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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and Chuck's

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Speaker 2: here too, and Jerry's here too, and this is stuff

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Speaker 2: you should know about the history of exercising.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I found this super fascinating.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty fascinating.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I it just grabbed me.

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Speaker 4: And I guess it grabbed me earlier because it was

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Speaker 4: my idea because I think, I don't know, maybe i'd

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Speaker 4: seen Anchorman and they made the yogging joke, and then

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Speaker 4: I remembered hearing that, you know, exercises sort of new, right,

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Speaker 4: if you look at not only the history of humans,

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Speaker 4: but the history of America, it's only been around for

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Speaker 4: you know, you know, fifty ish years, sixty maybe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean in ancient times they were pretty into fitness,

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Speaker 2: but then it kind of dropped off for a couple

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Speaker 2: thousand years, and we picked it up again in nineteen

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Speaker 2: sixty roughly at very least the decade of the sixties.

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Speaker 2: And like you said, specifically in America in the United States,

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Speaker 2: I should.

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Speaker 3: Say, yeah, so should we do it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The whole thing is that the first half of

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Speaker 2: the twentieth century It's not like there weren't people exercising, right,

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Speaker 2: they were out there, they were just considered weirdos or possibly.

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Speaker 4: Gay, exactly. They didn't even really use the word exercise much.

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Speaker 4: It was called physical culture, and like you said, it

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Speaker 4: was a real niche thing. The obviously there were you know,

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Speaker 4: sports and athletes and people like that were doing physical training,

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Speaker 4: and the military did stuff like that, and there was bodybuilding,

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Speaker 4: but that was super niche too, But as far as

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Speaker 4: like your regular average American walking around, they were just

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Speaker 4: walking around or sitting in chairs.

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Speaker 2: They were walking around, eating a steak while they walked around.

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Speaker 4: That's what they were doing with the martini, and you

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Speaker 4: did mention, you know, possibly gay, and that was a

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Speaker 4: characteristic early on. Is like, if you are a man

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Speaker 4: and it's nineteen forty something or fifty something and you

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Speaker 4: want to have like a nice body and you want muscles,

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Speaker 4: people might say, well, you're probably gay or you're probably

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Speaker 4: a narcissist, because gems are for gay men to meet

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Speaker 4: each other.

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Speaker 3: And that was just sort of the perception at the time, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And then women didn't have it much better. They were

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Speaker 2: almost culturally forbidden from exercising it in the first place,

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Speaker 2: it was unlady like to engage in exercise, or typically

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Speaker 2: considered that. On top of that, exercises, you're exercising for yourself.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of the basis of exercise, and that also

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Speaker 2: seemed unseemly for women to engage in such a self

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Speaker 2: indulgent pursuit, right. And then on top of that, there

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Speaker 2: was a general idea that your uterus might fall out

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Speaker 2: if you exercise too vigorously.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, or just you know, you may not be able

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Speaker 4: to get pregnant if you exercise, So just don't do that.

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Speaker 3: Just stay on your feet all day and do the housework.

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Speaker 2: Right exactly, which, as we'll see, is actually an example

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Speaker 2: of moderate physical activity.

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Speaker 3: That's right. It's better than sitting down.

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Speaker 2: So in about nineteen sixty, if you asked Americans, hey,

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Speaker 2: do you exercise regularly? I'm surprised with this, about a

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Speaker 2: quarter of Americans would have.

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Speaker 3: Said, yes, that seemed high.

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Speaker 2: It does. It seems high to me too. In nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty seven, less than thirty years later, that answer to

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Speaker 2: that question was yes from almost seventy percent of people.

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Speaker 2: So in those three decades from nineteen sixty till the

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Speaker 2: eighties through the eighties, exercise came on the scene and

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Speaker 2: just jelled with the world. In the United States in particular.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would be curious to see that poll and

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Speaker 4: see exactly how it was worded and defined, right, because

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Speaker 4: that twenty four percent seems high. I could see people

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Speaker 4: just being like, well, sure I cut the lawn, right,

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Speaker 4: you know that kind of.

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Speaker 2: Thing, and regularly was once within the last three years.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you cut the lawn once every three years.

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Speaker 2: Right. So again, it wasn't just women who were considered

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Speaker 2: at risk health wise from exercise. Everybody was considered at risk.

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Speaker 2: If you exercise too much, you were probably over taxing

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Speaker 2: thought athletes were at risk of dying young from over

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Speaker 2: exerting themselves. And then it was finally, I think about

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Speaker 2: in the late forties when a British epidemiologist named Jeremy N.

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Speaker 2: Morris and that and and the Morris makes me want

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Speaker 2: to say Norris so bad. I mean, it's a real

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Speaker 2: it's a weird combination. But he said, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I like to jog, and I liked exercise, and I

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Speaker 2: think that this is wrong. So I'm going to go

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Speaker 2: about studying it in the most clever way possible.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty interesting study. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: Livia put this together for us, and as usual.

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Speaker 2: I think she crushed it, knocked it out of the park.

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Speaker 3: I had no notes. Not that we're usually noddy, No,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not very nody.

