1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to It could happen here a podcast that is 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: uh you know this this this, this is the podcast 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: about the world falling apart. The world is in fact 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: falling apart extremely quickly right now. And I'm I'm your host, Christopher, 5 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: and I am here today to talk about an immense 6 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: occupying army with an extensive record of torture and extradicial killings. 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: I am referring, of course, to the Chicago Police Department 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: and with with me to talk about yet more just 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: absolute horrors that this department has committed here and worldwide. 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: I have Raven, who is a journalist in Chicago Free Media. Raven, 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, and thank you for joining us. Hi, 12 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: thank you for having me. How how how have you 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: been holding up in these uh oh boy, things are 14 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: going bad? Yeah, you know we uh we have discussed 15 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 1: doing this interview earlier this week, and I don't think 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: either of us expected uh Russia to invade Ukraine last night. 17 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: Yea was yeah, and that wasn't even the yeah, it 18 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: was the convoys. You know. This is this is a 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: this is a time of chaos and death. Um. But 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: I think it's important to understand that he has always 21 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: has always been a time of chaos and death. And yeah, 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: and I think especially where the Chicago Police Apartment is concerned. Um, 23 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: we've talked about we've we've talked about some of their 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: more famous crimes on the show. But I want to 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: have ravenond to talk about a police killing that I 26 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: don't think got that much attention. I mean not even 27 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: he got a lot of in Chicago, but even as 28 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: of Chicago, I don't think it's as well known as 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: some of the other police killings. And that's the killing 30 00:01:55,520 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: of Rakia Boyd. Um. Yeah, Ray, do you want to 31 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: walk us through how basically what what happened the night 32 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: that uh don't they serve and killed Riquet Boyd? And yeah, 33 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: we can start from there. Sure, sure, I mean there's 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: some context here for sure about sort of the the 35 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: way we ignore the murders of black women specifically. Um. 36 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: And you know, Rickia Boyd was was murdered after sort 37 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: of like the first wave of of national Black Lives 38 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: Matter protests. So it wasn't like it wasn't on the 39 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 1: radar right that people weren't talking about police killing black people. Um. 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: But there you know, there is this long standing issue 41 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: of course, was like the killings of black women specifically 42 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: not getting as much attention, right, And this was just 43 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: such a horrible, horrible incident that, like, I mean, looking 44 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: at the details, even even though I live here and 45 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 1: I was like around when it happened, and some of 46 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: our other you know, the other journalists and are collective 47 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: covered the protests and and the the court drama and everything, 48 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 1: it still just blows my mind. Um, the way this happened, 49 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: and um, you know, ultimately the most important thing to 50 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: take away from it is that her family never saw 51 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: a justice. He walked away. He walked away from the 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: incident and then went on to start training police in 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: Latin America, which we can talk about also, so so 54 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: not only did this that this Chicago police officer who 55 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 1: was off duty with an unregistered gun murder and innocent 56 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: twenty two year old black women hang out with her 57 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: friends in a park, He then got a job with 58 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: like a tactical training institute to travel to Honduras and 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: train police there. Yeah, I think, yeah we can. I think, yeah, 60 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: we definitely will be getting to the sort of international 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: ankle of this. But yeah, the explorer of American policing essentially, Yeah, 62 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: but I guess for people who aren't familiar with what happened, 63 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: UM can can can walk through that. Yeah. So, so 64 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: Serving showed up um at a park with an unregistered gun. 65 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: Um he you know, witnesses reported that he smelled like 66 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: alcohol that night. He may have been drinking. I don't 67 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: know if that that was ever verified, but certainly wouldn't 68 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: be surprising. Um showed up at this park to complain 69 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: about a group of people making noise and oneever key 70 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: Avoids friends approached the car with a cell phone in 71 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: his hand, which Servant then would go on to say, 72 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: I thought was a gun and started firing shots and 73 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: shot Rocky avoiding the head. Um. He wasn't on duty, 74 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't actively policing. This was totally totally outside of 75 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: the realm of duty incident, right yeah, Um, And no 76 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 1: weapon was ever recovered from the scene, nothing like that. 77 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: I mean it was there was no in no universe 78 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: