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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to cool people who did cool stuff.

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Speaker 1: This is part two of the thing you're listening to,

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Speaker 1: which is the week with. The first part was before,

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Speaker 1: and then this is the second part. I'm Margaret. Our

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Speaker 1: guest is prop Are you doing prop so? Man? Ready

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Speaker 1: to hear some good news? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, talk to me nice. We're gonna have We're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some some good stuff happen, um and sad

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Speaker 1: stuff unfortunately, but so it goes. I guess with this, uh,

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Speaker 1: whoever this, whoever this person is, I'm not seeing a

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Speaker 1: picture of him, but I'm assuming he fine is hale

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Speaker 1: because he's funny. Here he's awesome because he's this like, um,

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Speaker 1: he's this like portly short guy with him out. No, No,

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Speaker 1: he's like the uncle you really like. You know, Hey,

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Speaker 1: he just a dope Like a picture of him. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: he's like a dope somebody man. Yeah, drop a pitch,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay yeah nah yeah, No, I mean he's

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Speaker 1: somebody's like bad decent uncle. Yeah, he's your decent uncle.

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Speaker 1: He's not like not a bad he was saddam mustache

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Speaker 1: growing on the style at the time. I was just

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Speaker 1: assuming he was a baddie like everybody else in Brazil.

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Speaker 1: Now he's he's all right, we'll gotta do it, all right.

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Speaker 1: That other voice is Sophie, Sofie producer. Hi, Sophie, I

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Speaker 1: guess I knows that as part two, My bad for

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Speaker 1: Saddam and you Chico. They're very not Saddam. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we'll get to I mean the look though, the look though,

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Speaker 1: it's like they probably went to the same like you know,

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Speaker 1: disco texts. They probably they probably pointed to the same

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Speaker 1: photo at the barbershop. It's sorry, yeah, absolutely, yeah, yeah exactly,

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Speaker 1: it's the only photo at the barbershop at this time.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, to be fair because communism anyway. Ian is

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Speaker 1: our audio engineer on Woman Roto theme Music. Today we

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Speaker 1: are talking about the rubber tappers, the Brazilian Amazon who

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Speaker 1: fought like hell to save their home, and we're focusing

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Speaker 1: on one organizer, Chico Mendez and his mustache, but the

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Speaker 1: movement itself is the cool person this week, possibly also

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Speaker 1: his mustache, depending on your opinion of mustaches. Yep. Where

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Speaker 1: we last left off, Chico had just grown up and

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Speaker 1: a communist fugitive had been teaching him before disappearing mysteriously

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Speaker 1: into the trees to foment revolution. No, he died, and

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Speaker 1: let's see where they go from there. Hopefully he doesn't

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Speaker 1: become a misogynist out of the blue. That would be

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Speaker 1: really frustrating. Damn it, that's foreshadowing, I know. So it's

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Speaker 1: not long before Chico is trying to get up some

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Speaker 1: political shit. He can read and write, which very few

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Speaker 1: people around him can do, and so he starts writing

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Speaker 1: this is really sweet. His The first political action that

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Speaker 1: he's like, hey, things are kind of bad here, and

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Speaker 1: he includes like lots of information about how everything's bad.

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Speaker 1: They're like, hey, up out, this doesn't work. So he

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Speaker 1: The other thing Chico Mendez is good at is marrying

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Speaker 1: teenagers and being shitty to them. Yea. When he was

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Speaker 1: He complained about it constantly. Yeah, I was hoping you

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Speaker 1: well it's nineteen no, but no, damn no, an actual child. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: damn it. Okay, but now he's a teacher. What could

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Speaker 1: What great is he teaching? So mostly he's teaching adults.

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Speaker 1: I was this the protagonist. You were supposed to tell

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Speaker 1: me something good today, Margaret. I okay, the original draft

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Speaker 1: this time, not when he marries his second wife, but

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Speaker 1: which basically means, let's go fuck up the rainforest. Yes,

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Speaker 1: And you know, it's like it's now going Margaret, when

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Speaker 1: but my other one, she's out of this season now,

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Speaker 1: you know, Thank the Lord. But there was a time

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Speaker 1: it's such a good point. Yeah, why you want cattle man? Yeah? Yeah? No,

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Speaker 1: not sustainable development, but bad development. Families, mostly poor families,

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Speaker 1: These are mostly poor fucking people. Yeah, they slash and burn,

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Speaker 1: people about their problems um and connecting with people one

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00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:57,520
Speaker 1: on one. And there's a new left party on the

422
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: scene in nineteen seventy eight called the Workers Party or

423
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,159
Speaker 1: it's founded by Lula, the guy who's currently the president

424
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: of Brazil, and it is not popular at first. It

425
00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:10,159
Speaker 1: is a leftist opposition party. Chico is setting up the

426
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: Aukry branch of it. He actually started off joining the

427
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: Illegal Communist Party because but he's a practical man at heart.

428
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: More than he's a communist, he's a I'm get stuff done.

429
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So the PT is doing more for people,

430
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: so he switches. Later in life, he actually starts working

431
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: for the Green Party literally just because environmentalism attracts more

432
00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: international support it does unfortunately. Yeah, that's gonna be a

433
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: big thing for them, is that they keep being like,

434
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: why don't you care when it's people dying, and people

435
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, yeah, we don't care about people, and

436
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 1: it's like, we should care about both. I don't understand

437
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: why this is such a why is it a zero

438
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: sum game? Which y'all, yeah, yeah, exactly. So by the

439
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: late nineteen seventies, the ranchers, the sort of right wing,

440
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: the big owners. They come up with a very effective

441
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: tactic as well. It's called murder. They just and they

442
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,919
Speaker 1: moved from killing just random peasants, which I guess they

443
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: were already doing. Murder. Strategic murder is what they moved to.

444
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 1: Instead of just killing random peasants, they start killing movement leaders,

445
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,120
Speaker 1: priests and union leaders and stubborn squatters all wind up dead.

