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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat back like a bad Habit feel

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Speaker 1: so wrong, feels so right at the same time. It's

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Speaker 1: Morning Combat. Hello everyone. My name is Luke Thomas. I

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Speaker 1: am one half of your hosting duo on this twenty

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Speaker 1: seventh of September twenty twenty one. I am joined by

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Speaker 1: the Landed Oh he's royalty, if not the landed Gentry.

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Speaker 1: He is my friend in yours. It's Brian Campbell BC.

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Speaker 1: How was your weekend? Good? Sir?

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Speaker 2: Did you just call me gentrified? Luke? Is that how

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Speaker 1: Landed Gentry is a little bit different than royalty? But no,

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Speaker 2: Good weekend in the uh in the beautiful autumn, Luke,

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Speaker 2: that is just about upon us here in New England.

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Speaker 2: If if you don't know, you should know. Okay, what

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Speaker 2: a time to be alive, I mean fall. They say

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Speaker 2: Luke is the best HOLI the best season and there's

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Speaker 2: no better place to celebrate it. Than here in Connecticut

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Speaker 2: when you were the King. Happy to be back, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I've willed, I've walked, I've read, I've talked, I've been

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Speaker 2: here before. But like that song's next line, Luke, hey

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Speaker 2: Is a great time for combat sports. You asked me

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Speaker 2: But my weekend was Usik Joshua and you HAVEC two

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Speaker 2: right here, Luke, come on, bro, come.

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Speaker 1: On right here, right now. There's no other place I'd

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah. Two things I gotta say, BC. One

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to think everyone who was part of

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Speaker 1: Never Yeah, I mean here's the thing, Like, they're really

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Speaker 1: we have a lot of work to do. You want

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Speaker 1: to get this show started.

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Speaker 2: In the amazing words, Luke of is it Julian Lane,

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Speaker 2: Justin Lane, Dwayne Wayne?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Let me bang?

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Speaker 1: Bro Okay, all right, let you bang. All right, let's

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Speaker 1: go topic number one if we can. So we start

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Speaker 1: with UFC two sixty six. Of course I did a

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Speaker 1: so we're gonna get to him right away. We start

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Speaker 1: with that main event. Alexander Volkanowski retains his title by

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Speaker 1: defeating Brian Ortega via unanimous decision a fifty to forty five,

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Speaker 1: a fifty forty four and a forty nine forty six.

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Speaker 1: For my card, I would have had it about forty

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Speaker 1: nine to forty six. I would have given him that fifth.

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Speaker 1: But okay, it was more or less the Alexander Volkanovski show.

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Speaker 1: So BC, let's start the questions like this with this win.

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Speaker 1: Is Alexander Volkanowski going to finally get the respect he deserves?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? He will, he will, Luke, because look what when

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Speaker 2: we when the conversation as a fighter getting the respect

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Speaker 2: they deserve, it doesn't always mean it's fair in typical fashion,

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Speaker 2: it's on look at like you know, guys like Oscar

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Speaker 2: you're a pretty boy, even though you're a tough guy

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Speaker 2: and a great fighter. It takes a while to overcome

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Speaker 2: that reputation. You could argue WE already should have been here.

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Speaker 2: You could argue BC already should have been here. But Luke,

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Speaker 2: what's the best way to remove any lingering doubt? I

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Speaker 2: don't know. Get yourself in a bad shit crazy war

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Speaker 2: against another elite foe and fight like an absolute maniac

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Speaker 2: yet to the point of your intro, retain control, never

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Speaker 2: say die in legitimately stressful moments in which two jokes

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Speaker 2: were applied in round three that probably would have finished anybody.

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Speaker 2: A third submission attempt against a submission expert in round four.

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Speaker 2: Not only fight through that land the better shots show

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Speaker 2: incredible amounts of chin cardio IQ, Luke, not only is

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Speaker 2: this a there's nothing bad we can ever say about

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Speaker 2: this guy again type fight? Okay? Is that extreme?

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Speaker 2: This is that good of a win. He's in that

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Speaker 2: the game. I still throw my vote to Usmann. There's

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Speaker 2: know he's in the top three. But I think Volkanowski

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Speaker 2: just parachuted into that conversation if he wasn't before Luke,

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Speaker 2: because it's one thing too outsmart guys in. Volkanowski's brilliant

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Speaker 2: in the trenches here. He didn't win this fight on calfkicks.

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Speaker 2: He didn't win this fight on footwork patterns. He won

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Speaker 2: this fight by being the better fighter, along with being

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Speaker 2: the better technician, tactician and all of that. I've got nothing,

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Speaker 2: nothing but respect for this guy, and can we pour

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Speaker 2: one out for both of them? Luke for providing what

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Speaker 2: just full on old school savagery. I was humbled, I entertained,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no doubt about it. I mean I understood

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Speaker 1: time I think folks really saw like the Volkanovsky machine.

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Speaker 1: The Volkanovsky machine was grinding in every way. Here. He

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Speaker 2: Killer instinct on top of championship poise to get out

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Speaker 2: checked every box, meaning Volkanowski in this performance. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: He really did. And to your point, like we saw

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons he was able to do that is,

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Speaker 2: Can say it's unfair that Volkanowski has to go to

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Speaker 2: I guess I want to say the less educated casual fan.

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Speaker 2: But he had his biggest win you could argue, being

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Speaker 2: Casual fans hate that shit, Luke. They want violent cage fights.

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Speaker 2: So I think you can understand why the criticism lingered

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Speaker 2: The cardio was insane. You saw the damage that Ortega

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Speaker 2: Volkanowski's never, never not in control in there, and there's

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Speaker 2: So shout out to your boys down there at ckb Luke,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what's in the water. But maybe it's

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Speaker 1: And CKB might be headed to the USA too, which

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Speaker 1: I think at some point, B see, you get a

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Speaker 2: Look on that topic. I'd like to see you put

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Speaker 2: I handle the pound for pound voting across MMA for

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Speaker 2: recalibrating and reforming my top ten after this weekend. Where

432
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Speaker 2: just give me your top three after this performance from Volkanovski.

433
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Speaker 2: Where do you sort of lie I told you I

434
00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:47,239
Speaker 2: had Usman one? Where do you sort of lay out

435
00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,240
Speaker 2: the top three in order of where they should be

436
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Speaker 2: for the men only in the sport of MMA.

437
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Speaker 1: Right now, here's the thing. I will give you an answer.

438
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to back out. The only thing I

439
00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,399
Speaker 1: would say is I don't do voting on these, so like,

440
00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna have a very card, which is why

441
00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 1: I always make these sort of vague, you know, allusions

442
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,159
Speaker 1: to top five, top ten because the placement I'm not

443
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,159
Speaker 1: really all that great at I'd probably have I'd probably

444
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 1: have Uspin one. Jones, I would not. You know, Jones

445
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: overall body of work is beyond impressive. But when I

446
00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 1: think about Pompa pounds like you gotta be kind of

447
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: relevant out there beating people, which he's not done. So

448
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 1: you know, if he goes out there and just beats

449
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,640
Speaker 1: gone or something, well, then forget about it, right, But okay,

450
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: so I'd probably put Usman in there, obviously would have

451
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 1: put Hibib in there, but he's gone to.

452
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Speaker 2: Top three, the top top three for Volkanovski in.

453
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Speaker 1: Your top three probably yeah, yeah, probably top three, maybe.

454
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Speaker 2: Pourer behind that maybe, uh well, and Godu crashed the

455
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 2: party too, Luke.

456
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Speaker 1: You know, it's just a little bit. Yeah, I'm not again,

457
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: these these are debatable calls, but I'm just saying, like,

458
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 1: wherever you want to sign him, he's in this conversation.

459
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he's probably right there. Probably, you know,

460
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 2: Volkanovsky's right there without a Sonia around, you know, between

461
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 2: two and four depending on your opinion, it's probably right there.

462
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: And also we didn't really get into it. But like,

463
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that the fight between Max Holloway and

464
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Speaker 1: ya Ear is bad or even that Max is some

465
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: kind of you know, shoe in to win. Yeah, Hear

466
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: is talented, Mma is tough. Who the hell knows was

467
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 1: gonna happen. I tend to think that Max will win.

468
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: But okay, it's not like it's not like I even

469
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Speaker 1: don't want to see it. It's a great fight, becee,

470
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Speaker 1: But dude, look at what Max did to that division

471
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Speaker 1: where you know Volkanofski beat Aldo, but fucking Max stopped

472
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 1: him twice. Okay, look at what those guys have done

473
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Speaker 1: to that division and tell me any other fight besides

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Speaker 1: Max and Volkanowsky makes sense. I know that Volkanofsky and

475
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Speaker 1: his team kind of have Max fatigue. I understand that,

476
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Speaker 1: But dude, you're dealing with a You're dealing with a

477
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: peer in your division that he may not feel like

478
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Speaker 1: there's unfinished business. I think everybody else around feels like

479
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 1: there's unfinished business, and at a bare minimum, that's still

480
00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 1: clearly his toughest challenge. Yes, I'm not saying I hate

481
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Speaker 1: that fight with Yayar, but I would much Max Vulk three.

482
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Speaker 2: Yeah, in two points, real quick, UFC mine as well.

483
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 2: Mine as well. Put Max Vulk three on the same

484
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: card as Newness Shift Tchanko three because you know you're

485
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: never gonna find someone winning the first two fights and

486
00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: then having a need for a trilogy again, see might

487
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,160
Speaker 2: as well combine them and then number two. I don't

488
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: know if you suck because this is somewhat related to this.

489
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: Did you see coach Mark Henry's Instagram post that alluded

490
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 2: to the idea that maybe he's a beat Malgo met

491
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 2: Scherapov is back and can train and fight again. There

492
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: was no full context to that, so but you know,

493
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: it shows you that that there's no shortage of of

494
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: top level elite talent for Volkanovsky to keep fighting. But dude,

495
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: Max is coming off the greatest performance arguably of his

496
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Speaker 2: career against cater So I don't even think Max should

497
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Speaker 2: have to go through yeah year, I think he already

498
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 2: sealed a third fight with In fact, if I'm UFC,

499
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 2: because you're allowed to play puppet master like this, I

500
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,199
Speaker 2: just blow up that. Yeahear fight. I don't even need

501
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 2: a fake COVID test. Allright, let's go, Let's go Max. Uh,

502
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: let's go Max Volcanovs. Do you realize the Volkanovski beats

503
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Speaker 2: Max a third time and if the third one has

504
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: no contract, Luke, he's suddenly like an all time great

505
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: he is.

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Speaker 1: Seriously, he's that's an interesting point, you know. I mean,

507
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 1: it's wild if he goes in there and beats him cleanly,

508
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 1: like in a way where people are like, you know,

509
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: it was competitive, but yeah, the right guy won with

510
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: Volkanovsky at that point, I don't know what you could

511
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: deny him. You could deny him that maybe you know

512
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: his style isn't the best for you or whatever, but

513
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: you can not deny him his place. Yeah, all right,

514
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the other side of this equation, though, BC,

515
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: because it is worth examining. Brian Ortega did not win,

516
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 1: but he fought his absolute heart out. So let's go

517
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: to topic number two. I've got a lot of thoughts

518
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: on this, but I can't wait to hear yours. Okay,

519
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't like he didn't make it interesting, and it

520
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 1: wasn't like he didn't make it fun again. Round of

521
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: the Year, Round three. Unbelievable what he was able to

522
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: do there, but he lost. And BC, here's a stat

523
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Speaker 1: for you. Brian Ortega is the only fighter I believe,

524
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Speaker 1: in UFC history to have two fights where he absorbed

525
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 1: two hundred significant strikes or more. It was two hundred

526
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: plus with Max and now two hundred plus with Volkanowski.

527
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Speaker 1: So with that in mind, where does he go from here?

528
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Speaker 1: What would you recommend as a next career step for

529
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Speaker 1: Brian or Tager?

530
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Speaker 2: Well, look, I was big on Brian Ortega. I mean,

531
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: it's it's hard to deny the BDE coming off of

532
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: that guy. And I don't want to say I was wrong,

533
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: because look how close he came Luke to doing what

534
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: I predicted. I predicted he wouldn't buy submission after losing

535
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 2: a couple of rounds. He damned near all almost did that.

536
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like, you know, you know how many others

537
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 2: in either of those chokes in round three, how many

538
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: other defending champions would have tapped? And then we have

539
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:37,440
Speaker 2: this wild conversation of like, it's time to run this

540
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 2: fight back, but it didn't happen, So I do have

541
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 2: to adjust, you know, where I actually see or take

542
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 2: it at. So here's the deal. I was blinded by

543
00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 2: the leap he made against Korean Zombie, not that I assumed,

544
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: you know, he could have that same success against Volkanowski. No,

545
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 2: they're far different fighters. Volkanowski's far better in although they're

546
00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: both elite, there's levels. But I I thought that that

547
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: fight was gonna show me that Ortega's ceiling. We still

548
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. He still doesn't know what

549
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: it is. I'm not wrong still for saying that, because

550
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 2: obviously he's got a lot to work on. But I

551
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: will admit I was wrong on getting drunk on the

552
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 2: idea that we saw such dramatic improvements the Frankie Edgar fight.

553
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: You know that the heart showing against Max, the TKZ

554
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: win that I was gambling on that he could rise

555
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: to an even higher level. And if he had, meaning

556
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 2: he had completely rounded out his game planning and IQ

557
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: with that toughness in finishing ability, whether on the feet

558
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 2: or on the ground, that holy shit, he probably is

559
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 2: the best featherweight in the world. But he's not that guy,

560
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: and he didn't get there. I don't know if he can.

561
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: But one thing he can do Luke is swing dramatically,

562
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: and that swing could be a swing of the fist,

563
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: or it could be how many times have we seen

564
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: him pull a submission win out of a fight he

565
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: was losing, or in this case, a fight he was

566
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 2: badly damaged in Gopher Broke. He is able to swing

567
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: big because he's got the guts and with those big swings,

568
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 2: as he just did this against probably a future all

569
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 2: timer in Volkanowski, he came pretty damn close. But even

570
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 2: I Luke can't let that distract me. From the idea

571
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 2: that he's not super elite. He's elite. He can swing

572
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: big and touch the super elites, but he's got a

573
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: lot to work on in his game. I think he's

574
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: still young enough at thirty that there's time. But like

575
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 2: the conversation involving Dan Hooker and oh, by the way,

576
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: to Dan Hooker who now wrestles, make a completely huge

577
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 2: leap on this undercard to show you that there's still

578
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: a lot of future title contention in life left or

579
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: Tega's gonna have to figure some shit out Luke, I think.

580
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: But obviously defensively, he's got to stop being in position

581
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: to take damage. I mean, it's not that I didn't

582
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 2: expect him to lose the first two rounds potentially and

583
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: then have to figure something out and figure out how

584
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: to try to go for the finish. But he takes

585
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 2: far too much damage in the Max fight and in

586
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: this one. Volkanowsky was so smart at realizing he can

587
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 2: get off those lead hard right hands over the top,

588
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: and Ortega just wasn't moving his head enough and we

589
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 2: didn't see the consistency of getting off the center line.

590
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 2: There's a certain willingness of Ortega to take damage that

591
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 2: that's not sustainable one and you can't do it against

592
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: the great the super greats, you know what I mean,

593
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 2: the title contenders, the champions. You can't do that again.

594
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: So I think he's smart enough. I think his team

595
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,880
Speaker 2: is smart enough to go back, go back into the rankings.

596
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 2: If you're gonna get back to the title level, you're

597
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 2: gonna need two to three wins here, but really figure

598
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 2: out how to be more efficient, take less damage, and

599
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: have better setups. Luke, he's dramatic as all hell. It's

600
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 2: like a dude who you know. I mean, he could

601
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: be great in bed, Luke, but can he bounce a

602
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: check book? You know? Can you cook a meal? I

603
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 2: gotta see or takeo go back to the gym and

604
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: build on his structural foundations before I can continue to

605
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 2: get you know, fall for the bde and realize that

606
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: he's a true title contender. But look, you got to

607
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: give him the credit. Very few are able to as

608
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: boldly swing that big and come that close, you know,

609
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: without maybe being the same level of elite fighter as

610
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: the champion, to damn near almost steal the title, and

611
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: the way he almost did.

612
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can't say enough good things about

613
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: his determination. I thought he won that fifth round, which

614
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: was kind of amazing. Hard to say if Ulkanowski was,

615
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: you know, letting us foot off the gas a little

616
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: bit to preserve Ortega. I don't know that it looked

617
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: that way to me, but I certainly don't know that.

618
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: But either way, like the amount of push he had

619
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: in that fifth round was wild, and certainly in round

620
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: three to kind of snatch up those submissions was just

621
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: it's just next level. But dude, you take damage like this,

622
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: You're not gonna be around for very long. It's just

623
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: a reality. And like I appreciate how tough he is

624
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: in the moment. I appreciate the guts he shows. And

625
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: these are title fights, right, so like, if you're gonna push,

626
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: these are the times to do it. You never know

627
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: an mma, And I appreciate that he can do that,

628
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: really do I mean that? But dude, he keeps going

629
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: like this and terrible things are going to happen to him,

630
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: not least of which is his career will be cut

631
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: very short. I mean, in three fights, two of them

632
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: have been bruising, and he lost two years after the

633
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: first one. That's bad. Like, how long is he going

634
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: to be out for this one before he's back. And

635
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: I don't mean because like the injuries he can't recover from,

636
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: just because I mean to give himself enough of a

637
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: refreshing pause between these insaintly's car crashes that he's in

638
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: so that he can get back out there. He has

639
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: got to stop this. I thought people were asking me

640
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: on the postfight show BC, like, oh, what's next four

641
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: to take? Is you to go to one fifty five

642
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: and blah blah. I'm like, no, no, no, no, pause,

643
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: time out. This guy's offense is obviously quite good. Is

644
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 1: it the best of the division. I don't know about that,

645
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's formidable at a bare minimum. The

646
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: issue here is this guy's gonna work on his defense.

647
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: Now, no fundamental everything.

648
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. At the elite level, BC, you

649
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: know as well as I do, they're not separate things.

650
00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Offense bleeds into defense, defense bleeds into all. I get

651
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: that you can't just separate them out, not like jiu

652
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: jitsu and striking in that sense. But what I am

653
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: saying is a greater focus on it. Like, dude, go

654
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: back in the contendership queue, far back if you have to, Dude,

655
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: take a fight that you can easily win, and slowly

656
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: put the pieces of your game together. Because here's the reality,

657
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: BC Volkanovski and Max. As long as they're there, and

658
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: they are gonna be there for a while, it looks

659
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: like Brian don't take a cant the current version of

660
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: him at his absolute most, he cannot beat those guys.

661
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: He cannot do it. But if you want a chance

662
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: at beating them, you got to shore up all the

663
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: other parts of the game where those guys are having

664
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: a big advantage. Otherwise, what is the entire point. I

665
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: don't think a weight class change is this problem because

666
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: you're gonna take those same defensive liabilities to guys who

667
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: are a little bit slower but hit a lot fucking harder.

668
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: No chance is that a good idea. The trick here

669
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: is go back to the to the laboratory, take your time. Remember, dude,

670
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: he had the fight against Max, which he kind of

671
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: got rushed into there a little bit, to be honest

672
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: with you, And he had fights against Geka Guida where

673
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: Guieda was winning. Then he had the fights against the

674
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: Brazilian kid who that to Moykano. Dude, Moikano was winning

675
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: that fight up until he wasn't right. He was putting

676
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: the beat down on him too. I was there in

677
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: the Honda Center when Brian Rotaka came backstage. I remember

678
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: the kind of pain he was sitting in. He was

679
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: He verbally told us like, ugh, I feel terrible after that,

680
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: Like he got wrecked. Dude, He's getting wrecked a lot.

681
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: This has got to stop. He cannot keep doing this.

682
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: Take your time, go back to the back of the line,

683
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: and let's see him work his way forward.

684
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: Luke guy ran cross country in high school. I've done

685
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 2: a lot of road races. He's very similar to that

686
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: rare runner who doesn't put in the time to log

687
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: the miles, but has that Prefontaine killer instinct in a

688
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 2: race that he's willing to empty everything he has to

689
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: try to beat you. And it's like, bro, if you

690
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: just you go run an extra you know, twenty five

691
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 2: miles a week, you could be a superstar. So we

692
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: need him to make that change. By the way, Luke,

693
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 2: you're I think you're on the wrong rundown. This is

694
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: this is still topic one. Okay, this was originally topic two.

695
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: Then we changed because that other UFC champion got arrested.

696
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: And stuff. But Luke, oh, yeah, you're right, I've lost

697
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: that my bad real quick.

698
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: On the scoring.

699
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 1: I also.

700
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 2: Gave five round five to Ortego, who just you know,

701
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: put it on. Actually I thought he kind of he

702
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: might have hurt Alex in the final ten seconds there.

703
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 2: I gave him round three too, and I am curious

704
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 2: in how you think round three should be scored. It's

705
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 2: one of the craziest rounds of all time. Even though

706
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: Volkanowski finished the round on top with strikes and hurt him.

707
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 2: I felt that the two dramatic submissions and the takedown

708
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: was enough to edge a ten nine round to Ortego.

709
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 2: Am I crazy? People hate my scoring, although I think

710
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: they're a little bit off on that, Luke, am I crazy?