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Speaker 4: I like to just a gold star, right, But yeah,

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Speaker 4: he had a really ingenious and sort of contained way

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Speaker 4: to study this. He did lots of other studies, but

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Speaker 4: one of the ways he did it was he said,

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Speaker 4: you know, we got these big double decker buses in England.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's seen those.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's seen those, and there's there's two people who work

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Speaker 4: always huffing it up and down those stairs. And you know,

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Speaker 4: granted it's not like forty stairs or anything, but they're

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Speaker 4: and forth. So he was like, I got a nice

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Speaker 4: little captive audience of of people who are pretty similar

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Speaker 4: many heart attacks as conductors. And he was like, wait

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Speaker 4: a minute, did some more studying and said, hey, everybody,

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Speaker 4: I think exercising is good for your heart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and other people were like, wait a minute, let

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Speaker 2: us check it out. Well, wha, it's true. Study after

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Speaker 2: studies started coming in saying like, not only does exercise

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Speaker 2: not put you in an early grave, it actually probably

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Speaker 2: prevents you from an early grave. So maybe we should

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Speaker 2: all start exercising. So this was so in the fifties.

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Speaker 2: This was the era of proving that exercise was good

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Speaker 2: for you, and then by the time the sixties rolled around,

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Speaker 2: people were ready to start getting into it. And at

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Speaker 2: first it seems like they were. They were more hardcore,

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Speaker 2: surprisingly enough at first than we are today because you

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Speaker 2: look around and like so many people exercise today, especially

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Speaker 2: in comparison to like the sixties and seventies at the

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, these are the people that drank three

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they did not want hardcore.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, you're just going to do something, You're going

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Speaker 3: to do it hard.

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Speaker 4: So in fact, we were talking about those people because

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Speaker 4: the culture of work really changed since about the mid

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Speaker 4: nineteenth century when people moved away, not entirely, obviously we

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Speaker 4: of course in the mid seventies. There are a bunch

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Speaker 4: corporations about seven hundred million bucks a year. And this

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Speaker 4: I think in the sixties and seventies, Livia found some

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's who kicked off the boom. Today, the differential

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Speaker 2: gap in education where if you have college or some

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Speaker 2: college or a bachelor's degree, you're about twice as likely

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Speaker 2: has a degree from high school. Really interesting, it is interesting.

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Speaker 2: Another thing that happened too, not just the health aspect,

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Speaker 2: You could live longer, you could look better, so just

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Speaker 2: go exercise. Let's all give it a try.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. And into the eighties is when you

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Speaker 4: The whole fitness movement was almost geared toward women at

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Speaker 4: that point for a number of reasons. One was, you know,

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Speaker 4: The feminist movement that said, all right, if you're you're

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Speaker 4: gonna do that in the workplace, why not be strong

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Speaker 4: in your personal life, physically strong, strong like bull Yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 4: and so be strong and your work life, be strong

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Speaker 4: in your physical life. Title nine, of course, really helped

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Speaker 4: women and everyone across the gender spectrum exactly.

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Speaker 2: So the first thing that really caught everybody's attention was jogging.

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Speaker 2: That was the one that really laid the groundwork, and

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Speaker 2: jogging grew out of legitimate running like it came most

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Speaker 2: Lydiard as the guy who if he wasn't interested or

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Speaker 2: because in the sixties, he came up with training techniques

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Speaker 2: for marathon runners that people still use today. It's really simple,

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Speaker 2: really basic, but it's really effective. It's things like on

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Speaker 2: flat fifteen mile run or something like that. I don't

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Speaker 2: the fact that there was now a framework that anybody

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Speaker 2: could just buy this book or buy this pamphlet and

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Speaker 2: approach jogging that really kind of helped usher people in.

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Speaker 2: But again, bear in mind, this is an Olympic level

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Speaker 2: track coach who's establishing this stuff, and this was people's

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Speaker 2: first entree into jogging. So the earliest joggers were hard core,

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Speaker 2: like scary. I'm a little nervous about them. And we're

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Speaker 2: talking about people who are running around in the sixties

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they.

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Speaker 4: I think they like to be called runners, those types. Sure,

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Speaker 4: they're like, you're a jogger, Chuck, Actually not even.

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Speaker 2: That speed walker like Chris Paul, I should do speed

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Speaker 2: walking to me, Jim, I'm sorry, speedwalking is way harder

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Speaker 2: than jogging.

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Speaker 4: Oh do you mean like on your cardio or just

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Speaker 4: it becomes a popular thing everywhere, of course, and it

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00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: was gonna Yes, that's surprising.

436
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: And it was called Body by Gilda.

437
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 4: And it was not only a big deal because Body

438
00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 4: by Gilda was a big deal, but it was a

439
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 4: big deal because she ended up having two clients by

440
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 4: the name of Jane Fonda and Richard Simmons.

441
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:32,159
Speaker 2: Yes, huge, like so so. Gilda Marx essentially created the

442
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 2: popularity of aeroba and it's like jazzer size was there.

443
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: It was very popular. The like aerobic dancing that was

444
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: very popular too, But it was like celebrities like Jane

445
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,480
Speaker 2: Fonda and Richard Simmons who became a celebrity just for

446
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 2: getting into exercise that really really increased it in popularity.

447
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 2: And Jane Fonda just straight up ripped off Gilda Marx.

448
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: She took a couple of her classes at a Body

449
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: by Gilda in Century City and the next year she

450
00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: set up her own I think a couple of years later,

451
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: she published Jane Fonda's Workout Book, which became an extremely

452
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 2: popular bestseller. It was number one on the nonfiction list

453
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: and stayed there for six months.

454
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 3: By the way, two million books.

