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Speaker 1: am joining by a room that's teeming with heroes, Mark Sessler,

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Connie Fox, and Greg Rosenthal. Well, what's up people, Hey, hihihi.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually only uh answering to cute boy now after

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Speaker 1: what Mark called me last set. At some point when

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Speaker 1: there's got to be a cute boy shirt with Greg's

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Speaker 1: face on it, no doubt. Yes, please, it's picking up

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Speaker 1: that what they call that? Scientist? I don't know what's happening. Yes,

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Speaker 1: this is our third show and as many days, and

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Speaker 1: I'm down, Greg. Happy New Year, by the way, to everyone.

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Speaker 1: else that happened since then. But that kind of laid

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Speaker 1: as a really great locker room guy in respected so

428
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Speaker 1: like you're happy to see a guy like that make

429
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Speaker 1: a lot of money, but I don't think long term

430
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Speaker 1: that's how you win. The offensive line has been a

431
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Speaker 1: disaster for years and years. They finally addressed it. It's

432
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Speaker 1: an upgrade. And look at the market for especially offensive

433
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: tackles right now he's the only one. And then you

434
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: look at the draft. I mean, you had to pay him.

435
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Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, we know there's offensive line issues

436
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,199
Speaker 1: in terms of depth on the free agent market in

437
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: the draft, it's probably gonna get worse and worse, and

438
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Speaker 1: if you're the Giants, you don't have another choice but

439
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,160
Speaker 1: to chase these guys. But he now, he's he's making

440
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Speaker 1: more than Andy Dalton and Alex Smith. And I do

441
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: think you end up paying for these things eventually when

442
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Speaker 1: you can't draft and develop, and hopefully, I'm sure the

443
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Speaker 1: Giants are looking to draft a tackle and develop a

444
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Speaker 1: left tackle. And I know you're not worried because you're

445
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: never worried about the Patriots. And I understand that. But

446
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: Nate's Solder, Danny Amdola, Dion Lewis, uh and who else?

447
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:47,159
Speaker 1: There's one more big defection, Bill Belichick. He'll be Malcolm

448
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: obviously all gone. It's the Patriots model is that you

449
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,959
Speaker 1: used the draft and smart signings to retool. But as

450
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 1: the a f C seems to be bulking up a

451
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Speaker 1: little bit, should Patriots a little bit nervous. They have

452
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Speaker 1: these periods and I think the last two years just

453
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 1: naturally it's happened quite a bit. But as a Patriots fan,

454
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: you just think back to how this you have exact

455
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: comparisons for this happening again, when Matt Light left, that

456
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: was a bigger hole to fill. They filled it immediately

457
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 1: with Soldier. They've had a billion great third down backs

458
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 1: like Dion Lewis. They've cycled in great cornerbacks and some

459
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: bad ones they got rid of, you know, ty law

460
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: lawyer malloy. They always have an answer for it. Like

461
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Speaker 1: they lose Adam Vinitary, they draft Stephen Gostkowski that year.

462
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Speaker 1: Translation is not worried at all, which one in the

463
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 1: Bill's Dolphins and Jets and Patriots fans. That's that's the

464
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Speaker 1: other is thought about the division with the Patriots though,

465
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Speaker 1: it's it's the Super Bowl doctrine. Anything less than the

466
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Speaker 1: championships failure, So it would be easy to get there

467
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Speaker 1: when you win. Then in the division, it's a lot.

468
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of players, but Butler to me, was

469
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Speaker 1: the one real difference maker out of those and even

470
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Speaker 1: even he is coming off of the tough year. It's

471
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Speaker 1: amazing to watch perception shift on these free agents. It

472
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: was just a year ago about this time when people

473
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Speaker 1: are talking about Solder being a lot of ability after

474
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Speaker 1: giving up eleven hurries in the Super Bowl. Uh, the

475
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Speaker 1: Patriots did bring back Rex Burkhead on a three year

476
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, So he will stay in there

477
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Speaker 1: with You got James White still there, Brandon Bolden and Bolden,

478
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: so it's not like you're completely empty in that. Bring

479
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Speaker 1: back like Eric Blood why not. He's a funny. They

480
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 1: are missing that kind of running back if they want to,

481
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Speaker 1: if they want that in their offense. One other move

482
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Speaker 1: by the New York Giants, Uh, Jonathan Stewart signed with

483
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Speaker 1: the team. He's about to turn thirty one next week.