711
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: That's a good question. I here's the thing. Who got Okay,

712
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: here's the problem, dude. It wasn't just that Volkanovsky reversed position,

713
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: you know, like kind of withstood it or whatever. He

714
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: withstood it, stood up and then put a fucking beating

715
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: on Ortega to the point where I was like, I

716
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: wasn't I don't think a stoppage was like right around

717
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: the corner, but it wasn't too far either, So The

718
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: question you have to ask yourself is who took the

719
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 1: fight closer to the finish? I would argue in that

720
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: sense or Tago with some of the submissions, especially the

721
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: guillotine one, where you saw a Volkanovsky thrashing to create

722
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: space because he was in real trouble at the same time. Dude,

723
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 1: it wasn't like Volkanovsky just did enough to survive and

724
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: didn't put it back on him. Dude, he put it

725
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: on him after.

726
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: I mean, is that a ten ten round? We hate

727
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: even rounds in both combat sports because it sucks? Is

728
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 2: that a ten ten round? Because I thought I thought

729
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: round four was a ten to eight round for Volkanovsky

730
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 2: without question. So is is round three ten ten? Is

731
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 2: that the fairest way to do it?

732
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: Then maybe I would want to talk to Big John

733
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: or someone like that who's got a better sense about

734
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: what to do in situations where there's like massive momentum swings.

735
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,800
Speaker 1: I did see people giving what round was it for Marius?

736
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: I saw them giving round one to Devolishvili for their

737
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: I completely disagree with that. I thought Maris had him

738
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: really close to a finish, and so for that reason,

739
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: even though Morob turned the tables. There wasn't enough on

740
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: the back end to match what happened on the front end.

741
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: Obviously he turned the tables completely in the following round,

742
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: but I just mean in that round, this one's a

743
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 1: little tighter. This one's a little bit more like there

744
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: wasn't quite enough of a gap in either direction. So

745
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: it's a tough one to score.

746
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 2: I'll say the final point on these two. And I'm

747
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 2: not afraid to go late in the show talking about

748
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: good shit. Okay, it's not like we're talking about boxing

749
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: here people getting people angry at me. You had wrote

750
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: down in the rundown rightfully, so you know it is

751
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: round three of the round of the year. I want

752
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 2: to take it further, Luke, how high in the pantheon

753
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: of all time considering it's a championship fight, main event

754
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,240
Speaker 2: of a pay per view and it was that crazy

755
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: And by the way, we saw what you just mentioned

756
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 2: the Dwalla Shilly come back against Marice, which was a

757
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: crazy round to begin with. Is that in the same

758
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 2: conversation with Daily Nick Diaz round one, our Lobsky versus

759
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: Travis Brown round one, round one of the Edgar Mayn rematch,

760
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, is this a historically relevant championship round that

761
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 2: we just saw.

762
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: In terms of the highs, it's better than all of them. However,

763
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,879
Speaker 1: one of the issues that this round may suffer from

764
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: is that I don't think that Volkanovski went down again.

765
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: The people might dead wrong me for this, but it

766
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: was closer to the midway mark. So there was a

767
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: couple of minutes of this fight where it was fine,

768
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: but it was mostly you know, one way ish kind

769
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: of traffic from Volkanovski was after he got dropped, where

770
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: the round turned into and I mean it went from

771
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: zero to sixty right, it went to immediate boil and

772
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 1: then stayed there. So you have to weigh like an

773
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: around where things got started earlier and maybe didn't have

774
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: quite the punctuated moments, but it was still great from

775
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: the word go versus one that got cooking later and

776
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: then just stayed at high heat. It depends on your

777
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: perspective there.

778
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,760
Speaker 2: Okay, and you know what, round doesn't make that conversation,

779
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: But drama wise, Lesner Carwin, round one just an edge

780
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: of your seat drama. That shit. I was like sweaty

781
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: after that.

782
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: Come on, lou, that wasn't that what I needed to

783
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: sigarette after that fight, ye, I mean cigarette after wild yes.

784
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 2: Yes.

785
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: And also also I would say, yeah, that's a good one.

786
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Also I would say round five of Gastolum and Adasanya, Yes,

787
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: that was a huge push. You know, I'm and the

788
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: guy looking across the cage saying I'm ready to die,

789
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: like round four of.

790
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: That fight two where Gasolum almost had that submission a

791
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: round four. And how about that round in Woodley Thompson

792
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: one that no one talks about round four in that

793
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: fight at two five great rounds.

794
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: Great round exactly. So there's a lot of different ways

795
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: to cut it, all right, So now we go to

796
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: point number two. I apologize to the production crew for

797
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: my idiocy on this one. Point number two, let's talk

798
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: about another fight. We'll get to Valentina. They're not a

799
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: whole lot to say about that. There's a whole lot

800
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: to say, however, about Nick Diaz, so we'll talk about

801
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: him all RBC. He loses, He basically h you know,

802
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't say this to besmirch him, but

803
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: he quit, which I think was the fine decision. If

804
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 1: you don't want to take punishment, and you know, I'll

805
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: tell you what I think about in just a second.

806
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: But let's start with you, did Nick Diaz's return in

807
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: the way that you saw it make you think we

808
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: should see more of him or we should see less

809
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: of him.

810
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm done. I'm done completely, and I'm not here to

811
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: jab at him. I give him all the credit in

812
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: the world for coming back after six years and being

813
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: that willing, especially in the first round, but it continued

814
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: on to just brawl at a high pace. I mean,

815
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: that was a sick, insane pace and it got the

816
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: crowd going. What. I just don't understand, Luke, beyond having

817
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: respect for that, when you package in the no Moss moment,

818
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 2: which again I'm not gonna hold against him considering the circumstances,

819
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 2: but I don't see how that no Moss moment doesn't

820
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 2: play into everything we saw. And I don't see how

821
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 2: the world is not on the same side of the street.

822
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: I am right now and saying, hey, we did it.

823
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: It was fun, but that's not a UFC level fight

824
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 2: that I just watched in. Nick Diaz is not a

825
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: UFC level fighter anymore. And when you package in all

826
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 2: the comments about not wanting to be there and Jake

827
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: shields his tweets his teammate kind of somehow confirming those

828
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: weird comments Nick had that maybe his management team tre

829
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 2: him and pushed him into it, only getting him a

830
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: six week camp. There seems to be a lot of

831
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: behind the scenes I guess bullshit. You know, at the

832
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: end of the day, I mean, Nick's the fighter. He

833
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 2: probably should have been more in control of this. But

834
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: my whole point is this, I'm not gonna disparage him quitting,

835
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna disparage the dad bod, But Luke,

836
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:22,800
Speaker 2: maybe I'm just a little bit done with Triller, holy Field,

837
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 2: Paul Brothers over this summer where you know, some of

838
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: that was fun, but that's not elite level real fighting.

839
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 2: Even under the guys of two old guys getting back

840
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: in there and throwing hands, this was not on the level.

841
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 2: To me, Luke, I was kind of cringing the whole fight.

842
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 2: You know, I love old guy fights. You know, I

843
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: love gas station bullshit, even when they're trade in, Luke,

844
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: they were grossly slow and just I mean, no one's

845
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: talking about this fact. He may have been in good shape,

846
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: you know, abs wise, Robbie's washed. Robbie's badly washed. I

847
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,439
Speaker 2: felt like, I was the only guy saying that about

848
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: Carlos Content two fights ago. So when everyone's like, no, no, man,

849
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 2: he puts a couple fights together, maybe he's a dark

850
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 2: horse title changer, I'm like, what the hell are you

851
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: talking about? I love me Nick. I don't know how

852
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 2: people responded to my tweets having concern about him with saying, man,

853
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,399
Speaker 2: you're a nick hater, nick hater, go rewatch resume review. Okay,

854
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 2: do we put the curse on him? Well, not us,

855
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: you know, the gods of all MMA thunder handle that one.

856
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: But you know, did we present the magwais to you

857
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: and say here's what not to do. Don't feed him

858
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: after midnight, don't don't put water on him. Yes, but

859
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: here's the deal, Luke, this was like a cmpunk fight.

860
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: To me.

861
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: I didn't get the nostalgic feels. It was sloppy, gross,

862
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 2: and I kind of just wanted it to end. I

863
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: know that's off brand for me, but I don't want

864
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 2: to see him taking punishment when he's not even remotely

865
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: close to a UFC fighter in my eyes right now,

866
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: I don't get how people want to see Luke. Why

867
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 2: don't you stand up to this because I heard a

868
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: rumor from one of our colleagues who listened to your

869
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: postpod that you had some enlightenment on wanting to see

870
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: Nick Yes versus Jorge Masral If you said those words

871
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: and put that out and they eat those fair, Luke, Yeah,

872
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: you can fuck off, bro.

873
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: I got all right, I got a lot of I

874
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: got a lot of pushback for it. I will tell

875
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: you in real time, I wasn't thinking much about it.

876
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: And then when folks were like, you sure about that idea, Luke,

877
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, let me think about that

878
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 1: a second. Yeah, that's a terrible fucking idea. I fully

879
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: retract it, and certainly at this stage anyway, here's what

880
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,760
Speaker 1: I would say about this BC. I didn't quite share.

881
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm not quite as down on Nick as I think

882
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: you and some other ones are, which isn'tna say I

883
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: think you're wrong. I just tend to think of it

884
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 1: in these terms. Sorry, someone calls my effing phone again

885
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: and it goes to my goddamn ear. I'll put it

886
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: to you like this. He looked rusty. I mean rusty

887
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: in every sense of the word. He looked like getting

888
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: into fight shape was a thing. He was rusty at

889
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: he looked like doing media. He was rusty at doing

890
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: the whole fight, week, dance, all the things you have

891
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: to do. He looked rusty at He looked rusty with

892
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 1: his punches. He looked like he just hadn't done a

893
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: lot of this in a really long time, and he

894
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: forgot what it was like to do it. There were

895
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: moments where I thought he was kind of cooking with

896
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: the hand combinations. End of the first maybe early parts

897
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: of the second, we were like, okay, all right, I

898
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: mean he did have a high amount of output, right,

899
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: that's sort of from a volume standpoint, objectively true relative

900
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: to his peers. I get it with an opponent who

901
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: was also long in the tooth. Fine, So what I

902
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: would say is, if he wants to have another one under,

903
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 1: by the way, one hundred and seventy pounds, not this

904
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: one eighty five bullshit, right, no chance they should allow

905
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: that again and against somebody that makes sense. The reason

906
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: why I was thinking about mas Wadol at the time

907
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: was I was like, well, if he gets down to

908
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: one to seventy looks a little bit of the second time,

909
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: there are reasons to think it could be better than

910
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: folks thought, but okay, I I fine, it's a bad idea,

911
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: and I was just you know, it was due to

912
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: two in the morning.

913
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: I cause you and ask you this. Do you see

914
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: the difference between like even a Clay Gweedo or a

915
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 2: Diego Sanchez hanging on of late that they're at least

916
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 2: not that far off from being in unranked legit ment

917
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: UFC fighter on the bottom, whereas this was, like, dude,

918
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: this was like when Bellator, you know, seven years ago,

919
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: used to put on those old guy fights.

920
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here's what I would say. I don't know

921
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 1: how to answer that. I think Diego was pretty far

922
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: past his last few fights. But what I would say

923
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: is this, dude, UFC has a hard choice to make,

924
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: which is to say the following. There was a time

925
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,839
Speaker 1: when Diaz was just not competing, but he was still

926
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: young enough and sort of hip enough and with it

927
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,879
Speaker 1: enough where they could have if they if they could

928
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: have found a way to pull him off the bleachers

929
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: and get him into the you know, the the Venom

930
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: fight Kid or the Rebok fight kit where it could

931
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: have made some sense. But now Nick is at a

932
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 1: stage where the UFC is not going to be able

933
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 1: to make effective use of him. The UFC should have

934
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: a long look in the mirror. And by the way,

935
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz too about all the time that was lost

936
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: and if there was a no if there was no

937
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: way to make it happen on either side, then fine,

938
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 1: there was no way to make it happen. But here's

939
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: just the reality. Both sides, whoever you want to blame,

940
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: spent enough time apart from each other. Where now Nick

941
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 1: Diaz is at a stage in his career where the

942
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: UFC is not going to be able to make very

943
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: effective use out of him. We talked about Anderson Silva

944
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,879
Speaker 1: at the end of his reign and all these other

945
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 1: guys who are the end of their runs where they're

946
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 1: clearly not going to be able to beat, and only

947
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 1: the top guys. Dude, I don't know exactly who Nick's

948
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: going to be able to beat at all at this stage.

949
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 1: And he's thirty eight years old. He is not getting

950
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: any younger. He looked, as I said, quite rusty with it.

951
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: This is not a place where UFC typically knows what

952
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: to do with talent. What they know what to do

953
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: is if you are very very good, or something approximating that,

954
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: they have all the space in the world for you.

955
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: But what if you are past that. They don't know

956
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: what to do, they don't know how, they don't have

957
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: Their structure is not built for I'm not even impugning them.

958
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Their structure is just not built for this side of

959
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 1: the game. Other promoters know what to do with this

960
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: side of the game because that's sort of more what

961
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: they specialize in. This is not the UFC's product. And

962
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,719
Speaker 1: so if he can turn things around with a dedicated camp,

963
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: a one to seventy weight cut an opponent that makes sense,

964
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: and he can show more signs of life, that's fine.

965
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: But if we're not there, I don't know what we're doing.

966
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: Last point, BC, here's the other part, dude, DS is

967
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: Nick Diaz's boxing game is quite clearly better to me

968
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: than Nate Diaz's boxing game, even with all of that

969
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: rust happening. I just thought he just puts combinations to

970
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: better together, much better. I think he stands in the

971
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: pocket longer and dode. That body work he was throwing

972
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: it look nice, like, there's just no doubting it. It

973
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: looked good. But his overall game, the flat footedness of

974
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: it all. BC, there's no dynamism in the movement or anything. Dude,

975
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: that's an outdated style of fighting that worked ten years

976
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 1: ago on BJ Penn. That would not work with today's

977
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: fighters in any kind of any kind of difficult sense

978
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 1: at all. I gotta change.

979
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: And you add in there that he doesn't want to

980
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 2: be there. He's telling you he doesn't want to be there.

981
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: It's like there's more than enough warning signs that he's

982
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: going to get hurt. And the first time he did

983
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: get hurt, he asked out of the fight. And again,

984
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: you know, I was happy in that moment that it happened,

985
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: But look, I just you know, who in the right

986
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: mind approved this is a five round fight under what

987
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 2: remote circumstances? Does that make sense as a five round fight?

988
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: A five round fight is a title fight, a big

989
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: name main event. I don't even I'm gonna be fair

990
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: with you. I don't even like on these in between

991
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: fight night cards when we have five round main events

992
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: between guys who I'm not even sure can go five

993
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 2: rounds and aren't in a title elimination picture, and we're

994
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: just like, well that's what we do. We do five

995
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: round main events. Okay, well this wasn't the main event.

996
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,919
Speaker 2: It wasn't a title fight, And anybody that can't see

997
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:30,840
Speaker 2: through my words and realize this is coming out of

998
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: a place of love for Nick, not a place of hatred.

999
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 2: Like at the end of the day, Luke, they have

1000
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: places like Triller for fights like this, but the UFC

1001
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 2: is not a Sunday rec league. So I can't see

1002
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 2: this anymore. I don't think Nick should be fighting anymore.

1003
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: You know, you want to go do you want to

1004
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 2: go do jiu jitsu tournaments? You want to get a

1005
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,919
Speaker 2: Triller boxing match against Oscar de la Hoolye, Like, okay,

1006
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: do what you want. But you know, I don't think

1007
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 2: Robbie should walk away, Luke. That's there's a hot take

1008
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 2: for you. Yeah, okay, I mean he was just taking punishment.

1009
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 2: It's just I mean, they were they were taps. He

1010
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: had a little little red blotch on his on his

1011
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: head there. But uh, he don't look good either, Luke.

1012
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: Well he he at least was in Diaz's face, put

1013
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 1: in constant pressure. He was rolling with a lot of

1014
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: the shots. A lot of them landed, a lot of

1015
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: them didn't, a lot of them kind of bounced off,

1016
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: and he was able to kind of make it work,

1017
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: but you know everyone wants to wait until the guy

1018
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: is absolutely decrepit. Not speaking of this fight specifically, just

1019
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: you know what fans want to see. They're like, oh,

1020
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: well he can still fight a little bit, Dude, You're

1021
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 1: not supposed to wait until the last fucking stage before

1022
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: the commission has to be like, dude, fucking stop before

1023
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: you stop. You're supposed to do it a little bit

1024
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: before that. Here's the reality, man, here's the reality. We

1025
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: talked about it years ago, I think when this podcast

1026
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: first started BC, even on the MMA beat prior to

1027
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: this one, we said that Scott Koker had always had

1028
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: a good relationship with with Nick Diaz. Remember he featured

1029
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: Nick Daz and Strikeforce in the way we went through

1030
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: in the resume review and everything, like they knew how

1031
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: to make use of this guy. Again, I don't want

1032
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: to blame just UFC for this. I really don't. Nick

1033
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: Is I'm sure hard to do business with or whatever

1034
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,919
Speaker 1: the case may be. But in that last six years, dude,

1035
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: they wasted all the parties involved. They wasted the precious

1036
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 1: time that Nick had to be in big fights for

1037
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: big money against big names. Dude, I'm afraid to tell folks,

1038
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: I am pretty sure this is as far as the

1039
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: UFC is concerned, that shit is over and we are

1040
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 1: not going to get it back whatsoever.

1041
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: You know what else they wasted, And again it's probably

1042
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: half DA's fault, halfy Dana's fault. They wished Nate did

1043
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: as his prime Who the hell goes to two pay

1044
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: per view fights against Connor McGregor, becomes a household name

1045
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 2: and then sits out three full years. I know Nate

1046
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: still has more luckt in the tank, and he's had

1047
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 2: some fun fights since coming back in some elite performances too,

1048
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,799
Speaker 2: But imagine what Nate could have been immediately after those

1049
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: counter fights. It's wild, Luke.

1050
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: It certainly is. So it's unfortunate that it's come to this,

1051
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: but it's we are where we are. We are where

1052
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: we are nearly forty years old and quite rusty, so

1053
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: we'll see, right, all right, Luke, The truth.

1054
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,399
Speaker 2: Is the truth. Resume review is what is it? Seven?

1055
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 2: And oh or eight?

1056
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: And oh?

1057
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:05,919
Speaker 2: I lost track?

1058
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: Is it? What's I think it's seven? I think it's seven.

1059
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: And you know what's funny is I actually totally forgot

1060
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: about I swear to god, I wasn't even think about

1061
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: it in the moment. I was just watching Nick and

1062
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: then of course you lose this, and I wasn't thinking

1063
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: I swear to God on my on my on my

1064
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: on my uh you know, my deceased mother. I wasn't

1065
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: thinking about the curse. It didn't even occur to me

1066
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 1: the whole thing. And then my mentions just.

1067
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 2: Blew up out of out of nowhere, all these.

1068
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: People being like, fuck you, the curse does it again?

1069
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: Each shit. Hey, listen, guys, I I wish you don't

1070
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 1: think there's fighters out there that have done me wrong

1071
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: privately that I would love to stick it to with

1072
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: a resume review. I would fucking love to do it.

1073
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: But I just don't think our little podcast has that

1074
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 1: kind of ability. I will say, though, BC, whether you

1075
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: believe in a curse or whatever you want to believe,

1076
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: I will say this, and I said it on a

1077
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: Saturday night. It is fucking hilarious that we constantly picked

1078
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: the loser heading into this in a way. I'm not

1079
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: sure what it says, but it's funny. Just the same. Luke,

1080
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: I've had been mathematically been mathematically be see, if we'd

1081
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: flipped a coin, we would have gotten some right at

1082
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 1: this point. Right, like a monkey just sort of picking

1083
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 1: at random would have gotten a few of these. We

1084
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 1: have none.

1085
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 2: To look, we did one on a betting favorite, Adasania

1086
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,439
Speaker 2: against Blahovit, so it's not like we're picking the washed

1087
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 2: more washed of the two. But Luke, I asked you

1088
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: just before, but I want an updated answer. What number

1089
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: if we're seven and oh, what number do we have

1090
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 2: to get to? Where you'll go it's real?

1091
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: One hundred?

1092
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: No? Oh, come on, that's not even fun, Luke, that's

1093
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 2: not even like a fun game. That's just like old

1094
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: curmudgeon dude.

1095
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, here's the thing. If people want to do

1096
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: this because it makes them laugh, then fine, Like you know,

1097
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,360
Speaker 1: you can tweet me and say nasty things about me

1098
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: and tell me I ruined your fans, you know, return

1099
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: or whatever you can. You can blow us up for

1100
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: it because it is funny. I admit it's legitimately hilarious

1101
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: that this happens, or the way that it does. I

1102
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: certainly understand that. But then it's like, you know, you

1103
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: want me to like indulge superstitions.

1104
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 2: I can't do that, okay, but what I mean fifteen

1105
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: and oh, if we got to fifteen, you'd still be saying, oh, bro.

1106
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: Well, like, yes, I don't believe in superstitions. Yes, I'm

1107
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,399
Speaker 1: never going to believe in superstitions. It just doesn't happen

1108
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: that way.

1109
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: All right, Look, let me get two hands on there

1110
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:17,320
Speaker 2: for you.

1111
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: Okay, listen, there is no God. When you die, you

1112
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 1: just rotten the ground. Okay, I hate to give you

1113
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 1: the bear of the bad news. All right, let's go

1114
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: to point number three here if we can. B C

1115
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: not a lot to say about this, but it is

1116
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: worth bringing up Valentina Schevchenko. That's exactly what we thought

1117
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,840
Speaker 1: she was going to do. Lauren Murphy, God bless her.

1118
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: You know, she came in prepared, She's never missed weight.