446
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: At some point during all this, Chico Mendez is kidnapped

447
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,240
Speaker 1: into a car, hooded and beat by the side of

448
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 1: the road, but he's not killed, not yet. The spoiler,

449
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,720
Speaker 1: the union president in the region, is a guy named

450
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: Wilson Pinnaro, and he's gunned down in nineteen eighty after

451
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: receiving such a threat of that he's gonna get murdered.

452
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: Chico probably maybe only survived this by being out of town.

453
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: No one really knows, but he was out of town

454
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: what happened, and the workers were mad, like like real mad.

455
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: So a thousand mourners come to see his body, and

456
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: Chico is a little bit like, hey, we probably shouldn't

457
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 1: fall unto revenge killing. It'll go bad. But everyone's like, no,

458
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: we're going to do revenge killing. So several dozen arm

459
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,719
Speaker 1: tappers go to the suspected rancher's house, the suspected murderer.

460
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: They ambushed on him on his way in. They put

461
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: thirty to forty rounds into him. He's dead. None of

462
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 1: these various murders on either side gets solved, including there's

463
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: some revenge killing for the revenge killing, which is the

464
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 1: problem with revenge killing to be fair. Yeah, Chico goes

465
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: into hiding for months, but eventually he comes out of hiding.

466
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: He gets elected leader of the union, and their movement

467
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: just keeps growing. A bunch of communists have been hiding

468
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: out in the jungle. That other guy wasn't the only one.

469
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: They join. The liberal newspaper becomes a labor newspaper and

470
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: it outsells any other paper in the area by like

471
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 1: twice over. Folks who who could read would read it

472
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: to everyone else in big public meetings, and direct action

473
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: was only part of it. A newspaper was only part

474
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: of it. They also set up schools and worker cooperatives,

475
00:26:54,040 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: which is again part of the Like this movement fucking ruled. Yeah,

476
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: they were like, we're going to bring education and financial

477
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: independence to the rubber tappers, and the cooperative model they

478
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: wound up with was borrowed from a model that indigenous

479
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: folks in the area had been using alongside outside help

480
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: to set up their own cooperatives. But basically it was like,

481
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: we're going to cut out the rubber bosses, we're going

482
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: to sell directly to the merchants, and we're going to

483
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: stop being exploited that way. Yeah, the schools get started

484
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: by this grad student. It's kind of funny. This is

485
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: a very movie part of it. There's this like Mary

486
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: Helena l. Gretty and she shows up to do field work.

487
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 1: She's like, Oh, I'm going to go study these people.

488
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: And then she's like, oh, this place fucking sucks, like

489
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 1: literacy is forced onto people. So she decides to set

490
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: up some schools. But she doesn't do it in the

491
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: colonisty way that could easily happen, right, She doesn't say

492
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: I know how to do this. She goes to Chico

493
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 1: Mendes and she goes to the union and she says,

494
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: how do I help this happen? How do I make

495
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: this happen the way that works with you? While um

496
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,360
Speaker 1: and so she stays part of the movement and one

497
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: of the movement leaders for the rest of the fucking time.

498
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: And she does it so not so not so dangerous mindset. Yeah,

499
00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: I haven't seen us a kid um good Yeah kids,

500
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,680
Speaker 1: Third and most learn. I love that song when I

501
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: was in middle school. It's a great song. Yeah around it. Yeah.

502
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,159
Speaker 1: But yeah, so she's I couldn't remember whether Michelle Feiffer

503
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: does it in a good way or bad way in

504
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: that movie. So no, she's white Savior. Yeah. Yeah, she's

505
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 1: moving to the Ander City School and she whips them

506
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: all into shape. Yeah that makes a yeah. Yeah, and

507
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: so that's not what Ali Gretty is doing. I believe

508
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: how it happens. Yeah, Chico mendees it. During all this time,

509
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,720
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm gonna be a politician. He's convinced. All

510
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 1: of his friends are like, you suck at that be

511
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: an organizer. He runs for Mary, No, he runs for Mary,

512
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: runs for states senator. He runs like so many different races,

513
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: and he keeps fucking up his organizing by like, oh,

514
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: I gotta leave because I gotta go fucking go hilarious

515
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: campaign or whatever. He never wins a race besides the

516
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: town council race. He wants won a quarter. Only a

517
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: quarter of the potential voters in the region were registered

518
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: because and most and so it's like the rubber tappers

519
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: and the poor folks who would be on his side

520
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: were not voters by and large. Yeah. Sorry. They also

521
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: don't even like the Workers Party, most of them. They

522
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: like the Union, they like the empaches, they like fucking

523
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: up things and getting things done, but they're not like, oh, yeah,

524
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: the Workers Party, that's for us. So yeah, his friends

525
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 1: keep trying to talk him out of it to the

526
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: day he dies. He keeps running for shit, keeps losing.

527
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 1: Maria Helena Michelle Pfeiffer is back in the city and

528
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: she's fighting like hell for land reform and better treatment

529
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: of indigenous people and all kinds of cool shit. She

530
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: keeps her connections to the Amazon, and she basically sets

531
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: herself up as like a way to channel what's happening

532
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: in the Amazon out to first the rest of Brazil

533
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: and then internationally. And yeah, it's through her that Chico

534
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: and the unions start doing nationwide and international shit. Chico

535
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: starts traveling to the US and ship to network. He

536
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: winds up like putting pressure on the World Bank to

537
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: get them to like cancel loans unless they treat people better.

538
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 1: And during all of this they get yet another ally

539
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: to their movement. They get the environmental movement. And obviously

540
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: for them it wasn't this abstract preserve the environment thing,

541
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: but they had to learn the language of basically like

542
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: us environmentalism in order to get support and money. Yeah,

543
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: and they're all kind of mad about it because they're

544
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: like the only way that we come across as important

545
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 1: to you is if we're like seen as charismatic megafauna,

546
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, especially the indigenous people are like, oh yeah,

547
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: you'll put us on the cover of National Geographic or whatever.

