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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it is Friday, February thirteenth, and we are

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Speaker 1: going to try our very best to get through this

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Speaker 1: episode without laughing because it's a very serious topic. It's

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Speaker 1: a very serious word. But we only get to all

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Speaker 1: the controversy if we get through fart knocker and fart digger.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and

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Speaker 1: TJ Knocker and digger knocker and digger knocker and digger.

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Speaker 1: Someone messed up those two words and can you imagine

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Speaker 1: what words they came up with? And now she lost

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Speaker 1: a job ro this You brought this to my attention,

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Speaker 1: this story is well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so if anyone is a fan of a very

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Speaker 2: popular and it was supposed to be coming back in

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Speaker 2: big fashion, this show called Rehab Addict. And we're not

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Speaker 2: talking about drugs, We're talking about rehabbing Holmes. This is HGTV.

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Speaker 2: I love a rehab show. It's so fun to watch.

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Speaker 2: I have I've watched this show, not recently because it's

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Speaker 2: been off the air for some time.

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Speaker 3: So this was a big deal.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Curtis, the host of Rehab Addict, made this big

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Speaker 2: announcement they were coming back season ten nine or ten,

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Speaker 2: was it nine.

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Speaker 1: Nine, but it hadn't been on since what twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I believe, So this was a big deal and her

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Speaker 2: new series was supposed to air Wednesday, coming out, big deal.

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Speaker 2: She had it all over her Instagram, social media, and

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Speaker 2: then record scratch a video is leaked to a tabloid website.

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Speaker 1: In that video and the headlines will tell you that

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Speaker 1: Nicole Curtis uses the inWORD. Nicole Curtis uses a racial

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Speaker 1: slur in video, and absolutely we can tell you she does.

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Speaker 1: She doesn't deny it. You hear it, absolutely clearly. So

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Speaker 1: it leaks and robes. HGTV reacted pretty.

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Speaker 2: Immediately, immediately, they did not even I mean it was

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Speaker 2: an automatic response. Not only did they fire her, but

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Speaker 2: they literally scrubbed the entire series.

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Speaker 1: She never existed.

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Speaker 2: It's gone. So actually we do have their statement, just

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Speaker 2: to get it out there right now. HGTV was recently

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Speaker 2: made aware of an offensive racial comment made during the

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Speaker 2: filming of Rehab Addict. Not only is language like this

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Speaker 2: hurtful and disappointing to our viewers, partners, and employees, it

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Speaker 2: does not align with the values of HGTV. Accordingly, we

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Speaker 2: have removed the series from all HGTV platforms. We remain

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Speaker 2: dedicated to fostering a culture of respect and inclusion across

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Speaker 2: our content and our workplace. Here's the deal, though, she

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Speaker 2: says that did not happen during the filming of rehab

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Speaker 2: atte Oh, that this was her own personal behind the

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Speaker 2: scenes video and it was shot there were just a

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Speaker 2: few people in the room, and it happened four years ago.

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Speaker 1: Not a justification of any kind now at all, But

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Speaker 1: she's making a point a clarification here. AGTV said it

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Speaker 1: was during the filming of rehab Atic. She says, absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: So she pointed clarity. Fine, but we have video you

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Speaker 1: white lady saying the in word white lady on video canceled.

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Speaker 1: Done nothing else to talk about.

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Speaker 4: Robes impossible to recover from. I would say, cannot and

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Speaker 4: then hold your horses. And this is why we should talk, folks.

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Speaker 4: There's context needed.

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Speaker 1: This is not a defense of what she did, but

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Speaker 1: there is an understanding robes and a conversation and just

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Speaker 1: pump of the breaks for a second and let's talk

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Speaker 1: about what happened. So in this video you see her

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Speaker 1: and she is at her home. Yes, I believe doing

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Speaker 1: a renovation. I think she's going up on a ladder.

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Speaker 3: She's a ladder okay, with a nail gun or something.

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Speaker 1: And she's doing her thing, does something and then blurts out.

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Speaker 2: What robes fart N word, which is not a phrase

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Speaker 2: people use. And then as soon as she says fart

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Speaker 3: Why did I just say that?

