3: I were to distill it's nothing, you know, it's no
Speaker 3: single you know, person's fault or you know, something like that.
Speaker 3: It's it almost ties back to why I love a
Speaker 3: Sventura one, but I didn't love Asponsura two, which was
Speaker 3: like I understood the rules of society that that a
Speaker 3: Spentua was violating, you know, in one and two when
Speaker 3: you put him in like a tribe that I don't know,
Speaker 3: I can understand the rules, but it's not doesn't have
Speaker 3: the same wish fulfillment, you know, him coming out of
Speaker 3: a bathroom and being drenched around a bunch of people
Speaker 3: in tuxedos and saying don't do not go in there
Speaker 3: is hilarious to me. Him you know, coming out of
Speaker 3: a hippopotamusis butt or something like that. I was kind
Speaker 3: of like, I was like, I see what they're going for,
Speaker 3: but it's not as silly. It's it's more silly to
Speaker 3: me than than funny, you know, And I don't know
Speaker 3: silly me laugh as much as funny. But yeah, it's
Speaker 3: Golden Child feels like a little little nuts and yet
Speaker 3: there's still lines that I absolutely like love in moments
Speaker 3: I love. They're just tied together very very loosely. That
Speaker 3: I did not care about one or the other doesn't
Speaker 3: mean I wouldn't watch it again. But I used to
Speaker 3: have that poster up in my room. Yeah, because like
Speaker 3: there are video stores and in my town, like you
Speaker 3: could there be a poster up when the thing was
Speaker 3: coming out. I mean they put a little posted, know
Speaker 3: in the back, Hey could I have that? When you
Speaker 3: take it down? And they you know, rotate them every
Speaker 3: two weeks. So yeah, I had lots of movie posters.
Speaker 3: I'd for the thirteenth You know number six, which was
Speaker 3: Jason lives on a big you know, I was like,
Speaker 3: I gotta have that. My name is Jameson. You know,
Speaker 3: I've never seen the movie. I never watched any of them,
Speaker 3: but I was just like, yeah, you know, this is
Speaker 3: my name. But Golden Child was was was one of
Speaker 3: those posters I.
Speaker 2: Had and Kunji's are weird, like, let's sort of make
Speaker 2: Beverly Hills Cop and didn't energize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess, yeah, it makes sense. I mean, it
Speaker 3: makes sense from a business perspective. It just it just
Speaker 3: wasn't as because I think I watched it right after
Speaker 3: kind of reigniting my love and understanding of why I
Speaker 3: love Beverley Hills Cop. And so I say, well, let
Speaker 3: me go back and watch this because training Place is badass,
Speaker 3: you know for eight hours.
Speaker 1: Great, But yeah, that one.
Speaker 3: I mean, I like Beverly Those Cop two again because
Speaker 3: I've watched it a ton of times on cable, and
Speaker 3: yet yeah, yeah, the Golden chowd doesn't doesn't doesn't do
Speaker 3: it for me anymore.
Speaker 1: Have you tell Daddy Matthew that you love him? No?
Speaker 3: I mean it was implied when I got to say
Speaker 3: I've only met him once said the Sire Live fortieth
Speaker 3: Did you do it with your eyes? I did it
Speaker 3: with my hand and shook shook his hand. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I said, I said very sincere thing to him, and
Speaker 3: then made him laugh by making a joke because he
Speaker 3: was standing backstage with Chris Rock, who I'm friendly with.
Speaker 3: But I went up to him and I just said
Speaker 3: I was dressed in like the red jumpsuit and what
Speaker 3: up with that? I can't remember. I think I had
Speaker 3: just done it. No, I think I was about to
Speaker 3: go up there and do it. But Bill Murray. This
Speaker 3: is literally how Bill Murray had just walked by me
Speaker 3: and said a nice thing about where the miller's all right?
Speaker 3: And I felt like, oh my gosh, like hoof. It
Speaker 3: was like he was he was complimentary about the movie.