548
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: But like we're just fucking people and we live here,

549
00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, it has to be like this,

550
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: like yeah, this like sage ancient wisdom that yeah, this

551
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: like Mystic Woman who is almost like Avatar esque, like

552
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: the movie, like I'm at one with this thing and

553
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: now you like it, rather than being like yo, I

554
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: just they shouldn't burn down my land. I live here, Yeah, yeah,

555
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. But they do actually also take some stuff

556
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: from the environmental movement a positive way besides just like

557
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: financial support and attention, and specifically it helps them frame

558
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: at Chico at least talks about this. Maybe it's just

559
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: talking bullshit in order to get attention, I don't know,

560
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: but like it helps them frame their struggle as not

561
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: just a local struggle, but like an international struggle, a

562
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: global struggle, because there's like this, people are being like, oh,

563
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: it's actually around the time people start pay attention to

564
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: global warming. They ignore it, including to the present day,

565
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: but it's like when they start being like, oh, this

566
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: is going to cause them like real shit if we

567
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: burn down the lungs of the earth or whatever. Yeah,

568
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: and so like Chico talks about being like I started

569
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: off fighting for my people and now I'm fighting for

570
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: you know, the world or whatever. They also during all

571
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: of this set up one of the coolest things that

572
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: they do this concept of extractive reserves, which is preserve

573
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 1: the forest but continually but continue to be able to

574
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 1: sustainably harvest things like rubber and brazil nuts from it.

575
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: And it's basically this idea of being like humans are

576
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: part of nature, and it kind of presages what we

577
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: talk about now with environmentalism. You know, Um, yeah, that's

578
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: what that's what I was going to. That's what I

579
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: was definitely going to bring that up because I'm like,

580
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: the more you understand, like indigenous communities, they don't have

581
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: this separation between human and nature, like we are, we are,

582
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: we are, we're all. It's all nature. Yeah, and like

583
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: these aren't two separate, it's the same. I don't understand

584
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: how y'all separating the two is they are one thing?

585
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: And also, uh, something interesting that you that you you're

586
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 1: kind of bringing up to is is the reality of

587
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: how do I say this, like which you probably are

588
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: going to get to later, but like just the view

589
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: in sort of like uh, climate change in environmental circles

590
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: to where it's like you have the one side that's like,

591
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: let's try to get this back to like Garden of

592
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: Eden energy to where it's like before humans touched it, right, Yeah,

593
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: And that's one view and then the other view is

594
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: like that's literally impossible because we don't know how that

595
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: was Number one and number two humans exist, you know

596
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And it's like and we we we

597
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: live on the planet. You know, we don't have to

598
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: be a parasite though, like there's there is a way

599
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: to be on the to be on the planet, to

600
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: understand that we are one of many creatures on it,

601
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, and no other creature depleted the land like this.

602
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: You know, we don't have to be that. There's millions

603
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: of other creatures here that have not destroyed their environment.

604
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And there's like millions of other cultures of

605
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: humans that have not destroyed their environment, you know exactly. Yeah.

606
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: They have lived thousands and thousands of thousands of years. Yeah,

607
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: they ain't every day, know what I'm saying. They did

608
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: look for it's still here. Yeah, they live here the

609
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: whole time. Four's still here. Yeah. No. It's funny because

610
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: like more and more, finally people and whatever Western folks

611
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: are realizing that all throughout even the Amazon rainforest, they're

612
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,319
Speaker 1: running across these like stands of brazil nuts and all

613
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: this stuff that we're like, we're clearly planted. It was

614
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: clearly like yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like they work.

615
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: We had the environment. Yeah, yeah, we had guardens, we

616
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 1: had farms. Yeah, that's that's um. I know you you're

617
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna get to this too. But that's an interesting

618
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: side not even about like American sort of Native American history,

619
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: where people would be like you know, even around the

620
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: time like the Teddy Roosevelt and just being like, we

621
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: want to preserve our great American outdoors. Look at this untapped,

622
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: you know, untouched pristine forests, and the natives are like, no,

623
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: that's our garden. That's what are you talking about. We grew,

624
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: we grew strawberries. There is what do you mean untouched.

625
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: We've been harvesting this land since five hundd BC. What

626
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: did you talk about? Yeah, yeah, we put so we

627
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: just take it. And you're claiming, Yeah, it's just like

628
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: we just take care of it. Like I don't under

629
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: stay at what you're saying. Yeah, it's like walking into

630
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: someone's house and it's not trashed, a trashed bachelor pad,

631
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: and being like, no one lives here because if you

632
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: live here, you get pizza boxes everywhere. And it's like, no,

633
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 1: I I grew up and I learned how to throw

634
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: my pizza boxes away. Yeah it's just simple. I just

635
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: I just threw off the trash. It's just yeah, look

636
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: at this beautiful untouched house. No I live in it.

637
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: What do you think? I just cleaned up? What are

638
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: you talking about? I just cleaned up after myself. Yeah,

639
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: so yeah that's what. Um, that's and I love that

640
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: they they they kind of presaged that, like it's stuff

641
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: that the environmental movement in the North was having didn't

642
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: quite get yet, at least the non indigenous one. And

643
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: they end up so they end up opening a bunch

644
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: of these fucking reserves, these extractive reserves as a way

645
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: to save the forest and also participate in the economy

646
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: and feed themselves and all this stuff stuff, And they

647
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: make one other really important ally during this time, the

648
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: indigenous people of the Amazon. And this was the biggest deal, right.

