WEBVTT - America’s Maternal Mortality Crisis, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Hi everyone, I'm Katie Couric, and welcome to Next Question Today,

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<v Speaker 1>part two of our look at America's maternal mortality crisis.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't listened to Part one, I highly recommend

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<v Speaker 1>you start there. In it, we heard the devastating story

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<v Speaker 1>of how one mother, Kira Johnson, became a part of

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<v Speaker 1>a shameful statistic that between seven hundred and nine hundred

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<v Speaker 1>American women die every year from pregnancy and childbirth related causes,

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<v Speaker 1>and six of those deaths, including Kira's, could have been prevented.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's Kira's husband, Charles Johnson. What happened to Kira was

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<v Speaker 1>not just a medical tragedy with a medical catastrophe. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>that could have went wrong, in fact did so. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only did that doctor failed Kira, but the hospital, in

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<v Speaker 1>their policies and procedures, failed her. We learned that structural

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<v Speaker 1>issues like racism and sexism, as well as an increase

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<v Speaker 1>in medical interventions during labor, have led to more women

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<v Speaker 1>dying from pregnancy and childbirth today than they did thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, a fact that makes the US the only

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<v Speaker 1>country in the developed world to see its maternal mortality

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<v Speaker 1>rate go up today. In Part two, we tackle my

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<v Speaker 1>next question, what is being done to better protect American

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<v Speaker 1>mothers from becoming a part of that horrifying statistic. She

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<v Speaker 1>was told it was a fluke, And here I was

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<v Speaker 1>looking at these data points and saying she wasn't a fluke.

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<v Speaker 1>She was actually part of a really important trend that

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<v Speaker 1>has not been covered in the US. For investigative reporter

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<v Speaker 1>Nina Martin, this question is a personal one. In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand and fifteen, when she and her team at Pro

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<v Speaker 1>Publica began reporting their Lost Mother's Project, an investigation into

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<v Speaker 1>maternal mortality, they found an alarming statistic that, in addition

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<v Speaker 1>to the deaths, there are fifty thousand women who nearly

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<v Speaker 1>die every year from pregnancy and childbirth related issues. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're not talking about like they have gestational diabetes and

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<v Speaker 1>then they cut back on you know whatever, um, the

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of sugar, the ice cream that they ate

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<v Speaker 1>in pregnancy and then everything is okay. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>women who, you know, go to the hospital and go

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<v Speaker 1>into cardiac arrest. We're talking about women who nearly bleed out.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about women who have life threatening um infections

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<v Speaker 1>that keep them hospitalized for weeks. And UM, that was

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<v Speaker 1>really super interesting to me both because of the size

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<v Speaker 1>um again, which really was not what people were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about in the parenting magazine world that I had spent

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<v Speaker 1>some time in. But it also really connected with me

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<v Speaker 1>on a personal level because my sister had um given birth.

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<v Speaker 1>I've I've three sisters, three yeah, and um the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>of five. Nina Martin's sister Meal had given birth to

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<v Speaker 1>a boy named Aiden in Texas in two thousand. She

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<v Speaker 1>and her husband both had good jobs. She was a paralegal,

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<v Speaker 1>he was a lawyer, and they had access to good

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<v Speaker 1>health care. She was very healthy, had a really good pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 1>and she nearly died after in her postpartum period she

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<v Speaker 1>had to very severe infections, one of which was they've

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<v Speaker 1>caught and fixed in the hospital, and the second one

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<v Speaker 1>which nearly killed her. And I remember going and trying

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<v Speaker 1>to help out at the time and how freaked out

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<v Speaker 1>everybody was, and then it was kind of over. People

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<v Speaker 1>said to her, you know, oh, well, you know this

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<v Speaker 1>never happened to anybody. We have no idea that we've

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<v Speaker 1>never seen anything like this before. And and also, um,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, you're a little head about it, because you're

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<v Speaker 1>fine now and your baby's fine, and go home and

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<v Speaker 1>live your life and be happy that everything's okay. And

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<v Speaker 1>so her experience was completely erased. Being a professional athlete,

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<v Speaker 1>I just thought that will never happen to me. Olympic

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<v Speaker 1>runner Alison Felix became one of the fifty thousand women

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<v Speaker 1>who nearly died from pregnancy related complications in two thousand eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>During her pregnancy, she was diagnosed with severe preclampsia, a

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<v Speaker 1>condition characterized by high blood pressure that puts mothers at

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<v Speaker 1>risk for stroke, among other things. The only cure for

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<v Speaker 1>severe cases like Allison's is to get the baby out.

