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Speaker 3: Okay, Now I take a big breath because this person

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Speaker 3: has quite a bit to say about I have quite

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Speaker 3: a bit to say about them, and I kind of

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Speaker 3: have their breakdown here. So let me first introduce you

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Speaker 3: to retired Major General Mick Ryan, who is from Australia

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Speaker 3: and worked in the Australian Forces with our NATO allies.

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Speaker 3: And Mike, go ahead and say Hi.

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Speaker 4: Hi, how Red. It's quite to be with you.

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Speaker 2: Mike.

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Speaker 3: You're great. We were just talking pre show. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: be Angus from ac DC and I'll be Zzy Top

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Speaker 3: from over here and we're gonna have a show together. Okay,

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Speaker 3: we got this. I love this. So I want to

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Speaker 3: read a little bit about about you if I may, Mick,

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Speaker 3: are you cool with that?

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Speaker 2: Give me about one minute shield this.

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Speaker 4: Can I also be Phil Collins from Genesis?

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Speaker 2: Dude?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as long as I can be Sledgehammer, you know

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Speaker 3: those two Genesis come on. We gotta get it on,

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Speaker 3: all right, So let me talk about Mick. Mick Ryan

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Speaker 3: is a retired Major General in the Australian Army and

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Speaker 3: a distinguished graduate of John Hopkins University School of Advanced

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Speaker 3: International Studies, as well as the USMC Command and Staff

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Speaker 3: College and the United States Marine Corps School of Advanced Warfare.

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Speaker 3: Ryan is a passionate advocate of professional education and lifelong learning.

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Speaker 3: He has commanded at Platoon, Squadron, Regiment Task force and

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Speaker 3: brigade levels. Ryan has also led strategic planning organizations in

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Speaker 3: the Australian Army and led several reform programs in the

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Speaker 3: past decade. He is a fellow at the Center for

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Speaker 3: Strategic and International Studies at the Lowie Institute, and he

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Speaker 3: is the author of War Transformed, the Future of twenty

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Speaker 3: first Century Great Power, Petition and Corruption, which has been

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Speaker 3: out there since twenty twenty two. And also you have

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Speaker 3: another book called The War for Ukraine Strategy and Adaptation

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Speaker 3: under Fire. Look at that. There's the book. So those

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Speaker 3: It's yellow, red. What colors on that? Yeah, yellow and

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Speaker 3: red basically Russia and Ukraine. Okay, with a bit of red.

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Speaker 2: Well color, would Moldova be in there?

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Speaker 4: We're not talking about Moldova.

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Speaker 3: Now, welcome to the show. And you have such experience.

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Speaker 3: You've been in the global conflict. Since when when did

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Speaker 2: Can you tell me.

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Speaker 4: That joined in nineteen eighty seven, which doesn't feel like

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Speaker 4: it is. So I actually started as a big failure.

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Speaker 4: But I've got a second chance, and here I am right.

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Speaker 3: And so when you went back as the commander, did

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Speaker 4: I didn't need to, but I was very open about

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Speaker 4: But I also wanted to say to them that, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think more leaders need to talk about their own

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Speaker 4: like I said, second chances changed those who give them

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Speaker 3: Now, how old were you when you became a cadet?

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Speaker 2: Seventeen seventeen is the age.

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Speaker 4: I was young, a young immature boy from a small

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Speaker 4: I got my act together and got through officer training afterwards.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you went in and listed right because and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you go to the academy as a cadet. And

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Speaker 3: So I've had some folks on from inside of the

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Speaker 3: and so the young kids like, I got an idea,

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Speaker 3: let me hook this little device up to this drone.

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Speaker 3: All guys like, I'm just going to go ban at them.

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Speaker 3: He's like, wait, where, whoa whoa, whoa, wha, wha wha

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Speaker 3: watch why? Why why you can watch? So what's your

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think the Ukrainians have proven themselves

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Speaker 4: led to now having independent drone service. But I think

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Speaker 4: also think they have real purpose. They're fighting for a

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you about some insight that you may

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Speaker 3: anything about this, right. So, like, let's say the Russian

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Speaker 3: just getting like bits of information and go fate this way?

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Speaker 3: So could they almost like the farmer infantryman who's been conscripted,

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Speaker 2: Was to stop? You know what I'm saying?