649
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: I Mean, it wasn't the thing that changed everything financially

650
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: or whatever, but from my point of view, is the

651
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: biggest deal because because despite all the like intermarrying and

652
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: like some connections or whatever, the rubber tappers and the

653
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,439
Speaker 1: indigenous people have been at odds for a machete point

654
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:37,879
Speaker 1: for like centuries, right, Yeah, but they navigated it. They

655
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: created the alliance of the peoples of the forest. And

656
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,760
Speaker 1: Chico is a big part of this. But I think

657
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: I think that the initial push actually came from indigenous

658
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: folks because I read about I read them saying, hey,

659
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: we should probably do this, and then like and then

660
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: I read about like Chico doing it, but like the

661
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: movement did it, and Chico was a big part of it.

662
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to to play that, but I just

663
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: don't want to play it up too big. And they

664
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: meant it though. They made this alliance. And at one

665
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: point the I can't remember it was a World Bank

666
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 1: or someone, someone's like basically like, hey, what if we

667
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: sell out the indigenous people but give the rubber tappers

668
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: what they want? How about that chic and she goes

669
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: just gets up and walks out of the room and

670
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: like stops them. No, they meant it. They like created

671
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: this alliance and they fucking meant it. Yeah. But there

672
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: was one group of people. The Chico Mendes wasn't excited

673
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: about working with women. Women. Women rudic for you, I know,

674
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I know. So women started coming along to them paches,

675
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: and they had to disapointed right now, you know, because

676
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: I really there's so many things you're so good about him.

677
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,720
Speaker 1: So the women had to fight the men fairly hard.

678
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I know, I know. Margaret. Margaret texts

679
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: me so mad yesterday. Yeah. She was like she was like,

680
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: I was eighty percent through and then I found out

681
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: this horrible thing and I was like, yeah, I mean,

682
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:32,239
Speaker 1: he's a man. So there was a good chance yeah

683
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: at this time, you know. But yeah, which is why

684
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:42,280
Speaker 1: we're working on developing our Cool Wife Guys of History podcast. Yeah,

685
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: about men who actually cared about the women who were

686
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: part of their lives. Yes, so the women had to

687
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: fight like hell against the men. Not all of the

688
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: men to come along on the apaches, but one man

689
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: in particular stood in their way. That man was Chico Mendez,

690
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: who went point damn it. Yeah, who around this time

691
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: starts sleeping with that fifteen year old Oh, when she

692
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: turns nineteen, they get married. Soon he is cheating on her,

693
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: and then when she cheats on him, he threatens to

694
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 1: shoot her and he has to be talked out of

695
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: it by his friends. And he only sees her a

696
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: couple of days a year because he's always off doing

697
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: activist shit. And she wants to join the movement and

698
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: come with him the whole time. As far as I

699
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: can tell, she's like, no, I want to just actually

700
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: be part of your life in this movement. He tells

701
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: her things like, quote, my work is not play, which

702
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 1: gets out what you're talking about earlier, being like you're

703
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: mad at someone for being childish, then don't marry children. Yes,

704
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: And the other quote is this is this is business

705
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: and you can't keep a secret. So his wife is

706
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: not part of the activism. She is at home with

707
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: the kids. Okay, but if you're stuck at home with

708
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: the kids and you should try buying stuff, how's that?

709
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: So if he's not excited about this, it's been a

710
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: rough one for ad transition. I mean that's kind of

711
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: what happens, man, you know. I mean me being the

712
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: opposite of him and totally loving my wife and totally

713
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: respecting her. And she's not a teenager that shout. Do

714
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I do find myself at

715
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: home with the kids sometimes, and you do be buying stuff. Yeah, exactly.

716
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 1: So here's some stuff and we are back and yeah, no,

717
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: I yep, I actually think once again another reason you're

718
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: a good guest for this particular Yeah, you're a big

719
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: wife guy. Yeah. How you released a song? I released

720
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: a song just now, like a video and it's just

721
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: me and three homies and just a bunch of pictures

722
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: of us with our wives being in love with him

723
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 1: the whole video. Yeah, Yes, I love the thing that

724
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,439
Speaker 1: shouldn't be that shouldn't be a high bar. You know. No,

725
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: it's just like even in like traditional masculinity and machiesmo

726
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: carrying and protecting as part of it, and that's good.

727
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: I just that, Yeah, there's certain there's certain aspects of

728
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: stupid masculinity that I just I didn't get that germ

729
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: like that. I'm like, and I don't get it when

730
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: I see it that whole like I'm more prone to

731
00:41:31,560 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: and try to impress the homies than I am. The

732
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: girl is like, I don't get that part, you know

733
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, where you're in a pissing contest in everything.

734
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: You know, also, don't get the idea of being like,

735
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: no baby me alone. I'm with the pros. I'm like, yeah,

736
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the homies like, uh, I see you

737
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: dudes later. I spend time, but I'm gonna goes. I

738
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,479
Speaker 1: actually like this woman. I think she's incredible. I'm gonna

739
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: go spend time with her. Yeah fu yeah, I'll be

740
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: at the creative homie. So back to his activism, pretending

741
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: like all this other stuff doesn't well, I mean, obviously

742
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: we don't actually pretend like this other stuff didn't happen,

743
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 1: but you know, it's a context worth understanding about him,

744
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 1: but they the movement, including him, are doing amazing shit.

745
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: At this point, they drive out several of the biggest

746
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: ranchers out of the area, including some guy named the

747
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: cattle King who also owns ranches in the fucking us

748
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: and that guy that guys are used car salesman. Yeah.

749
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: I hate that guy, the cattle King. Yeah. And they

750
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: do it by basically being like, look, it is just

751
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: not worth it to you, like the return on investment

752
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 1: of cutting down this forest, dealing with us, did I

753
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: mention the part where we're here and we have guns,

754
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 1: Like it makes it just not fucking worth it for people.

755
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: And so financially, they're all finally like fuck it, I'm

756
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: gonna get out of here, and so they start driving

757
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: away more and more ranchers, but not all of the

758
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: ranchers are leaving. There's one particular group of ranchers that

759
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 1: doesn't leave, and they tend to be the we call

760
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 1: ourselves ranchers, but we mostly run drugs type of ranchers. Oh,

761
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 1: I like those guys. Here we go, here we go.