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<v Speaker 1>So it just thirty two weeks she had to deliver

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<v Speaker 1>her daughter, Cameron, via emergency c section. It happened so

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<v Speaker 1>fast she didn't even realize how much danger she was

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<v Speaker 1>in during and after the birth. My family was definitely

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<v Speaker 1>very concerned, and I think that they were even more

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<v Speaker 1>concerned than I was, because obviously all of my attention

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<v Speaker 1>was on Cameron, and I was consumed with how she

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<v Speaker 1>was doing and all of that. Um But I was

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<v Speaker 1>still having issues with my blood pressure and we were

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<v Speaker 1>still trying to get that to be at a manageable level,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was still in the hospital for several days.

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<v Speaker 1>After both Cameron and I were together, UM and uh

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<v Speaker 1>for several weeks. I was still trying to regulate my

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<v Speaker 1>own blood pressure. Today, both Alison and Cameron are happy

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<v Speaker 1>and healthy, but the six time Olympic gold medalists is

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<v Speaker 1>determined to not let her experience be erased. In May

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<v Speaker 1>of two thousand nineteen, she testified at a House Ways

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<v Speaker 1>and Means committee hearing about racial disparities in the maternal

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<v Speaker 1>mortality crisis. First, let me welcome this Alison Felix, United

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<v Speaker 1>States Track and Field star, nine time Olympic medalists, going

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<v Speaker 1>through this experience, UM, and just feeling so scared as

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<v Speaker 1>I went through it all. That was really the turning

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<v Speaker 1>point from me and talking to girl friends and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>just feeling like my friends are not even educated, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on this topic. It really pushed me to share my story.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a person who is, you know, more private, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it was definitely something that was out of my

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<v Speaker 1>comfort zone. My name is Alison Felix, and I am

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron's mom, and I would like to share the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the two most terrifying days of my life. What's

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<v Speaker 1>scary about Allison's story is that she didn't realize anything

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<v Speaker 1>was wrong until everything went very wrong. I had a

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<v Speaker 1>really great pregnancy. I was I knew I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>come back to compete, so I was training. I was

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much training four or five days a week. I

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<v Speaker 1>was on the track, um, in the gym, in the pool,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, really intentional with the idea that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was going to resume right back onto the track.

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<v Speaker 1>And at thirty two weeks, I went into the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and I was just going for my routine checkup and

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<v Speaker 1>so went in and immediately when I came in, I

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<v Speaker 1>found out that I was spelling protein. And from there,

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<v Speaker 1>my doctor sent me straight to the hospital or further monitoring,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, it was not going well what they were seeing,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I was admitted right away and I spent

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<v Speaker 1>that night in the hospital. And that's when things really

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<v Speaker 1>started to go downhill. You know, I was diagnosed with

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<v Speaker 1>a severe case of pre clampsia, and um my blood

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<v Speaker 1>pressure was through the roof, and you know, the baby

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<v Speaker 1>was not doing well, and things happened just so quickly,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was trying to wrap my head around what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening and trying to understand what was happening, and UM,

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<v Speaker 1>from there after that evening the next day, it continued

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<v Speaker 1>to get worse, and UM, we realized that it was

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency situation and that the only way out of

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<v Speaker 1>it was to have an emergency c section and to deliver.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was terrifying, you know, it was so far

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<v Speaker 1>from what my birth plan was and UM, just trying

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<v Speaker 1>to understand, you know, what was really going on camera.