484
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Speaker 1: The deals were two years, up to eight point four million,

485
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Speaker 1: almost three million guaranteed. I don't know about this one. Mark. Well,

486
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: when you're killing me about not loving every article, this

487
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: might be bad that's the this might be bad alarm.

488
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Speaker 1: It's not that much money, though, if you look at

489
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Speaker 1: it per season, it seems like unnecessary. I wouldn't worry

490
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Speaker 1: about him too much. The answer they could They could

491
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Speaker 1: drap Barkley Dave Yeah, I mean at number two, they

492
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: could definitely get sa Quon Still and Dave Gettleman and

493
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Mike Shula. They obviously, I guess know something maybe that

494
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: we don't. They know him better than anybody else, right, Like, ay,

495
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:14,199
Speaker 1: Giants fans, we're putting the old Panthers offense, but just

496
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 1: take out Cam Newton and bring an Eli Manning hitting

497
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Speaker 1: out against the Giants. It's three million, three million more

498
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Speaker 1: and guarantees than I expected. Jonathan Stewart, Well, do you

499
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 1: think that's a Gettleman scenario where it's it's over to

500
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Speaker 1: a bass guy? I mean, why you can't be doing that?

501
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 1: And by way, that drop is up for grabs. Or

502
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Speaker 1: anyone for the rest of the show. If there's a

503
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: deal that you don't like, you just let lindsay know

504
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,160
Speaker 1: and what do we are we you know like back channels.

505
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: We like text her until we want to come up.

506
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 1: Lindsay just when you what's you go like this? You

507
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 1: clap your hands over your head the safety okay, or

508
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: you could just say it might be bad. Well no,

509
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,440
Speaker 1: but I like the idea of a safety move. Now

510
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: that just seems fun in general. Okay, there we go,

511
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: like Jeff Trip, like the listeners can totally see. Yeah,

512
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Speaker 1: it's not a visual medium, but it'll be fun just

513
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,440
Speaker 1: for us. No, No, I have I have this kid's

514
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: book where it actually shows you how to make the

515
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: different signal calls as an official. I don't know why.

516
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Speaker 1: I think I think my mom founded at some free

517
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Speaker 1: library giveaway and gave it to my three year old son.

518
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Speaker 1: And so now I'm really on top of how to

519
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Speaker 1: do safety. And let's now talk about the moves being

520
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Speaker 1: made by my New York Jets. We'll start at the

521
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Speaker 1: quarterback position. Josh McCown, as we talked about yesterday, signed

522
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Speaker 1: a one year deal worth ten million uh. They also

523
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: brought in Teddy Bridgewater who signs a one year deal.

524
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Speaker 1: We don't know what the guaranteed money is on this one,

525
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: but it's up to uh fifteen. I doubt he'll ever

526
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: see anything close to that amount, but who knows. Uh. So,

527
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: the Jets have now two quarterbacks in the building. It

528
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: almost certainly spells the end for Bryce Petty and probably

529
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Speaker 1: Christian Hackenburg because you think West that they'll probably get

530
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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the draft as well. Your thoughts on

531
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Speaker 1: the Jets uh remodeling in their QB room? No, well,

532
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: it's thing that would get anyone excited. But anything that

533
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: spells the end for Hackenburg and Petty, it's good news

534
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: and it means Jets fans don't need to be scared

535
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: to death every November and December that these guys might

536
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: actually see the field. And you know, Mark, you you

537
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: get there are certain tropes on Twitter you'll get in

538
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 1: your mentions of people just making fun of your team

539
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: Hackenburg for about two years right now, that couldn't have

540
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 1: been feel like anytime I tweet about a quarterback, why

541
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: don't you just put Hacken? Oh, don't forget about Hackenburg.

542
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: I didn't draft the bastard, right, Well, know you buy Vicarry,

543
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 1: get you get its hatch to these he seems like

544
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: a nice guy. Do you think he may have a

545
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: father in a mother? We don't know that. Do you

546
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: think Chris Law is still tracking all the doubters? Uh? Yeah,

547
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I haven't heard much on the Chris Law, the former

548
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: rich eyes and producer tracking with a list. I believe

549
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: that people that were doubting Christian Hackenburg. I think that

550
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: this was a tough a tough spot for Teddy Bridgewater.

551
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: I did a winners and losers from the first day,

552
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: and unfortunately, I think Teddy Bridgewater is a big loser

553
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: in this process. The Vikings didn't want him. He's a

554
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: backup to Josh mccow on. We haven't seen the details.