455
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 2: That's amazing. We're almost there. We're getting there with our book, right,

456
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: we're gnawing away at her record. But she also released

457
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: a VHS tape that was wildly popular too. And that's why,

458
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 2: I mean, people of a certain age today still associate

459
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: Jane Fonda with exercise and aerobics, and then the people

460
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 2: of a certain age parents associate her with funneling money

461
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: to the Viet Cong, Right, still do for sure? Yeah,

462
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 2: they're still mad about it.

463
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, still mad. Here's another stat for you. The

464
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: Jane Fonda Workout Tape was the first non movie VHS

465
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 4: tape to top the sales chart, and it was number

466
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 4: one as far as VHS sales go for six years

467
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 4: and the whole run of them.

468
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 3: She ended up making.

469
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: Follow up tapes, but the whole collected Jane fond of

470
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: Workout Tape set has sold I'm sorry, between eighty two

471
00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 4: and ninety five sold seventeen million days.

472
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: Wow.

473
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 3: Wow, that's fun.

474
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: I mean, numbers like that are amazing, she'd be. I

475
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 4: don't even what that translates to and record sales, but

476
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 4: it's what's the biggest platinum sellar?

477
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 2: Double plat platinum's a million?

478
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: Oh really, what's the best platinum or what's the high?

479
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 2: I think they just keep going like triple platinum, quadruple platinum.

480
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 1: That kind.

481
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 3: So she was seventeen platinum.

482
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is extraordinarily impressive, and that really does put

483
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: it into perspective because not a lot of records go platinum,

484
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 2: especially not think of times over. Yeah exactly, Although I

485
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: will say she didn't have that much competition back then.

486
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 2: The only other two movies on VHS were Beverly Hills

487
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 2: Cop and The Empire Strikes Back.

488
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: Very nice.

489
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 2: So the other person that was a body by Gilda

490
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: graduate after just one class, it turned out, yeah, sort

491
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 2: of was one of the greatest people ever to run

492
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: around planet Earth. Richard Simmons. He if you're not familiar

493
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: with Richard Simmons, or if you just know him from

494
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: finding Richard Simmons podcast, even if you're just tangentially familiar

495
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: with him from you know, living through the era where

496
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: he was on TV everywhere all the time, go check

497
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,959
Speaker 2: out Richard Simmons' testimony before Congress. He span has a

498
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: clip of it when he went and testified before Congress

499
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 2: I think of the nineties, maybe early nineties, I think,

500
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: And he gives it's Richard Simmons in a suit and tie,

501
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 2: so just that is worth going to see. It's bizarre

502
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: to see. But then he opens his mouth and it's

503
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: just the same old Richard Simmons, and he gives this

504
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: impassioned speech that like will kind of make you tear

505
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,200
Speaker 2: up a little bit and give you chills. And then

506
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: he also had some laughs in there. He's just great,

507
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: just a great person. And this guy everyone at the

508
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: time thought he was just totally No one ever thought

509
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 2: Richard Simmons was like he was never normal, right, but

510
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: he was so himself that he just sucked people into

511
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: his orbit and he became like a really really popular star,

512
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: I would guess, one of the most famous people in

513
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: the world for a brief period in the early eighties.

514
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 4: Absolutely like you said, he got kicked out of body

515
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 4: by Gilda and the one class that he went to

516
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 4: by being Richard Simmons basically, and then eventually founded a business.

517
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 4: At first it was an exercise studio slash salad bar.

518
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: I get what he's trying to do there. It was

519
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 4: called Roughage an anatomy asylum. And then eventually he was like,

520
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 4: you know, let's drop the salad bar. Let's just make

521
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: it a fitness center. Then obviously had the Richard Simmons

522
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 4: Show in nineteen eighty, started putting out those VHS tapes

523
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 4: in eighty three, and then in the late eighties. It's

524
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 4: all leading to this moment he puts out Sweating to

525
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 4: the Oldies, which I believe to date has grossed over

526
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 4: two hundred million dollars.

527
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: Amazing. It became the best selling home fitness video ever,

528
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: not Jane Fonda.

529
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, to the top of the heap, take that Pink Floyd.

530
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and don't forget deal a Meal. Remember that was

531
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: wildly successful too.

532
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 3: Oh, that's right, that was it.

533
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. It was like some color coded cards and you

534
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: could put different color coded cards together in your little

535
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: Dealer meal portfolio and that would be your meal for

536
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: the day. And if you followed these the instructions, you

537
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 2: would be able to lose weight. And he was really

538
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 2: into losing weight because he had been very overweight as

539
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 2: a child, and he was dedicated to making sure that

540
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: other people didn't suffer the way that he suffered. Yeah,

541
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 2: and he was very much dedicated, very sweet. He he

542
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 2: wasn't a phony, I guess. No.

543
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: He was true to himself. He wanted to have fun

544
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: while he worked out. I love the guy. I know

545
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 3: you do too. He's just he's just one of the

546
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: great humans.

547
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. He was also on a letterman a lot like

548
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: frequently great for sure, because he had a sense of

549
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: humor about himself. He wasn't like unaware of what people

550
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: how people looked at him.

551
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: He just didn't care, and they both played their part.