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Speaker 1: And to help if you haven't seen it, you might

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Speaker 1: see it later, but it imagine making a mistake and

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Speaker 1: you just go, oh shit. It's kind of how the

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Speaker 1: context she said, oh fart inward sounds ridiculous, sounds childish, sound,

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Speaker 2: She immediately gasped at herself, and that is clear on

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Speaker 3: What was your reaction to seeing it mine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am still laughing at the phrase, oh fart inward?

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Speaker 1: What It's just silly, it's made up, doesn't make any sense. Look,

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Speaker 1: the N word we've talked about this here, doesn't get

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Speaker 1: me worked up because anybody uses it towards me. I know,

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Speaker 1: I've just won that fight because you're an idiot, so

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Speaker 1: hearing it is not the first thing I do is

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Speaker 1: that or getting onto HGTV for reacting how they did.

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Speaker 1: But Robes, I was so curious you. I think you

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Speaker 1: told me this, and I think Gabby Bernstein told you

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Speaker 1: this first. Get curious. What happens if you get curious

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Speaker 1: first and don't have your first reaction be emotional, and

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Speaker 1: certainly our first emotions sometime I'll always say this country,

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Speaker 1: it's outrage. I was curious, what is this about? And

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Speaker 1: then once we start digging into it, Robes, the story

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Speaker 1: took a weird turn to me.

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Speaker 2: It did because and you actually have to dig define this.

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Speaker 2: I will say, her and we can get into her

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Speaker 2: official statements aren't about making excuses. She and we can

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Speaker 2: She says all the right things.

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Speaker 1: I took an issue with a couple things. We'll get

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Speaker 1: into it. Oh yes, right, okay, okay.

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Speaker 2: But then upon digging you can hear some other reactions

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Speaker 2: that she gave. And I thought this one was really interesting.

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Speaker 2: Because a lot of people say this that came out

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Speaker 2: of your mouth too easily, right, That was the first

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Speaker 1: Now, that is the first thing I went to because

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Speaker 1: one of the things will say in her statement that

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Speaker 1: she it's not in her vocabulary. That is hard to

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Speaker 1: get your head around, because they're just all of us

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Speaker 1: have words in our lives that will not come out

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Speaker 1: of our mouths. We are just not programmed, and you

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Speaker 1: can't say it. I have some things. I have gay

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Speaker 1: friends that say things to each other. Ain't no way

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Speaker 1: in hell I could even accidentally slip up and say it.

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Speaker 1: You can't accidentally say the in word unless it was

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Speaker 2: Correct, That is what everyone is saying. But listen to

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Speaker 2: what she said, and it's actually interesting And to your

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Speaker 2: point about getting curious. When I read this and we

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Speaker 3: She said.

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Speaker 2: You ask, how did that just easily come out? I

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Speaker 2: don't have an answer for that. It did, and it

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Speaker 2: shocked me. As shown now you ask, what were you

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Speaker 2: even saying? I throw words to I throw together words.

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Speaker 2: This is documented on fifth teen years of TV interviews

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Speaker 2: posts of these random words, my most famous son of

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Speaker 2: a beehive digger, which took the place of SOB when

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Speaker 2: I became a mommy and could not swear on TV.

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Speaker 2: In recent years, I've added fart digger, fart knocker.

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Speaker 5: It's documented, here we go, here we go, fart digger,

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Speaker 5: fart knocker, fart bigger, fart knocker.

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Speaker 1: So they are claiming, and one of the problems I

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Speaker 1: from our team. But they were saying she was exhausted,

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Speaker 1: it was a long day, and something came out of

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Speaker 1: her mouth, slipped up and it happened. Here's the thing, ropes.

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Speaker 1: I've seen that happen to a bunch of people I have.

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Speaker 1: And you say that sometimes you say a word, not

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Speaker 1: even a word. I've seen it happen. That makes it.

