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Speaker 1: All right. Fresh off a week vacation, which was a

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Speaker 1: semi vacation, I went to Montecito, which is up north

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Speaker 1: hung out with my wife for about four days. Then

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Speaker 1: we went to Chicago, where we just were, you know,

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Speaker 1: fixing a new house. As people know, I'm moving some

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Speaker 1: of my stuff there and so most people go to

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Speaker 1: Sun and Golf. I went into like twelve degrees, but

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Speaker 1: I had a great time. I went to a Sun's

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Speaker 1: Bulls game Saturday night. Met Justin Isa, the Mattasbia owns

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Speaker 1: the Phoenix Suns. Justin Justin his brother Ishbia, met him.

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Speaker 2: Really, we're trying to buy the White Sox. He's trying

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Speaker 2: to buy the White Sox, right.

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Speaker 1: I think he tried to make a run at the Twins.

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Speaker 1: I don't you know. I know he likes baseball. He's

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Speaker 1: got a minor league team in Nashville and a lot

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Speaker 1: Justinishb Be a really nice guy, invited me to a

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Speaker 1: a good time. I just I didn't go to the Sun.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that in April on a vacation. But

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Speaker 1: before we get started, the one thing I wanted to

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Speaker 1: touch on with you and I just just it's not football,

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Speaker 1: so we can ramble and talk about a bunch of stuff.

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Speaker 1: So when I was I try to kind of stay off.

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Speaker 1: I watched the Nation's for Hockey stuff. I thought that

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Speaker 1: was great. I mean NHL basically said we're gonna punt

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Speaker 1: on our All Star Game. Nobody likes any of these

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Speaker 1: All Star games except baseball. The rest of them are tanking.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try something new Finland, Sweden, Canada, US.

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Speaker 2: It was great.

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Speaker 1: It was just great hockey, really intense. But it is

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Speaker 1: interesting when you inject patriotism into any sport, curling, track

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Speaker 1: And you know Women's World Cup basically, you know every

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Speaker 1: to explode. It doesn't really happen. It's just patriotism. And

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Speaker 1: there was a lot of talk during the break that

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Speaker 1: I can't believe ESPN's letting go of baseball either can I.

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Speaker 1: But what's interesting isn't that they signed the NBA. That's

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Speaker 1: not interesting because the NBA has got iconic franchises Sixers, Celtics, Lakers, Warriors, Bulls, Knicks,

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Speaker 1: and it's got iconic stars. It's always been a star

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Speaker 1: But what's amazing is ESPN signed hockey along with TNT

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Speaker 1: to a four and a half billion dollar deal seven

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Speaker 1: years A few years ago. There is no iconic franchise

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Speaker 1: America that g walk into a mall and everybody would

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Speaker 1: freak out like a Rodness Prime or O Tawny right now,

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Speaker 1: My take is, oh, I get it. I would have

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Speaker 1: The pitch clock, defensive shift eliminated, and all the stars

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Speaker 1: and said yes to hockey. And I know hockey fan

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Speaker 2: I'll defend hockey, I be honest. I went to my

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Speaker 2: about thirty five hundred seats. Yeah, so I don't pretend

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Speaker 2: We're always We're always an underdog, how often are we

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Speaker 2: So we're an underdog in hockey against Canada way back

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Speaker 2: not watch the Diamondbacks play baseball. And they're good, but

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to turn them on my TV. Like

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Speaker 2: I don't watch any baseball anymore, and it's not because

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Speaker 2: glued during the playoffs, but I think they really struggle

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Speaker 2: You could put Jags Chargers on a playoff game and

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Speaker 2: And then you know, you talk. I don't talk basketball

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Speaker 2: I follow the Warriors pretty closely and the Luca thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And here's the thing that for all the NBA critics,

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Speaker 1: I say this, it's in bread. I mean basketball. We

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Speaker 2: Baseball is expensive. I mean yes, you talk to a

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Speaker 1: Or football where it kind of cancels out smaller kids, right,

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Speaker 1: So basketball is part of us, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's the biggest superstar in the history of

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't have kids yet, so I

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Speaker 2: can't speak for the youth, but everyone my age group

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Speaker 2: and older played baseball at one point in time. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: do think it's just lost its cultural relevancy, you know,

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Speaker 2: separate from the playoffs. You know you always talk about

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Speaker 2: college basketball is now just March madness. I think baseball

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Speaker 2: from a national perspective is basically just the playoffs now.

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Speaker 1: But think about this, Baseball runs unopposed. And if you're

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Speaker 2: So what's your take. Did you see Manfred's statement? I mean,

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Speaker 2: clearly they're angry because they turn on. No one's ever

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Speaker 1: So my take is right now because Otani's a Dodger,

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Speaker 2: Toto hit a home run and it's first at bat

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Speaker 1: And the Mets and the Padres. You have a lot

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Speaker 2: I'll say this too, that you know in this you

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Speaker 2: come to the Scottsdale area in the month of March

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Speaker 2: Florida's a little spread out right in baseball, it's all

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Speaker 2: we'll figure it out on the fly, like they understand

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Speaker 2: what they have. But I think they have some negotiating

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Speaker 2: power because, like you said, he doesn't want to leave.

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Speaker 2: Look at his options, like the Giants are the Titans

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Speaker 2: are going to trade? How are we talking about? Gross?

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Speaker 1: And I do think there's I think the Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: thing has some legs. And I'll say this, we know

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Speaker 1: that coaching matters with quarterbacks. Last ten games last year

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Speaker 1: when Solo was gone, the Jets were one of the

436
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Speaker 1: poorest coach teams in the league. They up and down

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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, and Aaron put up good numbers.