762
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: So the most murdery of the rancher families in the

763
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 1: area was the Alvez family. They were like, oh yeah,

764
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: we're totally definitely ranchers, not a criminal network of murderers

765
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 1: who moved cocaine. But everyone knew they were lying, because

766
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 1: they didn't care that everyone knew they were lying. Darley

767
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: Alvez da Silva lived on a ten thousand acre ranch,

768
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: which is really fucking big. I live on five acres

769
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: and I have more land than almost anyone I know. Yeah,

770
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: he lived on that ranch with his brother, his dad,

771
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 1: his four wives, his thirty kids, and about a dozen

772
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: hired gunmen who occasionally did ranch work too. They were

773
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: super murdery, murdered anyone who looked at them funny, mostly

774
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: random workers and shit, including their own workers. Later, at

775
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: one point, they try to hire this gunman to kill Chico,

776
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: but he actually backs out and goes and warns Chico

777
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,040
Speaker 1: because he doesn't mind being hired as a murderer. But

778
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 1: then he finds out that this would be employers of

779
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: a tendency to murder their own employees, and he's like,

780
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work for this guy. Like, if I go,

781
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: says someone, I'm gonna fucking die. I never understood that.

782
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: Whenever you're watching some movie and they like they show

783
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: the bad guys really bad by having him like kill

784
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: one of his subordinates. Like, that's a terrible leadership. How

785
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: do you run an autocratic regime killing everyone? It doesn't

786
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: on your side anyway, it's not functional. Yeah, the Elvis

787
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: family had moved recently to the jungle because them and

788
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: run out of everywhere else for murdering people. Once there,

789
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: they start providing muscle for cocaine transportation. Most of the

790
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: stuff I read about doesn't really focus on the drug

791
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: running part. I only found one reference to the fact

792
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: that they were running drugs, But to me it clicks

793
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 1: and makes everything else makes sense. And so I don't

794
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: know whether the books I was reading just like kind

795
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,760
Speaker 1: of didn't want to get into the drug trade stuff,

796
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: or like didn't know about it, or they were written

797
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:56,280
Speaker 1: during a time when it would be a bad idea

798
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: to talk about it, or maybe it wasn't as big

799
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: a deal part of their deal it seems like it,

800
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: But it seems to me like it was a big

801
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: part of it. The other batty for this episode, the

802
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 1: Tappers get a union. How come rich landowners and ranchers

803
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: can't have a union, so they they form one. They

804
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: form the Rural Democratic Union, which is affront for doing

805
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: all the violent stuff against Robbert tappers, small farmers and

806
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:29,959
Speaker 1: landless folks. Yeah, there's no white entertainment television exactly. Yeah,

807
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: much like white entertainment television. Their motto is tradition, family

808
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 1: and property. Oh god, not the property. Yeah, tradition, family

809
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: and property and blood and soil. What's so funny about Like,

810
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,840
Speaker 1: I know that they're hypocrites about everything and everything's fucked,

811
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: but like they are not the traditional inhabitants of the Amazon,

812
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,919
Speaker 1: not even the white settle are traditional. Like this would

813
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah if Texas Nazis moved to Appalachia and started murdering

814
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: the folks here who live here and then started talking

815
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: about tradition, that's how it. Like, Oh, they're not fucking

816
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: from here. They're not even the white people who are

817
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:20,959
Speaker 1: sort of from here multigenerationally or whatever. You know. Yeah,

818
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: their main point of activism was that the ranchers had

819
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: the right to use violence to defend their property. Their

820
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: main activism was to buy all the ranchers more weapons.

821
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 1: They'd have big fundraisers like I'm making this up, but

822
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,920
Speaker 1: like Bingo night for guns for ranchers and the ranchers

823
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: tried to ambush Chico Mendes like multiple times. Like I've

824
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: read different numbers of the numbers of times that people

825
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: tried to kill him. Five ish seems to be the

826
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: general median. The ranchers themselves usually not doing this attempted murder,

827
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: usually attired killers. Chico Mendes goes out and gets himself

828
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 1: a pistol permit and a pistol for obvious reasons. So

829
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: Darcy Alvez, he's hired to clear out the rubber tappers

830
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 1: from where Chico Mendez grew up, and hundreds of rubber

831
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: tappers show up and occupy the place in a in

832
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: their classic semi peaceful way, armed non violence. I guess

833
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: they hold the place for months. Darcy gets told by

834
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: the military police that if shit goes down, people will

835
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: no doubt die on both sides, and Darcy will be

836
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 1: held responsible, so he doesn't attack. Darcy tries to buy

837
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: Chico off Chico's like, hell no, doesn't. He won't even

838
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 1: shake the guy's hand, And the rubber tappers win. And

839
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 1: as there's a standoff in which against the police where

840
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: there's like about to be a massacre, this is this

841
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 1: is the way it gets told. I don't totally believe

842
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 1: this story because this two pat But there's a big

843
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 1: standoff with the police and they're all about to die.

844
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: And then all the little kids who are part of

845
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 1: the mpare starts singing the Brazilian national anthem, and then

846
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,440
Speaker 1: the cops join in and they all sing the Brazilian

847
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: national anthem together. Oh, nice little movie moment. Yeah, no,

848
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: it might have happened. Weird shit happens. Then tens of

849
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: thousands of acres are turned into an extractive reserve and

850
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the Alves family is denied their job of driving out

851
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: and murdering everyone. And because of this success is like

852
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: one of the biggest successes they've had. The tactics starts

853
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: spreading this like occupation tactic, and soon no new ranchers

854
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: are setting fire in Shapuri. Some of his activist friends

855
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: buy a house for Chico's family in town. At this

856
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: point because check this out, he literally hadn't bothered having

857
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 1: a house, so his wife and his kids had to

858
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: live with his wife's family and ship before that. Of course. Yeah,

859
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: these guys that are so driven by the movement, Yeah yeah, yeah,

860
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: And I have a I've thought about this. I stayed

861
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: up late angry about this. If you want to be

862
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm committed to the cause and not my family type

863
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: of guy, you can be that. All you have to

864
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: do is follow this one simple trick. Don't have a family.