555
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's gonna be guaranteed money, but

556
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: he could be the number three quarterback behind Josh McCown

557
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: in a rookie that's a lot to deal with and

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: an offensive coordinator, the new one, Jeremy Bates, is gonna

559
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: have a lot to deal with in in Teddy Bridgewater.

560
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: If they draft the rookies just kind of gonna be

561
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: an afterthought. That's a tough place to rebuild his value.

562
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Speaker 1: Or get on the field. Only flip side is that

563
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: Josh McCown I think is a great person to bring

564
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: in for any team when you have young quarterbacks. So

565
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: I like to I like resigning him, but he's not

566
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: durable necessarily. So let's say Bridgewater gets eight starts and

567
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: he plays well. He has on a one year deal.

568
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: It could be the kind of thing where he markets

569
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: himself for a nice a year from now. We're glowing

570
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: over the deal he got during this drunken week, I

571
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: think straight. I think he just didn't have options though

572
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: this time. If you're talking about durability, though, we have

573
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Speaker 1: no idea how Teddy Bridgewater's knee is going to hold

574
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Speaker 1: up through any of these. The last time he started

575
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: a game was when the Vikings were playing the Seahawks.

576
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you you have Josh McCown back in there,

577
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Speaker 1: who was familiar with the guys and the offense there,

578
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Speaker 1: and he did a really good job holding everything together

579
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Speaker 1: and keeping them competitive last year. Teddy, you don't know

580
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. It's a total wild card. I

581
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: think it gives the Jet some options to that they

582
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: won't be, in my opinion, as desperate on draft Day

583
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Speaker 1: because it's gonna, as we talked about on Tuesday, it's

584
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy at the top of that board with

585
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: the bills involved now heavily. UH. Now you have two

586
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: guys in house, and you could choose if you want

587
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 1: maybe to wait it out and see if a guy

588
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: falls to you at six, and if you do, decide

589
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: either to trade up, trade up to get a QB

590
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: or one falls to you at six, could draft him

591
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Speaker 1: and then as we've has been I didn't come up

592
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Speaker 1: with this, but a lot of people are using the

593
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Speaker 1: Eagles of two thousand sixteen as an example. You could

594
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 1: dangle a Teddy b or a Josh McCown if someone

595
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,479
Speaker 1: gets hurt and during training camp, it's not a terrible

596
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 1: thing to have a depth at the quarterback position. The

597
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: Seahawks in a similar thing. When you boy Matt Flynn

598
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Speaker 1: was signed and drafted Wilson, I can't wait for the

599
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: Jets dangle Teddy headlines. The Jets also signed Truemayin Johnson,

600
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: the number one cornerback on the market, to a massive deal.

601
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: UH gets fifteen million annually. It's a lot of money,

602
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 1: but he's a twenty year old cornerback. Big man cover

603
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: type guy that fits in perfectly with Bowls his schemes.

604
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: So I'm happy about that. And with those two young

605
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: safeties and Naturrewmaine Johnson, they're very close to having a

606
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: real secondary, which they haven't had in Bowls time. Uh.

607
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: Avery Williamson also signed to replace the Mario Davis and

608
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 1: Isaiah Isaiah car Well Mark the former Brown's running back,

609
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: also in New York. So they're spending that money West.

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00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: Are the Jets gonna be any better than year? Just

611
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: hit me? Got an identity in the secondary there? How

612
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: about that? Well, let's they got a connection to two

613
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: Honey Badger too. Todd Bowls was also his defensive coiner.

614
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: So maybe that's not just that his daughter uh fathered

615
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: or a stepdaughter fathered Honey Badger's child. That's a real

616
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: thing that's out there. Fathered, his daughter fathered a child,

617
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Speaker 1: his stepdaughter who's to his stepdaughter fathered Honey Badgers child.