552
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: I think Letterman he wasn't. I don't think, honestly, don't

553
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 4: think Letterman was as genuinely freaked out and turned off

554
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 4: by Richard Simmons in real life. I think it was

555
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 4: all just a bit and he's great. And you know,

556
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 4: I didn't follow the I didn't listen to h finding

557
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 4: Richard Simmons, but I did sort of follow the story

558
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 4: a little bit, and like my big takeaway was, and

559
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 4: I know they may have meant well because they thought

560
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 4: he was being held against his will, but I love

561
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: that the end result was like Richard Simmons is fine,

562
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 4: leave him alone, he doesn't want to be bothered anymore.

563
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 4: Just him, let him live his life, you know. So

564
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 4: winding down the talk of aerobics is when I want

565
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 4: to talk about my mom for a minute, because Lyvia

566
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 4: points out that, you know, it was marketed to women

567
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: as a way to like get in shape and lose weight,

568
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 4: but also to empower yourselves and to have some time

569
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: with other women. And my mom was like, and it

570
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 4: sounds like your mom to a certain degree, but my

571
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 4: mom specifically was sort of ideally in all the wrong ways,

572
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 4: situated to really get into this because she was. It

573
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 4: was in the eighties. She was in a very unhappy marriage.

574
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: Without getting into a lot of specifics, it was it

575
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: was not a good scene in my house, and my

576
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 4: parents didn't like each other much. My dad wasn't a

577
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 4: supportive good guy, and my mom dove into aerobics at

578
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 4: the American Fitness Center like I'd never seen anyone dive

579
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 4: into something.

580
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 3: Before, become an instructor. She became an instructor.

581
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 4: She later became a spinning instructor into her seventies I think,

582
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: or at least late sixties.

583
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 3: And my dad was and I didn't.

584
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 4: Really realize this at the time, but this is all

585
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 4: what was sort of just coming into my eyeballs and

586
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 4: my ear holes as a kid. He was not supportive

587
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 4: of it. He was threatened by it. He was a

588
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 4: I wish I could cuss. He was a real jerk

589
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: about it.

590
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 3: Uh.

591
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: It's just interesting to look back at, like there were

592
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 4: a lot of women like my mom, I think in

593
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 4: the eighties.

594
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could see him like talking her down about

595
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: it and her just being like, I can't hear you.

596
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 2: I'm empowering myself right now.

597
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,959
Speaker 4: Did your mom do this like would she just sit

598
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 4: around while the TV was on and do like leglists

599
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 4: and stuff.

600
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was into all sorts of stuff like that,

601
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: like just had any like made for TV, not made

602
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 2: for TVs as seen on TV. Like exercise item we

603
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 2: probably had, remember the thigh master, Oh sure, and that

604
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: one thing It was like kind of a weird metal

605
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: cradle that helped you do sit ups and crunches better.

606
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 2: You just kind of rock back and forth on. We

607
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: had one of those. Had the mini trampolines. We had

608
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: all that.

609
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 3: I remember it was called the something Rocker. I think,

610
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: actually I do remember.

611
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Probably it had to have been not that was a

612
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: real miss.

613
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, But just to cherry on top of this with

614
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: my mom, I think not only was it empowering for her,

615
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 4: but I think it was also I think she was

616
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: totally sticking it to my dad At.

617
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: The same time. I don't think my mom was trying

618
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: to stick it to my dad. But yeah, she sure

619
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 2: liked aerobics. Yeah, I'm sure it was empowering for her too,

620
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: definitely for sure.

621
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

622
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 5: All right, so second break, second break starting now, all right,

623
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 5: so we need to talk about gems and gym culture.

624
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 5: The word gymnasium comes from the Greek gymns for naked

625
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 5: They in Germany. I think in the eighteen hundreds that's all.

626
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 5: They got real into gyms for a while and exercising,

627
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 5: but it was very spotty and obviously not a very

628
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 5: big thing at all culturally in the world for the

629
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 5: most part. But gyms were known, you know, like YMCA's

630
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 5: in the sixties and seventies were around.

631
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 4: They were kind of not great. They kind of were stinky,

632
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: like any gym back then just wasn't like an awesome

633
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 4: place to go, Like, you didn't feel great walking into

634
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: one usually. But in nineteen thirty nine, a couple of

635
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 4: gyms opened that were that really changed the game. This

636
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 4: is nineteen thirty nine. Jack Lalane, health guru legend, opened

637
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: what's looked at as the very first health club in

638
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 4: the United States in Oakland, California, And that same year

639
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: a guy named Vic Tanny opened up a gym his

640
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 4: first gym in Santa Monica and Your Muscle Beach, both

641
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 4: in nineteen thirty nine.

642
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack Lalane became kind of like that generation's well

643
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Charles Atlas, but they kind of

644
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: overlapped its same time. I saw him on a nineteen

645
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: eighty something episode of The Richard Simmons Show as like

646
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: a special cast. But he was like a big proselytizer

647
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: and he told everybody to go work out because they're

648
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: getting pudgy, that kind of stuff. Vic Tanny he went

649
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 2: a different way. He, from what I can tell, established

650
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: the health club, which was huge in the seventies and eighties.

651
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: Health clubs where it was a place where you could

652
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: go not just work out with weights or whatever, but

653
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: they might have a pool, they probably had a racketball court.

654
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,120
Speaker 2: A few of us for sure, they might have Apparently

655
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: some Vic Tanny clubs had ice skating rinks. I mean

656
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: like it was like you would go and you could

657
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: spend hours there and they were really nice. But vic

658
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 2: Tanny's whole model, I guess he overspent because they went

659
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: out of business I think in the sixties. But they

660
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: were so so beloved that other owners, local owners and

661
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 2: sometimes regional owners would just start buying them up and

662
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 2: just turn them into something else, which is still a

663
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: model that gets followed today.

