WEBVTT - Killing Dirty John | Terra Newell's Story 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:15.920 August twentieth, twenty sixteen, Tara Nule was ambushed by her stepfather, 0:00:16.440 --> 0:00:17.200 John mihann. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:19.480 Now you might recognize this. 0:00:19.520 --> 0:00:23.120 Story from the show Dirty John. Tara was in her 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:27.240 Newport Beach apartment parking lot when she was attacked by 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:32.000 me Hann. Tara had to save her own life. She 0:00:32.159 --> 0:00:36.440 fatally stabbed me hand in self defense. She's going to 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:40.040 join us today and tell us her story for the 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:45.519 last time. She wants to move away from this one event. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:46.920 In her life. 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:50.400 She's got a lot of really important projects. 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:53.760 This event will always. 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:57.040 Be part of her life story, but y'all, it is 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.280 far from the whole story. She is a podcaster, she's 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:05.320 a life coach, she's a victim's advocate. She does so 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:07.760 many things, and we're gonna let her talk about that too, 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:12.400 because those things are important. Because Tara survives something that 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:16.039 most people cannot, and she has chosen to use it 0:01:16.160 --> 0:01:23.520 for good. So y'all please help me welcome Tara nowdle Hey, sugar. 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.800 Hey, thank you so much for having me. Are you kidding? 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:29.160 I've been wanting to do this with you for a 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.120 long time now, because I think your story is extraordinary 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.240 and the part that continues to impress me, is how 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.440 you have decided that you're going to do good for 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:45.679 other people and that one event, you know what, it 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:46.280 could have been. 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:49.560 Very different for you. The reality is you did. 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.000 What had to be done, and with that trauma that 0:01:53.080 --> 0:01:57.160 you suffered, that you're just determined that you're going to 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.160 help other people with their trauma. 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:00.000 Well, thank you. 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.880 That has definitely become a mission with mine, especially since 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:08.680 I was really given such a big platform to share 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:12.920 race story, but not exactly how I wanted it to 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.720 be shared because the trauma was still fresh, I wasn't 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:21.280 able to process it fully. And then this podcast came along, 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:25.240 but that really put my story on blasts and I 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:29.760 really want to help other survivors gain that momentum with 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.639 their story if they need to spread that awareness. 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:38.960 Absolutely, So talk a little bit about your childhood before 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:41.040 Mahan got involved with your family. 0:02:41.520 --> 0:02:44.760 I grew up in Orange County, California. A lot of 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:50.280 people say it's a conservative bubble here compared to other 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:55.400 parts of California, per se, and so it was really, 0:02:56.480 --> 0:02:59.359 you know, a privileged childhood. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:01.359 I grew up with lots of nannies. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.839 I had everything I could really need and wanted As 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:10.600 a child, I did a lot of things where we 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.240 would go on vacation all the time. We wouldn't necessarily 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.320 go and travel the country like you see those types 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:19.760 of families do. But I'm like, oh, that would be 0:03:19.760 --> 0:03:22.240 great to be that type of family because traveling with 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.880 country is fun. It is fun, but really privileged in 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:33.280 the sense of where we were conservative Americans. 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.560 We went to church every Sunday. 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.520 My mom she did have a lot of men, not 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:45.280 necessarily like the revolving door in a sense, but she 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:48.800 was traditional, so she was like she would fall in love, 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:52.320 get married to these men, and then these men would 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:57.160 not be who they presented themselves to be necessarily, and 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.440 she just didn't have the best picker, and neither did 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:04.920 my father. So I definitely had a lot of step 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:09.120 parents that were in and out, but they weren't you know, 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:13.120 the revolving like you know how you kind of like 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:16.880 think like that revolving war, like always in and out. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.520 Like my mom would like lock them in and marry. 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.320 Them, got you. So they were long term people. 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.359 Yes, but two years, like three or four years, that 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:32.520 was probably like the smallest time amounts. And then she 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:37.240 did date other men, but those relationships were like a 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.560 year six months until like she really introduced them to 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:42.479 her kid. 0:04:42.720 --> 0:04:45.839 Right, So I mean to me, that's not like somebody 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:47.040 every three to six weeks. 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.160 I mean you're talking about somebody that's in there and 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:50.000 you know them. 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.000 They get to know, y'all. They're around long enough to 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:54.359 get mail, you know what I'm saying. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:57.679 Yeah, well, I mean she did marry my dad six 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.719 months into the relationship, but he he was around for 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:01.839 thirteen years. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:05.280 Right. So your mama when she falls, she falls quick 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:05.800 and hard. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:06.880 Yeah she does. 0:05:07.320 --> 0:05:09.159 Okay, nothing wrong with that, y'all. 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:13.320 So everything is going great, and you just even with 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.839 several step parents, you're just having a great time. You're 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:20.200 in now, what high school? 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:22.480 Yeah, No, I'm in high school. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.120 I kind of well, I graduate high school, I go 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:32.480 I go to cosmetology school, then I go to dog 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:36.520 grooming school because I ended up wanting to go to 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:41.320 Colorado And there was a situation that happened with my 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:45.480 license where I was going to pick the state board. 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:48.599 I passed the Briton but my model at the time 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.680 you needed models, she proviot her ID and so I 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:53.880 needed to retake it and I kind of just didn't 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:56.400 ever retake it because I didn't have the money then 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.719 to do that. So I went on to dog grooming 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:04.680 and then I ended up working in a pet store 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:09.200 and that's where I met my first boyfriend that I 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.400 really lived with. And he was with me when I 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.960 met John, and my mom was with John. 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:18.880 Okay, so how old were you. 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.880 I was twenty four years old when I met John. 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.200 So still very young venturing out on your own kind 0:06:26.200 --> 0:06:29.200 of for the first time, but still you're not forty. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:33.560 No, And then I was also living in Vegas when 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:37.000 I was twenty four, and I had a house, like 0:06:37.040 --> 0:06:41.720 a three bedroom calls with three dogs and four cats. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:46.120 Your mom marries John, when do you first start to 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:49.279 kind of notice this guy's not who he says or 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.040 there's just something not right. 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:56.040 First my sister was calling me. She was telling me, 0:06:56.160 --> 0:07:00.159 I don't like this guy. This guy seeing sketch, he 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.920 seems like he's in this stuff, Tara, And so I 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.000 was already hearing that, And that was around one to 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:11.720 two months in that relationship. And then I came out 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:15.680 there from Vegas to help my mom move into the 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.720 Balboa place where she was moving in with him. 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:20.600 But I didn't know that at. 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.360 The time, and I don't know if she even knew 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.680 that at the time. And so I came out there 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.480 and I met him, and I see him. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.880 He's alone, My mom. 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.880 Is upstairs coming downstairs, and he's trying to get the 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:41.160 mattress on top of the car. And how he kind 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:45.040 of met my boyfriend at the time, like he wasn't 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.960 the nicest he was just like, you know, kind of 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:49.560 bug off mentality. 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.440 All right, So let me ask you about your sister. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:56.160 I have four sisters. One of them Shelley. 0:07:56.720 --> 0:07:58.360 She may just walk up to me and tell me 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.480 about this person, and she will strike up and say, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.880 we don't like this person, like she'll include me in 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.360 it when I don't know the person. So sometimes maybe 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.080 the person's not that great. Maybe it's just Shelley has 0:08:11.080 --> 0:08:14.360 a beef with them. My sister Shavern, on the other hand, 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.040 if she has closed that door to somebody, you can 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:18.960 take it to the bank. 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:23.080 They're no good. So when your sister is telling. 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.040 You, hey, this guy's kind of sketchy, there's something not right. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:30.040 Is she one that would throw that flag out there 0:08:30.280 --> 0:08:32.640 or did you take it as gospel when she said it? 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:36.520 I took it as my sister had a lot of 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:42.480 issues with my mom's other boyfriends. I think that at times, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.280 and I don't know if you feel this way, but 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:50.040 even as a generation, we're even taught to accept certain 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:55.600 things in certain behaviors where my mom, you know, she 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:58.520 was used to that and my mom my sister was 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.880 calling it out like, hey, this is something that shouldn't 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.559 be okay, and we're. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:09.320 Learning okay, So behaviors of John where your mom was 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.560 just accepting it, and y'all were like, hey, this is 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:13.240 not okay. 0:09:13.520 --> 0:09:16.400 You wouldn't want this for us in a relationship. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.720 Yes, and no, in a sense where it was with John, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:26.360 my sister saw something in him. But you can't just say, okay, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:31.240 what's an ec you know where Now if someone said 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.400 that to me and think, okay, trust your gut, go 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.920 with that. In a society, I thought, and even as 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.719 a whole, and with women too, we're taught to kind 0:09:40.760 --> 0:09:43.240 of brush aside those red flags at times. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.000 I understand that part. Now, I get what you're saying. Yes, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.439 I'm Southern obviously, and we're y'all be polite, Be polite, 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.280 be polite. And I know, growing up, if I ever 0:09:53.320 --> 0:09:55.959 saw a movie or a show where there was a 0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.800 lady from New York, like, you know, like a maud 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:03.120 or a road of Morgenstern. You know, I thought, man, 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.199 that must be so liberating. You can just basically straighten 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:09.040 somebody out verbally whenever. 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:09.520 You feel like it. 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.520 We weren't raised that way, so I get what you're 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:19.120 saying completely. So let me ask you this once you 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.800 all start to see, Okay, for sure, this guy's a problem. 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:27.320 What was happening that you did confront your mom about 0:10:27.440 --> 0:10:30.800 or you did kind of highlight for her that this 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:31.720 is not okay. 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.760 So the second time that I came out to California 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:41.599 to come visit her, I ended up having a disagreement 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:46.480 with my mom and John where I ended up leaving 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.160 the house and didn't stay there. And the next day 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:56.480 was Thanksgiving, So I had some concerns about him using 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.760 her car all the time, especially if claimed to be 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.840 a nana cusialgist. 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:06.840 So I'm like, where's his stuff? Mom? 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:10.439 And then she came up with this big, elaborate story 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.840 that he told her that all his stuff got stolen. 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:18.480 He had like a couple of cars, motorcycle, and a 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:22.080 lot of other stuff that got stolen in the desert. 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:28.199 So I'm thinking, hmmm, that's weird. My insurance when stuff 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.120 happened with my car, I got on them and they 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:33.840 took care of things right away. 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:35.600 Help him. He doesn't have a car. 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:38.360 M that's valid. Yep. 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:42.600 Yeah, so it wasn't adding up. I asked the hairdresser, 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:46.240 who is our hairdresser, our friend. She did all of 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:50.120 our hair, and she also did John's hair one time, 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:53.679 and she was talking about how she didn't like him, 0:11:53.920 --> 0:11:57.640 how there was just something up with him, basically like 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.920 Major Slee's bag vibes. 0:12:01.559 --> 0:12:03.200 So I kind of was saying. 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.240 I was in the doorway saying that to my mom, 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:11.240 and then he came up behind my mom. He started 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:16.320 screaming at me. I told him to go at himself 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:20.520 a full form. He set it back to me full form. 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.640 He told me that I only wanted my mom for 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:27.680 her money and that I didn't want a relationship with her. 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:31.720 I told him, no, that that's what you want, John, 0:12:32.120 --> 0:12:35.439 And then I was packing up my stuck. No one 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.240 was telling me to stop packing up a stuck. My 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.360 boyfriend at the time was there with me, and my 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:45.360 mom asked him, do you feel that way too? Jimmy 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:50.120 and he said, well, you know, this isn't right. There's 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:54.520 something not right here, this is wrong, and something along 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:58.320 those lines, not those words perbade them, you know. 0:12:58.920 --> 0:13:00.640 But we ended up. 0:13:00.600 --> 0:13:05.200 Leaving and I didn't talk to my mom after thought 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.040 for a while. I didn't go to Thanksgiving. I wasn't 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:13.560 invited I Thanksgiving. He was invited to Thanksgiving, and me 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.720 only be my mom for a little under too much. 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:21.400 There's one aspect of this that's pretty powerful for me. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:26.720 Men can generally size up another man pretty quick. So 0:13:26.800 --> 0:13:28.760 if you have a dad or an uncle, or a 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.560 brother or male cousin that tells you a man is 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.240 no good, they know it. They just do, and they 0:13:36.280 --> 0:13:39.200 know it so fast. We may not can see it 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:41.880 because you know, he's got a nice smile and we're 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:45.679 in love with him. But man can tell you he's 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:48.600 a con artist, he's not in this for the right reason. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:53.720 So I think that's really a powerful moment when Jimmy 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:55.920 told her there's something not right here. 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.880 Yeah, And Jimmy was so great, he was so easy, 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.760 He bought along with everyone, you know, So for him 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:08.040 to even be like something was not right here, it 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:12.840 was valid because he like he could be like a 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.280 little bit of a pushover in a sense, and like 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.280 soone could totally walk over him and just be like 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:20.640 I'm here, and he'd be like, okay. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.000 He sounds great. All right. 