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Speaker 1: August twentieth, twenty sixteen, Tara Nule was ambushed by her stepfather,

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Speaker 1: John mihann.

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Speaker 2: Now you might recognize this.

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Speaker 1: Story from the show Dirty John. Tara was in her

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Speaker 1: Newport Beach apartment parking lot when she was attacked by

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Speaker 1: me Hann. Tara had to save her own life. She

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Speaker 1: fatally stabbed me hand in self defense. She's going to

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Speaker 1: join us today and tell us her story for the

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Speaker 1: last time. She wants to move away from this one event.

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Speaker 2: In her life.

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Speaker 1: She's got a lot of really important projects.

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Speaker 2: This event will always.

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Speaker 1: Be part of her life story, but y'all, it is

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Speaker 1: far from the whole story. She is a podcaster, she's

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Speaker 1: a life coach, she's a victim's advocate. She does so

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Speaker 1: many things, and we're gonna let her talk about that too,

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Speaker 1: because those things are important. Because Tara survives something that

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Speaker 1: most people cannot, and she has chosen to use it

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Speaker 1: for good. So y'all please help me welcome Tara nowdle Hey, sugar.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you so much for having me. Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: I've been wanting to do this with you for a

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Speaker 1: long time now, because I think your story is extraordinary

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Speaker 1: and the part that continues to impress me, is how

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Speaker 1: you have decided that you're going to do good for

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Speaker 1: other people and that one event, you know what, it

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Speaker 1: could have been.

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Speaker 2: Very different for you. The reality is you did.

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Speaker 1: What had to be done, and with that trauma that

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Speaker 1: you suffered, that you're just determined that you're going to

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Speaker 1: help other people with their trauma.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 4: That has definitely become a mission with mine, especially since

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Speaker 4: I was really given such a big platform to share

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Speaker 4: race story, but not exactly how I wanted it to

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Speaker 4: be shared because the trauma was still fresh, I wasn't

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Speaker 4: able to process it fully. And then this podcast came along,

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Speaker 4: but that really put my story on blasts and I

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Speaker 4: really want to help other survivors gain that momentum with

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Speaker 4: their story if they need to spread that awareness.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, So talk a little bit about your childhood before

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Speaker 1: Mahan got involved with your family.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Orange County, California. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people say it's a conservative bubble here compared to other

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Speaker 4: parts of California, per se, and so it was really,

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Speaker 4: you know, a privileged childhood.

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Speaker 3: I grew up with lots of nannies.

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Speaker 4: I had everything I could really need and wanted As

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Speaker 4: a child, I did a lot of things where we

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Speaker 4: would go on vacation all the time. We wouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: go and travel the country like you see those types

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Speaker 4: of families do. But I'm like, oh, that would be

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Speaker 4: great to be that type of family because traveling with

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Speaker 4: country is fun. It is fun, but really privileged in

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Speaker 4: the sense of where we were conservative Americans.

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Speaker 3: We went to church every Sunday.

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Speaker 4: My mom she did have a lot of men, not

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Speaker 4: necessarily like the revolving door in a sense, but she

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Speaker 4: was traditional, so she was like she would fall in love,

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Speaker 4: get married to these men, and then these men would

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Speaker 4: not be who they presented themselves to be necessarily, and

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Speaker 4: she just didn't have the best picker, and neither did

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Speaker 4: my father. So I definitely had a lot of step

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Speaker 4: parents that were in and out, but they weren't you know,

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Speaker 4: the revolving like you know how you kind of like

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Speaker 4: think like that revolving war, like always in and out.

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Speaker 4: Like my mom would like lock them in and marry.

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Speaker 2: Them, got you. So they were long term people.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but two years, like three or four years, that

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Speaker 4: was probably like the smallest time amounts. And then she

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Speaker 4: did date other men, but those relationships were like a

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Speaker 4: year six months until like she really introduced them to

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Speaker 1: Right, So I mean to me, that's not like somebody

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Speaker 1: every three to six weeks.