1119
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: She earned that opportunity. I'm not gonna bash her, but

1120
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,239
Speaker 1: it was not close. There were rounds where literally, in

1121
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: terms of significant strikes you see, know, if you saw

1122
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: the numbers, there was two rounds where one round she

1123
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 1: scored one significant strike, in another just two. I think

1124
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: she scored eleven significant strikes over the course of almost

1125
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: four rounds. I mean, she was never really in this fight. Okay,

1126
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: So that's not my question. My question to you is, dude,

1127
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: is it time to finally book Schevchenko Nunez three.

1128
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's been time. First of all, it's

1129
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: absolutely time right now because we're in the same spot

1130
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: we kind of were about two or three fights ago,

1131
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,799
Speaker 2: where neither one has somebody knocking on their door again.

1132
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: I thought Jessica and Drives was maybe gonna be that

1133
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: for Chefchenko, and Chefchenko beat her as easy as she's

1134
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,759
Speaker 2: beat anyone since Jessica. I So when you have these

1135
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 2: two that are still in their physical prime, and even

1136
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: though Valentina is older, Luke, I think Amanda is aging

1137
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 2: a little bit faster. So you don't want to wait

1138
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: till it's a little bit past its prime. You don't

1139
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,759
Speaker 2: want to wait till it's you know, Mayweather Pakia where

1140
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 2: you're like, okay, they were still number one and two

1141
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: pound for pomp, but they were thirty eight and thirty six.

1142
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 2: It's not the accurate representation of who would have won

1143
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:51,879
Speaker 2: at their best. And I know this is a different

1144
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,919
Speaker 2: situation because we've seen them fight twice before, but look

1145
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: for anybody that doesn't know along with that second fight

1146
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: being so close that whoever you think won, you're probably right.

1147
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: Let's not forget. Valentina lost that first one, a three

1148
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: round fight at UFC one ninety six. She lost at

1149
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 2: fair and square two rounds to one. But Luke, she

1150
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: was a late starter and she figured out something in

1151
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: round three that carried over into the second fight. So

1152
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that's not a loss. It's a loss,

1153
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: but it's not like Newness has ever had her way

1154
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 2: with her at all. So yeah, let's do it now

1155
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: while there's nothing else you can do. Valentino's the best

1156
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: soldier they have. She comes in insanely ready, fixes all

1157
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: the holes in her game, always in shape, ambassador for

1158
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 2: the sport, never gets hurt, is willing to fight every

1159
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: three months, shows up, dominates, and dances in the cage afterwards.

1160
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,839
Speaker 2: So let's reward her with the one fight that would

1161
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 2: give her the best chance to put the capstone historically

1162
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 2: on what she's building, which right now is in all

1163
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 2: time great resume and complete fighter, which she's at a

1164
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,839
Speaker 2: prime right now. So do not pass go Dana, make

1165
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 2: this fight next. It is what it is. It's time, okay.

1166
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 2: And if you're Amanda, it's like, you know, who else

1167
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 2: do you have? Who else do you have? That's gonna

1168
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: pump ticket sales. I don't think I need to see

1169
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: Jermae Drandom a third time. I don't think I need

1170
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 2: to see Holly Holm a second time. Right, I don't

1171
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: think Misha Tate, for all she's doing right on, her

1172
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 2: comeback is gonna be a legitimate threat for your title.

1173
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,359
Speaker 2: Make it now, and let's stop this conversation. But look,

1174
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to pass too far where you said.

1175
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: You know, I can't really blame Lauren Murphy. I want

1176
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 2: to ask you though, if we actually can. And I

1177
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: don't want to make this about Lauren Murphy, but I

1178
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 2: might want to make this about Caitlin Shukegian or anyone

1179
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 2: else who gets to this point. Like at least Jennifer

1180
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: Maya showed out to a degree, she leaned on her

1181
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: one strength, went around, made it somewhat somewhat competitive, but

1182
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: like I'll throw Carmus in there. Look, they have to

1183
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: realize they are extreme out gunned. So you can't come

1184
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 2: out and just say I'm gonna fight my fight. Your

1185
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 2: fight is not gonna work unless you land one punch

1186
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 2: and open a cut across her forehead, and you you

1187
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, unless like like lightning strikes, shouldn't.

1188
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 2: Lauren Murphy and hindsight Luke have had an almost ortega

1189
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 2: like want to say, the only way I'm gonna win

1190
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 2: this is by finishing her, So I'm gonna go out

1191
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 2: in my shield trying to finish her rather than completely

1192
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: lowering my output and just standing on the outside throwing

1193
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 2: one strike for every five Valentina throws. I'm not saying

1194
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: it's easy. She's an all time great, Luke, but I

1195
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: can't watch another one of these where you're just sort

1196
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: of like these opponents aren't trying hard enough to show

1197
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 2: you Valentina's greatness.

1198
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a case where if you're overmatched,

1199
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,400
Speaker 1: to press the gas pedal and take more risk. I

1200
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 1: think that's sort of what you're saying. But Dude, when

1201
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 1: you're this overmatched, when you're overmatched, where you're landing one

1202
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: significant strike in five minutes, I would actually argue the

1203
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: onus is on Valentina. You're talking about opponents who can't

1204
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: do shit to you. It's up to you actually to

1205
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: press it on that point, to be quite honest with you,

1206
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:17,600
Speaker 1: because dude, if you're Lauren Murphy, you know it's very

1207
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: easy for us and I know that's not what you're saying,

1208
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: but it's very easy for us as fans to look

1209
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 1: at a situation like this and say something like, you know,

1210
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 1: you should really try harder. Dude, what the fuck is

1211
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: she gonna do? You know, you try and go in

1212
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: there and mess around, you're gonna get viciously KOed stopped

1213
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 1: even earlier. You're gonna have a cat Zangano, Ronda RAUSI

1214
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: moment like it's gonna go bad. I can understand why

1215
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: they think if I can slow it down, I won't

1216
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,839
Speaker 1: take too much of a beating, and I can kind

1217
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: of maybe find a window later and see what happens.

1218
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: And that's probably, you know, not really true either, but

1219
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 1: I can at least understand that. Dude. I'm not blaming

1220
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: Valentina either, exactly because she doesn't want to give up

1221
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: her belt. But if, dude, if your opponent is that

1222
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: much behind you, nah, I don't blame the opponent, all right.

1223
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 2: I blame Valentina. For example, in the Carmouche fight, she

1224
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 2: got to a certain point where Coromosch didn't want to

1225
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 2: play ball on Valentine's like, what am I gonna do?

1226
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 2: I'll go to the finish line with you. You know,

1227
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 2: maybe that, but I'm not arguing it from an entertainment

1228
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: standpoint as much as I'm arguing that this is the

1229
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,840
Speaker 2: biggest moment of your career. You've worked so hard to

1230
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 2: get to this point. Again, it's easier for Keyboard Warrior

1231
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: BC in his own damn basement to say, and I'm

1232
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: not taking these punches, okay, but to say, if your

1233
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: only chance at winning that belt is doing something dramatic,

1234
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: you're gonna come come on right, Luke, so that you

1235
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 2: don't what do you say? Okay, I went five rounds

1236
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 2: with with the with one of the greatest fighters ever. Great,

1237
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 2: that's great? Is that? Is that what we're playing for, Luke?

1238
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: We're playing to win. You play to win the game?

1239
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, okay, But so Lauren Murphy comes back to

1240
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: you after the third round, and again we're not technicians,

1241
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: but there you have to have some kind of a

1242
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: path uh to to to recommend for her. What is

1243
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: it you charge her maybe try to take her down

1244
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: and try and take her down?

1245
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 2: Is that it charge her cheat reckless attempts at takedowns.

1246
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,919
Speaker 2: You've gotta do something. Look, seriously, talk trash you've gotta

1247
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: do something to get her off her game. You know,

1248
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: it's again if anyone makes the conye argument, Okay, BC,

1249
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,680
Speaker 2: I'd like you to do it. Like enough with that shit. Okay,

1250
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 2: we're we're pundits here talking about what we just saw

1251
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:18,760
Speaker 2: and watched. I'm just saying for her to go home happy.

1252
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: She got stopped anyway by by being safe, you might

1253
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 2: as well go for it. Luke, Okay, that's all I'm

1254
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 2: gonna say.

1255
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 1: That's all I'll I'll just end on this. I think

1256
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: that's a fair point, especially for you know, for example,

1257
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: Ortega was badly out of it and then but he

1258
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 1: had that ace in the hole and found a way

1259
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: to get the fight all of a sudden kind of

1260
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: close right, pushing past whatever perceived limits are there. But

1261
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: in the end, if the limits are here, I think

1262
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 1: it's fine to be like, hey man, you had a

1263
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: chance there, you got to do more than that. But

1264
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: when the limits are here and their coaches don't even

1265
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 1: know what to say, you gotta look at you gotta

1266
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: do you gollak to Valentine and be like, you know,

1267
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: you got it. She got it done that fourth round,

1268
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: she threw that right hand over the tipe. That was great.

1269
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 2: I mean, and if you do, if you do it, Luke,

1270
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: you get Jessica Yede, right.

1271
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: You do right, you do your fuck You're you're you're

1272
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: fucked either way. The one thing I say is about

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00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: the original question with Amanda Unas. Here's one thing I

1274
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 1: want to ask UBC. We both know, I don't know

1275
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,960
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen, but we both know Amanda Nunas right

1276
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 1: now does not have an incentive to take that fight. Right.

1277
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,440
Speaker 1: We might want her to, but if you're Amanda noon As,

1278
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: you're like, I've got two dubs on her, I'm not

1279
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: trying to get it, you know, risk a third. So

1280
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: we may end up with a situation where they don't

1281
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 1: actually make it. But I also think Amanda Unas is

1282
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: probably a little bit close. Hold on, hold on. Let

1283
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: me just posit to you. A world that might exist

1284
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: where they don't make it and Amanda Nunas retires without

1285
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: the third fight happening. However, in that same world, we

1286
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: hear Valentina say I can do this till I'm fifty. Well,

1287
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. But let's say she's around

1288
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: for like another ten years and just beats the shit

1289
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: out of people. Can she beat enough people without having

1290
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,640
Speaker 1: beat Amanda to surpass Amanda as the goat of women's mma.

1291
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,479
Speaker 2: She would probably need a few check marks to add,

1292
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,640
Speaker 2: meaning let's say set the UFC record for title defenses,

1293
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 2: set the UFC record for most wins in a title fight.

1294
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 2: That kind of stuff could could help her argument and

1295
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:14,240
Speaker 2: fuel it up, because look, ability wise, she's right there. Okay,

1296
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:16,960
Speaker 2: she fought way over ahead at one thirty five, yet

1297
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 2: you know, submitted Julianna Pania like it was nothing outpointed

1298
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: Holly Holm in an absolutely brilliant performance, may have beaten

1299
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 2: the greatest fighter of all time. And they're a title rematch,

1300
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 2: so she's close enough, Luke, that to your argument, yes,

1301
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 2: I think she might be able to just keep stockpiling.

1302
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 2: And obviously you wait around long enough, the next people

1303
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 2: are going to come. I mean, if the New Nest

1304
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 2: fight isn't even on the board, Luke, the argument may

1305
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 2: still be for UFC right now, that only super fights

1306
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 2: for the near future. For Valentino, what does that mean

1307
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 2: if Willey, you know, Jean Waiey wins that title against

1308
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 2: Rose in the rematch run Champion versus Champion Okay, why

1309
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 2: because I think Valentina's performances deserve her to get the

1310
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 2: biggest platform and pay an opportunities possible. And you said, well,

1311
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 2: what if Amanda doesn't have the incentive, And I shook

1312
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: my head right away. What I'm saying is there's no

1313
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 2: reason why UFC should not provide the incentive. Obviously, UFC

1314
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: is bathing in one hundred dollars bills right or wiping

1315
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 2: their ass with them right now.

1316
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 1: Luke.

1317
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: It's not like you can say, well, the promotion can't

1318
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 2: afford it. If there's somebody that you should pay to

1319
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: take a really hard fight, it's the person who's the

1320
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: greatest of all time, Amanda Nunas, who already moved up

1321
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 2: and wait and knocked out the other goat Cyborg. So

1322
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna pay her career high money that she

1323
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: can make sure her beautiful daughter has a college fund,

1324
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: do that now for the Valentina fight. And here is, Luke,

1325
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: here's what else I would do to add a little

1326
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: spice on it. Promote the shit out of it, as

1327
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 2: this the battle for number one pound for pound and

1328
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: possibly the battle for best of all time. Because if

1329
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: I know Cyborg's in this conversation. I'm not taking one

1330
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: first round knockout loss to take her out of it

1331
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,920
Speaker 2: against Amanda. But I'm I'm saying this, If Valentina has

1332
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 2: this title streak and those wins at one thirty five

1333
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: and those performances against Amanda, and then adds a victory

1334
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: over Amanda, potentially without controversy to become a two division champion,

1335
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: you can make an argument that just a you know,

1336
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 2: performance and ability wise, she's the goat, So why not

1337
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: market it as that? God good God Daily used to

1338
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: come out and tell us that Henn and Brow was

1339
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 2: the pof Pound King just because nobody wanted to buy

1340
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 2: the fights because the guy didn't speak English. I think

1341
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 2: you can. You can you fudget just a little for

1342
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,520
Speaker 2: this one, Luke can pay everybody what it's worth to

1343
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: make it all happen. Please, Okay, we got the money,

1344
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 2: We got enough money. Right now, maybe we could slow

1345
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 2: down construction of the new PI coming up in Zaire,

1346
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 2: Luke or whoever new country were putting it in the

1347
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 2: Democratic Republic of Congo. Maybe we can slow down the

1348
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: global expansion and make a fight that we need to see.

1349
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, maybe less fighter hotels, more fights that fans

1350
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 1: want to see. It's an interesting way to put it. Also,

1351
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna switch gears here a little bit to some

1352
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: other things happening, more MMA news. But you know, we're

1353
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: gonna get to some box and here just a second,

1354
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: I want to remind folks, not remind I guess we

1355
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: shouldell him for the first time. BC. We're gonna launch

1356
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 1: a Monday. I wanna call it a new podcast, but

1357
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: an addendum podcast where all of the fights over the

1358
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: weekend that we never got to in the rundown because

1359
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 1: we want to save it for the biggest things. We're

1360
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 1: gonna do all of that in a short podcast we're

1361
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 1: gonna release later today. So if you're like, oh, what

1362
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: about the Curtis Blades fire, what about Dan Hooker? Good

1363
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 1: news podcasts coming your way, stay tuned for it later

1364
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: on even better News.

1365
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 2: Luke toasted by you. So anybody that's like, Okay, I

1366
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 2: can only think so much of BC's passion and jokes.

1367
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: All right, you want to hear Luke breakdown Bow Nichols

1368
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 2: amateur MMA debut, Tune in later today.

1369
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: Okay, he looked good. He looked good. Uh, okay, all right,

1370
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: let's do this topic number four BC. I mean, this

1371
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: is so huge, dude, what if you were watching this live.

1372
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: First of all, credit to Eddie Hearn and Matchroom Boxing.

1373
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,320
Speaker 1: They made this look enormous and it was enormous. And

1374
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 1: in the end at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium in London, Alexander

1375
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:10,480
Speaker 1: Usik got it done. He wins against Anthony Joshua via

1376
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,439
Speaker 1: unanimous decision. I think it was one seventeen, one eleven,

1377
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: one sixteen, one eleven, one fifteen, one thirteen. There could

1378
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: be no denying it. And dude, in the twelfth and

1379
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 1: final round, you had Usick with Joshua quite literally on

1380
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: the ropes getting tuned up. It was unbelievable, thrilling from

1381
01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,080
Speaker 1: start to finish. Usik took that division BC by the

1382
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: scruff of the neck and said, this one is mine.

1383
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,400
Speaker 1: I could not believe what I was looking at. Let

1384
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: me ask you, if there's so much to say, let's

1385
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: start with your biggest takeaway from this monumental achievement in boxing.

1386
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: That not only was Alexander Usik as great as I

1387
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,720
Speaker 2: was trying to tell you he was, Luke, turns out

1388
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 2: he's even better. And I know that's an old school paraphrase.

1389
01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: Of the great Larry Merchant line on Manny Pakia after

1390
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: he stopped Miguel Koto. But it's like, turns out, Luke,

1391
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,920
Speaker 2: he was even fucking better than we thought. And what

1392
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:10,840
Speaker 2: that means here is that, you know, skills pay the bills.

1393
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 2: Skills win fights in the end when guys are relatively even.

1394
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:20,080
Speaker 2: But Usik needed Luke toughness, daring abilities, he needed all

1395
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: these other intangibles to give his skills a chance to

1396
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,960
Speaker 2: win the fight. And he had them, Luke, and he

1397
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:29,680
Speaker 2: had them in spades. And you know what else, he

1398
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:33,480
Speaker 2: had good fortune that the judges there, one from the UK,

1399
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 2: one from the US, one from Ukraine, didn't screw him

1400
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 2: that this fight was on the up and up, because Luke,

1401
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: if we had if it had played out like we

1402
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,919
Speaker 2: kind of predicted it might, or Usik had a case

1403
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: and then lost, or it was a draw. Anyone that

1404
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:48,919
Speaker 2: watched this fight, that's an MMA fan that got talked

1405
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 2: into it because of us would have been like, Okay, yeah,

1406
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 2: that was cool for forty five minutes entertainment, but your

1407
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 2: sport's fucked. No, it's not, Luke. We've got a new

1408
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: generational talent and star here. Dan Rafiel threw it out

1409
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 2: there like, hey, that might have like really cemented his

1410
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: hall of fame, you know, induction and in boxing they

1411
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: actually keep up pretty stringent hall of fame where you

1412
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 2: know when Artoro got he got in. That was one

1413
01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 2: of the first times where people were like, oh, is

1414
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 2: this hall of fame or hall of you know what

1415
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 2: you've accomplished. But for the most part, it's what you've accomplished. Luke,

1416
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 2: undisputed four belt cruiseweight champion, moves up and wins the

1417
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: unified heavyweight championship and lands the harder shots and makes

1418
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 2: the bigger adjustments and just bamboozles one of the greatest

1419
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 2: finishers and stars and fighters.

1420
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: Of this era.

1421
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 2: Luke, this was a special ass performance. This guy is

1422
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 2: a genius from a technical standpoint, but for him to

1423
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: come out and realize I can really shake things up

1424
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 2: early with those straight left hands, and I can stay

1425
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 2: in that pocket and be daring enough to keep up

1426
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: the fainting and the high activity, which is by the way,

1427
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 2: not dissimilar to what Tyson Fury did against Wilder in

1428
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 2: that first fight. Keep an active guard to disarm my opponent,

1429
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 2: and that builds up the mental and physical fatigue, and

1430
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 2: it gave Usik the landscape to operate surgically. And the

1431
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 2: fact that he never buckled because he never got hit

1432
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 2: by a fight changing shot, and the fact that he

1433
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: pulled this off, Luke, this is a credit to what

1434
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 2: the heavyweight division is. One punch can change anything, upsets

1435
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: can happen left or right, but skills one out on

1436
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,840
Speaker 2: this night, and I am very excited. Okay, we're not

1437
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: getting Fury Joshua for all four belts this year. We

1438
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,880
Speaker 2: may not get it next year, but I'm very excited

1439
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: to see how this plays out. With Joshua already publicly

1440
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: declaring that he will invoke the mandatory contracted rematch, it

1441
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: could come in late winter early spring of next year.

1442
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: We've got Wilder Fury three in two weeks. Dillian White's

1443
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,200
Speaker 2: got a big fight to open next year. You know,

1444
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 2: Andy Ruiz is still around, Luke, would you rather have

1445
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 2: an undisputed four belt champion right now or would you

1446
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,200
Speaker 2: rather have an active, unpredictable elite heavyweight division. I think

1447
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: we could have both, but I'd prefer the latter, and

1448
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 2: I think we're gonna get that right now. After this

1449
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 2: type of fight and performance, everything came together for Usik

1450
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 2: on the right night. I don't think we have anything

1451
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: to question about his greatness beyond the conversations of can

1452
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: he do that against a fury? I don't know. Well,

1453
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 2: you know, we're gonna have that topic down the road

1454
01:08:20,600 --> 01:08:23,200
Speaker 2: if we get there. But I think the real topic

1455
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 2: spins to this, Luke, and if people want more on this,

1456
01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: I did an instant reaction to it after the fight

1457
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: is what do you say about what Joshua didn't do

1458
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:34,920
Speaker 2: and what do you say about the time still left

1459
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 2: with him at thirty one, still in his physical prime

1460
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,639
Speaker 2: to try to turn this around entering yet another big

1461
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 2: money rematch, Luke, where he needs to come back and

1462
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:44,240
Speaker 2: figure out what went wrong.

1463
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: So for me, what was so interesting about this about

1464
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 1: is we had thought, based on how Usak had done

1465
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 1: at cruiserweight, even to an extent at heavyweight, with the

1466
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:56,719
Speaker 1: two fights he had had, that the last six rounds,

1467
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: not the first six rounds, would be the most important.

1468
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:00,920
Speaker 1: And for sure the last six, I mean all of

1469
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,160
Speaker 1: the rounds were really important, and there were moments in

1470
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: the last three I thought ten to twelve where it

1471
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:10,639
Speaker 1: really took a bad turn for Joshua for the most part.

1472
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 1: But what was so interesting be see is you know

1473
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: what rounds really mattered the most, the fucking opening belt

1474
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 1: around one. Dude, Usik went from the word go and

1475
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 1: got right in his face and he just he boxed

1476
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: circles around him literally and figuratively. Dude, this is what's interesting, Like,

1477
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: I haven't seen an almost make this comment because it's

1478
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 1: different sports, and they have different strategies and they have

1479
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,240
Speaker 1: different executions. There's a lot of things that are different.