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Speaker 4: No, I think they know enough to know what they're doing,

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Speaker 4: isn't right. I mean, it's why they're looting and all

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Speaker 4: this kind of thing. That's why they mistreat Ukrainian POWs

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Speaker 4: They know enough to know what they're doing isn't right,

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Speaker 4: regardless of what rank they are, but their senior officers

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Speaker 4: So you know, I don't have any sympathy for them,

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Speaker 4: and you know we shouldn't be giving them a break.

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Speaker 4: It should be helping, you, cryme destroy as much of

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Speaker 3: You know, I agree with your sentiment on that, and

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Speaker 3: thank you for your insight. I would say that here

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Speaker 3: you know, let alone Crimea when they came over and

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Speaker 3: And I say, we have to support you know, those

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you're seeing it. In the last forty

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the Ukrainians are showing as two things.

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Speaker 4: One that we shouldn't take for granted the systems that

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Speaker 4: our people, which is very important, we shouldn't take them

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Speaker 4: for granted. And secondly, you know, in not taking them

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Speaker 4: for granted, that has a cost. It as a financial cost,

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Speaker 4: but it has a cost in human sacrifice. Unfortunately it's

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Speaker 4: the Ukrainians doing it at the moment, but it might

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Speaker 4: be more of us if we don't support the Ukrainians

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Speaker 2: Right, and they have the grit to do it, They're

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Speaker 4: They have incredible grit.

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Speaker 2: That's for sure, well, as they should.

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Speaker 3: Now you come from a referral from a friend Mark

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. I'm a strategic advisor there along with

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Speaker 4: Was projected by R two D two, not coming through it.

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Speaker 4: in the Pentagon. You know, it had a profound impact

438
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,959
Speaker 4: on a lot of us because it changed the course

439
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,160
Speaker 4: of not just history, but the course of our own careers.

440
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 4: And you know, it's something that I think stands out

441
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:31,000
Speaker 4: as one of those points in the early twenty first century.

442
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 3: What rank were you do you think two thousand and

443
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 3: one I was a major, major call, Like, hey, major,

444
00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 3: we're going to need your team. You guys are going

445
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 3: to have to come.

446
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: No.

447
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,800
Speaker 4: I did check with home and they said, no, no,

448
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: you can stay there. We'll need you when you get back.

449
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 4: But you know, I then stayed on for that second

450
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 4: year course. Many of the guys on that course they

451
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,919
Speaker 4: did deploy for a couple of months to Iraq, but

452
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,920
Speaker 4: then came back and shared their lessons. But not long

453
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 4: after I got home to a Australia, I was sent

454
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: to Iraq and then the next year I was sent

455
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 4: to Afghanistan. So I certainly got to use what the

456
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: Marines taught me and still use it to this day

457
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 4: because what they teach is critical thinking and communication, which

458
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 4: is enormously valuable in the military, but in lots of

459
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:18,880
Speaker 4: other endeavors as well.

460
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 3: I take you to the moment when you landed in

461
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 3: Iraq for your first time, and you're still a young

462
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 3: man and a major, you know, probably in your thirties

463
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 3: or so. And was it stepping off the plane? Was

464
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: that breath taking?

465
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: Was it heat? What was your thoughts when you got

466
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: off that.

467
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 4: It was breathtaking because it was so damn hot. It's

468
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,560
Speaker 4: really hot, and you know, you're covered in body armor

469
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 4: and all that kind of thing. So yeah, is a

470
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 4: little bit of a shock to the system. It's just

471
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,600
Speaker 4: so hot in Iraq in summer. I mean it's hot

472
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,159
Speaker 4: and very very dry. But you know, I felt I

473
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 4: was very well prepared by my own training. You know,

474
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 4: I had just amazing people I got to work with

475
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 4: in Iraq. Some of you know, the fellow officers I

476
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 4: work with and senior noncommissioned officers were just extraordinarily courageous

477
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 4: and professional. And we spent a lot of time on

478
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 4: the roads around Baghdad, going up to different places where

479
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 4: we were training Iraqis, and you know, I got to

480
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 4: spend a lot of time with young US soldiers, young marines.

481
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 4: Under me. I had a company of convoy escort guys

482
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 4: called the rough Riders, And there was even a couple

483
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 4: of Navy guys who said, I got sick of looking

484
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: at screens and doing nothing, so he volunteered to be

485
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 4: a gunner on convoy escorts in the middle of Baghdad

486
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 4: at the worst of the war. I mean, just amazing

487
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 4: commitment and encouraged by these young people.

488
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Speaker 2: You know.