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Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about somebody that's in there and

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Speaker 1: They get to know, y'all. They're around long enough to

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Speaker 1: get mail, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean she did marry my dad six

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Speaker 4: months into the relationship, but he he was around for

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Speaker 2: Right. So your mama when she falls, she falls quick

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Speaker 3: Yeah she does.

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Speaker 2: Okay, nothing wrong with that, y'all.

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Speaker 1: So everything is going great, and you just even with

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Speaker 1: in now, what high school?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I'm in high school.

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Speaker 4: I kind of well, I graduate high school, I go

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Speaker 4: I go to cosmetology school, then I go to dog

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Speaker 4: I passed the Briton but my model at the time

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Speaker 4: needed to retake it and I kind of just didn't

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Speaker 4: and that's where I met my first boyfriend that I

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Speaker 4: really lived with. And he was with me when I

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Speaker 2: Okay, so how old were you.

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Speaker 4: I was twenty four years old when I met John.

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Speaker 1: So still very young venturing out on your own kind

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Speaker 4: No, And then I was also living in Vegas when

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Speaker 4: I was twenty four, and I had a house, like

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Speaker 1: Your mom marries John, when do you first start to

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Speaker 1: kind of notice this guy's not who he says or

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Speaker 1: there's just something not right.

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Speaker 4: First my sister was calling me. She was telling me,

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Speaker 4: I don't like this guy. This guy seeing sketch, he

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Speaker 4: seems like he's in this stuff, Tara, And so I

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Speaker 4: was already hearing that, And that was around one to

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Speaker 3: But I didn't know that at.

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Speaker 4: The time, and I don't know if she even knew

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Speaker 3: He's alone, My mom.

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Speaker 4: Is upstairs coming downstairs, and he's trying to get the

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Speaker 2: All right, So let me ask you about your sister.

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Speaker 2: I have four sisters. One of them Shelley.

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Speaker 1: She may just walk up to me and tell me

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Speaker 1: if she has closed that door to somebody, you can

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Speaker 1: take it to the bank.

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Speaker 2: They're no good. So when your sister is telling.

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Speaker 1: You, hey, this guy's kind of sketchy, there's something not right.

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Speaker 4: I took it as my sister had a lot of

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Speaker 4: issues with my mom's other boyfriends. I think that at times,

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Speaker 4: calling it out like, hey, this is something that shouldn't

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Speaker 1: Learning okay, So behaviors of John where your mom was

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't want this for us in a relationship.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and no, in a sense where it was with John,

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Speaker 4: my sister saw something in him. But you can't just say, okay,

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Speaker 4: what's an ec you know where Now if someone said

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Speaker 1: I understand that part. Now, I get what you're saying. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm Southern obviously, and we're y'all be polite, Be polite,

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Speaker 2: You feel like it.

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Speaker 1: We weren't raised that way, so I get what you're

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Speaker 1: What was happening that you did confront your mom about

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Speaker 4: So the second time that I came out to California

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, where's his stuff? Mom?

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Speaker 4: And then she came up with this big, elaborate story

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Speaker 4: So I'm thinking, hmmm, that's weird. My insurance when stuff

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Speaker 3: Help him. He doesn't have a car.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it wasn't adding up. I asked the hairdresser,

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Speaker 4: how there was just something up with him, basically like

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Speaker 3: So I kind of was saying.

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Speaker 4: I was in the doorway saying that to my mom,

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Speaker 4: a full form. He set it back to me full form.

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Speaker 4: He told me that I only wanted my mom for

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Speaker 4: I told him, no, that that's what you want, John,

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Speaker 4: And then I was packing up my stuck. No one

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Speaker 4: and he said, well, you know, this isn't right. There's

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Speaker 3: But we ended up.

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Speaker 4: Leaving and I didn't talk to my mom after thought

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Speaker 1: There's one aspect of this that's pretty powerful for me.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's really a powerful moment when Jimmy

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And Jimmy was so great, he was so easy,

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Speaker 1: So things move on and what starts to happen. Do

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Speaker 4: That was really the last time I had any interaction

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Speaker 4: how Christmas was gonna be. We had the whole Christmas

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Speaker 3: I was having the problem.