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Speaker 1: Aaron with McVeigh would put up good numbers, B plus numbers,

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Speaker 1: maybe not A numbers. So I think that's something they've

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Speaker 1: thought about. Aaron's got a place in Malibu, and it's like, hey,

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Speaker 1: if we get trapped here, we'll bring on Aaron for

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Speaker 1: a couple of year deal. Plus Aaron. From all the indications,

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Speaker 1: Aaron wanted to be a Jet and was dumped for

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Speaker 1: the second time, So I think Aaron does not want

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Speaker 1: to end his career like that. And again, I thought

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Speaker 1: in his last ten games he had like a ninety

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Speaker 1: eight passer rating he was pretty good. So my take

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Speaker 1: is Aaron, it's not a I mean I had somebody

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Speaker 1: that I really trust tell me this that Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: is who McVeigh would go after. I mean, he went

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Speaker 1: after a guy in Baker Mayfield that came with baggage.

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Speaker 1: He went after him in one second.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Carson wentz. They got off. You know, they've done

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Speaker 2: a lot of that. He has, no he's got He's

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Speaker 2: like the young version of Andy Reid. They'll take on problems.

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Speaker 2: The difference, though, is to me, there's a big difference

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Speaker 2: is the player Aaron Rodgers wants no part of getting hit.

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Speaker 2: He just will not. And that's still a quality that

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Speaker 2: Stafford will sit in there. He will get peppered as

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Speaker 2: he delivers a strike, and that you know, at the

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Speaker 2: level in which the Rams, I mean they're the only

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Speaker 2: That difference in standing in there throughout the course of

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Speaker 2: a season in the big games, I think there would

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Speaker 1: Let's just throw this name out there because the combine

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Speaker 1: starts this week and before we get into that free

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Speaker 1: agencies after that, Sam Donald had a couple of disappointing games.

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Speaker 1: End of the season. Yeah, Sam Donald a really good season.

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Speaker 1: Sam's got a market. Sam is still in the middle

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Speaker 1: of his prime. What is your I contend that Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas and with Chip Kelly and the Colts with Shane

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Speaker 1: Steiken are really good fits. Indie feels like Sam in

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Speaker 1: that division can go toe to toe with those quarterbacks.

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Speaker 1: You're not going toe to toe with a Herbert, I

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Speaker 1: don't think, or a Mahomes, But I think you put

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Speaker 1: him in the AFC South with Shane Steikin, I think

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Speaker 1: he can go toe to toe with a CJ. Stroud

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Speaker 1: on most Sundays. What do you think happens with Sam?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean a lot change. I remember going live

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Speaker 2: with you right after he made that throw against Seattle

519
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Speaker 2: and I was like, this guy, how are they gonna

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00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,919
Speaker 2: not give him a huge contract? And it shows you

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Speaker 2: the power of these prime time games. Let's face there

522
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: was a lot you know, obviously the division was on

523
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: the line that Sunday night, and then the playoff game

524
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 2: was really, really bad. I still think at minimum he's

525
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: going to get a Baker Mayfield three or one hundred

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Speaker 2: million dollars type contract with me, and clearly with good

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Speaker 2: coaching you can. I mean, his team was sixty minutes

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Speaker 2: away from the number one overall seed. He played a

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Speaker 2: massive role in that, so I think you got to

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Speaker 2: be careful. Yeah, I think that game exposed a little

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Speaker 2: bit when he starts getting blitzed, he starts you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't want to say seeing ghosts. He's come a

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Speaker 2: long way since then, but he looked dramatically different in

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Speaker 2: those two games than he did. But you'd also say

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Speaker 2: he's you know, Aaron Glenn became a head coach, one

536
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Speaker 2: of the best defensive coordinators in the league and just

537
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 2: was blitzing them every single play. And Sean McVay and

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Speaker 2: Shula are just they had that defense rolling. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they went, they were hitting Hurts, they made him look

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Speaker 2: bad in that game. They were playing good defense. So

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Speaker 2: I still would have no problem given now that here's

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Speaker 2: the thing, like, you know, these quarterbacks, the dominoes, all

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Speaker 2: these teams looking are gonna have some ranking going into

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Speaker 2: the combine. When they talked to the Age and so

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Speaker 2: it's are you all in on Sam Donald? Because if

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Speaker 2: you draft or if you sign Sam Donald to a

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Speaker 2: multi year deal, you're probably not drafting a quarterback if

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Speaker 2: you're the Giants, if you're the Titans, if you're the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: But if you take Cousins or Rogers, you know, you're

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Speaker 2: probably still have no problem drafting a quarterback really high.

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Speaker 2: So I think Donald would be the one guy that

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Speaker 2: would just get signed and immediately become, you know, kind

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Speaker 2: of not your long term starter, but at least in

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Speaker 2: the immediate next couple of year starter.

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Speaker 1: What do you expect? Combine starts on Thursday? Shador Sanders

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Speaker 1: won't work out at the combine, which has become kind

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Speaker 1: of a trend with quarterbacks. What are you expecting? What

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Speaker 1: are you looking for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? To me, Shador is a good example of like,

560
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: coming into this year, every important college director slash assistant

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Speaker 2: GM saw him play life. He was such a big

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Speaker 2: prospect coming into the season. There is not an NFL

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00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: team worth their salt, and every team, once they realized

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Speaker 2: we needed a quarterback probably saw him multiple times play game.

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00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 2: So it's the combine for him. And I'd even say

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00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: the same thing about cam Ward. Remember when he transferred

567
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: to Miami he was the number one essentially free agent

568
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Speaker 2: college football. I think it would go for him as well,

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Speaker 2: which wouldn't shock me if he doesn't throw, though, Chador

570
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: isn't you know, some elite prospect in terms of his qualities,

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Speaker 2: Like if you're Josh Allen, you should throw at the combine.

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00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 2: Why you're throwing one hundred miles an hour. I remember

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Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson when he got all the pushback about Pollan's

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Speaker 2: common about the wide Receiver's like, I'm not gonna run.

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00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 2: It's like, Lamar, You're gonna run a four to two.

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Speaker 2: Everyone's head's gonna turn and you're gonna be the talk

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Speaker 2: of the combine. It was a mistake not running. Now,

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Speaker 2: granted it all worked out. I don't blame Chador for

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00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 2: not throwing in this environment because it's not the best environment.

