WEBVTT - I Am All In…Again: Did Nicole Deserve a Better Send Off? (Season 4 E16 “The Reigning Lorelai”)

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<v Speaker 1>I am all in again?

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<v Speaker 2>How I.

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<v Speaker 3>Am all in town? Meeting with Suzanne French and Tara

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<v Speaker 3>sud An. iHeartRadio Podcast. Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am

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<v Speaker 3>all in Podcast? What eleven Productions? Iheartradiomedia, iHeart Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a recap episodes, Season four, episode sixteen, The

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<v Speaker 1>Reigning laurle I Special guest Guess who Tricia o' kelly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's me.

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<v Speaker 3>How you doing, Tricia?

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<v Speaker 4>I am good?

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<v Speaker 3>How are you good? Good? Good? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>Best known for her recurring role as Marley Erhart on

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<v Speaker 1>the CBS sitcom The New Adventures of Old Christine. She

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<v Speaker 1>portrayed Nicole Lahey for eight Gilmore Girls episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it eight? It was eight? Okay?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Eight?

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<v Speaker 1>And you can see a recently on Station nineteen high potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show. We had you on in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait was it that long ago? For some reason, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was last year.

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<v Speaker 3>It was three years.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're doing it all over again.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is I am all in again.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, Well, thank you for having me back again.

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<v Speaker 1>The Reigning laurel I Episode sixteen, Season four, Air date

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<v Speaker 1>March twenty twenty four. Synopsis. Richard's mother Tricks passes away,

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<v Speaker 1>and Emily finds a scathing letter Tricks wrote to Richard

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<v Speaker 1>the night before her and Richard's wedding that sends her

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<v Speaker 1>over the edge. Marita Grabiac directed, written by Jane Espenson.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Trash, let's get into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I just jump in right now and say, Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop is a goddess?

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<v Speaker 1>Go and Tricks is inconsolable with a scotch in his study,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's and he's asking for a mock turtleneck suit.

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<v Speaker 3>Suki knows how to make that.

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<v Speaker 1>Emily starts making arrangements right away as Laurela I brings

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<v Speaker 1>the soup in the study and she starts crying and

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<v Speaker 1>is losing it because he regrets his.

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<v Speaker 3>Last words to her. He says that that's.

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<v Speaker 1>The way it ended. It was an argument. The hateful

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<v Speaker 1>words end quote. Laurea lies with Emily going through Brand's papers.

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<v Speaker 1>She learns that Tricks was.

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<v Speaker 3>Already ready at Gilmore.

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<v Speaker 1>They were second cousins, and she wants an open casket

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<v Speaker 1>then to be cremated and split into two. Emily and

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<v Speaker 1>Richard will have one urn and the other Ashes will

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<v Speaker 1>be buried with her husband. Emily finds the letter Tricks

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<v Speaker 1>wrote to Richard the night before his wedding to Emily,

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<v Speaker 1>begging him not to marry her and reconsider penal and

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<v Speaker 1>lot uh oh a lot again here we go. She

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<v Speaker 1>gets extremely upset and stops planning the wedding immediately. Suki

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<v Speaker 1>and Laura I go to Emily's and she's drinking and

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<v Speaker 1>smoking cigarettes and in her robe, not giving a care. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Jason comes over to get some signatures from Richard and

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<v Speaker 1>he hugs him very awkwardly. Today, the funeral, Emily is

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<v Speaker 1>still drunk and Richard is still moping around. Rory helps

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<v Speaker 1>him get ready because Laurel I realize should give underwear

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<v Speaker 1>to the funeral home, so she goes to Victoria's Secret

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<v Speaker 1>to get one and has a meltdown. We meet Marilyn Gilmore,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the same actress as Tricks Gilmore, Marion Ross,

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<v Speaker 1>and she asks about the bar glasses and tells stories

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<v Speaker 1>about Tricks. What a you know, Trish, What a fun

