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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, Bobby here, thank you for subscribing to The

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Speaker 1: Bobby Cast. You know, because Dan and Shay put out

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Speaker 1: their new album, I wanted to play an interview with

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Speaker 1: each of these guys. I mean even this was done

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Speaker 1: way back in the day, but it's kind of each

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Speaker 1: of their origin stories and the origin story with Dan

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Speaker 1: and Shay as a group. Up first is Dan. You know,

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Speaker 1: Dan is the producer of the band Big Songwriter, Big Reason.

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Speaker 1: You know, he's he's kind of making the band happen

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Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And so we talked about

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Speaker 1: his pop punk days, how they would get by being

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Speaker 1: extremely broke, how they decided on a name, and a

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Speaker 1: whole lot more. Here you go. This is from three

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Speaker 1: years ago. This is very behind the scenes, old school

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Speaker 1: origin story of Dan and Shay episode the Bobby Cast

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Speaker 1: with Dan Smires of Dan and Shay. Al Right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to episode of the Bobby Cast with Dan Smiers of

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Speaker 1: Dan and Shay. Do you feel like I guess the

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Speaker 1: question I always wondered is do you feel like you've

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Speaker 1: lost some of your identity because you're always known as

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Speaker 1: one of the two people. I do lose my last

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Speaker 1: name a little bit. It's Dan of Dan and Shay

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean because I never say is

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Speaker 1: that even how you I've never even talked to you

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Speaker 1: as Dan Smiers, is that even how you say that?

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Speaker 1: This is the first time I like it. It's nice.

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Speaker 1: It is how I say it officially, you knowed it.

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Speaker 1: Usually it's like Smears or Dan s Myers or Dance Myers.

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Speaker 1: I've had people be like, oh, Dance Myers d n C.

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Speaker 1: Meyers school, because you were Dan when you moved down here.

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Speaker 1: You weren't Dan, and Jay I was. I was. I

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Speaker 1: was like the really poor guy who couldn't afford to

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Speaker 1: pay his rent. Dan. It was. It was rough times

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Speaker 1: for a while. That's gotta be frustrating to be one

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Speaker 1: and awesome because there are times two where you can

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Speaker 1: lean on someone and it goes back and forth. But

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Speaker 1: to be because you're you're a real life human, Like

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Speaker 1: when you prick you you bleed. I exist, I'm here,

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Speaker 1: I'm rocking. I was late, I was a few minutes. Like,

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Speaker 1: it's traffic, traffic, traffic gets me. Yeah, but it's ice,

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Speaker 1: it's traffic. It's you just can't win. It's Tennessee, where

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Speaker 1: we're not used to this I'm also not good at

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Speaker 1: preparing either, so I'll you know, see, it's as like

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Speaker 1: traffic is light, eleven minutes is your time, and I'll

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Speaker 1: leave eleven minutes before I belave. That would drive me crazy.

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Speaker 1: If it says eleven minutes, I'll leave twenty one minutes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and prepared. That's why you're more successful than I am.

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Speaker 1: That's not true. My hill, though, to get up here

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Speaker 1: is just treacherous and steep. I was wondering was it

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Speaker 1: bad the last few days terrible? I couldn't. Luckily, I

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Speaker 1: I've never driven anything for will drive in my life.

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Speaker 1: So I bought the jeep because I have this humongous

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Speaker 1: story ever. But in my heart, it feels good to

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Speaker 1: I was like, okay, good, good, good, good hard and

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Speaker 1: then I put it in four well drive and just

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Speaker 1: It was good man. I loved it. And then um,

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Speaker 1: ever been in a wreck. I have. I broke my

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Speaker 1: you know the turnaround down by the convention center. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's a that's the round the circle. Yeah, you're round about.

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Speaker 1: It was ridiculous. I was coming around the thing and

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Speaker 1: I it was I'd still be driving my car. I

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Speaker 1: and it was kind of like a blessing in disguise.

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Speaker 1: I had never on stage dropped the guitar before. I

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Speaker 1: was always like the guy who strump's underwhelming guitar chords

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Speaker 1: on stage. But we were on an acoustic tour. We

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Speaker 1: around with a big cast on and we're like, this

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Speaker 1: is kind of cool, Like we can entertain twice the

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Speaker 1: Mike m M. And that, by the way, that guitar

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Speaker 1: It is exactly. It was right before cream and then

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Speaker 1: She got into a wreck today. Someone pulled out in

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Speaker 1: They pull out. There was no ice on the road.

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Speaker 1: nailed each other. That's brutal. And so she all right,

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Speaker 1: I just hurt. They're still recording up there. I just

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Speaker 1: a suv. It's completely smushed. It's crazy when you see

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Speaker 1: metal like that go and bend in ways that metal

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Speaker 1: And also was it I don't know. Yeah, somewhere there

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Speaker 1: They are bad drivers everywhere, it's true, but here is

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Speaker 1: You've got a ticket. My parents or somebody must be

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Speaker 1: be looking for me. Yeah, I feel like calling one

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Speaker 1: want to check this out. Passion for Lacroix he's just

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Speaker 1: guess I'm interested in a lot of this stuff that

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Speaker 1: a We're gonna listen as Dan of Dan and Shay

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Speaker 1: or Dan Smiers, Dan, We'll get more hits. I'll listen

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Speaker 1: that's it. That's I like that Mr Smiers though Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 1: Yes so, but when you moved to town obviously, and

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Speaker 1: people may not know the story, and you've told on

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Speaker 1: just briefly, but you met sha Wah here, but you

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Speaker 1: a songwriter and producer. I moved here from Pennsylvania and uh,

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Speaker 1: guess that's so cheap and everybody's so nice. But you

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Speaker 1: like this blind dating, let's move to Nashville together thing.

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Speaker 1: He's like still one of my best friends, was in

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Speaker 1: my wedding, has a couple of cuts that are going

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Speaker 1: to be on our upcoming album, and he's killing it now.

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Speaker 1: But it wasn't like that for a while. Was his

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Speaker 1: name is Andy Albert. He would be an interesting guy

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Speaker 1: to talk to as well, like he's crushing it as

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Speaker 1: a songwriter. He's written a few hits. Uh. He wrote

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Speaker 1: later in the in the saga there, I guess, the

424
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Speaker 1: Tragic Tale of Dan Smiers in Nashville. But whenever we

425
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Speaker 1: would walk into publishing companies because we were just trying

426
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Speaker 1: to get a publishing deal, we were which we just

427
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Speaker 1: wanted to get paid, right songs. Yeah, yeah, we were like,

428
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Speaker 1: we just want to write songs for Rascal Flats or whoever.

429
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Speaker 1: And we would walk in and they're like, Danna chase

430
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Speaker 1: here again. Nah. And then when we became a band,

431
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432
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Speaker 1: some band names floating around for sure. Let me read

433
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449
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456
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457
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458
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472
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Speaker 1: me once that had a guy. This is another commercial,

473
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Speaker 1: but somebody trying to open a bank account. My name. Oh,

474
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Speaker 1: I have a my identity attempted to be stolen at

475
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Speaker 1: least ten times. Dude. We had a situation happened to us.

476
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Speaker 1: This is back to good transition. Back to the house.

477
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 1: We were living in Andy and I we found this

478
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Speaker 1: painting online. It was I don't know, maybe like twenty

479
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Speaker 1: dollars or something like that. But we were trying to

480
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Speaker 1: make our decrepit old house look a little better. We

481
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,199
Speaker 1: found this painting and this thing was massive. I mean

482
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Speaker 1: it was like six ft long, like eight ft highs

483
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:56,480
Speaker 1: big old canvas painting. And we're like, you know what,

484
00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,200
Speaker 1: we should like lie about this on Craigslist and put

485
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Speaker 1: it up and be like this is like a famous

486
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 1: like painting. It's worth you know, fifteen hundred bucks or

487
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,080
Speaker 1: something like that, and see if anybody bites. We put

488
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: it up on Craigslist, I could you not. Within like

489
00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,120
Speaker 1: an hour, somebody hits back and it's like we want

490
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Speaker 1: the painting, like can we email you? And we're like,

491
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,639
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this is huge, this is massive. And

492
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 1: they hit us back and they're like, but we want

493
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: to pay you. We want to pay you more than

494
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,280
Speaker 1: what we asked for. But it was like one of

495
00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 1: those situations where they try to scam you. You gotta

496
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 1: like send a check so they can cash it and

497
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,359
Speaker 1: do the whole thing, or no, no, they they were

498
00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,120
Speaker 1: trying to scam the scammera they were trying to scam

499
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Speaker 1: the scam I'll dude, I've been scammed for years. Did

500
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Speaker 1: you get any money out of it? So they sent

501
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,639
Speaker 1: us a check and it was for like, I don't know,

502
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,720
Speaker 1: seventeen it was. It was more than what we asked for.

503
00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 1: It was a lot, like in the thousands, and we

504
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: took it to it. We didn't want to take it

505
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 1: to our own bank because we were like this could

506
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,120
Speaker 1: be like we should try to get the cash quick,

507
00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:50,720
Speaker 1: even if we have to pay like a low commission.

508
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: We took it to Advanced Financial, like one of those

509
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: check cashing places on Nolan's Ville Road, and you know,

510
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,920
Speaker 1: it's like a glass window and you slip it through

511
00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,399
Speaker 1: like you're paying at a gas station, and uh, they

512
00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 1: look at the check and they looked at us and

513
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: they're like, uh, we're gonna have to call the police.

514
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 1: This is a fraudulent check. And we're like no, no, no,

515
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: like seriously, we we don't know what's happening, like we

516
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 1: just try to sell painting on Craigslist and this guy

517
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,960
Speaker 1: like and they're like, Okay, well you need to get

518
00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: out of here immediately because this is a fraudct I

519
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: guess this person had done it before and uh we

520
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 1: sprinted out of itting. No, we got the painting. We

521
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,920
Speaker 1: never sent the pain said the pain No, the whole issue.

522
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how this scam worked. We figured it

523
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 1: out one time, but it was, yeah, it was we

524
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: didn't what's what you deserved? You were trying to cheat

525
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,400
Speaker 1: and it was a good painting. Though it looks pretty good.

526
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: You still have it. He still has it, honestly still

527
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: has it. It's funny. So you and him moving into

528
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: this house, moving to this house, you're both what's he doing?

529
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 1: You're out cutting demos for artists? What's he doing kind

530
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 1: of the same thing. You know, he was writing and

531
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 1: just like scraping by on what he could. Were helping

532
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 1: each other. We supportive of each other, these two guys

533
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 1: living together. No, we were. We were working together. We're

534
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: writing songs together and you know, putting started putting the

535
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: Bonaventure band together while we were down there, and we

536
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 1: were like, you know, we had a little bit of

537
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 1: stuff going on. We we had connections, I guess from

538
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 1: what we had done in the past and who we

539
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: knew before we moved to Nashville, and we like we

540
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,719
Speaker 1: saved up our money or I don't know how we did.

541
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 1: Are like borrowed my dad's airline points and uh flew

542
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 1: to New York one time and showcase for Mercury Records.

543
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: This guy David Massey as Bonaventry. So we were like,

544
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: we didn't know whether we we were obviously writing country songs,

545
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: but we were just telling people whatever they wanted to hear.

546
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 1: So this pop label, like I was like, yeah, come

547
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: in and play for the President. I mean this guy

548
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: signed like Massive Acts, and we go up there. I

549
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: have a banjo, five string banjo and he had an

550
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 1: acoustic guitar. This was before like the resurgence of the

551
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: banjo and pop music happened, like Mumford and Sons and

552
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: imagine Dragons put a mantle in in their pop track.