Speaker 3: And I remember my friend Rebecca standing right next to me. Well,
Speaker 3: Bill said what he said and he and I go,
Speaker 3: thank you. I'm being serious, I fucking hope so. And
Speaker 3: then and then he laughed and he walks off, and
Speaker 3: I looked for re back. I go, please remind me
Speaker 3: of all that because I'm gonna forget that, like probably
Speaker 3: like that was a lot, and she said, well that
Speaker 3: really happened then I go around the corner and there's
Speaker 3: Chris and you staying with Eddie Murphy do one up
Speaker 3: to him. I go, I go, hey, miss Murphy, my
Speaker 3: name is Jason Segus. I was on the show for you.
Speaker 1: I know you are. I go, I go, I just
Speaker 1: want to let you know. I'm so happy that you're here.
Speaker 3: This place wouldn't be here, you know, none of us
Speaker 3: post your generation would have got to do it, like
Speaker 3: for everything that you did when you're on the show
Speaker 3: and for the show, and uh yeah, it's just an
Speaker 3: honor to media. He goes, thanks man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: And I go, and you are to Chris, you know
Speaker 3: that made that laugh. And then I just go, hey,
Speaker 3: Mark Landsman, we all have the same business manager.
Speaker 1: Then that was it. Then I got out of there
Speaker 1: like a blackjack dealer. Just clap, clap, hands up, show
Speaker 1: both sides, and then.
Speaker 3: Get out with a pocket full of chips without anybody knows.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's good. It was great. It was It
Speaker 1: was so thrilling. It was so thrilling.
Speaker 3: And then I have a great picture that I took
Speaker 3: of Will Ferrell and Eddie talking to each other at
Speaker 3: good night.
Speaker 1: So it's just like there's two of my absolute.
Speaker 3: Favorite performances of all time, you know, and uh, and
Speaker 3: here's me creeping.
Speaker 1: I'm not in the photo. It's just me. It's just
Speaker 1: me thinking. I don't know, I want to screw that
Speaker 1: thing up.
Speaker 2: What is the film that means? The Mice to you
Speaker 2: might not necessarily be a good film, but it will
Speaker 2: always be special for you because of the experience you
Speaker 2: had around seeing it.
Speaker 3: Well, literally as I look at it here, I mean
Speaker 3: I I mean, there's several that come to mind that
Speaker 3: it's funny, because there's one right underneath it that makes
Speaker 3: me think of that too, and then there's one a
Speaker 3: little bit later that I think of. Three come to mind,
Speaker 3: but the one that I chose and here as Citizen Kane,
Speaker 3: and the experience behind it was and I'm sure I
Speaker 3: talked about elements of this like in the writer's room.
Speaker 3: So I apologize for, you know, being redundant, but like them,
Speaker 3: that's true.
Speaker 1: I forget that, you forget that we're recording this at
Speaker 1: some point.
Speaker 3: But so senior y in high school, I failed first
Speaker 3: semester and second semester. Second semester I had to go
Speaker 3: to summer school in order to graduate from from high
Speaker 3: school first semester. I had to go to night school
Speaker 3: all during second semester, like you know, like every you know, Tuesday,
Speaker 3: every Tuesday night for you know, three hours or something.
Speaker 1: Like that, and we.
Speaker 3: Or to just I mean it's basically just punishment, like
Speaker 3: I mean no, because it was completely different class work.
Speaker 3: You know, it was almost like you know, like the
Speaker 3: teacher was allowed to like freestyle. It was almost like
Speaker 3: having a substitute. You know, he's doing three hours. He
Speaker 3: probably had other classes he was doing.
Speaker 1: I assume.
Speaker 3: I don't know if he was a teacher at another
Speaker 3: school or anything like that. But he's a young fellow.
Speaker 3: His name is Brett Singer, and he knows this. He
Speaker 3: and I stay in touch now and he teaches journalism
Speaker 3: and and I'm sure it's still film and yeah, what's
Speaker 3: that Brett Singer? Yeah, Breton. Actually, if I think it's
Speaker 3: totally b R E T T O N.