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00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: Todd Bowls's stepdaughter is Honey Badger's baby mama. Yes, that's

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00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,239
Speaker 1: another way to say it. And their their relations are

620
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: going well. I don't know. I'm just saying I could

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Speaker 1: play into a direct connection to Todd Bowls though it's

622
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: better than like Kirk cousins sister lives in Phoenix. Jeremy

623
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Bates and Kirk Cousins are had never met but maybe

624
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: would be friends. Like those type of connections are less

625
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: they are and they're also less convoluted. But yes, I

626
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: think with the Tremaine Johnson uh signing, you have a

627
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: little connection there too with his former position coach with

628
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the Rams, Dennard Wilson is the dB coach there with

629
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Speaker 1: the Jets. And then also the thing that I was

630
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: thinking about with Isaiah crow Well is all of the

631
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: stuff from last year about him being really frustrated and

632
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: super vocal about not getting enough carried totally mismanaged. I'm

633
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: not saying it is an all proneything, but like totally

634
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: mismanaged last year, like all these moves, like the Isaiah

635
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: Crowell move, especially when we found out that the Jets

636
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: were all in on Jerick McKinnon. We're gonna make him

637
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 1: really highly paid. The forty nine swooped and took him

638
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: from the Jets, and then the Jets felt the need

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Speaker 1: to just sign another running back, like right away, give

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Speaker 1: good money for a guy I don't know really makes

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00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: them much better. All Powell and Crowell to me, don't

642
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Speaker 1: feel that different. Like Billy Pal's almost thirty years old,

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00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: sneaky old Billy. Jermaine Johnson got thirty four million dollars guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I do like at least that Todd Bowles

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Speaker 1: has kind of creating an identity with that defense, and

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00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: that's going to be a very difficult team to throw secondary.

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Speaker 1: Tough team to throw on. They are while they're hoping

648
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Speaker 1: to be two young safeties Tremaine Johnson, it's a talented secondary.

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Speaker 1: To put it more accurately, Todd Bowse is hoping to

650
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Speaker 1: build an identity that that's the plan. But they are

651
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Speaker 1: not hard to pass on right now. Well, they're very

652
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Speaker 1: easy to pass on for the past three years, but

653
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Speaker 1: maybe it will be increasingly difficult to pass on with

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Speaker 1: this recent moves the town second. That's that's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's the that's the hope if you're

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Speaker 1: a Jets fan. Moving on. The Buffalo Bills were the

657
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: only team entering ones they did not have a story

658
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback in place. Now they have a guy that's

659
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Speaker 1: at least a placeholder. A J. Mccaren signs a two

660
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Speaker 1: year deal with a team, Greg, I don't have the

661
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Speaker 1: financials on that. It's not out as we're taking. Okay, good, good, good.

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Speaker 1: So mccaren finds a gig, Colleen, Uh, not a great

663
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Speaker 1: situation for a J. Either. We're just talking about Teddy.

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Speaker 1: Because he thought he was going to have a nice market,

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Speaker 1: he ends up going to a team that very clearly

666
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Speaker 1: is telegraphing that they are looking for a quarterback in

667
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Speaker 1: the future. Next month. Yeah, I mean the Bills were

668
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Speaker 1: the last team without a quarterback and unless still the

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Speaker 1: last team without a quarterback. Yeah, now they have a J. Mccaren.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how much there is to

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Speaker 1: say about this because a J. Mccarren we don't really

672
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Speaker 1: know a whole lot about him either, No, we don't.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see the financial terms, just because if

674
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Speaker 1: it's very low, which I wouldn't be surprised because he

675
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Speaker 1: was kind of the last guy they just needed a

676
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Speaker 1: bridge quarterback. There's I would almost Yeah, I'm fine with

677
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Speaker 1: AJ mccaren if they're really all in on doing what

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Speaker 1: they're gonna do in the draft and they didn't have

679
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Speaker 1: to pay much like there wasn't they wanted Sam Bradford reportedly,

680
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with them not going all in on giving

681
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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford a huge amount of money if it's really

682
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 1: all about the rookie quarterback. And don't be surprised if

683
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: it's August and you're hearing that A. J. McCarron is

684
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: still behind Nathan Peterman on the depth they love well,

685
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: they loved Peterman last offseason. Maybe maybe the shine is

686
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: off after that, like one game where through twelve interceptions alone,

687
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Speaker 1: shouldn't do it. Mccaren's got to have some good media

688
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Speaker 1: whispers because remember before the draft, there was all those

689
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Speaker 1: reports of like, oh, there's a lot of teams that

690
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Speaker 1: say mccaren's the top quarterback on their board, absolutely getting

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Speaker 1: taken in the first round, ends up going to the

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Speaker 1: fourth round. Before this whole free agency thing, fifth round,

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Speaker 1: before this free agency, we heard all this like excitement

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Speaker 1: about McCarron and then he was kind of like the

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Speaker 1: last last girl at that. NOI of the Bengals that

696
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Speaker 1: they didn't get a second and third round pick from

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Speaker 1: the Browns last Halloween, give me a right, Oh my god, safety,

698
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Speaker 1: this might be bad. That's just what I'm hearing in

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Speaker 1: this room. Actually, I would argue it's the opposite. A J.