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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, this is the Christmas right after the

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Speaker 1: So you do have some support, You've got some family going, Yes,

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Speaker 3: Yes, but not at first.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that fabulous? And you're sitting there going, I must

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Speaker 2: I'm just so sorry for all of it. And I

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Speaker 1: My mom, and you know she should be taking my

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Speaker 2: You said it's so cute when you said he said

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Speaker 1: As a mom, I mean, you would just instinctively almost

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Speaker 1: I know there's all this dynamic going on and you're

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Speaker 4: After Christmas? My family hires the private investigator. But it's

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Speaker 4: then John weaseled his way back in because he was

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Speaker 4: these lawyers told her that what we found was different.

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Speaker 3: John Woolman, Oh, but.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because I'm doing your research. Now, there is

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Speaker 3: There are even doctors.

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Speaker 1: Oh there's no question there might be another one. I laughed,

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I want to go back at

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Speaker 1: Honey, did you get the same feeling when you heard

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Speaker 2: Because here's what I'm thinking. He takes the.

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Speaker 1: Kidnap somebody knocks them out, kidnaps them, ties them up,

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, honestly, Okay, So I can't tell you all

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Speaker 4: this stuff that I'm figuring now, well, I can just

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Speaker 4: this guy was so evil and I don't know why

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense, of course, unbelievable. Okay, so now

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Speaker 4: It was weird because I had the feelings she would

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Speaker 4: That's what your brain's telling me to do.

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Speaker 3: In back.

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Speaker 4: Your brain's telling you, hey, you need this person. You're

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Speaker 4: this person in order to reproduce, even if you're at

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Speaker 1: Okay, so now they're even closer to you all the time.

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Speaker 4: I'm now moved out of Vegas because me and my

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Speaker 4: She hires a private investigator herself, and then she comes

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Speaker 2: What in the world is that about.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's because he's an addict and he needed his

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Speaker 4: And so he literally can hurt himself, can do that

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Speaker 1: So he self harms so that he can get pain

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Speaker 4: So he could go to the hospital, gets stitched up

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Speaker 4: And so when my mom saw that, when we saw that,

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Speaker 2: That's straight out of the playbook.

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Speaker 4: So they actually dismissed that because my mom gives them

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Speaker 3: He was hits.

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Speaker 4: So they are just like, okay, they pushed that to

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Speaker 1: Yep, he definitely definitely has the playbook. So again he's

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and he's also just trying to make her

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Speaker 1: Okay, So in some way, was he blaming you and

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Speaker 1: y'all as like they're supporting her leaving me, They're telling

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Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Maybe for my sister one hundred percent, But to my

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Speaker 4: I told my mom, I said, I would be willing

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Speaker 4: to talk to John. I'll be willing to work it

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Speaker 4: out with him. And that's what I kind of kept

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Speaker 1: he did at Christmas. So you're saying, hey, I will

441
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: sit down with him today so that she can clearly

442
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: see he's the one that won't come to the table.

443
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: That was smart, thank you, and that never happened.

444
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 2: I'm sure and tell the day.

445
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 4: That he came and attacked me. But I don't think

446
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 4: she was really there for a conversation. Why I know

447
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 4: he wasn't.

448
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, honey, I'm pretty sure he was not there for

449
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 2: a conversation too. Yeah.

450
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, No, he had like eleven knives in his chalunky and.

451
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 1: I'm like what, And didn't he have the knife hidden

452
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 1: in a Dorito's bag or something del taco bag.

453
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 3: And adell tacabou?

454
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 2: I guess, okay, so tell us what happened. You're in

455
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: your parking lot at your apartment.

456
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: Yes, So I actually get home a little bit early

457
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 4: because I'm trying to go to the Jason Alten concert

458
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: that night. I get off work early and I'm driving back.

459
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 4: And because he also was a no show for that

460
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 4: appointment for the two Robesian ridgebacks, That's why I was

461
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 4: actually able to get off work early. So he messed

462
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 4: up my schedule about that wasn't his plan.

463
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 3: But I was going home. I pull into the gate.

464
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: The gate is broken.