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.880 So things move on and what starts to happen. Do 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:33.120 you notice any violence? Do you notice any attitude that 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.280 gives you calls to say, look, I think mom's in 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:38.360 some danger. Did that ever happen for you? 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:42.920 That was really the last time I had any interaction 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:48.080 with him other than Christmas. We had to have a 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:51.520 mediator with my mom and I to kind of mediate 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:55.920 how Christmas was gonna be. We had the whole Christmas 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.680 thing and John King, and he didn't do anything that 0:14:59.680 --> 0:15:04.240 the f therapists said are recommended. So I got emotional, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.880 and it was kind of turned around on to me 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:10.720 that I was the you know, crazy emotional one. 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:12.720 I was having the problem. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:16.160 Yes, of course, this is the Christmas right after the 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:20.560 Thanksgiving you weren't invited to So this is going south quick, yes. 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.880 And then after that, like I think like a month 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:29.320 or two after that, my brother in law, my sister Jacqueline, 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:33.000 and my other sister they hire a private investigator to 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.320 look into all of this and look into John. 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.200 So you do have some support, You've got some family going, Yes, 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:40.640 she ain't the crazy one. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:41.960 Yes, but not at first. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.920 At first they were like, oh, Terry is just overreacting, 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:49.840 Terry's just being emotional, Terra' is a cancer. 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:55.680 Isn't that fabulous? And you're sitting there going, I must 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.760 be insane because this is I see it so differently 0:15:59.760 --> 0:16:02.800 than everybody around me, and that's a horrible position to 0:16:02.840 --> 0:16:03.120 be in. 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:07.040 I'm just so sorry for all of it. And I 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:11.320 tell you, you know, you sit there and you think, Okay, 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:11.880 this is. 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:15.640 My mom, and you know she should be taking my 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.480 side no matter what, even if I'm wrong kind of 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.840 I mean, this guy is a stranger, and you know 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.040 he's sitting there telling me I don't even want to 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:24.360 say it. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:26.120 You said it's so cute when you said he said 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.200 it in full form, But you know that kind of thing. 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:34.120 As a mom, I mean, you would just instinctively almost 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:36.800 lose your mind if somebody cussed at your child like that. 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.720 I know there's all this dynamic going on and you're 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:44.359 trying to figure it all out. So now after Christmas, 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:45.440 what is happening? 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:50.320 After Christmas? My family hires the private investigator. But it's 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.520 a few months, you know, it takes a minute for 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.720 them to get their bearings and be like, okay, something 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.520 it's not right here, and they find out all this 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.120 information that he has these different social Security card numbers, 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:10.360 he has different restraining orders for him. He has a 0:17:10.359 --> 0:17:14.879 storage in Cathedral City, and the storage is a refrigerator 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:17.840 with a child's back back in it, and then in 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.640 the back back it has a child's book. It has 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:24.159 zip ties, and I believe it had stuff we also 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.960 like duct tape, and then like color form kind of 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:31.080 stuff in it, but not like chloroform full form, just 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.360 kind of some of the ingredients to make it. And 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:40.119 that scared me. That really shook me. And then my 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:44.760 mom left John. She had to kind of plan her 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.560 leave too, so she found someone to rent the Balbo 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:52.240 place from her subleisit and then she had to get 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.719 out of there. She moved in with my sister in 0:17:55.800 --> 0:18:01.600 Ladera Branch. She just like kind of escaped there, and 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:05.879 then John weaseled his way back in because he was 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:11.160 able to bring my mom to different lawyers, and all 0:18:11.200 --> 0:18:14.959 these lawyers told her that what we found was different. 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:19.760 John Woolman, Oh, but. 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:24.679 It's funny because I'm doing your research. Now, there is 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.400 one hundred other John Yehans out there. 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.000 There are even doctors. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:32.320 Oh there's no question there might be another one. I laughed, 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.640 because it is just so asinine right that now he's 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:38.120 going to be able to come to her and go, hey, 0:18:38.240 --> 0:18:40.640 you know that's another doctor John me hand. 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:42.919 But here's the thing. I want to go back at 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:44.080 the storage room a second. 0:18:44.119 --> 0:18:48.240 Honey, did you get the same feeling when you heard 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:52.879 about the items in the stoge room that I just got, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.480 which was sickening, like a punch in the gud. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.119 Because here's what I'm thinking. He takes the. 