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Speaker 2: If I'm cam Ward, you have a huge arm throw,

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Speaker 2: I would no one cares about completions and completions you're

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00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 2: throwing people you don't know. Let that ball rip as

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Speaker 2: all the coaches and gms are sitting there in the

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Speaker 2: boxes and in the seats right there in Indy. So

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Speaker 2: I think those two guys in a huge part of

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Speaker 2: the I'm buying is the interviews and with a quarterback,

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00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 2: and I would throw Jackson Darton here, who I think

588
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 2: is going to gain some momentum as a potential first

589
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Speaker 2: round pick. Is the person like, what are you like

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Speaker 2: as a guy? I mean, last year you see some

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00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 2: of these clips, it was a pretty high level class.

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Speaker 2: You know, Jade Daniel's really high level guy. Obviously Caleb,

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00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 2: everyone had known him for years and he was a

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Speaker 2: lot to go number one. But Drake May, Michael Pennix,

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00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: I mean, the bo Nicks, JJ McCarthy. So it was

596
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Speaker 2: like they're going to crush these interviews. Coaches. This is

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00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: the first the gms and the scouts have been watching

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00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: these guys for years. The coaches, you know, NFL coaches

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00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: don't really watch as much college football as the average

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00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 2: fan would think. The head coach might have it on,

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00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: you know, Andy Reid does, but a lot of guys

602
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: are just sco tunnel vision. They don't know that much

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00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: about these players and definitely have never met him and

604
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times haven't really evaluated them. So this

605
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: is kind of their first exposure. So meeting them as

606
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: a human being and getting to know the guy and

607
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: getting to know like their football smarts and their football IQ.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge, huge moment for all the guys that

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Speaker 2: you know are in the mix to I mean, all

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Speaker 2: these guys are draft We're gonna get drafted. The majority

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Speaker 2: of the guys go to Combine, but definitely the guys

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Speaker 2: that have like the ability to get drafted in the

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Speaker 2: first round. I mean, there's just a lot of money

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Speaker 2: on the line, you know, getting drafted high.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the combine's interesting. I think I was into it

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Speaker 1: more ten years ago, and I think some coaches feel

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Speaker 1: the same way. They don't necessarily some go, some don't.

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Speaker 1: I have you been surprised as a former NFL scout,

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Speaker 1: some of these coaching staffs just don't go anymore. They

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Speaker 1: just say I'm not going. Yeah, not wasting my time.

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Speaker 1: Does that surprise you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Honestly has bothered me in the past because I go, Well,

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Speaker 2: Belichick always went, and now I'll promise you this, Andy

624
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Speaker 2: Reid's going to be there. It's like, well, if the

625
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Speaker 2: best guy's there and values it, it doesn't mean he

626
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Speaker 2: goes to everything, but he values meeting the guys because

627
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: there's one thing to evaluate them off a tape. Everything's

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Speaker 2: taped right, your workout and even your interviews, and some

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Speaker 2: of these guys now can be there in a zoom interview.

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Speaker 2: There is a big difference if you're interviewing someone to

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Speaker 2: be the thirteenth overall pick standing there and talking to

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Speaker 2: him in meeting him, seeing him face to face, than

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Speaker 2: zooming him. So I do believe you should go. I

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Speaker 2: saw my guy, Tim Kala Kami in the Bay Area.

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Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan, like McVeigh stopped going, Well, it's one thing

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Speaker 2: when you're going to the Super Bowl or the NFC

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Speaker 2: Championship every year, he reported, Kyle's probably gonna go this year.

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00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Kind of need to meet these guys. Yeah, But my

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00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: thing is like if the top coach is there and

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Speaker 2: the Sandy Reed runs the league, like you should be there.

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Speaker 2: And so I do believe there's value not in like

642
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: you're change of direction in a condra okay, but like

643
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: you might draft this guy in the second round. It's

644
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: kind of gonna be a big deal when it's like

645
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: a year in you hate the kid and it's your

646
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 2: own fault when you didn't put in max effort to

647
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 2: get to know him, to get to meet him every opportunity.

648
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point in time, the salary CAP's

649
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 2: almost three hundred million dollars. It's pretty big business. Yeah,

650
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: you know, these are your most important assets. So I

651
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 2: do think the value is more less about the running

652
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: and catching the gauntlet drill and more just sitting with

653
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: the kid and interviewing him and being there with your coordinators.

654
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 2: Not every coach needs to go. But to me, the

655
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: head coach and the coordinators should all be present with

656
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Speaker 2: the with the scouting staff.

657
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Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting. There's going to be you can

658
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 1: go back to last year's draft, the year before. There

659
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: are certain things that are just innate. They're true. You

660
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,479
Speaker 1: can't argue them. There's going to be a couple players

661
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: in the top fifteen that will be busts. They just

662
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: won't be very good, and for a variety of issues.

663
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Some I mean, Romadonze is talented, he wasn't as good

664
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Speaker 1: as I thought as a rookie. I think he'll I

665
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Speaker 1: mean I thought that'd be more splash, but I think

666
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of it was. It was such a mess,

667
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, it was all a mess, and I think

668
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: he'll bounce back. I'm gonna throw Travis Hunter out as

669
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: a player that could be that could underachieve. So I

670
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 1: don't doubt he's good enough to be a number two

671
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL and a number one corner, no

672
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: doubt either. But to ask to be both, I mean,

673
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: if you had a great linebacker who also played tight end,

674
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: it's undeniable that the physical toll would hurt what you're

675
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Speaker 1: best at. I would put him at corner but he

676
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 1: wants to be a receiver. I don't know if he's

677
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: a number one receiver in the NFL. Maybe on a

678
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: weaker team. He's certainly good enough. But you can't be

679
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: a number one receiver if you have a young quarterback

680
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: who's trying to get reps. Confidence in timing. It's a

681
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: timing position. Running Back isn't Cornerback isn't You can I

682
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: mean high school to college, college of the pros. Running

683
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: back in cornerback, you can walk in and just play.

684
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: You could just I mean, those are two positions. I've

685
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: been told this forever. You would know this as a scout.

686
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: Running back in cornerback, you could miss some of camp,

687
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 1: you could be a you could have a contract hold out.

688
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 1: You're ready to play week one or week two.

689
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: Well, it's a very instinctive position.