553
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: This was like before that became cool. And I would

554
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: walk into this New York office Mercury Records, and it's

555
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: the two of us singing country songs and they're like, so,

556
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: you guys want to sign this pop label. Uh, We're like, yeah,

557
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: we would do anything you want. Like have you ever

558
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: thought about being in a country act? And we're like no, no.

559
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 1: We just start telling them what they wanted to hear,

560
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: what we thought they wanted to hear, and they're like cool,

561
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'll be in touch and we went back

562
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,239
Speaker 1: to Nashville and nothing ever came a bit. So did

563
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 1: you guys break up the idea of Bonaventure after they

564
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: didn't work? It was kind of not immediately there. We

565
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 1: were kind of just fizzling out, like focusing a little

566
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,359
Speaker 1: more on the writing thing. We I mean we've been

567
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: here for like four or five years before Shane and

568
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: I met, and uh, what was the big I wouldn't

569
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: even say break, but what was the pop for you?

570
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: Where you go? Okay? I can at least relax a

571
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: bit on rent. So when I signed my publishing deal

572
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: to Warner Chapel, I had sixty three dollars in my account,

573
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:43,320
Speaker 1: like cold sixty three that I know that number for

574
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: a fact. And I mean my rent that month was

575
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,399
Speaker 1: like a hundred fifty. So I was I hadn't figured

576
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: it out yet what I was gonna do, but it

577
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: was pretty nice. While we were like, you know, negotiating

578
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: deals and with the record label and the publishing company.

579
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 1: We would we would. There's this guy, Alex Hedel, he

580
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: runs he's that big machine publishing. He's still it gives

581
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: me a hard time because he was like, we wanted

582
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: to sign you guys, and you just like let us

583
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: on And we went out the Soul Shine and spent

584
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: like fifteen dollars at the bar and like, I'm like, no,

585
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: we did. We we went out one time and got

586
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 1: a pizza and beer. But we always give each other

587
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: a hard time about it. So whenever you're doing that,

588
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: if you're an artist out there and like you're you're

589
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: being courted by labels, if they want to buy you

590
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 1: a car, if they want to buy you, just take it.

591
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. How I knew you guys first

592
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 1: was not as friends who were trying to be artists.

593
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we had a deal at that point.

594
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: You didn't have a deal, no, but that's not always

595
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: Like I had these friends. Then we were doing karaoke

596
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 1: and I was like Dan and she was like it's

597
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: Dan and Shay and I was like we had demos.

598
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: So yeah, I was like, okay, cool. The artist thing

599
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 1: wasn't a thing. It was just not as friends, not

600
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: as friends who like drank other people's beer and partied.

601
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, this is crazy. I knew not a way back.

602
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: I met her. Uh, she was working I think she

603
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: was working for a pop station or doing for the River. Yes,

604
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 1: for the River and Boys Like Girls who I I know,

605
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,479
Speaker 1: And I'd go way back with those guys. They were

606
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,120
Speaker 1: still doing the band. And they came and played a show,

607
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: a Christmas show, and I met Nada there. She was

608
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: like doing promo for the station and they did an

609
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: acoustic radio show. And I was hanging with Paul and

610
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: Martin from Boys Like Girls, and I met Nada and

611
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 1: we became friends. And she'd been to that terrible house.

612
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: She knows all about it. That's funny. I just think

613
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: back because all these memories are hitting now, because that's

614
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: right when I moved to town. Is it right about

615
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,719
Speaker 1: the time you guys went on with Warner and became

616
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: a thing. But again, you weren't Dan and Show. You

617
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: were Dan and shape to dude just to her friends,

618
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: still looking for a band name. Yeah, that's crazy. We

619
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: were honestly under SoundCloud I don't know. I hope it's private,

620
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: because somebody's gonna go out there and find it. We

621
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: were on SoundCloud as ragtop Red. That was our name.

622
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: We were like big Tim McGraw fans and we're like,

623
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:49,399
Speaker 1: well we has red rag Toop. What if we like

624
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: flip it ragtop Red. There have been much summer names.

625
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: There is one. We were in Austin, Texas. We did

626
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,639
Speaker 1: south By Southwest and uh, we were down there. It

627
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: was I don't remember exactly the timing of the U. No.

628
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 1: This was the first. We've done south By Southwest twice.

629
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: The second time Justin Bieber came out on stage with us.

630
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: It was a whole thing that was crazy. The first

631
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: time we did it, there's a picture of it. There

632
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: was only we played a showcase and like Shay's lawyer

633
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: at the time, this guy Jim's I'm Walt, the man,

634
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: great guy. Uh. He was like, come down to do

635
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: this showcase and we can hang out, and we were like,

636
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: this is awesome. You know. We went down and there

637
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: was literally three people in the crowd. My lawyer Jonathan

638
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: He's the man, Jim's I'm Walt, and Paul d. Giovanni,

639
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: the guy boys like girls keeps coming up in this situation.

640
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't know why he was there. I think he

641
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: was just I think the band was on a break

642
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: or something at that point and he was just hanging out.

643
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: He was literally standing in the crowd and there's We

644
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: watched this the other night. We were cutting together videos

645
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: for Tequila and my buddy Pete Tracy, who does like

646
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: all our content. He found a video that somebody had

647
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: taken and it was showed us like rocking on stage.

648
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: I'm wearing like a Boston Red Sox hat and we're

649
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: dancing around like we've got something going on, and he

650
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: zooms out. Literally no one in the crowd was so embarrassing,

651
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 1: But what was your name? So we go to p

652
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: F Chains after that little showcase and Zombie's like, you

653
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: guys are poised to be the next big stars, Like whatever,

654
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: we need to come up with a name. So he's

655
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: got his little iPad. We're sitting at the roundtable in

656
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 1: the corner p F Changs in Austin, and he's like,

657
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 1: I got it, and we're sitting there like he might

658
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 1: have it. This is awesome. Let's hear him out. He's

659
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: like not showing us he's got a big surprise and

660
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 1: he's typing it out on this little iPad and he

661
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: flips it around, and his big pitch to us was

662
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: that the name should be schools out to me this, yeah,

663
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 1: So like if we ever get big like Dirk's Bentley

664
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: or something and can do the you know, country night,

665
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: that's funny. I remember that. Man. It's so funny because

666
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: I think of you guys as part of my memory

667
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: when I first got to town, because you guys were

668
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: being a thing right when I whatever I was being

669
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: and whatever I am, I started to be a thing

670
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: right when you guys were being a thing. At the

671
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: same time, people hated all of us, all of us.

672
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,160
Speaker 1: They we were ruining country music and are, by the way,

673
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: we're still running country. It's a very vocal minority. It's

674
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: it's insane, it's it's I've never seen anything like it.

675
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to someone that I do business with

676
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 1: the other day and we were talking about the people

677
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: that listen to country music, and I said, you can't

678
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: pay attention to the people that talk to you about it,

679
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: because the people they are satisfied and love it. They quiet,

680
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: they just love it, and they consume what they like

681
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: of it. They don't complain about what they don't. They

682
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: just go to what they like. The people that are

683
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the ones going this sucks that ain't country. They're out there,

684
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: but they're the loudest and they're a very select minority group.

685
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: They're aggressive to man. They every once in a while

686
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: when I want to like get into it on Twitter,

687
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: I shouldn't do this. I don't like search Dan plus

688
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: Sha not country, you know. And and there's some like

689
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: really vulgar stuff in there, like really aggressive. It's like,

690
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: if you don't want to listen to our music, just

691
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,080
Speaker 1: don't listen. Nobody's forcing anyone to do anything with anything

692
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: creative period. It's it. And at this point in my career,

693
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: I've all he's been hated because again by a vocal minority.

694
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Because when I was doing pop, I was too country.

695
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: When I do country, I'm to pop. When I was

696
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: doing alternative, I had too much of a Southern accent.

697
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: When I was doing sports, I've never been a professional athlete.

698
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: I just can't win. I've never fit anywhere. But it's

699
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: thickened my skin so much. But it's also made me

700
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: more like the people that actually consume and that's been

701
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: what was to me the hardest thing in the biggest

702
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: obstacle was oh, I'm never fitting. I actually fit exactly

703
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 1: with the people that are consuming it. They just don't scream. Yeah,

704
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: it's great, it's interesting you say that. Do you ever like,

705
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: are you impacted more by the haters than like, there'll

706
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: be I talked to Thomas read about this all the time,

707
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: and his dad always just like Thomas. He gets so

708
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: bent out of shape about the people on Twitter Thomas

709
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: Rhett and he'll hit people back. I see it on

710
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: his He has so many followers on Instagram, He's got

711
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: millions and millions of people saying Thomas, you're the greatest

712
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: artist I've ever heard. I like have your lyrics tattooed

713
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 1: on myself. And then one guy comes on there it's like,

714
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: why are you wearing those jeans? You look like whatever

715
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: you know and your music is not country. He'll reply

716
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: to him and he'll hit him back and like, but

717
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: you just scroll past. I love your song. I love

718
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: your song. You guys are amazing. The show is amazing night.

719
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And then there's one hater out there. It's like nice

720
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: haircuts or whatever, and it's like, oh, I'm gonna get

721
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: that guy. I want to get that guy. You know.

722
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: I was talking to Kip More about this, and Kip

723
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: More and I had the same management and we were

724
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: sitting in a in a room and he was talking

725
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: about at times he can be upset by people not

726
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: enjoying the show. He could say, there, let's say people

727
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: are just rocking and it keeps intense and you're talking

728
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: about loves his art that he keeps like, Man, I

729
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: have everybody going, but the one person, not one person

730
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: I'll focus on, is the guy who's just looking at

731
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 1: the ground. And I'm like, how do I win him over?

732
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: And I can't win him over? And he says, he

733
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: what do you do? Said? Well, when I do stand up? Well.

734
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: I also like to read about really good, famous people.

735
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm a be Mine is comic. I'm funny if you

736
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: want to come to the show. But I'm nothing like this.

737
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I'm nothing like the people that are really good, like

738
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: it's their profession. I'm a really good radio host. I'm

739
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: an okay comic. But Steve Martin is one of my heroes.

740
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: And before I was born in the eighties, so I

741
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: didn't really get to experience Steve Martin as when he

742
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: was new and it was groundbreaking. But he would say,

743
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: watch the top of their heads, don't watch their faces,

744
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 1: because everybody experiences joy differently, and you're you're projecting how

745
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: you experienced joy on them, and if they're not experiencing

746
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: joy how you experienced joy, you think, oh, they're not

747
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: enjoying it. So we had that conversation and then we

748
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: talked about why we get effected so much by when

749
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: someone say something bad about us. And I tried to go,

750
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm better than that, and I don't

751
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: let it get to me. But I keep myself the

752
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 1: same reason I keep sweets my refrigerator. I don't go

753
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: to Facebook. Yeah, the show Facebook, because it's people that

754
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are just angry, and I can't.

755
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: It drives me so crazy. I just know that's my

756
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: weakness and it hurts my feelings. And I'm I'm a

757
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: sensitive artist. It's tough, dude, we all are. We are,

758
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: and honestly, we played a show with Kip Moore. I

759
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: hope Kip doesn't hear this because he kill me. You know,

760
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: he wants to put off the tough guy. He's a

761
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: sensitively he's like in touch with his feelings and his emotions.

762
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: I mean you could hear it in his music. He's

763
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: an incredible songwriter. Play this thing on the Pepsi golf coast, Jam.