465
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 4: I noticed that my dog is barking and he's barking

466
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 4: at this person that I thought was an unhoused person,

467
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: and I tell I tell Cash to knock it off,

468
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 4: and then Cash just knocks it off. I get out

469
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 4: of my car, I grabbed Cash, and then I walk

470
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 4: around by my license plate and then that's when John

471
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,960
Speaker 4: grabbed me by the waist, looks me in the eyes

472
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 4: and says, do you remember me. I immediately tried to run away.

473
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 4: I was unable to disconnect from him. That's when he

474
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 4: started punching me what I thought was punching me. Well,

475
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 4: actually he first tried to cover my mouth because I

476
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: was screaming to try to gain attention and yell for help.

477
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 4: And then I bit him as hard as I could,

478
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 4: and that's when I think he got mad, and that's

479
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 4: when he started what I thought was punching me in

480
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 4: the chest, but he was really stabbing me. And the

481
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 4: knife is an adult taco bag, so I could just

482
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: feel like pressure and then looking back, I did feel

483
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 4: little bit of a sting in the chest. And then

484
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 4: he also gets me in my forearm because I put

485
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 4: up my purse to try to protect most of my chest,

486
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 4: and that's when he got me directly in the forearm

487
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 4: and that one was like an inch deep and an

488
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,239
Speaker 4: inch wide. My dog is biting his ankles. I end

489
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 4: up falling on my back. I scraped my shoulder pretty badly.

490
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 4: And then I'm just on like my back and my

491
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: legs are kind of up in the air like I'm

492
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 4: bicycle kicking him, and his forearm is coming down. And

493
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 4: at this point I do see the knife. The knife

494
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: is a parent and I'm just trying to kick his

495
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 4: form so that it.

496
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 3: Doesn't come down on me.

497
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 4: I'm able to kick his forearm at one moment with

498
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 4: my boots. I was wearing boots from working at the

499
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 4: kennel that day of like rain boots, so that did

500
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 4: have a benefit to my attack as well. And my

501
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 4: dog's attacking his ankle still in back of him, And

502
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 4: when I make that one kick, it makes the knife

503
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 4: land exactly to my right hand side in the ice

504
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 4: picked position. I pick it up and I just start

505
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: willing on him, and I still to this day like

506
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 4: I have to dig deep and dive. But I felt

507
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: like I was stabbing him in the forefront of his chest,

508
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 4: but I was actually overthrowing it into his back shoulders

509
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 4: in a sense, and that's where he had eleven stablings

510
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: from me, and he gasped and he started to fall

511
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 4: on top of me, so I held his head. I

512
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: also watched a lot of Walking Dead, so I amend it.

513
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 4: I kind of mimicked it like a zombie kill. And

514
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: so I'm folding his head. I give the second to

515
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: the last one like right above in his forehead, so

516
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: that I'm going for his brain. And then the last

517
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 4: one is to the eye, which is the softest point

518
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 4: of entry to the brain. And then that's the one

519
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 4: that made him brain dead, where he couldn't get up

520
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 4: get me. And then I push him off of me,

521
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: and I just take the knife. I tossed it away

522
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: from the body so that he couldn't get up Freddy

523
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 4: cougar mean. And then I start to assess the situation.

524
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: I noticed that I'm bleeding out of my forearm, so

525
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 4: I immediately start to apply pressure to slow down the

526
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 4: bleeding to the forearm.

527
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 3: And then I.

528
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 4: Don't notice like bleeding anywhere else, but I was actually

529
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 4: I did have a stab one in my chest. I

530
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 4: just didn't notice it, and it was only like a

531
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: couple of centimeters. And then I had a superficial slice

532
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,680
Speaker 4: to the face where literally graced me like a paper cut.

533
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: So I was extremely lucky with that one. That one

534
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 4: actually cleared up within a couple of days. At this time,

535
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 4: my dog was eating the Del Taco. Then soone comes up,

536
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: she has her dog, and she asked me what can

537
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 4: I do? I asked her just to grab my dog

538
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 4: because I'm afraid that maybe the Del Taco has some

539
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 4: poison in it because I'm always with my dog, so

540
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 4: that would have been something to kind of sedate my

541
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 4: dog in a way. That's when other people started coming up.