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<v Speaker 1>role that must have been to play talk about to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about your dead character in that way?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Delicious, I mean, and she is just I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>what an icon. Marion Ross is, right. I got to

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<v Speaker 2>work with her on Christine. I don't remember whose mom

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<v Speaker 2>she played on that show, but she's just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we grew up with her, right, and yeah, just amazing

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<v Speaker 2>this at this whole episode was just so fun to rewatch,

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<v Speaker 2>so good and every time I see this show, I

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<v Speaker 2>am just Kelly Bishop is just one of the greatest,

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<v Speaker 2>and this episode in particular, I thought she was just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Amy worthy, so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she's back to normal, Emily is. She still seems upset,

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<v Speaker 1>but then Richard tells her he doesn't want the ashes

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<v Speaker 1>to be on the mantle. As you've stated, these performances

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<v Speaker 1>Tricia by Ed and Kelly were outstanding in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>with the range of emotions they.

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<v Speaker 3>Had to portay. Well, you know, but let's talk about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, a lot of what the fans loved seeing is

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<v Speaker 1>a day drunk Emily.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you did you like seeing her let loose a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit? Or was it?

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<v Speaker 2>I loved it? Yeah, I loved it. And when they

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<v Speaker 2>showed her with a cigarette without you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I d A, I d g A. What is it?

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<v Speaker 3>I can't swear right and you can swear all you.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, just with a cigarette with an I don't give.

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<v Speaker 3>A let's all swear and she was just looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can we please God? That would make my life

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<v Speaker 2>so much easier if we can just swear through this

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<v Speaker 2>hole this whole episode. But yeah, just also just like

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<v Speaker 2>what she was wearing, and she just looked like so

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<v Speaker 2>seventies you know, I still you know, ice storm kind

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<v Speaker 2>of with this cigarette. It was so good good.

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<v Speaker 1>This letter is brutal, yes, and is widening the crack

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<v Speaker 1>between Richard and Emily after Emily learned about the lunches,

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<v Speaker 1>oh with the notorious pendulum.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot And what a great name by the way, right right,

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<v Speaker 2>perfect name for a nemesis.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think this is the turning point in their marriage?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I mean maybe it would have been, but the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that he made the decision at the end of

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<v Speaker 2>the episode to not have his mother's ashes watching over

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<v Speaker 2>her and judging her until the end of time on

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<v Speaker 2>the mantle, you know what I mean. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that was a choice and a statement, you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>I choose you right right right, I still choose you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, tough sledding.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I wrong? Because I actually don't know how like

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<v Speaker 2>I if they ended up.

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<v Speaker 1>Together, it's an incredibly difficult situation. Yeah, And I think, boy,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, no matter what decisions she makes here, Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you're a first time or to the series,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know you come upon this particular narrative at

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<v Speaker 1>this juncture, there is no wrong move for Emily here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, she's completely justified into ending the marriage and

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<v Speaker 1>also you know, forgiving him and moving on and you

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<v Speaker 1>rising above, there's there's not a wrong move she can make.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, can I ask you something because I I this

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<v Speaker 2>is a really good this is a really good moment

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<v Speaker 2>for a confession that I have not watched every episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Gilmore Girls, so I actually don't know did their

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<v Speaker 2>marriage survive this?

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people will just have to keep tuning in

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<v Speaker 1>to find out.

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<v Speaker 2>Are people who are listening to your podcast watching for

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<v Speaker 2>the first time or are they watching? Are they all

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<v Speaker 2>in again with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, my thought is that they will stay together.

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<v Speaker 2>He ultimately chooses her by making that decision at the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and that is the final answer.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she should get the option of getting to

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<v Speaker 1>blow up one of its roles for risis.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about how cathartic that would be, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Or she gets to have a weekend in Marbeo with

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<v Speaker 1>Eric Estrada right, Richard.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, all right, so Rory at Yale.