764
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: I believe whoever hears this is not gonna ever book

765
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: us there again. But uh, it was. It was an

766
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: interesting show. It was like I blame the fact that

767
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: it was insanely hot. It was like a hundred and

768
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: ten degrees outside. It was in Florida, and uh, Kip

769
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: had just gotten off stage and we were on the bus.

770
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: He's like pounding on our bus stories like boys, let

771
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: me come up there and hang out. And he's like

772
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: he was so bummed about there was like the crowd

773
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: was we saw his show. People were throwing beach balls

774
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 1: around and like they were for the most part, having

775
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: a good time. But it was hot, and it was

776
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 1: late in the day. You know, it's probably seven thirty

777
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: or eight at night, and they were like a couple

778
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: of guys down in the front row or in the

779
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: pit who were probably drunk or hungover, and they were

780
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: giving him a hard time and he was like a

781
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: mad dude, I'm done with this, Like I'm never playing

782
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: were like all right, we we talked about but he

783
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: was emotional about it. And yeah, he's a passionate guy.

784
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Though his his true fans like can feel

785
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: that he believes for his art, and it's like that's

786
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: why he died hard. He has die hard fans and

787
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: he's die hard. And I kept and I got into

788
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: a huge blow up one time because I go, well,

789
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: I'm commentating on what's happening, good or bad. I've a

790
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: one point made friends and enemies at the same time

791
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: of every single art. It's just about because where I've

792
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 1: said I've really enjoyed them, I've also said things I

793
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: don't like about them, just because if I say enough things,

794
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: eventually they're all not going to be great of course,

795
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,879
Speaker 1: so and I can't worry about that. And at times

796
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: it makes an awkward in town. But then again it

797
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: comes back around and we're cool, and then we're not

798
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: cool again. But we kept. One time, I said, Kip,

799
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: you gotta relax on the cell phones. This is me

800
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: talking over the year. Stop yelling at people with their

801
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: cell phones. Everybody uses their phones now, yes, But he

802
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 1: got so pissed at me and we ended up three

803
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: months later after we just wouldn't refuse to talk to

804
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: each other going to breakfast right after. For like three hours,

805
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: we just walked it out and there was an understanding

806
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: that we're both super sensitive in different ways, and we're

807
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: not on the same exact wavelength, but we're absolutely on

808
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: the same highway. And since then it's been fantastic. He

809
00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: is he'll shoot you straight, and I'll still make fun

810
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: of him if I need to. He sent me a

811
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: video I went to Hawaii. I don't know how to

812
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, and I told you this, I don't know

813
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: how to serve. I don't know how to do any

814
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: of the water stuff. You never grew up around wavy water.

815
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: I only grew up around lake water. So I can

816
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 1: have a supposed to be a paddle stand up paddle boarding,

817
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: and you take that strap and you put it on

818
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: your ankle, but I put it on my wrist because

819
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 1: I'm an idiot. I thought you put on your wrist.

820
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: And so I talked about the story I actually talked

821
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: about with you guys when you came on the show

822
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: and kept heard that segment. And he sends me a

823
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: video of just him over and over strapping. I think

824
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: to his leg, that's all The video was with him

825
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: strapping himself to a board over in a keeps a

826
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: passionate dude, and I like Kip. Yeah, I like him too.

827
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: He is a good guy. Okay, let's get back to this.

828
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: This podcast has gotten so big and we never expected it.

829
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: It's amazing, dude. It's killing it, I guess. But look

830
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: at this equipment, this equipment that I just bought. It

831
00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: might put it together. This is not even a real studio,

832
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,240
Speaker 1: and now we have two million subscribers. It's it's absolutely

833
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: insane cool. Okay. So here we are. And by the way,

834
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 1: I tried to get you in for months and either

835
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: you could do it and I couldn't, or I could

836
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: do it and you couldn't. And finally we got it.

837
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: We're here and we're hanging I like it. Thanks for

838
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: having me. Man um story is so ridiculous. I didn't

839
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: know some of this, and a lot of times I

840
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: know everything. I'm gonna I'm gonna keep giving lessons that

841
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: all the struggling artists out there were trying to get by.

842
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: So we had like Microsoft paint on our computers or

843
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: like some some iteration of it, and we would make

844
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: we're scammers. We made like fake coupons, or we would

845
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 1: find a keep on that it was expired and we

846
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: would change the date, and then we would go to

847
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: CC's Pizza. You know, CC's amazing. So CC's like t buffet.

848
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: It's four ninety nine, which was out of our price range.

849
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: So what we did is we made it like by

850
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: one game one three secs, because when you're in like

851
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: the two fifty range, it's like it's okay. Not only

852
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: did we do that, we would go with the CCS buy.

853
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: Our house would close at nine pm. We'd go at

854
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 1: eight forty and we would order two pizzas like customer

855
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: back of mac and cheese and Buffalo Chicken or something

856
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: like that, pizzas right off the front, and they'd be

857
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: like cool and they make them up and then we'd

858
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: be sitting in there and then they'd be like, gentlemen,

859
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: we're about to close the store. And we'd be like,

860
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 1: what are all those pizzas up on the thing? Are

861
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: you guys throwing those away? And they'd be like, yeah,

862
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: we have to take him to the dumpster. And we're like,

863
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: if we meet you out back, could we take the

864
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: leftover pizzas? And I mean the people working in SEC's

865
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: were like, sure, we don't care. Sure enough. We'd walk

866
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,280
Speaker 1: around the back of the place with the two custom

867
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: pieces that we had just had made, and then we

868
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: would get the like the pizzas they were throwing away,

869
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: and we would literally eat off this pizza for like

870
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: six weeks at a time, and as it became not

871
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,959
Speaker 1: really edible anymore, we would put it on the grill

872
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: out back. It was dark times. So what did your

873
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: parents do? My dad's a chemical engineer, he was. He's

874
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 1: retired now he coaches middle school soccer now yeah, yeah,

875
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 1: so was he a soccer player? He was? He played

876
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: in college? And were you an athlete? You're built like

877
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 1: an athlete? Yeah, you don't mind me noticing you're built

878
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: like an a man. Yeah. Maybe that speedo I warre

879
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: in here is a choice. Uh yeah, So I played

880
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: football for a year in college. I went that's like

881
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: the weird thing about what I'm doing because I graduated

882
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 1: from college from a great school. I graduated from Carnegie

883
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: Mellon in Pittsburgh, which is I'm playing that theater Carnegie Theater. Yeah, yeah,

884
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: that's amazing, it's beautiful. That's not Colby kl a by

885
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: there one time and Jimmy World in the pop Pung days,

886
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: it was killed her. I love Colby kel A so good.

887
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: She came through. We went to lunch one time. I

888
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: don't think it was a date. It could have been.

889
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: It could have been a date though, but she played

890
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: and Amy would know the real story because she's it

891
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it's that's for a different day. Yeah, I

892
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: need to hear this story that. Yeah, I need I

893
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: need to make sure it's right though before I say it,

894
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: I need to. I need to. You know, it's been

895
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: so long. You want to talk to the people that

896
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: were also experiencing it with you to make sure it

897
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: didn't turn into some fantasy in my head. Yeah, so

898
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: all these stories are now that we're talking, all these

899
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: like crazy stories I have when I'm of here coming back.

900
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,640
Speaker 1: I had another good one on deck here in a

901
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: few minutes. Whenever you played for one high school, what

902
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: would you play play? I played running back, so I

903
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: actually was touring through high school, so I and then

904
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: I I played all growing up, and then like the band,

905
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: the Transition band started sort of happening a little bit.

906
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: We were touring on weekends and then my parents like

907
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 1: they hated me. We had kind of a weird falling

908
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: out when I was in high school because they were like,

909
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: you're so good at sports, you should play sports, and

910
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: I was like, screw you, mom and dad. I'm playing music.

911
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: Like I wanna like drop out of high school and

912
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: go on the Warp Tour, which I wasn't even invited.

913
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 1: On the Wark Tour, we would show up and we

914
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 1: would build the stages. There was like the Kevin Says Stage.

915
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: Kevin Lyman, who ran the Warp Tour, had this thing

916
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: called Kevin Says Stage and it would just be new

917
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: and upcoming artists get up at six in the morning

918
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 1: every day, you know, lee putting like trusts and pipes

919
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: and all that stuff together and build the stage and

920
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: like two of the acts would get to play. So

921
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 1: there would be days we'd build the whole age right

922
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: to stage down and not even get to play. We

923
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: were well, it's like an open micare in Nashville. We

924
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: show up, but maybe you get on, maybe don't. You

925
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: had to drive the van from city to city, so

926
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 1: I bet a lot of people did that. You know,

927
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: you're all so young at the time, and I was like,

928
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yes, that's how I feel. When I

929
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: was seventeen nineteen radio going to school full time, taking

930
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600
Speaker 1: twenty hours broke as a joke. Yeah, it was, I

931
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: think the happiest time in my life, much happier than

932
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: now because I've now put all these problems into my

933
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: head that really don't don't matter. Money is like absolutely unfortunately,

934
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: it's the reality of what we do. I mean, I

935
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 1: wish I could just like write a million songs and

936
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: just chill, but like we have to go out and

937
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: play shows and you know, travel through the night or

938
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 1: take red eye fights to play shows, like because we

939
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: have bills to pay, and we have to pay our band,

940
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:47,839
Speaker 1: and we have to you know what I mean. There's

941
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: not even hard compared to what normal people like my

942
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: step dad worked at the sawmill. Yeah, every day, hated it.

943
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 1: That was hard work. What we do is not hard work, No,

944
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: it's not. We spent a lot of time creatively competing

945
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: against other people. It's exhausting. Sometimes we can still be

946
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: mentally exhausted and physically without sleep. Sure, but when I

947
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: was grinding it and actually doing the work, when I

948
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: was getting paid, I was so happy because I didn't

949
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: know any better, and money wasn't a problem because I

950
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: never had there was an option of any Yeah, there

951
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: was no option of money, so I just enjoyed the art.

952
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: I agree with you, that's that's that's so true. But yeah,

953
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: we were we were grinding and we had nothing. We

954
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: were not getting paid. We're doing these shows, and like

955
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: we would have a CD or a demo, we'd be

956
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: selling them to the line. You know, I had the

957
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: whole pitch down. I had like a little headphone set

958
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: and it's like you guys like fall Out Boy and

959
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: they're like, no, we like like hard stuff like No

960
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: Effects or something. We'd like, you're gonna love our stuff.

961
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: And it was otherwise, you know, we'd be like like

962
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: no Effects are like no, we like pop music like

963
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: fault Boy would be like, you're gonna love perfect just

964
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: for you. And we would like sell CDs for five

965
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 1: bucks to get to the next city, and that's just

966
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: what people buy them. They would, yeah, they would. I

967
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: mean people were generous. I don't know if that still

968
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 1: is a thing, but I mean that hustle, Like all

969
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: the guys in our band and our tour and crew

970
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: came from that world, so we all kind of have

971
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: that mentality and I. You know, we have an amazing

972
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: team around us. Now we've got amazing connections at country radio,

973
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: and we have amazing fans. But I try to still

974
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 1: keep that mentality with what I do. You know, here

975
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: in Nashville, it's like people like, why are you doing

976
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: so many things? Are writing all these songs or applying

977
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: to fans on social media and stuff. But it's just

978
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 1: what I what I'm used to when I came up

979
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: on and it's I mean, now we've got more of

980
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: a platform. There are more fans that will come to

981
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: the shows, you know, without me begging them to come

982
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: to the shows. But I try to keep that same mentality.