865
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 1: It's I don't understand why that's so hard to understand. Yeah, well,

866
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 1: if you listen, he think, if you just don't have

867
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: wife and you just don't make babies, just don't make

868
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: other humans. Yeah, you ain't gotta worry about him. Yeah, yeah,

869
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: it seems so simple. I know we could. We could.

870
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: You literally work at a rubber place. You're literally where

871
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: rubber literally you can figure out. Yeah, you could have

872
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: the freshest condom in the world. Bro, you can, Yeah,

873
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 1: right out of the tree. Yea. Darcy Alvez is fucking mad.

874
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: Not about Chico being a bad husband. He's actually worse.

875
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,759
Speaker 1: Um we'll talk about why to his four wives later.

876
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's mad because the activists are winning,

877
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: so they double down on the violence thing, and more

878
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: and more pistoleros start marching through town. Someone shoots some

879
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: teenagers during a sit in a leftist church. Guy who's

880
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 1: running for town council gets murdered. Mendez starts being surrounded

881
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: by bodyguard at all time, and basically he's like, I'm

882
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: going to die. He doesn't want to die, but he

883
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: also doesn't want to leave town. He doesn't want to

884
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,239
Speaker 1: be a martyr. He refuses to leave. All of his

885
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: friends are like, hey, like it's cool and all you

886
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 1: could go somewhere else for a while. They're going to

887
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: murder you, and he's like, no, no, it's fine. His

888
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: quote around this time is after death were useless. Living

889
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: people achieve things. Corpses nothing, gosh. Yeah. So he starts

890
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,959
Speaker 1: digging up dirt on the Alvezs and he like uses

891
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: new activist connections to dig up the fact that they're

892
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: wanted in another state. He can't go to the local

893
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: police because the local police are in the Alvez's pocket,

894
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: of course, so he goes to the federal police, who

895
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: take their sweet time writing the warrants. They take more

896
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: than a month to do, so the Alvez's catch wind

897
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: of the fact that he's now snitched on them, and

898
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: the Alvez skipped town so that they don't get arrested.

899
00:50:55,360 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: And while they're out of town, Yeah, like what they're

900
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: doing makes sense from their you know, yes, and they

901
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: planned Chico's death. He turned forty four. On December fifteenth,

902
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight, he said he wouldn't live to see Christmas.

903
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: The UDR, the Rich People's Union, they're pouring money into

904
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: the problem, because of course they are. They've already bought

905
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: most of the newspapers, using them to talk shit on Chico,

906
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the Union, the Worker's Party in the church. Now they're

907
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 1: openly raising money for the reward for to murder Chico Mendez.

908
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: Hey green light, Okay, Yeah. The local cops who are

909
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: in the pocket of these folks, they take away Chico's

910
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: pistol permit. He stays armed illegally, and right up to

911
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,280
Speaker 1: the end, he's running around organizing people and joining getting

912
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 1: people to join the union. He's running off to cities

913
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: to be the face of the movement in the network,

914
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,720
Speaker 1: but he won't leave town for good. On December twenty second,

915
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: he's with his family and two bodyguards and his kids,

916
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: and he goes into his backyard to take a shower

917
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: at the sort of outhouse shower area. Two men had

918
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 1: been camped there, possibly for like a month, basically waiting

919
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: like they were hunting. Later, they found all the like

920
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 1: food cans and shit piled up there. Oh, so gross.

921
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 1: A man with a twenty gage shotgun murdered him. It

922
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: was likely Darley Alvez, Darcy's son, or it was an accomplice.

923
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: Darley confessed later said steadfastedly it was only him because

924
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: he was a murderer, but he was not a snitch. Yeah,

925
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 1: of course. Chico Mendez was one of nine hundred eighty

926
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: two union organizers and land rights activists killed in Brazil

927
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: between nineteen sixty four and nineteen eighty eight. Day he

928
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 1: was the fifth rural union president to be murdered in

929
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:48,239
Speaker 1: Brazil that year alone, and usually in Okra. The you

930
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: know that state, if you kill a guy, nothing bad

931
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: happens to you. But what they didn't realize, what the

932
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: killers didn't realize, You know that, like I don't know

933
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,440
Speaker 1: this happens to you. Then no one's a hero in

934
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: their hometown. Thing, where like people from your hometown never

935
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: quite understand the level of fame that you've acquired. Yes, yes, yeah,

936
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: which is great. It keeps you honest, but sometimes it's

937
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: really frustrating when people are like, yeah, whatever, anyway, do

938
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: you little music bang? How you little music thang going? Yeah?

939
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Like I feel myself that way. Fuck you

940
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: number two on the Billboard charts. Yeah, that's how it's going. Yeah,

941
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: it's a little yeah, exactly. Yeah. So it turns out

942
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: Chico Mendez was real famous, like international famous, like had

943
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: been in the New York Times famous, and killing famous

944
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: people is way harder to get away with. Yes, So

945
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the Fed's investigated and the Alveza is spent nineteen years

946
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: in prison. Oh and they suck, but they kind of

947
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: suck in a cool, badass TV villain kind of way. Yeah.

948
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: There are multiple armed standoffs involved in arresting them. Several

949
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: cops get shot in the process. They all break out

950
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: of prison for a while before getting recaptured. Witnesses and

951
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,879
Speaker 1: prosecutors at their trials late wind up dead or quit

952
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:06,360
Speaker 1: their jobs. Like there was this like paratrooper, judo instructor

953
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: or something who was like one of the prosecutors, and

954
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: then he's like, I have decided to prioritize my time

955
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: with my family and then he left the job. Okay,

956
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: sucker shit, yeah all right. And then my evidence for

957
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 1: this idea that this man was bad to his four

958
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: wives is that one of Darley's four wives killed herself

959
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: because she'd talked to police and she was afraid of

960
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: darl and what he might do. Oh my gosh. And

961
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 1: that's the end of Chico Mendez. A thousand people came

962
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: to his funeral a few days later, including Lula, the

963
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: current president of Brazil. Some people flew from the States.

