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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we've got

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Speaker 1: old fashioned movie rewatch. It's Tuesday, July fourteenth, and on

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Speaker 1: today's show, it's the debut of Big Citrus and Chill,

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Speaker 1: The Good Game with Sarah Spain movie Club. Before taking

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Speaker 1: off for summer break, Alex Bianca and I sat down

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Speaker 1: to discuss an iconic flick, Bend It Like Beckham. We

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Speaker 1: things we saw a little differently with older eyes. As

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Speaker 1: a reminder, we'll be back to our normal daily schedule

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Speaker 1: next Monday with the start of Season three, Bigger, Better,

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Speaker 1: and Gooder than ever. But today, get your lesbian feet

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Speaker 1: Welcome back Slice's Alex Bianca.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Hi, Hello, happy summer break.

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Speaker 1: I know. Welcome to our first Big Citrus and Chill

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Speaker 1: movie club. Yayon The first entry is Bend It Like Beckham.

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Speaker 1: Now we assume you all did your Slice work and

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Speaker 1: we'll give you a quick recap. So Jess Bamra played

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Speaker 1: by Parminder Nagra is the daughter of a strict Indian

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Speaker 1: Sikh cup seeker sick. Do you guys know? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: So I have done some reporting on people of this

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Speaker 3: faith and the Western pronunciation is seek, but the correct

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Speaker 1: Strict Indian sick couple in London, and she's not allowed

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Speaker 1: who is played by Kira Knightley, spots Jess playing and

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Speaker 2: Sure thing. So the movie was released in the UK

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Speaker 2: March two thousand and three, and overall, it grows seventy

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Speaker 2: It also won a handful of awards, including the two

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have any gay characters. I thought it was

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Speaker 3: I agree, and it made me wonder what the soccer

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Speaker 2: What stood out to me is just like the joy

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Speaker 3: It was just incredibly gay, and it just reaffirmed like

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Speaker 1: Almost like cotton sports bra in the Red Sox.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just from the gazing in when Jeles is

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Speaker 3: And it's so refreshing to watch even though these characters

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Speaker 1: To being queer or lesbians were they felt real, right.

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Speaker 2: Just because I wear trackies and play sport does not

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Speaker 1: The painters and decorators are in for having your period.

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Speaker 4: so my girlfriends who had smaller boobs put these like

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00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 4: we called them the chicken cutlets, And there were these

438
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 4: like beige inserts that you shoved into your bra and

439
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 4: like if they danced too much and one was slipping,

440
00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,840
Speaker 4: like one of them once pulled one out drunk in

441
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: a frap.

442
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 1: Well, I'm a cutlet. Like it was just a thing

443
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,199
Speaker 1: that like you had a million different ways that stors

444
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: told you you are not enough. You got to figure

445
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,119
Speaker 1: it out. It's got to be a cutlet or water

446
00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: or push up or whatever. So watching that, it was

447
00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: such a throwback to that time.

448
00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks Victoria's Secret. Thanks really did great things

449
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 3: for all of us. Yeah, no, it is. There is

450
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 3: definite nostalgia. There's so many different things, even like you know,

451
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 3: the phones that they used, and I love watching old

452
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: videos just to even tap into those things that aren't

453
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: necessary early part of the plot. But it just like, yeah,

454
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 3: romanticizing the past, it could be fun.

455
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, And how like how simple everything seemed back in

456
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: the day. There was horrific dancing at the club. Nobody

457
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 1: ever danced like that. I don't know, it's not a

458
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 1: throwback to any time. That's just no one ever did that.

459
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: And kind of like I thought the music for most

460
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 1: of the movie sucked. It was really hot. That's funny.

461
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: Oh you guys liked it? Oh yeah, yeah, oh Sarah, no,

462
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I thought most of the time I

463
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: was listening, I'm like, what is this? This is terrible,

464
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: that's funny. Yeah.

465
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Speaker 3: I liked it, and it definitely brought me back to yeah,

466
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: that early two thousands. I'm thinking, like Mary Kay and

467
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 3: Ashley movies as well, like these these pop songs that

468
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 3: were kind of all the rage then in the background

469
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,840
Speaker 3: of movies.

470
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Speaker 1: I liked it. I like all those songs. I just

471
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,120
Speaker 1: felt like all the ones in this there were very

472
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 1: few in this one I found rewarding. But fair enough, Sarah,

473
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 1: fair enough, Okay, we gotta take a I have a

474
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 1: couple more things, though, more with Big Citrus.