Speaker 1: Is that what my name is? Maybe? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if if if, oh, that's a good point,
Speaker 3: I want it is Breton Bretton. But he goes by
Speaker 3: Bret Least that's what I have my fild. But he's
Speaker 3: mister singer back then, so you know, which is a
Speaker 3: great name.
Speaker 1: But he he would.
Speaker 3: You know, show films and it was like thirty kids
Speaker 3: and the majority of kids, if I was you know, generalized,
Speaker 3: were were like knuckleheads. Like you know, kids had either
Speaker 3: got in trouble, like you know, so they didn't you know,
Speaker 3: pass you know, first semester, or they just are truant,
Speaker 3: or like me, they didn't do homework sometimes because they
Speaker 3: couldn't do the homework, maybe their learning disabilities or things
Speaker 3: that we weren't as keen on, you know, in nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety four, in the spring of ninety four that we
Speaker 3: might be you know, able to sniff out sooner.
Speaker 1: Now and be able to help them.
Speaker 3: So I was a little bit of an aberration, and
Speaker 3: that was made very clear to me by like after
Speaker 3: like the second time we have done that. We'd end
Speaker 3: it with a journal entry and I remember handing in
Speaker 3: my journal or maybe getting it back like affort. But
Speaker 3: it was a private moment between he and I and
Speaker 3: he was and he's like, what are you doing here?
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean? He was, why
Speaker 1: are you here? Like all these kids like like you know, you.
Speaker 3: Know, knuckleheads or this or that, and not that he
Speaker 3: was judging them, but but like there was something that
Speaker 3: he took to my writing and this thing, and I go, oh,
Speaker 3: I just I don't do homework. He goes, okay, all right,
Speaker 3: whenever a right, we'll see you next week, okay, something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: So he showed two films.
Speaker 3: The first I mean, you should probably show more, but
Speaker 3: the two that I remember most the one, and it's
Speaker 3: perfect because the first one is like a short film.
Speaker 1: It's one that we talked about all the time.
Speaker 3: I know, I know Bill is a big fan of
Speaker 3: the occurrence Occurrence at alfred Bridge, which one you know
Speaker 3: at Oscar and you know, but it was also an
Speaker 3: early twilight Zone. They used it for the Twilight Zone
Speaker 3: and that's an incredible, you know, short film. And so
Speaker 3: I remember being like, oh, this dude, Okay, he's going
Speaker 3: to show cool shit, all right, And he wonders why
Speaker 3: I'm here, like he's already kind of like a fan
Speaker 3: of the way I think or joke around, or like
Speaker 3: he knows I don't belong here, and I know I
Speaker 3: don't belong here, not not necessarily I don't belong to
Speaker 3: these people, because I think I do belong to these people,
Speaker 3: but I don't think I belong here, I mean we
Speaker 3: or whatever it is. It wasn't again judging these other kids.
Speaker 3: It was just like, I don't know. Then he shows
Speaker 3: Citizen King one class. Now that's a long ass movie.
Speaker 3: That's a black and white movie. These are already kids
Speaker 3: that don't pay attention. These are already kids that don't
Speaker 3: give a shit about anything that you know, who knows
Speaker 3: their situation at home. And I I may have been
Speaker 3: the only one awake at the end of it. And
Speaker 3: I loved it and I was riveted, and then I
Speaker 3: just then I just started reading up about it. And
Speaker 3: you know, there are tons of books at that point
Speaker 3: of Pauline Kale book, you know, interviewing, you know, like
Speaker 3: books about reading about orson Wells and just the way
Speaker 3: it was, the symbolism in it and how was the
Speaker 3: first fall? And and it really unlocked like this curiosity
Speaker 3: of how movies were made.
Speaker 1: I'd always loved movies.