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<v Speaker 1>Just three pounds seven ounces when she was born and

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<v Speaker 1>was taken to the Nick you right away, where she

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<v Speaker 1>would stay for a month. But in addition to worrying

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<v Speaker 1>about her PREMI day in and day out, Allison also

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<v Speaker 1>had to heal from her own trauma. It was honestly

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult. UM, all of my energy and all of

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<v Speaker 1>my focus was really trying to be in the Nick

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<v Speaker 1>seven and I was so concerned with everything that was

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<v Speaker 1>happening with Cameron that UM, I felt very low on

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<v Speaker 1>that list. UM. If it wasn't for my support system,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know what if I would have

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<v Speaker 1>taken so much care for myself. But my family really

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<v Speaker 1>stepped up and UM, you know, made sure that I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, going to doctor's appointments, making sure that I

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<v Speaker 1>was taking my medication UM because I was still dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with the blood pressure even well after I was released

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<v Speaker 1>from the hospital. So having um other people helped me

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<v Speaker 1>was um enormous Because as I was spending you know,

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<v Speaker 1>night and day in the nick, you you could see

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<v Speaker 1>how someone without means, without a support system, without good

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<v Speaker 1>doctors or attentive doctors, could really fall through the cracks,

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<v Speaker 1>can't you so easily? I mean, and I didn't deal

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<v Speaker 1>with any postpartum depression, but I just kept thinking, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>if that had kicked in as well, UM, how could

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<v Speaker 1>this have been manageable. It's just so much that it

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<v Speaker 1>can feel overwhelming, and so my heart goes out to

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<v Speaker 1>those two women who have to, you know, deal with

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<v Speaker 1>these extra things on top of having a newborn in

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<v Speaker 1>so many changes within your body. One of the biggest

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<v Speaker 1>reasons Alison has turned to advocacy is she wants to

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<v Speaker 1>get the message out her story can be anyone's story. Frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's something she wished she had known leading up. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that I was not UM prepared enough. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't told what to look out for. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>told that I was at risk UM, and so That's

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<v Speaker 1>something that I wish had gone differently. You know. I

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<v Speaker 1>think had I known beforehand what to look out for, um,

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<v Speaker 1>just that I was at risk, then I could have

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped my head more around, you know, a possible stay

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nike You and what that means and kind

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these things. But it was it was

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<v Speaker 1>terrifying to have to go through this ordeal and straight

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<v Speaker 1>into you know, I was still dealing with the symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>UM and the after effects of what I had been through,

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<v Speaker 1>and straight into now my daughters in the nick You

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<v Speaker 1>and what does life there look like? And I'm trying

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<v Speaker 1>to manage all of that as well. And when you

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<v Speaker 1>say you were at risk, what made you at risk

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<v Speaker 1>for this? Just being a black woman? That made me

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<v Speaker 1>at risk? And that is something that I didn't understand before.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I had heard. But I know, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>professional athlete, you know, I trained for a living, I'm healthy,

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<v Speaker 1>I know how to eat right. I exercised throughout my ignancy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was um wanting to have this beautiful natural birth,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I just didn't think it would be me,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, And that is just such a misconception that um,

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to bring awareness to that women of

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<v Speaker 1>color are at risk. According to the Agency for Healthcare Research,

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<v Speaker 1>black women are at least fifty more likely to experience

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<v Speaker 1>preclampsia than white women. The effects are also more severe

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<v Speaker 1>and present earlier than in other races. Did your doctor

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<v Speaker 1>ever even mentioned the term preclampsia? I don't recall, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>having that conversation, and so that's pretty scary looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would have loved to know, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the symptoms. These are things that you really

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<v Speaker 1>should pay attention to UM and just be on the

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<v Speaker 1>lookout for. Well, tell us what those are, because I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like people listening can learn from your experience. So

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<v Speaker 1>what are some of the symptoms swelling? Swelling is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>one of the big ones. But I think what makes

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<v Speaker 1>it also scary is that sometimes you don't have any symptoms,

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<v Speaker 1>and so I really feel like I fell into that category.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the swelling was one thing, but other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt really good, and so that is really scary.