was there any justification for this, right. It just defies 79 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 1: It defies logic like that that it could even happen 80 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 1: this way. Um. And after it happened, you know, so 81 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: not only did he kill Rickie avoid in this park, Um, 82 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: but after it happened. There was there was just a 83 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: lot of like there were a lot of missteps in 84 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: in the justice system. Um. And it had been I think, 85 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: I want to say, like seventeen years at that point 86 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: since a Chicago cop had actually been charged with with murder, right, Um, 87 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 1: so it has been a long time since there had 88 00:05:54,160 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: been even any accountability. And um, basically, the prosecutor there 89 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: was something called a directed verdict where the prosecutor essentially 90 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: under charged him intentionally or we think it was intentionally, 91 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: um with with like reckless conduct and manslaughter. And the 92 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 1: judge tossed the case because the judge was saying, you know, 93 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 1: it didn't even meet the criteria for for reckless conduct 94 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: because it was clearly first degree murder. And then he 95 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: couldn't be tried again because of rules surrounding double jeopardy, 96 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: which is like just a it's just like what like 97 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: it's it's such like I was reading this, it's baffling, 98 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: Like it's like this whole thing is like it's it's 99 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: very like very very seemed very clearly stl to fail. 100 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, like we're we're gonna we're gonna intentionally 101 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: have a case when we try this guy with things 102 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: that you that you just you cannot convict him of 103 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: because like again it's it's it's not it's not like manslaughter. 104 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: He just he drove up and shot her, right, He 105 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: very very clearly with intention shot Ricky Boyd. And it 106 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: very much seems like they planned this out, that they 107 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: were like and you know this is we've talked about 108 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: this on on their last CPD episode, Like prosecutors collaborate 109 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: with judges and the police constantly because that's just how 110 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: the thing called the justice system works. Um. But like yeah, 111 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: like this is like a parcatulally egregious example of them 112 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: just setting up a case that they know that they 113 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: just knew would fail exactly. And this is the same 114 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: prosecutor who was ousted in the aftermath of the Laca 115 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: McDonald murder. Um. You know, there were there were very 116 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: large protests. Then there was a hashtag going on social media. 117 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: Her name is Anita Alvarez. So the hashtag was by 118 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: Anita Yeah, and and it was Anita Alphare's Like I 119 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: think people out the city probably didn't I don't know 120 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: about much about this, but like this Anita Alvarez was 121 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: like so hated that, like like every like like everyone 122 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: in the city basically worked together a runner out like 123 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: you had, like you had like liberals and anarchist groups 124 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: like working together like like like everyone in this like 125 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: all like the the the electoralists, nanti electoralists, like the 126 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: people who just like have no politics basically whatsoever. Like 127 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: it was, it was just sort of it was just 128 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 1: really incredible like coalition because she, like just the stuff 129 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Anita Alvarez is doing is just so egregious that everyone 130 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: was able to find a way to put aside their 131 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: differences on just the logic of get her out right right. 132 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: But you know, to note again that was in the 133 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: aftermath of the Lacom McDonald shooting, and you know, it 134 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: wasn't it didn't happened with Rickia Boyd. Wasn't enough for 135 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: those large protests. And and this is not to like 136 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: Denni Grete or to mean the people who did come 137 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: out in protests, because it's still like, like there were 138 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: still protests, don't get me wrong, Like people showed up 139 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: for Rakiya. But the difference in people showing up for 140 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 1: Rakia and people showing up for black men being shot, 141 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: you know, like that that's something that black women have 142 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: drawn attention to you. You know, they're like, why don't 143 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: you care when we get murdered? Um, And it's just 144 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 1: it's become this sort of um, you know, ongoing chance, 145 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: Like if you go to any Chicago racial justice protests, 146 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: you will hear people say we do this for Lakwan, 147 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: we do this for Rakiya, because it's just one of 148 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: those names that, for whatever reason, based on what was 149 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: going on in the media at the time, just like 150 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: didn't make its way outside of Chicago very much. Um. 151 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: And we're seeing a similar sort of situation right now 152 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,439 Speaker 1: with what happened with the mirror loock in Minneapolis. Right 153 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Like that was something where I think a lot of 154 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: us thought, Okay, wow, this this is gonna this is 155 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: going to explode. You know, this is such just a 156 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: horrible miscarriage of justice, Like how could this happen? Um, 157 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: Surely there will be massive protests again, you know, something 158 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: like that. And of course you know Minneapolis was out there. 