WEBVTT - “Fart Digger” + “Fart Knocker” = 1 Cancelled TV Host 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:06.160 Hey, everybody, it is Friday, February thirteenth, and we are 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:08.400 going to try our very best to get through this 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:12.080 episode without laughing because it's a very serious topic. It's 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.360 a very serious word. But we only get to all 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:22.239 the controversy if we get through fart knocker and fart digger. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.360 And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:31.680 TJ Knocker and digger knocker and digger knocker and digger. 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.320 Someone messed up those two words and can you imagine 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:37.480 what words they came up with? And now she lost 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:39.800 a job ro this You brought this to my attention, 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:40.400 this story is well. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:44.520 Yes, so if anyone is a fan of a very 0:00:44.840 --> 0:00:47.000 popular and it was supposed to be coming back in 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.400 big fashion, this show called Rehab Addict. And we're not 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:54.920 talking about drugs, We're talking about rehabbing Holmes. This is HGTV. 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:59.600 I love a rehab show. It's so fun to watch. 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:01.840 I have I've watched this show, not recently because it's 0:01:01.840 --> 0:01:02.760 been off the air for some time. 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:03.880 So this was a big deal. 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.280 Nicole Curtis, the host of Rehab Addict, made this big 0:01:08.280 --> 0:01:12.520 announcement they were coming back season ten nine or ten, 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:13.280 was it nine. 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.880 Nine, but it hadn't been on since what twenty eighteen. 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:17.800 I believe, So this was a big deal and her 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:23.200 new series was supposed to air Wednesday, coming out, big deal. 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:26.120 She had it all over her Instagram, social media, and 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:32.840 then record scratch a video is leaked to a tabloid website. 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.560 In that video and the headlines will tell you that 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:42.320 Nicole Curtis uses the inWORD. Nicole Curtis uses a racial 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.760 slur in video, and absolutely we can tell you she does. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:50.080 She doesn't deny it. You hear it, absolutely clearly. So 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:53.520 it leaks and robes. HGTV reacted pretty. 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.840 Immediately, immediately, they did not even I mean it was 0:01:58.760 --> 0:02:04.680 an automatic response. Not only did they fire her, but 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:08.240 they literally scrubbed the entire series. 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:09.120 She never existed. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:13.440 It's gone. So actually we do have their statement, just 0:02:13.440 --> 0:02:16.440 to get it out there right now. HGTV was recently 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:19.560 made aware of an offensive racial comment made during the 0:02:19.560 --> 0:02:22.800 filming of Rehab Addict. Not only is language like this 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.520 hurtful and disappointing to our viewers, partners, and employees, it 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.080 does not align with the values of HGTV. Accordingly, we 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.640 have removed the series from all HGTV platforms. We remain 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.680 dedicated to fostering a culture of respect and inclusion across 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:42.040 our content and our workplace. Here's the deal, though, she 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.239 says that did not happen during the filming of rehab 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:49.160 atte Oh, that this was her own personal behind the 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:51.440 scenes video and it was shot there were just a 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:55.920 few people in the room, and it happened four years ago. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:59.080 Not a justification of any kind now at all, But 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.280 she's making a point a clarification here. AGTV said it 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.600 was during the filming of rehab Atic. She says, absolutely not. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.080 So she pointed clarity. Fine, but we have video you 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:15.200 white lady saying the in word white lady on video canceled. 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.680 Done nothing else to talk about. 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:21.040 Robes impossible to recover from. I would say, cannot and 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:25.560 then hold your horses. And this is why we should talk, folks. 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.480 There's context needed. 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:30.480 This is not a defense of what she did, but 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:35.000 there is an understanding robes and a conversation and just 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:37.840 pump of the breaks for a second and let's talk 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.360 about what happened. So in this video you see her 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:42.520 and she is at her home. Yes, I believe doing 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.360 a renovation. I think she's going up on a ladder. 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.279 She's a ladder okay, with a nail gun or something. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:52.160 And she's doing her thing, does something and then blurts out. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.840 What robes fart N word, which is not a phrase 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.640 people use. And then as soon as she says fart 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.440 N word, you can see her gasp and go, oh 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.160 my god, what did I just say? 0:04:03.200 --> 0:04:04.080 Why did I just say that? 0:04:04.320 --> 0:04:06.040 And to help if you haven't seen it, you might 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.120 see it later, but it imagine making a mistake and 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.800 you just go, oh shit. It's kind of how the 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:18.599 context she said, oh fart inward sounds ridiculous, sounds childish, sound, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.760 sounds nothing made up. As soon as the in word 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:25.120 comes out of her mouth, probably it was a millisecond, 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:26.960 is that she said ooh? 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:31.159 She immediately gasped at herself, and that is clear on 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:31.599 the video. 