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<v Speaker 1>But UM headaches can be a symptom along you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the swelling. UM also rapid weight gain, UM, vomiting. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are some things to be on the lookout for,

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<v Speaker 1>but really more than anything consistent, your consistent healthcare. Because

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<v Speaker 1>once you go in to have your appointment and you

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<v Speaker 1>see that you're spelling protein, that is an indicator, um,

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<v Speaker 1>right there, that something is not right. Spelling protein means

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<v Speaker 1>protein in your urine, so there's successive amounts of it

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<v Speaker 1>and your urine. It's interesting, do they understand why Black

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<v Speaker 1>women are at higher risk other than just the sheer

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<v Speaker 1>no bursts of women who experienced preclampsia. Yes, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm far from an expert on this, but from my understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what we need more research to be done,

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<v Speaker 1>um and to be able to understand because some of

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<v Speaker 1>the contributing factors that we know about, you know, not

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<v Speaker 1>having as high of healthcare, we're seeing this happen in

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<v Speaker 1>really privileged black women. Beyonce reveals for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>the harrowing emergency she had while pregnant with twins in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand seventeen. Beyonce also suffered preclampsia during her pregnancy

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<v Speaker 1>and had to deliver her twins via emergency C section.

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<v Speaker 1>Tenn's great Serena Williams with baby Alexis Olympia shares her

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<v Speaker 1>harrowing ordeal for Serena Williams, it was something else Entirely

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<v Speaker 1>after giving birth via emergency C section, Serena had to

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<v Speaker 1>beg staff to take her pain and her understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>her own body seriously. She nearly died first of a

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<v Speaker 1>blood clot and then a hemorrhage. If Serena Williams struggles

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<v Speaker 1>to be heard, it's clear this isn't just a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of access to good care. I think a big factor

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<v Speaker 1>in it, as well as having to advocate for your

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<v Speaker 1>own for yourself UM. For some reason, either the tolerance

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<v Speaker 1>of pain or black women's pain in general is not believed,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is something that has to change. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think racism played a role in your your experience looking back,

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<v Speaker 1>I it's really hard to pinpoint, but I think that

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<v Speaker 1>there might have been some of that implicit uh bye

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<v Speaker 1>is going on in my UM doctor's appointments previously. Really

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<v Speaker 1>why you know, do you think that that the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>whoever your doctor was, was educating, say, a white patient.

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<v Speaker 1>More about this, I think when when I look back,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it definitely wasn't outright, that was not my

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<v Speaker 1>situation at all. But the fact that I that this

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a conversation that I wasn't discussed, especially as you said,

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<v Speaker 1>since you were at greater risk. Yes, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>every woman of color you know immediately that you should

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<v Speaker 1>be sat down and explained that you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>something you're at risk for. Do you think had you

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<v Speaker 1>not had the resources that you have, had you not

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<v Speaker 1>been an Olympic athlete, had you not been able to

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<v Speaker 1>get the best medical care possible, that there's a chance

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<v Speaker 1>that you might not be here. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>possibility for sure. And that is what really is scary

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And that's what really wanted me to open

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<v Speaker 1>up and to share my experience in my story, because

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like, you know, I had the best of

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<v Speaker 1>the best, you know, and I still ended up in

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<v Speaker 1>a situation that was really scary and that we weren't

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<v Speaker 1>sure about. And if I'm experiencing this, someone who might

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<v Speaker 1>not have the best of health care, or might not

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<v Speaker 1>have even been heard to the level that I was,

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<v Speaker 1>might not have made it. When we come back how

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<v Speaker 1>some states are managing to turn their maternal mortality rates around.

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<v Speaker 1>In Part one, we met Deborah Bingham, a registered nurse

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<v Speaker 1>with a doctorate in public health who spent her career

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<v Speaker 1>focusing on improving the health of moms and babies. In

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six, as the founding executive director of

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<v Speaker 1>California's first Maternal Quality Care Collaborative, Deborah learned that California's

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<v Speaker 1>maternal mortality rate had actually been going up. We then

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<v Speaker 1>sought permission to talk about this in small groups. As

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<v Speaker 1>we went around organizing the California Maternal Quality Care Collaborative,

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<v Speaker 1>I would hear gaps in the room from the clinicians

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<v Speaker 1>in that space, so that would be physicians, registered nurses,

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<v Speaker 1>and midwives who were running hospitals leading uh and also

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<v Speaker 1>public health leaders literally gasping at this was brandon news.