690
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: Yet both of them wide receiver, especially with a young quarterback.

691
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: What's a timing position help? Brady was an old cornerback.

692
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 1: If he didn't trust you'd be in the right spot,

693
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: Tom would ghost you. I think Travis Hunter, I think

694
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: this coming to a bad team, he'll have a lot

695
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: of leverage. He'll play both ways. I could see that

696
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 1: being a problem.

697
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: Well, you know, and we'll find out it was just

698
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: a name on a paper. Did announce he's going to

699
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: the combine as a corner. Now all the top guys

700
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,719
Speaker 2: will be interviewed they go to the podium. It'll be

701
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 2: interesting if he says, I'm here as a corner, but

702
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: I also plan on playing wide receiver. I do think

703
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 2: it's fair to say most high level people in any

704
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: industry are very singular focused, and it is very difficult

705
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 2: to spread yourself thin, especially when your factory in youth.

706
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: I mean he's very young. I think it's impossible to

707
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: go do what he did. What he did in college

708
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: was the Big twelve, wasn't the SEC or the Big ten,

709
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 2: but it was still one of the greatest athletic achievements

710
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: we've ever seen. The amount of snaps he's playing to

711
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 2: you agree with, Oh yeah, but if you're going to

712
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: be a both way corner wide receiver just playing corner alone,

713
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 2: think of the wide receivers right now in the NFL.

714
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: The talent on a weekly basis of just pick up

715
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 2: a random team who their schedule is on a week

716
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: you're chasing those guys for sixty seventy snaps. He would

717
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: be the number one corner, and then you would try

718
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: to play full time wide receiver. I think it would

719
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 2: be borderline impossible on the body. I don't think it's

720
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 2: And you go back to look at Deon Sanders. I

721
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: don't even think he had that many catches in his career.

722
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: And this is and Dion, I mean, was just a

723
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 2: better prospect. Yeah, I mean, Tary Sound is a great prospect.

724
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: Give me a break. Deon's one of the greast athletes

725
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: in the history of America, right So, I do think

726
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 2: he just needs to focus on one of the positions,

727
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 2: and I hope and I think he's making the right

728
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: decision right now at corner, and then he can be

729
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: at just a high level corner. I don't think it's

730
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 2: possible to go both ways. I don't think any team

731
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: wants him to be. That doesn't mean you can't, you know,

732
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson type coordinator, can't run a trick player for him,

733
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 2: bring him in on offense. They used to do that

734
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 2: with Dion when I was a kid. But like, I

735
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,640
Speaker 2: want you to be a lockdown corner, Derek Stingley, He's

736
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: probably gonna get a hundred million dollars offseason. Why because

737
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 2: he goes up against your number one wide receiver who

738
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 2: are all making one hundred and eighty million dollars and

739
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 2: locks him down. Derevas did it, Sherman did it? You

740
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: get paid a lot of money, and he's it's more

741
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 2: valuable because harder to find. It's much easier to find

742
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: a wide receiver than it is a corner. There just

743
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: aren't that many. Most teams don't have one good corner, right.

744
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: The teams that have two are like complete outliers in

745
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 2: the national yets. Yeah, so I hope he stays just

746
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: at one. Now we'll see. I think, you know, Dion,

747
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 2: who's essentially like feels like his father, constantly talks like

748
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: he's going to do both ways, like, so he's not

749
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: slowing it down. And I do think Dion speaks for

750
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: Travis a little bit, and Travis hasn't walked away from it.

751
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 2: So I do think it's going to be interesting to

752
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 2: see in Indy when he talks exactly what he says,

753
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 2: because if he does say like I plan on doing both,

754
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: like he's telling you, like eventually you got to just

755
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 2: listen to what he's saying and believe him.

756
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: Well, and the other thing, because I mean we'll talk

757
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: through free agency and the combine and the draft, and

758
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I'll do some basketball pods as well. But the other

759
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: thing that is, and we talked a little bit a

760
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: bit about this last time. I can't tell you the

761
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: last time a player as good as Miles Garrett was

762
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: on the market. I don't even I mean, I'm dead serious.

763
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 1: This feels so Buffalo or Green Bay. I saw something

764
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: during the break I was on my phone and I

765
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 1: tried to stay off it, but Warren Sharp, who does

766
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: a lot of NFL stuff, had this breakdown of Josh

767
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,319
Speaker 1: Allen over the last several years, and it is a

768
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: crime he hasn't been into a super Bowl. He is

769
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: number one in so many different analytic categories that it's

770
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 1: a crime that he's not getting the super Bowls. And

771
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: so I do think you can keep running it back

772
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: with Sean m McDermott. But you're getting to a point

773
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: now you're like, Okay, he's going to be coming out

774
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: of his prime in about three years, Like you got

775
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: to get him to super bowls. Look at that, And

776
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: I think to myself, Von Miller's getting older, what would

777
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 1: you give up? And I know it's a non quarterback,

778
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: but I got to tell you I would have absolutely

779
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 1: no problem because I think they've got most of their

780
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: offensive pieces in check and they've drafted well on that side.

781
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Do you give up two ones?

782
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 2: Is he that?

783
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that today on the flight. I'm like,

784
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: I think it's the only defensive player outside of Aaron

785
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: Donald in his prime that I would give up too.

786
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 2: I think they are the team you could throw potentially

787
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: the Lions, but they got Hutchinson coming back of Like

788
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: you're right there on the doorstep. You have played the Chiefs.

789
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: You're the only team in the AFC that's like go.

790
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: They could have beat him every time they played him,

791
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 2: but they beat him in the regular season. So it's

792
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: like you are a player or two away. And I

793
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,959
Speaker 2: remember when they paid von Miller all that money felt

794
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: like a little desperate, risky and that blew up in

795
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: their face.

796
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: He just he just was, this doesn't ram this late,

797
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: it perfect, this doesn't feel Yeah they did. It was

798
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: the classic. You know, Andy Reid, somebody comes in plays

799
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: well with Mahomes. Let him go that Von Miller felt overpaid.