489
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 4: It's why I kind of raise my eyebrows when people

490
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 4: talk about the current generation not being up to the

491
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 4: kind of sacrifices a previous generations. It's rubbish. We're seeing

492
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 4: it in Ukraine and we'd see it from our young

493
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,240
Speaker 4: people again. They just need good leadership and purpose and

494
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: they stand up like every other generation agreed.

495
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:04,960
Speaker 2: I want.

496
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 3: I have friends who are like in their twenties, who

497
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 3: are in the Navy or in the army, and for

498
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 3: people to say that our military is not ready, I

499
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 3: look at him or her and I'm like, they seem

500
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 3: pretty ready. Okay, they seem like they're ready, and when

501
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,439
Speaker 3: they talk to me, they're like, we're ready. I'm like,

502
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 3: I feel good about that. You know, maybe someone from

503
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:23,639
Speaker 3: the ground up telling you, like, we're ready. So I

504
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 3: have confidence because you know, like you said, you were

505
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,920
Speaker 3: seventeen when you went in right, I was twenty one,

506
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: So like, these young people are ready to go and

507
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,479
Speaker 3: defend right versus evil.

508
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: Yep.

509
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 4: It's not the young people in the brigades or squadrons

510
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 4: or naval task forces or the Marine news that ever

511
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 4: let us down. They never do. It's people more senior

512
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 4: who either give them the wrong missions, or don't do

513
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,159
Speaker 4: modernization fast enough or send them to the wrong places

514
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: that make the biggest mistakes. But you know, I still

515
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 4: to work a lot with young soldiers in Australia and

516
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 4: they're just enormously impressive, very technologically literate. I spend a

517
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 4: lot of time talking about lessons from Ukraine and they

518
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: don't wait to get direction, they just change. And some

519
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 4: of the things they're doing around signature management and communications

520
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,639
Speaker 4: and drones and stuff is just really breathtaking compared to

521
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 4: the Army that I joined all those years ago.

522
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 3: Right right, there's no more crank in the generator on

523
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 3: the radio, you know what I'm saying.

524
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 4: Now it's well, certainly not riding bikes to keep them going,

525
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 4: but you know, just a different organization. The same with

526
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: the US Army and Marines. I mean we changed, We

527
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 4: do change quickly, We do adapt more than people probably understand.

528
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: And now junior people do have a lot of agency,

529
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 4: particularly in units. It's when you get to capital cities

530
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 4: where people mainly occupy cubicles, that innovation and adaptation sometimes

531
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: slows down.

532
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 3: And a lot of us may forget that the marine

533
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: or is just like a percent of the military here

534
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 3: that goes into fate, but that percent of a percent

535
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 3: is so lethal and so surgical at their job. They

536
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 3: are like the blade sharpened blade of the bled.

537
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

538
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 4: I mean, the Marines are an amazing organization. You know,

539
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 4: they have a great history. Now I'm lucky, you know,

540
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: I serve with the US Army in Iraq and I

541
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 4: spent years with the Marines in Quantico, and I love

542
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 4: them both. Sometimes I wish they'd love each other that

543
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 4: much as well. They do have a bit of tension there,

544
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 4: but they're different organization with different roles and missions, and

545
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,679
Speaker 4: even with that institutional tension, they still know they're on

546
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 4: the same side very clearly. And we see that in

547
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: the Pacific with the Marines and US Army. We both

548
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 4: work with them a lot, and you know, they're different,

549
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 4: but they're both extraordinarily professional, capable and lethal organizations. And

550
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 4: I got to tell you, I'm really glad we're on

551
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 4: the same side because I wouldn't want to come up

552
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 4: against them.

553
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: No.

554
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: No, my friend's dad, he was in Fallujah, and you know,

555
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: during Ramadi and Fallujah, during all of that, he was

556
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: a gunner in the Marine Corps. You just would not

557
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: want to come up. But today he's totally the nicest guy.

558
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,120
Speaker 3: He's like, Hey, how you doing, rad I'm like, what's

559
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 3: going on? Sir, how you doing huh? But deep down

560
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,160
Speaker 3: in my mind I know what was going on over there.

561
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: I lived watching it on TV. Everybody had an embedded

562
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 3: photographer from every single news outlet, whether you're GQ, Esquire, NBC,

563
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 3: somebody was like capturing it. So here we are, this

564
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: generation just being funneled straight up, door kicking and flash

565
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 3: bang's going off.