159 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: We had like some small actions here in Chicago, but 160 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: I didn't really catch fire, so to say. I mean, 161 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 1: I think that there's always sort of cycles of this 162 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: where you know, there there's cycles where you get these 163 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:50,559 Speaker 1: massive protect cycles you don't but you know, and I 164 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: think this is one of the things with that you 165 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: can look at with the cube way to where it's 166 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: it's like, regardless of whether people are in the streets 167 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: or not, the link continues. And yeah, and I think 168 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: that's just just sort of that's an extremely grim thing 169 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: to live with, but that that just you know, that 170 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: that that's just what the police is, right and until 171 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, until they are actually stopped, you're just going 172 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: to keep getting this cycle of I don't even know 173 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: if select selective outrage is the right word, but you 174 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: get these cycles of people who get murdered and there's 175 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: just protests and people who get murdered can get forgotten 176 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah, and and it really does seem 177 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: to be kind of you know, there's a lot of 178 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: layers to it, like like obviously the misogyny against black 179 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: women is part of it, and I think the media 180 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: just you know, is a part of it too. Like 181 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a part of the media and in 182 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: a sense, but we're alternative media, so it's a little 183 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 1: bit different. But you know, like there are there are 184 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: choices made behind closed doors about what stories to follow 185 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: and and amplify, and um, I will say. You know 186 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: what I will say is I think because of what 187 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: happened in I think there's a lot more scrutiny on 188 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 1: Chicago police now, at least more mainstream scrutiny of them 189 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: than there was back in when Rikiya was murdered. Um. 190 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 1: And that's not to say that we're doing enough because 191 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: we because we absolutely are not. But I think did 192 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: in some way, you know, push things just like a 193 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: little bit further, if that makes sense that you know, 194 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: there are some more liberal mainstream types of people talking 195 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: about the horrors of Chicago policing and and all of that. 196 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: But you know, when it comes to Chicago police, like 197 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: I just they're they're apparatus is so massive, like not 198 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: just from like the funding they get, but like their 199 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: media and pr you know, the prosecutors and the judges 200 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 1: like you mentioned are absolutely part of the policing apparatus. 201 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: Like they're not separate, right, It's prosecutors are cops. And 202 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: we have a prosecutor for a mayor and she is 203 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,599 Speaker 1: a cop like like and and you know it was 204 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 1: black youth who tried so hard to speak up about 205 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: this before she was elected and and said like Lori 206 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: life but is a cop, and people didn't listen to them. 207 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: And that's where we're at now, where we have this 208 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: this prosecutor for a mayor who's because of her background, 209 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: like she can only view things through a punitive lens. 210 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: Like her answer to everything is just punishment. How can 211 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: we how can we punish people? Yeah, the only things 212 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: she she was trying to do recently, what she wanted 213 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: to do these like basically this measure where they called 214 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: it like an anti gang funding thing, but it was 215 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: basically just like if there's a group of people you 216 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: can just take the cops can just take money from them. 217 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: And it was like it was just an incredible things 218 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: like it was it was you know, part of what's 219 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: going on here is that I've talked about this before, 220 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: but like Lori Lightfoot is you know, at the time, 221 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: I think people voted for her partially because they just 222 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 1: didn't listen and the north Siders were just like, oh hey, 223 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: look it's Loria Lightfoot. But then you know, like part 224 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: part of it was she she she ran as like 225 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: the anti machine candidate, and it was like, no, she's 226 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: just a cop. But like when I think the just 227 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: thing is you know, like she she's like incredibly widely hated, 228 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: like to the point where like, you know, the Chicago 229 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: City Council is like not notably a a anti police body, 230 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: but like even the city Council was like, you can't 231 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: do