964
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 1: The priest was there, the town's priest, Luis Seppi, and

965
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:47,080
Speaker 1: he was an Italian immigrant and a member of the

966
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: Italian Communist Party. And I just think that's funny that

967
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: their town priest was this Italian communist. Italian communist. Yeah, amazing.

968
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,320
Speaker 1: His death changed him shit. And most of the stuff

969
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,959
Speaker 1: I've read has been like he was a brilliant martyr

970
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: and it changed everything. But like I honestly think on

971
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: a longer timeline, like I think his life changed more.

972
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: I think he was right. He was an all right martyr.

973
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: You play the hand you got. But he was a

974
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: really good organizer. Other people kept going. The fight for

975
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,919
Speaker 1: the rainforest continues, indigenous people leading the way. It's still

976
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: getting burned. An ecology guy named Jose Lutzemberger as a

977
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: quote in the environmental movement, our defeats are always final,

978
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 1: our victory is always provisional. And I have a short afterwards.

979
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: I know, and it's it's kind of the inverse of like,

980
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: I like the inverse when the IRA told I think,

981
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: Margaret Thatcher, you have to get lucky every time. We

982
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: only have to get lucky once, yep. But unfortunately, with

983
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: fucking protecting the rainforest and the earth itself the opposite,

984
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: we have to get lucky every time. Yeah. So two

985
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 1: hundred environmental activists were killed around the world in twenty

986
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,880
Speaker 1: twenty one. Mexico wins the Dubious Award for most environmental

987
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: activists killed fifty four. These murders include a ton of politicians,

988
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: even who do things like opposed New Minds. Latin America

989
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: has more than three quarters of these murders, and more

990
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: than forty percent of these murders are of indigenous people.

991
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: The group that tracks this all the way, by the way,

992
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: if anyone feels like supporting them, is called Global Witness.

993
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't know a ton about them, so I'm not

994
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:21,000
Speaker 1: trying to be like this is the most important organization,

995
00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: but they are the people who track this, and that's

996
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: good that people track this. There have been a bunch

997
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: in the US also. The first one I know about

998
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: is a guy named Guy Bradley, who was a game

999
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,320
Speaker 1: warden who was supposed to enforce all the anti poaching

1000
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: laws in Florida in the early nineteen hundreds. He was

1001
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: left entirely alone with no backup and supposed to like

1002
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,320
Speaker 1: protect the egrets. He got shot at a bunch of times,

1003
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: but he kept going. In nineteen oh five, a Confederate

1004
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: veteran named Walter Smith murdered him and left him on

1005
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: the beach. Walter got found not guilty. On the plus side,

1006
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 1: Bradley's brothers torched the guy's house. Two more bird wardens

1007
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: were murdered over the next few years. In nineteen ninety

1008
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: someone probably the FBI, car bomb two Earth First activists

1009
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: in California, Judy Barry and Darryl Cherney. I'm working on

1010
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:12,560
Speaker 1: an episode about them now. They survived and they proved

1011
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: in court that the FBI had violated their civil rights

1012
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: during the investigation. In nineteen ninety eight, there was another

1013
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: Earth First activist named David Chain. His forest name was Gipsy.

1014
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: He was trying to defend old growth force in California

1015
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: from clearcutting. A logger dropped a tree on him and

1016
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: killed him. WHOA yeah, okay. No charges were ever filed

1017
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 1: against the logger. He was like, oh, it was an accident,

1018
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: but he had been like screaming threats at the activists

1019
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: shortly before it. After his death, the company was found

1020
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 1: to be logging illegally in the first place the protesters,

1021
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 1: which is what the protesters has been saying the whole time.

1022
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: Pacific Lumber lost its logging license in California, and then

1023
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: on eighteenth of January in twenty twenty three, a non

1024
00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: binary indigenous anarchist named Manuel Torts Tehran was shot by

1025
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 1: the police during a raid on a protest camp in Atlanta, Georgia,

1026
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: And this episode is dedicated to them and their memory

1027
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: and the people who are trying to fight another example

1028
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 1: of like intersectional environmental protection. They're trying to protect the

1029
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: forest in Atlanta and also stop the cops from expanding

1030
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: their capacity to Yeah, yeah, sorry, it's kind of a

1031
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 1: bummer of an episode. Man. I was so looking forward

1032
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: to today. I was like, oh, great, man, I could

1033
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,959
Speaker 1: talk about some dope stuff. They did good ship though,

1034
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: they did. They really did. They saved fucking millions of

1035
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: acres by like, yeah, just banding together and showing up

1036
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: with shotguns and being like you can't fucking do it.

1037
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so dope, and they change the conversation.