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Speaker 1: McCarron is great news because then you're more motivated to

701
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Speaker 1: trade up for you saying this might be good. If

702
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Speaker 1: he's the best you can do, you're gonna definitely trade

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Speaker 1: to you by Sons of the Tundra. Back to the Browns. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They signed Carlos Hide to a three year deal, the

767
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: former forty Niners running back. The deal is worth more

768
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: than fifteen million. Was six million in year one. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of money, especially Mark, if you're

770
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Speaker 1: gonna draft generational running back talent next month. I don't

771
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Speaker 1: think they're gonna, but my guests would be that they're

772
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Speaker 1: not going to draft bark Sequon Barkley at number one.

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Speaker 1: Just a guess. But I feel like they're throwing money

774
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Speaker 1: around a lot. And Okay, it could be fun. But

775
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: I even though I don't need the team to be

776
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: ninety million under the cap, that's absurd. I just worry

777
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Speaker 1: about too many of these scenarios where you're overpaying, you know,

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Speaker 1: findable talent, way too much money. And with Carlos Hide,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you lost crow L and you you're extending

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Speaker 1: Duke Johnson or they want to, and I like Carlos Hide.

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00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: It's fine. I hope Todd Haley can use running backs

782
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: better than Hugh Jackson did last year. When they signed

783
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Speaker 1: Carlos Hide and then Joe Thomas retires in the same day,

784
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: it makes me think they go quarterback and offensive tackle

785
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: early in the draft. I think quarterback number one, and

786
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: then we'll see it for people are saying that there

787
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: they could still draft Barkley. That's then why would you

788
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: be paying a running back six million dollars? That that's asinine.

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Speaker 1: They've at least, I think, decided they're not taking them

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: number one overall, you know what I mean, And so

791
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Speaker 1: they can't expect to have them at four because otherwise

792
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Speaker 1: you would just be throwing money away to have a

793
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: backup running back making six million dollars. Remember one year

794
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Speaker 1: when like people were freaking out because they signed the

795
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Speaker 1: best free agent available, Bent Tate, who was released the

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Speaker 1: best no, I mean in that free agent class. He

797
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: was like, oh, Bent Tate is ready to step into

798
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 1: a starting role. He's perfect for Cleveland because he was

799
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: buried behind Arian Foster and everyone thought he'd be Like

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Speaker 1: then they drafted to running backs, one of them I'd

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Speaker 1: say a crow l and he was off the team

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Speaker 1: by like late November for being an a hole. I

803
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: gotta say, I'm looking at give me a break with

804
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: these free agent like, you know, this is over exciting

805
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: about some of these signings. Half of them will wind

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Speaker 1: up being utter terrible nonsense right here, bad, This might

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Speaker 1: be bad. Hope season is over apparently the best player.

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Speaker 1: I haven't felt a lot of hope coming from Sessler's

809
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: desk about the Browns in the last week. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: show it to show it to me on an actual

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Speaker 1: football field, and you will start to you start to

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00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: see that enthusiasm. It is really weird, though, when you're

813
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: in position to get a guy like s Kuon Barkley

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Speaker 1: and then you you bring in Carlos Hide, even though

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Speaker 1: he's coming off a productive year and we saw his

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Speaker 1: role kind of change under Kyle Shanahan. But still it's

817
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 1: like him and Duke Johnson. Sure, that's that's that's okay.

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00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: But s Quon Barkley changes their entire offense completely. We'll

819
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Speaker 1: see how it plays out. The Browns, as we mentioned earlier,

820
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Speaker 1: also signed tackle Chris Hubbard five years, thirty seven and

821
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Speaker 1: a half million, eighteen million and guaranteed money. Also, Brown's

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Speaker 1: signed defensive end. Chris Smith, formerly of the Bengals three years,

823
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 1: fourteen million. Uh. Smith is a guy I'm not really

824
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Speaker 1: aware of his work, but I always kind of like

825
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: Chris that this last year I thought like, wow, that

826
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Speaker 1: guy Chris Smith. Good. How come you never hear anything

827
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Speaker 1: about Chris Smith? Here are his name? Do you go?