this, Like then they you know, they actually blocked 232 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: I think if if if, if I'm if I'm getting 233 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: my my my facts right on this, Like I'm pretty 234 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they blocked life with reposal because it 235 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: was just like yeah, and that that's been one of 236 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: the things that was like We've had a couple of 237 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: like weird kind of like attempts to reign the CPD 238 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: in but they're not really happening because of like anti 239 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: police sentiment. They're basically happening because the city Council's feuding 240 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 1: with a mayor. Weird. Yeah, And and you know I've 241 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: seen it, like it's it's she's such an god I 242 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: could the figure of mayor Lord Lori Lightfoot. I Mean, 243 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: it just makes no sense, right because she's hated by 244 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: people on the left, you know, who obviously are anti police. Thing, 245 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: she's also hated by the police. Yeah, I mean, it's 246 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: just like yeah, she I mean if you go through 247 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: any of the conservative like cop blogs and Twitter accounts, 248 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, Chicago police are very active on social media, right, 249 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: which is you know, it's whole, a whole thing in 250 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: of itself. These people, you know, they shouldn't be pope 251 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: broadcasting the things on social media that they do. But 252 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 1: she's universally hated by everyone at this point. Um, so 253 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's just been a really it's been a 254 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: really tough couple of years for Chicago since the riots, 255 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: especially because Chicago just the word has become so loaded 256 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: in the national media, right, like it's become this this 257 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: this racist boogeyman essentially for like what what could happen 258 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: to your city if if the woke mobs successfully defund 259 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: police or you know whatever, which is completely at odds 260 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: with reality because at no point have we defunded the police. 261 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: Like that just keeps increased. Yeah, like what what's what? 262 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: What's the budget is? Like, like is it I want 263 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: to say the total budget but I think that's low. 264 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: It's something like that. I mean it's billions of dollars. 265 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: Like we're pumping billions of dollars into this standing army 266 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: that is that is basically occupying of trio's budget goes 267 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: to the police department, right, right, And you know all 268 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: of that money could obviously defend on other things. And 269 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: and we know, like we know what reduces crime. I mean, 270 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: obviously we could get into like the category of what 271 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 1: even is a crime? Right, Like, there are certainly lots 272 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: of things that shouldn't be labeled crimes that are but 273 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: we know that communities with resources don't have significant violent 274 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: crime problems. Like we know that lifting people out of 275 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: poverty and giving them opportunities and homes and all of 276 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: these things, like we know that that reduces in our 277 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: personal harm. And instead we just keep looking at everything 278 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 1: through this lens of punishment and how punitive we can be. Yeah, yeah, 279 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: and it's been I don't know. The Chicago Police Department 280 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: is just it's just an absolute horror show. Um. And 281 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: it's a horror show. And and they're also like it's 282 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: a horror show not just because of how evil they are, 283 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: but also because they're incompetent, right yeah, Like you've got 284 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 1: them doing all of these really bad things, and then 285 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: they also just like struggle to to cover up their 286 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: crime and then they're messing up like along the way 287 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: at every step. Yeah, and it's yeah, I don't know, 288 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 1: they have the CPDS like it's they have this kind 289 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: of you know, I mean, I don't know, I don't 290 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: know how you exactly unique it is. But but I 291 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: think going back to our sort of theory of like 292 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: every police department has one thing that they're really good 293 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: at it, the CBD has the NIU combination of like incompetence, torture, 294 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: and crime that they do. That's like, I think, so 295 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: I think sets it apart from a lot of other 296 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: UM police departments. I think that's a good place to 297 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: sort of jump off into the second I guess part 298 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: of the Ricki of Boyd story, or really it seems 299 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: to be the Rikia Boyd story, it's the story of 300 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: Dante Servant, which is his role in essentially exporting American 301 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: policing and the horrors of UM, the horrors of the 302 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: American policysm the horrors of sort of American imperialism to 303 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: other countries, because it is it is not enough that 304 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: the CPD murders people here, They've also got to do 305 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: it other places, right, right, And and so there was 306 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,680 Speaker 1: a there was a Chicago reader piece written about this 307 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: UM back in February. Sergeants