1480
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: But what is the commonality between what Volkanovsky does and

1481
01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 1: is striking and what a guy like Usik does. Again,

1482
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: for all of the many, many, many, many many differences,

1483
01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: one of the things they do is they get their

1484
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: opponent to just make so many short term decisions that

1485
01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 1: they can't ever really execute right. You're constantly worried about

1486
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And Usik's going in and out, and

1487
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 1: he's jabbing to the body, and he's coming over with

1488
01:09:57,800 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 1: the hook, and he's chasing you this way, and he's

1489
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,760
Speaker 1: taking that in this way, and he's constantly in motion

1490
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: and he's constantly throwing. Dude, Joshua was in a fucking

1491
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 1: storm and couldn't tell which wave was gonna crash on

1492
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,479
Speaker 1: the boat next. It was just he was overwhelmed in

1493
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:15,320
Speaker 1: that sense with all of the things, not just the feints,

1494
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 1: but the punches too. Not just the punches, but the

1495
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,600
Speaker 1: faints in the movement. He couldn't get a read on

1496
01:10:19,680 --> 01:10:22,639
Speaker 1: this guy one time, dude Volkanovsky in his own kind

1497
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: of way. He shows up to you and he shows

1498
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,680
Speaker 1: you all these different things he's doing, and you think

1499
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,439
Speaker 1: it's this, and it's not. He's got a little bit

1500
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: more misdirection and trickery in that sense. But you get

1501
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: the idea where you can never get going if you're

1502
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:37,160
Speaker 1: an opponent of these guys, because they just won't let you.

1503
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:40,320
Speaker 1: In the case of Usik, he did this from the

1504
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: word go. I could not believe what I was looking at,

1505
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 1: and he stayed on it. Now give it credit to

1506
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: Joshua BC. He kind of made some adjustments around the midpoint.

1507
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:51,920
Speaker 1: I thought rounds five, six, and seven were better for him,

1508
01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:53,560
Speaker 1: depending when you want to score it or not. But

1509
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,680
Speaker 1: he did certainly did better in that way, but he

1510
01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 1: couldn't hang on, and you asked what he could do differently.

1511
01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: If you beat a guy like Joshua once, you have

1512
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: to do it twice. We all know the rules of boxing,

1513
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,080
Speaker 1: so to speak, formal or informal the rematch, cause I'm

1514
01:11:06,240 --> 01:11:09,519
Speaker 1: certain will be executed here. I do think it will

1515
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: be interesting. BC Tony Bellu, who knows Usik and his

1516
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:17,240
Speaker 1: boxing prowess quite well, he made a point. He's like, dude,

1517
01:11:17,320 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 1: Joshua's never gonna outbox this guy. It's not possible. Yeah,

1518
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 1: different than boxing's okay, but here's what Joshua can do.

1519
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,200
Speaker 1: Joshua thought, if I get smaller and I get more mobile,

1520
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: that will work to my advantage. It didn't. I think

1521
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,080
Speaker 1: he's gonna get back to a bigger size and really

1522
01:11:34,200 --> 01:11:36,679
Speaker 1: try and put the lumber to a guy like Usik

1523
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: who is smaller, and I do think that will make

1524
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: for an interesting rematch.

1525
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 2: What about you, Well, yeah, look, I gave Joshua a

1526
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: round six, eight and nine, and he did make a

1527
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 2: great adjustment, not just what Roy Jones said to take

1528
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 2: a little bit off of his punches to be able

1529
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: to land more in quicker succession and make the fight

1530
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:54,240
Speaker 2: more on his terms. But he went hard to the

1531
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 2: body and he did hit a couple right hands, which

1532
01:11:57,040 --> 01:11:59,040
Speaker 2: I think coincided with Usik having a bit of a

1533
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 2: stamina dump because Luke, the pati Usik put on in

1534
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:04,080
Speaker 2: the beginning to your point about comparing it to Volkanowski,

1535
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 2: it was insane. I mean, it took away all those fates,

1536
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 2: took away AJ's jab. But the real point of criticism

1537
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,000
Speaker 2: is that Aj tried to out box you know, the

1538
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:15,200
Speaker 2: boxer had to play out chest the chess master, and

1539
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: you can't do that. So he's got to make substantial

1540
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,639
Speaker 2: changes entering the second one. And Luke, his trainer, Rob McCracken,

1541
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 2: was highly under fighter fire when he lost to Andy Berweiz,

1542
01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:30,000
Speaker 2: where it's like, Okay, you've had this guy forever, do

1543
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:34,000
Speaker 2: you need a major change, and he's stuck by his man. Luke. Again,

1544
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they need to fire him, but they

1545
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 2: need a major change. I mean, you can't bring it

1546
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 2: Emmanuel Stewart, right, he's gone the late Hall of Famer.

1547
01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 2: But Stewart turned Lennox Lewis and you know a punchie

1548
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 2: Vladimir Klitch go around by teaching them the legitimate big

1549
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: man style, not just standing up strong and using your

1550
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 2: size and reach and living and dying behind your jab.

1551
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:58,679
Speaker 2: But Luke, you know this in heavyweight boxing by being

1552
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: physical andablishing your size. Aj never fought like the bigger

1553
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: man he was. He was content to fall into the

1554
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 2: counterpuncher role. But because Usik's guard was so active, and

1555
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 2: because those left hands stung Aj enough, he got wobbled

1556
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 2: around three where He's like, yo, I could get knocked

1557
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,560
Speaker 2: out if I keep this up. AJ became the counterpuncher.

1558
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 2: But Luke, he never became the bigger man. What does

1559
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,439
Speaker 2: the bigger man do? He throws that weight in size

1560
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 2: advantage and lays all over you. Luke, why did we

1561
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 2: hate the second half of the Vladimir Klitschko era because

1562
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 2: you didn't want to get hit by any punches. He

1563
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 2: got knocked out three times early in his run that

1564
01:13:34,880 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 2: once he landed a stiff jab, he'd lay on you

1565
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,839
Speaker 2: and forced to clinch. He was always using his size

1566
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:44,600
Speaker 2: and forearms and everything he could to remind you that

1567
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: you were in there against the bigger man. Obviously, the

1568
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,320
Speaker 2: referees jurisdiction on that can play a big part. But Aj,

1569
01:13:51,479 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 2: who doesn't have an inside fighting game outside of maybe

1570
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 2: that uppercut he hit on Poulev Look that you know,

1571
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,680
Speaker 2: Look he's bewildered from the start, So maybe he was

1572
01:14:01,760 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 2: in survival mode earlier than we thought. But for as

1573
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 2: much as he made adjustments to the boxing side, Bro,

1574
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 2: you're not the boxer in this matchup, and you can

1575
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,240
Speaker 2: look around this heavyweight division. I said this in the

1576
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 2: Instant Reaction show, Luke, there's two people that can do

1577
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 2: this to you, Tyson Fury and Alexander Usik. Everybody else.

1578
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:23,160
Speaker 2: AJ's athleticism is enough to out box and eventually knock

1579
01:14:23,240 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 2: them out because he's such a great puncher. But when

1580
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:30,280
Speaker 2: you're facing the true craftsman of this era, you can't

1581
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: outcraft them. Bro, you gotta go out there and knock

1582
01:14:33,080 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: this guy the hell out. And I still do think

1583
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,040
Speaker 2: there's questions, legit questions of whether Usak can take an

1584
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:43,040
Speaker 2: elite heavy elite knockout artist's best punch over consecutive rounds

1585
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,280
Speaker 2: and still be able to get off the offense he

1586
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 2: can look. I think we saw a brief window of

1587
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 2: that in those rounds that we did score for Joshua,

1588
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 2: where Usik's output went down and he was starting to

1589
01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: be much more defensive and shifty in the other direction

1590
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 2: rather than shifty coming at you, which confuses you and

1591
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:03,760
Speaker 2: makes you use up a lot of nervous energy looke.

1592
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 2: Do you think he needs to change trainers or do

1593
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 2: you think there's a way they can look at this tape?

1594
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: You know, old dog new tricks, all those type of

1595
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 2: euphemisms and stuff. Can you teach? Can he be taught?

1596
01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: Can we bring Lennox Lewis in here and teach the

1597
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 2: real big man style because he's gonna need it.

1598
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:23,360
Speaker 1: Brother. I gotta say, I almost wish this fight had

1599
01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: happened before the I keep calling him Andy Reid, before

1600
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,599
Speaker 1: the Andy, before the Andy Ruiz fights because I think

1601
01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,640
Speaker 1: the Andy. I mean, here's the thing, like remember the

1602
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:37,080
Speaker 1: Clitchko fight, Like who had a better Clitchko fight, Tyson

1603
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: Fury or Anthony Joshua. Well, Tyson Fury was it was

1604
01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,360
Speaker 1: more one sided. I guess you could argue with the

1605
01:15:42,439 --> 01:15:44,600
Speaker 1: better fight, like you know, getting off the canvas and

1606
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:47,439
Speaker 1: everything else. I mean that fight with with Joshua was thrilling,

1607
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: It was super thrilling, right, but he wasn't afraid to

1608
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 1: fight in that way. I think the I think that again,

1609
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: I keep saying read the Ruiz fight kind of spooked

1610
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 1: him a little bit about what it would mean to

1611
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,360
Speaker 1: lose and how you could and all the things that

1612
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: could go wrong in a fight. Not that he's like

1613
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: afraid of taking punches, but afraid of what the consequences

1614
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 1: would be if that kind of thing happened. And I

1615
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:11,799
Speaker 1: don't know if he needs to change trainers. I obviously

1616
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 1: think being bigger, dude, you got I said it on

1617
01:16:13,920 --> 01:16:15,880
Speaker 1: the on the on the Friday Show, and I think

1618
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,800
Speaker 1: since then others have used the fight to make a

1619
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: more pronounced case for it. Dude, he needs to get

1620
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: in there and like pump that jab in a way

1621
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,280
Speaker 1: that could really sting a guy like Usik. If Usak

1622
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:30,720
Speaker 1: can get there cooking and doing his you know, his

1623
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 1: dancing kind of thing, there's just not a whole lot

1624
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:34,040
Speaker 1: to do beyond that.

1625
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: Look, not only could he not land the jab, but

1626
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 2: he was getting countered with I think he thought, Usik,

1627
01:16:40,320 --> 01:16:42,559
Speaker 2: here's the deal. I told you this before I called

1628
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: him Husick Bellu fight on his own. A week later,

1629
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 2: I went to New York City to interview Canelo, and

1630
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: Eddie Hearn was there because Canelo was fighting. When Eddie

1631
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: Hearn's go was it Rocky Fielding or some shit? I

1632
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 2: forgot the timeline of events, but I said to I

1633
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 2: said to Eddie's face, Eddie love you. Usik's gonna be

1634
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,320
Speaker 2: Joshua though, and they're like, no, no, no, he's too small, bro,

1635
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:04,519
Speaker 2: he's too small. I don't think aj thought Usik could

1636
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,439
Speaker 2: knock him out, Luke. I really didn't. So we want

1637
01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 2: to say, hey, big man, use your jab. I think

1638
01:17:09,439 --> 01:17:11,519
Speaker 2: his plan was to use that jab. But once you

1639
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: started getting pieced up with those left hands, it was like,

1640
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,680
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get. I'm gonna drop right, I'm gonna get.

1641
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: But it goes back again, different sport, but same same night.

1642
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 1: It goes back to the Cynthia just gone Drodge fight,

1643
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: where like, dude, you can land on him, but you

1644
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: got to put something on him that makes them back up.

1645
01:17:27,400 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: You got to get them off of you. Now, in

1646
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:31,880
Speaker 1: the case of Androge, we'll talk about her on the later,

1647
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 1: but the idea would be that she's just so tough.

1648
01:17:34,360 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 1: Usik is the smaller guy. I do believe it's like

1649
01:17:36,920 --> 01:17:38,599
Speaker 1: it's like the Tyson Fury fight where he was kind

1650
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,720
Speaker 1: of dancing around Wilder the first time, and then the

1651
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 1: second time he just went and took it to him.

1652
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 1: There's got I mean, I'm not saying that. I think

1653
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,760
Speaker 1: josh was on the same technical acumen ability as a

1654
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 1: guy like Tyson Fury. But there has to be some

1655
01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:53,679
Speaker 1: kind of a way to make this more competitive, especially

1656
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: like you know, this was in England, like you you

1657
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 1: should have gotten some hometown cooking and they just couldn't

1658
01:17:58,640 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: give it to him.

1659
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 2: And there's just no He's got to be physical, he's

1660
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 2: got to use his forums, he's got to basically be grimmy.

1661
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love him and Lennox Lewis have had

1662
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: a weird sort of not brotherly mentorship if they could

1663
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,560
Speaker 2: get good and you can get Lenox in there and

1664
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:16,559
Speaker 2: you can really start to figure out how to use

1665
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,600
Speaker 2: that size to your advantage. Luke, that's the problem with

1666
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 2: this overall era where these heavyweights aren't actual boxers. They're

1667
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 2: either bruisers or they're athletes turned into heavyweights. And when

1668
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 2: you get an actual guy once in a while like

1669
01:18:32,120 --> 01:18:35,040
Speaker 2: a Usik and Fury who can actually do this at

1670
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,360
Speaker 2: the super elite technical level, you're gonna have problems if

1671
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 2: you're Joshua. So, Luke, what we did learn was that

1672
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 2: Fury would have fucked Joshua up and knocked him the

1673
01:18:43,200 --> 01:18:43,519
Speaker 2: hell up.

1674
01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you would have dude. People got bitter at

1675
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 1: me when I said it. I'm like, no, sorry, you

1676
01:18:49,800 --> 01:18:52,799
Speaker 1: don't think Yeah, dude, if you don't think that Tyson

1677
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 1: Fury would go in there and fucking dummy Joshua at

1678
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: this point, I don't know what you're looking at. He's

1679
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: a terrible matchup for him. Now, Joshua and Wilder a

1680
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 1: bit of a different scenario, right, because you got the

1681
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 1: vulnerability on both sides, while there's not nearly the boxer Joshua.

1682
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 1: Anyone really up against that power is going to have

1683
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: some difficulty. But that one seems to me like that's

1684
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,240
Speaker 1: a well made fight. But Tyson Fury, Fuck that dude.

1685
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 1: He's working him like a summer job, no doubt about it.

1686
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 1: So thrilling if you didn't see it, and BC's recap

1687
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: of it is an ode to boxing, if not just

1688
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:29,000
Speaker 1: to fight itself, I highly recommend checking it.

1689
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:31,680
Speaker 2: Would rock hard with emotion while delivering that.

1690
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,320
Speaker 1: Loop, you certainly rock hard whatever it's emotion I want

1691
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 1: to relive. I don't know all right, last, but not least, see,

1692
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: let's just get to this now if we can. Topic

1693
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:43,920
Speaker 1: number five. I don't bring this up for fun. It's

1694
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: not fun. Everything about it actually sucks. But John Jones

1695
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: was arrested again just hours, quite literally, just hours after

1696
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 1: being inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame for his

1697
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: bout with Alexander Gustafsen BC. I don't want to editorialize

1698
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:02,960
Speaker 1: any more than we already have about this situation, or

1699
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:06,439
Speaker 1: I should say, John Jones is ongoing situations. What is

1700
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 1: there left to say about this? What if reactions do

1701
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: you have?

1702
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 2: I got a few things to say beyond it's a sad,

1703
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: it's a pattern, it's it's whatever. Obviously everyone said it best.

1704
01:20:15,720 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 2: You know, the fact that this was the same night

1705
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: of the Hall of Fame, that this is his career

1706
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:22,000
Speaker 2: in a microcosm, Louke, We've said this before, We'll say

1707
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,559
Speaker 2: it again. He's the sports greatest fighter of all time.

1708
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 2: He's the sports biggest cautionary tale of what if anyone

1709
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 2: that's like, what if he's the go It's well, what

1710
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 2: could he have? I mean, how far could that goat?

1711
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, argument be right now if he was, if

1712
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,240
Speaker 2: he had didn't have these type of hiccups. I also

1713
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 2: want to say, and I made this argument, Diego Sanchez,

1714
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,320
Speaker 2: he didn't get inducted to the Hall of Fame his fight.

1715
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:45,000
Speaker 2: Did I know that you didn't necessarily say that, but

1716
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,080
Speaker 2: everybody was sort of like, you know, inducted the fame.

1717
01:20:48,160 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: Get a ready, it's his fight, bro. He's not a

1718
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer yet. Okay, obviously he's a slam dunk

1719
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer when it happens. But can we can

1720
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,519
Speaker 2: we have some actual standards here.

1721
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: To the point.

1722
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 2: You havec needs to cut him wow? And I, oh,

1723
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 2: oh that's crazy, BC. Is it crazy? Because I feel

1724
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,040
Speaker 2: like we had the same exact topic and argument in

1725
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 2: twenty twenty when Jones got pulled over in Albuquerque when

1726
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 2: we thought he was doing good right and fired a

1727
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 2: firearm DUI was talking to homeless people. Was just, you know,

1728
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 2: drugs in the car, just a sketchy situation, Luke, I

1729
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 2: had to write that newser for CBS Sports. I know

1730
01:21:25,439 --> 01:21:27,840
Speaker 2: you did the IA sort of news reaction to it.

1731
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 2: Do you agree with me when you went up and

1732
01:21:30,320 --> 01:21:33,360
Speaker 2: down the list of the amount of infractions from drug

1733
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: tests to the hit and run in twenty fifteen. I

1734
01:21:36,479 --> 01:21:39,040
Speaker 2: forgot about the twenty twelve when he crashed his car

1735
01:21:39,160 --> 01:21:41,760
Speaker 2: drunkenly into a tree, Like you forget that the time

1736
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: with the waitress that got thrown out of court. You

1737
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,879
Speaker 2: forget all of these infractions not before he was famous

1738
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 2: in the midst of his championship reign. Luke, here's the deal.

1739
01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 2: His absence during this whole heavyweight reinvention slash public fight

1740
01:21:58,400 --> 01:22:01,519
Speaker 2: for money. Does it go inside with the UFC's greatest

1741
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 2: financial period ever. Yes, But what that shows you is

1742
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 2: they don't actually need him. The problem is they're not

1743
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: gonna discipline him at all, because that's what the UFC does.

1744
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 2: They don't do that. They leave it in the hands

1745
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 2: of the law. Conor McGregor throwing the thing through the

1746
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: window and getting glass in rayborg Zi and scaring the

1747
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:22,600
Speaker 2: crap out of Yoanna and all of his other coworkers

1748
01:22:22,640 --> 01:22:25,639
Speaker 2: in there. Good God, Look, he didn't get a slap

1749
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,879
Speaker 2: on the damn wrist from the UFC. He got rewarded

1750
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,639
Speaker 2: with the biggest pay per view fight of all time.

1751
01:22:30,840 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 2: I don't care what Dana says about how much the

1752
01:22:33,080 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 2: legal fees cost for Connord not applicable here. Okay. If

1753
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 2: they want to be responsible for caring about John Jones

1754
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: the person, they need to cut and fire him right

1755
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,040
Speaker 2: now and not worry about what's left in the tank

1756
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: for potential pay per view buys, either as an A

1757
01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 2: list future heavyweight champion or even just as a B

1758
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:57,719
Speaker 2: side to sell his name to up and coming fighters.

1759
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 2: It's not about that. It should be about that. And

1760
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,560
Speaker 2: I'll add in there again that because the promotion is

1761
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 2: not hurting for money or pay per view buys, there

1762
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 2: is nothing left to do but to fire him, to

1763
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,599
Speaker 2: try to be some form of lasting message that there's

1764
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 2: a penalty for this, Luke, I don't know exactly how

1765
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,600
Speaker 2: the justice system works. I know that if this was

1766
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 2: John Jones, the McDonald's janitor, you know what I'm saying,

1767
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,720
Speaker 2: he'd already be in jail for this many infractions in

1768
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:29,560
Speaker 2: a short period. I'm not saying John Jones needs to

1769
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,320
Speaker 2: go to jail, although you can argue maybe he does

1770
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:35,120
Speaker 2: for a long time to really see the full spectrum

1771
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,640
Speaker 2: of his actions here. But do you know what's not

1772
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 2: gonna fix him Dana coming out to the media and

1773
01:23:40,920 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 2: saying I told you guys, Las Vegas and John Jones

1774
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: doesn't mix. Dana, what is that saying we can't trust

1775
01:23:46,920 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 2: him in Las Vegas? Okay? Cool, You're just gonna enable

1776
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,680
Speaker 2: him again by giving him a pay per view fight,

1777
01:23:53,200 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 2: And nothing's gonna get fixed here because John's got a

1778
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,800
Speaker 2: problem and he and those who handle and surround him

1779
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: do not have the power to fix it. But if

1780
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,800
Speaker 2: you're UFC at some level, with the Disney backing and

1781
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 2: the corporate sponsorships and all this ridiculous money that's coming in,

1782
01:24:10,200 --> 01:24:11,599
Speaker 2: what would the NFL do, Luke?

1783
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: They'd cut him, right, A team would cut him, and

1784
01:24:17,880 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 1: then another team would pick him up.

1785
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: But yes, you know, at some point, how much more

1786
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:25,439
Speaker 2: do you want the disgrace of these things happening to

1787
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 2: your brand? And how much more do you want to

1788
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 2: keep seeing this redemption, fake story and just another infraction. Luke.