475
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: Right after this, I have to say, I did look

476
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: up some articles. I wanted to see what people were

477
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: talking about, you know, in the past twenty five years,

478
00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: and I found the craziest fact that no one can predict. Okay, Apparently,

479
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 3: according to the BBC, Bendett, like Beckham made history as

480
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 3: the first Western film to be officially broadcast on TV

481
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 3: in North Korea. Okay what The landmark screening aired on

482
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 3: December twenty sixth, twenty ten, and it was to celebrate

483
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Speaker 3: the tenth anniversary of diplomatic relations between the UK and

484
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 3: North Korea, and apparently that it was cut down from

485
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve minutes to one hundred and four minutes.

486
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Speaker 1: I am curious on which parts of all the lesbian mentions,

487
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 1: even the personal freedom, which I'm not sure how you like,

488
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: advance the plot if they aren't worried about her being

489
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,199
Speaker 1: a lesbian and showing up to interrupt the wedding as

490
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 1: a result and all that stuff.

491
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 5: But I'm sure they found a way and very confused.

492
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 5: Watching that blew my mind. I have so many questions

493
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: that I'll never know the answers to. Why did the

494
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,720
Speaker 5: UK choose this film of all the British films that

495
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 5: had been made, Why did North Korea agree to this? Oh?

496
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: God, you know.

497
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 2: A few minutes ago I mentioned the state of England

498
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: football at the time of this movie on the women's side,

499
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 2: and get this, North Korea's women's soccer team was arguably

500
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 2: better than England's during this time period because they qualified

501
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 2: for the World Cup from nineteen ninety nine all the

502
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: way through two thousand and eleven, and they also won

503
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 2: the AFC Women's Asia Cup in two thousand and one

504
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 2: in two thousand and three, huh.

505
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: So maybe they were having a bit of like women's

506
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: soccer fever and that's why they thought this movie would

507
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,399
Speaker 1: be a fit. Wild.

508
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 3: Did they stop making it to the World Cup in

509
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: twenty eleven because they were no longer allowed to participate.

510
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 2: Yes, they went through a period in which they were

511
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 2: banned and then a time period in which they did

512
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: not qualify. But they have long had a strong women's

513
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: soccer tradition there, or at least players that have been

514
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: trained well to play the game.

515
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: Huh. It's interesting how sometimes sports allows for a push

516
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: of culture that otherwise wouldn't be allowed, right that, Like,

517
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: because they maybe had a lot of patriotism and pride

518
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: about their women's team having had that success, it moved

519
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: the boundaries a little bit on what they were allowed

520
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 1: to celebrate or see as a result. And it does

521
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: feel like that would make sense as a connection with

522
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 1: the UK, which is, you know, where soccer was born,

523
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,919
Speaker 1: that they would feel like this is this diplomatic olive

524
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: branch would be to celebrate that they both were interested

525
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: in women's soccer at the time.

526
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that it's the North Korean

527
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: people in power using women's sports to sportswash or soft

528
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: power however you want to play for sure, Yeah, for sure.

529
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: But I mean that's what I'm saying is like as

530
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: a result of them their patriots is more their attempts

531
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: to use sport to influence. It also means that some

532
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: of the boundaries around what's allowed get pushed a little bit. Yeah,

533
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 1: in the form of a film like this that you

534
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 1: might not otherwise think they'd allow. Speaking of looking up

535
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: women's sports and like what was hot at the time

536
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: when they are going to Santa Clara. I immediately was like, oh,

537
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: that's got to be like the Brandy Chastain Leslie Osbourne,

538
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: like the years and it was a little bit Obviously

539
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: Brandy was already in the WUSA then, but Santa Clara

540
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: had won the NCAA title in two thousand and one

541
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Speaker 1: and had been a good team for a number of years,

542
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: So it made sense when they were really excited about

543
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: going there and why maybe they picked that as their destination. Yeah,

544
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: that it had been a really successful program for a

545
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: while and ended up winning the title in two thousand

546
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 1: and one. That's cool. Did their research for sure. Yeah.

547
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: So we talked earlier about Jess's sister being like, hey,

548
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 1: if you're gonna, you know, sneak around, do it for

549
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: something worthwhile, like a boy. And I have to say

550
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: that the most revelatory moment in the movie for me

551
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: was at the end. There's the split shot of Jess

552
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: scoring the goal, and they're going back and forth between

553
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: that and the joy of the wedding. In the game footage,

554
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: she's being lifted up by her fellow teammates and there's

555
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 1: this like moment of exultation where she's almost like looking

556
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: to the heavens, like I'm so overcome with joy. And

557
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: at the same moment, her sister is being raised up

558
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: and held up by the groom and the crowd around

559
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,360
Speaker 1: her in the same way that Jess's teammates around her.

560
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: And I think the first time I watched it, I

561
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: didn't fully grasp that it's not just they were happening simultaneously.