Speaker 3: I was lucky my mom took me to go see plays,
Speaker 3: musical's dad took me to go see movies like we
Speaker 3: always went. We watched tons of movies at home. But
Speaker 3: I wasn't curious about how they were made, and that
Speaker 3: movie kind of changed it for me, and so that
Speaker 3: led to going to see like another great experience, you know,
Speaker 3: pulp Fiction because this was ninety four ninety five, you know,
Speaker 3: into that, and that was the first movie I went
Speaker 3: to go see multiple times in the theater by myself.
Speaker 3: The first time I bought a screenplay was Pulp Fiction,
Speaker 3: you know. Like then it became this this thing that
Speaker 3: I could do by myself, whether I was feeling good
Speaker 3: or bad. And it was that moment that that absolutely unlocked.
Speaker 3: It was what he saw in me and then what
Speaker 3: he shared with people in his enthusiasm for it. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I think I think it was absolutely a life changing
Speaker 3: moment and for the life that I'm really living now
Speaker 3: and the thing I do for a living while while
Speaker 3: living thus far yea, all that all that ship coming
Speaker 3: right back.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's what I mean, mister Singer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, best fam with Mary Puppins and your Lifetime film
Speaker 2: with Susan Ken.
Speaker 1: I mean these are big.
Speaker 3: I know, it's like I always sound like a dick
Speaker 3: when I say Ken, but it's the truth and and
Speaker 3: it comes up again here, you know, because it's it's
Speaker 3: just a fucking humdinger of a film. And it's so
Speaker 3: obnoxious and ostentatious and like emballs me. I mean that
Speaker 3: guy was coming at that. I was coming after the
Speaker 3: number one dude that could like end you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the that's the stuff I didn't understand, I
Speaker 2: think because I saw it very young as well, and
Speaker 2: I loved it, but I didn't understand the hest of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, depressed stuff. I was still young to get
Speaker 1: with that, but I was only starting to get it.
Speaker 3: I just, I just But I also loved the Jebediah
Speaker 3: Leland relationship. I love their relationship. I've always gravitated more
Speaker 3: towards the Joseph Cotton rolls and things that I've that
Speaker 3: I've you know, being the guy next to the guy,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I love Jesus Christ Superstar.
Speaker 3: It's really about you know, it's about Judas or Salary
Speaker 3: and Amadeis. You know, like, yeah, this movie I did
Speaker 3: with Lee Pace where he plays you know, John DeLorean,
Speaker 3: I play like the guy next to the guy.
Speaker 1: You bit, I'm Beard, yeah yeah, or maybe I'm maybe.
Speaker 3: I was always the guy next to the guy and
Speaker 3: all the with all these other people sort of like
Speaker 3: sort of what.
Speaker 1: It becoming, you know, like you know, but what it
Speaker 1: always was, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would argue, I mean, the thing I love
Speaker 2: about says basic level is it if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 2: it sounds and looks like it's gonna be really boring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's fucking great. Yeah, it's no. The structure
Speaker 3: is very challenging. I even love the ad campaign ad campaign.
Speaker 3: One of the lobby cards was just you know, orson
Speaker 3: Well is sitting there like in that pose that he does.
Speaker 3: He looks like, you know, he's on the top of
Speaker 3: a mountain. And then it has all the different characters,
Speaker 3: like you know, probably like four or five on each side,
Speaker 3: and one's like he's a saint, he's a scoundrel, he's
Speaker 3: a bastard, he's a genius, you know, like and I'm
Speaker 3: just like, yeah, I can't anyone be all these things
Speaker 3: to all these different people.
Speaker 1: I just found it to be. I would say like that.
Speaker 3: That and I'm Not There are probably two of my
Speaker 3: favorite biopics because they're a profound way like structurally, how
Speaker 3: to how to tell the story of of a of
Speaker 3: a person's life. I'm Not There With Todd Haynes, the
Speaker 3: Dylan moyah, yeah, fireusx right, yeah, and think it's brilliant.