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Speaker 1: And there's like literally four billion of them. When I

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Speaker 1: and we were just seeing. Yeah. We were just saying,

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Speaker 1: this does not look like a fourteen million dollar man. No, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: no no. Last year was the first time he really

833
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: had a chance to like show his playing ability. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, when I was going upstairs, I made us

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Speaker 1: grilled cheeses and I turned around and I said, but

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Speaker 1: Moving on, the forty niners magnesium grilled. As Greg alluded

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Speaker 1: to Jack McKinnon, the fort nights sure like to hand

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Speaker 1: out money in this uh John lynch uh uh a

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Speaker 1: massive deal. Uh A thirty million dollar deal Jack McKinnon

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Speaker 1: over four years, seven a half million per year uh

845
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Speaker 1: fourteen career starts. He's now the fourth highest paid running

846
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Speaker 1: back in the NFL. I gotta hit it again. I

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Speaker 1: don't want to overdo this, but oh my god, come on,

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00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: McKinny to be one of those highest in the league. Er.

849
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he's the number two paid running back this

850
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: year he's making him that's the crazy number. He's making

851
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: almost twelve in two thousand and eighteen, and that's a lot.

852
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 1: And maybe the forty Niners and Browns are one of

853
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: those teams that were so far under the floor that

854
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: they feel like they just have to spend this cap space,

855
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: and that could explain some of these deals. Here's the

856
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 1: thing with McKinnon. I don't think we're gonna look back

857
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: on this and think it's a disaster because Jerick McKinnon,

858
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: who is very talented, in a Kyle Shanahan system with

859
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo, I think they'll put him in a position

860
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: to succeed and we'll think he's a good player. And

861
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,279
Speaker 1: so that's that's better then some of these other forty

862
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: Niners deals like Harry handing Gary Gilliam eight million dollars

863
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: or something like that. Gary Gilliam got eight. I don't know,

864
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: so I think McKinnon will end up being productive even

865
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: if they paid a lot of money, guaranteed money, how

866
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: it plays out over the years. But yes, the floor

867
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: or whatever is fine now, but what about next year

868
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: or the year after when they're up against the cap

869
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: and they gave this guy that's essentially unproven superstar money? Yeah, money,

870
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 1: That is part of the reason though they front loaded.

871
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: They put twelve this year and then they they're trying

872
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: to spend. But thirty million is more than DeMarco Murray,

873
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: who made three Pro Bowls and led the NFL and

874
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: rushing one year, will make in his entire career. It's

875
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,920
Speaker 1: all about timing, and the forty Niners has shown last

876
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: year with Kyle Uschik, they have no problem shattering the

877
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: market on these guys if it gives Kyle Shanahan a

878
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: chance at mismatches. And I think the key number eighty eight.

879
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: Carlos Hyde had eighty eight targets last year. Out of

880
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: the backfield, only four running backs have more targets, which

881
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: means McKinnon is gonna be plugged into that role. Shannahan

882
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: is gonna use him a lot in the past, right,

883
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 1: and he's he's ideal for that though. He's got he's

884
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: got a plan. Lewis Riddick had a good quote on

885
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: the ESPN coverage today that was passed around a lot,

886
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, you better have a plan for your

887
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: free agents and that's like the most important thing before

888
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: you signed them. And I have a I kind of

889
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: trust Kyle Shanahan for having a plan and making it work.

890
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: The Fotnight has also upgraded their offensive line by signing

891
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: former Giants center slash guard uh went Weston Richburg to

892
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: a deal. They have Daniel Kilgore at center. Um, so

893
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 1: I don't know who's gonna play what, but the middle

894
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: of their line line gets a little bit stronger. So

895
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 1: I bet he got I bet he's one of the

896
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: highest paid interior guys in the league. We just got

897
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: an extension too in February, so there's room for both

898
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: of them. Though. Yeah, he started fifteen games as a

899
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,120
Speaker 1: guard as a rookie with the Giants. Uh and well,

900
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,879
Speaker 1: Wilkerson finds a home. Um he signs with the Green

901
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: Bay Packers, who was the first team he actually met

902
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: with h visited a couple of places, including New Orleans,

903
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: where Moniche Meta said, don't do that with all your issues.

904
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 1: And then you can't get any alcohol anywhere else in

905
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: New Orleans. They don't sell any in Green Bay. And

906
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 1: then I like to realize how much people drink in

907
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: Green Bay. There's a lot of a three pm um.

908
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: And then I like mo Wilkerson's mom called into the

909
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 1: Boomer Size and Show on w f A N and

910
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: and basically said, miniche I might be lawyer enough, baby.