562
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: It was that the joy that her sister felt in

563
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 1: being married was the joy that Jess felt playing soccer,

564
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: that it was what she valued most. And I know

565
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: that sounds pretty obvious now, but I think at the

566
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,360
Speaker 1: time it was just like a fun the wedding's still

567
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: going on, and there's joy there and there's joy here,

568
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: and they kind of look similar. But it's kind of

569
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: like when I went back to watch A League of

570
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: there on, which maybe that'll be a future big citrus

571
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,359
Speaker 1: and chill, But watching it as an adult, the amount

572
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: of emotion, like pouring tears I had at the end

573
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: when they go to the museum and they see what

574
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: they had done, was so different from me than watching

575
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: it as a young person, Like everything that I carried

576
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,439
Speaker 1: with me showed up when I watched it later. And

577
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: I feel that way about this that like maybe I

578
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: kind of got it the first time, but when I

579
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: watched it here, I really felt like you can decide

580
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 1: that what you care about and what you value and

581
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: what is most meaningful to you isn't finding the boy

582
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,120
Speaker 1: and getting the wedding. It can be that moment of

583
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: teamwork and acceptance and personal achievement. And the way that

584
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: they literally showed us and this case really did hit

585
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: us over the head with it. Somehow I didn't get

586
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: it the first time that that's what she valued and

587
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: that's what mattered to her seemed really powerful and like

588
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: kind of the whole movie.

589
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting because then I think a few minutes later,

590
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: during the scene in which Jess is accused of being

591
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: lesbian who steals shoes and she ends up in the

592
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 2: same car as Pinky, and Pinky is basically like, don't

593
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 2: you want this referring to getting married, and just like

594
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: I want more than this, And I felt kind of

595
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: bad for Pinky in that moment because she was clearly happy,

596
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 2: and I don't think Jess's intention or the writer's intention

597
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: was to be like soccer is above getting married, But

598
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 2: for Jess, that is how she would prioritize those things

599
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: and going back even too, just like the sister relationship.

600
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 2: It was a nice kind of full circle moment to

601
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: be able to see them find happiness in their own way.

602
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I think that's why the ending to me, Like,

603
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: I remember at the time that I loved that Joe

604
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: shows up at the airport and they have their kiss

605
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: and they talk about how maybe when she's back for

606
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: break they can, you know, And this time I was like,

607
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: I don't need that.

608
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 2: I hate it so much.

609
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I don't need Joe to show up and get the kiss.

610
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: And it was a bad kiss, by the way, like

611
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: really not a good kiss.

612
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I think all of us are now hoping

613
00:29:58,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: that it would just be a lesbian kiss.

614
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: At the end of the movie between Jess and watching

615
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: were really yeah. I mean, I will say I had

616
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: forgot about Jonathan Riise Meers, and when he first popped

617
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: on the screen, I'm like, oh, huh, interesting that he

618
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: was like hunky, and then like two scenes and I

619
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: was like, h I get it. Like every time they

620
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: panned away and he was just like smoldering. I was like, oh,

621
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: here it is, I see what was going on here.

622
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: He's got something going on. But yeah, I mean, I

623
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: think now, especially when you watch it as queer coded,

624
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: and especially as you understand the impact that it had

625
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: for so many young queer people, you are sort of like,

626
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: get out of here, Joe, this is tools and just's

627
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: love story. Yeah.

628
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting though, Like he has a

629
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: lot of redeemable qualities, like the fact that he turns

630
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: down the men's job in order to continue coaching the women.

631
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: The fact that he advocates for them, and he's.

632
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Like age appropes, which really helps. Like they don't posit

633
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: him as this extremely elder and that doesn't seem like

634
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: the same power dynamic that we often see, you know

635
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: what I mean. He's a tough coach, but he's like

636
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: one of them throughout the movie. I also think, of course,

637
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: we love in movies when you know the person who

638
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: gets the guy isn't like the supermodel that you would

639
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: expect them to always fall in love with. Now, of course,

640
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: hermander is like fucking hot again. Like I said earlier,

641
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: so hot throughout. But the Kira Knightley character always gets

642
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 1: the guy, and so for that not to happen, I

643
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: think is another like movie trope, but it's one that

644
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 1: even if you know what they're doing, you're still like

645
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: pretty happy about it. Yeah, And the director has talked

646
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: about that.

647
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: She's like I wanted this to end with Jess getting

648
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: it all, Like she gets it all, she can have

649
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: all that she wants, and I'm sure that's you know,

650
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: part of it.

651
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

652
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: The final character I want to discuss is Jess's dad,

653
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 2: and he speaks about his own experience of being discriminated

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Speaker 1: And you just made me think this It kind of

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