WEBVTT - A Tough Call...Or Is It?

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<v Speaker 1>A tough call, or is it? It's one more thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm strong and getty.

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<v Speaker 2>One more thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll top off this story with my tale that

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<v Speaker 1>I've told many times on the air of jumping in

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<v Speaker 1>the midst of a bar fight and realizing I was

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<v Speaker 1>saving the wrong person at the end getting my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>leather jacket covered in blood. Anyway, this happened on a

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<v Speaker 1>United Airlines flight. This is not the least bit funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you seen this story? Maniac flyer viciously beats deaf,

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<v Speaker 1>nonverbal passenger until cavin is splattered with blood. No good

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this.

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<v Speaker 3>This is horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>A brutal beatdown happened about two hours into a United

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<v Speaker 1>Airlines flight from San Francisco to Washington Dulles yesterday. It

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<v Speaker 1>started when a forty four year old got up to

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<v Speaker 1>use the bathroom. His name is Everett Chad Nelson. We

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<v Speaker 1>should know this person's name. While returning to a steaton,

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<v Speaker 1>Nelson stopped at seat twelve F for some reason, and

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<v Speaker 1>without notice, began physically attacking a sleeping male passenger by

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<v Speaker 1>punching him repeatedly in the face until blood was drawn

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<v Speaker 1>and spewing around the cabin. The next thing I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard these blood curdling screams, says one woman who

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<v Speaker 1>was in a row behind her. He was just very

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<v Speaker 1>violently and very aggressively, just pumling the guy who was

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<v Speaker 1>in the window seat, who was in front of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was vicious. This wasn't like a barroom. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to throw a couple of punches. I mean, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a vicious pumbling. Listen to this part. Was there

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<v Speaker 1>no dude around who would do anything about this? Nelson

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<v Speaker 1>rained blows on the defenseless man for a full minute

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<v Speaker 1>before a good samaritan jumped in and ripped him off.

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<v Speaker 2>The victim. A minute's a long.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, Oh, I mean that's a long I mean five seconds,

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<v Speaker 1>ten seconds, twenty seconds is a long time for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be thinking, show I do something?

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<v Speaker 2>Is anybody going to do something? What is going on?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, blah blah blah. A minute.

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<v Speaker 4>People wonder how many people? I wonder how many people

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<v Speaker 4>pulled out their phones? Though, to take a video right

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<v Speaker 4>is common. Now We've all seen videos of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody's getting the crap beat out of them, somebody defenseles

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<v Speaker 1>a child, even I've seen these. Everybody's got their phone out.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody's willing to do anything about it. Everybody's willing to

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<v Speaker 1>video it. Nielsen rained down blows for a minute. Nelson

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<v Speaker 1>split the man's nose nose open, causing blood to splash

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<v Speaker 1>over the seat, the cabin wall, the window, and all

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<v Speaker 1>over the close of the people around. Victim was left

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<v Speaker 1>with two black eyes. A doctor who happened to be

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<v Speaker 1>on board treated the man. So I don't really know

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<v Speaker 1>much more about this, but I'm just surprised.

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<v Speaker 2>Was there no dude around to do something?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, because if you've got a violent lunatic like that,

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<v Speaker 1>he might who knows he's going after next? Something's got

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<v Speaker 1>to be done. Where were they where the stewardesses? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a taser. Yeah, you can't have somebody being

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<v Speaker 1>that crazy for a full minute. There's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>some way to stop it, because it could be doing

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<v Speaker 1>anything trying to open the door, beating somebody trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get out of the cockpit. Don't I thought we Post

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<v Speaker 1>nine to eleven had ways to deal with crazy people.

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<v Speaker 3>Did we have any clue what this dude? What Branda crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>He is?

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<v Speaker 2>Not what's going on there?

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<v Speaker 3>Because it sounds like he needs to be in prison

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<v Speaker 3>for the rest of his days.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it does.

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<v Speaker 3>Attacking a sleeping man and beating him bloody. He's obviously

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<v Speaker 3>a psycho, he's obviously got mental problems with some sort,

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<v Speaker 3>but he's dangerous. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh so the guy was asleep according to this report,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's hard to imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just craziness.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, speaking of a similar fare, and this is a

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<v Speaker 3>grim Grim podcast, I'd like it to be known that

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<v Speaker 3>I Joe was not in charge of this too, grim.