800
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: Miles Garrett is on a short list. I mean he's

801
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 1: kind of entering into a Donald Lawrence Taylor. He may

802
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 1: not be there yet, but Jesus, he's close.

803
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: I think I've told you this before. I you know,

804
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: looking back back at historical comps, I think Reggie White

805
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: who went to the Packers, that's thirty two, you know,

806
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 2: in Reggie Miles is younger. You know, Miles is I

807
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: think twenty nine years old. But still, anytime you are

808
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 2: trading that much to give a guy a third contract,

809
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, this would be his third contract. And I

810
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: don't blame the Browns like I would keep hanging up,

811
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: but I think you could get a pretty historic call

812
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: for a guy twenty nine thirty years old. And the

813
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: other thing is you got to look at his body type.

814
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 2: It's gonna age well. I mean, he's just a complete

815
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: freaking nature, you know, unlike you know, somebody Lawrence Talor.

816
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there are any questions off the field.

817
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: No one's ever questioned like his his being in shape

818
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: or I mean every time you see him that basketball

819
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: highlight he had years ago, he looked like an NBA player.

820
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he like jumps out of pools from the

821
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 2: deep end. I just wonder, you know, the Browns are

822
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 2: in a weird spot right now. They're just got the

823
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 2: you got the Watson kind of contract anchoring the franchise,

824
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 2: you're drafting two overall, your star player wants out. I

825
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: do think it's the right time to just blow it up.

826
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 2: But let's face it that their owner Can has proven

827
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of you know, kind of

828
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 2: a kook sometimes with the way he operates, and he

829
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 2: gets really involved because they do have you know, their

830
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 2: GM smart. He's a Roseman guy. I think we both

831
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: agree Stefanski's pretty high level, good coach. But I think

832
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: anything's possible anytime you get the Browns. They even said,

833
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: like I do think they will throw here's one hundred

834
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 2: and fifty million dollars, And it's one thing to say, hey,

835
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: I want to trade, I want out. And if someone

836
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 2: puts one hundred and fifty million dollars guaranteed run of

837
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, like, would he resign with the Browns? Is

838
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: this a money play? When I've seen the clips of

839
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,720
Speaker 2: him talking to Super Bowl, it actually felt pretty measured,

840
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: like I actually don't think this is really He's already

841
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 2: super rich, Like this is about like we ain't winning here,

842
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: especially in this division against Burrow and Lamar, we have

843
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: no chance. So get me the hell out of here.

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853
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Speaker 1: I was thinking about this the way, and your life

854
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: is probably a lot like this. You also do a

855
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: golf pod, but for six months of the year, I

856
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 1: don't take any time off. I work every day, even

857
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. After Thanksgiving there's tons of football games on.

858
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: I've got a notepad and I write no so and

859
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: I know it's not ditch digging. I'm not saying that.

860
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: But I work every day for six months and then

861
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I take seven weeks off over the next six months

862
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 1: until Labor Day. Right, And I was thinking about this,

863
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: and I was as I was flying from Chicago to

864
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: La this afternoon. I thought about you in this question.

865
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: So I don't watch Netflix or anything outside of sports

866
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: from Labor Day weekend until the end of football, and

867
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 1: then I take a week off like I just did,

868
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: and then for about six months now, I watch a

869
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of Netflix, Apple TV, Amazon Prime, whatever it is,

870
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: I'll watch series. So I watched Zero Day with Robert

871
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: de Niro. It's okay. I thought de Niro was really good.

872
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I thought the acting was good, the plot was a little.

873
00:42:59,520 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 2: It kicked.

874
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. It's again. The acting is really good

875
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,799
Speaker 1: and it plays. You can watch it. So I like

876
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: six episodes. But I was sitting there and I'm thinking

877
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: to myself. One of the reasons, and I really think

878
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: this is happening, is that events are still working. March

879
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: Madness still kicks, ass gets a rating. College football games,

880
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: NFL games, World Cup, Olympics, UFC all still get great numbers.

881
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: Anything Monday through Friday. Baseball, NBA, hockey, MLS really struggling.

882
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting there watching Zero Day. I watched it

883
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: over the course of two or three days with my wife.

884
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: She didn't like it as much as me, and it was,

885
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: you know, it was stuff was blown up. It was government,

886
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: it was politics, it was DeNiro. I was all in

887
00:43:54,719 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: and I was thinking about this that hockey, baseball, basketball,

888
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 1: mls are all struggling Monday through Friday because they're not events.

889
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 1: And what's happened is My take is once football ends

890
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: our nation, its favorite sport for six months is Netflix,

891
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: and that they'll come in for an NBA final or

892
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 1: a World Cup or an Olympics. But football and college football,

893
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: but mostly the NFL, it is a six month event.

894
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: Those Sundays and Saturdays, those are events. You go to them,

895
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: you watch them, your friends watch them. Netflix doesn't do

896
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: a lot of production during that time, knowing why release

897
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: new stuff. Guys are checked out for six months. But

898
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: I was sitting there watching in baseball's regular season, basketball, hockey,

899
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,959
Speaker 1: Hockey's having a horrible regular season ratings. And my take

900
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: is because they're competing with now the biggest offseason sport,

901
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: which is Netflix. Streaming has gobbled up post football to

902
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 1: Labor Day. A lot of these numbers. Now, I'm saying

903
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: that because I'm a sportscaster and I have to watch sports.

904
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: But man, when I got a week off, and if

905
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: I wasn't a sportscaster. Bro, I'm on streaming just I

906
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: am on streaming with my wife watching shows.

907
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 2: Well, let's use me as an example. I couldn't have

908
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: been a bigger sports fan as a kid, through college

909
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 2: and even when I got worked in the NFL. I

910
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 2: love baseball, love basketball. But as this podcast has taken

911
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: off and we've had success and we're just football is

912
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: just kind of takes up my life. Yes, I don't

913
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: want if I watched the baseball playoffs. I'm not going

914
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: to talk about it, but I know it's big culturally.

915
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: Other people are talking and I want to watch it.

916
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 2: It's fun, but I know the other games. Why would

917
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: I watch when I don't have to and no one

918
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 2: else I feel is the matter?

