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Speaker 1: welcome to Patriot's Unfiltered. Are we going? There's no little

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Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered. We are alive from Gillette's Stadium. It is

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Speaker 1: Thursday here, and uh, it's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul

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Speaker 1: Faith in the boothe Yeah, you're gonna do this solo,

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Speaker 1: Made that move while ago, and they never really came

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Speaker 1: finalists for the twenty twenty three Patriots Hall and Fame

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Speaker 1: Induction have been announced Logan Mankins, Bill Parcels, and Mike

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Speaker 1: like when you have a team hall of Fame or

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Speaker 1: that's the kind of guy in his impact off the

424
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Speaker 1: field that should count for a team hall of Fame.

425
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:48,160
Speaker 1: I like, we're not talking about Canton, We're talking about Foxborough, right,

426
00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: this is a guy. Like I'm telling you, if you

427
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 1: heard the argument, you would have been like it. And

428
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: again it makes you think, didn't it Fred, Like I'm

429
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: not alone? Right, better case than parcels. And I won't

430
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: say it on the because I don't want to embarrass anybody,

431
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: but the person who made the argument made it all

432
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: the more stunning that it was so like it was excellent.

433
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 1: It's it's like I wasn't expecting the amount of research,

434
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 1: like it was really And then and then the other

435
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 1: guy that you know, I know he was a good player,

436
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,800
Speaker 1: but I never considered him, but the argument kind of

437
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:23,880
Speaker 1: was lawyer. A lawyer should be in the Hall. I mean,

438
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 1: his numbers are better than Rodney Harris. He's in trouble

439
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,160
Speaker 1: because of the log jam, but that's should he Definitely

440
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: he's a Hall of fan. Just just to go back

441
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: to mostly real quick. I mean, you know, as a

442
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: Patriots fan growing up around here, he was one of

443
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: the only players I really knew. And I mean I

444
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,199
Speaker 1: called them mostly too poopoos when I was a little kid.

445
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: I mean I was like seven six years old, but

446
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 1: that was what I call him. I mean, checking if

447
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Speaker 1: you asked me who was my favorite player, probably for

448
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,040
Speaker 1: the Patriots. It was probably mostly to toopo. See. I

449
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 1: always just looked him as like special teams. Is that

450
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,920
Speaker 1: what he did? I don't remember. Yeah, I mean Peter

451
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,199
Speaker 1: was Matthew Slater only he played some yeah, offense, especially

452
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Speaker 1: in bad weather. Running back, Yeah, running back, Yeah, he

453
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: was running. He was a plotter. My cousin did a

454
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 1: couple of hundred yard games in the se He averaged

455
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 1: over my five yards to carry or something like that,

456
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: because my cousin dated Lofa who went to King Philip

457
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,119
Speaker 1: and had a little bit of a career with like

458
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: Maine and the went to Seattle. Yeah good. Plus see

459
00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: he was a good player, yep. Yeah, funny. I don't

460
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: even remember, Like, I don't even know what that, but

461
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 1: you know what, just the amount of research that went

462
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,920
Speaker 1: into it was was quite impressive. And I came away

463
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,239
Speaker 1: from it like I didn't I'm not gonna lie, like

464
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: I told you, I had no brainers to me from

465
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: my my finalists. Um, but I came away from like, wow,

466
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: that's that. We should be thinking of guys like that

467
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: a little bit more than we do. You probably get there,

468
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean I think now you're just trying to get through.

469
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 1: You know this, lad Jam is not going to go

470
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: away to that point in you two, I think our

471
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: good perspective allowing two guys in for a little while.

472
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,679
Speaker 1: Is that totally off the table, because I believe it is.

473
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: But we've we've talked about it, we've advocated for it

474
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,719
Speaker 1: because now that guys like Brady and Edelman and Gronk

475
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: and all these guys are gonna start coming up, So

476
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: then guys like Rabel forget about like once Brady, this

477
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: is where the missteps of earlier years have hurt. Like

478
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: Rabel should be in, Like Rabel seven years is waiting

479
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: seven while Matt Light's in? I mean, what are we doing? Yeah,

480
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: it would be an epic speech though after seven years,

481
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he would probably give so much craft to

482
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: all the fans there. It's about time. I mean. But yeah, Evan,

483
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: Fred and I have talked to Stacy a little bit

484
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: all about it, and I understand Stacy's point completely. You

485
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: have to sort of establish some some guidelines and parameters

486
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: and you can't just go willy nilly. I think that

487
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: they've tried to set up a senior committee that meets,

488
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 1: was it every three years or something like that um

489
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,760
Speaker 1: to put in, Like you know, the Leon Grays of

490
00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: the world. You know that they're never going to get

491
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Speaker 1: in on the ballot Um the only one I think

492
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: that we might be able to, Like, I think Brady

493
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: could be just put in and then we should I

494
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: personally think we should still do a regular nomination ceremony

495
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 1: that year. Brady should be a different entity all all

496
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 1: to itself. Yeah, same with Bill Beligiate. Yeah. Um, we

497
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 1: shouldn't have to you know, go through the fan voting,

498
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: you know, the process of that and subject that. So

499
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 1: maybe two people, like if it's Brady and then it

500
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: happens to be Welker that year, you know, Brady goes

501
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 1: in on his own ceremony and Welker gets the summer fete.

502
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,679
Speaker 1: Yeah you know. But there is no discussion about Brady

503
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: going in now. No, No, not yet, No, no, because

504
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 1: he might unretire. Is that No? I think it's too quick.

505
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: The committee has no say in that, right that would

506
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: be an organization decision. Like you know, we talked about

507
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 1: Dante Um cool moment, Fred right um when Robert Kraft

508
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: came into the meeting. I think I talked to you

509
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: guys about this off air He came into the meeting

510
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: and just basically announced that he's only um used his

511
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: executive privilege on a handful of occasions to just name

512
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer. And he did it with Dante

513
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 1: Scarnekia and it was a cool moment. The whole room

514
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,439
Speaker 1: got up game him up standing. Oh, I think with

515
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 1: Brady though, he's just like a buffer year at least

516
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: to just let let things settle. You have to prepare

517
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: for that. And I can't just say, oh, yeah, he's well, okay,

518
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 1: now what. I just want to read this email just

519
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: in case other people were thinking about this, and whoever

520
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: email you are wrong, he says, if you're going to

521
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 1: give fans a choice, he can't rig the vote. You

522
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: guys know full well that Parcels will never get a

523
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 1: plurality of the fan vote in any three way race,

524
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Speaker 1: at least while he is alive. That needs to be

525
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: a Kraft family insert like Dante. Why does that have

526
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: to do with rigging, right, Those two things are not

527
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, I agree he'll never win. Yeah, but

528
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 1: but I can tell you these votes are not rigged.

529
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: You know, because I have heard a lot of people say, oh,

530
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 1: the Crafts will never let Parcels in. They this is

531
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: not rigged. They may not like it, but if he

532
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: gets voted in, he's going in. And I also don't

533
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: necessarily believe that the craft will never let him in, right,

534
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: that's I think that. I think that's if, if, if,

535
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: and when he gets in, I think that will be out. Yeah,

536
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 1: But like I said, right now, it's Parcels, Rabel, Mankins.

537
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 1: There's a reason that the fans can can make to

538
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: not vote for somebody. Parcels will always be against two

539
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: other guys that are more attractive in the fans eyes. Ryan,

540
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: Who's the person who's in his email. He says. Also similarly,

541
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: Rabel will never win so long as he is the

542
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: head coach of a rival NFL team. That means whoever

543
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: the third choice is will win by default. Congrats Logan Manker.

544
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: That's that's what Mike thinks. Yeah, he thinks Mankins will

545
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: get in this and he says, in the future, I

546
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: suggest a committee make sure that there are at least

547
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 1: two viable candidates in the ballot to make this a

548
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: more worthy exercise. Also, whatever happened to the maybe he

549
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 1: should run. So so we don't think that Mike Rabel

550
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: and Logan Mankins a viable candidates. Yeah, I mean you

551
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: want to parcel is a different thing. He elicits strong

552
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: responses from different people, and I respect them, I really do.

553
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: I respect Evan and Fred No. I mean to me,

554
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 1: it's a strong yes, but I respect their nos and

555
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: I know why. I understand it. But you're telling me

556
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: that Logan Mankins is not a viable candidate. Mike Rabel's

557
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: not a viable candidate. Well, I think he's. I think

558
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: he's saying in terms of fan voting, they're not. You

559
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: don't think Mike Rabel's viable in terms of fan voting.

560
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: That's what he's saying. Yeah, here's because he's the head

561
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: coach of Arrival. And if yeah, if you think that's

562
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: why he's not getting in your out of your mind? Right,

563
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: here's my two things on Parcels. Number one, everybody always

564
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: credits him with laying the foundation for Dynasty one point zero,

565
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: but correct the man himself famously said, if I can't

566
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: shop for the groceries, how do you expect me to

567
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: make the dinner? So how can you sit here and

568
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: say that? But where? Okay? So that's what they took

569
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: his power away that's why he left, But I had

570
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: the power before that. I just feel like that that

571
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: element of it gets ignored. And the other thing that

572
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: I would say is the way that he coached in

573
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 1: that Super Bowl was deplorable. I did, I agree having

574
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: allowing Belichick to have Lourie Malloy one on one with

575
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: Antonio Freeman to get beat for an eighty one yard

576
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: touchdown was inexcusable. I would have fired him that day.

577
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: I just allowing Belichick to screw that Super Bowl up

578
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: the way I see no like. I just I've heard

579
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: these arguments so many times, and I just can't grasp

580
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: the fact that he threw the Super Bowl. I'm not

581
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: saying a lot of people say his mind wasn't on

582
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: the game. Okay, okay, that's different than yeah, you don't

583
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: think he did everything in his power to win that game,

584
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't. I not alone if

585
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: you don't. I don't think he was one vested I do.

586
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: I think the way that the game unfolded, they ended

587
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: up having a much better chance of winning the game

588
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: than maybe we thought going into the game. And we're

589
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: still naive at the time. I was all win well regardless,

590
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: but they thought they were going to beat the Bears.

591
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: They had a way better chance as it unfolded. They

592
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: had a lead in the second half, and they didn't

593
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 1: have a lead in the second half of the game.

594
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: They had a lead at halftime, Yeah they did not.

595
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: It was fourteen to ten after the first quarter. They

596
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: were down twenty seven fourteen at the half. Look it up.

597
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: He definitely has a better memory for these things. I

598
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: know they had a better team. You know, my snark

599
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: with the coverage, you know, is just that it's snark.

600
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: They lost to a better team. Yeah, they lost to

601
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: a better team, But I think as the game unfolded,

602
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: they actually had a puncher's chance in the game to

603
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 1: win it. They did have a chance, and some of

604
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: the coaching decisions were a big reason why. What was

605
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: the coaching decision that Parcels made that was why they

606
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: didn't have a chance. He's the head coach of the team.

607
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: It's the same way that we give criticism to build now.

608
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: But I mean, is it the coaching decision to allow

609
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: three fifty plush yard touchdowns in the game? It was

610
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: that a Parcel's decision. If you ask me, it's a

611
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: coaching decision to kick off the Esmond Howard. Okay, that's

612
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: a fair point. I think you have to kick off.

613
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: What about not playing Troy Brown on specialty? It's hurt?

614
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: He was still better than the guys I had in there.

615
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: How do you know? He said? So Brown? Oh okay,

616
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: he said he could have played. Yeah, but said he

617
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: was madd he didn't play. Of course he was madd

618
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: he didn't play. But was he was he healthy enough?

619
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: Of course he does, but was he probably? Like how

620
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: many guys are go out there and play hurt but

621
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: they really shouldn't have. My point is million with Desmond Howard,

622
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: when you go up against a returner like that, when

623
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: you go up against the Devin Hester, when you go

624
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: up against somebody at that caliber, you have a plan

625
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: going into the game of we're gonna kick away from him,

626
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: we're gonna squib, we're gonna do something to avoid giving

627
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: him an opportunity like he had to return it. And

628
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: the other thing I would say is if you go

629
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: back and watch that that game, Reggie White takes over

630
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: the game and they did nothing to slow him down.

631
00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: They just leave. When did he take over the game?

632
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: The fourth quarter when they were down what fourteen points,

633
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: so you could no longer do what keep a tight

634
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: end to chip Reggie White. I listen, I know, I

635
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: know all the hits. The hits have been played over

636
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: and over and over. Max Lane and Ben Coates did

637
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: fine against Reggie White for three quarters of that game.

638
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,719
Speaker 1: They were down fourteen in the fourth quarter and they

639
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: couldn't do that anymore. They had to throw on every

640
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,239
Speaker 1: down and they had to have Ben Coates part of that.

641
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: They were down fourteen because he kicked out and Reggie

642
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: White took the game over like great Hall of Fame

643
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: players due which gets me back to my original point.

644
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: They lost to a better team. Yeah, they had a chance.

645
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: I agree with Evan. They had a chance. They were

646
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: after the first quarter. But then it would you actually

647
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: have to look it up or were you? Evan just

648
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: gave me the benefit of the Dalton said, I know

649
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: he knows correct of fourteen ten and then yeah, yeah,

650
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven fourteen. Then the Patriots made it, uh twenty

651
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: seven twenty one on a Curtis Martin eighteen yard touchdown run.

652
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: And then right after this is why I just said,

653
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: Paul knows this is my These are my guys, Paul,

654
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: this is this is our like peak fan boy, Paul. Yeah,

655
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: oh you're so mad after this the fight you weren't fight.

656
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: I almost I was mad because I knew he was leaving. Yeah,

657
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: that's what I was mad. I spent the whole game. Yeah,

658
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 1: Week sixteen at at the Meadowlands against the Giants. It's

659
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: a Saturday, and the Patriots had that. They were down

660
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: twenty two nothing. They came back and one twenty three

661
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 1: twenty two and uh, he's walking. We were like in

662
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: the first row. He's walking out. Literally, me and my idiot.