664
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, like if you like to go to a gym

665
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 4: that has a whirlpool at a sauna and a steam

666
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 4: room and like you said, a racketball court. Like you

667
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 4: can thank Vic Tanny for that. He was the guy

668
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 4: that came up with this sort of all encompassing really

669
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 4: like something for everyone and also a place that you

670
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 4: want to go to that's not smelly and gross.

671
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: Right, I mean, they're always a little bit smelly, It depends.

672
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 2: It depends. We used to go to one called Urban

673
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 2: Active and it did not smell, and Urban hold out

674
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 2: to La Fitness and it began to smell. Yeah, it

675
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,280
Speaker 2: was very disappointing. Man, I'm telling you. The men's sauna

676
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 2: totally fine, and then within weeks it was like this

677
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: smells like button here. I can't even say in ten minutes.

678
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 3: Did the rules change or the cleaning methods?

679
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: Like the cleaning methods, it's the explanation.

680
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 3: Did everyone never mind?

681
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I don't know, because I don't think the clientele

682
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: changed that quickly. You know, everybody's membership got transferred over.

683
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 2: It's just I think they stopped cleaning the butt smell

684
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 2: out of this aunus, which is what you want to

685
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 2: do if you have a public sawn.

686
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 4: Okay, So now the health club is established in the

687
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 4: sort of mid early to mid nineteen sixties, like you said,

688
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: people jumped in there when Vic Tanny's chain went out

689
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 4: of business.

690
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 3: Some were mom and pops.

691
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: Sometimes companies would come in to start their own new

692
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 4: jam and buy up a bunch of them. Nautilus was

693
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 4: one of those that bought up a bunch of Victanny's

694
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 4: closed stores or what are we calling fitness centers stores,

695
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 4: And Nautilus was a big deal because it's like, hey,

696
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: like free weights can be intimidating for some people, and

697
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 4: like at Nautilus you can just change the setting and

698
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 4: it's a big machine and it's the same as freeweights.

699
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 4: I don't really know if it's the actual same or not,

700
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 4: but they marketed it as like you're still lifting weights.

701
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: No, it's true, you definitely are. And it allowed people

702
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: a lot more entry into it. Like today, like you

703
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: go into a gym, there's so many machines there. That's

704
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: directly from Arthur Jones and his Nautilus machines that he

705
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 2: he started creating by hand. Basically he was like a

706
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Kellogg brother.

707
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Oh wow, I like those things.

708
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. His whole thing was you you can

709
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: also exercise, get a full exercise or full workout and

710
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 2: much shorter amount of time than you could with weights,

711
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 2: and he basically emphasized working out until you just you

712
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: you had a temporary muscle failure and then you knew

713
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 2: you were done with your workout for the day. Right,

714
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 2: So seriously, that's what he encouraged.

715
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 3: Muscle failure. Yeah.

716
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 4: Uh So by the seventies when these clubs were opening up,

717
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 4: there were there were a couple of different models. One

718
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 4: was sort of the country club style that was probably

719
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: a country club and also had like racket sports and

720
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 4: all that other stuff, whirlpool and steam room. And then

721
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 4: there was the ones that my mom went to and

722
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 4: probably your mom went to that was probably in a

723
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: shopping center. Some of those could be really good and

724
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 4: some of them were pretty CREDI like anything else. If

725
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 4: it's just sort of not some huge chain, you know,

726
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: some are gonna be awesome, some aren't.

727
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, my family went belonged to several different racket clubs

728
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: in Toledo, And the reason why so many is because

729
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 2: we had a long string of getting like your multi

730
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 2: year memberships at a racquet club and then within a

731
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: few months it would just go under. So we'd move

732
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: on to the next racket club and they'd take a

733
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 2: lot of our money too. So I think we did

734
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 2: this at least three times that I was aware of

735
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 2: when I was a kid. But we always had a

736
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: racket club membership somewhere.

737
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 4: I fully thought you were gonna say, because you had

738
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 4: a run of getting expelled as a family went around.

739
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 2: Luckily not, No, we knew how to am in.

740
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 3: Okay, I wish that would have been the case. That

741
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,359
Speaker 3: would have been a good time.

742
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 2: I can lie if you want to go back and

743
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 2: re record that part.

744
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: No, that's right.

745
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 2: So I think one of the gyms that people associate

746
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 2: with gyms in general is Gold Gym, And even still

747
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: to this day, that's like if you if you want

748
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: serious training and you're going to like you're not messing around,

749
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: You're not there to meet anybody except maybe a mentor

750
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: who's going to teach you how to get even more buff.

751
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,839
Speaker 3: That's where you would go as a Golds gym for sure.

752
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: That was started by a bodybuilder named Joe Gold. And yeah,

753
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 4: you're totally right. I mean since the sixties it has

754
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 4: that rep. Is like a sort of serious weightlifters gym

755
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 4: Bally Total Bally Total Fitness, which if I'm not mistaken,

756
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: there may still be some independent American fitness centers, but

757
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 4: the ones that we belonged to, I believe Bally bought

758
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 4: them out and took them over.

759
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, Well, Bally's gone now.

760
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 2: I saw a twenty fifteen article there were five left

761
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 2: in the world.