566
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 4: It's good. It's the training, right, I mean, the training's

567
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 4: very very good in modern military institutions. That's why we

568
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 4: exchange instructors a lot, just to learn the best in training,

569
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 4: whether it's dismanted, combat manded, combat reconnaissance, intelligence, logistics, all

570
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 4: these things. But it's training, it's discipline, and it's good leadership.

571
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 4: Those things pay off in battle. And you know, you

572
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 4: saw it with the Marines in Fallujah. You saw the

573
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 4: kind of discipline that they exercised, and you know, it's

574
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,360
Speaker 4: hard to do, but that's what good professional forces are capable.

575
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: Of, correct. I mean, they do try. They did try

576
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: to avoid any type of religious mosque, you know, like

577
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: under orders, but others don't necessarily play by those same standards.

578
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 3: You know, there's other conflicts going on right now in

579
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: the world where you know it's just decimating the whole

580
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,199
Speaker 3: landscape of a certain you know, like in Gaza right now,

581
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 3: everything's just kind of leveled, like no, nothing safe.

582
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: It's just like just.

583
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get to ask this question every now and then,

584
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 4: you know, you sometimes we'll say, well, why do we

585
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 4: fight with the tied behind our back? I said, because

586
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 4: that because we're the good guys. I mean I mean

587
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 4: that in a non gender specific way, but that means something.

588
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: You know, to live the values of the society you're

589
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: representing that you're serving means something to us. You know,

590
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: we're the only ones allowed to lawfully go out and

591
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 4: kill people, so you should do it responsibly and in

592
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 4: accordance with the law, but also ethically. And you know

593
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: that's why Zelenski recently said, you know, in the Kursk operation,

594
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 4: we have to fight by the rules. That's really important,

595
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 4: not just for the legitimacy of Ukraine and to ensure

596
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 4: support from the West continues, but it's also about protecting

597
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 4: the souls of our soldiers. You know, our soldiers matter,

598
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 4: and we need to protect them so that they don't suffer,

599
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 4: because what we're asking them to do on behalf of

600
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: our country, it's bad enough when you're doing stuff lawfully

601
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: and ethically. But we can't allow bad things to happen.

602
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: For all these reasons, but most important, we need to

603
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 4: protect the souls of our soldiers.

604
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed.

605
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: They have to know that what they're doing is on

606
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 3: the right side of things internally, so they can just

607
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 3: say this is why I'm doing this, you know, or

608
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 3: or it's just we've just sunk so low to Lord

609
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 3: of the flies.

610
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 4: That's just I mean, that's not what professional militaries do.

611
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,719
Speaker 4: That's that's what marauding beans of thugs do, that's what

612
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 4: the Russians do. That's not what we do. And you

613
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: know that doesn't mean that everyone's perfect, and there are aberrations.

614
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 4: There has been in the US military certainly has been

615
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 4: in mind throughout our history, even in Afghanistan. But you know,

616
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 4: we're pretty good at picking these things up generally and

617
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: pretty good at punishing those people who do it generally,

618
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 4: although there's also been exceptions to that because for the

619
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: vast majority of their people, they don't accept that kind

620
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 4: of behavior. They know what right looks like, and they

621
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: don't accept that kind of undisciplined conduct where people go

622
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: out and deliberately murder noncombatants, which is one of the

623
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 4: worst things you can do.

624
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: You are very well spoken.

625
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 3: I just want to let you know that, so thank

626
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: you for putting it in eloquent terms of you know,

627
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: do what's right, but you still got to do what

628
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 3: you got to do, but you know doing it for

629
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 3: the right reasons. I remember my dad. So my dad

630
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 3: was a former Green Beret, and sometimes we would go

631
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: to well, I would always go to church. Sometimes he

632
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 3: would shot because drill or whatever weekend, but when he

633
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: can make it, he would show up in his whole

634
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 3: uniform and I'd just be like, Yeah, that's cool. I

635
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: was like, Dad, how can you get to wear your

636
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: uniform to church? And I have to wear the suit

637
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: and tie. How come I can't wear my camouflage. He's like,

638
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 3: because what God, God knows what I do is right.

639
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 4: I must have met when I did come home a

640
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 4: couple of times from work, and my daughter might have

641
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: had a had some of a friends in, including a

642
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: couple of boys around them that it did kind of

643
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 4: pull them into line. There might have been one who

644
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 4: departed as soon as I arrived home one day and

645
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: never come back. I mean I didn't say anything. I

646
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 4: just walked in. But you know, having that uniform does

647
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 4: have its uses with your kids every now.

648
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: I love it. I love it.