663
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: You know. Alfrem Evert was one of them, you know,

664
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: the famous alfrem ever on the radio. We're all screaming,

665
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: tune up, please don't leave, Please tell what to the

666
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: He is a five hundred coach with the Patriots. I

667
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: mean based on what he took over and what he

668
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: what he built. I mean I knew you had one, yeah,

669
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:57,959
Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean that one's a little bit

670
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: more like even the hater with my thing, my thing.

671
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 1: He took over the sport, my thing with parcels. It

672
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: took some time more behind the scenes of why he

673
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: shouldn't be in a team Hall of Fame. It's because

674
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 1: what he put the owner through every year from from

675
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: day one, from the first year, the craft only, I

676
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: don't know way coach next year two way Street two.

677
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: He started it from day one because he they didn't

678
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: give him what they give Belichick. If they gave him

679
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: what to get Belichick, it wouldn't have been like he

680
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 1: didn't even this is the first year, Paul. They it

681
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: hadn't even started yet. I know, I'm not sure. I'm

682
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: not blaming I'm not blaming Robert Kraft for being a

683
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: rookie owner. He said was I don't know if I'm

684
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: gonna come back next year, right, every year he go

685
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: through this and do you think of No, it was

686
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: because Bill just likes to keep parcels. Was a drama

687
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: queen because he's not a team players. That's ridiculous. But

688
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: he had a beer with the media, so he's on

689
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 1: the five. He cracked good jokes during press conferences. Yeah,

690
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: like when he told the guy it was a stupid question.

691
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: Dumb ass let him. He let the media into his right.

692
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: It wasn't that he They would go into the office,

693
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: right and he would like just do a little press conference.

694
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, yea, yeah, right in the office there he

695
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: talked to me in the park what he was charming.

696
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: He could be charming. I'm sure. I think Bill can

697
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: be charming in his own way. I do. I've said

698
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: a lot of bad things. Vastly higher station in life

699
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: than the two Bills are cut from the same cloth,

700
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: there's no doubt about it. But Parcels had a way

701
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: with the media. He had a way to make it entertaining,

702
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: you know. But they both never told you anything. Yeah,

703
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, Bill Belichick learned a lot of the stuff

704
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: that he does now from Parcels. He just has a

705
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: different personality. A lot of this Parcels stuff just sounds

706
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: like an abuser, like you know, like like he's just

707
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: he's he always keeps you guessing, and then it's really nice, true,

708
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: but then he's ADDICTI most of the time. That one

709
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 1: time I was walking in my car and he stopped

710
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: and talked to me for ten minutes. To the guy

711
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 1: who said, I'm so glad it wasn't the combine he

712
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: talked to me once. And the other thing, the other

713
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: thing that gets thrown around in the room a lot

714
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: is Parcels saved the Patriots. If it wasn't for Parcels,

715
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: they wouldn't be here, which is such bs. If it

716
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: wasn't for Robert Kraft, they'd be in Saint Louis. And

717
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,959
Speaker 1: if you wanted to say, what Parcels the then gift

718
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: James Orthwine the credit because he hired Parcels. Okay, you know,

719
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: let's let's if we want to because I think if

720
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,520
Speaker 1: Parcels wasn't the coach, they were gone. Where were they going?

721
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:42,879
Speaker 1: I don't know where they were gone. Now I don't

722
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: really care because three years later they have been a

723
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: team here because Boston was going to have an NFL team.

724
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: So I don't really don't care. I don't care if

725
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,439
Speaker 1: Parcels was the coach, if Kraft hadn't bought the team,

726
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: they'd have been in Saint Louis. They'd have been the

727
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Stallions. They already had the logo. Maybe it's

728
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: maybe it's a fact. No, it's not. We'd have to

729
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: ray didn't move. If it was, if they moved, the

730
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: craft the police. If they moved and came back, then

731
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: it would be a fact they didn't move. I also

732
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: Crafts saved them to Crafts saved the team and kept

733
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,479
Speaker 1: them here. That that that's a that's a fact, and

734
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: if I agree with you, and that's why I'm not

735
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: giving Parcels any credit for that. And I think we've

736
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: also learned since twenty and twenty who really is the

737
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: reason why we all have all of this right and

738
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: is right? So so Parcels he laid the foundation. Well,

739
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: then Tom Brady came and he won six freaking Super Bowls, okay,

740
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: and then he left and now we're where we're at.

741
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: So who really was the one that was the foundation

742
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: to that team? I think it was the freaking quarterback. God,

743
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: I still have I still have everything you guys have said,

744
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 1: but I still have some warm feelings for the guy,

745
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: and I like that's fine. But we're talking about a

746
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: team of Mike, and he belongs in it for the

747
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: reasons that Mike then put him in as we thought

748
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: of our team. He doesn't listen, doesn't deserve it over

749
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: the players. I would agree with that, ye like if

750
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 1: you if I'm if I'm doing a hierarchy. That's why

751
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 1: Parcels was not my ballot this year. It was Welker,

752
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: Rabel Mankins one two three. I agree with Evan, the

753
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: players deserve more than than that particular coach. I would

754
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: agree with that, and that's the whole like that, like

755
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: in a team Hall of Fame, I think everything Mike

756
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: set is right, Like, yes, okay, technically, maybe you have

757
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,959
Speaker 1: more information on the move than I do. Fred, maybe

758
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: they would have moved anyway. But Parcels changed the entire

759
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: way everybody in this town thought about football because no

760
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: one ever knew a thing about He was great and

761
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: he came here and gave you instant credit because that's

762
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: true because he was a great coach and already had

763
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: two rings changed it. But when he got here, he

764
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: was he like he absolutely was a pain. He could

765
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: give two craps about the Patriots. All they cared about

766
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: was Bill Parts. I don't care because the two were synonymous. Uh.

767
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: I just real quick for you, um Fairbanks, I mean

768
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: same same things, but just for Evan who's you know,

769
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 1: scheme guy. And I mean I just I always think

770
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. I don't know if enough people appreciate it,

771
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: but you know, both of the kind of schemes like

772
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: we're started here in the seventies by you know, Chuck Fairbanks,

773
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Ray Perkins, Like I just I interested, Like what yere

774
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 1: you on on Chucks. So last was it last year

775
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: that Don Corriel got into the Pro Football Hall of Fame? Finally, ridiculous?

776
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 1: Is that ridiculous? There's literally an offensive system named after

777
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: care It's called the air Correl. Don't don't add him?

778
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: So what do you mean? It's a it's a it's

779
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 1: an X and those game. And he's like the pioneer

780
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: of the forward. We're gonna give like whoever came up

781
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 1: with the cover two put them in the Hall of Fame. No,

782
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: but okay, well, as long as you're on now. But

783
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: is kind of but Wilkinson came up with Bud Wilkins

784
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: and came up with the three four defense. Is he

785
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: going in? Yes? Is? Yeah? He's a college football Hall

786
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: of Famer because he didn't really coach in the NFL

787
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: all that long. But yes, the answer to all of

788
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: these questions. And Paul Brown's the next one because he

789
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: pretty much invented everything else. Paul Brown. Okay, I'm okay,

790
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:22,839
Speaker 1: but innovators are special. Friend. When when a system, oh,

791
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: he threw the ball a lot, so they called that

792
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: air correl. The air Correl came out in what the

793
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: late sixties, early seventies, right, it's still in the NFL

794
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: fifty years later. It's still a play calling system in

795
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: the NFL. I mean, Ray Perkins is definitely a guy

796
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: that that is on my list as well. I mean,

797
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: it's the we still run the Ernhard Perkins offense. We think,

798
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: I have no idea what last year was, but we

799
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: still run the Ernhard Perkins offense. And you know, these

800
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: are people that I think deserve it, but I think

801
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: they deserve it. And I kind of think this way

802
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 1: about Parcels. This is what the control abut your category

803
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: is all about. Right? The contributor category is there for

804
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 1: people like Don Corriel, like Dante Scarneckia, like Ernie Adams

805
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: that don't should not be on the player ballot, but

806
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 1: deserve a seat and recognition. I would like it to

807
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: be done that way. I'd like that amendment coaches separate, Yeah,

808
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: a special contributor. Maybe I know the contributor category is

809
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: more mister Crafts thing, like maybe there's the committee then

810
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,319
Speaker 1: makes like a coaching category like obviously Bill, I think,

811
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: is this whole separate thing just like Brady, so we

812
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about that. But like guys like

813
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: Ernie Adams, guys like, I know, I just thought of

814
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 1: something ivan something an interesting threat here, Chuck Fairbanks departure

815
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 1: mutuous Bill Parcels. The similarities between Fairbanks and Parcels are

816
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: eerie and similar. I'm not gonna say that things are

817
00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: gonna end a little different twenty twenty three years, not

818
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: twenty five, but a little different. Yeah, not bad enough

819
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: to probably color any of this kind of stuff, but

820
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: at least there's probably I mean, it's hard to imagine

821
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: that it's going to be all sunshine. I don't I

822
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: don't care if it murders somebody on the way out

823
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: he gets right. No, I'm not saying that there's an

824
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: All those coaches had some degree of success here, you know.

825
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and so of course Bill is above and

826
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: beyond that, but all coaches it doesn't ever really tend

827
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: to end like it almost never end well. You know,

828
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: it's the first iteration of greatness for the Patriots came

829
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: when Fairbanks drafted everybody, Hannah Haynes, Clayborne, Morgan, Brock, you know,

830
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: Tim Fox, Grogan. The list goes on, you know, the

831
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: list goes on. That was the first great Patriots team

832
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: seventy six, seventy six seventy eight and then she took

833
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: a college job and left. Like that's a tough one

834
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 1: to get past. So the similarities between Fairbanks and Parcels

835
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: or Erie, but there was so much more than just

836
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: he took a college job, right. It was like, I mean,

837
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 1: all kinds of things going. He took a college job

838
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 1: during the season. Yeah, and Billy Sullivan said get out

839
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: go and wasn't part of it? Also connected to Stingley

840
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: and how that was all handled? Am I miss remembering that?

841
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Like it's it's I don't remember that. Yeah, I feel

842
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: like you think that's why Fairbanks left because he was

843
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 1: mad the way the organization handled sting I don't. I

844
00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 1: hadn't heard that the true I don't know. That might

845
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: have been entails from the sideline book thing. I don't know. Yeah,

846
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: you might be right. I'm just saying I hadn't heard.

847
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I might be remembering it, but I just tend I

848
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: just seem to remember a lot of drama, like it

849
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: was just building between ownership and the coach, and it

850
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: raised a certain the biggest problem there. And no disrespect

851
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: intended to the Sullivan's because they were instrumental in bringing

852
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: pro football. They didn't have enough money for a team, right, Like,

853
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't mean that disrespect that. Then you didn't have

854
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: the revenue sharing that you have now and all that.

855
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: So think about think about when when we're we're getting

856
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: ready for the draft in two weeks. Every year, the

857
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: Patriots would get ready for the draft and fans would say,

858
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: I have my choice between two so and Lazarre. Lazarre

859
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: is gonna cost too much money. We're gonna have to

860
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: go with you. So that was literally a consideration just

861
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: what they're gonna cost every year. And then the off

862
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: season would come and training camp would come and without

863
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 1: fail like John Hanner and Leon Gray would be holding

864
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: out because they're not getting paid like NFL wage, you know.

865
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: And it was just it all stemmed from that because

866
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: he was a bad guy. He just didn't have enough money. Yeah,

867
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: he didn't have enough money to support an NFL team.

868
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting though that just when you're talking about all

869
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: the draft picks that the Patriots had in the seventies

870
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: and then I think Bill park sells a lot of

871
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: his draft picks are a reason why he's even in

872
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 1: consideration for the Hall of Fame, and it just it

873
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,279
Speaker 1: just goes to show once again, like how important the

874
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 1: draft really is to turning this whole thing around. Now,

875
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: you know, I I can't there two weeks away and

876
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: it's you're talking about Hannah and all these guys, and

877
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: we're talking about all the guys Parcels drafted and even

878
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: the guys that are on the ballot as as players

879
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: with Macons and Raybell and fray Ball. I knows a

880
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: different situation, but Makons is a draft pick and you

881
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: just gotta you gotta be able to draft. I mean,

882
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 1: from for a hundred years, it's been the same thing.

883
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: We did the draft preview podcast today review. Sorry paul Um,

884
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 1: don't apologize to mean. Evan brought up Fred Warner. It's

885
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,439
Speaker 1: such a great example. And you just mentioned these guys

886
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 1: and I think that as a franchise are kind of

887
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: superstar hungry right now, and like, you know, you had

888
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: so many for so long, and it's just like, why

889
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: can't we find one of these guys? You know, even

890
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 1: it's just that random sixth rounder who suddenly just you know,

891
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: it just it hasn't happened in a while, and it

892
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: really needs to it. They're going to turn it around,

893
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: all right. Five five Pats five hundred is the eighth

894
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: ticket hut line where I think we should record this

895
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 1: and now, because we've had the same argument for I

896
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: would say at least ten years, just play. Yeah, we

897
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: should play it. And now we're gonna, you know, to

898
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 1: discuss Bill Parcells's candidacy and the Patriots Hall of Fame.

899
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna take a look back should we

900
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: use twelves or twenty sixteens argument? You know? Yeah, I

901
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: think we literally have said nothing different to each other

902
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: on this topic in ten years eight five past five

903
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: hundred Web radio at Patriots dot com. Let's get to

904
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: some of the listeners. We'll go to Patty and Agawam

905
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: for us. What's up Patty? Going on? Everyone? Hey hey,

906
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: pat hey, um friend, you actually last year, I don't

907
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 1: know if you remember that, probably not, but you you

908
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: kind of egged me on the boat for Bradle and

909
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 1: I did last You're over Wolf, Thank you. I hope

910
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: he gets send this here too. And and Paulie, you're right, like,

911
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how Welker who's he was one of one.