Speaker 3: I think, and and and then the thing comes back
Speaker 3: to where where it always is, like the punchline on
Speaker 3: all of it is like the fucking dude is twenty five,
Speaker 3: that's fucking that, but he's probably twenty three twenty four
Speaker 3: when he was like right there, like and and I know,
Speaker 3: you know, Irman Mankich, you know, it's tremendous handed.
Speaker 1: I actually never haven't seen that film yet.
Speaker 2: I've seen that film and then I've had I mean,
Speaker 2: I wanted excited and effects. Oh I knowed that everyone
Speaker 2: has debunked the story that isn't that film?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or at least that's there. Yeah, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's you know, he's.
Speaker 3: Obviously a very type of boy whatever whatever he did, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 3: and definitely you know, and he knew he knew how
Speaker 3: to but Orsons do card tricks.
Speaker 1: You know, what a guy? What a guy? No? I mean,
Speaker 1: I I.
Speaker 3: Think that I find it to be bonkers to be
Speaker 3: able to do that, And yet it makes total sense
Speaker 3: that someone can come in with being like, well here's
Speaker 3: how it's normally done, and goes why like why not
Speaker 3: you know, just be like, well, it's good to have
Speaker 3: the reason why, like how's normally done.
Speaker 1: I think that's important. I think it's important.
Speaker 3: He respected the medium, but then he also only fucked
Speaker 3: with and broken Lovely Lovely. I was happy to be
Speaker 3: introduced to it at a point where I was looking
Speaker 3: to break things but in a positive way or breakthrough,
Speaker 3: you know that first phase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had a few Missus Ingers, haven't you. I have?
Speaker 3: Yeah, by good good luck, good timing or just good
Speaker 3: fortune or yeah, staying open to you know, having them
Speaker 3: cross path.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like what you if I may.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes you would say said, essay, people are angels
Speaker 2: to each other up when they need them and say
Speaker 2: the right thing that it needs. And Missus Singer was
Speaker 2: one of them to yeah, yeah, what's the film that
Speaker 2: you must relate to?
Speaker 1: J S Daycas.
Speaker 3: This was one that I realized I related to it,
Speaker 3: but then it was expressly when it was like it
Speaker 3: was expressed to me directly.
Speaker 1: I guess that is the way.
Speaker 3: Whiplash Love Love the Piece one of one of those
Speaker 3: movies that went in the first opening. In the opening scene,
Speaker 3: I was like I had to pause it and get
Speaker 3: on my phone to be.
Speaker 1: Like who made this? What is going on here?
Speaker 3: Like where I felt so taken care of, it felt
Speaker 3: so intentional, It felt like it like and it makes
Speaker 3: sense that it was you know that, you know, Damien
Speaker 3: Chazelle had made you know, a short film earlier it,
Speaker 3: but but regardless of that, I was just.
Speaker 1: Like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: And then found out okay, great yep, okay, great play
Speaker 3: never never never looked back, download the soundtrack right afterwards,
Speaker 3: look for the screenplay, same way I was with pulp fiction.
Speaker 1: After I saw the first time, I was like, what
Speaker 1: is this? How is it? How's this done? And that's it.
Speaker 3: There's no part of me that like I'm just glad
Speaker 3: it exists, you know, there's no part of me.
Speaker 1: Like how do I do? How do I meet this guy?
Speaker 1: Do I do? You know?
Speaker 3: Like and maybe that's just an error in like my
Speaker 3: show business acumen, but like for me, it was just like,
Speaker 3: I'm so like, this has always been here. It's one
Speaker 3: of those things that I felt like I've been here
Speaker 3: and I understood as well as I could understand it fully.
Speaker 3: And then the way it was expressed me directly as
Speaker 3: by our our dear friend and from a coworker Julia Linden,
Speaker 3: who was my assistant at the time, was like, of
Speaker 3: course you love that movie.
Speaker 1: You're both those guys. I was like, what what did
Speaker 1: you say? A young lady?