1789
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,840
Speaker 2: They don't actually need him, so the best thing they

1790
01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: can do to help him is send him back out there,

1791
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:40,679
Speaker 2: and he'll have to look in the mirror and say, Okay,

1792
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 2: I'm still John Jones. Oh maybe I can make a

1793
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 2: payday here or here, But if I'm not fighting in

1794
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 2: the UFC for the heavyweight championship, who am I?

1795
01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:52,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I don't know what the

1796
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: right answer is for what the UFC should do or

1797
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 1: what anyone Yeah.

1798
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 2: But argue against that, Try to argue against that one.

1799
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 1: Here's what I would say though, the if you're saying

1800
01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,840
Speaker 1: something like, oh, well, we can't bring John to Las

1801
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: Vegas without getting in trouble, It's like, dude, las Vegas

1802
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,599
Speaker 1: ain't the problem. Yes, like you know what I mean.

1803
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:13,639
Speaker 1: If you can't go to Vegas without getting arrested, Vegas

1804
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 1: is not the problem. The problem is you or whatever

1805
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: it is. And I don't bring this up to be

1806
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: like dude, and let's think about this. He got arrested

1807
01:25:21,520 --> 01:25:24,479
Speaker 1: a year ago during the middle of the pandemic. For

1808
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 1: we saw the video from the dash cam or not

1809
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 1: the dash camp, I should say that the chest cam

1810
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: of the of the attending officer, where you know, there

1811
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,240
Speaker 1: was issues with drinking in the car and potentially firing

1812
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,680
Speaker 1: off gunshots. And he played guilty to most of this,

1813
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 1: but they reduced it. There was COVID issues because of

1814
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:42,200
Speaker 1: overcrowded jails or whatever. Our staff they just couldn't handle it.

1815
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:44,160
Speaker 1: So they let him walk. And here he is about

1816
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:48,120
Speaker 1: a year or eighteen months later, and he's getting arrested again. Dude,

1817
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 1: if you're getting arrested like this and we don't know

1818
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,240
Speaker 1: a whole lot again innocent toil proven guilty, but you

1819
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: played guilty through the last ones. We saw all the

1820
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: other issues you've had. Dude, if you're getting in trouble

1821
01:25:59,400 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 1: this much, you've got serious problems in your life. And

1822
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to get up on here and be

1823
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: like I've got life figured out. My life is so grand.

1824
01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,240
Speaker 1: My life is not grand. I've got all kinds of problems,

1825
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 1: and most of those are overwhelmingly my fault. I'm not

1826
01:26:12,120 --> 01:26:14,800
Speaker 1: some person who has life figured out, but I'm not

1827
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:18,720
Speaker 1: getting arrested in the fucking street in my thirties.

1828
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 2: Man, what are you doing this?

1829
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:24,920
Speaker 1: This is a serious problem, whether it's substance abuse or

1830
01:26:25,040 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 1: risk management or a combination of the two. I'm not

1831
01:26:27,760 --> 01:26:29,800
Speaker 1: even saying this to score points. I'm saying this because

1832
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: the guy fucking needs help. He needs help, and if

1833
01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:34,920
Speaker 1: he'd bec hold on. If he doesn't get it, this

1834
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:38,080
Speaker 1: is not the end of the problems. They will continue.

1835
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:40,519
Speaker 1: Either you will solve the problems or the problems will

1836
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:43,560
Speaker 1: solve themselves one way or another. This is bad, And

1837
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,719
Speaker 1: I also want to say, like I've never really addressed

1838
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 1: it before, like the comments where you know he slam

1839
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:49,679
Speaker 1: dunked on me at the pre fight presser. But let's

1840
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 1: go back and revisit that for a second, because it

1841
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: turns out part of me what happened was unflattering comments

1842
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: I made around UFC two hundred. Some of those have

1843
01:26:57,479 --> 01:26:59,799
Speaker 1: been shown to me, and yeah they were not especially

1844
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:02,519
Speaker 1: but dude, reflect on this now was it three four

1845
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 1: years later since that has happened. Think about all the

1846
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:08,240
Speaker 1: shit that has happened in the cage and out of

1847
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:12,400
Speaker 1: it collectively, all since that second fucking redemption story was

1848
01:27:12,439 --> 01:27:15,840
Speaker 1: sold to us. I'm the asshole for saying that I

1849
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:18,840
Speaker 1: was dead right then and I'm dead right now. There

1850
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: was nothing I said that you could go back and

1851
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 1: look at and be like, wow, he was really he

1852
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 1: was way too harsh. He was way off in that

1853
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 1: no one owes me anything. I'm not owed an interview.

1854
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm not owed anything. They don't have to answer questions.

1855
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:31,840
Speaker 1: That part is fine, but it's probably time to reflect

1856
01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: on the fact that, like people who said John Jones

1857
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:37,560
Speaker 1: really fucked up around UFC two hundred, and that this

1858
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,080
Speaker 1: is a you know, this is unconscionable that it keeps

1859
01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: happening now four years later, they've only they have only

1860
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:48,920
Speaker 1: been vindicated, only been vindicated well, but the most important

1861
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: story here is BC. Dude, if we're still singing this

1862
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,000
Speaker 1: fucking tune four years later, dude, the guy needs help.

1863
01:27:56,240 --> 01:27:57,439
Speaker 1: He needs real help.

1864
01:27:57,479 --> 01:28:01,759
Speaker 2: Looks past both mental this and the disease of addiction,

1865
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: and says, you know, just get it together. No, he's

1866
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:08,600
Speaker 2: got legitimate issues, but you know, bringing him back just

1867
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 2: to cash out his name does nothing for anyone. And

1868
01:28:12,200 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 2: we all thought, you know what, the public embarrassment of

1869
01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,560
Speaker 2: multiple arrests would be his rock bottom. It's not. I

1870
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:19,640
Speaker 2: don't know if jail is Luke. It might be, but

1871
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,639
Speaker 2: I think Cuttingham, I think firing him is another step

1872
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,160
Speaker 2: toward that rock bottom. So we got enough money in

1873
01:28:25,160 --> 01:28:27,080
Speaker 2: the vault here, I think we can afford this. Let's

1874
01:28:27,120 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 2: do the right thing. Look, forget the McDonald's comparison, or

1875
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: even Joe in accounting at your company. If this was

1876
01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 2: name any fighter outside the top ten, Look, they don't

1877
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: have a job in the UFC anymore, right, true?

1878
01:28:41,360 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 1: Probably not? No, they might not even be an mma.

1879
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 2: So right, so like, what what do you need? Do

1880
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:50,040
Speaker 2: we need John Jones to kill somebody in the DUI?

1881
01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,639
Speaker 2: Do we need him to what do we need Luke?

1882
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:56,519
Speaker 2: What's the line I think we're pats that already. If

1883
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 2: we care about him as a person, then fighting shouldn't

1884
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: even be remotely in this topic. By the way, you

1885
01:29:01,439 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 2: can always like resign him down the road if he

1886
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,880
Speaker 2: turns things around, Luke, But for now, he's not. He's

1887
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 2: not fit to be a UFC fighter.

1888
01:29:11,320 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, though, like he would he would hold

1889
01:29:12,960 --> 01:29:15,719
Speaker 1: a grudge where if they cut him, you know, unless

1890
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,880
Speaker 1: it was utterly impossible to make money without them, you know,

1891
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: he would never go back. I'm just saying that, right.

1892
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Don't you think that if they cut him he would

1893
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,720
Speaker 1: take it as like some kind of affront, you know?

1894
01:29:30,280 --> 01:29:32,600
Speaker 2: No, Look, okay, what if he went out and and

1895
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:35,679
Speaker 2: god took a couple of fights elsewhere and rejuvenate himself.

1896
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:38,240
Speaker 2: He'd want to come back eventually, and if he cleaned

1897
01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:39,680
Speaker 2: up his life, Luke, why not.

1898
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:42,560
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, if he if he, if he

1899
01:29:42,600 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 1: were to get.

1900
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:45,679
Speaker 2: Where, that's the the where. That's part of the decision making.

1901
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 2: That's what I'm wrying.

1902
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, this is your reason for cutting

1903
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,840
Speaker 1: him to send a message or is your argument for

1904
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:56,840
Speaker 1: cutting him? This will continue, and when it does, you're

1905
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,840
Speaker 1: gonna have a guy on your roster. Who will have

1906
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: done something heinous and all this time you did nothing

1907
01:30:02,280 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: about it? Is that the argument?

1908
01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,240
Speaker 2: I think it's both of those, and I think it's

1909
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,960
Speaker 2: mixed with the other argument of what's fair, you know,

1910
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: star treatment versus like how many more times do we

1911
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 2: need to see this? Like it's all together in the

1912
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,840
Speaker 2: same argument, Luke, because you know in the past it

1913
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 2: would be like, Okay, a couple infractions, Well, look at boxing,

1914
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: these guys, you know this shit happens all the time.

1915
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,120
Speaker 2: And look, let's be honest, Tronte Tank Davis has had

1916
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:28,200
Speaker 2: some stuff happening too, like, but like, UFC is in

1917
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 2: a different place than the disorganized nature of boxing promoters

1918
01:30:32,160 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 2: and where we're at. I mean, they're trying to go

1919
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:40,240
Speaker 2: full on reel across the board mainstream. So to your point,

1920
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 2: that's something I wasn't necessarily stressing on. But let's be

1921
01:30:42,479 --> 01:30:45,560
Speaker 2: honest about it. If something really bad does happen to

1922
01:30:45,680 --> 01:30:48,200
Speaker 2: somebody else and it's a public, really bad, public scandal,

1923
01:30:48,439 --> 01:30:50,760
Speaker 2: do you want your UFC brand attached to that? No,

1924
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:54,400
Speaker 2: So at what point do you make like the responsible

1925
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 2: adult decision here?

1926
01:30:56,120 --> 01:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess we're gonna find out. All right,

1927
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 1: would that be c It is no longer time for

1928
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,439
Speaker 1: you and us to ask ourselves questions. It's time for

1929
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: the audience to ask us. It's time for dms from dogs.

1930
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:12,080
Speaker 1: As you guys know, we put up a thread on

1931
01:31:12,240 --> 01:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Instagram every Sunday and we let you guys ask questions.

1932
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,600
Speaker 1: All right, so let's go to the we've pulled this

1933
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: up here my notes. All right, First up is from

1934
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: keV J. Math. I guess the elephant in the room,

1935
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: almost quite literally? Are we going to talk about Ortegus package?

1936
01:31:31,960 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 2: Well?

1937
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:33,640
Speaker 1: I did.

1938
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:37,439
Speaker 2: I did measure that the BDE was undeniable. Luke. I

1939
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:40,800
Speaker 2: know there's sizes to cups, right, yeah, I mean there's

1940
01:31:40,880 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 2: there's shapes.

1941
01:31:41,520 --> 01:31:44,479
Speaker 1: There's shapes as well too, like they're not all identically shaped.

1942
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 2: Like I played roller hockey in my twenties and I

1943
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:48,599
Speaker 2: was wearing like the Little League cup that I had

1944
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 2: and it wasn't working out well, So I know there's

1945
01:31:50,439 --> 01:31:54,519
Speaker 2: sizes to cups. Luke, he must buy the biggest one possible. Now,

1946
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:56,720
Speaker 2: is there is there a need or a reason behind that?

1947
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: Does his celebrity list of clientele over the years tell

1948
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:01,920
Speaker 2: there might be Luke, Hey, that'd be a great problem

1949
01:32:01,960 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 2: to have. But that cup is freaking enormous, Luke.

1950
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:08,800
Speaker 1: It's a huge cup. It's a I mean you it's

1951
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:10,840
Speaker 1: like he's got the Stanley cup in there. You know

1952
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: of cups. I don't know why, but he I will

1953
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 1: say this. It's a bit of a weapon. Like if

1954
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:19,439
Speaker 1: you can get arm bars across it, it acts as

1955
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: a full crew and you can fucking tear people up

1956
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: with it. But yeah, he's got a giant ass cup.

1957
01:32:25,240 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 2: I mean, if you put somebody in a triangle, could

1958
01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:29,639
Speaker 2: you use that cup against their face as a weapon,

1959
01:32:29,720 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 2: like you're saying.

1960
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Luke, yeah you could. I don't know if it doesn't

1961
01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,400
Speaker 1: really meaningfully address the triangle. Because the triangle works, one

1962
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:39,519
Speaker 1: leg is on one side of the carotid and then

1963
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,840
Speaker 1: their own arm is on the other. So I should

1964
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:42,800
Speaker 1: say this leg on this side.

1965
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,439
Speaker 2: So yeah, you can nose into your crotch and just

1966
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 2: smash their face with it, Luke.

1967
01:32:48,200 --> 01:32:51,200
Speaker 1: Yes, you could do that. You could do that all right?

1968
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:57,120
Speaker 1: At Super Awkward from at Underscore is the terrain Z

1969
01:32:57,120 --> 01:32:59,640
Speaker 1: that rain? How much do we need to donate for

1970
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 1: a rest? A review on Colby Cuffington So after the

1971
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:05,840
Speaker 1: John Jones News Colby took to Twitter and you know

1972
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: was unkind as you can well imagine. Uh, you know,

1973
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm not sure what to say about this.

1974
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 2: Well, looke, let's use this as let's sin this as

1975
01:33:17,560 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: a positive they or Mikey Mormal producer says, the resume

1976
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:23,840
Speaker 2: review is seven and oh with six finishes, which is

1977
01:33:23,880 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 2: pretty damn impressive. Wow, I don't want to take up

1978
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:29,960
Speaker 2: money and everybody tell us you should do the next

1979
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 2: one on someone we hate, but hot does this because

1980
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 2: it's seven and oh? Now does that change the selection

1981
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 2: process at all? I mean, like, are we still looking

1982
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 2: at look big fight? Who's a fighter that has a

1983
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,040
Speaker 2: decent sized career that would be entertaining to break down?

1984
01:33:44,080 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 2: We're still looking at it at that right, Luke, Kolby's

1985
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 2: not that guy yet. Yes, but but but if we

1986
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 2: did Usman ahead of the Colby rematch, that would really

1987
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:56,920
Speaker 2: be putting that resume review of the test.

1988
01:33:57,240 --> 01:34:00,599
Speaker 1: Luke. But see, that's a tough fight. Like our producers

1989
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:02,200
Speaker 1: are saying, what we gotta do is we gotta find

1990
01:34:02,280 --> 01:34:05,240
Speaker 1: like a Valentina squash match. Can you imagine if we

1991
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:08,160
Speaker 1: did want a Valentina and she fucking lost? People would

1992
01:34:08,200 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 1: come to US with Pitchforks.

1993
01:34:10,160 --> 01:34:11,839
Speaker 2: I feel like it, but it was like a shattered

1994
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 2: leg where she didn't actually get beaten, but like you know,

1995
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 2: TKO injury law.

1996
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: She just suffered like a horribly traumatic injury. Yeah, yeah,

1997
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:23,800
Speaker 1: that'd be bad, all right. From Riggins thirty two with

1998
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:27,080
Speaker 1: City Kickboxing relocating to the US, everyone says they're relocating

1999
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 1: and like otta sign was like I'm relocating and then

2000
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,400
Speaker 1: like other people like we might do it. So I'm

2001
01:34:30,439 --> 01:34:32,559
Speaker 1: not sure how that's gonna work. Do you think you'll

2002
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 1: see many American based fighters going to train there? Fuck? Yeah?

2003
01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2004
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:38,120
Speaker 1: And which top fighters do you think would benefit most

2005
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: from their type of coaching? Anyone who is not and

2006
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: anybody could benefit from their coaching VC.

2007
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:45,760
Speaker 2: If I if I'm Kevin Lee's tattoo artist, Luke, I

2008
01:34:45,880 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 2: tell him head right there? Please?

2009
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:55,400
Speaker 1: No, what would he benefit from that? He doesn't get

2010
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:58,679
Speaker 1: at extreme couture. I don't think extreme couture is his problem?

2011
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:01,720
Speaker 2: Well I think that look some guy you know, is

2012
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 2: it is game planning XES and knows his issue? Or

2013
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:06,760
Speaker 2: is it making big mistakes and having cardio dumps in

2014
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:09,200
Speaker 2: big moments. I don't know, but this should be a

2015
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 2: major new player to the scene in terms of super teams,

2016
01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: where an established fighter who's had a down period can

2017
01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 2: go and potentially recharge himself. It's again, it's in boxing.

2018
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,360
Speaker 2: It's the equivalent to when Freddie Roach became world famous

2019
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:25,320
Speaker 2: and boxers were leaving their trainers to go see if

2020
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 2: he can turn their offense around. It would be very

2021
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,840
Speaker 2: interesting to see, Luke. If if if a mid level,

2022
01:35:33,439 --> 01:35:36,680
Speaker 2: talented but flawed fighter could go there and learn their

2023
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 2: their systems, the way that they look at game planning,

2024
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 2: the striking and setting things up. And if if somebody

2025
01:35:45,560 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 2: like a Kevin Lee, who seems to have the physical

2026
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 2: tools could just have that little seasoning on the on

2027
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: the stake.

2028
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,720
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, but how many times have you seen him

2029
01:35:53,720 --> 01:35:55,160
Speaker 1: go back to his corner in his corners, like we

2030
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,080
Speaker 1: need you to do X next round, and then he

2031
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 1: just doesn't do X at all? Like, I don't know,

2032
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,720
Speaker 1: that's a cornering if shoot or you know, you got

2033
01:36:02,840 --> 01:36:05,280
Speaker 1: to listen to your corner, man, I mean, they can't

2034
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: make you do that. I don't know what to say

2035
01:36:07,439 --> 01:36:10,559
Speaker 1: about that, but the answer is if they really could.

2036
01:36:10,560 --> 01:36:12,400
Speaker 1: To the US, dude, there are people are gonna beating

2037
01:36:12,479 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 1: down their door to train with them. Come on now,

2038
01:36:15,120 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 1: all right? From alto reto one. What are your opinions

2039
01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: on Valentina equating ring girls to decorations? Did you see this? BC?

2040
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? So is this officially in response to Habib's comments

2041
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:33,120
Speaker 2: that that ring girls are like an outdated sexist thing?

2042
01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: So I believe so from the post fight press or

2043
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:38,760
Speaker 1: comments that she made on Saturday. So this was it.

2044
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:42,479
Speaker 2: So Valentino went full bore in support of Ring Girls.

2045
01:36:42,560 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: But I don't know if it's the English translation. The

2046
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: way in which she articulated that, Luke, it made it

2047
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:53,080
Speaker 2: seem like she was like, pro let's put women up.

2048
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 1: Pro objectification. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was weird.

2049
01:36:56,560 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 2: That's an interesting hill to try to die on. I mean,

2050
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 2: what what Valentine is trying to say is that women

2051
01:37:02,240 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 2: in this role have been there for a long time

2052
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 2: and they play a key role, so let's not trash them.

2053
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,760
Speaker 2: Because I'm a woman too and I support women. And

2054
01:37:08,840 --> 01:37:11,080
Speaker 2: if it was delivered like that, I'd be like yeah,

2055
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,600
Speaker 2: But it almost sounds like she's accidentally saying, yeah, this

2056
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:18,880
Speaker 2: is what we've done forever objectified women's bodies. Let's keep

2057
01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 2: doing it, right.

2058
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that like, first of all, I

2059
01:37:23,720 --> 01:37:26,639
Speaker 1: remember she spent nearly a decade in Latin America. Getting

2060
01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 1: used to women being objectified is like, I'm not saying

2061
01:37:30,360 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: it's a good thing, but that is just how life

2062
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,840
Speaker 1: is down there at the present moment, and it's everywhere, everywhere,

2063
01:37:35,920 --> 01:37:40,880
Speaker 1: it is deeply embedded across multiple nations there the gentrification

2064
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: of women, so like partly you just kind of get

2065
01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:45,599
Speaker 1: used to it. Also even here, Like you know, dude,

2066
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:48,080
Speaker 1: how many times have you been to like you know,

2067
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 1: I had a friend by the way, who was a

2068
01:37:50,360 --> 01:37:53,080
Speaker 1: manager for like a not a big famous club in NYC,

2069
01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: but a decent one, right, like a pretty good one,

2070
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,439
Speaker 1: And he was telling me, like, they make sure they

2071
01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:00,559
Speaker 1: hire in terms of women, the best looking on they can,

2072
01:38:00,680 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: because it just creates for a better atmosphere, whether or

2073
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:04,680
Speaker 1: not that's a good thing or a bad thing. And

2074
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 1: in many cases it can be something that you know,

2075
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,679
Speaker 1: you can you can rightly criticize, you know, it's partly

2076
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,880
Speaker 1: the way the world works to a degree, whether that's

2077
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,920
Speaker 1: fair or not. The thing I would say, though, I

2078
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:18,560
Speaker 1: always find this like a weird defense of like of

2079
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: ring girls. It's like, dude, like, clearly you don't need them, right,

2080
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:23,160
Speaker 1: Like you don't like this is be honest about it,

2081
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,880
Speaker 1: Like in terms of the service of you know, wrapping around,

2082
01:38:25,960 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: like it's the third round, Like you don't need that

2083
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:30,720
Speaker 1: in any capacity whatsoever. So the way in which that

2084
01:38:30,760 --> 01:38:33,439
Speaker 1: they justify their existence is that one it's a long

2085
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 1: standing practice. Two people seem to like them on an

2086
01:38:35,560 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 1: individual level, and then three, this was the big one,

2087
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,360
Speaker 1: they become brand ambassadors. That that's sort of partly the

2088
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,640
Speaker 1: whole thing here is that we do media tours and

2089
01:38:43,720 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 1: we greet fans and like we're all part of the

2090
01:38:46,360 --> 01:38:48,320
Speaker 1: UFC family. Which fine, if that's the way they want

2091
01:38:48,360 --> 01:38:49,680
Speaker 1: to do business. I don't have an issue with it.