912
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean, he can't compare any of any of the

913
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 1: guys that played the slot on this team, not even Edelman,

914
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: because he would play on the outside Brown if you

915
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: remember early in his career, would play on the outside.

916
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: But if people are really or if the voters were

917
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: and the committee were holding the catch against Bolder, to me,

918
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: that's just a dast nine. You know, he deserves to

919
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,839
Speaker 1: be in the Hall of Fame, absolutely, and that's all

920
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: I gotta say. All right, thanks, Patty. I didn't realize

921
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: he had some that he was a little surly too well.

922
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: I would tell you if I would feel better if

923
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: they're holding the drop against him than Evans thing against

924
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: him that he was kind of churlish with the media, right, Like,

925
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: I just think that at least drop is the drop

926
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: is a play, it's on field, it's his performance should

927
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: have been a you're holding it, but you're holding his

928
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: performance against him. I think it's ridiculous to do that

929
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: for one play. But at least you're saying, you know what,

930
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: he choked when it was on the line, he needed

931
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:48,800
Speaker 1: to make that catch. I don't think of it that way.

932
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: I think it was a bad throw. I think he

933
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: could have caught it, had other chances, and yeah, you

934
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: had a million other chances to win the game. You're

935
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: expecting a five foot eight slot receiver to adjust to

936
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: a wrong shoulder. Yeah, he thought he should have caught it,

937
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: but anyway of course he thought should I think you

938
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: should have caught it too. Yeah, let's go to Roland

939
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: in the UK. Those English phones, Sean in New York.

940
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 1: What's up, Sean? I think they're calling right back in

941
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: so they must have gotten disconnected. Um. Yeah, but like

942
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: I can at least understand well or accept I'm talking

943
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: about his play on the field, and I didn't think

944
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: it was up to standard. I think you're wrong, but

945
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: that's your opinion at least like to say it like

946
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: I didn't like the way you talk to me, Like

947
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't think I like to say, shut up, you child.

948
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's what I don't think that

949
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:47,399
Speaker 1: that's their argument. I think that's in their in their

950
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 1: psyche though, when it comes to it, you know, like

951
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I think it's in their deep rootedness of it. Of

952
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: like maybe they point to things like the drop and

953
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: things like that that are on the real tangible things,

954
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,240
Speaker 1: and then in the back of their head they're also

955
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 1: thinking of I'll remember that time that I tried to

956
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: ask him a question in the locker room, and he

957
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: totally blew me off, like what an a hole? You know?

958
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 1: I just I West Welker was such a like special

959
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: kind of player. We were we were doing our thing,

960
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: our project this week, and some of the old PFW's

961
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: relying around and there was a PFW from June two

962
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: thousand and seven, and it just took me back to

963
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: my excitement as a fan of like you had all

964
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 1: these new players and Welker was such a surprise to

965
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: me the way he just the player he was everybody knows,

966
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: but like his crazy eyes, like when he would be

967
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: back to return a punt and you look at him

968
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: and he's just got these white blue eyes that are

969
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: like wide open and you know, not in the jabbar

970
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: or sorry the what's his name, caldwell away, that's like

971
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: kind of scary. But he was so intense And one

972
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: of my favorite West Welker plays was I think he

973
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: caught like a third down pass down in the red

974
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: zone against Indie in two thousand and seven to like

975
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: seal that game, and then the cameras like caught him

976
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: like are you like screaming at one of the Colts players, like,

977
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: you know, just as they had iced the game, So

978
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 1: I just it's just, really, he's one of the players.

979
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: It's such a shit to me that everything he did

980
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: so well just gets kind of forgot and you talk

981
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: about how he was in the locker room or the

982
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: foot jokes, and you know, I don't know if you

983
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: guys agree. I know a lot of people said Super

984
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: Bowl forty two, had they pulled it out, that he,

985
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 1: you know, maybe might likely would have been the MVP.

986
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: A WEBN for one h three is good in eleven

987
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: in a key spot? Is that good? Evan? Is that good?

988
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes you have the metrics Julian Julian Edelman level, but

989
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: it didn't make that. It's it's one of my great

990
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: disappointments for that player that I love so much, that

991
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: just brought such character to the team and just gave

992
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: them such a special element on offense. And now it's

993
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, you just talk about the stupid stuff that

994
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: doesn't count. So I mean, he should be into put him,

995
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: put him right after very I also along to his

996
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 1: personality lines, the Wally Pip thing, well, I'm telling you

997
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: he didn't get it. For the longest time, these things

998
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: stand out to people. It's crazy. Bill but you know, Bill,

999
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: you know, didn't like some of the things that Welker did.

1000
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: I think Welker was like, you know, he wasn't like

1001
00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: rabel Um like a ball busting, Wise asked. But he

1002
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: would he would talk back to Bill and he would

1003
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: say things he wasn't, you know, always someone that you

1004
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 1: could control verbally, you know, the Rex Ryan thing and

1005
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: other things. You know. So Bill would always look for

1006
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: an opportunity to you know, get back at him too.

1007
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: Um So. But I don't know if that has anything

1008
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: to do with fan voting, but I'm you know, he

1009
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: wasn't always Bill's favorite player. So and I agree that

1010
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: these are just like a couple of fans, um and

1011
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily indicative of how everybody feels. But this is

1012
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: you know, I my notes unbeknownst to me at the

1013
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 1: time that Welker wasn't even gonna make the finalist ballot.

1014
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 1: When I wrote my notes on Monday, I thought it

1015
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: was he headed the list right, and he's not even

1016
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: a finalist. So I got some some blowback from people

1017
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: after I posted a good group of guys, but Welker

1018
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: is the least deserving of the three. That's one for

1019
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: dropping the game winning Super Bowl catches catches question. Um,

1020
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: the drop in the Super Bowl was huge. Then he

1021
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: then he leaves to join Denver in free agency and

1022
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: his cheap shot on tolib No thanks, this is what

1023
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. I forgot because the petulant child of

1024
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: a coach had the audacity to say that it was

1025
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: a cheap shot when they ran a crossing route and

1026
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: tried to set a pick and and it blew up

1027
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: in their face, which is how how well I don't

1028
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: know where yet they learned that like setting picks and

1029
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: rub routes. Um, that's a good us when people bring

1030
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: up the drop though you brought up apreciate Caldwell, that

1031
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 1: was a drop, right, That was that INDI yeah, an

1032
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 1: indie in the end zone. And there are some, by

1033
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: the way, there are some, by the way, there are

1034
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 1: some that are advocate for Wes Welker too. I'm not

1035
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm just reading you some of the really negative one.

1036
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: Now he coaches the Dolphins, where uh Mankin should be

1037
00:52:57,200 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: over Welker every day. Um, someone making fun of someone

1038
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 1: laughing at you and I are arguing you have to

1039
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: be joking. Um, just done. The Welcer just that's it.

1040
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: You have to be joking that he should be in.

1041
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh my god, how about the Pats have to get

1042
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: into the playoffs and win a super Bowl before he

1043
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: gets in. What I'm just telling you what this is?

1044
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: What this is? What I get then a guy advocating

1045
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: for Larry is, oh, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta

1046
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: admit I was devastated by the Super Bowl drop. Complaining

1047
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: about the talib thing was one of the first moments

1048
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 1: for me of being kind of like what I I

1049
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: have always and Fred can back me on this. I

1050
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: always sort of like chuckled a bill like you know,

1051
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: you guys know the story very early on and got

1052
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: upset with me and whatever. He never ever treated me differently,

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Speaker 1: Like to the whole point of he was mean to me,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna vote for him, like, he never treated

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Speaker 1: me differently after that. It was two thousand and three.

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Speaker 1: It was a long time ago, right, I had never

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that is what does Belichick really like

1061
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Speaker 1: to cover? And I always say he's very easy to cover.

1062
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Speaker 1: He's the most consistent person I've ever seen in terms

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Speaker 1: of the way he deals with the media. I never

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Speaker 1: ever worried that Mike was getting something from him that

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Speaker 1: I wasn't, because unless you were like a real national

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Speaker 1: guy and they were leaking stuff for whatever reason, no

1067
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Speaker 1: one was getting anything anymore. No, it's kind of changing

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Speaker 1: a little bit now, but I always felt like he

1069
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Speaker 1: was a really consistent guy. That comment after that loss

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Speaker 1: to Denver bothered me because it was just a patently

1071
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Speaker 1: false statement. How many times do I say to you, Fred,

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Speaker 1: he never lies right. They're always like nuance or you know,

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Speaker 1: disingenuous biomission lives biomission context. That was a flat out

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Speaker 1: lie that he tried to get everybody to buy because

1075
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Speaker 1: at that time he could still absolutely do no wrong.

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Speaker 1: And that really really bothered me that that comment after

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Speaker 1: that game, like a cheap shot, the worst cheap how

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Speaker 1: do you say, the worst cheap shot in the history

1079
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Speaker 1: of football? It's something I'm paraphrasing. It was something like

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Speaker 1: that because because Welco was running a rub route and

1081
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Speaker 1: they collided, rolland from the UK's back on the line,

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Speaker 1: what's up rolling? Oh, come on, what's going on here.

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Speaker 1: I'm afraid to hit this. Todd's in Greenville? What's up

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Speaker 1: Todd Areas? You know what, I've been listening to all this,

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Speaker 1: and I was listening the other day and I just

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Speaker 1: kind of thought about suddenly, you know what, I got

1087
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 1: nothing to complain about. I started chiring for the team

1088
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: in the you know, the early seventies, and I've had

1089
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Speaker 1: twenty years of bliss with Bill and Brady and stuff

1090
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 1: like that, and you know what, I think I've just

1091
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Speaker 1: been able to finally say it. I don't care. I'll

1092
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Speaker 1: just see what happens and go from there. I think

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00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,439
Speaker 1: that that's what we need to do as a fan base,

1094
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Speaker 1: because we've been spoiled. We should be happy we've been

1095
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Speaker 1: spoiled and just wait and see what happens. Who knows.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the that should be the new team.

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Speaker 1: Just wait and see. Okay, what do you guys thinking?

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Speaker 1: Wait and see? I'm gonna wait and see for two

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Speaker 1: weeks and then we'll see. Yea edwins in Virginia? What's up? Edwin? Hello? Right? So? Um,

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Speaker 1: I got a couple of comments. So I believe Mike

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Speaker 1: Rabel and Wes Welker. I mean they should definitely be

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Speaker 1: in the Page's Hall of Fame. You know, people have

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Speaker 1: to kind of put personal feelings aside, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that they should both be in. You know,

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Speaker 1: then you know their contributions to the franchise. As far

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Speaker 1: as the draft, um, I'm wondering what y'all sake would

1107
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: be on Bill Belichick going kind of an orthodox route.

1108
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: So you know, everyone's expecting, you know, you're gonna get

1109
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 1: offensive weapons. The league is very offensively focused right now.

1110
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: But we know Bill like to do unorthodox thing. So

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00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: I think you know, this current cornerback class is one

1112
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 1: of the best, yeah, in a while. So this traditionally,

1113
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,919
Speaker 1: if you have one shut down corner you can shut

1114
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: down one side of the field. That would work. You know,

1115
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: I don't think it would be unorthodox for him to

1116
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: pick up cornerbacks. They have two star receivers. So let's

1117
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: say the Patris double dip, they get a guy let's

1118
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: say Gonzales falls to them, and then let's say a

1119
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: guy like Beyonta Banks or those two class. So you're

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Speaker 1: saying two cornerbacks. I don't want to do that too

1121
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: into the twenties to get another cornerback, they can have.

1122
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Speaker 1: So we're trading up to get a second cornerback? Is yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, getting too define. Gilmore's less.

1124
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Speaker 1: They have a couple of guys that so you could

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Speaker 1: have a boat or you can have the mystery corner.

1126
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Speaker 1: It could even bet and you know you can have that.

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Speaker 1: Gilmo is a top ten pick. We're getting two now

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Speaker 1: and the top twenty five we are. Um, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: if you like, but if you could guarantee boast both

1130
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Speaker 1: of them are Pro Bowl level cornerbacks, Nope, I mean

1131
00:58:31,120 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 1: you still wouldn't do it. I would do it, but

1132
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: doesn't work. Like I mean, I think you could take

1133
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: two first one you could thank you get a guy

1134
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: in the second. But if you could guarantee me that

1135
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Speaker 1: I got a Pro Bowl cornerback in a Pro Bowl

1136
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: wide receiver with my first two pis I'm just saying that.

1137
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Speaker 1: But from an ordin arthodox level, He's right, it would

1138
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1139
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Speaker 1: But like, there there's an upside to that was a

1140
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Speaker 1: silly call. You know, there is an upside to make

1141
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Speaker 1: your defense like the best in the I just think

1142
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1143
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1144
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Speaker 1: you can't play that good at like you can't be

1145
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: that good at defense, but scoring on it's not hockey.

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Speaker 1: Your goal can't be to allow fewer points than the

1147
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1148
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien, now we got Schuster. We're really counting on

1150
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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien to do a lot. Well, those articles are

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Speaker 1: But yeah, because he didn't buy the groceries. I mean,

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Speaker 1: to that point, Bill O'Brien, I mean, he's kind have

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Speaker 1: personnel than him immediately. But I mean that the only

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Speaker 1: way that pressure shifts to Bill O'Brien is if they

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Speaker 1: do draft a receiver. The pressure this year is on

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Speaker 1: Belichick and match Joe right right now, Bill O'Brien just

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Speaker 1: has to fix Mac Jones, right like somewhat get them

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Speaker 1: back to where he wants. Yeah, Like, if they don't

1164
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Speaker 1: do anything to improve the offense, why is he supposed

1165
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Speaker 1: If he gets back, I mean, I know you say

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Speaker 1: like I meant to say they were efing loaded, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't need to use the FFing us So calm yes, um,

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Speaker 1: all right. Back to the emails web radio at Patriots

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Speaker 1: dot com, rick And near Louisville, Kentucky says, all this

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Speaker 1: talk of Welker being an a hole to the media

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Speaker 1: has me to pose this question, Could you name the

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Speaker 1: three biggest A holes you've had to deal with that

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Speaker 1: war Patriots uniforms. It really goes to show you how

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Speaker 1: perception can fool you. I never would have guessed Welker

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Speaker 1: was an a hole. I didn't say he was an

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Speaker 1: a hole because I can't speak from experience. I said

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Speaker 1: that he was tough. Yeah, he could be, he could

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Speaker 1: be p snicky. Brian Stork was one of the biggest jerks.