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.080 What was your reaction to seeing it mine? 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:40.680 Yeah, I am still laughing at the phrase, oh fart inward? 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.960 What It's just silly, it's made up, doesn't make any sense. Look, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:48.400 the N word we've talked about this here, doesn't get 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.680 me worked up because anybody uses it towards me. I know, 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:52.560 I've just won that fight because you're an idiot, so 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:54.839 that's just not a big deal. I don't get offended 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:56.760 hearing it is not the first thing I do is 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.039 to get outraged and oh my goodness, what does this 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:03.200 woman doing a stupid silly phrase. I am not defending 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.560 that or getting onto HGTV for reacting how they did. 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:11.120 But Robes, I was so curious you. I think you 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.800 told me this, and I think Gabby Bernstein told you 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:16.560 this first. Get curious. What happens if you get curious 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:19.880 first and don't have your first reaction be emotional, and 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.120 certainly our first emotions sometime I'll always say this country, 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:27.039 it's outrage. I was curious, what is this about? And 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.719 then once we start digging into it, Robes, the story 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:31.080 took a weird turn to me. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.080 It did because and you actually have to dig define this. 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.320 I will say, her and we can get into her 0:05:36.320 --> 0:05:40.240 official statements aren't about making excuses. She and we can 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.040 She says all the right things. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.520 I took an issue with a couple things. We'll get 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:46.000 into it. Oh yes, right, okay, okay. 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:50.760 But then upon digging you can hear some other reactions 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.080 that she gave. And I thought this one was really interesting. 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:54.880 Because a lot of people say this that came out 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:57.080 of your mouth too easily, right, That was the first 0:05:57.120 --> 0:05:58.120 thing a lot of folks said. 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.080 Now, that is the first thing I went to because 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.600 one of the things will say in her statement that 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.120 she it's not in her vocabulary. That is hard to 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.600 get your head around, because they're just all of us 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:13.240 have words in our lives that will not come out 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:16.360 of our mouths. We are just not programmed, and you 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:20.279 can't say it. I have some things. I have gay 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:22.960 friends that say things to each other. Ain't no way 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.080 in hell I could even accidentally slip up and say it. 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.000 You can't accidentally say the in word unless it was 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:29.440 in there. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.160 Correct, That is what everyone is saying. But listen to 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:35.800 what she said, and it's actually interesting And to your 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.200 point about getting curious. When I read this and we 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:42.560 read it together, all of a sudden, you felt a 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:45.400 little shift right in how you're feeling about her. 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:45.880 She said. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.280 You ask, how did that just easily come out? I 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.520 don't have an answer for that. It did, and it 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:54.800 shocked me. As shown now you ask, what were you 0:06:54.839 --> 0:06:58.279 even saying? I throw words to I throw together words. 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.880 This is documented on fifth teen years of TV interviews 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.640 posts of these random words, my most famous son of 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:08.360 a beehive digger, which took the place of SOB when 0:07:08.400 --> 0:07:10.480 I became a mommy and could not swear on TV. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.200 In recent years, I've added fart digger, fart knocker. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:22.640 It's documented, here we go, here we go, fart digger, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:29.920 fart knocker, fart bigger, fart knocker. 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:34.280 So they are claiming, and one of the problems I 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:36.040 had with some of the statements was one that came 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.920 from our team. But they were saying she was exhausted, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.000 it was a long day, and something came out of 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.440 her mouth, slipped up and it happened. Here's the thing, ropes. 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.600 I've seen that happen to a bunch of people I have. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.440 And you say that sometimes you say a word, not 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:56.800 even a word. I've seen it happen. That makes it. 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:59.240 I am not excusing. I saw what happened, and I 0:07:59.280 --> 0:08:01.760 see this white leg's saying the in word clear as day. 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:07.520 But context matters, right, There's a reason we have first degree, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:11.200 second degree, third degree murder, and manslaughter. It's not all 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:13.760 the same. She didn't look at somebody and called them 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:15.960 the inn word. She wasn't making a reference to somebody 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:20.240 she said a very very stupid, silly, little nothing phrase. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.960 Now it's a convenient excuse, I think some would argue, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.880 but it takes a little bite off of a headline 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.880 that say she's fired for racial slur exactly. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.319 And when she says that word is not a part 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.079 of my vocabulary. When you hear her saying she basically 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:43.920 she's saying she accidentally conflated the two words, you could 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.880 understand why then she would say that word is not 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:47.720 a part of my vocabulary, because it doesn't make any 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:49.760 sense for her to have said that and for us 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:53.360 to have clearly heard her or hear her saying the 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:56.840 N word. Clearly it isn't her vocabulary because she said 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.319 it out loud. But when she explains that she conflated 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.720 two words, that maybe explains why she put it that way. 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:07.440 Is that actually makes sense. I didn't like. We'll say 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:11.120 her first. Her statement from her team says she takes 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.080 responsibility regardless of context. She said what occurred was a 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.240 clear slip of the tongue, a mistaken version of one 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:23.280 of her well known expressions, spoken after seventeen hours of 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:27.600 physically demanding work and very little sleep. Eh that's fine 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.920 to try to explain. I don't like too much of 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:33.480 the explaining away. This is what happened. She is sorry. 0:09:33.880 --> 0:09:37.120 Leave it at that. However, she was tired though, guys, Okay, 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:40.480 so she's tired, so slurs come out. Give her a break. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.240 That's how I read. That's how I didn't like. 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:46.640 That is how it actually sounds. Yes, and that is 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.880 annoying and infuriating. I'm sure to many many people. 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.000 I don't sleep much at all. You should hear the 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.600 slurs I throw around. 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.840 Like come on, no, no, because they didn't provide the context. 0:09:56.880 --> 0:09:58.680 They said one of her well known phrases that didn't 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:01.360 really give the context that was needed to back up 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:02.040 what they were saying. 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.079 Art digger and fart knocker. 0:10:05.480 --> 0:10:08.360 Yes, and so she has made some follow up statements 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.480 because as you can imagine, look, this all came to 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:14.920 a head yesterday, I believe, and she is saying we 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:16.679 are going to hear more from her today, so we 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:18.480 can get into that in just a bit. But she 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.920 has made some follow up statements, and she said there 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.760 is more to this, but my family comes first, and 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:26.160 I need to be mom right now more than anything else. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.800 I will take the time to be as I've always 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:33.040 been with you, transparent and honest. TMZ called me as 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.920 I had just turned my phone on after being at school. 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:38.800 I said this briefly, but there is more. I am sorry. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:41.679 I am filled with remorse and regret just as much 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:44.520 as I was one second after that word was said 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:45.520 four years ago. 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.040 In twenty twenty two. 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.080 I show this, I say this, and I realize you 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.120 are getting a limited view as what has been circulating 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.360 is a clip of my footage. 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:59.079 It is that was stolen, then manipulated. 0:10:58.360 --> 0:11:00.400 It is edited, oh. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:04.160 And sold to a tabloid to coincide with my return 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.600 to television, only to create this chaos of hate, anger 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:09.640 and disappointment. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:11.160 And she is correct in the timing. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.920 It does exactly what it feels like, and for whatever reason, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.199 I sympathize with that. This is time to take this 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:26.559 woman down. Now. My questions are about manipulated and edited. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.000 What is she trying to suggest there? I mean, we 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:31.480 heard this come out of his mouth. That's a little okay, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:33.280 we'll see what that ends up being. But I don't 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:36.560 know what she could possibly mean by that. If there's 0:11:36.600 --> 0:11:38.920 more context they've given us the context, I don't know 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:40.000 what else we need to understand. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:44.920 She says she plans to release the full video from 0:11:44.960 --> 0:11:47.640 the filming, which she said happened at her home. 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.479 It was her footage. 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.000 She says she is going to release the full video 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:56.960 unedited on Friday, which is today. Then she says she 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.480 is going to go live on social media to address 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:04.640 the situation. She didn't give it time, but that is bold. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.880 You know, if you go on in Instagram live or 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.040 whatever she's planning, however she's planning to do it, you 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.679 got comments coming up, and so if you know she's 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.080 trying to do damage control at this point, I don't 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:16.840 know if it's going to work. Have you ever seen 0:12:16.880 --> 0:12:20.880 anybody survive something like this. 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:29.320 I don't. I don't know. You could survive being tried 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:35.280 for murder easier than you can survive a Twitter scandal. 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:41.680 And I I encourage this not a matter of defending her, 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:47.760 but I will be an advocate for context and patience 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.440 and understanding and humanity and learning before we just react 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.800 with outrage. There was a headline that said, this woman 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.640 is fired. Bro, it's because she used a racial slur. 