649
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: So there's something about, you know, what he's doing is right.

650
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 3: Is what I'm out there too, you know, And you

651
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: show it up to.

652
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: Your home in your gear. Is the right thing to do, that, dude,

653
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: splitting is the right thing to do. And your daughter

654
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: listening to this, what's up?

655
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 4: She's a good kid.

656
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 2: I'm sure.

657
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm sure, general, I'm sure one hundred percent, you know.

658
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 3: And that's the thing is you get to have time

659
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: now where you can, you know, kind of recapture a

660
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 3: lot of that that you probably.

661
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 2: Were so busy doing.

662
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: Saturday's miss Baptism's, missed, whatever functions, football games, missed, all

663
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 3: these different things that you were so dedicated to our

664
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: NATO alliance.

665
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you do miss a lot of stuff.

666
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: When you serve your country, you do have to make sacrifice.

667
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: Your family makes a huge, huge number of sacrifice. I

668
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: mean the serving member does, but the families make huge

669
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: sacrifices as well, and you miss things and you miss

670
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 4: parts of people's lives. I'm lucky now my daughters are

671
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 4: both pretty close. One of them has moved back in

672
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 4: with them recently. Sure, so I'm getting to spend really

673
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 4: good quality time with you know, these two girls who've

674
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 4: grown into really impressive young women, and hopefully make up

675
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 4: for some of those years where I was away, all

676
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 4: those long operational deployments. But you know, you never get

677
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: that time back, but hopefully you can make up for

678
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 4: the this time.

679
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: And he still seemed fairly young. I mean, have you

680
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: hit tifty.

681
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hit fifty five years ago. So yep, I'm

682
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 4: older than I'm older than I look I look.

683
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 2: But you know.

684
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: The Disney Channel, I'm not wrong with Disney Channel. That's

685
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: where all the Star Wars is.

686
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

687
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 3: And you know a fun fact, I was on Disney Channel.

688
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 3: I play in a show called The Luck of the

689
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 3: Irish where we go around and steal the kids gold

690
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,560
Speaker 3: coin and we do all the basketball scenes anyways, filmed

691
00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 3: here in Utah. Luck of the Irish. Go check it out,

692
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 3: Go download that google it.

693
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: Oh, check it out. With a name like Nick Ryan,

694
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 4: anything Irish is good.

695
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, my name was Sean in the in the

696
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: show because I'm an Irish evil leper Kahn. So when

697
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: the kids playing basketball at the junior high school. He

698
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: looks at the referee and then he looks at us,

699
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 3: and he's like, are you gonna let these guys really

700
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 3: play against me? And he sees us with the beard

701
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: and everything, and the referee looks at us and sees

702
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: little kids because and so when the guy looks back

703
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 3: at us, it's just oh, he's just swarmed. It's it's

704
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 3: actually comical, love loving and uh and very lighthearted. It's

705
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: a good time to watch. Yeah, the Luck of the

706
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 3: Irish Boyle. That's right, I'm gonna plug myself. What's the point?

707
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 4: Why not right a podcast? Why wouldn't you do that?

708
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 2: Right? You know?

709
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 3: I mean I love talking with you, and I also

710
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 3: want to know as a strategic advisor for the company's

711
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 3: Skydio mark uh, you know, he brought a lot of

712
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 3: expertise with his pilot skills and you bring a lot

713
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: with you know, it sounds like planning and leadership. What

714
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 3: advice can skidio give our military right now? Is there

715
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: something are you guys tied in with that? Are you

716
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 3: strategically working with DoD and.

717
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: Well, I mean Scottio has a lot of interesting products

718
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: that you know, not just the military, but for other

719
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: national security applications. But you know, I think companies like

720
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: Skydio don't just provide a product, they provide a service,

721
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 4: which is about you know, quickly learning and evolving drone capabilities.

722
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: Because what we've seen in Ukraine is if you've got

723
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: a good drone drone today, your enemy will find ways

724
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 4: to interfere with it, so you've got to constantly adapt it.

725
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: So I think, you know, companies like Skydio, now you know,

726
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 4: aren't just about developing and selling drones. They're about how

727
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 4: do you constantly improve them with either upgraded versions of

728
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,359
Speaker 4: the one the military has or new versions to make

729
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: sure they're survivable and capable and lethal and the enemy

730
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:41,600
Speaker 4: can't interfere with them.

731
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: Oh I remember just seeing somebody put a flamethrower on it,

732
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: and now, like on YouTube.