1038
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: But you picture like and it's it's a it's definitely

1039
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: like a I feel like a uniquely like Western kind

1040
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: of American sort of trope when you pitch or environmental

1041
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,680
Speaker 1: activists like you just yeah, it's like Berkeley Granola, like

1042
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 1: you picture some like you know, kind of like on

1043
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, white girl with dreadlocks. You know what I'm saying, Like, yeah,

1044
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 1: just that trope of like that that they're so far

1045
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: away from mikespe like I care about the earth, you

1046
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, But they're so far away from

1047
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: my experience and not the type of person that like, yeah,

1048
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna strap myself to a tree, like yes,

1049
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Speaker 1: you know, Like but when you have stories like this

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Speaker 1: that bring it more closer, especially as a person of color,

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00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: that bring it more close to like naham like this,

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Speaker 1: we're affected by this and we're actually involved, you know,

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Speaker 1: and especially down there in Atlanta, you know, in the

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00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,920
Speaker 1: in the whole cop you know, cop Town, like it

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 1: turned out like I didn't know, like I turned out

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00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 1: I had like homies a part of that movement down there,

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Speaker 1: Like I was like where my homeboy, like and I

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00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: never put two and two together, you know, but just

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01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: the the intersection of like you said, just the intersection

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Speaker 1: of like this this non binary person inside of Atlanta,

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01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, one of the blackest cities in America, you

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01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and like and how all that

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01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: stuff kind of work together. It's, um, it's just important

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01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: to see, you know, which was some of the drive

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01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: behind my last DP was called The Soil DP, and

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01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 1: it was about the soil being sacred, you know. And

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: then this song Forests. You know. What I'm saying is

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01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: like it's all trying to put kind of finding myself

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01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: and hopefully inviting you just sort of like city black

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Speaker 1: and brown people into this conversation that it's like it's

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 1: also a part of our our fight for freedom and equality,

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Speaker 1: you know. Yeah yeah, and like yeah, and it really

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01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: shows to me that as that movement as it just

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Speaker 1: as it gathered allies and I don't mean allies and

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01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: the like I am an ally way, but like people

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: who are throwing down together, it's like, yes, how it

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01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: gained fucking power, you know, And yes, yeah, and I've

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Speaker 1: been impressed by I've been impressed by the Atlanta stuff

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Speaker 1: um or geeze man, Yeah, fools or cheese. Yeah, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh shout out of Brazil. Yeah, fucking fighting for Sha

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Speaker 1: cherries amazing years. Yeah, that's to reduce them to Jimmy

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Speaker 1: cherry is ridiculous out there. You got anything to thank

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01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 1: market to plug here at the end. Yeah, speaking of Brazil,

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01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 1: they also grow good coffee which was indigenous and well no,

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01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: it's just been there a long time. But yeah, I

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Speaker 1: got a cold brew company called Terraform Cold Brew. It's

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Speaker 1: a canned cold brew. You can go to Terraform called

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Speaker 1: brew dot com and get you some get you some

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Speaker 1: caffeine for the weekend. It's delicious. Um. Also do a

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Speaker 1: pod on this same very network called Politics with prop Uh.

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Speaker 1: It's a fun time, man, It's like, well it's getting

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01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 1: fun because of how our new cycle has kind of

1093
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 1: like gone into absurdity, Like really, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah,

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01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,320
Speaker 1: nothing feels real. It was hard when we were talking

1095
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 1: about like you know, Yemen and like you know Ukraine

1096
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: and like African or like the Ethiopian like civil war.

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01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: It was hard. Then now we're just talking about shooting

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01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: down balloons. Yeah, Like shit is funny. You know what

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01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, this is you spent you spend it?

1100
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: They spending multiple millions of dollars scrambling jet planes for

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01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: a balloon. Yeah, like this this is funny, this high

1102
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Speaker 1: tech balloon. And the fact that you think once you

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01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: shoot the thing down and you're trying to get its material,

1104
01:02:55,720 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: like in the age of the Internet, you think they

1105
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 1: didn't already got You don't think they already got we

1106
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,439
Speaker 1: can control a rover in Mars. You think they don't

1107
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 1: already have the information they need? You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: I mean the information would be like well they're a mess.

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01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and also like yeah they look the information

1110
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Speaker 1: is they ain't got ship were good? Yeah. I think

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01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: part of the reason that people are like actually don't

1112
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 1: actually care is that I'm like, well, I don't know

1113
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Speaker 1: my government spies on me, Like if it's fine on

1114
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: us the whole time? Yeah, what you want to know?

1115
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: Open up the app? Open up my phone with my

1116
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 1: face I've gil tagged. What do you want to know?

1117
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: You already know my search injury information? What don't you

1118
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:41,000
Speaker 1: know already? Yeah? I have saved all my passwords on

1119
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: Google Chrome. What don't you know? I mean, Instagram knows

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Speaker 1: who I have a crush on before. I know Instagram here,

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Speaker 1: what are you like? Yeah? You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

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01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: they don't you're a feel They don't know, they know

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Speaker 1: your porn taste like this, Like dope, there's nothing. What

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Speaker 1: don't y'all know? Yeah? Yeah, Magpie. Don't you have a

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Speaker 1: book people can order? Oh? Yeah? My book is called

1126
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,640
Speaker 1: Escape from Insall Island. It is about people trying to

1127
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 1: escape from an island full of in cells and it's

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Speaker 1: out for real. Let's go. Yeah, Escape from Insell Island.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's fun. You can read it in an afternoon.

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Speaker 1: I write real short books most of the time, so

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Speaker 1: that was a short span. And what else? I have

1132
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Speaker 1: a podcast? No, you're listening to it? Oh? I have

1133
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: another podcast. It's called Live Like the World Is Dying.

1134
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: It's a preparedness podcast. It's trying to take preparedness away

1135
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Speaker 1: from the right wing. I really like stealing ship from

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01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 1: the right wing. It wasn't airs anyway, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying that? Yeah? Yeah, and yeah, you should check

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Speaker 1: out all the other shows on cool Zone Media based,

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Speaker 1: especially check out hood Politics and actually, if you want

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Speaker 1: to know more about tort who I dedicate this episode two.

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Speaker 1: There's um a whole bunch of If you listen to

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 1: the recent episodes of It Could Happen here, you'll hear

1143
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 1: a lot more about Stop Coop City and about the

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01:05:02,320 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 1: life of this person who died. What do you? What

1145
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: do you got, Sophie? Now you did it? Oh? Okay,

1146
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: well did all the things. I guess. We'll see you

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01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: all next week. Hi, Hi, cool people? Who Did Cool Stop?

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Speaker 1: Is a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts

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Speaker 1: on cool Zone Media, visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com,

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