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.920 If your first reaction is hell, yeah, let me get online. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.559 Put in my two sense before you read and understand 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.120 exactly what happened. This is and some I hear this 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:07.520 and say, TJ, you're a black man standing here defending 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.720 a woman who said the N word. Yeah, what I'm 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.640 doing is defending the truth of the matter that we 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:20.240 always skim over, skip over because it doesn't fit into 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.480 a two hundred and eighty character statement that we want 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.319 to make. Context is important here, she messed up. I 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.480 don't know what's in this woman's heart, but I'm not 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:30.640 gonna assume it's the bad thing, and I'm not assuming 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.720 it's the good thing. I just don't know. So therefore, Robes, 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:38.760 let's talk about it. Let's have proper context and move on. 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.120 I mean, it's so wonderful to hear you say something 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.520 like that, because that is what's needed in this instance 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.840 and in so many others, because we all just read headlines, 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:56.880 assume the worst, and love to demonize other people. It 0:13:57.040 --> 0:14:01.320 just makes us feel superior morally, makes us feel better 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:05.200 than that person, and so we actually, I think psychologically, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:09.880 just our egos just jump right on that headline and 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:13.120 just assume it's all true, because that makes us feel 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.079 less guilty about anything we've done. 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.840 In our lives, robes this one. I don't this here's 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.200 the thing, never seen the show, didn't know her name, 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.880 finding out about her now she might be the worst human. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:26.920 She might be dropping inwards left and right behind the 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.320 scenes for all these years. But all I know is 0:14:30.400 --> 0:14:36.000 this one incident. And taking just this incident in context, robes, 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.040 we hear a lot of people make excuses when things happen. 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:42.360 We know how to read. Okay, they're trying to find 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:44.000 a way out of it with this statement. This one's 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:46.560 from their lawyer, and this from the publicist. And we've 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.440 this is not that. This is not just came up 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:52.520 out of the blue with some stupid excuse. I don't 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:55.480 know how I said that word. She's actually got a 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:59.640 documented foolishness that comes out of her mouth. You had 0:14:59.720 --> 0:15:04.200 me when you said part knocker and part digger. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:13.040 We started laughing. Wait to what that just say? So 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:16.040 stay with us, ere, folks, We're not done. 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.640 I will tell you the part of her statement that 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.760 did make my skin crawl just a little bit. Also, 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:28.360 let's finally say it out loud. Can you ever forgive 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.200 a white person for being caught saying the in word. 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:43.560 We continue here on Amy and TJ coming back from 0:15:43.600 --> 0:15:47.320 the break talking about certainly the heaviness of a white 0:15:47.320 --> 0:15:50.680 woman being caught on camera saying the in word. Every 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:52.680 time we come back from a commercial break here with 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:54.680 Robot and I say, hey, you got anything? Who wants 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:56.920 to start on this one? Robot is like, you take 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:58.800 it please. 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.400 And it's funny because you talked about and we haven't 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.800 had this conversation beforehand. What made your skin crawl? What 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.040 made you cringe when you read her statement? I knew 0:16:08.120 --> 0:16:11.760 exactly what you were referencing. Anytime anyone a white person 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:16.320 references inner city or urban area, you know what they're 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:20.680 actually saying, and it's it's it probably should be avoided 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:21.440 at all costs. 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:23.400 I don't know what, don't know her at all, don't 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:24.920 know where her head is, where her heart is, and 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:26.800 what she's done in her life. It's just this part 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.560 of the statement in which she is giving her black credentials, 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.440 if you will, She says, I'm here because I am 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.680 not okay with the fact that I said that. I 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.320 am and have been submerged in the African American community 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:43.560 my entire adult life. I'm a mom of two children. 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:45.800 I chose to live and work in the inner cities 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:50.040 of many major cities, but most famously Minneapolis and Detroit. Yes, 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.320 I hear that word on a daily basis. People say 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.640 it all around me. I listen to it in music. 0:16:57.080 --> 0:17:02.160 I'm not secluded to the I am the white, small 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.280 blonde in the neighborhood. Who knows that's a word that 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:09.720 represents evil, pain, torture, trauma when used by someone like me, 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.360 And yet it came from me. 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:17.000 Yeah, she's saying, Hey, I'm not you know, this white 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.320 woman who is in a suburban bubble of whiteness. 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.040 I actually live in a diverse community. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:26.720 I'm aware of the issues, but I don't even know 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:28.119 how that plays into any of this. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:29.600 I understand she's in defense mode. 