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<v Speaker 3>But Daniel Penny's homicide trial has begun in New York.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember Daniel Penny, the former marine who put

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<v Speaker 3>the lunatic in a chokehold who was menacing passengers on

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<v Speaker 3>a New York City subway train? When was that? Was

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<v Speaker 3>that last year or so? Last spring? Penny, who happens

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<v Speaker 3>to be white, was indicted by the infamous Alvin Bragg,

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<v Speaker 3>not long after Bragg indicted Donald Trump in the farcical

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<v Speaker 3>case that was tried earlier this year, and Annie McCarthy

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<v Speaker 3>points out of the National Review, there's a symmetry here.

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<v Speaker 3>The Progressive Prosecutor project is mainly about two things. Using

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<v Speaker 3>government's law enforcement apparatus against the political enemies of progressive Democrats,

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<v Speaker 3>a whole lawfair thing, and converting the justice system into

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<v Speaker 3>a racialized morality play, not just law and order, but

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<v Speaker 3>oppressors and oppressed. And here's something you have not heard

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<v Speaker 3>in the mainstream media discussion of this case, which is

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<v Speaker 3>desperate for the white guy mean to black guy narrative,

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<v Speaker 3>because it was so hot there for the summer of

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<v Speaker 3>George Floyd Neely, the dead guy Jordan Neely, who absolutely

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<v Speaker 3>had mental problems. He was a mentally unstable career criminal.

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<v Speaker 3>He had over forty arrests to his name, thirty plus

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<v Speaker 3>of them, and I wish I had this number in

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<v Speaker 3>front of me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's thirty.

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<v Speaker 3>Two of them. Of his forty arrests were for assaulting

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<v Speaker 3>people on subway trains. Wow, you get to just keep.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing that over and over and over again, like three

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<v Speaker 1>dozen times, or probably way more than that, because we

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<v Speaker 1>all know you get caught and arrested for like one

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<v Speaker 1>fifth of the things you do or something statistically.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, you have to commit many crimes to be

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<v Speaker 3>arrested and be arrested many times to be convicted on average.

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<v Speaker 3>But so this guy was menacing all these passengers and

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<v Speaker 3>threatening him and screaming, I don't care if I go

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<v Speaker 3>to jailing and a blank you up the rest of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and Penny and others leaped to the defense of the

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<v Speaker 3>women and children and oldsters that this guy was threatening,

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<v Speaker 3>like you're talking about on the plane. And Penny put

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<v Speaker 3>the crazy guy in a so called choke hold, which

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<v Speaker 3>actually doesn't choke you. It makes you pass out because

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<v Speaker 3>pressure on your carotid artery anyway, And he held him

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<v Speaker 3>in that hold until authorities could get there, and the

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<v Speaker 3>guy ended up not being breathing anymore, and he's dead.

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<v Speaker 3>It's it's terrible. You know, you don't get the death

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<v Speaker 3>penalty for being an a hole on subway, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was clearly an accident. But Alvin Bragging Company are trying

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<v Speaker 3>to portray this mister Penny is some sort of racist

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<v Speaker 3>lunatic of course, and of course the victim quote unquote

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<v Speaker 3>the victim's family is trying to complain that this is

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<v Speaker 3>all about race and everything, which is just an idiotic

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<v Speaker 3>thing to say.

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<v Speaker 1>That's horrible. So it'll be interesting to see how this

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<v Speaker 1>turns out.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, yeah, Neily had the synthetic cannaboid K two

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<v Speaker 3>an illegal narcotic in his body can trigger hallucinations, and

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<v Speaker 3>violent behavior can also prompt rapid heart rate, high blood pressure, seizures,

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<v Speaker 3>and death. So anyway, the good news is mister Penny,

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<v Speaker 3>his legal defence fund has raised lots and lots of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Good.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm hoping A. He is acquitted and b he

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<v Speaker 3>has not rendered a destiny because of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So back to my story. I started the podcast with,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm at a bar, Kadie, you are the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who has heard this story already. And I'm sitting at

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<v Speaker 1>a bar. It's hardly anybody there. I think there's like

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<v Speaker 1>four people in the whole bar besides the bartender. And

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<v Speaker 1>I hear a fight a commencing behind me. As a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who spent many a time in the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>bars where fights happened.