919
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,400
Speaker 1: And you sacrifice your life with your soon to be

920
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: wife for six months. You sacrifice your.

921
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 2: Life so we don't have Thursdays, Saturday, Sundays, Sunday nights,

922
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: Monday nights. So even during the season, or I mean,

923
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 2: you know during September and October you got to give

924
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 2: up Tuesdays and Wednesdays, right, you know Fridays you can't

925
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: just watch like Lakers Kings in late October when it's like,

926
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: what are you talking about this now, I just want

927
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: to watch it. You know, I got a I got

928
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars on Deer and Foxes over under here

929
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: you know doesn't fly, and it was much easier to

930
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: do that when I was younger. I also think, you

931
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: just bring up Netflix. I saw orright, I heard on

932
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 2: a podcast that YouTube where it's consumed the most is

933
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 2: not on a phone or an iPad. It's actually on televisions.

934
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: And that's obviously the youth. Right, that's a lot of

935
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: younger people watch YouTube ontel. I don't view it like

936
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 2: an app like I do Netflix or Amazon Prime. But

937
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 2: people under twenty five do. Yeah, and in ten years

938
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 2: those people are going to be thirty years old. And

939
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: it's just the options we have to watch TV. I

940
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: think about when you know, forever, just basic cable, you

941
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: would if nothing was on TV, you just scroll around,

942
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 2: You dead up on random movies. You just watch Saving

943
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 2: Private Ryan because it was on TBS. You never scroll anymore. Right,

944
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: it doesn't even really exist. I don't even have I

945
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 2: talk about television sports for a living. I don't have

946
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: a cable box in my house. I have YouTube TV.

947
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't even exist right now. Granted, I go to

948
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 2: YouTube TV at Fox Sports one at nine o'clock in

949
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: the morning, you come up, or CNBC or whatever, so

950
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 2: it's I still have television, but it's completely different than

951
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: just five years ago. I also think I've had this theory.

952
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: You know, for a long time, we thought the NFL

953
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: was playing those London games to move the Jags to London, right,

954
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,720
Speaker 2: which clearly is not true. Because he just spent hundreds

955
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars. They're gonna stay in Jacksonville at least,

956
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 2: that's what you know. He's invested a bunch of money there,

957
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 2: what I think, and maybe once upon a time that

958
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: was the goal. I think what they've realized the last

959
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: three or four years. They just announce another Brazil game

960
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: going to Germany. Well, where's Netflix's audience worldwide? So I

961
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: can sell the Netflix in four years when I opt

962
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 2: out of this thing. I'm not just getting John in

963
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 2: Arizona or Collins Chicago, or Bill in Tampa Bay. I'm

964
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 2: getting James on an Air Force base in Germany, or

965
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: Craig in Australia, or you know some dude in Brazil

966
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: that likes football. So my numbers, I'm not just beholden

967
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 2: to the American market, Yeah, which crushes in football. I'm worldwide, baby,

968
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: and I can't obviously through you and through the platform

969
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 2: that you have given me the amount of people listening

970
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: to me that are like, Hey, I'm from Australia, I

971
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: got a question about the Cowboys, or Hey I'm from Germany.

972
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Niner guy. I mean this is it's

973
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 2: not a worldwide sport like soccer. But in terms of

974
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 2: the way Netflix, once they get involved with the NFL,

975
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 2: it won't just be people in the States consuming the

976
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: products and they just saw it. Now. It's different than

977
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson Jake Paul Thing, but that got one hundred

978
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: million people worldwide. So I think the NFL is pivoted

979
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 2: to these international games to grow the audience to sell

980
00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: to the streamers. What do you think about that?

981
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: I think you're I think you're right on the money.

982
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's interesting.

983
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 2: Why would they be playing in Brazil? Again, what's the point.

984
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: Well, but I also think broadcast networks are attracted. For instance,

985
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 1: when Netflix had their football game, CBS produced it. So

986
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: the Netflix, I still don't love Amazon's production as much

987
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: as I do Fox or CBS or or ABC.

988
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: I like that. I think Fox is the I'm an

989
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 2: NFC guy. I think Fox is the best.

990
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I've I've worked at I've worked for NBC,

991
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I've worked for ESBN, ABC, I've worked for Fox. I

992
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: think Fox's production is great. Now. I do think NBC

993
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: is magical on the Olympics and deserves all the love.

994
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 1: I but I think I think if I was Netflix,

995
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I don't want to create a sports division. All use

996
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: Fox or CBS. I'll use their production people. I just

997
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 1: want to buy the rights, stream it and get eyeballs,

998
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: and then then I'll pay for it to be produced

999
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: instead of creating one hundred person remote unit or bidding

1000
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: for rights for the entire package. I'll take six games

1001
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: a year and I'll just use somebody else's production because

1002
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 1: I think that's what networks provide. And I don't think

1003
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: Netflix and Amazon are as good in my because I've

1004
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: known people that have moved to Amazon. I think Amazon

1005
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 1: does retail exceptionally well. I think they've been clunky at

1006
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,960
Speaker 1: The Washington Post. I think they've been clunky at Whole Foods.

1007
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: I don't think Whole Foods is nearly as good as

1008
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: it was before Amazon bought it.

1009
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: I don't an Amazon drop off. That's what I viewed as. Yeah,

1010
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: I mean, if your stuff, I just.

1011
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: Don't go to it anymore. So I think Amazon does

1012
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 1: retail exceptionally well. They're getting their feet wet in sports,

1013
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: but I think they have a long way to go

1014
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: to be as good as CBS, Fox or ABC.

1015
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 2: Well, what I think is going to happen is and

1016
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 2: Goodell has already hinted at this is which I'm not

1017
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:49,959
Speaker 2: a huge fan of. And luckily most of these games

1018
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: are relevant. You live on the West Coast. When they

1019
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: play that international morning game sometimes six thirty in the morning,

1020
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:56,800
Speaker 2: it's like I got to get up to watch Titans

1021
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 2: Jags here at six am. But they're gonna have And

1022
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 2: Goodell's not just hinted at this, He's kind of talked

1023
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: about we plan on having potentially a whole slate, you know,

1024
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: not eight games, but like fifteen. We couldn't you sell

1025
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 2: that as a package like Amazon Prime Boom to Netflix.