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: So a nice little subplot there. Anyway, forget about that,

912
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: because Wilkerson is now moving on fresh start and as

913
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 1: you can usually follow, uh, follow the coordinators with this,

914
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: Mike Petton now the d C for the Packers, Colleen

915
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: Sol Wilkerson, still just twenty eight, gets a fresh start hopefully. Uh.

916
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be rooting for him, but you can

917
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: resurrect his career after a truly dreadful slash, not to

918
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: go full Meta here, despicable last two years in New York.

919
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 1: Maybe you could reignite. I like that you're honest though

920
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: about this, that you're not going to stole from the Jets.

921
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: Let's let's not let's not put this guy and make

922
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,360
Speaker 1: him a sane You may get a call from miss

923
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: Wilkerson's I'm not saying he had a drinking problem. I'm

924
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: not saying anything like that. But he stole money from

925
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the Jets over the last two years, so buy or beware. Well, Patton,

926
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: he was there for the most first two years with

927
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: the Jets, and we know that the Packers, they when

928
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: I look at their defense, I feel like where they

929
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: really need help is cornerback and outside linebacker. But Mo Wolkerson,

930
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: I guess this is an upgrade for him. I like

931
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: that they actually made a free agent move on defense.

932
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 1: We've seen some stuff on the offense. Uh. And it's

933
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 1: just a one year deal, So one year proveod deal.

934
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: Packers fans don't have to complain anymore about you know.

935
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 1: We we sit up for you know, we're there. I

936
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: think it's a good signing, by the way, especially on

937
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 1: one year deal. If you're a Packers paying you have

938
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: to hope that the problem was that he was stealing

939
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 1: money from the Jets and he was not motivated, not

940
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,440
Speaker 1: that he just can't make plays anymore after breaking his

941
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: leg a couple of years ago. Yeah, we will find

942
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: odds and ends time Odds and ends, Odds and ends. Hey,

943
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,879
Speaker 1: everybody tell your friends odds and ends. Oh, I mean

944
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: it's kind of you didn't hit it though at the

945
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 1: end because I was like, it made me nervous. It

946
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: kind of gives me anxiety. I don't know when it's

947
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: going to end. Everybody close does the anxiety channel at all?

948
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 1: From the fact that every time you do this raw

949
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,719
Speaker 1: production on the fly, you're heavily critiqued by the room. Yes, okay,

950
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 1: I'm won all right, let's do it. Odds and ends.

951
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: The Vikings have a backup quarterback for Kirk Cousins, and

952
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 1: it is Trevor Simeon, traded by the Broncos. Who I

953
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,879
Speaker 1: guess Greg. They're gonna see if Paxton Lynch can still hunt.

954
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Lynch can hunt. And on the tsunami continues,

955
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: and I love this move for the Vikings cheap backup quarterback.

956
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 1: The Panthers are bringing back Julius Peppers, who's been around

957
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: forever eighteen years. I think, uh and uh. He's still productive, college,

958
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: still makes plays and he is a eight of sun. Yeah,

959
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: Levin sacks last year with him and Mario Addison. I

960
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: think the pass rush is good. They just need a

961
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: replacement for Charles Johnson hit it. I got that one.

962
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 1: The Ravens paid out huge money to both Ryan Grant

963
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: and John Brown, former of the Cardinals. Gregg, you're shaking

964
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,920
Speaker 1: your head, West. I love that John Brown signing. He's

965
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: a He's a great guy to take a chance on,

966
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: especially for Ravens who needed that speed in their offense.

967
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Grant surprises me. I mean, I get that he

968
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: has good hands, he might be a good route runner,

969
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: but what have you seen on film that said let's

970
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: go pay? That was one of the most surprising deals

971
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: in free agency. Newsom has struggled at that position and

972
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 1: he will one more time. I think the Eagles are

973
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: keeping Nigel Bradham around a five year, forty million dollar deal.

974
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: Howie Roseman filling himself Mark and he says, keep Nigel

975
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: in the house. Well, they've you know, they're they're adding players.

976
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: I feel like their defense is going to be one

977
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: of the more exciting teams to watch next year, and

978
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm glad they keep keep some of these guys around.

979
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: He called the shots when Jordan Hicks went down October.

980
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: He's a leader to the Lion released Eric ebra Mark.