2092
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: But just being like, oh people like pretty women, it's like,

2093
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:59,559
Speaker 1: well yes, but like even the ring girls are telling

2094
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 1: you that's not really the full totality of the ring

2095
01:39:03,040 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 1: girl experience. So it's it's a very interesting way of

2096
01:39:07,120 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 1: justifying it that way.

2097
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 2: And in look, the counter to that, of course, is like,

2098
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 2: well what about NFL cheerleaders with low cut and dancing,

2099
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,800
Speaker 2: or or the dancers at the NBA Games and on timeouts, Luke,

2100
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:20,599
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of all related in that regard, right,

2101
01:39:20,680 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: so it's either all or nothing on me.

2102
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:24,080
Speaker 1: The one thing that Valentina said is something that people

2103
01:39:24,120 --> 01:39:25,800
Speaker 1: should just wrap their heads around a little bit. And

2104
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 1: again I'm not you know, forty two year old white

2105
01:39:28,600 --> 01:39:30,960
Speaker 1: guy says, get over it. That's not what I'm trying

2106
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,120
Speaker 1: to do. What what I am trying to say is like,

2107
01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,639
Speaker 1: I've lived long enough. You've lived long enough to know, dude,

2108
01:39:36,400 --> 01:39:42,320
Speaker 1: who likes pretty women? Everybody? Everybody likes them. Everybody likes

2109
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: them everywhere you go. That's just a that's just a

2110
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:47,720
Speaker 1: fact of That's been a fact of my life as

2111
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: long as I've lived in Now, what you're supposed to

2112
01:39:49,320 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 1: do about that? Hey, we can have a great debate,

2113
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:55,800
Speaker 1: but you know, I understand why that kind of thing

2114
01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,760
Speaker 1: is in demand, and I understand why people want to

2115
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,479
Speaker 1: be next to it, and I understand and that it's

2116
01:40:01,560 --> 01:40:04,400
Speaker 1: a thing that people like. So I don't think that

2117
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,560
Speaker 1: should be the sum total of someone's existence. Obviously that

2118
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:10,639
Speaker 1: would be terrible. But you know, pretty women are visible

2119
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:12,880
Speaker 1: for a reason because people thrust them to the front

2120
01:40:12,920 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: of everything they do, all right, from the last word, Yes, yes,

2121
01:40:16,880 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 1: Luca h thrust of course at bedside rumble. That's like

2122
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:22,600
Speaker 1: me when I have to fart in the bed, I

2123
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:23,840
Speaker 1: just kind of lean out the side.

2124
01:40:25,680 --> 01:40:26,280
Speaker 2: Is it true?

2125
01:40:27,439 --> 01:40:30,600
Speaker 1: Is it true that VC smells like cabbage and baloney. No,

2126
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: it's not cabbage and baloney. It's fentanyl and baloney. And

2127
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,840
Speaker 1: it's only that drug rug.

2128
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that drug rug?

2129
01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:39,040
Speaker 1: People?

2130
01:40:39,120 --> 01:40:40,720
Speaker 2: By the way, a lot of people saying, hey, if

2131
01:40:40,760 --> 01:40:43,080
Speaker 2: you put an MK logo on that, I'd scoop that

2132
01:40:43,200 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 2: shit up.

2133
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Oh yeah, of course.

2134
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,080
Speaker 2: Look, would you wear an MK drug rug?

2135
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:53,280
Speaker 1: Yes? Or no? M to like the grocery store. Yes.

2136
01:40:55,439 --> 01:41:00,800
Speaker 2: No, Well, to answer your question, BC smells like, you know,

2137
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:06,640
Speaker 2: probably like old spice deodorant and uh like like a

2138
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,920
Speaker 2: like a like a not real bo but like a

2139
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:12,720
Speaker 2: quarter amount coffee breath mixed with like just a little bio. Right,

2140
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 2: that's probably like.

2141
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: How many times here's the real question, when you were

2142
01:41:15,439 --> 01:41:18,799
Speaker 1: at your dirt bag worst, Oh god, how many times

2143
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,360
Speaker 1: did you for breeze your way through things you should

2144
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:22,920
Speaker 1: not have for breezed your way through?

2145
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 2: Yeah? Look, I remember one time a girlfriend was like

2146
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:31,360
Speaker 2: made a mention of like washing the sheets of their

2147
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:34,880
Speaker 2: bed every week. I was like every week, how about

2148
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 2: twice a year on this end. That's when you know

2149
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,040
Speaker 2: you're like a twenty two year old dirt bag living

2150
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:41,719
Speaker 2: in a dirt bag apartment, when you're like, oh, twice

2151
01:41:41,720 --> 01:41:43,800
Speaker 2: a year is not the relative like the recommended uh

2152
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 2: recommended them out? Okay, all right, got it? You would

2153
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 2: only change your You only wash your sheets if like

2154
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,080
Speaker 2: some if like there was like a blood stain or

2155
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 2: you spilled like bung water on it.

2156
01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Right, I mean that's basically yeah, basically, I'll just say this.

2157
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,280
Speaker 1: I knew a girl in co and this is just

2158
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: the most filthy thing ever. She would wash your sheets

2159
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,759
Speaker 1: once a semester, once a semester.

2160
01:42:09,120 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 2: Oh god, Luke, can.

2161
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:16,599
Speaker 1: You can you imagine just the butt grease and everything

2162
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:19,800
Speaker 1: else that just stained those sheets to the worst degree

2163
01:42:19,840 --> 01:42:22,200
Speaker 1: imaginable'd be pretty bad. All right?

2164
01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:26,160
Speaker 2: You wait, wait, real quick, real quick? Do you do

2165
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:28,360
Speaker 2: you employ the twenty four hour rule on a pair

2166
01:42:28,400 --> 01:42:30,800
Speaker 2: of underwear as long as you haven't as long as

2167
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,759
Speaker 2: you haven't worked out or overly sweat, Luke.

2168
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,639
Speaker 1: Oh, twenty four hour more like seventy two. Bitch. I'm

2169
01:42:35,680 --> 01:42:38,920
Speaker 1: fucking I'm just cruising. I'm cruising in those pampers. I'm

2170
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 1: like my daughter. It's amazing.

2171
01:42:40,479 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can show the fabric tears. They're still good.

2172
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:46,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, well that in mind, BC, it's

2173
01:42:46,680 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 1: time to watch elder abuse.

2174
01:42:48,320 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that shit, let's transition to the highs

2175
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 2: and lows, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the

2176
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,120
Speaker 2: in between. Luke and Combat Sports and beyond. We call

2177
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 2: this have you seen this shit.

2178
01:42:59,600 --> 01:42:59,760
Speaker 1: All?

2179
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:04,720
Speaker 2: An award winning segment, Luke. We start out UFC two

2180
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 2: six six from Las Vegas. Luke, did you see on

2181
01:43:07,479 --> 01:43:13,040
Speaker 2: this undercard welterweight Matt Semelsberger needing just one punch to

2182
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:16,960
Speaker 2: send Martine Sano Junior to the deep dark ones? Luke,

2183
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 2: Look at this.

2184
01:43:18,080 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Semelsberger is from this neck of the woods. He's from Rockville,

2185
01:43:21,240 --> 01:43:22,960
Speaker 1: which is not far outside to see at all.

2186
01:43:23,240 --> 01:43:25,120
Speaker 2: Oh whoa look at the backflip. You like that?

2187
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:28,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Duke can punch his he can. He can

2188
01:43:28,439 --> 01:43:30,680
Speaker 1: thump man. By the way, I'm not like bagging on

2189
01:43:30,760 --> 01:43:32,840
Speaker 1: the UFC for making this. I don't know exactly the

2190
01:43:32,920 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: terms of how this fight came around, but like after

2191
01:43:35,080 --> 01:43:37,920
Speaker 1: the fact, this other guy was out for like four years.

2192
01:43:38,040 --> 01:43:40,000
Speaker 1: This was a mismatch. They should not have put this together.

2193
01:43:40,040 --> 01:43:42,280
Speaker 2: It looked a lot like Lawler Diaz too. Got you

2194
01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 2: on that one, all right, Luke. Let's see the celebration

2195
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,880
Speaker 2: from the champion, Alexander Volkanowski doing it Aussie style with

2196
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,360
Speaker 2: the shoey. But Luke, he's doing it out of a

2197
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 2: slide like a flip flop. Basically, is that manly? Did

2198
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:55,760
Speaker 2: he get it? Right?

2199
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:57,640
Speaker 1: That wasn't the only Here's the thing. If that was

2200
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,920
Speaker 1: the only one he did, it would not have been manly.

2201
01:44:00,680 --> 01:44:03,479
Speaker 1: But he did it also with a shoe at the podium,

2202
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: So I'll give him credit and say this is just

2203
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:07,240
Speaker 1: a bonus shoey dooey.

2204
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:12,720
Speaker 2: Let's bang right, Yeah, Yeah, what do you think that

2205
01:44:12,840 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 2: guy Hi May or Jamie whatever his name is, the

2206
01:44:15,400 --> 01:44:17,120
Speaker 2: guy that we drank out of his shoe? Where do

2207
01:44:17,160 --> 01:44:22,120
Speaker 2: you think those shoes are today? Because if he still

2208
01:44:22,240 --> 01:44:25,680
Speaker 2: has them, I would be willing to buy them and

2209
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 2: autograph them and put them on our new studio that

2210
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:30,639
Speaker 2: that we're designing for Jersey City.

2211
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Luke, what do what do coroners do with the clothes

2212
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: that show up on dead bodies?

2213
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 2: They wear them home, obviously, Luke, Come on, Yeah, that's

2214
01:44:39,240 --> 01:44:41,040
Speaker 2: where the shoes are. Like, is that a large I

2215
01:44:41,080 --> 01:44:43,800
Speaker 2: can fit into that one? Yeah? This this shirt is

2216
01:44:43,840 --> 01:44:46,400
Speaker 2: so nice. Somebody was dying to wear it. Yeah, all right,

2217
01:44:46,479 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 2: let's keep it going. Let's check out this celebration sister

2218
01:44:50,160 --> 01:44:55,000
Speaker 2: Antonina Luke posting team Chefchenko with Brandon Moreno President. But look,

2219
01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,560
Speaker 2: I'm not looking at the sisters here. Check out the

2220
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:02,040
Speaker 2: guy in the purple cravat, sure, Luke. This guy listens

2221
01:45:02,080 --> 01:45:05,559
Speaker 2: to Jethro Tull and probably drinks some really old whiskey

2222
01:45:05,680 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 2: and does lines. If I'm hanging out with one guy

2223
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:10,760
Speaker 2: and team jeff Chenko, it's it's this guy over here

2224
01:45:10,840 --> 01:45:11,400
Speaker 2: on the right. You.

2225
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a this is a smoke on the water.

2226
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:17,759
Speaker 1: This is what happens when Grimace from McDonald's gets a haircut.

2227
01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 2: That guy, Luke, I love that guy. But shout off

2228
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,240
Speaker 2: to Brenda Moreno joining this team, Luke.

2229
01:45:25,280 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: But look at Valentina's coach, Pavel Fetisov or whatever his name.

2230
01:45:28,439 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 1: He's just looking like, you know, hey, sir, your uh,

2231
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:34,080
Speaker 1: your your order will be ready in fifteen minutes here

2232
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:37,840
Speaker 1: at the drive through. I mean, he couldn't be less blessed, Luke,

2233
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 1: life depended on it.

2234
01:45:39,240 --> 01:45:41,680
Speaker 2: You think your coach would take a bullet for you? Okay, No,

2235
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:43,719
Speaker 2: all right, this guy would this guy.

2236
01:45:43,600 --> 01:45:45,600
Speaker 1: Would quite literally he proved it.

2237
01:45:45,720 --> 01:45:48,880
Speaker 2: Okay, speaking of Chef Chenko, Luke, you know what, we're

2238
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 2: here to see the celebratory dance, Luke, I love that

2239
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:55,519
Speaker 2: First she kind of just stood over Lauren Murphy like,

2240
01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 2: look at me, I'm a badass. Are you noticing? And

2241
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:01,280
Speaker 2: of course we get the dance after. Are you noticing

2242
01:46:01,320 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 2: that she's starting to kind of carry a little bit

2243
01:46:03,920 --> 01:46:05,200
Speaker 2: more swagger these days?

2244
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:09,360
Speaker 1: Und it's beginning to dawn on her if it, you know,

2245
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:12,479
Speaker 1: in a big way that like, you know, she can't

2246
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,920
Speaker 1: coast her way to victory, but if she trains like

2247
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: she has been, she's gonna be wearing that belt for

2248
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:18,920
Speaker 1: a long time.

2249
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 2: Fame hasn't gone to her head in like a I

2250
01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:24,800
Speaker 2: hate to say it, like a Joanna way, and and

2251
01:46:24,920 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 2: maybe that's the key to her you know, long term

2252
01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:30,000
Speaker 2: success here. But as long as she doesn't changed this dance, Luke,

2253
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 2: this is this is I mean this in Tito or

2254
01:46:31,800 --> 01:46:34,800
Speaker 2: Chi's you know, doing the grave thing are the two

2255
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:38,600
Speaker 2: iconic dances of our era, of our lifetimes, right, misses.

2256
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: T'es does a dance or more just a routine?

2257
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, got it? Okay, Luke, let's keep

2258
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:50,160
Speaker 2: it going. Speaking of celebratory dances, there's Valentina. What do

2259
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,000
Speaker 2: you think of morob duil a Shili? Luke with coach

2260
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:54,519
Speaker 2: of Matt Sarah here in the locker room.

2261
01:46:54,720 --> 01:46:59,120
Speaker 1: Check this shit out, bro, I gotta tell you these

2262
01:46:59,200 --> 01:47:01,800
Speaker 1: guys who chuck minenhole is talking about these donks with

2263
01:47:01,920 --> 01:47:04,360
Speaker 1: the furry hats that they wear after the facts, Yeah,

2264
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 1: because he not. He doesn't have one here. He's got

2265
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: like you know, you give he delivers newspapers and.

2266
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 2: They chuck's hat on. Basically he's got a mit that.

2267
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but when he had the normal one on from

2268
01:47:13,400 --> 01:47:16,880
Speaker 1: from Georgia. Bro, those guys are the toughest motherfuckers around.

2269
01:47:17,400 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: This dude, is another level of fucking determined.

2270
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,240
Speaker 2: Straight from the Schmesh factory to your living room.

2271
01:47:23,280 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 1: What a victory.

2272
01:47:24,040 --> 01:47:25,639
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're gonna have more on that in your

2273
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:30,120
Speaker 2: post fight, post show post post. All right, Luke, let's

2274
01:47:30,200 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 2: keep it going, Luke. I know all Canadians don't look alike,

2275
01:47:32,880 --> 01:47:35,200
Speaker 2: that'd be a stereotype. But why is GSP dressing like

2276
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 2: Aaron brodstead of these days?

2277
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 1: Dude?

2278
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 2: What's going on here?

2279
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:40,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't know. I also don't love the haircut, Candily.

2280
01:47:40,560 --> 01:47:42,360
Speaker 1: I mean, my hair is just you know, falling out

2281
01:47:42,400 --> 01:47:44,600
Speaker 1: like it's on fire at this point. But so I

2282
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:46,479
Speaker 1: can't critique. But I don't know. I don't love. I

2283
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: don't love the little wave curl at the front.

2284
01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:52,040
Speaker 2: GSP, can you turn back into a badass please? Thank

2285
01:47:52,080 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 2: you very much? All right, Luke, there was so much

2286
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 2: real recognizing reel this weekend in the fight game that

2287
01:47:57,880 --> 01:48:00,400
Speaker 2: I had have put together a super post check out

2288
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:04,720
Speaker 2: Tayo Femo Junior and Jorge Mosvidal at UFC two sixty six.

2289
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:08,760
Speaker 1: Your thoughts, hey to two Latin gangsters if there ever

2290
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:09,479
Speaker 1: was any.

2291
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,360
Speaker 2: That's not talking about. Speaking of GSP, there was a

2292
01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:15,040
Speaker 2: little real on real action in the locker room when

2293
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,439
Speaker 2: when former opponent Nick Diez came up in a little

2294
01:48:17,439 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 2: bit of respect between the two. Cautious respect, though, Luke.

2295
01:48:20,760 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 1: No, it's respect there. Look. GSP gave him the wink

2296
01:48:24,160 --> 01:48:26,640
Speaker 1: and he gave him the two handed shake. You know

2297
01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:27,080
Speaker 1: what I mean?

2298
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:27,479
Speaker 2: Okay?

2299
01:48:27,600 --> 01:48:29,400
Speaker 1: And I never know exactly what that means, but I

2300
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,719
Speaker 1: feel like for GSP it's like ultimate respect.

2301
01:48:31,880 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 2: No, I know, Okay, you could read it as that.

2302
01:48:33,720 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 2: I read it as GSP saying, you're crazier than anyone

2303
01:48:37,040 --> 01:48:39,240
Speaker 2: I've ever fought. So just so you know, there's no

2304
01:48:39,439 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 2: lingering beef between us, that's what he's saying.

2305
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:43,240
Speaker 1: Right there, Luke, Maybe maybe that's true.

2306
01:48:43,320 --> 01:48:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, have you ever run into the bar

2307
01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,479
Speaker 2: like you bumped into somebody in like your local bar,

2308
01:48:47,640 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 2: like oh, I went to high school with that?

2309
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:49,120
Speaker 1: Yoh?

2310
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:52,880
Speaker 2: Probably like you overly like hog or two handed shake.

2311
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 2: Just so you know, guy, I respect your craziness.

2312
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 1: Right, Dude. If I see people I went to college

2313
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:59,960
Speaker 1: with much less high school, I walk the other way.

2314
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 2: Look, you should boast, you should be like, look at

2315
01:49:04,080 --> 01:49:04,280
Speaker 2: me now.

2316
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:07,559
Speaker 1: No, I'm not trying to have awkward conversations. Hey, how

2317
01:49:07,600 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: are things? But I don't give a fuck about your life.

2318
01:49:09,720 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 2: A real, recognizing real Luke. This was before Usik's victory

2319
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 2: over Joshua. Him and Ukrainian amateur teammate Vassili Lomachenko did

2320
01:49:18,880 --> 01:49:20,720
Speaker 2: a little tip on tip action. But Luke, do you

2321
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:22,679
Speaker 2: know what the internet's really talking about? Can we zoom

2322
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 2: in with each the size of Lomachenko's baby feet, Luke,

2323
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 2: what's going on here?

2324
01:49:30,240 --> 01:49:33,120
Speaker 1: That has to be some kind of camera lens issues. No,

2325
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 1: this is how me and BC greet each other right here,

2326
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: That's what it looks like.

2327
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:40,680
Speaker 2: There's multiple pictures of Lomachenko in the locker room, and

2328
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 2: they all have these really really small feet, Luke. I mean,

2329
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 2: you know, he's not a tall man.

2330
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just got baby feet.

2331
01:49:48,200 --> 01:49:51,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, you think he has micro No, just

2332
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:54,920
Speaker 2: just stop that. Just he's got plenty of swagger and

2333
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 2: bde Luke, even if it's not true, Okay.

2334
01:49:57,200 --> 01:49:58,919
Speaker 1: Can just go the next live please.

2335
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 2: All right, Luke. Also in the parking lot before to

2336
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,160
Speaker 2: sixty six. Oh wait, sorry, this is in the cage,

2337
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:07,519
Speaker 2: Nick and Robbie embracing a little real on, real love fest.

2338
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:10,080
Speaker 2: This was good to see though. I liked this moment, Luke.

2339
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was nice. Old two old war horses, you know, uh,

2340
01:50:17,200 --> 01:50:19,519
Speaker 1: helping each other up, commending each other on battle.

2341
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:21,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, they had a lot of respect for

2342
01:50:21,320 --> 01:50:22,160
Speaker 2: each other afterwards.

2343
01:50:22,320 --> 01:50:22,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

2344
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,960
Speaker 2: In the parking lot, Luke, before two sixty six, two

2345
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,799
Speaker 2: Cali kids showing some love, Brian Ortega and Nate Diaz.

2346
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 1: I kind of popped for this, you Yeah. I love

2347
01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 1: the the flat brim hat, like a West Coast style

2348
01:50:36,680 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: of wearing hats that Ortega does. Plus he's got like

2349
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 1: the Chino pants and everything. He's very California, very California.

2350
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,280
Speaker 2: Oh I love it, I love it. Those are two

2351
01:50:46,360 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 2: Cali kids. How about two Ukrainian kids vitally clitch go

2352
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 2: or is he still the mayor of Kiev? Luke, I

2353
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,880
Speaker 2: don't know. But look at the hug he put on

2354
01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 2: Alexander usik As Ukraine wins on Saturday.

2355
01:50:58,160 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, he's fucking huge man.

2356
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like sixty seven.

2357
01:51:01,320 --> 01:51:04,520
Speaker 1: Bro, dude, he's a fucking large man. That's ridiculous.

2358
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:07,600
Speaker 2: No, Noka, he's Jack too, no question about it. That

2359
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,080
Speaker 2: wasn't the only love fest. Luke in l A a

2360
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,960
Speaker 2: week ago at an LA Chargers game, Connor McGregor and

2361
01:51:13,000 --> 01:51:15,200
Speaker 2: Sean O'Malley trading notes. Hare, what do you think they're

2362
01:51:15,240 --> 01:51:15,679
Speaker 2: talking about?

2363
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 1: Leg kicks?