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.560 I understand being called a racist is something that you 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.680 actually almost never can undo, and so she's desperately trying 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.960 to say I have put myself in a diverse community 0:17:41.000 --> 0:17:44.560 to be more aware. But that actually is completely beside 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.000 the point. If she actually just conflated words because she's 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:50.439 a silly talker and she got frustrated a moment and 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.600 accidentally put in N where a D was supposed to be, Well, okay, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:57.680 that I'll accept or it's not even for me to accept. 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:58.720 But it's understandable. 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.639 You can understand that there's no need to go into 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.600 a larger conversation about where she lives, who her friends are. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:08.320 I got black friends. I live in a community, in 0:18:08.359 --> 0:18:09.919 a street where there are black people. I mean, that 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:12.560 is what she's saying, But that doesn't have it. She's 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.119 trying to defend her character and her integrity and that 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:21.399 she's not just this ignorant white person who doesn't associate 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.880 with people of color. That's what she's trying to say. 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.159 Obviously it's cringing. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.639 I don't know the lady and them all of that 0:18:28.720 --> 0:18:31.679 might be true. Yeah, felt it felt very icky to 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:35.639 be giving black credentials in this moment. But again, and 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.200 maybe she's all that stuff is true, robes, but can 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:41.680 you can we ever, ever, ever, can a white person 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:45.439 ever be forgiven? I don't know if white celebrity is 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.000 caught on video at a club singing and dancing to 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:51.879 a Kendrick Lamar song and just blurts out the N 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:54.720 word every time Kendrick says it, are you? Are you 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.200 going down for that as a racist? And that's a 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.359 serious hypothetical that I'm giving. Well, I think only what 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.240 can't what will society do to that person? 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:05.760 Well, I don't think a white person can answer that question. 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.040 Well, the answer is I think society would absolutely come 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:12.120 after that person, would absolutely persecute that person, would want 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.480 to hear nothing else. And maybe that's the case. Can 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:16.680 a white person ever say the N word in any 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.639 type of context other than in a Quentin Tarantino movie 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:21.800 and not be canceled? 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:23.840 Right because you're reading a script from a character that 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:24.199 isn't you. 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:26.159 That would be the only way, and even then that 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.120 would be borderline. 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:30.520 The only person who I think could probably do it 0:19:30.600 --> 0:19:31.399 is President Trump. 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:38.640 Damn, oh my god. And again we're not suggesting he will, 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.760 but we're saying that is the most outlandish racial thing 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:48.200 you can blurt out. Can you ever come back from that? 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.520 But to your point, rote so much about racism and 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:54.679 the talk of racism and things that are being allowed 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:59.000 to be said. Now some people feel a freedom to 0:19:59.040 --> 0:20:01.960 do so, they feel a comfort and doing so. And 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.119 how long does that bar keep moving to where now 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:08.760 this word becomes mainstream. 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:11.359 And to it well, that would be just so disturbing. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.680 But to your point, this is going to be interesting. 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.439 We don't know how big this may blow up. It 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:20.200 may blow over not for her, she's almost certainly done, 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.800 but in her effort to try and redeem herself or 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:29.160 find some way to. 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:28.000 To uncancel herself. 0:20:29.640 --> 0:20:32.760 Will this be something that because of the political environment 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.440 we're in and what we've been seeing over this past year, 0:20:35.760 --> 0:20:39.280 will there be a rallying cry in her defense? Will 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.440 this become something more than it is right now? 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:41.919 I don't know. 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:44.919 I hope it doesn't, But I started thinking about that, like, 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.560 where does this story go from here? And she is 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:52.520 going to continue her defense today, and look, I think 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.600 she has every right to do so. I understand her 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:58.439 need to do so. And it's just we will be 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:00.920 watching to see where this conversation you just. 0:21:00.960 --> 0:21:04.160 I just sank because you just made me remember something 0:21:04.240 --> 0:21:09.600 that you'll remember as well. That woman raised about a 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:15.600 million dollars on whatever go fundme type website after she 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.639 was caught on video repeatedly calling a. 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:19.480 Child child. 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.800 And that is a very different story totally obviously than 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:25.800 the one we're talking about, and yet they're both lumped 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.000 into the same category. 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.840 She had defenders to the point they raised a million 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:37.359 dollars horrific for her horrific that is, I will never 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.440 now offend or say, well, let's look for some context 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:46.960