762
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 3: Really well this is a name.

763
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Ok.

764
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was during the boom Sure and that was

765
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: founded by a former employee of Vic Tanny named Donna

766
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 4: Hugh Wildman, and like you said, was huge and then

767
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 4: sort of gave way to a their places like La

768
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 4: Fitness and twenty four hour Fittes.

769
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that whole reputation of gyms and health clubs

770
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 2: being impossible to cancel your membership and taking advantage of you,

771
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: that model was paided by Ballytotal Fitness. They were the ones. Yeah,

772
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: like they would you signed up for a three year contract,

773
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 2: but they didn't tell you that when you were signing up,

774
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: like business tactics like that. I wrote a story about

775
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 2: a woman who signed up for a lifetime contract in

776
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven, paid fifty three dollars I think a

777
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 2: year and was still getting billed after Ballytotal Fitness went

778
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: like bankrupt, Like that's how much of it like shady

779
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: they were. They could still bill you even though they

780
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 2: weren't around any longer.

781
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was the cell phone contract of.

782
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 2: The exactly exactly, but that came from Ballytotal Fitness and

783
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: then twenty four hour Fitness actually won a different way.

784
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: A guy named Mark Mastrov was the first one to

785
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 2: institute monthly memberships rather than the standard annual ones.

786
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 3: Great ideeah for sure.

787
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, people loved it and they got that name after

788
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 4: Mastroff realized it was originally six am to eleven, but

789
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: he was like, people are out here waiting for this

790
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 4: place to open. They don't want to leave at the

791
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: end of the night, So screw it, I'm taking the

792
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 4: locks off the door exactly.

793
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 2: Let yourselves in have a great time.

794
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 4: What else, So you mentioned Curves, That is a huge thing.

795
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 4: There were women centric or women only fitness clubs like

796
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 4: as early as the nineteen sixties, but Curves is the

797
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 4: first one that was really like, you know what, if

798
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 4: you're over forty five and you're a woman and you

799
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: don't want to go to the gym to get hit

800
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 4: on by these gross guys and get galcked at or

801
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 4: laughed at or whatever, come to curves, we got a

802
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 4: program for you. It was started by a husband and

803
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 4: wife team, Gary and Diane Heaven with an Eye, and

804
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 4: I believe at one point or maybe still, it's the

805
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: largest fitness franchise in the world.

806
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: They had like one hundred thousand different one hundred thousand locations,

807
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,760
Speaker 2: ten thousand Oh was it okay? Still?

808
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's still a lot.

809
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, And again it was all over the world,

810
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: so it was pretty cool. Also, by the way, I

811
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: to myself pronounced their last name he even, but I

812
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: like your interpretation much more really, Yeah, okay, so Chuck.

813
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: There's still plenty of fitness clubs around. I think LA

814
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: Fitness is the leader, with more than two billion in

815
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:27,439
Speaker 2: revenue a year. But one of the things that really

816
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: kind of happened starting in the nineties was that the

817
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: kind of fitness crazy just spread out. There was jogging, aerobics,

818
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,760
Speaker 2: and maybe going to the gym, and then health clubs

819
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: kind of started. And then finally people are like, we've

820
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 2: done all this for a decade or so, now we

821
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 2: need some other stuff. So in a few cases they

822
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: actually went back to the future and grabbed some established

823
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: means of working out or exercising and revamped it for

824
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: the for the new millennium.

825
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and yoga was certainly one of those. I just

826
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 4: started yoga two weeks ago, by the way, Yeah, for

827
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 4: the first time.

828
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: In the last month or so. It's kind of gotten

829
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: under my skin. It's really awesome, isn't it.

830
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's kicking my butt too. And I didn't underestimate.

831
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 4: I wasn't like, oh, you're just stretching and you're on

832
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: the floor and doing stuff like posing and stuff. It

833
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 4: wasn't like I thought it was going to be easy.

834
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 4: But it's kicking my butt and I'm like more sore

835
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 4: than I've been doing almost anything else.

836
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 2: It's awesome. You also gained strength very quickly, though, like surprisingly.

837
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 4: Quickly, and balance, and yoga is a great thing to

838
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: pick up at any time, but especially like you know,

839
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: in your fifties, because balance and core strength and all

840
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 4: that stuff as you age is really super important.

841
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: For sure, It's always important. Yeah, well, yeah, flexibility.

842
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: But yoga started, you know, in the nineteenth century and

843
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: in the sixties and then seventies or a couple of

844
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: really big PBS shows that grabbed the attention of a

845
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,760
Speaker 4: lot of people and it's just always been pretty popular

846
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 4: and has never been more popular than it is now.

847
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the nineteenth century is when it first was introduced

848
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: to the United States.

849
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 3: I think, oh, is it like an ancient practice? Probably?

850
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it goes way back, way back.

851
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: I think that's what I meant.

852
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: And there's where my one hundred thousand came from that

853
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 2: I was confused about curves. There's at least one hundred

854
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: thousand yoga studios in the United States alone, and one

855
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: thing that's cool about yoga in particular is there are

856
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 2: some franchises, which is fine, but most yoga studios are

857
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 2: independently owned. They're just somebody who loves yoga so much

858
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: they opened up their own studio and you can come

859
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 2: to yoga there.

860
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

861
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 4: And that's kind of the same with our next not

862
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 4: fad because it's been around for a while, but pilates.