983
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: If I work as hard as I did when I

984
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,320
Speaker 1: was building stages at Warp Tour, We're gonna have a

985
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: lot of success. You know. You know that there's a

986
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 1: parallel that I see between we're talking about kit, between

987
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 1: Kip and you and Shay and that you have very

988
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:56,359
Speaker 1: passionate fans and you guys grind the road hard, hard,

989
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: harder than people give you credit for. But you know what,

990
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: you're not looking for credit. So it's a weird thing

991
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: to say that people don't give you credit for, becase

992
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: you're not looking for the credit, but you guys just

993
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: from knowing what it's like two tour because I do

994
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: a little myself and seeing you guys all out. You're

995
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: on the road a lot more than the normal country act. Yeah,

996
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 1: we are, we are. We did I think a hundred

997
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: and seventy three shows last year, which and just to

998
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: compare most people to do weekends. Yeah, most like the

999
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: bigger acts will do eighty five shows a year. Then

1000
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: that's a big touring here. But and we try to.

1001
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: I'm you know, we're with CIA, our agency. And when

1002
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: we met for the first time, I was like, I

1003
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: come from the you know, the world of warp tour

1004
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: where you're playing five six nights a week. Like now,

1005
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: I like the country thing. I like doing three nights

1006
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: and then coming back to Nashville and resetting the years.

1007
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: But we were like, let's just tour like a rock band.

1008
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: Let's go out and do We don't need to just

1009
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: play Friday and Saturday night. We can play a Tuesday

1010
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: night or Wednesday night. If you're playing clubs or House

1011
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: of Blues or whatever. It is. Like we were grinding

1012
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: playing every night. We're still doing that. I mean, we

1013
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: would go even when we're on tour. We're on tour

1014
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: with the Flats this summer, but we're booking our own

1015
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: headlining dates in but Wayne because our fans are passionate. Man,

1016
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: they did and they they want to see the full set,

1017
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: and you know, there's opportunity obviously business wise to go

1018
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: do those shows. But it's good for us too to

1019
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: be in those cities playing for those fans. Not just Okay,

1020
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the major cities you need to. I mean,

1021
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: that's thinking about country their country music fans everywhere. So

1022
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: you're not just playing New York and Boston or you know,

1023
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: big major cities. You're playing all over the place. And

1024
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: sometimes those shows are even crazier because the fans, you know,

1025
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: in the middle of nowhere, like no one ever comes here.

1026
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: This is the best I enjoy going to places where

1027
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: they're not huge circles on the map with a big city,

1028
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 1: because people are so much more appreciative. And I may

1029
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: not sell many tickets exactly, but the the great thing

1030
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: about what I do so in the radio. Most radio

1031
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: people don't do things outside of the radio show, right

1032
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: I do, And I think one of the greatest things

1033
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: I get from it is getting to have a dose

1034
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: of reality and actually seeing a meeting people because I

1035
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: do it every unless i'm I've only ever not done

1036
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: it two or three shows ever, unless I'm sick or

1037
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 1: something as went wrong, I always go, and that the

1038
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: theaters get mad at me for doing it, but I

1039
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: go and and talk to people, meet people because that

1040
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,839
Speaker 1: is important to me to to stay grounded. I can

1041
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,279
Speaker 1: be in a room absolutely and just talk to my

1042
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 1: friends and it goes over the air waves, but I

1043
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: will lose what's really happening in the world. Yeah. Me

1044
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: being able to go out and see people as much

1045
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: as I do resets me back to normalcy. Yeah. I

1046
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: like that. It gives me out of the bus. And

1047
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: for you guys too, you get out of Nashville, you

1048
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 1: see what's really happening, not what's in this stupid bubble

1049
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: of well, what's the coolest thing that's happening right right?

1050
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: It is a bubble, And I mean where I grew

1051
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 1: up with a bubble too. It wasn't until I moved

1052
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: out and started touring. It was like I thought everything

1053
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: was perfect. It was awesome. But it's not always like that.

1054
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: And you see the way, like certain people live, and

1055
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: that's why we try to when we're on stage, even

1056
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: if there's like technical difficulties, if the venue sucks or whatever,

1057
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: it is like, give a hundred and ten percent because

1058
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: even like if there's five people there, those five people

1059
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 1: don't care that there's not six people there. That was

1060
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: a hard thing for me to do, but absolutely right.

1061
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: You have to give your all of those people because

1062
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: like and and it it's even more impactful than when

1063
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: you play for twenty people in an arena because those

1064
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: people they feel special. And like I remember being a

1065
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: kid going to shows and if an artist got up

1066
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: there and phoned it in because the show wasn't sold out,

1067
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: it's like, you know what, I don't know if I

1068
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 1: love that artist, But if we go out there and play,

1069
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: like you know, in front of five people, like we're

1070
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: playing in front of big festival crowd, it's it's gonna

1071
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: go along. We've always had that mentality, So it's that

1072
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: took me a while, and I somebody wrote a book,

1073
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: Charlie Daniel for the book said, uh, don't look at them.

1074
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: And that's something over the past couple of years that

1075
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 1: I really appreciated is putting forth the effort when it

1076
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: when it feels like you should be down, like, oh man,

1077
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: this didn't sell out. But again, nobody knows. I want

1078
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: to watch Adam Crowler. Here's an example, Mike, did I

1079
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: want to watch Anamla And yeah, back and the place

1080
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: was half full, and I was and I was looking

1081
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: around like, wow, why is it that full? I kind

1082
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: of feel, but nobody there was looking behind them and

1083
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: in its single seat. And it again. Going to shows,

1084
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: we set me on how to do shows, absolutely absolutely,

1085
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,279
Speaker 1: because you also, you know, on the other on the

1086
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: flip side of that, you'll go to shows and see

1087
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: artists who do notice those empty seats and are complaining.

1088
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: You could tell they're just cutting set short and doing whatever,

1089
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: and you're like, that's the guy. I don't want to

1090
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: be so And I was early that guy, but now

1091
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: I'm exact opposite, and I appreciate it because and then

1092
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: I went to John Mayor show in Minneapolis, and I

1093
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: went through the meet and greet line. Not as later

1094
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: later I went hung out. I was cool later, but

1095
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: he was at the beginning. I wanted to go through

1096
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: a meet and greet line to see what it's like

1097
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:42,279
Speaker 1: to go through a meet greet line because where I

1098
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: am now, I get a lot of things because in

1099
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: my position, people say, hey, don't worry about it. And

1100
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: I've known John Mayor for a bit, We've probably a

1101
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: tenantance this together. So I don't know him, know him,

1102
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: but professionally we know each other, and now we actually

1103
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: follow each other on social media, and so maybe we'd

1104
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: recognize he'd recognize me, I'd recognize him. I'll be like,

1105
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: what so. But I went to the meet and greet

1106
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: line and it was forty five minutes or so, and

1107
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: I sat and I just talked to people, and it

1108
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: just gave me a new respect for even people that

1109
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: come to the meeting Totally. It was just it was

1110
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: it's really good for me to do stuff like that.

1111
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: It blows my mind. We were just in Europe, or

1112
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: in Europe in December, and it's like we came in

1113
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: a long way. We're like really far from where she

1114
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: grew up in Arkansas, where I got in Pennsylvania, where

1115
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: we live now in Nashville. We're an ocean away and

1116
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: there are people who like canceled their plans, book flights,

1117
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 1: whatever it is to come see us play. That It

1118
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: kind of blows my mind. It doesn't make you feel

1119
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 1: a little guilty. It does to me, it does. I

1120
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,279
Speaker 1: feel like they come to see me. I wouldn't go

1121
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 1: see me. I wouldn't go see me either, And I'm

1122
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: so grateful to people that do. But I almost want

1123
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: to apologize before the show and say, oh you just

1124
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 1: maybe you know the thirty bucks and I hope I

1125
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: do good. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I feel like we have

1126
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: We're so lucky. Our fans are probably all listening right now,

1127
00:48:54,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: but we've got fans. Our friend Kayla, she's like our

1128
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: biggest fans. She's so good to us, so loyal. We

1129
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: at the halftime. She out the Steelers game the other

1130
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 1: day and she her and her friend like took a

1131
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: flight or drove and came all the way to the

1132
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: game to see us play two and have songs like

1133
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: die Hard. But last night her and a bunch of

1134
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: other fans of ours started gifting like people not just

1135
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: buying our song on iTunes. They were like, the guys

1136
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: are in the top ten on all genres, we should

1137
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: see if we can get them to number one. Literally,

1138
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,400
Speaker 1: we're just with their credit card and the thing gifting

1139
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:24,240
Speaker 1: our song to like anybody who d m them on Twitter,

1140
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: probably spending a hundred dollars, like gifting the same song

1141
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: over and over and that's amazing. And I felt I

1142
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: had a message. I was like, look so nice to you.

1143
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,439
Speaker 1: You can stop, Like I want to go to number

1144
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 1: one too, but like you're just like too kind and

1145
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: I feel guilty. That's yeah, you feel like I do. Anyway.

1146
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: I feel like, man, I'm just not worthy of this.

1147
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 1: I feel the same, And I hope I never don't

1148
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: feel that way, if that makes sense, because I don't

1149
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: ever want to take it for granted. Neither do I.

1150
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: That's a good thing about being in a duo. If

1151
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: we ever, one of us ever is like starting to

1152
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: get a little bit taking it for granted. It's like

1153
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 1: you need to shape up, like get you know, punch

1154
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: the other guy any arms. So when you guys finally

1155
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: decided on Dan and Shay the name, the name, like

1156
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: we're really just gonna it probably had to be like, well,

1157
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: we couldn't come up with the name, so we're just

1158
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: gonna be Dan and say, yeah, what was that conversation

1159
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,200
Speaker 1: And who was the one that said, Okay, we think

1160
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,880
Speaker 1: it just should be Dan and Jay? Was it? Vo

1161
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly how it happened, but we are managers.

1162
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: We we work with Scooter braun Um you know which.

1163
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: By the way, it is funny because I was a

1164
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 1: Scooter two weeks ago and Scooter goes hold on and

1165
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: facetimes you. He's the king of FaceTime. While I'm sitting

1166
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 1: with Scooter in Los Angeles. I don't know where you

1167
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: guys were. You were driving, you were driving though we

1168
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: were on the bus, I think you're doing or was

1169
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: I at home? I don't know, well whatever, I remember it.

1170
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: So Scooter is part of the Hey, we're gonna name

1171
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: you guys, Dan and Shay, Yeah, he was part of that.

1172
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: He was like, you guys are like recognizable by your

1173
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: names because we had met with Scooter. We'd flown out.

1174
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: We've had like insane experiences at Scooter's place. Like Scooter,

1175
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 1: by the way, it's Justin Bieber, Kanye Carly class manager,

1176
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: like yeah, monsor on Grand anybody, and we would like

1177
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: go out and jam with Justin Bieber and Selena. We'd

1178
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 1: be playing guitar and singing and doing all this stuff

1179
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: and like the crazy like these nights that you see

1180
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: and you know at HBO series like crazy stuff and

1181
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 1: uh he was always just like everybody knows you guys

1182
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: is Dan and Shay. It's cool, Like for the branding

1183
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: and instead of having some band name that you have

1184
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 1: to reinvent some new moniker, It's like, why not just

1185
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: go buy your names then people will know you guys

1186
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 1: and do whatever. We're like, we don't have any other ideas, Sure,

1187
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 1: let's go with it. And then I got with my

1188
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 1: buddy Pete Tracy. Pete Tracy also moved to Nashville with

1189
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: me when I moved here. He's from Pittsburgh and like

1190
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: he was on the Dark Time, the Dark training with

1191
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: us for a long time. But he's he's crushing it now.