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Speaker 1: Heard a lot of that. Yeah, real, Like I don't know,

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Speaker 1: like if someone told him, don't be nice to the media,

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Speaker 1: but he took it to a next level, like next

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Speaker 1: level stuff. Um, and I don't know what he's like otherwise,

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Speaker 1: I just know to us he was a real jerk. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Bruski could be mercurial. You get him one day to

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Speaker 1: offer your pizza. The next day he's you know, get

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Speaker 1: the hell away from me. You know, he could be tough.

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Speaker 1: I just think a lot of football players have that

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Speaker 1: edge to them, and I don't really hold that against him.

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Speaker 1: I don't hold it against I'm just saying that way.

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Speaker 1: I just find it hard guys who just aren't interesting

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Speaker 1: and don't give you anything, and you know, you're just

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Speaker 1: you're trying to. There's a lot of those guys that

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Speaker 1: just That's why when you get somebody like a Matthew

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Speaker 1: Judeon who has just personality and you know, you know

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Speaker 1: when he's gonna talk that, oh there's gonna be some

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Speaker 1: fun going on and he's gonna have something to say,

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Speaker 1: you know, whereas some of the other guys are just like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting ready for the too game, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just studying like that's you know, it's like there's

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Speaker 1: nothing stuff so much harder. I mean, yeah, Matt, I

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Speaker 1: mean Max, he's probably a prime one of just you know,

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Speaker 1: give us a little something, you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: know it's part of the job at quarterback. I mean

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Speaker 1: Tom was similarly kind of guarded. But you just let

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Speaker 1: to see a little bit about what makes you people.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's off the field stuff that Robin says,

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Speaker 1: worst show ever. It's draft season. Josh and Hatfield says,

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Speaker 1: this is one of the best shows I've heard. Could

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Speaker 1: listen to you guys talk about these things day in

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Speaker 1: and day out. That said, the closer we get to

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Speaker 1: this draft and the more range I see prospects getting,

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Speaker 1: for example, Gonzalez and play for the Patriots, according to Kiper,

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Speaker 1: I'm actually more and more excited. I'm hoping for one

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Speaker 1: of Gonzalez or Witherspoon to drop, or a receiver whose

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Speaker 1: name rhymes with powers. I want to get hurt again,

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Speaker 1: if for no other reason than the excitement factor. I

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Speaker 1: looked Friday. I took Friday off to listen to you

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Speaker 1: guys all night. Do what you guys always do, because

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Speaker 1: you're the best you should have taken Thursday. Yea, Thursday

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Speaker 1: is for night one by the way, So but you

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Speaker 1: can't go on with Friday too. And I get the

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Speaker 1: excitement that comes with the draft, and I have it too,

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Speaker 1: just like everybody else does. But you know what, I

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Speaker 1: I can't think just in terms of those those emails,

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Speaker 1: the dueling emails, I can't think of anything I'd rather

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Speaker 1: listen to less than so, well, do you think you

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Speaker 1: think Gonzales first round or did they go Flowers? Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't worry because catch twenty two will be all

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Speaker 1: all drafts. So people that want the draft to say,

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying is I don't have any problem with

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Speaker 1: all draft. I understand it's necessary. It's a necessary evil

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Speaker 1: in my mind. But like, in terms of listening to

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Speaker 1: people talk about different topics, the draft would be so

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Speaker 1: far down the list of things that I want to

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Speaker 1: hear about, Like unless, well, special guest today is Matt

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Speaker 1: grow and Bill Belichick. They're going to talk about the draft, Like,

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Speaker 1: now I'm in? Can we put I have someone who

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Speaker 1: knows what they're talking about? But I think I'm in

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Speaker 1: and I think you know to your point, you guys

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Speaker 1: are both voters. We all have lived here our whole lives.

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Speaker 1: We know this team in center out, so I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, for the people like this is where else

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Speaker 1: are you're gonna go for that first hour, You're not

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Speaker 1: going to get to hear from two of the voters.

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Speaker 1: So and that's why it works. Well, that's why you

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Speaker 1: gotta first hours this and then you know, Evan and

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Speaker 1: laughing though, Mike, because probably second on the list of

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Speaker 1: things I'd like to hear about the least Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame talk, I'm with you. I go with Fred and

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Speaker 1: I are very like minded when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, which you know is kind of interesting

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Speaker 1: because we disagree on so many things. What's the rule

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Speaker 1: of thumb, Fred small Hall, You know it when you

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Speaker 1: see it right right when you watch a guy play.

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Speaker 1: If you have to have a big discussion for a guy,

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Speaker 1: he shouldn't be in. Yeah, but back into the three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's there's some wiggle room too. Yeah. And you know,

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Speaker 1: team Hall of Fame as opposed to Pro Football totally

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Speaker 1: different entity. Like the Pro Football Hall of Fame is

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Speaker 1: for the the greats of the greats, the most talented,

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Speaker 1: impactful players that the league had team Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 1: there should be different criteria in the morning saying that

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Speaker 1: Devin mccordy should be in Canton, and I said, no way,

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Speaker 1: he goes. He dominated during his I go dominated and

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Speaker 1: he started pulling out these stats about how many games

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Speaker 1: he played. But that's not domination. I mean, I love

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Speaker 1: a guy's not at Reid, right, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: domination is related to games played. Rodney to me has

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Speaker 1: a much better case than he absolutely does. For the

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Speaker 1: one thing that always bumps me though, is like, it's

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame. And that's what I always like

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Speaker 1: the word fame. It's like your most famous people. Like

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily I know, the implication is that it's

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Speaker 1: the best. It's the best, the Hall of Fame. So

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Speaker 1: there is always a small part of me that says,

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Speaker 1: you know, to change the name. Yeah, the Football Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame shrines, it's not the Hall of Stats, the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Performance. They didn't do themselves any favors with

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Speaker 1: the safety position in particular in the last five to

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Speaker 1: ten years, because there's some guys that are in now

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Speaker 1: that Devin has just as good of a resume as,

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Speaker 1: if not better. That's right. So if you're gonna let

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Speaker 1: John Lynch, if you're gonna let Brian Dawkins, if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna let those guys into the Hall of Fame. Dawkins

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Speaker 1: I really liked. But um, but I won't be mad

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Speaker 1: if like I mean, obviously I love Devin mccordy's I'm

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Speaker 1: not gonna be mad if he gets HP. But I

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Speaker 1: but if you want to talk about him as a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame candidate, I can listen to. Oh sure,

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Speaker 1: But like I've always been brought up that the criteria

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Speaker 1: for the Pro Football Hall of Fame is you dominated

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Speaker 1: at your position during your era, which you know makes

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Speaker 1: you know, concession that the game changes, so you know,

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Speaker 1: like it's so it's during your era. So and I

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Speaker 1: think that's fair, you know, But I think I still

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Speaker 1: think it's a high bar that people still come under.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he dominated, but Devin in his

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Speaker 1: peak for four or five years, was a top free

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Speaker 1: safety in the league. You know, it's top top three

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Speaker 1: or four. I think there's a lot of guys in

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame who did not dominate during their era,

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Speaker 1: and that's the problem. Well, okay, I'm not I'm not

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Speaker 1: even this is not even about last year. Let's say

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Speaker 1: the Green the Packers. Butler, Yeah, Leroy Butler, Right, give

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Speaker 1: me a break, you know, I would all of those

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Speaker 1: guys were really good players. I don't know if they're

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Speaker 1: Hall of famers, like you know, Devin Dawkins, Devin, Like,

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Speaker 1: Devin's a really good player, really good player. Like for me,

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Speaker 1: in this era, if you didn't come close to Ed Reid,

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Speaker 1: then you don't get in as safety. Wow, Ed Reid

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Speaker 1: is the best safety. Maybe okay, he dominated in his era,

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Speaker 1: but he was. I was just gonna say, um, Troy Polamalo, No, Joe,

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Speaker 1: Um Hall of Famer Troy, Yeah, Joe, I know. I

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Speaker 1: mean certainly Polomala was flashy. He'd have those big plays

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Speaker 1: where he'd jump over the pile and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Great player, yeah, I guess you'd have to just because

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Speaker 1: just because Brady owned him doesn't mean he wasn't a

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Speaker 1: great player. Hall of famer, like not even a hesitation. Agree,

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Speaker 1: But if you had to look someone yelled at me,

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Speaker 1: I can't agree with you as much as like, who

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Speaker 1: do you think of the legit Patriots Hall of Famers?

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Speaker 1: Though Brady gronk oh for Patriots the last twenty years

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Speaker 1: legit Pro Football Hall of Famers that. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: know Ronk, Vinitary Brady Um, Seymour's in. Obviously Seymour's already in,

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01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,639
Speaker 1: and now I have to now I have to really

1464
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 1: think hard, you know, yeah, because because of my criteria,

1465
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:13,439
Speaker 1: there might be guys that get the Super Bowl push,

1466
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: like you know, maybe a Will Fork who Bill wrote

1467
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: letters on on his behalf and stuff like that. I

1468
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: kind of look at it the same way, you know, mccorney,

1469
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 1: we just talked about this guy's in this, this guy's

1470
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: in now that I think Devin mccordy can say I

1471
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 1: was as good as that guy's Rodney for me, like

1472
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: I think Rodney Roy this list with these players that

1473
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 1: should be, but Rodney should be in more for what

1474
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 1: he did in his career than yeah right, yeah, he

1475
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:43,360
Speaker 1: gets he gets the Patriot push. I just feel like

1476
01:16:43,479 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: the some of these like questionable guys like Vince Wilfork

1477
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: or Rodney or you know, even like a Dante high

1478
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: Tower if they were on another Dynasty team from like

1479
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:59,000
Speaker 1: thirty or forty years ago. There there we're first ballot

1480
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, right, So I at some point that

1481
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: has to take into consideration, right that these guys from

1482
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,680
Speaker 1: like the seventies Steelers or the Niners teams or the

1483
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 1: Cowboys teams, like all those guys just walked through Waltston.

1484
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: I just don't know enough. I don't like Jack Hamm

1485
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 1: and Jack Lambert. Were they better than like Dante Hi Tower? Yeah,

1486
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just don't know enough. Yeah, I

1487
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:24,599
Speaker 1: know they to make that argument. NFL films really made

1488
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: him look good. It just feels like those guys are

1489
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: equivalent to They were the best defensive players on teams

1490
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,679
Speaker 1: that won multiple Super Bowls. I I don't know enough

1491
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 1: about how dominant they were either. But a guy like

1492
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: Vince Wilfork was the best defensive player on teams that

1493
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 1: you know that one Swan, I don't think he was

1494
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:47,439
Speaker 1: better than Stanley Morgan, right, you know, but Lynn Swan,

1495
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: like you said Walton right, you know, Yeah, he wasn't,

1496
01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: but he had the high profile plays in the big moments.

1497
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,400
Speaker 1: I think Edelman will be an interesting like. I don't

1498
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: think he'll get in. I don't really think he's a

1499
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,680
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, but I think that his playoff performance

1500
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 1: is something you just you can't ignore what he's done.

1501
01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 1: But is that ultimately going to be enough. Maybe it'll

1502
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: be like a reverse thing. We have such a problem

1503
01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: here where it's a log jam of Patriots trying to

1504
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: get in the Patriots Hall of Fame. But maybe things

1505
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 1: will clear out a little bit also around the league

1506
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: to get into the regular proftball. All right, let's get

1507
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,519
Speaker 1: back to the A sticket outline eight five five Pats

1508
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:24,160
Speaker 1: five hundred. We'll start with Scott and Wellesley. What's up? Scott, Hey, guys,

1509
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: how are you good? Scott questions? First, I wanted a

1510
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,479
Speaker 1: question with the draft coming up. I wanted to ask

1511
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 1: Paul looking back at the twenty nineteen draft, now that

1512
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: Damian Harris was signed basically for a deal less than

1513
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:42,479
Speaker 1: a coal miner, and you know Stidham got shipped off

1514
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 1: without even getting a chance to get his job, to

1515
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 1: get a job with the Raiders. He got sent over

1516
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:53,360
Speaker 1: to Denver, and Billy obviously got cut. Would you say

1517
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,719
Speaker 1: this is the worst draft in the history of the Patriots,

1518
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: And after you just answer that question, I would ask

1519
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 1: Mike and Evan in question. Matt Jones question, Yeah, I

1520
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the worst draft ever. Unfortunately they

1521
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 1: have others to pick from I mean they struggled, They

1522
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: had a five year stretch where they really struggled. I

1523
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: would connect it to what we talked about last show

1524
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 1: with Evan, where that was I think twenty nineteen was

1525
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:21,519
Speaker 1: your last chance with Tom Brady if you didn't hit

1526
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 1: on that draft and get, you know, a really good

1527
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: player to kind of re energize the offense and give

1528
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 1: him something to work with. So in that regard, it's

1529
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,800
Speaker 1: strangely enough you blames it on Brady. Why why did

1530
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: you blame it on Brady? That's just me, that's me

1531
01:19:38,439 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 1: busting balls. Like we all have our show personality there.