863
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: It's kind of similar in that people will a lot

864
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 4: of mom and pop pilates places like for instance, the

865
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 4: person I dated in New Jersey, she ended up after

866
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 4: I left and we broke up and stuff. She moved

867
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 4: to Savannah, Georgia from New Jersey and started up her

868
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: own plate studio and This wasn't something that she did

869
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 4: at all when I was there, So it's definitely something

870
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 4: I think that, like yoga, people can get into it

871
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 4: and really get into it such that either I want

872
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 4: to be an instructor or I want to open up

873
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 4: my own business around it.

874
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: Sure, and plates was named after Joseph Platts. I think

875
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 2: you said.

876
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: I didn't say that, Oh, okay, So it is.

877
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 2: Named after Joseph Platts. He was a German circus performer

878
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,879
Speaker 2: and his circus happened to be in the UK when

879
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: World War One broke out and they said, oh you're German,

880
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 2: We're going to lock you up for four years while

881
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,880
Speaker 2: the war goes on. So he and his whole troop

882
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 2: spent World War One locked up in the UK. And

883
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: while he was there, he started developing an exercise regimen

884
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 2: based on stretching that apparently saw cats chasing mice and

885
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: birds around the prison, and so he came up with

886
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: these exercises that imitated that. He claimed that when the

887
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen flu epidemic came to the island that he

888
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 2: was imprisoned on, not one person who followed his exercise

889
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 2: regimen got sick from it. Whether that's true or not,

890
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 2: it's a pretty great story. And then one other great

891
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 2: story about him is that he smoked fifteen cigars and

892
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,720
Speaker 2: drank a leader of booze every day.

893
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:22,439
Speaker 3: What a guy.

894
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: And he was like one of the gurus of fitness

895
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: from I mean we're talking back in the teens in

896
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties.

897
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's amazing. I should probably plug Carol's studio. Oh yeah,

898
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 4: it's a Momentum Pilate studio and Samannah and I haven't

899
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: been in touch with her since then, So go to

900
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: Momentum and tell him.

901
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 3: Tell her Chuck sent't you and she'll I'm.

902
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: Sure she'll say like, oh, yeah, whatever happened to that guy?

903
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: Nice? Very nice. And the people who come will say, oh,

904
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: let us tell you.

905
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, she'd be like a pod what.

906
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: So Bars another one. They were definitely worth mentioning because

907
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 2: it incorporates elements of ballet, yoga, pilates and it's named

908
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: after the bar that well basically the handrail that runs

909
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 2: across the length of a wall that ballerinas frequently used.

910
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: But it was created by a German ballerina in the

911
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,280
Speaker 2: forties or fifties now the fifties who fled to England.

912
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: She was her name was Lottie Burke, and she was

913
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: a free love advocate and so when she established bar

914
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: in the Bar exercises, she also coupled it with not

915
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: only is this going to make you feel great, it's

916
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,120
Speaker 2: going to help your sex life. And that was an

917
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 2: overt message of taking bar from this through the sixties

918
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: and the seventies.

919
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 3: I would have pronounced that, by the way, Lota.

920
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 2: Well, unlucky for you, I said it.

921
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 4: First, you gather a very like Wisconsin e lotty ring

922
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 4: to it, Lotti, give me a lotty lotty. Burke boot

923
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 4: camp workouts became very popular in the nineties. Obviously took

924
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:03,400
Speaker 4: on that sort of military style training where you didn't

925
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 4: need a lot of stuff, You just needed to meet

926
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 4: a bunch of strangers in a city park and have

927
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 4: someone yell at you for an hour for sure.

928
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: What about Tybo?

929
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: Tybo was created by Billy Blanks, who was legit. He

930
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: was the US Karate team captain for US Karate and

931
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: the US Olympic Karate team, so he was I mean,

932
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 2: he knew what he was doing, and he created Tybo,

933
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:33,720
Speaker 2: which kind of incorporated kickboxing aerobics. If you've ever seen

934
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 2: if you were alive. I guess in probably the nineties

935
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 2: you saw the Billy Blanks Tybo infomercial and he managed

936
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: to sell a ton of tapes from that infomercial. It

937
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 2: was a very successful infomercial. I'm not sure how much

938
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: tibo is done still today, but I looked it up

939
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: to see if it was, you know, is it legit?

940
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 2: And it definitely is a legit workout.

941
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 4: Oh sure, it's a butt kicker. I tried it once

942
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't do this. Yeah, but

943
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 4: it was another example of one of those that really

944
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 4: caught on in Hollywood in LA and so it had

945
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 4: a short, short ish life. I'm sure people still do it,

946
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 4: but the big Tybo craze.

947
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: Was a few years for sure.

948
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 4: What about high intensity interval training hitt hit. I know

949
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: this as Toabada because I was seeing a trainer for

950
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,240
Speaker 4: a while and we did. She put me through Toabada

951
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 4: basically every time. And that was named after a sports

952
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 4: scientist's named Izumi Tabata who in the mid nineties was

953
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: working with Olympic speed skating coaches to create what was

954
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: a form of high intensity interval training.

955
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 2: Right where you do something like pushups or burpies or

956
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: mountain climbers or something like that for maybe twenty seconds,

957
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 2: rest for ten seconds, and then you're immediately off into

958
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 2: the next exercise for twenty seconds, and sometimes after four

959
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 2: minutes you might get a minute of rest. It depends

960
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 2: on how long the Tobata workout is. Like a twelve

961
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: minute one, you would not get any rest in between.