1192
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: He's he did Did you see Jillian's new video Jillian Jacqueline?

1193
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: I did, Yeah for reasons, Yeah, amazing, Yeah, just three

1194
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: months she opened for She's fantastic. I put her in

1195
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 1: my class of saw and took her out for three months.

1196
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: She opened for it, and Brandon is open it for me.

1197
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: I just like, I just love the new artists, man fascinated.

1198
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: You're such a big part of their careers though and

1199
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: breaking them. I mean they get to a certain level.

1200
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: I mean because of the exposure that you give them.

1201
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: So I'll play stoked on Jillian whenever you did that,

1202
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: because I've known Jillian since Andy and I moved. We

1203
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: talked about this at the Hall of Fame, because you

1204
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: guys came up to my radio Hall of Fame and

1205
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: you did say didn't We were both there, just checked out.

1206
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah he was. He was physically there. Okay, he was rocking.

1207
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: So you and I were talking at a bar in Chicago,

1208
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 1: and it was if I'm stepping out of turn, tell me,

1209
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: but you took Devon and Jillian both to the label?

1210
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it's Warner Brothers. You took them, like, yeah,

1211
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: I played, Uh, I played Devon's music for our buddy

1212
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: who's now he's not at Warner Brothers anymore, And like

1213
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: Davin thought a Warn Brothers, but our buddy who was

1214
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: had a promo over there and played it for him

1215
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people on the label. And you know,

1216
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: I have a great relationship with jonas talent. I'm trying.

1217
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: They're because they're both fantastic, But are you close to that?

1218
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: Are you're closer to Devon though than you and another

1219
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: artists on those friends? Devin saying the first dance at

1220
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: my wedding. He's great, Like I believe in Devin so much.

1221
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: That's another talk about a guy who's passionate about his art. Yeah,

1222
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: his records coming out this week. So I mean, he

1223
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: is just he's an amazing songwriter. We met first, we

1224
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 1: were just we were writing songs together and um, I

1225
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: was just like, this guy's prolific, Like his words are insane.

1226
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: His voice, his voice to me. When I first heard him,

1227
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: he was playing at the basement, not the basement East,

1228
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: but the regular the small basement you know, like basement

1229
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: in your house. Yeah, basement. I don't even have a basement,

1230
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: but he was playing at the basement and we had

1231
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: written that day, and I told my wife Abbey. I

1232
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: was like, Yo, she's a huge music fan. Two she's

1233
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: like R, A and R. You know, she knows all

1234
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,399
Speaker 1: all the good artists before I do, and picks our

1235
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: singles and the whole deal. Um. But I was like,

1236
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,400
Speaker 1: you gotta go see this guy wrote with today, Like

1237
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: he's insane. We saw him at the basement. I was like,

1238
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: this guy's a star. Incredible. I mean his voice has

1239
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: like a soulful I mean it's like a Gavin de

1240
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: girl kind of sound in his voice. He's got like

1241
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: a graspy kind of thing. I don't know. I just

1242
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: think that guy. And he's got his old branding and

1243
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: the monochromatic vibe. And we told he's spent on people, Mike. Yeah,

1244
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: when he was playing that, you know, so he was

1245
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: in that scene, he was like, well, we just spent

1246
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: on people. Yeah. I loved Evan. He's he's absolutely incredible. Um,

1247
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: we share a love of tequila. He brings nice tequilo

1248
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: bottles over my house and we enjoy him. But Jillian

1249
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: is one of my you know, oldest friends here in Nashville.

1250
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: We've been writing songs together since that. She'd been in

1251
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: that bad house that I was living in, so asked

1252
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: her about that place. But yeah, she's awesome, man, and

1253
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: she's she's so cool. She's amazing. She's an amazing songwriter,

1254
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: amazing singer, she's beautiful, has a great attitude. She's been

1255
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: in this town. I'd like to find that happens, like

1256
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: the people who have the most success have been here,

1257
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: like cutting their teeth for a long time. Like everybody

1258
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: thinks people people. Whenever you announced her into that class

1259
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: that she was like, oh, this girl just like God,

1260
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: it made like Bobby's gonna blow her up. Whatever she'd

1261
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,040
Speaker 1: been here for she'd been here longer than me. So

1262
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: she's been here for probably ten at least ten years,

1263
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 1: and she's a new artist at the same time, exactly right.

1264
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean everyone for new artists that these award shows.

1265
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, I've been had this thing, but I'll

1266
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,880
Speaker 1: take it. It takes forever to be an overnight success.

1267
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:13,800
Speaker 1: It does so okay. So you're dan Plush and that

1268
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: had to be a thing at first because I bet

1269
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: everyone's calling you dan Plush. Oh my stay still do

1270
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 1: this is dan Plush with their first single nineteen you

1271
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:25,879
Speaker 1: plus me. It's like, but you know what, to be fair, yeah,

1272
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: it is a plus sign. It is. It is. And

1273
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: we had this like I always am, like thinking too

1274
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: many steps in advance. I probably should enjoy the moment

1275
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: a little more. But Pat and I P Tracy has

1276
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 1: been referring to him like we had this whole vision

1277
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: for the brand, and you know, we could see like

1278
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift does the heart things at her shows with

1279
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: their hands. I was like, I want to make our fans,

1280
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: you know, if we ever have we didn't have any

1281
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: fans at this point. It's like, what if they like

1282
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: put their hands up and made It's gonna be hard

1283
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: for them to make an amper sand with their hands,

1284
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: so like let's use uh so they're gonna do plus

1285
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: times their fingers. They yeah, we don't really do it

1286
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: as much anymore. Our shows so full throttle. And you know,

1287
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: did you used to do that at the plus time

1288
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: every show? If you dig back on our Instagram, I

1289
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: should probably bring that back. It's kind of a cool thing.

1290
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,959
Speaker 1: And like, you know, I take a picture of the crowd,

1291
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:10,919
Speaker 1: which I stole that from Ed shere and he would

1292
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 1: take pictures of the crowd every single night, you know,

1293
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: like even from when he was playing clubs and it's

1294
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: cool to watch his progress now he's doing five nights

1295
00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:20,919
Speaker 1: at Wembley Stadium. But he would always take a picture

1296
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: of the crowd. So we would do that and then

1297
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: we would try to do the plus sign thing and

1298
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: we'd be like, put your hands up, and you'd have

1299
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: to explain it at first because they're like, why am

1300
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: I doing? Okay, I see it now, but we would

1301
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: make them put the plus sign up with their fingers,

1302
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: and that's a cool thing, and nobody does that that

1303
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: that exact thing. I haven't seen anyone do the plus

1304
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: sign thing, so I haven't seen anybody. You should bring

1305
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: it back. I might bring it back. It's hard. It's

1306
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 1: hard to have a thing nowadays because everybody's got a

1307
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: thing totally. So it's hard to have a thing when

1308
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 1: everybody's got a thing. Yep, that's the thing if you

1309
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 1: don't have somebody do it. It did like at first

1310
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: it confused a lot of people and are like some

1311
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: folks that are record label like, we should just change

1312
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,319
Speaker 1: it to the end like this. I'm like, people will

1313
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: eventually get it. And if they're talking about us and

1314
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: they're playing our song, so what, it's fine. It's fine.

1315
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's just one more thing to talk about.

1316
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, we we had to grind away for a

1317
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: few years with the bus sign thing, but there are

1318
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: still a few people Dan blush, you know, it's like,

1319
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: all right, we're done here. You bring up Abby your wife,

1320
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 1: so let's tell me what my story is wrong again.

1321
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: You can just always say, hey, stop talking. So she

1322
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: was working at your label, she was, and you were dating.

1323
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: So she stopped working at the label because she couldn't

1324
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: date you while working at the label, Is that true?

1325
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,919
Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, she was. She was working at the label.

1326
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: She was a regional, a promo rep of ours, which

1327
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: is like the toughest job in the entire world. I mean,

1328
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: not the word, but it's a tough job. Yeah, I'm

1329
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: a dramatic guy, but in the music industry, I think

1330
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: that is the most difficult job. They as much as

1331
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: we tour, they're working five or six artists simultaneously, and

1332
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 1: they're out knocking on radio stations doors at six am saying, hey,

1333
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: ore Danna Shaty record is looking a little weak that

1334
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 1: you know right now, Like we need to get some spins.

1335
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: And it's just it's like a sales job. It's so tough.

1336
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 1: And then when a new artist like us comes out,

1337
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: they go on a radio tour and that's like so grueling.

1338
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: We'd be doing four stations a day and then you're

1339
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: going out to dinner and you're hanging with program directors

1340
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,439
Speaker 1: and it all pays off in the end. It's great.

1341
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: You need to make those relationships and country radio is

1342
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: very you know, close knit, and it's a relationshipship. Sure,

1343
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: we've had great luck, you know, people have been so

1344
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: kind to us. But it's we guys are nice though,

1345
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: because there's nothing super pretentious about YouTube. When you show

1346
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 1: up in a room and you have Shay who's just

1347
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 1: like no, no, no, no. You know he's a good one.

1348
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: Say is my Amy? Yep? Because I am. When I'm

1349
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: not working, I got nothing to say same. I'm quiet.

1350
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: I prefer to be creative in my own head right

1351
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: it on a computer right here, and I'm just not

1352
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: that outward. But I can take Amy and people will

1353
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: like me because Amy's awesome and she's so gious room. So,

1354
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,680
Speaker 1: but you guys are nice to be around. Thank you

1355
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 1: for saying that. Likewise, I never disliked you. Don't know

1356
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: if you guys ever got mad at me when I

1357
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:03,800
Speaker 1: was calling you the Savage Garden of country radio. I'll

1358
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,000
Speaker 1: take that man again. People somebody's talking about us. You

1359
00:59:06,080 --> 00:59:07,720
Speaker 1: got a big audience and people were talking, and you

1360
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: guys came in and saying Savage Garden and crushed it.

1361
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: And I thought that's when I was like, oh, these

1362
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: guys are better than other people because to be on

1363
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,439
Speaker 1: a certain level, I mean, do you have a deal

1364
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: You have to be so good? Really, because it's a

1365
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: talent of elite talent and the elite of the elite.

1366
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: It's a record deal, and then and then it is

1367
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 1: luck involved too, because there are a lot of talented

1368
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:27,320
Speaker 1: people in this town. They don't have record deals. Yeah,

1369
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: but I think you can make decisions to change your luck.

1370
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm not a big luck guy generally. I'm just not

1371
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: a big luck guy. But that being inside, I knew

1372
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 1: you guys would have to be good to have a deal.

1373
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 1: But when you came in after, I would say, all

1374
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,280
Speaker 1: these guys are like the Savage Guarden of of country radio,

1375
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: and you guys sang, I just remember going, oh, they're different,

1376
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: they're better than everybody. But you guys weren't around a

1377
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 1: lot because you're touring all the time too. But I

1378
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: remember thinking, all, they're better than everybody. They're way better

1379
00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: than people. And they're not asking for credit, but they're

1380
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: way better than people give them credit for. You guys

1381
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: did boys the Men, which is how Scooter and I

1382
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:58,479
Speaker 1: got to know each other. Do you know the story.

1383
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: I don't know the story. Okay, if you boy two men? Yes,

1384
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: So you guys came in and you know, I mean,

1385
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: I love all formats of music. I think formats are

1386
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 1: garbage about honestly, And the people who say they don't.