542
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 4: This guy on a bicycle with dreads, he came up.

543
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 4: He gave me his sweater. Then Skyler, the fourteen year

544
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 4: old lifeguard, she came up. She told me, Hi, I'm Skyler.

545
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: I'm trained to handle this type of situation. What's her

546
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 4: Vain started asking me questions. We had the same birthday.

547
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: And then that's when the guy went over to resuscitate

548
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: John and I started freaking out. So I tried to

549
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: get away from him, go down the hill because there

550
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 4: was a ramp. I went down the ramp and at

551
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: that time, there is some footage out there where you

552
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,320
Speaker 4: see me just like folding my stab wound, and she's

553
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 4: walking me down the ramp. Then she goes and she

554
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 4: gets my phone, and then I start making calls. I

555
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 4: call my mom, I tell her I'm so sorry. I

556
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: think I killed your husband. I knew that she would

557
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: do this. And then I also called my Eggs and

558
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: I told him that he walked and stuff, which he didn't.

559
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 4: He was just in a bad cell reception area because

560
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 4: he was filming bar rescue. And then I tried to

561
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 4: call my friend that I was going to a concert with,

562
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 4: but that's when he stopped me and there, like Newmark,

563
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 4: phone falls.

564
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 1: Bless your heart, Tara, this is quite a testimony, Honey,

565
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I know you said you were

566
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna come and tell it and you were gonna be

567
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 1: just wide open with it. But Honey, I am so

568
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 1: sorry all of this had to happen. It's an unbelievable

569
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: situation that you were put in by a straight up

570
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: wanna be killer. Would have been a killer had not

571
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: been for the actions of you. I gotta tell you now,

572
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Cash Cash is kind of gangster though. Now Cash is

573
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: gonna attack that man and then eat his food.

574
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: I love me some Cash.

575
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: Well.

576
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 4: I think it was a nervous system response where he

577
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 4: just finally thought with this is town.

578
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 2: Of course, then now.

579
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 4: His body's thinking, oh, why might need a gear up

580
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 4: for the next time, and what kind of dog he

581
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 4: was a mini Australian shepherd.

582
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: Shout out to that breed. So let's talk about happier times.

583
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: Tell us whatever you want us to know right now

584
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: about your projects and what you're doing.

585
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

586
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: So I had a really great project with Call Your

587
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 4: Landry called the Survivor Squad podcast that was for survivor stories.

588
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: That's no longer happening. However, it has really inspired me

589
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 4: to do other projects with other survivors. I have a

590
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: podcasting course where I honestly I kind of teach other

591
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 4: podcasters and other survivors how to create their own story

592
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 4: if they want to create their story into.

593
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,919
Speaker 3: A podcast, or if they have a podcast.

594
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: That's in the truth by niche to make it more

595
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: at the full and victim centric in a sense. So

596
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 4: I have that going on and very passionate about that.

597
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 4: And also one of my survivors, my clients, my friends,

598
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,360
Speaker 4: she is coming out with a podcast and I'm she

599
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 4: changed the name of it. It was from Dreamgirl to

600
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 4: From Hell to I have to get the name of

601
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:23,280
Speaker 4: it for her, but she is amazing. Her name is Alan,

602
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 4: but I'm really excited for her because she has literally

603
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 4: transformed her story into something that is just amazing. Oh okay,

604
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: So the podcast is called When Heaven Meets Hell, and

605
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 4: so I'm excited for one of my survivors, clients and

606
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,919
Speaker 4: friends to get her story out there. And then I'm

607
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 4: also working on my own project right now to put

608
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 4: the story to rest in my own words, and then

609
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 4: that might be like a documentary and hopefully a movie

610
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 4: or a scripted series again, and then a book and

611
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 4: then a podcast and just be done, all done with

612
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 4: it so that I can really move on with my

613
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: life and not have that lingering and making me triggered.

614
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: Like today, I'm probably well, I'm going to go to

615
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: yoga after this. I'm going to depressed. But it really

616
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 4: takes me a while to decompressed after I talk about

617
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 4: the attack. And if I want to have kids, I

618
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 4: don't want my kids to be affected.