1532
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 1: They're probably a large portion of our fan base that

1533
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: think that I hate Tom Brady. Wow. Wow, there's a

1534
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: large portion of our fan base and things that I

1535
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:57,479
Speaker 1: hate Bill. So we're good. Sean's in Vancouver, Hey, Sean, Hey,

1536
01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 1: I'm so happy that Scars in the Patriots Hall of Fame.

1537
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that he deserves it. If I were

1538
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,680
Speaker 1: on the committee that Patriots Hall of Fame selection committee,

1539
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: I'd be looking to Dante's Scarnekia the most in terms

1540
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 1: of making decisions because he's been there for so long,

1541
01:20:15,120 --> 01:20:19,240
Speaker 1: and those these guys see how they play, and I

1542
01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:22,400
Speaker 1: would really respect his opinion. I think, oh sure, um,

1543
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: you know, and he was on the committee this year,

1544
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,559
Speaker 1: so yeah, Ernie Adams, Right, I listened, you know, and

1545
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 1: I do. I listen to everybody. I mean, you never

1546
01:20:32,760 --> 01:20:34,559
Speaker 1: know when someone's going to say something that you never

1547
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: thought of. I mean, it sounds stupid, but wouldn't be

1548
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 1: great out bill him the committee, Like, I mean, talk

1549
01:20:38,680 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: about a guy who provided some exciting The only thing

1550
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: about it, though, is you know whether it's going to

1551
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 1: say what I was going to say. They had the

1552
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,400
Speaker 1: bias too, yeah, you know, like every guy that they

1553
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,320
Speaker 1: coach was really great. Now, I do think Dante has

1554
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,200
Speaker 1: a little bit better perspective, but just because of the breath,

1555
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:59,559
Speaker 1: like thirty plus years, six different head coaches, you know,

1556
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: on an on and on. I'd love to hear his

1557
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,599
Speaker 1: perspective on parcels because he was here right before. Pretty good, Yeah,

1558
01:21:05,160 --> 01:21:09,160
Speaker 1: pretty good. Now, some people in the room didn't think

1559
01:21:09,200 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: it was as glowing. I thought based on the situation,

1560
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 1: and we all know what the situation was. We spent

1561
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: forty five minutes talking about the situation. Right, I thought

1562
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: he was pretty positive on a guy that would have

1563
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 1: been easy to say, well, not committed or you know,

1564
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 1: ego sometimes got in the way. You know, he's got

1565
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: the thirty thousand foot view. You know, he was here

1566
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,719
Speaker 1: when it was terrible. He was it. He was filling

1567
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:38,960
Speaker 1: in for the coaches in two win seasons and then

1568
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 1: and now he's here with Bill. I mean he saw that.

1569
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:43,320
Speaker 1: And I spoke to somebody on the committee who didn't

1570
01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:46,800
Speaker 1: feel like he was overly glowing. Fred, what were your

1571
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,519
Speaker 1: thoughts you heard him. I don't remember. I thought it

1572
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:53,639
Speaker 1: was measured. I thought it was measured too, But I

1573
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:57,960
Speaker 1: was expecting a rip job. Oh, come on, I would

1574
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 1: never do that. I was expecting a I thought it

1575
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: was pretty positive. Wow, No, I knew. I think if

1576
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: you asked another guy in that committee, it would have

1577
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:08,160
Speaker 1: been different. Yeah. See, I think that's why, like the

1578
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: email you got earlier where people were saying like this

1579
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: was so ridiculous, Let's like understand, who are the people

1580
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,240
Speaker 1: talking about these guys, like the people to work with

1581
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: them that were, you know, witnessed to this whole thing

1582
01:22:17,360 --> 01:22:19,360
Speaker 1: up close with them. I mean, as much as the

1583
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: media writes about them and interviews them, like these are

1584
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: people who are on the football side of it too,

1585
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 1: like they saw that aspect of it, which is probably

1586
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 1: more important. All right, let's go to William and Philam.

1587
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: What's up William? Hey for it? How are you doing?

1588
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:39,280
Speaker 1: All right? All right? Um, I have to live all

1589
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:44,760
Speaker 1: some frustration with this team. Um. First of all, I

1590
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:46,600
Speaker 1: don't know about ever yet. I do hate billing that

1591
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 1: at this point. I mean, we're four seasons in your

1592
01:22:50,040 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 1: favorite Tom has left what since what twenty eighteen nineteen

1593
01:22:54,120 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 1: If I'm not mispeaking, Um, we're your roster stinks. And

1594
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:06,120
Speaker 1: all you did would swap out for for j from

1595
01:23:06,240 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: Jakoe Mars to Juju and also for um John News

1596
01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: I'm John seriously, that's it. And then you got then

1597
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: you got somebody, uh James Robinson. That's it. So you're

1598
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: not gonna go all in on mac on. You got

1599
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 1: this rookie deal that you wasted basically over you see

1600
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: what his deal gonna be over with at some point

1601
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: what you got maybe next year, and that's it. You

1602
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 1: can happen for the next three years if they want him.

1603
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,559
Speaker 1: He's under he's under contract for the next three You

1604
01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: have control for the next three years. So you got

1605
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:47,280
Speaker 1: control for the next three years and you still ain't

1606
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 1: put new talent around that man. Damn is in the facility. Man,

1607
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 1: he's trying to get better. I think you don't want

1608
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 1: to load up on because you don't believe in him.

1609
01:23:55,320 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing here? Seriously? I think

1610
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:00,400
Speaker 1: Bill should be removed from as a GM. Will you

1611
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:02,240
Speaker 1: but you don't know what you will? You change your

1612
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 1: opinion if they draft a receiver with that uh fourteenth pick?

1613
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: But free and not no, not no, just because of

1614
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:16,160
Speaker 1: a receiver. I do today receiver all that you good?

1615
01:24:16,160 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 1: The receiver part. That's where he really thinks that. I

1616
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: don't know what it is so hard I'm out drafting

1617
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: a receiver. I don't not understand billet on how to

1618
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 1: how to draft a receiver. It's not that damn hard. Sorry,

1619
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:32,559
Speaker 1: but I'm I'm passionate, but I'm geah, what what if

1620
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,240
Speaker 1: because I hear you on the draft with receivers? What

1621
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: if they trade for Jerry Judy on on draft weekend?

1622
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:40,640
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing all of the things that make you

1623
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: feel right? What is there something to do? Anything? Is

1624
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:45,160
Speaker 1: there's something that would make you feel better? And then

1625
01:24:45,200 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 1: what if they did that? Thank you kind about making

1626
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 1: me feel better. I'm making us all still better. I'm not.

1627
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:56,840
Speaker 1: But we're talking to you. Huh, we're talking to you now, though,

1628
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 1: I mean, like, what would make you say, Okay, they're

1629
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:05,320
Speaker 1: trying to help Mac. Okay, you can start, like you said,

1630
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: far as a receiver, Okay, I guess, but rad Ja

1631
01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 1: Ja because he's basically the best between him and I

1632
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:15,840
Speaker 1: guess maybe Stay Flowers. But I would say Jazzson, I

1633
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:17,600
Speaker 1: would go with him all the way. He would you

1634
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 1: get Jason. He's better than all your receivers right now.

1635
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: And that's a damn shame. He's a rookie. I mean,

1636
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:27,160
Speaker 1: how does that look? Well, I don't, let's take how

1637
01:25:27,200 --> 01:25:29,800
Speaker 1: it looks to be fair though, like that, I like

1638
01:25:30,360 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: and I'm the last one to defend this point with

1639
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots, but there's a lot of teams that take

1640
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,200
Speaker 1: receivers in the first round, and he's there, instantly their

1641
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: best receiver. That's why they took They should like, right,

1642
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:41,679
Speaker 1: you know they already have When the Eagles took Davante

1643
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 1: Smith a couple of years ago, he was instantly their

1644
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 1: best receiver on their team. That's sort of how that works.

1645
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:53,880
Speaker 1: But Floyd and Redford Michigan says mister fred I'm I'm

1646
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 1: gonna need you to turn you to be right. Look,

1647
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: mister Paup, throw up in his eyes and tell him

1648
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 1: he was right about Flon Mack. A report came out

1649
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 1: that apparently some Patriot players weren't happy about mac Jones

1650
01:26:05,920 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: being mentioned in trade talks. Question, have you ever, and

1651
01:26:09,479 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean ever, seen an NFL quarterback defended more by

1652
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,600
Speaker 1: the media, his teammates and half the fan base in

1653
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:19,240
Speaker 1: Mac Jones? I have never seen anything like it? And

1654
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 1: ps can we see more of the four eleven twenty

1655
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:25,400
Speaker 1: three Tamara Brown, she was rolling Tuesday. She was assertive,

1656
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: made strong points, and didn't use too many words. Keep

1657
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 1: up the good work to Marrow, good job, Tomara, all right,

1658
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: she didn't use a lot of words. I would say

1659
01:26:35,439 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 1: with the the Mac thing, like in fairness, like you know,

1660
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:43,880
Speaker 1: maybe you've never seen anybody get defended like that. In fairness,

1661
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:46,639
Speaker 1: I've never seen anybody saddled with a defensive coordinator's offensive

1662
01:26:46,640 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 1: coordinator either, right, I've never seen it. So you know,

1663
01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:52,760
Speaker 1: even though he was Floyd's on my side, I would

1664
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:54,920
Speaker 1: still agree that I think there's more. I don't think

1665
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:57,760
Speaker 1: it's universal, but there's a lot of people that sort

1666
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,680
Speaker 1: of gave maca pass Fred's used car, you know, in

1667
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: these unprecedented times for Mac Jones. I would also say

1668
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: that the nothing grinds my gears quite like the anonymous

1669
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 1: player scout League exec says, what does that even mean? Like,

1670
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,360
Speaker 1: so we have to have a player in the locker

1671
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:23,920
Speaker 1: room tell us that that Mac Jones has had a

1672
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:27,719
Speaker 1: short straw, right we used to be a league exec.

1673
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:31,880
Speaker 1: We have to have, you know, some anonymous player on

1674
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: the roster who the heck knows who it is, tell

1675
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: us that Mac Jones was saddled with a bad situation

1676
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 1: last year. Thank you, Thank you, captain. I take these

1677
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: things not surprisingly, do you guys. I take these things

1678
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,120
Speaker 1: in a little bit of a different light because I

1679
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:51,679
Speaker 1: don't often get bogged down into the specific of the detail. Like, okay,

1680
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: so some guy, like Davin's point, some guy thinks that

1681
01:27:54,439 --> 01:27:59,040
Speaker 1: they did Mac wrong. Okay, whatever. To me. The takeaway,

1682
01:27:59,200 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 1: if true, is within the past couple of weeks, they're

1683
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:09,519
Speaker 1: still talking about last year. They're still like this is

1684
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,360
Speaker 1: still a topic of conversation in the locker room. The

1685
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,400
Speaker 1: players that are still here are still talking about last year.

1686
01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: That ain't good like I don't. Like I said, I

1687
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,639
Speaker 1: don't fixate on what they say. The fact that they're

1688
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:26,880
Speaker 1: saying it at all is not a good sign. We

1689
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,559
Speaker 1: should be on to twenty two. And I think that

1690
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,559
Speaker 1: this is this is on the head coach personally. I

1691
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 1: really this is probably my biggest gripe with with with

1692
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 1: Bill out of the all of it, to be honest

1693
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: with you, because he hasn't drafted yet, so I can't

1694
01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:41,439
Speaker 1: get on him for the draft yet. But talk to

1695
01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:44,759
Speaker 1: me in two ways. But I mean, I'm hearing Evan

1696
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 1: will have a take two weeks from tonight. But the

1697
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 1: biggest gripe that I have with him is that he

1698
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:57,479
Speaker 1: has made it a story. Still every time he has

1699
01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 1: gotten the opportunity to talk, he continues to be gruff

1700
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 1: about it and he continues the story generalize and we

1701
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: talk a lot about you know, things like obviously things

1702
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:14,120
Speaker 1: that we can't possibly know for certain, but we ask opinion,

1703
01:29:15,720 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 1: if you had to guess, do you think Bill has

1704
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 1: like openly discussed this with the team and said, you

1705
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:26,880
Speaker 1: know what, probably didn't put us in the in the

1706
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: best position. You don't have to say like rip Matt

1707
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Patricia and say listen, I tried something with that was

1708
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,240
Speaker 1: a little unconventional and it didn't work, and I apologize

1709
01:29:36,240 --> 01:29:38,680
Speaker 1: for that. We're going to move on. That's behind us.

1710
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,920
Speaker 1: We're gonna move on. If you had to say, I

1711
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,760
Speaker 1: don't think he has because of what the leak the

1712
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:47,720
Speaker 1: whispers are. If he had, I think it would have

1713
01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: been shut down. I agree and that, but that should

1714
01:29:50,479 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 1: be to me, that should be part of it. And

1715
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't, like, I don't need Bill to say like

1716
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: a complete Maya culp, but like I willn't. I don't

1717
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: need that. But but what I think it is is

1718
01:30:00,240 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: important is for him to say last year is in

1719
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:06,479
Speaker 1: the past. There's things that all of us wish we

1720
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:11,120
Speaker 1: could do over again. We can't. That's over when moving forward,

1721
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,200
Speaker 1: no more last year. We're moving forward. What we have

1722
01:30:14,360 --> 01:30:17,559
Speaker 1: clean slate, which is so him's to me that needs

1723
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,000
Speaker 1: to be said. Yeah, and if I had to guess,

1724
01:30:20,080 --> 01:30:22,000
Speaker 1: that hasn't been said. But he needs to say what

1725
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:23,840
Speaker 1: I would say if I was him, and say, listen,

1726
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: last year is what it is. I'm gonna just want

1727
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:30,599
Speaker 1: to say, I'm always always gonna do what I think

1728
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:32,840
Speaker 1: is in the best interest of the team. Now, is

1729
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,280
Speaker 1: that always going to be one hundred percent no, but

1730
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:37,800
Speaker 1: you have my word that I'll always do what's in

1731
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: the best interest of the team. We're onto twenty twenty three.