not mentioned in it, but 308 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: it was a really good story. I recommend people look 309 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: it up because you know, some of this research is 310 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: not like my original research, right, it's it's stems from 311 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: the research that people with the Invisible Institute did. But essentially, 312 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, there are Chicago police officers and there's one 313 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: in particular, his name is Aaron Cunningham. He's the man 314 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 1: who um founded this tactical Training Institute UM that go 315 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, they go abroad, like they go to different 316 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: countries and and it's private, privately funded, so they claim 317 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,199 Speaker 1: to be working with with the says, and there's a 318 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: lot of like weird gray area there where there's not 319 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of oversight and nobody really knows, like are 320 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,479 Speaker 1: you getting federal money to do this? Are you just 321 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: saying you are? Like like what's the deal? Right? But 322 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: the Cunningham was essentially like a crooked cop who funded 323 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: this tactical training institute so that they go overseas to 324 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 1: underresourced countries with underresourced police departments and train them and 325 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: how to be police. They train them in crowd control, 326 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: they train them in like narcotics and drug investigations, they 327 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: train them in like gang warfare, you know all of 328 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: these things, right, And these are countries that have tremendous 329 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: issues with like you know, outright warfare going on between 330 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: gangs and the existing police forces. Right, so they're in 331 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: desperate need of of of aid of assistance. And and 332 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 1: of course, like some of these conflicts that are going 333 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 1: on stem from American imperialism to begin with, right, So 334 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 1: it's like we caused the problem, ums, then we're going 335 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 1: to come in and like and a bunch of cops 336 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: over who, like you know, have extensive misconduct records and 337 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 1: there in their home city, and some of them have 338 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 1: even just like murdered innocent women in the park, And 339 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna have them train your guys into how to 340 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: be cops. Yeah, and and yeah, you know that that 341 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: goes about as well as you would expect it to, 342 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: which is one of one of the things that the 343 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: reader piece talks about is so one of they these 344 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 1: guys keep brought in to train a bunch of cops 345 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: now Salvador after the Salvadoria police do a bunch of 346 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 1: horrible massacres, and then they trained these cops and then 347 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: they cops immediately turned around and also again do a 348 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: bunch of horrible massacres. And it's this, it's this, you know, 349 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 1: I mean, I I don't want to de emphasize the 350 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: fact that like the like Al Salvador for example, like 351 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: is a place that has its own like native right 352 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: wing like it has there, like it has its own 353 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: salvageory like right wing death squads, right and they they 354 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, in the back by the CIA. But like, 355 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: and I don't want to like under my underplay just 356 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: how violent, just like the local reactionaries are because it's 357 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: it's not it's like it's it's it's it's not like 358 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 1: they wouldn't also be death squads if the US wasn't there, 359 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: but like the US you know, and the Chocolate Police 360 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,119 Speaker 1: Apartment sending people to train them is making them even worse. 361 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:38,400 Speaker 1: And it's yeah, yeah, And and every place has their 362 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: own right wing reactionaries, right like we're seeing right now. 363 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: To bring to loop everything together and just bring us 364 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: back to like what's going on with Ukraine and Russia. Um, 365 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: it's related, you know, like both sides of this conflict 366 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: have their own reactionary right wing forces, right, yeah, and 367 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: anywhere you go around the world. That's going to be 368 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: a sting and empires like the American Empire or the 369 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,199 Speaker 1: Russian Empire are or the El Salvador Empire, you know, 370 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: whatever empire, they're going to be looking for ways to 371 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: take advantage of those forces and see their own ads. 372 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: I think that what I think is important, Like one 373 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 1: of the things I think is important about this politically 374 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: is to understand that there is a like there there 375 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: there is an incredible amount of international solidarity between cops, 376 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: right they have you know like that you know, I've 377 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: seen I think there's a book called the Thin Blue 378 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: Line International, but it's it's yeah, I mean, that's that's 379 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: that's a thing like you see this basically where the cops, 380 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: like the comps know which side they're on and it's 381 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 1: the side of the other cops. And I think that's 382 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: something that that confuses a lot of people because you 383 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 1: can thinks like for example, like like the Chinese police, right, 384 00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: like the Chinese police like go like we're trained by 385 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, well, you know, okay, so the 386 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: like the Traine Police in Hong Kong, for example, like 387 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: that that police force like is still literally just a 388 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: colonial British police force. They just they didn't even like 389 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: they didn't even bring in new people. They just like 390 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: promoted a new person who was a British colonial police 391 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: officer and then made them the new head of the police. 