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle thinks Rory plagiarized her article with certain phrases she's

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<v Speaker 1>using and is ab set.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole newsroom is using the computers for personal uses.

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<v Speaker 3>Rory rewrites grants obituary because Richard hated it.

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<v Speaker 1>Doyle gets upset at first, and she uses the great

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<v Speaker 1>grandmother just died hall pass. He then lets her finish

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<v Speaker 1>the obituary and relates to her because his grandma just died.

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<v Speaker 3>Trish. Doyle's very tough from the beginning of this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, then what happens He softens when he learns about

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<v Speaker 1>the obituary and lets Rory get to know her great grandmother.

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<v Speaker 3>That was a nice moment talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But then she felt guilty because she wasn't as close

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<v Speaker 2>to her great grandmother as she as he was to his.

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<v Speaker 2>So she felt like she had to fess up, like

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<v Speaker 2>I was just using this as a hall pass. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't really I didn't know her all that well, you know, right, yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because she of course she's going to do the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing, yes, Rory, always right, always, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And as the mother of a couple of teenage daughters,

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<v Speaker 2>boy that would be nice.

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<v Speaker 3>To have that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is not my case.

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<v Speaker 3>How old are your girls?

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<v Speaker 2>Sixteen and almost eighteen?

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<v Speaker 3>So lots of peace?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, I mean there's no drama, thank god.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I never had that, like, oh God, you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have two teenage girls and your life is

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a nightmare. I never had that. But

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<v Speaker 2>it is a lot. It's a lot too.

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<v Speaker 3>It is a blissful, joyful experience.

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<v Speaker 2>So rewarding, Scott, So rewarding it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't see my face, but I'm looking real sarcastic, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I can hear it. Okay, I can hear it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's get down to the centerpiece of this show.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean what this show was made for. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is Luke and Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what everybody's tuning in for.

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<v Speaker 1>Meant, there's they're not They're just like they're blah blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, now this.

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<v Speaker 2>Stuff, yeah, yeah, yeah, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>So guess who's in town.

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<v Speaker 2>Who's in town?

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<v Speaker 1>Nicole's in town? Well, yeah, and guess who she's arguing.

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<v Speaker 3>With on a match my no good husband, darn right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>every every bit of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a question about arguing on the bench. But

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to give our little recap.

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<v Speaker 3>First, no, no, go ahead. I love questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So I remember shooting that episode and the scene

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<v Speaker 2>we're on the bench and the people are watching us.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's watching us from the diner, and you can't hear

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<v Speaker 2>what we're saying. So not the scene where we're fighting

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<v Speaker 2>and you can hear what we're saying, but the scene

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<v Speaker 2>on the bench. Tell me if I'm wrong. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that we were actually having a normal conversation but just

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<v Speaker 2>gesticulating wildly to make it look like we were fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Like I feel like we were. I feel like, again,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't see me, but I'm going to gesticulate wildly.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like we were, like, you know, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>what we did over the weekend, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I went to happy hour at the bar. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had the time of my life, probably going

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<v Speaker 2>to go back, like just we were like fighting, but

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<v Speaker 2>talking about something super normal. Do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>So you're saying, okay, so you're saying that we were

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<v Speaker 1>in the background of one shot and that's what we

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<v Speaker 1>were doing, or yeah, oh okay, I wouldn't put it

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<v Speaker 1>past me to float that idea to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm sure it was your idea, because I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>a silly little guest star, and I wouldn't have made

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<v Speaker 2>both decisions on my own. But like, I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we were talking about our weekend or like a guy

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<v Speaker 2>I was dating or something silly, okay, but just doing

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<v Speaker 2>it in a very angry way because we were on

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<v Speaker 2>camera but we couldn't be heard. It sounds like something

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<v Speaker 2>we would do.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let's just let's just say that's what that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 1>It was actually, it was actually an exercise that we

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<v Speaker 1>used to do in uh in my little uh my

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<v Speaker 1>first acting class in New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really yeah, where you have to emote like the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of what the words are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I like that. Yeah, all kinds of tricks. Tricks. So,

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<v Speaker 3>and everyone in Luke's diner.