619
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 2: By understood yep. And you know that's something that is

620
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 2: so good. And I'll go back to my sister Shelley.

621
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: She talks about self care all the time, and that

622
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: was not a term that I was ever familiar with.

623
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: But she does a lot with first responders and nurses

624
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: and doctors where you know, sometimes you may not even

625
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: realize that you have taken on some trauma because.

626
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: Of what you dealing with in your job.

627
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 1: For you, your trauma is part of your life. And

628
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: here's the thing that I think is important. Again, you

629
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: are using it for good. It is not like you

630
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: wake up every day and you're like, Okay, well I'm

631
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: a victim of a stab and you've got projects to

632
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: work on. You've got a lot of things that you

633
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: are helping people with. You are training people, and you're

634
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 1: making the world better. And I think anything we can

635
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: do to support you, all you need to do is

636
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: say the word honey, and we will promote and support

637
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: and assist in any way we can anything that you

638
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: want to say. If there's a last thing, if there's

639
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: a wrap up, if there's something you want to promote,

640
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: you just tell me what that is right now and

641
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: we'll go down that road as a wrap up.

642
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 3: Thank you.

643
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:57,479
Speaker 4: So I'm really excited to help survivors in every way

644
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: possible and also other creators more ethical. But I also

645
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 4: take three fifteen minute calls if anyone who just means advice,

646
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 4: wants resources and they don't have the financial means. Because

647
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 4: I believe that healing should be available to everyone. I

648
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 4: also do one on one client calls, but we also

649
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: have to be a great fit for each other because

650
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 4: I want to make sure that I'm going to help

651
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: you heal and that is going to be a thing

652
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 4: instead of just kind of like taking.

653
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,760
Speaker 3: Your money and being like, yeah, I want another client.

654
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that.

655
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,439
Speaker 4: I'm going to actually be beneficial to you other than

656
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 4: trigger you in any ways. Because I have had clients

657
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,879
Speaker 4: where say, their daughter has come to me and I

658
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 4: can't take on that client because of their feelings towards

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Speaker 4: their mother, and then it goes towards me. So I

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Speaker 4: had to tell clients, you know, I don't think that

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Speaker 4: we're necessarily the best fit, that here are other people.

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Speaker 4: Just check out words, you have other resources available to you.

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Speaker 4: I always make sure that there's a.

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Speaker 1: Plan remarkable, and you know, it is so important to

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Speaker 1: have folks like you out there that are ethical and

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Speaker 1: that can help train the rest of us. Because I

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Speaker 1: know Carrie Rawson has before had to message me and go, hey, Mac,

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Speaker 1: you went a little hard on the suspect you didn't

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Speaker 1: say allegedly.

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Speaker 2: Or anything.

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Speaker 1: So it's nice to sometimes have somebody check you to say, hey,

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Speaker 1: he may have done it, but you know, approach it

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Speaker 1: this way, or don't forget about the victim when you're

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Speaker 1: saying you know this or that about a case. So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it, Tara, all of it, for what you

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Speaker 1: do for all of us in this business, for both

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Speaker 1: of my jobs, because again I cannot be reminded enough

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Speaker 1: to be victim centered in everything I do, so I

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Speaker 1: appreciate you for that.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you.

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Speaker 4: I just I think that what you do is amazing

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Speaker 4: to with helping missing people and their cases, that is

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Speaker 4: so great.

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Speaker 3: And then I just got to say every year, well.

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Speaker 4: If I go back to crying fund, I don't know

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Speaker 4: if I'll go back, But that's another story for another time.

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Speaker 4: But you are always the hallwreck rereader and it's just

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Speaker 4: great to meet and really connect.

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Speaker 3: With your energy.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, y'all.

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Speaker 1: I am gonna end Zone seven the way that I

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Speaker 1: always do with a quote. The principle of self defense,

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Speaker 1: even involving weapons and bloodshed, has never been condemned, even

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Speaker 1: by Gandhi Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. I'm Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 1: and this is Zone seven.

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Speaker 4: Can wrote at