1387
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: All the people out there who say I only listen

1388
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 1: to a certain things, They're in their truck or their

1389
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: car bumping every kind of music that anything that makes

1390
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:17,200
Speaker 1: them feel something, they're they're listening to it. Even the

1391
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: most we won't I will not mention name, but even

1392
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,240
Speaker 1: the most country of artists, but I know loves all

1393
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: kinds of music. The artist people yell about like that's

1394
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 1: real country, that's that person is probably listening to twenty

1395
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: one s Avage right now, like I hate to bust bubble,

1396
01:00:34,600 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 1: but they got yeah yeah. And if you restrict yourself

1397
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:38,960
Speaker 1: to a certain thing because of his genre lines and

1398
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: say I can only listen, or you deny yourself from

1399
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: liking a certain thing that you actually like, you're just

1400
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: cheating yourself. I was doing a YouTube and I'm doing

1401
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: a lot of projects with Scooter now on the television side,

1402
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,479
Speaker 1: so um working on multiplees. But the reason is because

1403
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: of you, guys. Well what happened was so he's he

1404
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: manages you guys. Him and Jason Owen at sand Box

1405
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 1: in town. He came in and we were going back

1406
01:01:02,040 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: and forth and you guys are playing all these songs

1407
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: out a format and I'm like, oh, dud this one.

1408
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 1: And I was singing along doing this and he was like, wait,

1409
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: you're not the normal country guys, he said, So I

1410
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: started going down the rabbit hole of YouTube videos and

1411
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: saw that you do all kinds of music and you

1412
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: have a different look about you. And he's like, So

1413
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna keep that guy's name and when

1414
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,480
Speaker 1: something that comes up, and then he calls, and then

1415
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: that's how we started their business. It was I forgot

1416
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: about this. It was you freaking guys. He saw a

1417
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: YouTube video of us singing it together something yeah, like

1418
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: at that. So let's fast forward cause I don't know

1419
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 1: how I've been talking. I could do five of these.

1420
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: How long we wait? Okay, let's go to right now.

1421
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: You and Shay, you plus each other, you met, you

1422
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: had a baby. I don't know what happened. Yeah, we

1423
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,479
Speaker 1: we got all the comments, Stan Bush, what is that equal?

1424
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,240
Speaker 1: I want to tell you about what's happening right now?

1425
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,160
Speaker 1: And again people will hear this, who knows when, but

1426
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,520
Speaker 1: they just put out Danny put out tequila. And what's

1427
01:01:51,560 --> 01:01:54,120
Speaker 1: playing over here? Mike hold on? I turned it off.

1428
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 1: I got it. I got it. So you put out

1429
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: this song, Tequila, it's doing. It has cut through more

1430
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,520
Speaker 1: than any other song I feel you guys have put

1431
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: out Initially. You guys have had some monster hits that

1432
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: have had slow grinds. Yeah that it's taken people while

1433
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:16,960
Speaker 1: to get to either radio people are the fans, yea.

1434
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,520
Speaker 1: This has been the biggest song for you guys from

1435
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: the initial pop. It's been incredible. I've yeah, I've not

1436
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,080
Speaker 1: been shy about sharing the numbers or whatever on on

1437
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: the internet, but it is incredible. We worked so hard

1438
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,280
Speaker 1: on these songs and making the tracks, and people, I

1439
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 1: think a lot of times don't appreciate what goes into

1440
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: a song, you know, even if somebody's out there criticizing

1441
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: a song and doing whatever. That song had to like

1442
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 1: start with somebody writing it right, maybe on an acoustic guitar,

1443
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: you know, and then be demoed and somebody had a

1444
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 1: label how to be like, yeah, I like that. We

1445
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: should go in the studio and pay for that to

1446
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 1: be recorded. We should cut that, and then it gets

1447
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: mixed and mastered, and then there's a lot of steps

1448
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: that the song goes through. Uh, from when it's written

1449
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: to when somebody hears it, and to see this song

1450
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: doing so well, I start tracing those steps back and

1451
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: it's like I spent a lot of time working on

1452
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 1: that track, you know, producing the you know, the drum

1453
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 1: loops or whatever, and editing vocals, and we do it

1454
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,640
Speaker 1: all at my house, so it's like a lot of

1455
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: time went into that. And I was so nervous before

1456
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: we put it out because it starts with the piano

1457
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: and a vocal, which you know, for the people out

1458
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 1: there you don't know, is like a little bit risky

1459
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: at country radio or radio in general, because it's like

1460
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: ballads are tougher to fit into a playlist because it's

1461
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,479
Speaker 1: slowed down the base of your radio station. But we're

1462
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 1: just are in this place now where you know, luckily

1463
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: ballots have worked for Dan and Jay. We've had success

1464
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: on from the ground up. Was our biggest song previously

1465
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: and that's out and this one had probably the second

1466
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: biggest from the from the beginning, we felt it this

1467
01:03:44,400 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: was a big one. U and uh we've been It's

1468
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,520
Speaker 1: it's funny because that the song is our biggest hit,

1469
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: changed our lives, changed our career. We've been on a

1470
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: whole other level since this song came out, but uh,

1471
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,720
Speaker 1: since Tequila came out. That's the stat comparison. So all

1472
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 1: get emails from s BO or you know whoever from

1473
01:04:01,440 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: the label and it says Tequila has sold in the

1474
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: first four days it was out thirty two thousand downloads

1475
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: on iTunes versus fifteen thousand of from the ground up,

1476
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: so almost double. An additional stat is that the market

1477
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: in general on track sales is down, you're going up,

1478
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,400
Speaker 1: so you can hypothetically say it's almost double what it is.

1479
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: So it's if you do that in your head, it's like,

1480
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 1: this is so impactful and just to see how that's

1481
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: how far that song went for us is insane. And

1482
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,640
Speaker 1: this one is. I mean, it's been number one on

1483
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: the country chart, which is incredible. But then there's some

1484
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: heavy hitters in the all genres chart. There's Bruno, Mars

1485
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 1: has Filthy out Right Now are just timber Lake, and

1486
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: Bruno has Finesse imagine Dragons Thunder. All these songs are

1487
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: in the top ten on the radio pop, which is

1488
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: an insanely big audience. And Tequila, for some reason, it

1489
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 1: is like the little engine that could, and it's just

1490
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 1: camped out in the top five or top ten, you know,

1491
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and it's I don't know,

1492
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: it's it's surreal to me to see that happen because

1493
01:04:57,920 --> 01:05:00,800
Speaker 1: it's still so early in the radio, you know, country

1494
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,320
Speaker 1: radio climb. It's it's a long time for a new artist,

1495
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: but it is. And this song could cross over a bit.

1496
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. You probably thought about that, never said

1497
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: it out loud, but this song could cross over a bit. Yeah,

1498
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 1: I think uh on this round, we you know, we

1499
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:17,680
Speaker 1: did face a lot of the haters. I think that

1500
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: was kind of our evolution. When we first put out

1501
01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: our you know, the Where It All Began album, we

1502
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 1: we didn't know what we're doing on that album. That

1503
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,640
Speaker 1: was just demos that we were doing in my living

1504
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: room or whatever on logic Um, and we were just

1505
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: kind of like two guys figuring it out. In the

1506
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: second record, we kind of were reactive a little bit

1507
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: of those people on Twitter at festivals saying like, you

1508
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: guys are ruining country music with that Myrtle Beach song,

1509
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,480
Speaker 1: the Ninetenue and Me song. You know that you guys are,

1510
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: So we were like, we should do a little bit

1511
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,320
Speaker 1: more of a country thing. And yeah, this was the

1512
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: one that ruined country music, I guess, but totally ruin

1513
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: the because everybody's saying it every time I came on

1514
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 1: the right. You hear this now and this is like

1515
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: down the middle of country. But at the time it

1516
01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,840
Speaker 1: was very left to center. Um. But all the artists

1517
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 1: that break through. Samhi, whenever his stuff came out, was

1518
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: like so pushing boundaries, or even Kelsey or anybody who's

1519
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,160
Speaker 1: doing their thing. But now you listen back to that

1520
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: and you like, that sounds like a normal country song,

1521
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 1: more traditional than some stuff on the radio. And what

1522
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 1: you just talked about has been done a thousand times.

1523
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,880
Speaker 1: But just my conversation with Garth about this specifically, and

1524
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: I talked Garth is the pioneer of that. He said

1525
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: they want to run him out of town because what

1526
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 1: he was doing was so different than everybody else that

1527
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: he was running country music. And not to compared Kelsey

1528
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: or you are Sam to Garth, because everybody's in their

1529
01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: own space. But it's just the same story, even from

1530
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: the biggest people where you think, oh, that's what country

1531
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: is like. He always was. No. I sat with Garth

1532
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: and he said they told me that this is not

1533
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: country music. Yeah, I should stop making it for sure.

1534
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 1: I mean on this record, we were just we were

1535
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 1: just like, you know what, we love what we love.

1536
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 1: We take all our influences. Obviously, we moved here because

1537
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,919
Speaker 1: we want to write country songs. We love country music.

1538
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: But we were just like, we should just record what

1539
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: we know how to record and record great songs, no

1540
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 1: matter who writes them. Figured that on our last record.

1541
01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: We you know, we came here as songwriters. It to

1542
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: have a successful artist career, you need to always record

1543
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 1: the best song, whether you write it or you don't.

1544
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,560
Speaker 1: Adam Hambrick wrote how not too, We heard that demo

1545
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: come in. That's a funny story too. But that song

1546
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: came in and we didn't write it, and we were like,

1547
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 1: you know what this is that? No, this isn't even

1548
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 1: the rest time I heard of this. He recorded, I

1549
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 1: think this sounds amazing, you got it. Look at that.

1550
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: Here's the work tape. I've never heard this, you know.

1551
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 1: So if we took out him out with us and

1552
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 1: he played with Raging Idiots for four months, and so

1553
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 1: he would play this song and every every night I

1554
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 1: played had a little bit of you guys in my heart.

1555
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,360
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. But the thing is,

1556
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: you talk about artists writing for you, you also write

1557
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: for other artists. Yeah, we've had a little bit of

1558
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: luck with that. We're we're still always it's a little

1559
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 1: bit difficult now that we're doing our own projects because

1560
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,520
Speaker 1: you write, you know, I think I wrote like ninety

1561
01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: four songs last year or something insane. Uh, But you

1562
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 1: always want to keep the best songs for your helf,

1563
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: you know. Our artist career is obviously the most important thing.

1564
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 1: And then when somebody hears something like that tequila song.

1565
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: I wrote it with Nicole Galleon, who I think you've

1566
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,439
Speaker 1: talked to her. We talked to days a matter of fact,

1567
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: She's brilliant. She's like one step ahead of everybody else

1568
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 1: right now. She's got female from Keith Urban out there.

1569
01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,760
Speaker 1: She's boy, which like some of the best most well

1570
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,080
Speaker 1: written songs on country radio. Uh. And my friend Jordan

1571
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 1: Reynolds and uh, what was I talking about writing that song? Oh? Yeah,

1572
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: we we wrote that song and it was one of

1573
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: the ones from the ground. It was the same thing

1574
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,679
Speaker 1: where we sat on the demo for a little while,

1575
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 1: sat on it for like a year before we recorded it,

1576
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 1: and it's circulated to other artists, you know, publishers and

1577
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: even to tequila circular tequila. Yeah, and it's circulated. I

1578
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,559
Speaker 1: would get text from artists and be like, dude, if

1579
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 1: you guys aren't cutting that song, I'm cutting that like

1580
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it on my record. And then you're like,

1581
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: should I get that song away? Because you never know

1582
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: what's gonna end up making that song may never have

1583
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 1: made our record, you know, we may have beat it

1584
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: or written something else, like I should have give that away,

1585
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: But you know, it always finds the right somehow. I

1586
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: don't know, or the home that it has is just

1587
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: what you know. It's true because there could have been

1588
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 1: song listen. I'm just not I'm just not as a

1589
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: destiny guy. I'm but your own. I do enjoy tequila

1590
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 1: the song. I've never actually tasted tequila to drink, but

1591
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: I do enjoy to kut background. I saw you post that.