962
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: Certainly not a minute, I should say. But the point

963
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 2: is you're getting a high intensity workout in a very

964
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 2: short amount of time. So you're doing like a twelve

965
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 2: to twenty minute workout and you're getting the same impact

966
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: that you would have gotten from say like a thirty

967
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: to forty minute workout of lower intensity, but still not

968
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 2: low intensity, I mean moderate intensity training. This is just

969
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: super duper intensity, high intensity training, and Tabata definitely established that.

970
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great if you're short on time. Obviously, I

971
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 4: think our workouts were thirty minutes, and you know, they

972
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 4: were great.

973
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it. There were butt kickers, but I liked.

974
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 2: It, yeah, I should say. Speaking of Toabada Japanese guy,

975
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: you reminded me that like exercise is really really big

976
00:50:56,120 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 2: in Japan, so much so that people have or definitely

977
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 2: had loud speakers in their house and like in their

978
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 2: local community or maybe even their region. Every morning they

979
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 2: would be like, good morning, it's time to do exercises,

980
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 2: and everybody would do the same exercises in their house

981
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: to the voice over the loud speakers called radio taiso.

982
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 3: Oh interesting. And they also did like corporate calisthenics and stuff.

983
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, they were just into like collective exercise for

984
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 2: a long time.

985
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: That's great.

986
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 4: And then the last couple we'll talk about are zumba

987
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: and CrossFit. Zumba very popular, still popular. Apparently was created

988
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 4: by accident in the mid nineties by Alberto Beto Perez

989
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 4: and he was a sixteen year old aerobics teacher in Colombia. Apparently,

990
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 4: as the story goes, at least forgot the usual music

991
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,839
Speaker 4: and said, I'll just play the music that I have

992
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 4: and it turned into sort of a fun Latin dance

993
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 4: exercise class.

994
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just took off like a rocket. I think

995
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: he was on the cover of Ink magazine once. I

996
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 2: mean like he just like it was just crazy how

997
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: how much it took off. And it's still huge. Soom

998
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: was still very much popular a couple of decades later.

999
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 2: And then CrossFit is wildly popular too, not among everybody,

1000
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 2: but the people that it's popular with. It's wildly popular,

1001
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: so much so that it's commonly referred to as like

1002
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 2: a cult or something like that, because people love talking

1003
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 2: about CrossFit and proselytizing for it. But the point of

1004
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 2: CrossFit is kind of like what Arthur Jones, the Nautilus creator,

1005
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: was talking about, where you work out until you are

1006
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,960
Speaker 2: you like just short of injuring yourself, essentially, where you

1007
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 2: feel like you want to throw up and like you

1008
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 2: can't do anymore. And it combines weightlifting, gymnastics, a bunch

1009
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 2: of different stuff, but it's a really really intense workout

1010
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: that you really have to work your way up to.

1011
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: You shouldn't just jump into a CrossFit class. And if

1012
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: you go to a good CrossFit boxes what the studio

1013
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,760
Speaker 2: are called, they're not going to just let you jump

1014
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: into it, right, because you can really hurt yourself.

1015
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm CrossFit. Doesn't interesting you know me either.

1016
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: We've done it before and it's not fun.

1017
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm making yoga though Emily and are doing it together.

1018
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 3: It's fun. Yeah.

1019
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: And if you like CrossFit, hey man, we're not yucking

1020
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: your young well, of course our own personal experience, so

1021
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 2: settle down.

1022
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 3: No, I don't want to work out until I throw up.

1023
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,720
Speaker 3: That's me. Yeah, for sure, this is a good one.

1024
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 2: It was a good one. I hope we inspired you

1025
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 2: to do some exercise because it's good for you. I

1026
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: don't care what anybody says. It's good for you. And

1027
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 2: even if it's not good for weight loss, which we

1028
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 2: found over the years, definitely not, it's good for mental health.

1029
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 2: I think we've said plenty of times. So just that alone.

1030
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: Makes it worthwhile, very worthwhile.

1031
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 2: If you want to know more about exercising, then just start.

1032
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 2: It's really easy these days. And since I said that,

1033
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 2: it's time for listener.

1034
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 3: Mail, I'm going to call this coliseum follow up.

1035
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 4: Hey, guys, quick note about the how do we pronounce

1036
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 4: it hippogium or hypogem?

1037
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

1038
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 2: I think I called it a hypogium.

1039
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 3: Hypogum, all right.

1040
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,280
Speaker 4: Quick note about the Hypogeum and the mock naval battles

1041
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 4: that were reportedly held inside the Colosseum. As you noted,

1042
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 4: the Hypogeum was created after the Amphitheater was built. The

1043
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 4: flooding of the floor of the Colosseum only happened in

1044
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 4: the first decade of the structure and before the hypogm

1045
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 4: Hypogeum sorry was dug and created. Once the Hypogeum was constructed,

1046
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 4: it was no longer possible to flood and drain the Colosseum.

1047
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 3: That makes sense, and that is from Dave Stemble.

1048
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 2: Dave those great, to the point authoritative, like a shake

1049
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 2: from Jim Carter.

1050
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:44,959
Speaker 3: That's right.

1051
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 2: If you want to get in touch with this like

1052
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 2: Dave Dave did, Dave's got a great handshake too, I'm

1053
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 2: sure you can send us an email. Send it off

1054
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1055
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