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<v Speaker 2>It was, that's not shocking to me at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I worked at a bar where there were

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<v Speaker 1>multiple fights every single night. Oh yeah, but I see

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<v Speaker 1>if I turn around and there's this older guy getting

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<v Speaker 1>his ass beaten by a younger guy, and I jumped

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the younger guy, and I'm rolling around

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<v Speaker 1>and I pull him off, the older guy, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the bartender comes around the corner, and we get the

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<v Speaker 1>younger guy out and he ends up going out the

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<v Speaker 1>door or something like that. I don't remember what happens

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<v Speaker 1>after that anyway, One I got blood all over my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite leather jacket, which ruined it. And Two I found

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<v Speaker 1>out later that the older guy absolutely had an ass

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<v Speaker 1>kicking coming. I don't remember what it was, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was something horrible he had done. Oh, the younger guy

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely in the right. And as my brother said,

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<v Speaker 1>who used to manage a bar where fights happened all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, What the hell are.

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<v Speaker 2>You doing getting in the middle bar?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you never have any idea what's going on

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<v Speaker 1>or how it's going to turn out.

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<v Speaker 4>Or if somebody has a knife or a gun or

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<v Speaker 4>well yeah, okay, but that's usually not the case.

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<v Speaker 1>God does dander over for you, Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I thought I was being a good smart and

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<v Speaker 1>turned out I saved. I kept a young guy, younger

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<v Speaker 1>guy from beating an older guy who had it coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, now to ask or state what everybody's screaming at

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<v Speaker 3>their speakers indoor earbuds, compare and contrast that with the

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<v Speaker 3>airplane thing and what you're saying about, how did nobody

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<v Speaker 3>jump in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's yeah. Airplane's different than a bar. For

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<v Speaker 1>one thing, I mean, fights happened all the time in bars.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen a fight in an airplane.

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<v Speaker 3>But if you're reading a magazine, watching a movie or something,

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<v Speaker 3>then all of a sudden you realize there's a physical

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<v Speaker 3>frekus going on. I could easily see, not knowing who's who,

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<v Speaker 3>or what's going on, or what ied it, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be impossible for me to stop myself from jumping

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<v Speaker 1>in and stopping that guy from raining down blows on

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<v Speaker 1>someone who's just sitting there. Well, described to me the

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<v Speaker 1>situation where it would be justified for this guy to

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<v Speaker 1>be beating him like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm just saying you couldn't see what was

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<v Speaker 3>going on. You wouldn't be sure what was going on.

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<v Speaker 3>You've been on plenty airplanes. You can't see what the

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<v Speaker 3>hell's going on four or five ten rows in front

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<v Speaker 3>of you. I just tan to be a guy swinging,

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<v Speaker 3>but that's all you'd see.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, but what there's somebody closer than that that would

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't have.

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<v Speaker 3>But two stories are not as distinct as you seem

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<v Speaker 3>to think they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I would I would not be able to stop myself.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't even imagine a scenario where you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely be in the right to stop the one guy

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<v Speaker 1>from pumbling the other guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was asleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Katie, would you like to weigh in here, or or

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<v Speaker 3>let's get your brother Jeff on the line. I can wait.

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<v Speaker 1>He will be the judge. No, I'm ever doing that

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<v Speaker 1>in my life. I don't care if I'm sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>years old. I'm not gonna watch some guy beat down

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else and just stand there never doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not watching it. That's the point. You can't see

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<v Speaker 3>what's going on on an airplane. All you see his

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<v Speaker 3>motion in front of you, So you would be leaping

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<v Speaker 3>into a situation where you only had half an idea

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<v Speaker 3>what was going on.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm assuming I'm closer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming I'm not in seat ninety five and this

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<v Speaker 1>is the second row.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, all right, fair enough, all right, it's clear.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm muly been that's a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>I admire that.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So you see commotion going on, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>up out of your seat, walk up and kind of

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<v Speaker 4>like see what's going on, and then decide to jump

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<v Speaker 4>in is that you know, are you gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if you were more than a couple rows back,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if you would have the slightest

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<v Speaker 1>idea what was even happening.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you like, we were right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the roll behind them, like all these people that

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<v Speaker 2>were being.