1592
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Yeah, like the first time ever

1593
01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: on the track, we just do all this the way there. Yeah,

1594
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: that little Justin Bieber thing in the back I should

1595
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: have put up my I saw zak Rowl was on here,

1596
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: like soloing out tracks. We'll do that next time. It's

1597
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: a kidding. So I just took the tequila thing and

1598
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,040
Speaker 1: it shifted it up towel sense and it's made that

1599
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 1: little crazy tequila sound. And the thing is, you're such

1600
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,000
Speaker 1: a pretty Like this is you doing this stuff? People

1601
01:09:57,040 --> 01:10:02,200
Speaker 1: don't know that you're that. Shaye is excellent. It's it's

1602
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: such a great team, yeah, because for the most part,

1603
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: you're the brains that's putting these sounds together, and it's

1604
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 1: in a lab and Shade singing his freaking brains out

1605
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: on stage. But you're both doing the other things too.

1606
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: For sure. It's literally the best singer I've ever heard.

1607
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: It's like insane. It's amazing to watch somebody who's never

1608
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: heard him singing person watch their reaction. Oh that's what

1609
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:24,639
Speaker 1: happened to me. When you guys came in the front,

1610
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, they're the best. Yeah, game over. Ye,

1611
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 1: it's insane. I still get blown away by it. I'm

1612
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: like when I when he's in the studio, especially live,

1613
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 1: is there's a lot of great live singers, but in

1614
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 1: the studio is like very vulnerable place, and I mean

1615
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 1: just the timing and the tone and like I look

1616
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: at you know, I'll pull up you know, a pitch

1617
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 1: thing and look at where he is. I mean, he's

1618
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: like spot on. It's it's a gift, it really is.

1619
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's and you can wake up in the

1620
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: morning and sing too. It's like, you know, come in

1621
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,479
Speaker 1: on the radio show and sing boys to Men, which

1622
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: is like, that's a hard song to sing. Yeah, I

1623
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,679
Speaker 1: didn't ask you guys to sing the last time because

1624
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,040
Speaker 1: I was like him saying, I was like, no, I

1625
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: think they need they Let's let's have a little time

1626
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: there in the middle. You guys have just crushed it

1627
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: so many times. So man, I'm happy for you guys.

1628
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:10,040
Speaker 1: Thank you. Man. You you've been there since the beginning.

1629
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: So it's been a kind of not really but kind

1630
01:11:12,160 --> 01:11:13,640
Speaker 1: of like I mean, I've been there. I didn't know

1631
01:11:13,640 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: what I was doing when you started. I wish I

1632
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:17,559
Speaker 1: could have been the guy that was like, dnit say

1633
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:18,960
Speaker 1: the best ever? You should trust me. I don't even

1634
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: know I was talking about you know what. I think

1635
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:22,840
Speaker 1: Now we've settled into our places after we were like

1636
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 1: kind of on the same timeline, and we've settled in

1637
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: and we just do us, you know, like you doing

1638
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: your thing if there's a few haters out there, so

1639
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 1: what they don't have to listen. You do your thing,

1640
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: and we're making the music we want to make. And

1641
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,720
Speaker 1: that's what we did on Tequilo. Like we could have

1642
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:37,479
Speaker 1: went more country, could have went more pop, but we

1643
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: just did what we knew how to do. And we're like,

1644
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,719
Speaker 1: you know what, country music is just about great songs

1645
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: and great stories, and that's what we did. And yeah,

1646
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: it's maybe about it, maybe slower than some of the

1647
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: other stuff we've recorded. Explained yourself, everybody, And I feel

1648
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: like you've been built defensive because people have been saying, oh, yeah,

1649
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. Man, screw it, don't be defen

1650
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: We just did don't explain it. That's right, just did

1651
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 1: our thing, did it and it's awesome, Thank you, thank you.

1652
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: That's it. Likewise, no, you do care about me. I did.

1653
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 1: It's true, though, you're doing your thing definitely Bellerini's album title,

1654
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:12,680
Speaker 1: but it's true. I mean, you're doing your thing and

1655
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: you have a huge following and it's massively successful because

1656
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: you're doing I want to talk about me. You gotta

1657
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: shake that explanation. I don't have to explain how many

1658
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,600
Speaker 1: number ones you have as an artist, three okay, and

1659
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: how many of you written on two? So it's funny.

1660
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: The nineteen You and Me was one of our biggest songs,

1661
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,479
Speaker 1: went to number eleven on the chart. That's all that

1662
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: song went, you know, Keith said to me. I went

1663
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: to Uh, it doesn't matter. I was hanging with Keith.

1664
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: I started name dropping too much, even I know myself,

1665
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: so I start, I'm hanging with youither everyone We're talking

1666
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: about songs, and he's like, man, he's like, I don't

1667
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:51,600
Speaker 1: know if it was Stupid Boy or whatever. It was like,

1668
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't the number one song, and it's what, I

1669
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: don't remember which one it was specifically, like our favorite song,

1670
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, yes, And he was like, it wasn't the

1671
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 1: number one song, but it's the one that just want

1672
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: me to play the most. The fans don't know. They

1673
01:13:03,240 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: don't care. If they love a song and it hits

1674
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,600
Speaker 1: them like it makes them feel something, they don't care

1675
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: where it ends up. We in this town, we care,

1676
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 1: and everybody out there I care. I want our songs

1677
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 1: are good at number one, obviously, do you want to eat? Yeah,

1678
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,479
Speaker 1: it's rewarding. I mean, it doesn't get any higher than

1679
01:13:16,560 --> 01:13:18,639
Speaker 1: going number one. So that's that's a great place except

1680
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:21,919
Speaker 1: number one for two weeks. Listen, there's place I'm gonna spill.

1681
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:26,400
Speaker 1: That's why top. But the fans if it connects, like

1682
01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: we've had stuff diet thirty five on the chart that

1683
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 1: pop off at our shows. I talked to Thomas read

1684
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,160
Speaker 1: about this. See here I go to name drop vacation,

1685
01:13:33,320 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: vacation that to him get crushed him to the song

1686
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:38,560
Speaker 1: didn't do that well at all. Yeah, and he's like,

1687
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:40,280
Speaker 1: I play it live and people freak out. We we

1688
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 1: were in the back of the bus and he he

1689
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: was about to go to radio with that song, and

1690
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,720
Speaker 1: he said there was like eleven guys that had hit

1691
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 1: him up and said I will never play this song.

1692
01:13:47,800 --> 01:13:49,120
Speaker 1: And he was like, you know what, it's so good

1693
01:13:49,160 --> 01:13:51,600
Speaker 1: at my show. If we can get any visibility on

1694
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 1: this song, it's going to be even better in the show.

1695
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 1: So screw it, and that that was awesome. That was

1696
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 1: a risky. That was a bold move at him, and

1697
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:59,240
Speaker 1: it's I mean we toured with him. It goes off

1698
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 1: at his shop. Yeah. He even played in New Year's

1699
01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,360
Speaker 1: Eve and I texted him afterward. I was like, dude,

1700
01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 1: it was great. I don't care what stupid radio says.

1701
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: And I love radio and I hate radio, and I

1702
01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: can be both. Now, radio is in country music is

1703
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: the driving force behind what we do. It's like, you

1704
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 1: want to have hits, but I mean it would be

1705
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: a lot tougher for Thomas started to put out vacation

1706
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: had he not a die happy man? You know, so

1707
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: you know, and we'll end on this. What's frustrating for

1708
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 1: me is I wish there were a way because people

1709
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: aren't buying music as much, they're streaming more. Not totally,

1710
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:34,320
Speaker 1: but a large market share is is streaming music. I

1711
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 1: wish there was a legitimate way to see how many

1712
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: people are playing the song because we're not knowing people's algorithms.

1713
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: I've said this before Spotify, for example, I have friends

1714
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:44,599
Speaker 1: that have thirteen million plays on a song and they

1715
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 1: can't sell fifty people at a bar. And then I

1716
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: have some friends that have three thousand and they can

1717
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: sell hard tickets. It's interesting, it's so weird. What's the metric?

1718
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:55,080
Speaker 1: You know? How do you do? They don't tell us.

1719
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: They also Apple also doesn't reveal theirs. No one reveals theirs,

1720
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: but I would s there with some kind of real like,

1721
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,200
Speaker 1: this is how I would do it in a perfect world.

1722
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 1: First of all, the would be legislation, but there should

1723
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: be anyway for songwriters. But in order to say a

1724
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:13,600
Speaker 1: song played this much because it's used for data, it

1725
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: has to actually be played singularly for a certain amount

1726
01:15:18,320 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 1: of time. We don't know if a song is just

1727
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: on a playlist. If one song gets played on the place,

1728
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: everybody gets an account of a spin, nobody knows and

1729
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 1: it probably doesn't, but we don't know. And I wish

1730
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: there was a way to quantify that, but since it's

1731
01:15:30,160 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: all private, they don't have to. I just wish there

1732
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: were away because it would make my life easier to go, oh,

1733
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 1: that's what people are really listening to. Because music with

1734
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 1: Spotify with title that you can't look at those numbers

1735
01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,160
Speaker 1: because again they're artists. I've never even heard of that.

1736
01:15:48,360 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 1: And I have no problem with people gaming the system

1737
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 1: buying YouTube views, buying. That's just part of the game.

1738
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: And I've been guilty of it too. Yeah, you can't

1739
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 1: Kevin tickets and Absolute Metric. What I've ever used it

1740
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,600
Speaker 1: for when I gained the system is two like to

1741
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: get guests when I was starting off in Austin, right,

1742
01:16:11,200 --> 01:16:12,479
Speaker 1: I would do all this stuff and make the show

1743
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,280
Speaker 1: look bigger because people didn't know the show would see

1744
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:16,719
Speaker 1: the number. Oh they must be bigger. Let them book.

1745
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 1: It was always for a later habits repressed too. We'll

1746
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: get a hit up for an interview. Is like this

1747
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: blog gets this many million views or whatever, and we're like,

1748
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 1: it seems like a great opportunity, let's do it. And

1749
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: it's like, is that real? I don't know. Nothing is real. Yeah,

1750
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,000
Speaker 1: And as long as you know, nothing is really right now,

1751
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: we might have goggles on. So my point is, I

1752
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: wish there was some sort of thing to look at

1753
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: where they used to actually beat record sales. But even

1754
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: then people would buy bulk records themselves. It was maybe

1755
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: even easier than for just a common common artists to

1756
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 1: do it. Nothing is real. The only thing that's real

1757
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: are people's faces that come to shows and buy tickets.

1758
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: That's the only real thing. Now is a great time

1759
01:16:53,720 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 1: to be a new artist, though, because there's so many

1760
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 1: platforms to get your music out there. You and you

1761
01:16:58,439 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: can make music in your bedroom. You can blow up

1762
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 1: a laptop. We made our first record on my laptop,

1763
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can with technology. I agree. Here's where

1764
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: I disagree. Counterpoint, there's so many new artists because it

1765
01:17:09,200 --> 01:17:11,599
Speaker 1: makes your job harder. It makes radio, it makes even

1766
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,639
Speaker 1: the artist job harder. But it makes the quality better

1767
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,520
Speaker 1: because that many more people are competing. So as the consumer,

1768
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 1: it makes it better for us exactly because what we're

1769
01:17:20,880 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: getting is the best of the best of the best.