1732
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: That's it. I just wanted to legit I ask a question. Yes,

1733
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: someone give me an example of a coach who openly

1734
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 1: did something that wasn't in the best interest of the team,

1735
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 1: that he knew the worst interest of the team. I know,

1736
01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:57,400
Speaker 1: but that's other another example or an example. He really

1737
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: doesn't Hi, I just I don't clarify I I legitimately

1738
01:31:02,760 --> 01:31:05,559
Speaker 1: think as misguided as it was that Bill thought it

1739
01:31:05,560 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: could work. I think he did too, of course, Like

1740
01:31:08,560 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 1: I just want to know, who's the guy that said,

1741
01:31:10,680 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna get Parillo. Yeah,

1742
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 1: because he'll screw it up royally. I'm gonna make him

1743
01:31:17,000 --> 01:31:20,519
Speaker 1: in charge of the offense. Well, right, and so obviously

1744
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 1: he's always going to do what's in the bestage of

1745
01:31:22,320 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: the team. But he ain't always right, and that's what

1746
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,080
Speaker 1: he's saying. And at the end of the day, you

1747
01:31:27,160 --> 01:31:30,799
Speaker 1: get rid of a coach because he's just making bad decisions.

1748
01:31:31,080 --> 01:31:33,800
Speaker 1: You're not saying that he's doing it maliciously. He's just

1749
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: he's just not doing it, you know. And I think

1750
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,360
Speaker 1: the fact that I'm but friends getting rid of him

1751
01:31:38,439 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: just for the record, right, and the fact that the

1752
01:31:43,200 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 1: two coaches uh in question are still not gone let's

1753
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 1: put it that way, or in limbo at least, I mean,

1754
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: one of them is here, one of them is in limbo,

1755
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,519
Speaker 1: the other ones in limbo limbo. Yeah, And I think

1756
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,200
Speaker 1: that to me is that's weird that that hasn't happened,

1757
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: right the Fred yeah, you know, speech to the team

1758
01:32:03,600 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. I don't know if it needs to be

1759
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:10,760
Speaker 1: to the whole team, but I would lately, at the

1760
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,640
Speaker 1: very least it needed to be the match, right J.

1761
01:32:12,880 --> 01:32:15,640
Speaker 1: You know, J. J. Smith Schuster doesn't need to hear that, right,

1762
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:18,639
Speaker 1: you know. No, But I would really, really really hope

1763
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:22,880
Speaker 1: that Bill and Mac behind closed doors have had a

1764
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:26,880
Speaker 1: meeting in Bill's office where Bill says, look, all, you know,

1765
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 1: the rumors out there are just even if they are true,

1766
01:32:30,840 --> 01:32:34,920
Speaker 1: they're not true. Like, we're not trading you. You're the quarterback.

1767
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 1: We you know, we got to move on from last year.

1768
01:32:37,960 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 1: It didn't work out, It wasn't the right thing to do.

1769
01:32:39,920 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: He doesn't even need to say I was wrong, just

1770
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:44,280
Speaker 1: that didn't work out right, or on to this year.

1771
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,800
Speaker 1: You know, Billy's going to coach you up now and

1772
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fine. Just if that happened then then fine.

1773
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: But the evidence that we have is that that that

1774
01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 1: hasn't happened. And I don't think that it's all of

1775
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: this stuff that's coming out at times, I don't think

1776
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:03,360
Speaker 1: is just from Bill's camp. I think some of the

1777
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:05,599
Speaker 1: stuff that has come out has been from Mac Jones.

1778
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm not necessarily saying the trade rumors. I know some

1779
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: people have gone there. I don't necessarily think that, but

1780
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,679
Speaker 1: I think that all this stuff that keeps coming out

1781
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 1: about how he's here every day and he's working out

1782
01:33:18,920 --> 01:33:20,679
Speaker 1: at you know, Reese had in his Sunday Notes said

1783
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:26,720
Speaker 1: he's been using the fieldhouse to personally, I think it's

1784
01:33:26,720 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 1: a combination of Mac and mister Kraft, and I think

1785
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,639
Speaker 1: the two of those and I think that's synonymous. It's

1786
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:36,960
Speaker 1: the way it's at Max's camp. It's a push, right,

1787
01:33:37,080 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 1: and I think that it's a way to say he's

1788
01:33:42,160 --> 01:33:45,040
Speaker 1: here doing all the right things, he's here working is

1789
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:48,599
Speaker 1: but off to get better. What what's the head coach

1790
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 1: doing to make the team better. That was something I

1791
01:33:50,840 --> 01:33:53,080
Speaker 1: said to the guys yesterday we were hanging out. Always said,

1792
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: I think it would be a nice strategy from Mac

1793
01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: to come out and publicly omit. I didn't handle it

1794
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:01,120
Speaker 1: great last year. Just say that, and I think it

1795
01:34:01,400 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: in some ways kind of makes the heads. Then turns

1796
01:34:03,360 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 1: to the coach and say, well, would you be surprised

1797
01:34:07,200 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: to find out like that Max showed up one day

1798
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 1: and Bill O'Brien was just there and he's the coach now,

1799
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,640
Speaker 1: and nobody really told him, you know, like like that

1800
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:16,040
Speaker 1: guy like that wouldn't surprise me. Like everything you laid

1801
01:34:16,040 --> 01:34:18,599
Speaker 1: out makes total sense. It makes sense. Mac Jones found

1802
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:20,840
Speaker 1: out that Bill O'Brien's the offensive coordinated the same way

1803
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,839
Speaker 1: we did. Yeah, like it's I mean, like I wouldn't

1804
01:34:22,840 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 1: be that surprised, Like like he just comes in and like,

1805
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,320
Speaker 1: oh hey, and so it's true. Yeah, it's you know,

1806
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:31,760
Speaker 1: like it wouldn't surprise me. Everything Evan said is true,

1807
01:34:31,800 --> 01:34:34,280
Speaker 1: everything Paul said is true. And that's so Bill. He

1808
01:34:34,439 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: and it's something that I've admired about him. I've said

1809
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:39,320
Speaker 1: it before. It's just being able to focus in the moment,

1810
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 1: and put the past behind you and not rely on

1811
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 1: it for better or worse. Those things are going by

1812
01:34:43,360 --> 01:34:45,000
Speaker 1: the wayside, left and right, and we can talk about

1813
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: other examples of it as well. He can do it

1814
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,200
Speaker 1: like the reason that and I've said this a million

1815
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 1: times about him, his ability to the most important thing

1816
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: is tomorrow's practice. Yes, yep, he I think he could

1817
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:01,240
Speaker 1: still do that. That's why I haven't cut ties with

1818
01:35:01,280 --> 01:35:05,240
Speaker 1: the coach. I still think he can coach, but I

1819
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 1: don't think if him. I don't think he understands that

1820
01:35:08,720 --> 01:35:11,719
Speaker 1: times change and players change, and I think attitudes change,

1821
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, there's probably a little bit more sensitivity

1822
01:35:14,840 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 1: in his locker room than there was twenty years ago. Right,

1823
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:19,920
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of it's just like the sign

1824
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 1: of the times. It doesn't make it right or wrong.

1825
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:26,160
Speaker 1: As somebody, I agree with you, and I also would

1826
01:35:26,160 --> 01:35:29,760
Speaker 1: say that he might be able to turn the page to,

1827
01:35:30,600 --> 01:35:34,559
Speaker 1: you know, tomorrow's practice. But the press conference he held

1828
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 1: at the owner's meetings tells me that he's still pissed. Yeah,

1829
01:35:37,479 --> 01:35:40,360
Speaker 1: it just it had written all over his face when

1830
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:42,960
Speaker 1: he was sitting there talking about these things. And so

1831
01:35:43,000 --> 01:35:46,040
Speaker 1: he's got to move on to everybody's got to move on.

1832
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: Everybody does, and I think Mac would have that moment

1833
01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:52,320
Speaker 1: that Mike is describing of last year. I didn't handle

1834
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,880
Speaker 1: myself great. I actually think that he has that type

1835
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 1: of accountability in him. But I can see him doing that,

1836
01:35:57,520 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 1: but first time he talks to us. And I'm not

1837
01:35:59,400 --> 01:36:02,800
Speaker 1: saying publicly that Bill needs to go first, but privately

1838
01:36:02,880 --> 01:36:05,080
Speaker 1: Bill needs to go first on that point because I

1839
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:08,240
Speaker 1: think that Mac needs might need to be a little

1840
01:36:08,240 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: bit swede. If he came out Mac and said, you know, yeah,

1841
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: I you know, last year I could have handled myself better.

1842
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 1: But believe it or not, I learned a lot and

1843
01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 1: mostly about myself, and that makes me even more ready

1844
01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: for this season. You get a lot of oh my god,

1845
01:36:24,479 --> 01:36:27,479
Speaker 1: people would be like, uh, you know, there'd be any

1846
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:34,720
Speaker 1: more adoration anyway. What if, like I'm just thinking, like

1847
01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:38,519
Speaker 1: that whole locker room dynamic how we started this, would it?

1848
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:41,760
Speaker 1: Would it stun you? If, like Kendrick Bourne is like

1849
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,200
Speaker 1: talking to Juju Smith, Houston's like, you won't believe the

1850
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,559
Speaker 1: poop that went on here last year. I mean they

1851
01:36:46,560 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 1: would do an X, Y and Z. I mean you

1852
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,600
Speaker 1: should have seen how they were trying to teach the Shanahans,

1853
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 1: you know whatever, you know, like would would that stunt you? No? No,

1854
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 1: But it made me think of it when you said,

1855
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:59,639
Speaker 1: like Juju Smith Schuster doesn't need to hear Bill right,

1856
01:37:00,160 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: take some accountability. But you just wonder, like Mike goes

1857
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:07,880
Speaker 1: in and listens to what we went on last year

1858
01:37:07,880 --> 01:37:09,679
Speaker 1: and you're like, I can't believe we lost this team

1859
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: even with Skyler Thompson playing quarterbacks. I do think that

1860
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 1: this also the whole just energy around the team. If

1861
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: you hit on a draft pick in the first round

1862
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 1: and that guy comes in here day one of mini camp,

1863
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:26,840
Speaker 1: day one of training camp and Zay Flowers just dunking

1864
01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:29,639
Speaker 1: on everybody, that all of this type of stuff will

1865
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:33,040
Speaker 1: go away. Yeah, you know, Bill O'Brien's here. They have

1866
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: a great receiver now that everybody's you know sometimes you

1867
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:40,080
Speaker 1: get that right guy. Yeah, I don't know about any

1868
01:37:40,080 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 1: of this crap. I'm just going out. Yeah. I think

1869
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:45,160
Speaker 1: that's what colors like William are discounting. They're already given

1870
01:37:45,240 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 1: up on the draft and it hasn't even happened yet.

1871
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:48,920
Speaker 1: There's there there are drafts I think for all of

1872
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:50,800
Speaker 1: us that will exist that we will be like I

1873
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 1: think they nailed it. Will they will see how the

1874
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:56,360
Speaker 1: guys work out. But at least when we're talking Saturday's

1875
01:37:56,400 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 1: show and the bulk of the draft is done now,

1876
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 1: I will say spread. I always say, like you know

1877
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,599
Speaker 1: you'll get universal You won't get universal approval like sight

1878
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:08,160
Speaker 1: unseen again, No, like like you did in the old days. Well,

1879
01:38:08,200 --> 01:38:09,599
Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing, Paul, that I keep

1880
01:38:09,680 --> 01:38:11,000
Speaker 1: going back to, and I'm trying to think in my

1881
01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:14,919
Speaker 1: head in between this conversation of other bold, unorthodox decisions

1882
01:38:14,920 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: that Bill has made. And I know there are probably

1883
01:38:17,760 --> 01:38:19,600
Speaker 1: examples that I can I can't think of off the

1884
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,680
Speaker 1: top of my head, but this was by far the

1885
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: most unorthodox, the most bold, and it was it was

1886
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:28,559
Speaker 1: risky because of where you're at as a franchise. I mean,

1887
01:38:28,600 --> 01:38:30,559
Speaker 1: you're kind of teetering on that edge if you're how

1888
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 1: do you get back up to that hump. That's the

1889
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: biggest thing to me as well. Tough time to make that,

1890
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 1: to make that call. That's just so I believe we

1891
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: can do it. I believe we're going to be able

1892
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,880
Speaker 1: to put together not just a I mean, in his mind,

1893
01:38:42,960 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 1: not just a functional offense, but an offense that's going

1894
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 1: to take us to another new level with Mac Jones

1895
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:51,519
Speaker 1: and Justin in La writes, with all this drama being

1896
01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,840
Speaker 1: brought to the forefront, I just keep thinking back to

1897
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: Fred's saying Trevor Lawrence should sue the Jags for how

1898
01:38:56,479 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 1: he was handling. If anyone has a case, it's Mac.

1899
01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:02,320
Speaker 1: I know it's jokes, but this is a complete mess.

1900
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Similar to Evan, I had my three strikes for Bill,

1901
01:39:05,160 --> 01:39:07,519
Speaker 1: except my first one was the handling of the Eagle

1902
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:10,240
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. I don't mind coach Bill, but my question

1903
01:39:10,360 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: is do you think Kraft would take the GM reins

1904
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:15,120
Speaker 1: back from Bill? And do you think Bill would go

1905
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,200
Speaker 1: for it? I feel someone like a Nick Cassario was

1906
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,840
Speaker 1: a good balance for Bill. Paul's guy. They had some

1907
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: of the worst draft for Nick. Here. What were talking

1908
01:39:23,840 --> 01:39:28,280
Speaker 1: about him? Say that? Like somebody said at the combine?