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Speaker 1: I am not excusing. I saw what happened, and I

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Speaker 1: But context matters, right, There's a reason we have first degree,

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Speaker 1: second degree, third degree murder, and manslaughter. It's not all

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Speaker 1: the same. She didn't look at somebody and called them

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Speaker 1: the inn word. She wasn't making a reference to somebody

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Speaker 1: she said a very very stupid, silly, little nothing phrase.

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Speaker 1: Now it's a convenient excuse, I think some would argue,

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Speaker 1: but it takes a little bite off of a headline

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Speaker 1: that say she's fired for racial slur exactly.

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Speaker 2: And when she says that word is not a part

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Speaker 2: she's saying she accidentally conflated the two words, you could

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Speaker 2: understand why then she would say that word is not

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Speaker 2: sense for her to have said that and for us

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Speaker 2: to have clearly heard her or hear her saying the

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Speaker 2: N word. Clearly it isn't her vocabulary because she said

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Speaker 1: Is that actually makes sense. I didn't like. We'll say

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Speaker 1: her first. Her statement from her team says she takes

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Speaker 1: responsibility regardless of context. She said what occurred was a

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Speaker 1: clear slip of the tongue, a mistaken version of one

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Speaker 1: of her well known expressions, spoken after seventeen hours of

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Speaker 1: physically demanding work and very little sleep. Eh that's fine

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Speaker 1: to try to explain. I don't like too much of

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Speaker 1: the explaining away. This is what happened. She is sorry.

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Speaker 1: Leave it at that. However, she was tired though, guys, Okay,

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Speaker 1: so she's tired, so slurs come out. Give her a break.

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Speaker 1: That's how I read. That's how I didn't like.

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Speaker 2: That is how it actually sounds. Yes, and that is

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Speaker 2: annoying and infuriating. I'm sure to many many people.

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Speaker 1: I don't sleep much at all. You should hear the

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Speaker 3: Like come on, no, no, because they didn't provide the context.

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Speaker 2: They said one of her well known phrases that didn't

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Speaker 1: Art digger and fart knocker.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and so she has made some follow up statements

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Speaker 2: because as you can imagine, look, this all came to

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Speaker 2: has made some follow up statements, and she said there

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Speaker 2: is more to this, but my family comes first, and

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Speaker 2: I need to be mom right now more than anything else.

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Speaker 2: I will take the time to be as I've always

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Speaker 2: been with you, transparent and honest. TMZ called me as

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Speaker 2: I had just turned my phone on after being at school.

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Speaker 2: I said this briefly, but there is more. I am sorry.

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Speaker 2: I am filled with remorse and regret just as much

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Speaker 2: as I was one second after that word was said

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Speaker 2: four years ago.

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Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: I show this, I say this, and I realize you

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Speaker 2: are getting a limited view as what has been circulating

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Speaker 2: is a clip of my footage.

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Speaker 3: It is that was stolen, then manipulated.

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Speaker 1: It is edited, oh.

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Speaker 2: And sold to a tabloid to coincide with my return

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Speaker 2: to television, only to create this chaos of hate, anger

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Speaker 3: And she is correct in the timing.

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Speaker 1: It does exactly what it feels like, and for whatever reason,

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Speaker 1: I sympathize with that. This is time to take this

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Speaker 1: woman down. Now. My questions are about manipulated and edited.

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Speaker 1: What is she trying to suggest there? I mean, we

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Speaker 1: we'll see what that ends up being. But I don't

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because you talked about and we haven't

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Speaker 3: Right because you're reading a script from a character that

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Speaker 1: I just sank because you just made me remember something

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Speaker 2: And that is a very different story totally obviously than

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Speaker 1: the Gabby Bernstein thing you keep pointing to pass it along.

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Speaker 1: It's so it calms you when you hear something and

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Speaker 2: It does wonders, It really does, and you can apply

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Speaker 2: You don't know what people are going through, and so yes,

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, world, I don't know what to do. What are

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Speaker 1: That can't be our reactions to everything and everyone. It

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Speaker 1: is great that we're talking about race. It is just

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Speaker 1: not that black and white. It's just nuts and we

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Speaker 1: have folks. We always appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: For my dear Amy Robach, I am T. J. Holmes.

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