2364
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:22,839
Speaker 2: I don't know, all right, drugs?

2365
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:24,800
Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait No, I like, I like,

2366
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,320
Speaker 1: I like sugar Sean a lot. I'm just teasing, but like, uh,

2367
01:51:27,960 --> 01:51:31,040
Speaker 1: who's the dude behind him? Look at that guy, he's

2368
01:51:31,080 --> 01:51:32,320
Speaker 1: like big boss man or something.

2369
01:51:32,400 --> 01:51:34,200
Speaker 2: Oh, you're right, he looks like a big show. Yeah

2370
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,080
Speaker 2: he's that's the bodyguard. Luke just in case anyone tries

2371
01:51:37,160 --> 01:51:38,080
Speaker 2: it with a UFC fire.

2372
01:51:38,120 --> 01:51:41,040
Speaker 1: The yellow he's because he's got Connor's cane, see him.

2373
01:51:41,439 --> 01:51:42,760
Speaker 2: Oh he's the cane man.

2374
01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:44,639
Speaker 1: Yes, he's got the he's the cane guy.

2375
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got his sugarcane. He's got his actual cane.

2376
01:51:47,320 --> 01:51:49,599
Speaker 2: He's got all that shit, all right, Luke, Look who

2377
01:51:49,600 --> 01:51:52,160
Speaker 2: had the best walkout mask over the weekend. Let's start

2378
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,439
Speaker 2: at two six six with t Moretaga. Yes.

2379
01:51:56,479 --> 01:52:00,160
Speaker 1: The problem with this is I definitely appreciate the theatrics. Like,

2380
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:02,720
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, anybody who tries to do something

2381
01:52:02,720 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: a little bit different than the standard walk out you

2382
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:06,680
Speaker 1: get thumbs up in my book, So I give a

2383
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:09,400
Speaker 1: thumbs up BC. But here's the problem. Do you remember

2384
01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,080
Speaker 1: the band I'm not even sure if it's still around,

2385
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,200
Speaker 1: but they were kind of big in the aughts for

2386
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:18,240
Speaker 1: a little while. Mushroom Head. No. They would wear masks

2387
01:52:18,320 --> 01:52:20,800
Speaker 1: that were black with white blacked out eyes like this,

2388
01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,680
Speaker 1: and then big drawn in white teeth. They look like

2389
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 1: the band mushroom Head when they did this. It's really weird.

2390
01:52:26,520 --> 01:52:29,639
Speaker 2: Got a mushroom Head. It's better than the rest, Green too,

2391
01:52:29,720 --> 01:52:34,479
Speaker 2: red okay, uh, Luke, the one we're comparing this against

2392
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:37,800
Speaker 2: is Alexander Usik walking out in front of sixty eight

2393
01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,400
Speaker 2: thousand strong with like a space helmet on? Did you

2394
01:52:40,479 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 2: dig this?

2395
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: Don't know what it means other than he looks like

2396
01:52:44,400 --> 01:52:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, daft Punk has been in the gym, But uh, dude,

2397
01:52:48,040 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 1: Usik's fucking weird, so let him be weird.

2398
01:52:50,600 --> 01:52:53,080
Speaker 2: Yo, here's what's cool about it. And I'm glad that

2399
01:52:53,600 --> 01:52:55,680
Speaker 2: more than just hardcore boxing fans are getting to know

2400
01:52:55,800 --> 01:52:58,960
Speaker 2: him now. He's weird, he's hilarious. He's also a really

2401
01:52:59,080 --> 01:53:01,719
Speaker 2: good like family man behind the scenes. Like, I couldn't

2402
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:03,240
Speaker 2: vouch for this guy anymore. He's my hero.

2403
01:53:03,439 --> 01:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, did they say he didn't see his kids

2404
01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:07,880
Speaker 1: because he was training for six months?

2405
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:10,479
Speaker 2: Yes? I believe they still live in Ukraine. He trains

2406
01:53:10,479 --> 01:53:11,200
Speaker 2: in California.

2407
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I mean that's that's dude. I can't

2408
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,719
Speaker 1: I don't imagine. I don't know what a scenario would

2409
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: be for me where I would be able to like

2410
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:22,960
Speaker 1: live with not seeing my daughter for six months. Like

2411
01:53:23,040 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 1: that's yeah, that's crazy, that's wild.

2412
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Luke, we had some real boxing Friday night showbox

2413
01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:31,560
Speaker 2: at Broken Arrow, Oklahoma. They put a ring in the

2414
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,760
Speaker 2: actual downtown street and we got an upset in the

2415
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:38,840
Speaker 2: main event bantam waite Saoul Sanchez put it on Jeriko

2416
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 2: O'Quinn and I think we got a little knockdown action

2417
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:44,840
Speaker 2: here early on in round one. But it was a

2418
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 2: good match, good match making as always on Showbox, the

2419
01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 2: new generation, the next generation, and this was a upset

2420
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:53,320
Speaker 2: win and Luke. It was also a little bit of

2421
01:53:53,360 --> 01:53:57,200
Speaker 2: a reunion Barry Tompkins and Al Bernstein coming back together

2422
01:53:57,320 --> 01:53:59,439
Speaker 2: the pear of Hall of Famers, Luke, they were the

2423
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,400
Speaker 2: guys if you forget, they did top ring boxing for

2424
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,479
Speaker 2: ESPN in the eighties and into the early nineties. They

2425
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,360
Speaker 2: were always my favorite pairing together because you never knew

2426
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:10,160
Speaker 2: who was the color guy and who was the play

2427
01:54:10,200 --> 01:54:11,599
Speaker 2: by play guy. They were just sort of like two

2428
01:54:11,680 --> 01:54:12,840
Speaker 2: donks going at it. I loved it.

2429
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought the free flow ones are the best

2430
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,120
Speaker 1: ones for sure. Shots of those legends And dude, this

2431
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:20,040
Speaker 1: guy fucking put it on him. It looks good.

2432
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:22,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he did. There was no doubt afterwards, Luke.

2433
01:54:22,560 --> 01:54:25,280
Speaker 2: Great performance there from the bantamweight. Luke, I don't have

2434
01:54:25,400 --> 01:54:28,760
Speaker 2: highlights like I thought I did of Callum Smith. Moving

2435
01:54:28,840 --> 01:54:32,040
Speaker 2: up to light heavyweight and destroying Lenning Castillo on that

2436
01:54:32,280 --> 01:54:36,560
Speaker 2: Dessonne undercard, maybe because Castillos came off on a stretcher afterwards.

2437
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:39,000
Speaker 2: But he is deemed okay, Luke, which is good to hear.

2438
01:54:39,400 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 2: Let's keep it going. Here's some fake fighting, Luke. Did

2439
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 2: you see aw rampage Friday night at Arthur ash Stadium

2440
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 2: in New York at t American Top Team continued their

2441
01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 2: Invasion angle and you had Mosvidol given it to Chris

2442
01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:57,800
Speaker 2: Jericho Ben Askrin's style, Luke, the crowd though I don't

2443
01:54:57,800 --> 01:54:59,640
Speaker 2: think they were MMA fans, they didn't pop for this.

2444
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:03,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, needed did?

2445
01:55:03,240 --> 01:55:06,760
Speaker 2: I all right? All right? Uh? It wasn't bad though.

2446
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 2: Paige van Zant was part of the extended team Arlovsky

2447
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:13,720
Speaker 2: JDS and obviously Dan Lambert has been, you know, the

2448
01:55:13,840 --> 01:55:16,800
Speaker 2: mouthpiece for this and he's incredible. There's a real wrestler there,

2449
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:18,680
Speaker 2: Ethan Page. I know you don't care, Luke, so I'll

2450
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:21,480
Speaker 2: just keep going. Wow, Wow, Luke, look at that? Did

2451
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 2: he just blade right in front of us? Is that

2452
01:55:23,360 --> 01:55:25,920
Speaker 2: a blade job? Look?

2453
01:55:26,000 --> 01:55:28,640
Speaker 1: I still pro wrestling is silly. I mean, I don't

2454
01:55:28,640 --> 01:55:29,400
Speaker 1: know what else to say.

2455
01:55:29,320 --> 01:55:31,120
Speaker 2: But Luke, do you still like me. Do you still

2456
01:55:31,160 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 2: pop for blade jobs? Do you still pop for the

2457
01:55:33,480 --> 01:55:37,000
Speaker 2: old school theater, that is, keeping a razor blade slightly

2458
01:55:37,040 --> 01:55:39,760
Speaker 2: obscured in like your wristband tape and then cutting your

2459
01:55:39,840 --> 01:55:41,680
Speaker 2: forehead open to make it feel like a real fight.

2460
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:43,760
Speaker 2: I pop for that grimy shit.

2461
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: Luke, I know I no longer do because I now

2462
01:55:46,880 --> 01:55:50,280
Speaker 1: use manscaped products. I used to pop for the razor blades,

2463
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:52,840
Speaker 1: but now I just used the lawnmower four point zero.

2464
01:55:53,400 --> 01:55:56,280
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, there was some crazy Horse Bennett

2465
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:59,880
Speaker 2: Mma highlights on the timeline, so I grab this memorable one.

2466
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:03,000
Speaker 2: I forget what fight, what year, what opponent, what this was,

2467
01:56:03,440 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 2: But Luke, is there any better highlight ever than this?

2468
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:07,520
Speaker 2: Remember we showed the one of that Japanese guy last

2469
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 2: week slamming the guy on his face. This has to

2470
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:11,640
Speaker 2: be the greatest highlight of all time here, right?

2471
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:13,840
Speaker 1: And he had him dead to rights too. He was

2472
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,640
Speaker 1: had the kamora. He tried to step over the head

2473
01:56:15,640 --> 01:56:17,120
Speaker 1: for it and switch to the armbar and then got

2474
01:56:17,200 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of lazy with the positioning. And Horse, yeah, crazy

2475
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:26,560
Speaker 1: Horse Bach whatever else. His is his limits. He's always

2476
01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:31,200
Speaker 1: been super athletic, super strong, look.

2477
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:33,240
Speaker 2: You can still find him in BKFC if you're looking

2478
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 2: for him.

2479
01:56:33,600 --> 01:56:37,880
Speaker 1: Luke, I'm not, but I can respect. I can respect,

2480
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 1: you know. I remember when he was active in Do

2481
01:56:40,200 --> 01:56:42,320
Speaker 1: you remember when the first Elite XC show happened. If

2482
01:56:42,320 --> 01:56:45,120
Speaker 1: you don't remember, I remember this. He fought kJ Noons

2483
01:56:45,160 --> 01:56:47,040
Speaker 1: and Neons was expected to run over him and he

2484
01:56:47,120 --> 01:56:50,680
Speaker 1: got fucking demolished by this guy. So you know he's

2485
01:56:50,720 --> 01:56:52,760
Speaker 1: had some big He's had some decent moments in MMA.

2486
01:56:53,080 --> 01:56:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. Loved me some crazy horse Bennet.

2487
01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:58,080
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, let's check out some real hungry, hungry hippos.

2488
01:56:58,120 --> 01:57:00,800
Speaker 2: Are you Are you as entertained by this as I was?

2489
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,560
Speaker 1: They put the I love that you're showing me this

2490
01:57:03,760 --> 01:57:07,640
Speaker 1: because I'm not kidding. This is my favorite type of

2491
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:11,960
Speaker 1: video for my daughter to watch. Okay, okay, I love

2492
01:57:12,160 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 1: the hippos eating the watermelon.

2493
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 2: I mean they just half the watermelon comes flying out.

2494
01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,440
Speaker 2: It's like me trying to eat with my eye jumping out.

2495
01:57:18,520 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 1: Luke. Yeah, they don't look like Eggshen from Big Trouble

2496
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 1: in Little China, but they they got some strong as.

2497
01:57:26,480 --> 01:57:29,160
Speaker 2: Are the violent, because Luke, they would they would f

2498
01:57:29,280 --> 01:57:30,400
Speaker 2: your ship up. Are they violent?

2499
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Dude? Hip male hippos are incredibly violent. They account for

2500
01:57:34,640 --> 01:57:36,760
Speaker 1: a lot of deaths in parts of Africa where they're

2501
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 1: uh there. They take over certain bodies of water. Michael Crichton,

2502
01:57:42,000 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 1: the famous author, wrote about them in one of his

2503
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,040
Speaker 1: fictional books. But what he wrote about them was quite true.

2504
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,760
Speaker 1: They're in there, dude. You do not fuck with male hippos,

2505
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:53,520
Speaker 1: especially like during like breeding moments or seasons or whatever.

2506
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:56,760
Speaker 1: They will wreck your ship. They'll attack boats, they'll kill

2507
01:57:56,840 --> 01:57:58,720
Speaker 1: people like they're they're fucking savages.

2508
01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 2: I did learn a move and Mike Tyson's punch out

2509
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:02,760
Speaker 2: to get around them, though, You just kind of you

2510
01:58:02,800 --> 01:58:03,720
Speaker 2: gotta dip your head.

2511
01:58:04,840 --> 01:58:07,280
Speaker 1: Yeah didn't. Didn't king Hippo lose because you had to

2512
01:58:07,320 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: do body work on him?

2513
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, he didn't. He didn't take it well at

2514
01:58:10,320 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 2: the bread basket there, all right, Luke. Check out this

2515
01:58:12,520 --> 01:58:17,080
Speaker 2: tweet from from a former Bellator star, David Caveman Rickles,

2516
01:58:17,640 --> 01:58:23,240
Speaker 2: who was tweeting at Julian Lane, the infamous famous X

2517
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:26,160
Speaker 2: Tough fighter with the UFC. Do we have the tweet here?

2518
01:58:26,240 --> 01:58:27,080
Speaker 1: This is just a poster?

2519
01:58:28,480 --> 01:58:33,360
Speaker 2: Can we zoom in on this ship? Rickles is like, Hey, Twey,

2520
01:58:35,600 --> 01:58:36,720
Speaker 2: we shall bang, bro.

2521
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:41,440
Speaker 1: And Luke Isaac Valley Flag glad you guys are banging.

2522
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Valley Flag's response is better. It's probably better

2523
01:58:46,600 --> 01:58:49,400
Speaker 2: than the original tweet. But uh, you know I'm popping

2524
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,160
Speaker 2: for this, Luke, Is there any way I could get

2525
01:58:51,200 --> 01:58:54,000
Speaker 2: you to watch this fight? BKFC Wichita.

2526
01:58:55,080 --> 01:58:55,520
Speaker 1: Probably not.

2527
01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:59,240
Speaker 2: No, Okay, they're gonna bang regardless, Luke. Okay, Greg Hardy,

2528
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 2: they would love this. All right, let's move on here.

2529
01:59:02,160 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 2: Let's go over to rate that tat if we can gaff.

2530
01:59:06,040 --> 01:59:07,840
Speaker 2: Let's start off with this. We got a zoom in. Luke,

2531
01:59:07,880 --> 01:59:10,000
Speaker 2: you sent this to me, and this is not mister

2532
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,360
Speaker 2: heboss level. I think it might be next level. What

2533
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 2: are your thoughts on rate this tat?

2534
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:18,000
Speaker 1: Some of these tats are difficult to do, but most

2535
01:59:18,040 --> 01:59:20,880
Speaker 1: of these portrait works are pretty good. The Rogan is

2536
01:59:21,040 --> 01:59:24,440
Speaker 1: very good if you look down at the calf, sort

2537
01:59:24,480 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 1: of like tib Area. The Demetrius Johnson there is pretty good.

2538
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:33,920
Speaker 1: The one with George Sampierre and Bisping is not as good,

2539
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,960
Speaker 1: but that's much harder to do. But these are pretty good.

2540
01:59:36,960 --> 01:59:37,680
Speaker 1: These are pretty good.

2541
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,200
Speaker 2: Okay, you give it like a seven out of ten.

2542
01:59:40,920 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, eight in most cases. By the way, we have

2543
01:59:44,680 --> 01:59:46,720
Speaker 1: another tattoo. Did you see the feed there from Corey?

2544
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I responded, Luke, rate that tat pfl's Clay Collard.

2545
01:59:52,120 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 2: He went all kinds of MK and I'm not talking

2546
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:58,160
Speaker 2: about Morning Combat. He went Mortal Kombat. Let's check out

2547
01:59:58,200 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 2: this array of tats and you give me your thoughts.

2548
02:00:02,760 --> 02:00:06,000
Speaker 1: The raidin is not great. It's actually it's actually pretty bad.

2549
02:00:09,360 --> 02:00:15,000
Speaker 1: You know what these are. They're not great, They're not great, unfortunately.

2550
02:00:15,080 --> 02:00:15,680
Speaker 1: I hate to say that.

2551
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 2: See, I thought that Raydon was pretty cool.

2552
02:00:17,480 --> 02:00:19,200
Speaker 1: I'd get that on my arm, Luke, Dude, look at

2553
02:00:19,240 --> 02:00:21,200
Speaker 1: the line of work on the hat. It's a it's

2554
02:00:21,240 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 1: a mess.

2555
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:24,040
Speaker 2: I like it, actually, I suppose. See. I'm a big

2556
02:00:24,120 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 2: Risen fan, so I support all Asian martial arts. I

2557
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:27,280
Speaker 2: would beat down with you click.

2558
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:29,160
Speaker 1: I mean, let's be clear with this. Clay Collared is

2559
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:31,320
Speaker 1: the man, and it doesn't matter what tattoos he has.

2560
02:00:31,400 --> 02:00:34,240
Speaker 1: He's the man. But these are not He's not my favorite.

2561
02:00:34,240 --> 02:00:36,080
Speaker 1: If I could just be candid with you, all right.

2562
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:39,760
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, speaking of tattoos on fingers, breaking news, Tyron

2563
02:00:39,800 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 2: Woodley did get the Jake Paul tattoo Luke, and he

2564
02:00:43,200 --> 02:00:45,920
Speaker 2: put it on his flipper. Your thoughts.

2565
02:00:48,120 --> 02:00:52,200
Speaker 1: I don't understand this tattoo. I get the middle finger thing,

2566
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:53,840
Speaker 1: but it's on the inside of the middle finger, not

2567
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 1: the outside.

2568
02:00:54,800 --> 02:00:55,920
Speaker 2: Please tell me it's not real.

2569
02:00:56,080 --> 02:00:58,360
Speaker 1: Please it's real, because you can see that's it's got

2570
02:00:58,440 --> 02:01:01,160
Speaker 1: a sort of a purply orange around the letters. Blow up.

2571
02:01:01,160 --> 02:01:02,480
Speaker 1: Blow up the letters here for a second, if you

2572
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,600
Speaker 1: don't mind, So if you see it, we'll closely see

2573
02:01:04,600 --> 02:01:06,680
Speaker 1: how it's a little bit irritated around some of the letters.

2574
02:01:06,760 --> 02:01:08,840
Speaker 1: That does tell you that it's real. Here's what I

2575
02:01:08,960 --> 02:01:11,720
Speaker 1: don't get. They did not plan this well right, because

2576
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 1: you've got the eye and then Jake Paul all in

2577
02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,400
Speaker 1: the same letters, Love is written differently and it looks

2578
02:01:17,440 --> 02:01:21,200
Speaker 1: like they didn't have enough room so they wrote it diagonal.

2579
02:01:21,320 --> 02:01:24,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't. I don't understand this tattoo at all, really,

2580
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:25,840
Speaker 1: And also, why do you get it? You're not in

2581
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:26,879
Speaker 1: the swoopstakes anymore.

2582
02:01:27,040 --> 02:01:29,920
Speaker 2: You're getting overly technical. But I think the point is

2583
02:01:29,960 --> 02:01:32,160
Speaker 2: what you just said. You're not getting the fights, so

2584
02:01:33,160 --> 02:01:34,840
Speaker 2: who cares if you live up to the bet?

2585
02:01:35,080 --> 02:01:35,960
Speaker 1: Right? What are you doing?

2586
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:36,560
Speaker 2: Tyrone?

2587
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? I don't, I don't understand as when you and you.

2588
02:01:41,160 --> 02:01:42,800
Speaker 2: Know, when you go to hitch your ass later tonight,

2589
02:01:42,960 --> 02:01:44,360
Speaker 2: there's gonna be Jake Paul over it.

2590
02:01:44,480 --> 02:01:47,880
Speaker 1: You know. Also like every time you look at your

2591
02:01:48,000 --> 02:01:51,480
Speaker 1: left hand, you're gonna see it like, yeah, I don't

2592
02:01:51,480 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 1: know about that.

2593
02:01:52,040 --> 02:01:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean that's probably his wiping hand, to be fair,

2594
02:01:54,000 --> 02:01:54,640
Speaker 2: but yeah.

2595
02:01:54,560 --> 02:01:56,880
Speaker 1: All right, I bet he stands like a real man.

2596
02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I stand to pee like a real man, Luke,

2597
02:01:59,560 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 2: And I'd love to try out this restroom. What's your

2598
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,760
Speaker 2: your analysis on this basketball court?