733
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 4: It's what they use drones for, not just aerial but

734
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 4: ground ones is unbelievable. Now attacking other drones, recharging other drones,

735
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: recovering enemy drones, laying mind.

736
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: Rock climbers that are at the top of mountain that

737
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 3: are working things, they have drones bringing gear up to

738
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: them to drop to them. Now you don't have to

739
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 3: have a full on heilo helicopter. You have a drone

740
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: pilot down at the base of the mountain taking supplies

741
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: up to I mean, just those things tactical.

742
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 2: Really tactical.

743
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 4: Yep, you know absolutely, I mean I just and you know,

744
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 4: I know in Australia, mining industries used uncrewed vehicles for

745
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 4: a long time. You know, the big trucks that have

746
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 4: no drivers. I mean you stayhead of the way because

747
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: these things are dozens of tons heavy. But it's just

748
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 4: so many applications for uncrewed you know, not just aerial vehicles,

749
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 4: which are really important, but also ground and maritime systems,

750
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 4: which we've also seen the Ukrainians deploy and develop and

751
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 4: continue to adapt throughout this war. So you know, we've

752
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 4: seen this Cambrian explosion in the use of drones in

753
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 4: the last few years, and I can't see that slowing

754
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 4: down anytime soon. In fact, it might even accelerate over

755
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: the next couple of years.

756
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: You know, it was crazy as I went to this

757
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 3: place in last Vegas earlier this year. There's a big

758
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: convention called shot Show. It's like, you know, a really

759
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 3: large gun show, gathering of manufacturers and optic people. You know,

760
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 3: glasses are there, everything we got to go to the

761
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:13,959
Speaker 3: Sphere in Las Vegas.

762
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm not sure I familiar with it. It's a not

763
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: what it is.

764
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 4: I'd love to guard.

765
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I went and saw Postcards from the Earth. Really,

766
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 3: if you get to see it, you know, or the Eagles,

767
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: they're going to be there, but that's the thousand dollars

768
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 3: a ticket. But Postcards from the Earth was really cool.

769
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 3: But what I noticed is when I walked in the

770
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 3: Android that's inside the theater. You start to get engaged

771
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 3: when you go in this place, and you know that

772
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 3: I just felt not just facial recognition was all over me,

773
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: but I was being slimed by like just every possible thing,

774
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 3: Like just I felt like it was seeing through me,

775
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: or it could just see everything that I was wearing

776
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 3: or my socks. They have a lot of technology inside

777
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 3: this place. And when you go and talk to the

778
00:37:55,480 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 3: AI bots. Okay, these android bots, these drone bots have

779
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: the face of a human and then the side of

780
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 3: all mechanics and so as you're looking around them, there's

781
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 3: like one hundred people around them asking questions and they

782
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: point at you and then they ask you back the question.

783
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 3: You're like, so what they're doing is are just it's

784
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: just crazy. And those are the drones, the people drones.

785
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: You're talking, boats, you're talking. But what happens if there's

786
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 3: a people drone all of a sudden, now a people drone?

787
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 4: Wait, well, I mean, I think John Connor, there's certain

788
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: billionaires who've promised to build these things. Now, whether humans

789
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 4: will be comfortable with robots that look like them and

790
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 4: talk like mac like them, well yet to be seen.

791
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 4: But there's certainly a lot of it in science fiction,

792
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 4: and I have no doubt that we're going to see

793
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 4: these things. Personally, I'd love one that could mow the

794
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,840
Speaker 4: lawn and clean the house and do the washing and

795
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 4: the dishes. If you can provide me with one of those, actually,

796
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 4: i'd probably be pretty impressed.

797
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 2: They just moved in.

798
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 4: I'm not going to give them a bedroom, but I'll

799
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 4: certainly give them all the chores that they can handle.

800
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 4: Twenty four to seven. They don't happen to be right.

801
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Talk about multiplicity, you know, where there's multiples of you,

802
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, that could be problematic too, but

803
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 3: it just really is just interesting to see. Like you said,

804
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 3: there's just no stopping the situation and the technology, you know,

805
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,919
Speaker 3: even the Internet itself is just about thirty years old.

806
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: Maybe you know, at twenty eight, thirty years old, what

807
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 3: happens to a twenty eight year old? What are they

808
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: doing in life when they're just still learning what they

809
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 3: want to be? It's like, what do you want to be? Well,

810
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:31,280
Speaker 3: I'm still delivery driver for like you know uber, I'm journey.