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody had expected this. We did not think that it

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<v Speaker 1>would be on our watch that we would see this rise.

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<v Speaker 1>Deborah and her committee of experts reviewed three years of

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<v Speaker 1>maternal deaths that occurred in the state, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things they found was that death by hemorrhage could

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<v Speaker 1>often be prevented. We found that there was quite a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of denial and delay had led to these deaths,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that women were not um the severity of the

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<v Speaker 1>hemorrhage was not recognized early enough. They We're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>blood early enough, which is life saving. Obviously and um

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<v Speaker 1>and so a lot of our efforts became around how

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<v Speaker 1>to eliminate this denial and delay, how to better recognize hemorrhages,

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<v Speaker 1>how to better prepare. What Debora ultimately did was to

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<v Speaker 1>help create a standardized action plan to help tackle potentially

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<v Speaker 1>fatal complications like hemorrhage. Debora refers to these plans as

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<v Speaker 1>quality improvement toolkits or safety bundles. They can be implemented

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<v Speaker 1>in hospitals in different ways, but they typically include a

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<v Speaker 1>checklist of the four rs or steps to improve readiness, recognition, response,

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<v Speaker 1>and reporting so that women receive life saving medications and

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<v Speaker 1>treatments in time. In addition to the hemorrhage safety Bundle,

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<v Speaker 1>there's also one for preclampsia and reduction of C sections.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think my years of being in a frontline

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<v Speaker 1>position in the hospitals and actually running hospitals and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>how busy you are in those in those roles, helped

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<v Speaker 1>me put together a model that would be very practical,

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<v Speaker 1>uh and also just kind of cut through a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of cripheral information and what would it take to actually

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<v Speaker 1>really save lives and what did people really need to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Safety bundles also include preparation protocols like running simulation drills

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<v Speaker 1>and huddling with staff and family as the mother is

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<v Speaker 1>being admitted to the hospital to assess possible risks she

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<v Speaker 1>may have. California is one of the only states that

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<v Speaker 1>has seen a rise in maternal mortality and also a

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<v Speaker 1>decrease in fact um. Their data shows that in a

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<v Speaker 1>five year period UH that there was about a fifty

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<v Speaker 1>decrease in pregnant in maternal mortality, and that was unbelievably

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<v Speaker 1>unexpected that we would see that decrease so quickly. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand and six, California's maternal mortality rate was

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<v Speaker 1>just shy of seventeen deaths per one thousand live births. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>that number, according to an investigation by USA Today, has

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<v Speaker 1>dropped to four deaths in one hundred thousand. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest maternal mortality rate in the country, and now other

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<v Speaker 1>states are trying to follow suit. New Jersey has one

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest national rates, at thirty six point two

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<v Speaker 1>deaths per one hundred thousand live births. Deborah Bingham has

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<v Speaker 1>joined a team in New Jersey to turn that around.

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<v Speaker 1>The initiative, launched in two thousand nineteen is called Nurture

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. New Jersey is the medicine cabinet of America

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<v Speaker 1>and has some of the finest hospital systems in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. First Lady Tammy Murphy is the driving force

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<v Speaker 1>behind this new initiative. So my naive assumption was that

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<v Speaker 1>this all centered around access to prenatal care. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it became immediately clear after going on a listening to

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<v Speaker 1>her all around the state and speaking with all stakeholders,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they be the hospital systems, foundations, nurses, dulas, midwives,

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<v Speaker 1>any stakeholders who were out there, that the problem was

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<v Speaker 1>much more complicated than I had assumed. Um, the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is truly if you're going to look at this, it's

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<v Speaker 1>systemic racism and implicit bias, and it brings in all

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<v Speaker 1>the social determinants of health. And so our goal is

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<v Speaker 1>to uh not only reduce maternal mortality by over five years,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also to eliminate racial disparities and birth outcomes.