1770
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: It's really good. Yeah, I mean, there's some really good

1771
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 1: songs on country radio and they're all fighting for that

1772
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:29,600
Speaker 1: same spot. It is hard to get a song up

1773
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: the chart, and the charges stupid. Don't even start about

1774
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: the charts. There's so many songs and they're all great

1775
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 1: because they're not all great. There's big turns at how

1776
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 1: or if you look on YouTube you look up so

1777
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,320
Speaker 1: and so's cover of certain songs, like so many of

1778
01:17:44,360 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: these kids should all have record deals. They're all great

1779
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:49,000
Speaker 1: because are you know most of them are great because

1780
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: I don't know, there's other people that are doing it.

1781
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:53,639
Speaker 1: There's just like a lot I don't know. The access

1782
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: is there's so much access, and yeah, it's a little

1783
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,680
Speaker 1: oversaturated when you're an artist and you're like, grap he's

1784
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 1: really good too. But for the it where You're right.

1785
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,400
Speaker 1: There's so much good stuff and it's it's the access

1786
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: for it. You can listen anywhere Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon,

1787
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even mention Amazon, like there, that's

1788
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 1: a huge infrastructure. Well, uh, tequila is out. While we're

1789
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: looking at time frame for a full record, I'm working

1790
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,880
Speaker 1: on it tonight. I was working on it today. So

1791
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:22,560
Speaker 1: we're in the process right now. We've recorded maybe like

1792
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,200
Speaker 1: a quarter year sometime this year the middle of the area. Yeah,

1793
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: we'll probably sprinkle out a few songs and in the meantime,

1794
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:32,479
Speaker 1: but pumps when we when we hang up here, I'll

1795
01:18:32,479 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 1: play you a few things. Are we on the phone

1796
01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,719
Speaker 1: right now? I don't listen. I don't listen to songs.

1797
01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 1: You just don't like songs. No, no, no, I don't

1798
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: listen to songs. Early. I've come from my friends. The

1799
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 1: only people listen to it with you. When Keith Urban

1800
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: sent you a song once, yeah, you brought you how

1801
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: to listen to? I just what Keith sends you this song?

1802
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,599
Speaker 1: Come on, you literally blew up And it was said

1803
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 1: Keith on it and I was like Keith who, And

1804
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 1: You're like you try to play it off? And it

1805
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 1: was Keith Urban sent a new song or a demo.

1806
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: For some reason. He does send me new every time

1807
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: he sends me new songs, like two or three weeks.

1808
01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 1: He's the coolest guy is. When he was on your

1809
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:08,679
Speaker 1: show and he was playing the mashup of all his hits,

1810
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: I was like, he just wins. He he is. I

1811
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:14,720
Speaker 1: don't want to gush about him too much, but he is.

1812
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 1: He's awesome and as a person even better as an artist, insane,

1813
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: just like elevates the game every single time, and anybody

1814
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 1: that works with goes, oh yeah, I used to think

1815
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:26,800
Speaker 1: somebody was good and took Keiths gut in. It's kind

1816
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,439
Speaker 1: of like humiliating sometimes, you know. So I don't listen

1817
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,840
Speaker 1: to music because here's why I hate having to do

1818
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: the oh yeah, oh I'm yeah. And if I do

1819
01:19:37,479 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: listen to music, I do it and it's so rare.

1820
01:19:39,479 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even listen to Stapleton's record he sent it

1821
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 1: to me early said, Chris, I'm not gonna listen to

1822
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 1: it because I want to experience it with my people

1823
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:51,080
Speaker 1: like that. So yeah, I probably listen to the kids

1824
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:54,040
Speaker 1: if it was a single over a text, But you

1825
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: and I as I'm thinking about listening to music. We

1826
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,719
Speaker 1: had an early bond over Walker Hayes too, Yeah, because

1827
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: when I first heard I was like oh and you

1828
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:04,160
Speaker 1: were like oh you text me like, oh yeah, it's

1829
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:05,800
Speaker 1: off the wall listen and Halloween. Yeah, we took him

1830
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 1: on tour and so yeah, yeah, he's prolific. To have

1831
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 1: your words smith Man, you've written a song with the movie, Yes,

1832
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:16,880
Speaker 1: we wrote Nama Stay Together Sick. Yeah, he's brilliant. He's

1833
01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: another guy who is like one step ahead of everybody

1834
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:20,840
Speaker 1: in the room. You just can't catch up, so you

1835
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 1: just go along for the ride. When he starts using words.

1836
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: He's a poet. It's insane in his flow. His jawline

1837
01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:33,880
Speaker 1: go on and gone on, shoulders, shoulders an pretty. He's

1838
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,400
Speaker 1: insane and he's got He had all his kids. So

1839
01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: we wrote Amy's It might do three more minutes and

1840
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: I'll be done. I'm here all night. We could literally

1841
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: do this three hours and just talk about music. But

1842
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 1: um we went over to uh when Amy's kids came

1843
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 1: in from Haiti. So some friends came over to Amy's

1844
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: and it was all just people in our circle because

1845
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: it was a very personal thing for her and totally

1846
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 1: but in our circle. There are some artists and it

1847
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,720
Speaker 1: was Walker, it was Eric Pass with Steve Mockler. I

1848
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: grew up with Steve. Really my guy. Yeah, nic the

1849
01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:10,080
Speaker 1: best I mean immigrades, so it's sound nice, the nicest people.

1850
01:21:10,360 --> 01:21:13,960
Speaker 1: So another brilliant songwriter in words Smith. Walker had his

1851
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:19,360
Speaker 1: kids and all uh six of them were there and

1852
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 1: it was the first time I've ever seen them all

1853
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:23,760
Speaker 1: together at one point, and it was really he was

1854
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 1: a story. But they're all like they're also well behaved.

1855
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,839
Speaker 1: He's so fertile, so fertile. This is so buff and fertile.

1856
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:34,120
Speaker 1: He was. We were out on tour Thomas Rhett and

1857
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 1: Walker was on the tour as well, and he brought

1858
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 1: them all out and they were like they would all

1859
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:38,439
Speaker 1: sit down, they would It was like they were so

1860
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:42,160
Speaker 1: well be Yeah. He showed up and and we um

1861
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 1: if we played a show where we didn't fly because

1862
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 1: that he opened for me doing stand up, which he

1863
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 1: was the perfect opener because he had so much energy

1864
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 1: even by himself with yes. So he shows up and

1865
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:53,600
Speaker 1: I said, oh, you got a new bus, like a

1866
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:56,640
Speaker 1: small like sprinter van. Yeah, it's like, hey gotta He was, no, no, no,

1867
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 1: that's just our family car. He said, I just drove it.

1868
01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you have six kids, you have to have

1869
01:22:01,200 --> 01:22:03,920
Speaker 1: a big audio billy. They rented like a church fan

1870
01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:05,640
Speaker 1: or something when we were out and he had to

1871
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: drive the kids. Really his wife line, he's awesome to him.

1872
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: He's a guy that I really root for. Man. He

1873
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: obviously loved the music when I heard it online. First,

1874
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 1: that's hit you about it, and we talked about Halloween,

1875
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 1: but getting no him out on the road, like hearing

1876
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: his story. And when I heard that, Craig's honestly crowd.

1877
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: When I did so, I texted him immediately because I

1878
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:24,960
Speaker 1: wouldn't listen to it earlier. We were crying thinking about it.

1879
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: Right now, we're working on my stuff and Walker was

1880
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,400
Speaker 1: producing it because we wrote that song together. And then

1881
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:31,760
Speaker 1: what I said, what can we produce? He's I never

1882
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:33,519
Speaker 1: produced anything. I was like, it doesn't matter if you

1883
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 1: have that instinct. You have that instinct. So we go on.

1884
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: He's producing it. He I want you to hear Craig,

1885
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,840
Speaker 1: did you do it at the shack? I said, we

1886
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 1: wrote it at the shack. We produced at a different place,

1887
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,880
Speaker 1: but we did write it in the shack. And so

1888
01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:48,880
Speaker 1: then I said I'm not gonna listen to any song

1889
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: with you. But then I had it when it came out,

1890
01:22:52,160 --> 01:22:54,400
Speaker 1: and I bought the record and I listen to Craig

1891
01:22:54,439 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: and I cried and I don't cry, and I texted him, said, ude,

1892
01:22:56,760 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 1: I just cried during the song. I was so in

1893
01:22:58,560 --> 01:22:59,800
Speaker 1: We were in Europe and I was like on the

1894
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: headmill and I literally heard him start and I had

1895
01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,599
Speaker 1: to get off the treadmill and like listen to the words,

1896
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,519
Speaker 1: and I broke. It was insane. I played it on

1897
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:10,160
Speaker 1: the show, and I played it twice and I think

1898
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,240
Speaker 1: I went to number seven. I wasn't in the top two.

1899
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: That's how. That's how not a mean thing. That's my listeners.

1900
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,679
Speaker 1: It cut through to them so hard, so quick. You listen.

1901
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:22,519
Speaker 1: They're smart and they they've picked songs like I mean.

1902
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:24,320
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we're trying to do with this

1903
01:23:24,439 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 1: next record, is pick songs that make people feel something,

1904
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,760
Speaker 1: made people react. Don't just pick it because it's up

1905
01:23:29,800 --> 01:23:31,960
Speaker 1: tempo and sounds like, you know, quote unquote what a

1906
01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,040
Speaker 1: hit would sound like if somebody if we had a

1907
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 1: song like Craig and played it for people and they

1908
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:37,880
Speaker 1: reacted like that, I don't know. I hope a guy

1909
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 1: like Walker Hayes will take chances and put songs like

1910
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,639
Speaker 1: that out as his singles because like he can change

1911
01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 1: the game with that. Yeah he can. Well, we're gonna wrap.

1912
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 1: This has when one of the longer ones in the

1913
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:51,920
Speaker 1: history because time had no measurement as we were talking.

1914
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 1: That's right. It was like one of those first dates

1915
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:55,360
Speaker 1: we know each other wild one of tho first dates

1916
01:23:55,400 --> 01:23:56,680
Speaker 1: where time just goes by and you all of a

1917
01:23:56,720 --> 01:23:58,200
Speaker 1: sudden you look up at six am and the sun's

1918
01:23:58,200 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: coming out. Send you to hear the Colby kelis. Yeah, yeah,

1919
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:04,280
Speaker 1: next time, we got it. Next time, Okay, Dan smiles.

1920
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 1: From Dan and Shay, we learned which I wanted to

1921
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: know a lot of pre Dan and Shay. You can

1922
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 1: find all the Danna say stuff online just google it.

1923
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: I didn't know a lot. I didn't know you played

1924
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: running back in high school. I didn't know you played

1925
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 1: college football. I didn't then a lot of stuff I

1926
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,320
Speaker 1: didn't know. I know you're stealing from the man apologize

1927
01:24:20,360 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 1: for man back. All right, Thank you very much. What

1928
01:24:23,320 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: episodes this with Dan Smyers. Thank you very much for

1929
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:30,600
Speaker 1: listening to the podcast. And uh Daniel Bradbery should be

1930
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 1: in a couple of days, right, two days. Yeah, yeah,

1931
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: we had to postpone that one because of the ice.

1932
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: Uh so that would be the next one up. Thank

1933
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:38,760
Speaker 1: you very much, we'll see you next time. Fight