1909
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:31,679
Speaker 1: They were John mcclin Any I mean John mcclin said

1910
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: that there was rumor at the combine that suggested that

1911
01:39:37,160 --> 01:39:40,480
Speaker 1: after the draft, Nickossario will be coming back to Foxborough,

1912
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,639
Speaker 1: maybe he'll be getting let go in Houston. Did somebody

1913
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:49,960
Speaker 1: tell macro and the uh now in fairness and full disclosure.

1914
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 1: John mcclin also said he did not believe said rumor.

1915
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:56,320
Speaker 1: He did not believe that would happen. He said that

1916
01:39:56,320 --> 01:39:59,080
Speaker 1: the mcnairs are happy with Nickossario and he won't be

1917
01:39:59,120 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: going anywhere. That part. It is more important to me

1918
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:04,000
Speaker 1: because that guy knows what he's talking about with that team.

1919
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: You know, he was the top all time the pregame

1920
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: show guest. Oh yes, everybody else just fights for a second.

1921
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Some of them don't seem to like the fact that

1922
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 1: they don't have a chance to win first place. Those

1923
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:20,559
Speaker 1: are the best ones. Now. He's been around, and he

1924
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:23,280
Speaker 1: is as tapped in as any of the not just throwing.

1925
01:40:23,320 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean you always say it when Reese

1926
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: writ yeah Neil and new Brunswick. I must say, I'm

1927
01:40:30,240 --> 01:40:32,439
Speaker 1: very impressed with how many people are coming over to

1928
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:36,920
Speaker 1: the dark side of actually blaming Bill Belichick. That used

1929
01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:39,639
Speaker 1: to be sacrilege with Patriot's Nation. I have one comment

1930
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:43,719
Speaker 1: and one more likely question. The comment is if Matt fails,

1931
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:47,000
Speaker 1: it is his fault. However, that's on Bill too. He

1932
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:50,120
Speaker 1: drafted him, and it has to have more repercussions. She's

1933
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:53,400
Speaker 1: just missing on a second round corner when other gms

1934
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: miss on their franchise quarterback, it usually means their job.

1935
01:40:57,200 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 1: So what was more like? What is more likely Bill

1936
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:03,360
Speaker 1: gets the Patriots back to an AFC Championship game appearance

1937
01:41:03,800 --> 01:41:06,599
Speaker 1: or Robert moves on from Bill prior to Bill breaking

1938
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:14,040
Speaker 1: the coaching win record. B Unfortunately it's a really good

1939
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:22,960
Speaker 1: peu pole. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's because of the

1940
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:26,720
Speaker 1: AFC is so tough, right, I'm gonna shock you and

1941
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:28,800
Speaker 1: say that the AFC Championship because I just think that

1942
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:31,880
Speaker 1: they're gonna let him break that record. Yeah. I don't

1943
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:35,320
Speaker 1: think he's going anywhere. I mean at some point that

1944
01:41:35,479 --> 01:41:38,400
Speaker 1: if they win six games and I listen, I agree.

1945
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,120
Speaker 1: I think the record is kind of silly. To be

1946
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:43,240
Speaker 1: honest with you, I think it'd be cool. I don't

1947
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:45,640
Speaker 1: really see what that does for us as an organization,

1948
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 1: Like does that allow us to you know, maximize that

1949
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:53,200
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot com. But we're gonna be writing sonnets

1950
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 1: on Patriots dot competition, drafting the all times, but well

1951
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,400
Speaker 1: to people like but like every the average NFL fan,

1952
01:42:03,560 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 1: do you think who do you think is a better coach?

1953
01:42:05,800 --> 01:42:09,280
Speaker 1: Don Shuler, Bill Belichick? I don't think average NFL fan, No, question,

1954
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:13,559
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, So who cares? Yeah, right right? You know

1955
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,720
Speaker 1: it's like, I mean Andy Reid, like if he, if

1956
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: he stays healthy, he'll break the record if he you know,

1957
01:42:21,160 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: with Mahomes and everything in Mahome, if Mahomes stays healthy.

1958
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:26,960
Speaker 1: How far behind is he? He's kind of old, pretty far. No,

1959
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: he's not that as old as you think he is,

1960
01:42:29,240 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: Andy Reid. I think he's like sixty one, right, boy,

1961
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:34,800
Speaker 1: there was a way I could you have that duce?

1962
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:41,240
Speaker 1: Maybe physique? Okay, he just turned sixty and how many

1963
01:42:41,240 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: but more importantly, how many wins behind is he? Let's

1964
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 1: hopefully while you're looking you got it? Yeah, all right,

1965
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: while you're looking that up, we'll go back to the phones.

1966
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: Vinnie's in Vegas. What's up? N Hey guys, how's it going? Hey?

1967
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,200
Speaker 1: You know, I am um ten years. I am with Deus.

1968
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 1: I think that I'm gonna give Bill another year. I

1969
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:14,599
Speaker 1: mean I'm not. I'm also with you know, with Heaven.

1970
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,679
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's infallible anymore. I think last

1971
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:21,600
Speaker 1: year was you know, was aatrocious. But I am not

1972
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,519
Speaker 1: ready to just say, you know, it's time for us

1973
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,559
Speaker 1: to move on. I think we talked about the first

1974
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:29,759
Speaker 1: shoot I needed to fall was to get the offensive

1975
01:43:29,800 --> 01:43:34,040
Speaker 1: coordinator right. We got that done, and I'm I'm willing

1976
01:43:34,080 --> 01:43:37,080
Speaker 1: to wait and see for the for the draft and

1977
01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:38,840
Speaker 1: see what they do there. And you know, I'm not

1978
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,519
Speaker 1: ready to just say, look, put ties be done. I

1979
01:43:42,560 --> 01:43:44,720
Speaker 1: think we can still turn around things this year. Now.

1980
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 1: We might not be contenders, but I think there's a

1981
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:52,720
Speaker 1: possibility that things look better we draft you know, a

1982
01:43:52,720 --> 01:43:56,639
Speaker 1: couple of good prospects, and that we can move forward.

1983
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:59,639
Speaker 1: So I have another question for you guys, if that's okay,

1984
01:43:59,640 --> 01:44:05,000
Speaker 1: too okay, So the question I have is, um, you know,

1985
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:07,960
Speaker 1: we've talked about JSN, We've talked about Say Flowers, and

1986
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,960
Speaker 1: I agree with those two guys. You know, Say Flowers

1987
01:44:09,960 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: I think will be great Patriot. But it doesn't seem

1988
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: like we've talked too much about Jordan Addison. And I'm

1989
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: wondering if it's because you guys don't think that he's

1990
01:44:19,479 --> 01:44:22,960
Speaker 1: great or because he might not be available at you know, fourteen.

1991
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:27,320
Speaker 1: I think he's definitely available. I mean, I think, I mean,

1992
01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:29,120
Speaker 1: I just say, for me, I loved him out of

1993
01:44:29,160 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 1: the gate, and then I just I think he's he's Okay,

1994
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,519
Speaker 1: I think he's a nice you know, probably day two

1995
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 1: kind of a consolation. I think the other guys moved

1996
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:38,320
Speaker 1: the needle more for me, just with specific skill sets.

1997
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:40,559
Speaker 1: I think to me, Jordan Addison kind of has a

1998
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,920
Speaker 1: little bit of everybody but isn't great at any one

1999
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: particular thing. I think they all have kind of questions

2000
01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,200
Speaker 1: about are they big enough, are they gonna be able

2001
01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 1: to get away from, you know, NFL corners. But I

2002
01:44:49,800 --> 01:44:51,760
Speaker 1: think he's fine. I mean, I still got him on,

2003
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:53,760
Speaker 1: you know, as one of my guys on the big board.

2004
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:56,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just there's not a lot getting sexy

2005
01:44:56,439 --> 01:44:58,560
Speaker 1: about him really that gets you excited. But yeah, I

2006
01:44:58,600 --> 01:45:00,280
Speaker 1: think that's all fair. I think that they're big sing

2007
01:45:00,360 --> 01:45:03,040
Speaker 1: with him is that with his frame only being one

2008
01:45:03,120 --> 01:45:06,600
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy pounds or something like that, he doesn't

2009
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:08,720
Speaker 1: burst off the line of scrimmage the way that you

2010
01:45:08,760 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: guys are going to get him really want him too,

2011
01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 1: so there, and he doesn't beat press the way that

2012
01:45:13,400 --> 01:45:16,240
Speaker 1: you would want him to do either. So a guy

2013
01:45:16,240 --> 01:45:18,800
Speaker 1: like Davante Smith, for example, when he comes off the

2014
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, he's shot out of a cannon, right,

2015
01:45:20,720 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: So he might not have the forty time that some

2016
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: of these quicker, faster guys have, but his ten yards

2017
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,400
Speaker 1: split would probably have been pretty darn good going into

2018
01:45:30,400 --> 01:45:32,400
Speaker 1: the draft. And I think with Addison, he's just kind

2019
01:45:32,439 --> 01:45:36,120
Speaker 1: of has modest acceleration, modest burst off the line, and

2020
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: with his frame, you do worry. Now. I think a

2021
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,080
Speaker 1: really good offensive coordinator, which I think the Patriots have,

2022
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: will find a way to get him away from contact

2023
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,760
Speaker 1: right and get him, you know, off coverage and get

2024
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:50,360
Speaker 1: him away from press coverage as often as possible, and

2025
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:52,960
Speaker 1: then he could be a really effective player. But he's

2026
01:45:53,000 --> 01:45:54,680
Speaker 1: not going to be able to play through contact like

2027
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,760
Speaker 1: some of these other guys. Just a clarification. The first

2028
01:45:56,760 --> 01:45:59,759
Speaker 1: list I pulled up was just the regular season, full

2029
01:46:00,040 --> 01:46:03,280
Speaker 1: whole playoff, all the wins. He's sixty wins behind Bill Belichick.

2030
01:46:03,400 --> 01:46:06,599
Speaker 1: Right now, that's a lot. That's not He could do

2031
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: it in less than ten years if Mahomes stays hell,

2032
01:46:09,240 --> 01:46:12,599
Speaker 1: he's sixty five, okay, so you can have him coaching

2033
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 1: at seventy five, so he'd be three years coach. Ever, yeah, right,

2034
01:46:18,160 --> 01:46:21,360
Speaker 1: he learned on Tuesday he's gonna have to stop it

2035
01:46:21,400 --> 01:46:25,080
Speaker 1: because could happen. I don't think he'll be coaching in

2036
01:46:25,120 --> 01:46:29,960
Speaker 1: ten years. Okay, Now the argument do it in six years.

2037
01:46:30,000 --> 01:46:32,000
Speaker 1: The argument is do it in less than six. As

2038
01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:34,599
Speaker 1: long as he has Mahomes, he's gonna average thirteen regular

2039
01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:37,280
Speaker 1: season wins a year, right, and probably win at least

2040
01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:40,720
Speaker 1: one playoff game every year. So maybe he could do

2041
01:46:40,760 --> 01:46:42,559
Speaker 1: it in five. He could do it in five years,

2042
01:46:42,600 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 1: but that's the other guy has to stop winning two.

2043
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:49,439
Speaker 1: I know, like he's sixty behind Belichick, right, so at

2044
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: seventy eight behind the record. Yeah, can we go back

2045
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: to Addison real quick? I have a question for duce I,

2046
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 1: like you Addison his tape at Pittsburgh in twenty one

2047
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 1: bullet and coff winner sixteen hundred yards unbelievable, Kenny Pickett. Now,

2048
01:47:05,080 --> 01:47:09,519
Speaker 1: their track records suggests that the last couple of years

2049
01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:14,280
Speaker 1: they've they've taken some guys that had better junior seasons

2050
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:16,760
Speaker 1: to senior seasons wherever you want to call it. So

2051
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:21,640
Speaker 1: if they follow that trend, then obviously JSN qualifies. But

2052
01:47:21,840 --> 01:47:25,040
Speaker 1: because he was hurt, Addison qualifies just because of the

2053
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:27,920
Speaker 1: jumping competition from the PAC twelve to the A SEC.

2054
01:47:28,120 --> 01:47:31,320
Speaker 1: So on one's hand, you pause, because well, he faced

2055
01:47:31,400 --> 01:47:33,639
Speaker 1: better Corners in the Pac twelve and he was worse.

2056
01:47:34,040 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, if you go off the

2057
01:47:35,800 --> 01:47:38,480
Speaker 1: bullet and a coff year, then he has a conversation

2058
01:47:38,600 --> 01:47:41,760
Speaker 1: as wide receiver one along with Jsnyea. So how much

2059
01:47:41,840 --> 01:47:44,200
Speaker 1: stock do you put into the Pittsburgh tape? I think

2060
01:47:44,320 --> 01:47:46,559
Speaker 1: is a challenge that you have to ask with him.