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<v Speaker 3>Course sitting next to the guy. Oh, one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 3>agree with who.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw what was happening? The guy who's asleep and the

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<v Speaker 1>guy came up and just started being on him for yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>you are.

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<v Speaker 3>Fully cognizant of it. But you know that's a fairly

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<v Speaker 3>limited number of people on the airplane. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>with that cave yet, Yeah, I agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you remember when we used to call Jack Captain Freedom?

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<v Speaker 2>I do.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we think of a fanciful scenario where the guy

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<v Speaker 1>might have the beating coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think of one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like he had just told him he was sleeping with

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<v Speaker 1>his wife, and the guy said, I got to go

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<v Speaker 1>to the bathroom and call him down. And then he

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<v Speaker 1>comes back and says, you know what, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to put up with you sleeping with my wife and

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<v Speaker 1>goes to beaten on him.

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<v Speaker 3>He's always been. You don't have this guy didn't take

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<v Speaker 3>any vows to hear your wife did so quit beaten

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<v Speaker 3>on him.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, that doesn't work either. There's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>there's got to be one I could come up with.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the person who sexually abused you as a child,

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<v Speaker 1>your whole life, and you ended up sitting next to

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<v Speaker 1>him on a plane and you held it in through

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<v Speaker 1>half the flight.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't know. I'm trying to come up again.

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<v Speaker 3>Let the record show I've tried to lighten it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Now we're into child sex molestation, say something lighter. So

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<v Speaker 3>you were gambling on the plane, You're playing cards, and

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<v Speaker 3>he cheated, and while he was napping, you decided, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is bad. Okay, So Captain Freedom, it

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<v Speaker 3>was when you called if you see something, say something

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<v Speaker 3>Las Vegas Airport?

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<v Speaker 4>Was it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is an embarrassing story.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't remember it. That you saw guys,

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<v Speaker 3>Middle Eastern guys loads of truck.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and he might have just been tan. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Why would a Tan guy load a truck if not

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<v Speaker 3>for you know, Islamic supremacist reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>This was actually New Year's Eve in Las Vegas two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and one, So this is months after nine to eleven. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I made the stupid decision of going to Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>where the security was so tight you couldn't do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally went just back to the hotel room with like,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no point in being here.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you couldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>You couldn't even walk through a casino. There were so

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<v Speaker 1>many cops in here, and if you stop for a second,

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<v Speaker 1>keep moving, keep moving. It was just horrible because they

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<v Speaker 1>were so worried about a terrorist attack in Vegas. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I get back to the cheap, crappy hotel. Man, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like I meant some luxury casino. I'm at the

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<v Speaker 1>motel six and I'm drinking beer and looking out my

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<v Speaker 1>window and I see a van back up to a

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<v Speaker 1>lower floor and a bunch of tan guys. But they're

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<v Speaker 1>loading something in or out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the van.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I called my one, Jack.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes he was.

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<v Speaker 3>He was protecting America, Katies, Captain Freedom, protecting America.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh God, God out.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they're staying at the room.

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<v Speaker 1>It's their luggage.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it could be lots of things.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh Jack, Italian guys trying to get their luggage into

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<v Speaker 3>their their van. What's the matter, help me with the suitcase.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's my lowest moment. That was Captain Freedwey's most.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the sound we used to always play.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Oh, I mean, I appreciate where you were coming from,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, trying to save the planet and.

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<v Speaker 3>All, you know, at the risk of running a foul

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<v Speaker 3>of the tangent police tangent on a tangent on a tangent.

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<v Speaker 3>If you ever watched old timey TV shows and movies,

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<v Speaker 3>whenever they had to like portray Indians or Poncho Villa's

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<v Speaker 3>army or whatever, it was usually Italian guys. Yeah, because

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<v Speaker 3>they're kind of sort of olive skinned and they'd layer

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<v Speaker 3>a little makeup on that. But if you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>Italian Americans, you're like, that Indian chief's name is Demucci,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the actor's real name.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not fooling me.

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<v Speaker 3>So it's probably a bunch of a bunch of Italian

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<v Speaker 3>guys loo in Maasagna for their big New Year's party.

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<v Speaker 3>You brought the FBI on in the down on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Happy Halloween, everybody, I guess that's it.