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<v Speaker 1>Is very quiet, looking up, trying to listen to this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of this argument that we're having, which we're really

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<v Speaker 1>just talking about mendane stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Miss Patty walks in and they shusher looked. Then Luke

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<v Speaker 1>think comes downstairs and he is in a bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. That's that's the next scene, right, the first one.

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<v Speaker 2>We're on the park bench fighting.

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<v Speaker 1>At the very and then Nicole comes downstairs and try

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<v Speaker 1>to talk to him. They continue arguing, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>end their conversation.

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<v Speaker 3>And who walks away? Who walks away? Nicole?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Tricia, this is your final episode in Gilmore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>although you are mentioned more times throughout the season, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think Nicole should have gotten a better send off?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean you put a ring on it. That

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<v Speaker 2>should mean something, right, you know, like I, as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I know, I was the only one, not me,

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<v Speaker 2>not me personally, Nicole was the only one you actually

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<v Speaker 2>went the distance with, albeit briefly, right, And so yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I think they should have a bigger, a bigger sendoff

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<v Speaker 2>for Nicole. Right, Yeah, that's rewatching that episode. I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>that that was my last one. It felt like there

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be something that wrapped it all up

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<v Speaker 2>in a bow, like to follow in another episode, So

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<v Speaker 2>I'd forgotten that that was it.

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<v Speaker 3>Trista at this point, did you know that this was

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<v Speaker 3>going to be your last episode? No, there's really no

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<v Speaker 3>way you could, though, I don't think.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, And remember and we talked about this in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two. I didn't even know I was coming

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<v Speaker 2>back for this season because when I was hired and

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<v Speaker 2>when I was cast, I was cast for a specific

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<v Speaker 2>amount of episodes. I don't know how many. It was

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<v Speaker 2>maybe four or something.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember. I would I would, I would call

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<v Speaker 3>Amy in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say more, bring her back, please, or more because

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<v Speaker 2>she's so amazing. Well, we got along really well, like

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<v Speaker 2>we we had fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a lot. It was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 3>It was Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But when I was cast and I said this time that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I had just finished finished a series where

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<v Speaker 2>I had to dye my hair red and and then

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<v Speaker 2>that series was canceled. And then the next day I

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<v Speaker 2>auditioned for Nicole and got it. I was like shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I got I was like so excited to get my blonde,

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<v Speaker 2>my normal hair back, And so then that's why for

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<v Speaker 2>that first season of Nicole, I was a redhead. And

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<v Speaker 2>then I thought I was done, and so I, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>went back to blonde, and then they called me back

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<v Speaker 2>for the following season. I was like shit. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>I did not know that that was gonna be my

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<v Speaker 2>last episode. But I also didn't even know that I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to be in that season at all, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember that fight scene when I you come

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<v Speaker 2>back down to the diner. Everyone was listening, and then

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<v Speaker 2>I follow you down there and I was like, are

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<v Speaker 2>you coming back? And You're like, I thought we were done,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, I was in the middle of

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<v Speaker 2>the word september, like watch. I thought that line was

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<v Speaker 2>so genius at the time that I never forgot it,

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<v Speaker 2>and then rewatching it, I was like, that was such

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<v Speaker 2>a good line. I was in the middle of you

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<v Speaker 2>left the conversation thinking it was over when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the word september.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, all right, kiddle, Yeah, that's going to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>this one up. Thank you everybody, Trisha Kelly, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>coming back. Always welcome. Let's not let three years pass

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<v Speaker 1>until you come back for a third go route.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love it. I would love it anytime. Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure Amy would appreciate less phone calls from me

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I said, keep them coming, Scott, keep them coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep keep the phone calls going, all right, I keep going,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, cool, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, best fans on the planet, So appreciate you guys,

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