811
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: People go on at different speeds, right, yeah, exactly. Some

812
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 4: decide early, some decide late, some decide multiple times through

813
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 4: their life. And you know, that's the great thing about

814
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: living in our societies is that our society is allowed

815
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: to do us to do that and choose our own

816
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: pathways and you know, multiple pathways if that's what we wish.

817
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 2: Dude, you got.

818
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 3: Twenty five years so you can run for a president.

819
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Still like here in America, it's like, oh, you're seventy eight,

820
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: or you're eighty one, or you're like seventy two. You

821
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 3: want to put in twenty You got twenty on you.

822
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 4: That door was closed to me, unfortunately. But there are

823
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 4: over three hundred million Americans, and I'm sure there's lots

824
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 4: of talented Americans there that could do a very good job.

825
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,439
Speaker 2: There are we do we have them? There?

826
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: Are, it will be done. We'll continue to fly our

827
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: plane somehow, some way. Like I say to people, you

828
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 3: don't meet the pilot when you get on the plane,

829
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 3: not ninety percent of the time. You don't know nothing

830
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: about him, the navigator, but yet you buckle trust exactly

831
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 3: that he's going to land.

832
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: Even take off.

833
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 3: Okay, close the door too, all right, just know where

834
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 3: the switches are, so please just have a guy in

835
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 3: there that knows where the switches are so you can

836
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: like at least look good for the photo.

837
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: I just want to say, just land US.

838
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 3: Okay, with every country, okay, whatever the case is, because

839
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 3: right now in Germany things are changing over there. They

840
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: had a whole new election and I'm interested to see

841
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 3: how that's going to play on Europe.

842
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. I mean just the over the last

843
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: weekend was very interesting, just as that was happening in

844
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 4: Old East Germany. So, I mean, it's interesting to talk

845
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,839
Speaker 4: to German people here about you know, the differences, the

846
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 4: political differences between the previous West Germany and East Germany.

847
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 4: And there are some differences there, but you know, remember

848
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 4: on the other side of that eastern part of Germany,

849
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 4: Wh've got Poland, who is one of the most staunch

850
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 4: supporters of Ukraine and the US and NATO security posture

851
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 4: in Europe. So yeah, it's interesting that wedge between West

852
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: Germany and Old West Germany and Poland. You have this

853
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 4: group of people who think the far right and almost

854
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 4: pseudo fascists what they want for government.

855
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,720
Speaker 3: And let's just talk about how not long ago, trying

856
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: to cross into East Germany or out of it was

857
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 3: getting shot in the trenches. Right, So my father in

858
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: law still alive, served a mission for his church over

859
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:55,439
Speaker 3: there in Germany and they snuck across into East Germany. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

860
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 3: this is then this is like probably in the sea.

861
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: He went to Vietnam after his So we're talking the sixties.

862
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

863
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it was like, I know, there has to

864
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 2: be a girl. It has to be for girls. Okay.

865
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 3: The only reason why you're going to sneak into East

866
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 3: Germany to meet somebody, I guess to preach your gospel.

867
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 3: But then he had to sneak back and he talked

868
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: about doing that like it's no big thing. I'm just

869
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 3: like Elliott bro I'm glad you.

870
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Speaker 4: I'm going to Berlin on Friday for the first time.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually looking forward to, you know, seeing where the

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Speaker 4: war was and Brandenburg Gate and the Reichstag and all

873
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Speaker 4: these places. You know, there's a lot of history there

874
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Speaker 4: that I'm really really fascinated in and very keen to investigate.

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Speaker 4: While i'm there. I'll do a few other things with

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Speaker 4: the think Tank and stuff. But you know, it's my

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Speaker 4: first time in Germany, and I've really enjoyed and fascinated

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Speaker 4: by what I've seen and what I will see.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't forget, one of the greatest bands in

880
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 3: the world comes from Germany, and that's Ramstein. I just

881
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Speaker 3: have to throw that out, Okay, if you're into Star

882
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Speaker 3: Wars bro.

883
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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 4: I like Hans Zimmer as a composer, so he's amazing.

885
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Speaker 4: Anything anything he does is great. Especially my bucket list

886
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Speaker 4: is go see a Hans Zimmer concert live.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that'd be great. So we actually listened to Hans

888
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Speaker 3: Zimmer in our background at my shop here, so I

889
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 3: run Airsoft war games and in the background we run

890
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Speaker 3: Halo songs or friends that have, you know, and Hans

891
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: Zimmer always pops up on my playlist and he's always.