1026
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: They're all over at the International you know, all over

1027
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: the world. Every single morning. Starting week two, there is

1028
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: a six thirty am Pacific Standard time game and Netflix

1029
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,759
Speaker 2: pays like Amazon out of the blue. These games would

1030
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: have existed anyway at like Fox or CBS, you know,

1031
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: with the eleven other ones in the morning slate. You

1032
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: just put it as a it's not a primetime game,

1033
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: but it's in its solo slate. It's not competing against anybody,

1034
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: and you sell it for whatever, I don't know, two

1035
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: billion a year, Yeah, right, because wouldn't you say that

1036
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,800
Speaker 2: Thursday night football the next go round, Amazon or Netflix

1037
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 2: is going to pay more than they're paying now. Yeah,

1038
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: once they're proving they get fifteen million people to watch

1039
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,399
Speaker 2: it every single Thursday night.

1040
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I not just because I work

1041
00:51:55,239 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: at Fox. I like I like broadcast quality production on

1042
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: my football games. I think they're really really good at it.

1043
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 1: And yeah, I don't think the streamers are there yet.

1044
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: I thought the Paul Tyson fiasco.

1045
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 2: It didn't work.

1046
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: It was a mess. It was embarrassing everything, the production,

1047
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: the fight, the marketing, none of it worked for me.

1048
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: I thought it was bad. So and again, I'm a

1049
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: devoted Netflix washer, but there are things, you know, I've

1050
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: always been a believer r years and years ago, you know,

1051
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 1: when sports gambling became big. You know, Supreme Court rules

1052
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: in favor of it, and you know, there was a

1053
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: lot of money being thrown around. And I had talked

1054
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: to a couple of the bigger players, and my take

1055
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: was always, I like doing business because I bet on sports,

1056
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: but I didn't want gambling companies to be my boss.

1057
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: I wanted broadcasters to be my boss, because I'm a

1058
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: broadcaster and if I was, if I was a podcaster,

1059
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 1: that's why the volume we do podcasts, digital media, that's

1060
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: our specialty. And so I think Netflix does documentaries and

1061
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: true crime and movies, and I don't think sports is

1062
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 1: their go to. And the idea that hey, we've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of money, let's just throw it at sports. Now,

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00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: I think Amazon's gotten much much better on Thursday Night football,

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00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: but they still don't feel to me as good as

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Speaker 1: the networks. And you know, they have more money than

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00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: the networks, So it's not like a resources issue. It's

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00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: a they don't quite have as good a feel for

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00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: it right now. And so this idea that Netflix, I mean,

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00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: I I've watched the Netflix sports. They don't have a

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00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: feel for it. And they're content people. Amazon's a retail giant.

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00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: I mean that go look at the Washington Post fiasco,

1073
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: that's a mess. The grocery store stuff, it's not very good.

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00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: So I am a loyal too. And I also like, honestly,

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00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: how much do we ask fans to chase around games?

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00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: Can you just put them on the ten o'clock one

1077
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: o'clock window West coast or East coast it's one and four.

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean you're getting to a point where these fans now,

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00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: I mean sometimes with Baseball, Roku, Apple, Fox guys, you're

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00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 1: making it hard for fans.

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00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: Well, I think Fox and CBS have been the only

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00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 2: two networks that have just all the games they've had

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00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: have just been on Fox and CBS. I mean ESPN

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00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: put one on ESPN Plus last year. Obviously the Peacock thing,

1085
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: which again I I understand, like, is NBC gonna survive? Right?

1086
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: It is out for Peacock. You a big picture, right,

1087
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: I mean that's that's you know, CBS and Fox have

1088
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 2: been such stalwarts with the NFL from the for so long.

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00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 2: I mean they have just been hand in hand and

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00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 2: there's some loyalty. I mean, the NFL is not like

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00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: many industries where it's you know, management things constantly. The

1092
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: same families have owned these businesses forever every once in

1093
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: a while they get a new owner. But the Jones family,

1094
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: the Hunt family, the Davis family, you just go around

1095
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: like the Bardelo Yorks, I mean the same people, the

1096
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 2: Spanos family. These people have been in for decades, the

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00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,839
Speaker 2: crafts and all their kids are going to get it.

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00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 2: So I just believe that they look at you know,

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00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 2: they just create something out of nothing and be like, oh,

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00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: here's an international slate. Here's two billion dollars of games

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00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 2: that we were going to throw that you and I

1102
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,320
Speaker 2: would have had on a little box on Sunday ticket

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00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 2: not even paid attention to. And they'll get two billion

1104
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 2: dollars for it. Now. Can this maintain forever? I don't

1105
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,479
Speaker 2: know how long football will dominate, but it does feel

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00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: like they're really in the peak of their business.

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00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 1: Powers right now, right yeah, But you know it's not

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00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 1: even a loyalty thing. I I like to be in

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00:55:46,719 --> 00:55:49,839
Speaker 1: business with people who are proficient at what they do,

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: Like you're really good at football, right, like I you know,

1111
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: just speaking about the volume, you know, we hire people

1112
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: who are YouTube specialists to handle our YouTube business, like

1113
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: we hire really good podcasters to do podcasts. This idea

1114
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: that you know, streamers come in and they've got a

1115
00:56:11,560 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 1: feel for I mean, Apple's baseball was awful. I try

1116
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: to watch it was it was awful, And I'm not

1117
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,239
Speaker 1: disparaging any individual.

1118
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: It just was bad.

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00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 1: Roku not good enough. So I'm sorry when I when

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00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,439
Speaker 1: I watched the networks do sports like for A prime

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00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: example of this is the NBA deal and and ESPN,

1122
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: you know, maintains its rights and they'll do fine. And

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Speaker 1: I don't love everything about their coverage, but it's consistent.

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00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: Amazon and NBC take big stabs at it, and my

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00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: guess is it's gonna be it's gonna take Amazon and

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00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: NBC two to three years in this deal to figure

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00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: it out minimum.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm with you there, are.