981
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: It feels like just yesterday we were interviewing him at

982
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 1: the draft. Uh A. Lions fans West never let Ebron

983
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: forget that they took him at ten, with Odell Beckham

984
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and a couple other Pro bowlers right behind him in

985
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: that draft. Well said, I feel like he's been He's

986
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: been booed as much as any player from that draft class,

987
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 1: just because the Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald too. He's He's

988
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 1: gained two thousand yards, He's not even twenty five years old.

989
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: Not a not a bad guy to check out. They

990
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: lost Daniel Fells to they have nothing at tight end.

991
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: Keep an eye on the Jets there with you Brown,

992
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,279
Speaker 1: I can see that Patrick Robinson rejoining the States on

993
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 1: a four year deal. Greg Rosal, I like Patrick Robinson,

994
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,360
Speaker 1: but this is how you lose as a franchise. You

995
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:39,919
Speaker 1: buy high on a guy that you couldn't figure out

996
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: how to use five years ago. Also buying high on

997
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: Damario David Right exactly. They it's it's an annual tradition,

998
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: like a like a Marti Graph parade, to overpay whatever

999
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: mid level linebackers available. It never works for the Salt

1000
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 1: Sean Payton the night that I got stuck in that

1001
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: extra hotel at the Combine and very late at night,

1002
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: I told him your team is winning the Super Bowl

1003
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: next year. That buddy, he didn't. He didn't take it

1004
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: as clean information. It just all right, man, Thank you.

1005
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: Your GM talks are the best. The Mary Davis did

1006
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: lead the league in tackles and had five sacks last year.

1007
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: Great season, Kenny repeat it also guess what Tom Savage

1008
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: is back or still in the league. Good for him.

1009
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: He signs as a backup with the New Orleans Saints.

1010
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: Anybody got anything to say about Tommy? I don't care

1011
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. That's gotta be the biggest height imbalance between

1012
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: starting quarterback and backup quarterback. By the way, let's see

1013
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 1: if he makes Yeah, that's true, brock Oswiler, who cares.

1014
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 1: The Seahawks signed barkievious Mingo uh to a deal two years,

1015
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,880
Speaker 1: six point eight million dollars. Not a huge deal, Mark Sessler,

1016
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: But hey, bark is still getting paid for a guy

1017
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 1: that was for a draft bus Still hey, still thriving

1018
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: off of one of the worst for round draft classes

1019
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: of our entire lifetime. They also tendered Dion Jordan at

1020
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: the first round level, which shows you how much they

1021
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 1: love failed pass rushers college and the Dolphins officially cut

1022
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: in Dominicans Sue. So he's on the market. He's number three,

1023
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: I believe, or number one on your top one. He's

1024
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: number three, but he's the top guy who's not accounted for.

1025
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: Cowboys Seahawks reportedly interested. You like that. He's still productive,

1026
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 1: he's really durable. He only mist two games I think

1027
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: in his eight year career, no significant injuries. He just

1028
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: didn't live up to that massive contract that Miami c.

1029
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 1: James Slater, by the way, kind of reigned on that

1030
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: Cowboys interest. I said, it's not at the moment. My

1031
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 1: favorite report of the day was from one of the

1032
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: ESPN insiders who said Sue does not care about fit

1033
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: or where the team is. He just wants the most money.

1034
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: And he said exactly that last time he hit the market.

1035
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: He's not taking a dime less than most money. And

1036
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: Julius Thomas was cut to good work. Everybody's great, seg great, seg,

1037
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 1: good seg good, seg. All Right, what a couple of days.

1038
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, what else do you need to know? We

1039
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: have completely filled you in on everything that's happening in

1040
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: the NFL. Uh. We'll be back on Friday. I surmise

1041
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: maybe you'll do a little Winners and Losers of the

1042
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: first week of free agency. That's always fun. Do that

1043
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: do anything for you fresh idea, a little popping in

1044
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: the pants that was unnecessary, but light up your Christmas

1045
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 1: tree or Manora got winners and losers right here? I'm ready,

1046
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 1: you're ready West already. I'm not exciting, well not usually.

1047
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't have binders or anything. Well, I mean I

1048
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: went digital. So that's a big loss for the Behinder

1049
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: Cross Trees though Aprils going out of business. It's like

1050
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: one of our big wholesaler wholesale binder buyers is out.

1051
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: You've got to close this shop. Winner the Ecosystem Romney

1052
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 1: is the only one left. So you'll hear from us

1053
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 1: again on Friday. So thank you to everyone for listening.

1054
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: Uh stand hands signing off for Quiet Storm, the mailman, uh,

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Speaker 1: you laughing behind the glass? Tell Friday