392 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: And then you know, and those those and those cops 393 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,680 Speaker 1: are also trained by the trained by American comps trainer 394 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: British cops. Uh, they're trained a lot by Israeli cops. 395 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: Um this and this is this is the same thing. 396 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's the same thing with with with with 397 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: like the you know, like this this is the sort 398 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: of the same effect that gets you like Eric Prince, 399 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 1: like you know, being being like hired by the CCP 400 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: to run stuff and change on. Like it's it's there's 401 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: there's an incredible right wing sort of militarist comp alliance 402 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: that go just you know, it's it's it's, it's, it's. 403 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 1: It's it's a kind of internet actually a police solidarity 404 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: that scrambles a lot of the sort of perceptions of 405 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: what people think, like like what what how how people 406 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: try to think about the world, because yeah, and you know, 407 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 1: and like fundamentally, like the basis they have is the 408 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 1: defensive property and the defensive sort of the like the 409 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: I usually call like the the global white supremacist regime. 410 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,679 Speaker 1: And they all know, you know, when when when an 411 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: American cop goestaw Salvador, like, they they know which side 412 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: they're on. They're on the cops side, and it's and 413 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: you know, and and they share, they share information, they 414 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 1: share weapons, they share tactics, they share I mean just 415 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: literally people, they share training and yeah, and and of 416 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: course because again it's the cpd uh they shared Dante servant. Yeah, 417 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: and so he he I you know, apparently at some 418 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: point very shortly after the murder of Rakiya Boyd, it 419 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,840 Speaker 1: looks like, based on what I've seen on his social 420 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: media and what if he's together from from his employment history, 421 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: it looks like he had begun working with one of 422 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: these tactical training institutes right before the murder. And then 423 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: he murdered Rickie avoid And I mean, I guess technically 424 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: I'm not supposed to use the word murder, but you know, 425 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:32,119 Speaker 1: uh yeah, no, fucking I mean murdered. And so so 426 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: he murdered Rickia Boyd and then everything happened with like 427 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: going through courts, and he walked away without being charged 428 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: or imprisoned. I mean he was charged, but without being 429 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: convicted or imprisoned. Then, um, the police board you know, 430 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,080 Speaker 1: recommended his firing, but he resigned two days before like 431 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 1: he was supposed to have his hearing, So he still 432 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: gets a pension. I'm pretty sure that's how sound word. 433 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: Um yeah, and so he gets yeah. I don't I 434 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 1: thought to confirm that, but I'm pretty sure he gets 435 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: the pension. So he resigns, and then at some point 436 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: after he resigns, he starts posting to social media about 437 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: his trips to Honduras. And you know, it's posting photos 438 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: of of like hanging out in the bar with with 439 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: the cops down there and and kind of just all 440 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 1: of that. And this is not like public information like 441 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: it's he has like a LinkedIn page where he looks 442 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: like live the things he's been doing. Like like this 443 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: is completely public. I don't know like why nobody knows 444 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: about it or has talked about it. Um. But you 445 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: know that also I think just comes back to this 446 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: murder kind of flying under the national radar a lot um. 447 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: And so you know, we don't know what company or 448 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: organization he's there with. Um, it doesn't say he's with 449 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: International Tactical Training Association, which is the Chicago based group 450 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 1: led by Aaron Cunningham and his wife. My guests would 451 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: be it's that group because that's the big one out 452 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: of space, out of Chicago. But you know, like we can't, 453 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: I can't prove it. It could be another. It could 454 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: be another right wing tactical training group that's training squads. 