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy Murphy says, despite the new challenges posed by the

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus pandemic, the work of Nurture New Jersey continues, and

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<v Speaker 1>considering the fact that racial health disparities have only been

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<v Speaker 1>exacerbated by the spread of COVID nineteen. She says this

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<v Speaker 1>work is more relevant and necessary than ever. There's good

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<v Speaker 1>news for pregnant women and mothers all over the country.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of two thousand eighteen, Congress passed groundbreaking

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<v Speaker 1>legislation called the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act. The law addresses

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<v Speaker 1>one of the fundamental problems at the heart of the crisis,

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<v Speaker 1>the severe lack of reliable data about what actually kills

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<v Speaker 1>American mothers. That was a very important piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that Congress passed. Again, Nina Martin, the set aside a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of money for states to create maternal mortality review committees,

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<v Speaker 1>to standardize them UM, to make them much more robust,

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<v Speaker 1>much more helpful, um much more efficient than they have

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<v Speaker 1>been in the past. That's really incredibly important. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of states when we started this process didn't even have

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<v Speaker 1>maternal mortality committees, and now almost all of them do.

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<v Speaker 1>The ones that did have them have UM improved to them,

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<v Speaker 1>and so that's a that's a huge change. We're learning

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<v Speaker 1>so much from that process. Some states are also trying

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<v Speaker 1>to tackle the issue of insurance Medicaid finances. Nearly half

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<v Speaker 1>of all births in the United States, Yet new mothers

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<v Speaker 1>on Medicaid are only guaranteed care for two months after

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<v Speaker 1>they deliver. What states are trying to do is to

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<v Speaker 1>change the rules that allow women to continue to have

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<v Speaker 1>Medicaid for the full year along with their babies postpartum.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that means, you know, a lot of support

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<v Speaker 1>for mental health, for substance use disorders, for cardiac problems,

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<v Speaker 1>all the things that we know are killing women in

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<v Speaker 1>that first year. What we know from the from the

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<v Speaker 1>data is that most maternal deaths don't happen during pregnancy.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't happen in the hospital. They happen um when

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<v Speaker 1>women go home, they go They happen in the postpartum period. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>they happen, you know, sometimes it's a week, sometimes it's

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<v Speaker 1>two weeks, Sometimes it's a month, Sometimes it's up to

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<v Speaker 1>a year. So it's incredibly important for women to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that and for doctors and nurses and midwives and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>to understand how risky the postpartum period is, and also

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<v Speaker 1>to give women the information that they need to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to recognize concerning symptoms. According to the c d C,

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<v Speaker 1>thirty six percent of pregnancy related deaths occur up to

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<v Speaker 1>one week after giving birth, and then another thirty happen

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<v Speaker 1>up to a year postpartum, and it's impossible to predict

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<v Speaker 1>which women will suffer such fatal complications, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>Deppa being Him says it's important that all women are

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<v Speaker 1>educated on symptoms. Her organization, the Institute for Perinatal Quality Improvement,

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<v Speaker 1>is helping hospitals do just that. We actually made one

0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>hand out called Savior Life hand Out, which it outlines

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.680
<v Speaker 1>all of those post birth warning signs. So that's to

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<v Speaker 1>help empower women to know when to seek care. Warning warning.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Stephanie. I'm going to be your discharged

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<v Speaker 1>that I needs to meet you. Congratulation. N y U

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<v Speaker 1>Land Gone in New York City is just one hospital

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<v Speaker 1>that has put Deborah Savior Life hand out to use

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<v Speaker 1>as part of its postpartum discharge education. But sometimes it's

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.879
<v Speaker 1>hard for overwhelmed new moms to absorb critical information about

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<v Speaker 1>life threatening health issues. So n YU now sends families

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<v Speaker 1>home with a Savior Life Magnet, which reminds moms so

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<v Speaker 1>the symptoms they need to be aware of. I have

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<v Speaker 1>this really helpful acronym here, it's post birth. So p

0:25:55.040 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 1>IS stands for a painting your chest, OH stands for

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<v Speaker 1>obstructive breathing or shortness of us. S stands for seizures,

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 1>and T stands for thoughts of harming yourself or your