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,240
Speaker 1: You gonna Are you gonna go to Amazon to watch NBA?

1130
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 2: I'm not No, No, I mean Colin, I don't go

1131
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: to ABC to watch NBA. I mean the Warriors play

1132
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: the MAVs. I watched probably ten minutes today, So no, no,

1133
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 2: But as anyone, that's the thing that's that is where

1134
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 2: football and its value is so strong, Like it's proven

1135
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 2: they can throw random game on peacock and twenty million

1136
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 2: people be pissed off and tweeted about it. But they'll

1137
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 2: still watch. I think you throw baseball and you throw

1138
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 2: basketball behind some of these paywalls a little different animal. Listen,

1139
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 2: I got involved with the athletic right when it started.

1140
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 2: There were some people that drew a lot of revenue.

1141
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 2: Our guy Ethan Strauss, he's a cash cow. You put

1142
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: him mind it. People will come a lot of people.

1143
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: And these people were businessmen beside it. So you're getting

1144
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: no subscriptions here and we're paying you four hundred thousand dollars.

1145
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 2: It was very black and white. I think baseball, like

1146
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 2: in basketball, it's gonna be very eye opening, Like how

1147
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: many people just watch this game? How many people just

1148
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 2: watched the Bulls played the Magic two hundred thousand people

1149
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,160
Speaker 2: watch this game? I mean you know, I mean there

1150
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 2: are not you can tell me. They dominate on social media.

1151
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 2: They are not gonna go watch regular season random games

1152
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 2: with a lot of these brands. Even if you put

1153
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: if I just put Lakers, just pick a random upon

1154
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 2: like Lakers Atlanta Hawks on a streaming service next week,

1155
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 2: relative to what it would be on ESPN or ABC

1156
00:58:21,320 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 2: behind a street, it would get cut. I think it

1157
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 2: would be twenty percent of that number if it would

1158
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: be tiny. Yeah, don't you agree there?

1159
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's very difficult. I think I saw

1160
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: the NBA wanted to do what the NFL did divvy

1161
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: it up, and it's smart business by them. But I'm

1162
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 1: just telling you, I'm gonna stay watching NBA on the

1163
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 1: network I've been watching the NBA. That will be ESPN

1164
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: and ABC is where I will watch a majority of

1165
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 1: my NBA. Now, NFL or College Football World Cup all

1166
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: go anywhere. UFC. I buy the cards. I go to

1167
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: four or five. We should go to one.

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 2: By the way.

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00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,440
Speaker 1: I go to four or five UFC fights during during

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00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 1: the summer. Oh, there's so much fun, and then I

1171
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: buy three or four. So I would say about thirty

1172
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 1: to fifty percent of the time I'm watching the UFC fights.

1173
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: So that gets me behind a paywall. NFL, major college football.

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,160
Speaker 1: There are some things I would pay for. I mean,

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00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 1: Dodger Yankee World Series. I'm gonna pay for that and

1176
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 1: watch that. But if you think regular season NBA, I'm

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00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,800
Speaker 1: going to a streamer, You're out of your mind.

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00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 2: And that's where Amazon aren't they playing a different game?

1179
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: Like ultimately, Netflix wants me to stay and watch other shows.

1180
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: Amazon wants me to order like Maria yelling at me,

1181
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 2: we need protein bars. Boom, one button. We had protein

1182
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 2: bars delivered ten minutes later, right, or we need laundry

1183
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 2: detergent like. Their business is completely different than a lot

1184
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 2: of these other streamers that are just the media entity.

1185
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: There's are hosting data, you know, retail business delivering, and

1186
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 2: they are. It is really incredible what they you can

1187
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 2: press the button have something.

1188
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: To Amazon is the most I mean, let's in my life.

1189
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 2: I hate I hate going to the store, and they

1190
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: have enabled me to never really have to go through.

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01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: Amazon is maybe the only company in my life every

1192
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: single family member uses. My sister lives really, my wife's

1193
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:15,160
Speaker 1: in Chicago, I'll be there soon. Sun's up in Oregon.

1194
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: It's the only company in my life. I mean, Microsoft

1195
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 1: is a big deal Intel, you know, I'm trying to

1196
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: think of anything comparable everybody. So Amazon is a retail giant.

1197
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: They're not a content company. Now they're pivoting to that.

1198
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: So Netflix, you would think, because they're a content company,

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01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: would be it would be a much easier pivot to

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01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: do sports content. But I'm telling you, some of their

1201
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: early stuff has just not worked for me at all.

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01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: And I say that as a devoted Netflix consumer.

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01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they're not really in the live business.

1204
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: All their stuff is pre taped movies and shows. Correct. Yes,

1205
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: So it's just people in Hollywood or wherever producing this stuff.

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: I just think we're they they're you know, Netflix, their money,

1207
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,720
Speaker 2: and they're clearly dipping their toe in with the Christmas

1208
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: game is going to continue. I do think it's it's

1209
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 2: inevitable that they get just that morning package, yes, and

1210
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 2: just a number that everyone's he just paid what for

1211
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 2: six thirty am games.

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Speaker 1: I'll watch them, though, to be honest with you, I'll

1213
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: watch them. I know it's sad, all right. John Middlicoff

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Speaker 1: knocked out an hour former NFL Scout three and out podcast.

1215
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: Good to be back. We'll talk soon.

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Speaker 2: Take it easy coin the volume.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've set it before. Fubo is one of my

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Speaker 1: favorite ways to watch sports, College basketball, NBA. It doesn't

1219
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: matter what the sport is. Fubo TV delivers. I watch

1220
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Speaker 1: it constantly on airplanes. If I'm in my car and

1221
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Speaker 1: I'm driving and I want to stay up to date

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Speaker 1: in the game. FuboTV dot Com slash Colin you will

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Speaker 1: and The Masters is going to be on it. Made

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Speaker 1: Dirty Baseball is going to be on it. It's just

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01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: in my life. I can't always be in front of

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Speaker 1: a TV, but I want to stay up to date

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