455 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: A yeah. And that's the thing, right, is that this 456 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: is not just happening here in Chicago. So like there 457 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: are these tactical training groups all over and there are 458 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: a number of US based ones started by different police 459 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: officers from different departments because it's kind of like a 460 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: career path for them in a sense because it's the 461 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 1: thing they can do once they retire. You get and 462 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 1: it's a moneymaker. You hold these these tactical training seminars. 463 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: And so a number of them are domestically based, right, 464 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: Like they're not necessarily going overseas, but what they're doing 465 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: is they're they're having these seminars and their training other 466 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: police officers in like certain things, Like some of them 467 00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,720 Speaker 1: might be like an afternoon session where you go and 468 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: you learn about like you know, firearms safety or something. 469 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: Then there might be like larger ones where you go 470 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: and you like stay and camp out for like three 471 00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: days and you practice like ambushing gorilla gangs in the 472 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,000 Speaker 1: jungle or something like that. Um. And then a lot 473 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 1: of them are are based around guns safety and firearms training, 474 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: and some of those are open as with the general public. 475 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: It depends. Some of these are like only for other 476 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: cops or law enforcement and you have to like show 477 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 1: I D or military and you have to prove um 478 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: that you're affiliated with police or military. Some of them 479 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: are open to the public and you just have to 480 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: have like a firearms cart. So that's problematic for one 481 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: reason because we found out in the aftermath of the 482 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: January six Capital riot that a number of a number 483 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: of the Capital rioters did attend like firearms training classes, 484 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: tactical training classes in just various sort of locations. So 485 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: this is a way for officers who have left the 486 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: force for whatever reason to then have a captive audience. 487 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, they're teaching them how to like shoot guns 488 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: and you know follow them more like specific sort of 489 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 1: things like that. But what kind of conversations are they having, 490 00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: Like what kind of ideology is being espoused, what kind 491 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: of other people are showing up to these meetings and 492 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: what are they talking about, what groups are they were 493 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,720 Speaker 1: creating for, what are their affiliations? Yeah, and I think 494 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: and I think that that's something that's important to think 495 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: about and also to you know, have have more generations 496 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 1: of journalists look into because you know, when when you 497 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: look at these I mean like we know we we 498 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 1: we've had stories like this before, right, Like, I mean, 499 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: this is a lot of how for example, like the 500 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: Taiwanese Special Forces for example, uh spent an enormous amount 501 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 1: of parst specialce especially just the Taiwanese armies spent a 502 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: enormous amount of time doing stuff very similar to this. 503 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: And you know, the the product of that was and 504 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: this is a this is called warrior Um. They're doing 505 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: this the seventies and during this in the eighties, some 506 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: seven the sixties, um, you know, and and I mean 507 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: the product of this is like arena. The product of 508 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: this is you know, the like like one of the 509 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: people they trained did the Almozote massacre, like and that 510 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: that that kind of stuff. You can you can trace 511 00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 1: these these influence networks and you can trace these sort 512 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: of I mean a lot of this is I mean 513 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: literally just funded by weird cults, um. But you can, 514 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 1: you know, you can trace these different sort of paramilitary 515 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: and intelligence influence networks, and what you see at the 516 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: end of them is like a lot of the time, 517 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: it's just a bunch of fascists, and it's a bunch 518 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: of it's a bunch of fascists doing coups. And you know, 519 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 1: like in some sense like yeah, this is this is 520 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: a kind of like you know, like liberal democracy has 521 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: this sort of problem, right, which is in order for 522 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: liberal democracy too, you know, function as a liberal democracy, 523 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: you have to have cops. And that means that you're 524 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: you know, you are producing domestically and internationally a group 525 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: of just ferocious, bloodthirsty right wing murderers, and you're you're 526 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: giving them sat the thority, and you're giving them all 527 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: these training and weapons, and you know, the product of 528 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: that is they do what they're training to do, which 529 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: is they kill people, they torture people, They train other 530 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: people how to do this, and yeah, you get these 531 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 1: these cascading series of effects that lead you know, a 532 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: bunch of people taking these classes January six, they lead 533 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: them to coups all over the world. 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