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:03.720 Chloral form, puts it on the stuffed animal, takes it 0:19:03.760 --> 0:19:06.920 in the backpack with the duct tape and the other items, 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.560 Kidnap somebody knocks them out, kidnaps them, ties them up, 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:13.520 kills them, takes it into the storage room and puts 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.360 them in the refrigerator, and then has the refrigerator haul 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:16.680 at all. 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:21.840 Oh yeah, honestly, Okay, So I can't tell you all 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.879 this stuff that I'm figuring now, well, I can just 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:30.840 tell you that there's a lot war to this, and 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:34.400 this guy was so evil and I don't know why 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.200 I'm seeing it, like, I'm so excited, But I'm seeing 0:19:37.240 --> 0:19:41.639 it because I'm excited because I'm uncovering who this guy was, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.440 who I had to take down. 0:19:43.680 --> 0:19:48.520 That makes perfect sense, of course, unbelievable. Okay, so now 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.280 y'all are finding all that out. He gets her back, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:52.960 and what happens. 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.600 It was weird because I had the feelings she would 0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.680 go back no matter what, because that's what is common. 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:02.960 That's what your brain's telling me to do. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:03.680 In back. 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:07.400 Your brain's telling you, hey, you need this person. You're 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.920 craving them. Your body's actually telling me that you need 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.959 this person in order to reproduce, even if you're at 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:18.480 a certain age. But you don't need them to reproduce 0:20:18.520 --> 0:20:25.520 it anymore, especially not him. And so she gets back 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.800 together with him. They get a dog together, they get 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:33.040 a place in the urbane spectrum, and then they also 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:35.000 get a house in Vegas. 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.280 Okay, so now they're even closer to you all the time. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:41.320 I'm now moved out of Vegas because me and my 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:46.760 boyfriend broke up, and I'm in Newport Beach, California. She's 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:50.640 going back and work between California and at this point 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.320 she's starting to figure out more and more John what 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.359 or who he is as a person, well, who's not 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:05.199 alive anywhere, so always was. And then she's finding out that, 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:09.119 you know, he was in jail, that this is true. 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:14.000 She hires a private investigator herself, and then she comes 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:19.159 back with paperwork, and in this paper work there is 0:21:19.200 --> 0:21:22.360 a picture of him where he cut open his stomach 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.440 in jail and be stuck pieces in his stomach. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.600 What in the world is that about. 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.400 Well, it's because he's an addict and he needed his 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:35.280 drug fix. He needed to get you know, that fixed 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.560 in order to like live and to survive in his mind. 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:43.119 And so he literally can hurt himself, can do that 0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.360 to himself. And they also falled that a suicide attempt. 0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:52.520 But John knows medical like he knows the body, knows 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.080 where to cut, he knows where to be safe. 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.480 So he self harms so that he can get pain 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:00.640 medication and. 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:03.280 So he could go to the hospital, gets stitched up 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:05.440 and then he has to be on medication for that. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.480 And so when my mom saw that, when we saw that, 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.600 I knew that if he could do that to himself, 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:21.240 he could harm a person. No problem. At this point 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.600 my sister and I are telling my mom like, you know, 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.200 we support you, and leaving like we could take care 0:22:27.240 --> 0:22:32.280 of ourselves, like if he comes after us, we'll be fine, 0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:36.199 we'll be safe. And one day my mom ends up 0:22:36.280 --> 0:22:41.000 leaving him. She just grabs a shoe and she just leaves, 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:43.439 and she has like one shoe and a bunch of 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:47.600 random things. She gets a hold of my sister, Jacqueline, 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:53.000 and they drive out to Vegas. They unpack everything with 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.560 my mom and everything of my mom's in the house, 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.080 and my sister is filming it this whole time, just 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:07.359 so that my sister has documentation of my mom not 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:13.800 taking anything of his. And in Irvine, California, he called 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:16.400 the cops on my mom and said that my mom 0:23:16.520 --> 0:23:17.040 hit him. 0:23:17.720 --> 0:23:19.119 That's straight out of the playbook. 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:24.920 So they actually dismissed that because my mom gives them 0:23:24.960 --> 0:23:28.399 proof that she's in Vegas and has been since the 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:29.440 time we said. 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:29.920 He was hits. 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:35.639 So they are just like, okay, they pushed that to 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.600 the side. But then now my mom's trying to get 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:42.920 restraining orders. My mom's trying to get a lawyer. John 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:48.320 sending threatening messages to her. He's at one minute like 0:23:48.440 --> 0:23:50.840 trying to convince her to get back together with him, 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:55.919 and then another minute telling her how unattractive she is, 0:23:56.200 --> 0:23:59.680 how fat she is, how this and that, and just. 0:24:01.119 --> 0:24:05.840