Speaker 3: You know, and because she's as you know, smart and thoughtfully,
Speaker 3: kind and clever and funny as they come, you gotta
Speaker 3: say with that. And I'm just like and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got a little bit a little bit of both
Speaker 3: those characters in me and and they and they fight constantly, constantly.
Speaker 2: But the thing that is interesting about it, and I think, oh,
Speaker 2: I mean all of them, including I think, is that
Speaker 2: one theme in them. It's kind of creative obsession and
Speaker 2: perfection and obsession and work, big work. But they always
Speaker 2: seem at sacrifice to relationships. And in the case of
Speaker 2: Whiplash is an exception in that I would argue, as
Speaker 2: and I fucking love the film. He's not a very
Speaker 2: nice guy, mass teller, and he's not a good boy,
Speaker 2: like there's that. It isn't like he goes on a
Speaker 2: journey where he loses his soul or anything. It's like
Speaker 2: he never he's he's focused entirely on this creative endeavor,
Speaker 2: which he achieves, but at what cost would usually be
Speaker 2: the question, and I would argue, and not much cost too,
Speaker 2: because he didn't he didn't like his governor, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like he there's a lack of I
Speaker 2: don't think in the film, but in him sort of
Speaker 2: lack of.
Speaker 3: Heart or yeah, no, I agree, and and and you know,
Speaker 3: to reframe it slightly, is I think part of the
Speaker 3: reason I was, you know, into it and I and
Speaker 3: I didn't rewatch it since since you know, I watched
Speaker 3: it like three or four times during that full time
Speaker 3: it was in theaters and Oscar stuff and all that.
Speaker 3: That mostly is probably like in relationship to to student teacher,
Speaker 3: you know, mentor pupil, you know, maybe maybe you know
Speaker 3: father son from that perspective of like guid you know, guidance.
Speaker 3: That's probably mostly where it resonates with me, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's only the part that of myself that I
Speaker 3: have access to, you know what I mean, Like we
Speaker 3: sometimes sometimes subconsciously like I'm gravitating towards it for that
Speaker 3: for that reason too, but I'm not how often is
Speaker 3: I was willing to go there or or or as
Speaker 3: as capable you know, to go to go there with him,
Speaker 3: you know, the way you know, you can't tickle yourself,
Speaker 3: you know in that way. It's like that would be
Speaker 3: the positive version. Can you really see, like you know
Speaker 3: your ship or does it?
Speaker 1: Does it?
Speaker 3: Do you only notice it when you look back in
Speaker 3: the roof of your mirror and be like, oh wow,
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: This this, this, this this, I love this, this this this.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I would just say you have more
Speaker 2: more heart.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, maybe, but maybe you.
Speaker 3: Know, but I understand the I would hope, I obs
Speaker 3: I guess, but I think, but I think there was
Speaker 3: he was still navigating that there. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: it feels like that I look at the you know,
Speaker 3: the father figure by Paul to be the guy who
Speaker 3: is you know, gentle and kind, and he wasn't going
Speaker 3: to there because there's a lack of respect there. But
Speaker 3: that doesn't mean it's not inside him and it's just
Speaker 3: lurking around the corner on the second he let's go
Speaker 3: some other things. Maybe that would be the what what
Speaker 3: sun shines on his face? You know a little bit,
Speaker 3: But you know, until we get until we get whiplash too,
Speaker 3: you know, whip symbol, whipped symbol.
Speaker 1: I'd love it. I'd love see what he guys and
Speaker 1: his dad and his laughs.
Speaker 3: Sorry, yeah, it's just it's just an hour and a
Speaker 3: half dinner of that. Yeah, I just feel like, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm looking at family photos.
Speaker 2: And says, you want to play me the drum said
Speaker 2: that he just did, and he guys, yeah, and they
Speaker 2: listened to it, and he guys, that's really good.
Speaker 1: It's a great son Loud Loud did great was your teacher? Chris?
Speaker 2: So he gave me a nude you know, you know
Speaker 2: how he is sort of raised his fascinating great answer.
Speaker 2: He's probably why everyone's listening. What's the film?
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