2599
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:10,200
Speaker 1: Luke? That's an NBA three. But you gotta have you

2600
02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:13,440
Speaker 1: gotta have like two tall boys. I got a piss dude,

2601
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:16,680
Speaker 1: poor Axel. Let me just say this, So Duff McKagan,

2602
02:02:16,920 --> 02:02:19,839
Speaker 1: Duff mccagan is like bricked up. He's clearly on TRT

2603
02:02:20,080 --> 02:02:23,440
Speaker 1: or something. Right. He looked great, slash looked like he

2604
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:26,360
Speaker 1: has been eating salads for twenty years. I mean, he

2605
02:02:26,480 --> 02:02:30,080
Speaker 1: looked not like Duff all built up, but clearly taking

2606
02:02:30,120 --> 02:02:33,960
Speaker 1: care of himself, right, great shape. And Axel looks fine

2607
02:02:34,040 --> 02:02:36,240
Speaker 1: for his age whatever that is. I don't even know

2608
02:02:36,280 --> 02:02:38,880
Speaker 1: he was sixty or something. But dude, he's kind of

2609
02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:42,160
Speaker 1: got like that, like Chuck Ledell. You know middle that

2610
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:44,200
Speaker 1: kind of pulls you forward a little bit with the

2611
02:02:44,240 --> 02:02:46,920
Speaker 1: skinny legs, you know, and he tried to do you know,

2612
02:02:47,120 --> 02:02:49,880
Speaker 1: you know Axel does that bit when he dances kind

2613
02:02:49,920 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 1: of thing. Oh yeah, he tried to do that like

2614
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:56,440
Speaker 1: across the stage, and it just looked like he looked

2615
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 1: like one of those dudes who was outside of a

2616
02:02:58,520 --> 02:03:00,720
Speaker 1: locked men's room and he had to shit real bad,

2617
02:03:00,840 --> 02:03:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, like he couldn't he couldn't quite make it

2618
02:03:03,440 --> 02:03:06,920
Speaker 1: smooth all the way with the footwork. Was he maybe

2619
02:03:06,960 --> 02:03:08,600
Speaker 1: needs to let that routine go a little bit.

2620
02:03:08,680 --> 02:03:10,560
Speaker 2: Now, how many times do you think Axels had sex

2621
02:03:10,640 --> 02:03:12,440
Speaker 2: in an abandoned building on a used mattress?

2622
02:03:13,800 --> 02:03:15,600
Speaker 1: More times than you can count? How many times has

2623
02:03:15,680 --> 02:03:17,800
Speaker 1: Axel probably had to take a dump and you know

2624
02:03:18,280 --> 02:03:20,320
Speaker 1: there were like three groupies waiting for him to finish,

2625
02:03:20,440 --> 02:03:21,960
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe not even waiting wrong finish.

2626
02:03:22,640 --> 02:03:26,120
Speaker 2: Wow, All right, Luke, let's head on down to the subway.

2627
02:03:26,240 --> 02:03:28,840
Speaker 2: You never know what creatures you'll find. I don't know

2628
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,520
Speaker 2: where this train is going, but next stop, Luke, the

2629
02:03:31,640 --> 02:03:32,320
Speaker 2: Jersey Shore.

2630
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:38,280
Speaker 1: Look at this m effort, dude, I can't stand the

2631
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:42,120
Speaker 1: New York City subway if I every time you pull

2632
02:03:42,240 --> 02:03:44,880
Speaker 1: this up and you show me these pieces of shit.

2633
02:03:45,000 --> 02:03:48,520
Speaker 1: I just I'm so glad I don't take the train anymore.

2634
02:03:48,520 --> 02:03:50,280
Speaker 1: By the way, is this New York because those the

2635
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:51,720
Speaker 1: seats look different.

2636
02:03:51,840 --> 02:03:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. But GTL just the same, all right, bro, Yes.

2637
02:03:55,440 --> 02:03:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim tanned laundry.

2638
02:03:57,200 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, Luke, let's go to the best street

2639
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:02,240
Speaker 2: fight of the week. These guys got sauced up. But

2640
02:04:02,440 --> 02:04:05,240
Speaker 2: check out the hook on number ten, the hook.

2641
02:04:05,280 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 1: Are we watching?

2642
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:10,320
Speaker 2: No, No, they're they're not. They have houses, Luke, But

2643
02:04:10,440 --> 02:04:14,680
Speaker 2: look at that cot. Wow, Luke, I gotta I gotta

2644
02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:16,640
Speaker 2: give him credit. Though he was much quicker than Nick

2645
02:04:16,680 --> 02:04:18,800
Speaker 2: Dias was this weekend with those punches. I mean they

2646
02:04:18,880 --> 02:04:25,200
Speaker 2: found the mark a lot faster, Luke. Oh oh Jesus, No,

2647
02:04:25,400 --> 02:04:27,400
Speaker 2: that is not Diez lawl or two. That is a

2648
02:04:27,720 --> 02:04:29,320
Speaker 2: guy in the hat. You gotta move your head, bro,

2649
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:30,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look at that. You're just right in the

2650
02:04:31,080 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 2: right in the center line, right.

2651
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:35,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, not a lot there. Guy takes the angle on him,

2652
02:04:35,720 --> 02:04:36,280
Speaker 1: sleeps them.

2653
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,000
Speaker 2: You never would have thought that guy could bang right,

2654
02:04:40,200 --> 02:04:41,600
Speaker 2: never would have thought, Luke. You gotta be.

2655
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:42,800
Speaker 1: Aware of that. You got to get that guy and

2656
02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:44,120
Speaker 1: BKFC what are we doing?

2657
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeh, yeh, all right, Luke, I don't know if this

2658
02:04:47,480 --> 02:04:51,120
Speaker 2: is if this is John DuPont No, no, sorry, it's

2659
02:04:51,160 --> 02:04:53,920
Speaker 2: Chawtrey sid Young Tong. Luke, he was given a brown

2660
02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:58,240
Speaker 2: belt this week. Congratulations to a lifelong mixed martial artists.

2661
02:04:58,240 --> 02:05:01,640
Speaker 2: Helk's purple is that that's not that's not brown anyway, Luke,

2662
02:05:01,680 --> 02:05:03,120
Speaker 2: you got you got a purple belt.

2663
02:05:03,240 --> 02:05:06,240
Speaker 1: Your thoughts sweet sweet? Good for him?

2664
02:05:06,520 --> 02:05:08,040
Speaker 2: Do you think this ends like Fox Catcher?

2665
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:12,480
Speaker 1: Or was that rude? Luke? Well, that guy had real money,

2666
02:05:12,960 --> 02:05:13,680
Speaker 1: so probably not.

2667
02:05:14,840 --> 02:05:17,160
Speaker 2: All right, Luke, I feel like we ran this on

2668
02:05:17,280 --> 02:05:19,480
Speaker 2: the show once before, but I was watching this video again.

2669
02:05:19,520 --> 02:05:21,720
Speaker 2: It's so good. I gotta run it one more time

2670
02:05:21,800 --> 02:05:23,680
Speaker 2: to close this week. Your friend's over there.

2671
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:27,520
Speaker 1: This is listen the high Roller guys. We visited them.

2672
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:31,360
Speaker 1: Their coolest shit, their product is cool as shit, their

2673
02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:35,040
Speaker 1: hospitality knows no boundaries, and now, b se, I think

2674
02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:38,800
Speaker 1: it's safe to call them innovators and inventors. Look at this.

2675
02:05:39,400 --> 02:05:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're in that room when this goes off,

2676
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:45,120
Speaker 2: forget being high dude, do you like, do you just

2677
02:05:45,200 --> 02:05:49,040
Speaker 2: pass out? I mean, this is this next level.

2678
02:05:48,920 --> 02:05:52,200
Speaker 1: Luke, dude, this kills COVID. I don't know if that's true,

2679
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:53,560
Speaker 1: but I want to believe that and if.

2680
02:05:53,480 --> 02:05:55,440
Speaker 2: It, can you zoom in on this. I gotta look

2681
02:05:55,440 --> 02:05:57,880
Speaker 2: at the fine detail. I mean this, this blow torch

2682
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:58,840
Speaker 2: is ridiculous.

2683
02:05:59,000 --> 02:06:02,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, put that exhaust pipe right in my mouth?

2684
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:04,400
Speaker 2: How did that guy not fall over? The guy that

2685
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:07,680
Speaker 2: just took it to the face right there? Wow? Look

2686
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:09,720
Speaker 2: at coach Lotori, She's like, yeah, let me get more

2687
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:09,920
Speaker 2: of that.

2688
02:06:10,200 --> 02:06:13,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, can you blame anyone in that room?

2689
02:06:14,280 --> 02:06:17,000
Speaker 2: That guy's just taking out in the phase the full

2690
02:06:17,080 --> 02:06:20,040
Speaker 2: on facial Luke, I think we need to investigate this,

2691
02:06:20,320 --> 02:06:21,320
Speaker 2: just just me talking here.

2692
02:06:21,480 --> 02:06:23,480
Speaker 1: We need to go to high rollers again and be like,

2693
02:06:23,520 --> 02:06:25,960
Speaker 1: we need to inspect this device of yours that has

2694
02:06:26,000 --> 02:06:27,080
Speaker 1: set fire to the world. Yeah.

2695
02:06:27,080 --> 02:06:29,200
Speaker 2: I don't think that's real. Is that real? Need to

2696
02:06:29,600 --> 02:06:31,480
Speaker 2: I need to check that out. That's your shit for

2697
02:06:31,560 --> 02:06:32,920
Speaker 2: the week, Luke. I hope you enjoyed it.

2698
02:06:33,240 --> 02:06:36,480
Speaker 1: That's amazing. All right, time for odds and ENSBC. What

2699
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:38,640
Speaker 1: do you have for odds and or ends?

2700
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:41,080
Speaker 2: So look, you know, sad news to report that al

2701
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:43,880
Speaker 2: Jamaine Sterling is not fully healed, Luke, and he has

2702
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:47,600
Speaker 2: pulled out of his what UFC two six seven bantamweight

2703
02:06:47,720 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 2: title rematch against Payota Yan. So, Luke, you're getting a

2704
02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:56,720
Speaker 2: lot of you know, hateful pushback. Payota Yan quote tweeted

2705
02:06:57,120 --> 02:07:00,120
Speaker 2: his own tweet prediction from a couple months back that

2706
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:03,360
Speaker 2: al Jamaine would bitch out and pull out. I'm not

2707
02:07:03,480 --> 02:07:05,440
Speaker 2: here to say it's any of that category. It seems

2708
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:08,480
Speaker 2: like some people are saying, Luke that maybe UFC tried

2709
02:07:08,520 --> 02:07:11,280
Speaker 2: to rush him back quickly from injury. I either way,

2710
02:07:11,400 --> 02:07:14,200
Speaker 2: we've got a situation now on how this title will

2711
02:07:14,240 --> 02:07:16,920
Speaker 2: be defended. And I think, Luke, for all the criticism

2712
02:07:17,000 --> 02:07:20,320
Speaker 2: I give the interim belts, this is a time potentially

2713
02:07:20,360 --> 02:07:22,400
Speaker 2: where an interim belt is needed. The top of this

2714
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:25,640
Speaker 2: division is absolutely loaded, by the way, so as the

2715
02:07:25,680 --> 02:07:30,120
Speaker 2: middle and the bottom of this top fifteen. Basically you're

2716
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:32,960
Speaker 2: not gonna see a World Grand Prix tournament any day now.

2717
02:07:33,080 --> 02:07:35,280
Speaker 2: So Luke I was thinking, what's the best way to

2718
02:07:35,360 --> 02:07:39,080
Speaker 2: fix this considering TJ. Dillashaw is the right full next

2719
02:07:39,120 --> 02:07:42,120
Speaker 2: in line, but he's injured coming off of that win

2720
02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:46,040
Speaker 2: over Corey san Haagen, and both Yan and san Hagan

2721
02:07:46,120 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 2: are coming off losses, so it's hard to like justify

2722
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,640
Speaker 2: that they run into each other. I've got two fixes

2723
02:07:53,120 --> 02:07:55,040
Speaker 2: for the UFC here, and I want to know which

2724
02:07:55,080 --> 02:07:59,840
Speaker 2: one you believe is the better move. Fix number one,

2725
02:08:01,200 --> 02:08:05,160
Speaker 2: you announced that TJ. Dillashaw, since he's also injured and

2726
02:08:05,400 --> 02:08:09,960
Speaker 2: is probably the rightful contender next in line, passes to

2727
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:14,000
Speaker 2: the front and will fight al Jamain Sterling for the

2728
02:08:14,240 --> 02:08:18,280
Speaker 2: full title once he is healthy and in the meantime

2729
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:22,880
Speaker 2: at two sixty seven, your interim title replacement about is

2730
02:08:23,000 --> 02:08:27,280
Speaker 2: Payota Yan versus Corey Sanhagen. That is option number one.

2731
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:29,720
Speaker 1: To fix this, Luke, you take option one. I don't

2732
02:08:29,720 --> 02:08:30,680
Speaker 1: care what your option two is.

2733
02:08:31,080 --> 02:08:37,080
Speaker 2: Option two is you take a budding, growing, hungry superstar

2734
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:40,480
Speaker 2: who just tweeted that he's available and he's ready and

2735
02:08:40,560 --> 02:08:45,680
Speaker 2: he's willing, and you give sugar Sean O'Malley the Conna

2736
02:08:45,720 --> 02:08:48,800
Speaker 2: McGregor star treatment, and you put him in there against

2737
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Speaker 2: Payota Yan for the interim title and you just say, hey,

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Speaker 2: we'll see what happens next.

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Speaker 1: No, you put in Corey Sanhagen. To your point, every

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02:08:56,600 --> 02:09:01,880
Speaker 1: circumstance here is super less than ideal. But they should

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02:09:01,920 --> 02:09:03,840
Speaker 1: have made a bantam way. Dude, have you ever had

2742
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:07,320
Speaker 1: nerve damage before this? Was the funniest doctor's appointment I'd

2743
02:09:07,360 --> 02:09:09,480
Speaker 1: ever had in my life. I couldn't feel my finger

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02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:12,160
Speaker 1: and my thumb for like a while, okay, and every

2745
02:09:12,200 --> 02:09:14,280
Speaker 1: time I would push my shoulder forward, they would go

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02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:17,440
Speaker 1: instantly numb. And it was a problem. So I go

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02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:19,040
Speaker 1: to the doctor. I'm like, dude, I got nerve damage.

2748
02:09:19,040 --> 02:09:20,200
Speaker 1: And he kind of figured out it was from something

2749
02:09:20,240 --> 02:09:22,680
Speaker 1: I was doing, some physical activity, and so they gave

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02:09:22,720 --> 02:09:25,560
Speaker 1: me some like rehab, not to fix the nerve damage,

2751
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:28,040
Speaker 1: but to fix me with my motor patterns that were

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02:09:28,080 --> 02:09:30,400
Speaker 1: creating or making it worse. So I was like, dude,

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02:09:30,440 --> 02:09:32,160
Speaker 1: when does this come back. He's like, yeah, I'll be

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02:09:32,240 --> 02:09:35,560
Speaker 1: back in six months to a year. I'm like, is

2755
02:09:35,600 --> 02:09:38,000
Speaker 1: there anything I can do to make it faster? He's like, nope,

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02:09:38,080 --> 02:09:40,360
Speaker 1: just don't make it worse. And I was like, so, wait,

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02:09:40,400 --> 02:09:42,320
Speaker 1: you're telling me your medical treatment is just to look

2758
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:45,520
Speaker 1: at this and then just say the words wait. Yes,

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02:09:46,000 --> 02:09:48,520
Speaker 1: that is literally what they prescribed. So like, dude, we're like,

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02:09:48,640 --> 02:09:51,160
Speaker 1: if you got nerve issues in your fucking neck, you

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02:09:51,280 --> 02:09:54,640
Speaker 1: cannot rush that whatsoever. You have to be very very careful.

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02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:56,520
Speaker 1: And so the fact that they didn't give him an

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02:09:56,560 --> 02:09:58,920
Speaker 1: interim title or in this division to begin with is

2764
02:09:59,240 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 1: just a mess. And and now here we find ourselves

2765
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:03,520
Speaker 1: with one and now al Jamine has to eat more

2766
02:10:03,600 --> 02:10:05,240
Speaker 1: bad headlines. It's not really all that fair.

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02:10:05,480 --> 02:10:08,400
Speaker 2: There's an option seeing this. It'd be a little brash,

2768
02:10:08,960 --> 02:10:10,960
Speaker 2: but it's not like we haven't seen the ufceen the

2769
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:16,920
Speaker 2: past strip GDR and Nico Montagno under somewhat arguable and

2770
02:10:17,040 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 2: questionable circumstances because al Jo didn't actually win the belt, Luke,

2771
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:24,200
Speaker 2: and it was a d h finish. Do you strip

2772
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:26,720
Speaker 2: him because you don't know when or if he is

2773
02:10:26,840 --> 02:10:28,720
Speaker 2: coming back? And you say, look, well you'll get a

2774
02:10:28,760 --> 02:10:30,680
Speaker 2: big fight upon return, but you didn't win the belt

2775
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:33,520
Speaker 2: to begin with. We make the belt vacant, forget interim,

2776
02:10:34,160 --> 02:10:36,840
Speaker 2: we go sand and forget tj jhow's hurt? And we

2777
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:38,760
Speaker 2: go san Hagen versus Yan.

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02:10:39,200 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 1: No that you already get You already gave him the belt. No,

2779
02:10:42,440 --> 02:10:44,600
Speaker 1: you can't do that yet, No, no, no, And dude, he's.

2780
02:10:44,520 --> 02:10:46,879
Speaker 2: Got a lot that to Nico Montaigne, Luke.

2781
02:10:47,080 --> 02:10:50,840
Speaker 1: Her situation is much more complex and much worse. You know,

2782
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:54,200
Speaker 1: to have nerve damage in your neck and you already

2783
02:10:54,240 --> 02:10:56,040
Speaker 1: gave the guy the belt. You just gotta wait. You

2784
02:10:56,080 --> 02:10:57,800
Speaker 1: gotta wait. If he can't come back after like a

2785
02:10:57,920 --> 02:11:00,120
Speaker 1: full year or two or something like that, then yeah.

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02:11:00,400 --> 02:11:02,600
Speaker 2: They saved her a beating from Valentina. Remember she was

2787
02:11:02,640 --> 02:11:05,520
Speaker 2: like a minus like five thousand favorite or whatever the record,

2788
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:08,600
Speaker 2: you know, it like broke the record by like Barry

2789
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:10,000
Speaker 2: Bonds on steroids levels.

2790
02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:14,360
Speaker 1: I mean it was just ridiculous, all right, So last time, hold.

2791
02:11:14,240 --> 02:11:16,480
Speaker 2: On, hold on, look real quick. Wow, we're way over

2792
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:19,040
Speaker 2: time because this yeah, no shit, du no shit, what

2793
02:11:19,160 --> 02:11:21,640
Speaker 2: happens to TJ bro He.

2794
02:11:21,720 --> 02:11:24,800
Speaker 1: Will get first crack at whatever the relevant belt situation

2795
02:11:24,960 --> 02:11:26,680
Speaker 1: is at the time. I tend to think that he'll

2796
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:29,880
Speaker 1: be back before this is all resolved, for sure. Kind

2797
02:11:29,880 --> 02:11:31,040
Speaker 1: of funny though that he was the guy that was

2798
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:35,320
Speaker 1: carrying the interim belt before. Uh Okay, for my odds

2799
02:11:35,360 --> 02:11:37,720
Speaker 1: and ends, I go to one championship again. Their leadership

2800
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:42,880
Speaker 1: are donks, but their product is pretty good. It's pretty good.

2801
02:11:43,200 --> 02:11:47,120
Speaker 1: So they had Marcus Almeida, also known as Bushetsha, arguably

2802
02:11:47,160 --> 02:11:51,080
Speaker 1: the winningest jiu jitsu competitor ever if you want to,

2803
02:11:51,120 --> 02:11:53,160
Speaker 1: depending how you want to stack up titles, but certainly

2804
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,000
Speaker 1: the best of our generation, the best post Hadra Gracie

2805
02:11:56,040 --> 02:11:58,560
Speaker 1: for sure, and at least amassing the number of belts

2806
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:01,760
Speaker 1: and munjiel ti and EIGHTCC titles that he won. So

2807
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:05,240
Speaker 1: he's finally transitioning to MMA. He's big, he's super athletic.

2808
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 1: In fact, he got away with a lot of like

2809
02:12:07,120 --> 02:12:09,320
Speaker 1: maybe technical deficiencies even at the black belt level, by

2810
02:12:09,400 --> 02:12:13,760
Speaker 1: virtue of insane athleticism. And he won in his one

2811
02:12:14,040 --> 02:12:17,520
Speaker 1: championship debut via North South choke. So you know, it

2812
02:12:17,600 --> 02:12:19,200
Speaker 1: was a fight he should have won, and he did

2813
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,040
Speaker 1: and it was relatively easy for him. But keep your

2814
02:12:22,080 --> 02:12:25,520
Speaker 1: eye on Marcus Almeida, Bucheisha and.

2815
02:12:25,640 --> 02:12:28,120
Speaker 2: Also, as we mentioned earlier, Bo Nickel, the Penn State

2816
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:32,160
Speaker 2: wrestling Phenome Luke getting the win in his MMA debut.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be following that store only because my

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Speaker 2: neighbor Luke shout out to Anthony Weber, big time amateur

2819
02:12:37,600 --> 02:12:40,680
Speaker 2: wrestling fan in high school coach. He's he's been on

2820
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:42,640
Speaker 2: the bow Nickel train since day one. Luke, We're gonna

2821
02:12:42,640 --> 02:12:43,720
Speaker 2: see a real fighter come out of this.

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Speaker 1: I had, I had bow Nickel announced he was moving

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Speaker 1: to MMA on my show. How about that?

2824
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Speaker 2: Take that all right? Take that check?

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Speaker 1: Take that to your coach rewinded back that one to HERR. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Show Finally Doc five Wednesday, Get pumped up, get ready,

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Speaker 2: spectacular people like Luke Thomas and myself. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: Thank you there you have it all right. So for

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell Malka, Showtime, CBS Sports, I'm Luke Thomas. Thank

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Speaker 1: you guys so much for watching and until next time

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