892
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Speaker 4: He's amazing, He's in, he's everywhere, and everything. But yeah, hey,

893
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 4: they canceled Halo as well on Paramount, which is a

894
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: bit of a bummer. I actually really enjoyed it. I

895
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 4: thought it was pretty good.

896
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

897
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 3: No, right, it's like, just keep it going, you know,

898
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Speaker 3: just keep it going. You got budgets to make Sharknado,

899
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 3: you can keep making a Halo, Okay.

900
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 4: I mean I thought the Master Chief was pretty good. Yes,

901
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: he was pretty pretty stoic, although you saw his face

902
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 4: in the show, which you don't always.

903
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Speaker 2: In the game.

904
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Speaker 4: But I thought I really enjoyed it. I thought it

905
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 4: was pretty good sci fi. But there's some other good

906
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 4: so far rand at the moment.

907
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I think you're awesome. You're you're awesome, okay.

908
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 3: And I know you're a major general and it's major

909
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 3: general dude, sir, Okay, I just want you to know that.

910
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, bro, you're cool.

911
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: Man. Now listen, I've had you for about fifty five

912
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Speaker 3: minutes of your time. I know you've taken time in

913
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Speaker 3: Germany to set aside to talk to me.

914
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Speaker 4: I want to thank you, absolutely pleasure.

915
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 3: I just want to thank you. I hope it wasn't

916
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 3: what you were expecting, okay, And I just want that's forever.

917
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 3: I got that caught right there, way better. Dude, You're awesome,

918
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Speaker 3: and I hope you stay awesome and just keep being

919
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: a dad of daughters and remembering that that's what you

920
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: have to steward. And they're looking up to you as

921
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: much as all the men that you've trained have looked

922
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: up to you, as much as I am looking up

923
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: to you. I get to meet people like you and

924
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 3: learned from you in these moments, this hour of conversation

925
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Speaker 3: where most people barely get five minutes of your time.

926
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Speaker 3: So thank you so much for sharing your time.

927
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Speaker 4: With that right on to talk with you and make

928
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Speaker 4: you I've really enjoyed our conversation.

929
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Speaker 3: Well hopefully we'll shake hands in a personal fashion at

930
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Speaker 3: some point in our lives. I want to shout out

931
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Speaker 3: to Kelly, who arranges us to you know, link up

932
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Speaker 3: and talk.

933
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Speaker 2: She does a great job.

934
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Speaker 3: And Zoolander, you know who you are, and we're just

935
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,399
Speaker 3: going to make that stick, bro, so you know, just I.

936
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Speaker 2: Hope you're smiling.

937
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 3: And to my listener and my viewer, you know, this

938
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Speaker 3: is a wonderful opportunity for me and I'm never going

939
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Speaker 3: to take it for granted, nor am I going to

940
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: take you, the listener and the viewer for granted. So

941
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time, thank you for

942
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: your comments and reaching out to me through the Instagrams

943
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Speaker 3: and all those different avenues. And on behalf of Major

944
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Speaker 3: General Mick Ryan and real Quick. Let me plug his

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Speaker 3: book The Warfare Ukraine Strategy and Adaptation under Fire. Okay,

946
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Speaker 3: I want you to go check it out. And if

947
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Speaker 3: you want to link up for the Skidio Ascend twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four event.

949
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Speaker 4: It's going to be a great event.

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Speaker 3: You heard it from him. It's skydio dot com forward

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Speaker 3: slash Ascend and I think we'll have it hyperlinked so

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Speaker 3: that people can click on it when they're looking at

953
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Speaker 3: the at the podcast. If you have any last bits

954
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 3: of words, I'll let you have them.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise, well, I was always told, you know, if you

956
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 4: ever give a tip, the best tip is be good

957
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 4: to your mother. So I'll leave you with that. But

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Speaker 4: it's it's been great to be great to talk with you,

959
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Speaker 4: and I do hope we get to shake hands and

960
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Speaker 4: maybe share a beer at some point.

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Speaker 2: That would be a lovely, lovely time. Okay.

962
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Speaker 3: And so with that on behalf of Mick Ryan and

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Speaker 3: myself Rad and Brandon Webb who runs the site, and Anton,

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Speaker 3: my producer. Go check out the loadoutroom dot com. I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna be taking over all the articles and just placing everything.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna bob ross the crap out of the loadoutroom

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Speaker 3: dot com, but go support me. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: load out Room.

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