2061
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: I think it's tough. I mean, I think it's a

2062
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:50,479
Speaker 1: it's a worthy conversation, especially what Klee Williams at USC

2063
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:54,040
Speaker 1: really good too. You know, probably will be drafted higher

2064
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:56,760
Speaker 1: than Kenny Pickt even was. It's hard. And the new

2065
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 1: offense as well. But then you're talking about he's coming

2066
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,240
Speaker 1: to new offense here. This is a pro offense here,

2067
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, Lincoln Riley, I don't know off my head

2068
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: how pro ready that offense is. Little Ray, what's the

2069
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 1: matter with you? I don't know. I didn't have some

2070
01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:17,120
Speaker 1: research done and all you guys have done watched every

2071
01:48:17,120 --> 01:48:19,920
Speaker 1: one of these guys fart over the last three years,

2072
01:48:19,920 --> 01:48:22,760
Speaker 1: and you can't tell me what kind of offense I

2073
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:25,519
Speaker 1: have not. I have not smelled any farts, all right,

2074
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,080
Speaker 1: I know, Evan can tell me. I think Michael Mary,

2075
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:29,920
Speaker 1: you were ready to smell a fart maybe in that

2076
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 1: that department. After you saw him up on the thing,

2077
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:37,320
Speaker 1: that's a good player, he goes, it's a good player, Tim,

2078
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:40,880
Speaker 1: and Michigan writes in I really don't understand the hate

2079
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Wes Welker gets when it comes to the Patriots Hall

2080
01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:46,080
Speaker 1: of Fame. We're perfectly comfortable making a head coach who

2081
01:48:46,120 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 1: gave up on our franchise as a finalist, but not

2082
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:51,880
Speaker 1: the slot receiver who probably changed our entire offense in

2083
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:55,040
Speaker 1: the mid two thousands. I'm convinced Julian Edelman will get

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Speaker 1: into the Hall before Welker, and he didn't even have

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01:48:57,600 --> 01:49:01,280
Speaker 1: better stats, not even close. Do you think do you

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01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:03,680
Speaker 1: put more value into Moss or Welker? I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you think that that was just kind of like a

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01:49:05,200 --> 01:49:06,840
Speaker 1: Bill and Tom thing where it's like a great just

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Speaker 1: combination because they help each other so much. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: but at the same token, again, I can hear that

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Speaker 1: argument if someone wanted to say, I think he benefited

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Speaker 1: greatly from Randy Moss's presence. Again, I disagree with it,

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01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:22,080
Speaker 1: but at least that would be football. Like, that's a

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Speaker 1: football argument, right If you said that he played with

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01:49:25,080 --> 01:49:27,679
Speaker 1: Moss and then he played with Gronk and those two

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01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:31,320
Speaker 1: guys really were the game changers, and he was just

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear about Edelman. Then we're

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Speaker 1: going to do that. Yeah, No, Kyle and Pembroke. If

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Speaker 1: the Patriots drafts A Flowers, do you think they would

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Speaker 1: trade Kendrick Bourne and a draft pick to get another

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Speaker 1: second or third round pick. He'd be our fifth wide

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Speaker 1: receiver in the room. And if he stays and it

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01:49:49,000 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 1: seems like Belichick doesn't like him, I personally prefer he stayed.

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Speaker 1: But I can see this happening. If they drafted how

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Speaker 1: that started the drafts Flowers, someone will go. It would

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Speaker 1: be my guess. I think I will wait till training camp. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't think it'll happen immediately. Well, I mean it

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Speaker 1: could happen in the draft, but my guess is more

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Speaker 1: like we'll see what the offseason looks like, you know.

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Speaker 1: Maybe to be Parker right, I would much rather than

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Speaker 1: do it that way because at least you get into

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Speaker 1: camp and see who kind of wins the job in

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Speaker 1: camp and then trade the cast. You'd also have to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, like say in May and June, what does

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Speaker 1: Taekwon Thornton look like in a year or two, right,

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Speaker 1: can I rely on you to contribute? I mean, in

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Speaker 1: a perfect world, I might say, can we get rid

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Speaker 1: of Parker and put Thornton out there as the every

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Speaker 1: down X go down the field if I if you

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Speaker 1: ask me, everybody can stay but one. Parker would be

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Speaker 1: the guy to go. But I think they love Parker.

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Speaker 1: Danny's in Orlando. What's up, Danny? Hey, how's it going? Hey?

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Speaker 1: How's it going? Guys? Hey? I want to think uh

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01:50:53,560 --> 01:50:57,720
Speaker 1: deuce uh In Evan, you guys did some good covers

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01:50:58,040 --> 01:51:01,400
Speaker 1: Journey in February. Well not kind carried the shrine coverage myself,

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01:51:01,439 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 1: but Evan, and now it's trying to get high. I

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01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 1: wasn't even out there, but thank you good joke. So

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Speaker 1: I wanted to PI. I wanted to pitch this you guys. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The uh the receivers that are coming up. I really

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01:51:16,160 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 1: like to the day Flowers get out of Boston College.

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Speaker 1: I would like to see them choose him, but I

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Speaker 1: just I don't know if they actually will. UM. My main,

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Speaker 1: my main thing that I've hurt you guys in the

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01:51:27,040 --> 01:51:30,520
Speaker 1: last couple of months talking about receivers and corners and um,

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Speaker 1: I really think that the two hits that we really

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01:51:33,080 --> 01:51:36,519
Speaker 1: need to hit his corner obviously and then a receiver.

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Speaker 1: But I'm open to it. Like you guys were talking about,

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01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:42,120
Speaker 1: it is getting a really good we can get a

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01:51:42,160 --> 01:51:45,919
Speaker 1: really like dominant tight end, like almost like a Travis Kels.

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01:51:46,280 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: I would I'd be happy with that. I mean, as

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Speaker 1: long as he's effective, comes in and you know, it's productive,

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Speaker 1: productive one like Johnny Smith right off the bat. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I don't want them to get a tight end and

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01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 1: just use him as a blocker for you know, the

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01:52:00,200 --> 01:52:02,559
Speaker 1: next two three years. That's just kind of a weight, right.

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01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:08,240
Speaker 1: They definitely they've been sniffing the tight end. It's a

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01:52:08,280 --> 01:52:11,920
Speaker 1: great class and I couldn't get on them. Thanks Danny.

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Speaker 1: I actually would really applaud them if they recognize that

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01:52:15,439 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: corner and tight end is so stacked this year in

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01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:20,599
Speaker 1: edge rusher too, I would say. And they just said, look,

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01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:23,400
Speaker 1: it's just not a year for receivers, because I think

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01:52:23,400 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 1: that's the general consensus is that this is a little

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01:52:25,920 --> 01:52:28,439
Speaker 1: bit of a down year for receivers. But we took

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01:52:28,840 --> 01:52:33,120
Speaker 1: top players in top classes at corner, tight end, in edge.

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01:52:33,160 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 1: I think that's one way of thinking about it. They

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01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:40,799
Speaker 1: they brought in Dalton Cancade for a top thirty. Um,

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01:52:40,920 --> 01:52:43,400
Speaker 1: they've they've met with pretty much every other tight end.

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01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:45,360
Speaker 1: I Tucker Craft, I think, is the other one that

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01:52:45,360 --> 01:52:48,559
Speaker 1: they brought in for a top thirty, and they've they've

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Speaker 1: talked to ever all of this this class too. On Craft,

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01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw this. I think it

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01:52:52,240 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: was in the Beast. We got to print that out,

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01:52:55,680 --> 01:52:59,280
Speaker 1: thank you. Um that I guess Alabama tried to get

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01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft. Yeah, so that was really an interesting nugget

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 1: that Tucker Craft, who went to South Dakota State, which

2166
01:53:07,120 --> 01:53:10,639
Speaker 1: is where Pierre Strong went, dominated at South Dakota State,

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01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,680
Speaker 1: which they like. Whenever you're at a lower level and

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01:53:13,800 --> 01:53:17,679
Speaker 1: you're a standout, dominant player, they gravitate towards those guys.

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01:53:17,880 --> 01:53:20,719
Speaker 1: And apparently Bill O'Brien's already had his eye on him too.

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01:53:21,080 --> 01:53:24,080
Speaker 1: So that's somebody that I think if you're starting to

2171
01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:25,960
Speaker 1: think about, now, okay, who could they take at that

2172
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,519
Speaker 1: position in like the third round, I think we've got

2173
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,719
Speaker 1: a lock Tucker Craft into a shortlist. I can already

2174
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:35,240
Speaker 1: hear the Robert Craft joke being made after that pick

2175
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:38,480
Speaker 1: was made. He's a fun player. He's got some versatility

2176
01:53:38,479 --> 01:53:41,760
Speaker 1: to him, some yakability, can get up the seam, can

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01:53:41,800 --> 01:53:44,280
Speaker 1: block a little. It's guys like him and Schoonmaker that

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01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: are like developed them They're gonna need a little bit

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01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:49,040
Speaker 1: of time. I'm okay with one of those guys, you know,

2180
01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:50,519
Speaker 1: but if they don't get a receiver to your point,

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01:53:50,520 --> 01:53:52,479
Speaker 1: I'd love if they got you know, the Jamir Gibbs, Like,

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01:53:52,479 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm okay with like a weapon, if it doesn't have

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01:53:54,800 --> 01:53:56,640
Speaker 1: to come in a wide receiver package, if it's a

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01:53:56,880 --> 01:53:58,760
Speaker 1: you know, if it is a Dalton Kincaide who just

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01:53:58,880 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 1: is kind of going to be a moved time end,

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Speaker 1: it is what it is, I would be okay with it. Yeah.

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01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 1: I think guys like in Kaid I personally love Sam

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01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:09,200
Speaker 1: Laporta from Iowa. Both of those guys just scream Bill

2189
01:54:09,200 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: O'Brien matchup weapon. Find him a matchup on a linebacker

2190
01:54:13,160 --> 01:54:15,840
Speaker 1: and watch watch the tight end you know, win on

2191
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:18,959
Speaker 1: in a one on one. That that's Bill. Bill O'Brian's

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01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: bread and butter is finding those matchups, especially in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field, for guys that are quick and

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01:54:24,920 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: agile and just quicker than the guys that are covering

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01:54:27,960 --> 01:54:30,320
Speaker 1: them and then you just find them space and you

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01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:32,520
Speaker 1: get it up, get it to them and let it work. Yeah,

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01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:35,280
Speaker 1: and I think that Kincaid definitely would fit that Bill. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a very very interesting Thursday night always. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great show. I can't wait. I

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01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 1: just think, like you can wait. That does stink, But

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Speaker 1: I I just think if you're a true football fan,

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01:54:48,280 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the lifeblood of the NFL. And it's

2203
01:54:50,040 --> 01:54:52,240
Speaker 1: even just aside from the Patriots issues and needs and

2204
01:54:52,280 --> 01:54:54,520
Speaker 1: all those things, it's it's just exciting when you get

2205
01:54:54,520 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: these players in. I mean, you know, guys like Joe

2206
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Burrow coming to the league you don't realize and all

2207
01:54:58,200 --> 01:55:00,680
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're superstars and and kind of changing

2208
01:55:00,720 --> 01:55:02,920
Speaker 1: the whole dynamic of the league. Is say Flowers getting

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01:55:02,920 --> 01:55:05,160
Speaker 1: as much hype outside of New England as he is

2210
01:55:05,160 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 1: in New England, I would I would ask Evin, I

2211
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:13,040
Speaker 1: think the wide receiver and teams yeah are in on him.

2212
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:15,840
Speaker 1: Like I know. It's I always say it sounds crazy

2213
01:55:15,840 --> 01:55:18,440
Speaker 1: because if they have Stefon Diggs, but the Bills want

2214
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, like the Bills fandom is all over Za

2215
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,040
Speaker 1: Flowers as well, and they need that. Yeah, they need

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01:55:24,040 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: a number two receiver. Yeah, now absolutely. I think that's

2217
01:55:27,440 --> 01:55:30,480
Speaker 1: a big thing though. Is a is that he would

2218
01:55:30,600 --> 01:55:33,560
Speaker 1: be great in that offense next to Stefon Diggs? Is

2219
01:55:33,600 --> 01:55:35,360
Speaker 1: he a number one guy that can come here and

2220
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 1: do it all by himself? Not all by himself, but

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01:55:38,640 --> 01:55:40,480
Speaker 1: he would have to be the number one in Juju's

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01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:42,960
Speaker 1: Now the number two Juju is not, you know, going

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01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 1: to be the number one in that formula. So that

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01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 1: that's the one question with this whole receiver classes. Are

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01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:53,280
Speaker 1: these guys truly number one guys or are they really

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01:55:53,320 --> 01:55:57,120
Speaker 1: more like that number two complimentary skill set type of player.

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Speaker 1: Quickly around the room before we wrap up this show

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Speaker 1: and get ready for catch twenty two, which is coming

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Speaker 1: up next. If you had to pick one position right now,

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01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:11,600
Speaker 1: first round pick, let's assume the Patriots stay where they are.

2231
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:17,280
Speaker 1: Who what position are they choosing? Tackle? Tackle? You're going conservative?

2232
01:56:17,600 --> 01:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not what I'm what I mean if

2233
01:56:19,240 --> 01:56:21,760
Speaker 1: you ask me what I would a safe perceiver, but

2234
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say tackle because of the talent of it

2235
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:31,360
Speaker 1: that might be available. Yeah, evan tackle, tackle boring biggest

2236
01:56:31,440 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 1: need no, no, what position will they pick? I really,

2237
01:56:38,680 --> 01:56:42,480
Speaker 1: I really have no idea. None of us have any idea. No,

2238
01:56:43,320 --> 01:56:46,400
Speaker 1: But like I think the biggest need is tackle. I

2239
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,120
Speaker 1: don't really think it's that close to the next one.

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Speaker 1: So I'll say tackle just because I think it's the

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01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:56,080
Speaker 1: biggest deed and I think generally that's what they do.

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01:56:56,360 --> 01:56:58,760
Speaker 1: I would say tackle, cornerback. I just I think as

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01:56:58,840 --> 01:57:01,520
Speaker 1: much as I would be all in for Za Flowers

2244
01:57:01,520 --> 01:57:04,320
Speaker 1: at fourteen, I don't. I don't think it's a wide receiver,

2245
01:57:04,600 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 1: and so you can pencil it in they'll pick a

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01:57:06,560 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver just because I said that. But corner I would,

2247
01:57:09,840 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: I would love. I almost said corner, Yeah, I would.

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01:57:13,560 --> 01:57:15,960
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be tackle too, but I think

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01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:19,040
Speaker 1: if not tackle, it will be corner. Yeah. If Kristen

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01:57:19,080 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: Gonzalez fell or they got down and grabbed Deante Banks,

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Speaker 1: those those guys, all right, that's gonna do it for

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01:57:26,920 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 1: this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Like I said before, Catch

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01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:34,040
Speaker 1: twenty two is up next, and I've got a feeling

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01:57:34,080 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 1: that Evan and Alex will be talking about the draft

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Thank Thank you for downloading this podcast.

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