0:26:05.800 --> 0:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>baby the birth part. I really encourage all women that

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<v Speaker 1>if they just aren't feeling like things are right, to

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<v Speaker 1>not give up asking for someone to intervene, someone to

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<v Speaker 1>look closer, who not just ignore their symptoms. A lot

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.080
<v Speaker 1>of women are very good at ignoring their symptoms. For

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<v Speaker 1>most women, the first time they see a doctor is

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:32.880
<v Speaker 1>six weeks after giving birth, which is why the postpartum

0:26:32.880 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 1>period can be so dangerous. But there's a way to

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<v Speaker 1>fill this alarming gap in healthcare. According to Monica Malcolmore,

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<v Speaker 1>the reproductive health Injustice researcher we heard in part one,

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<v Speaker 1>she says insurance can make room for other systems of

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<v Speaker 1>support like midwifery. For example, they see people three days postpartum,

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<v Speaker 1>they see them seven days postpartum, they see them ten

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 1>days postpart there's a more frequent visitation postpartum and also

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:07.080
<v Speaker 1>do us. Doulas are lay professionals in community that provide spiritual, informational,

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and physical support to pregnant people across the pregnancy. In

0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 1>my mind, they are an essential member of the healthcare team,

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 1>and we need to integrate team based care because those

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.159
<v Speaker 1>are individuals who can move with pregnant people through time,

0:27:22.200 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to managing the time of birth, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of what we do clinically. There are another

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<v Speaker 1>pair of eyes to sort of help us keep pregnant

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.439
<v Speaker 1>people safe and alive, and we need to own that

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 1>at some point and figure out how to finance that.

0:27:36.520 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 1>The other crucial element here to keep mothers safe after

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<v Speaker 1>giving birth is making sure they don't have to rush

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<v Speaker 1>back to work. I like to remind people that we

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:47.919
<v Speaker 1>actually have no paid family leave in the United States.

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>If people can have the time that they need knowing

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 1>that they're not going to lose their job or that

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:53.880
<v Speaker 1>they don't have to go back to work too soon,

0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.480
<v Speaker 1>then we could go a really long way in reducing

0:27:57.640 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>maternal death in the postpartum period rate. When Alison Felix

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<v Speaker 1>decided in two thousand eighteen that she wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>a professional athlete and a mother, she was in the

0:28:09.119 --> 0:28:13.439
<v Speaker 1>midst of contract negotiations with her long time sponsor Nike.

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<v Speaker 1>This time around, she wanted to ensure that she was

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:23.360
<v Speaker 1>protected during and after pregnancy. The way athletic contracts are

0:28:23.400 --> 0:28:26.199
<v Speaker 1>structured as a lot of it is performance based, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you need to perform to a certain level or

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<v Speaker 1>you will have a reduction in your salary. Obviously, when

0:28:32.359 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>you have a baby, you need a bit of time

0:28:34.280 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 1>to get back to talk performance um and at at

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:41.240
<v Speaker 1>the time when I was negotiating, they were unwilling to

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>grant that time. UM and other athletes had experience also

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<v Speaker 1>when they became pregnant that their contracts were actually paused,

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 1>meaning that they were not receiving any pay um at all,

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>and their likeness was still being used. They were still

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>required to make appearances, they were still training with the

0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 1>intention of coming back. It's an issue that I had

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<v Speaker 1>seen repeatedly throughout my career UM and the culture was

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<v Speaker 1>really silent surrounding it, you know, it was just something

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<v Speaker 1>that women would go through, and I got to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where I felt like I had to speak on it.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to share my experience because things I felt

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<v Speaker 1>like things would not change if I didn't. Alison asked

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<v Speaker 1>Nike to guarantee in her contract that she wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>punished if she didn't perform at her best in the

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:37.400
<v Speaker 1>months before and after childbirth, Nike declined. In May of

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nineteen, Allison broke ties with Nike and wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful op ed in The New York Times detailing

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<v Speaker 1>her experience. By the end of the month, Nike announced

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>it would end financial penalties for pregnant athletes. By July,

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<v Speaker 1>Allison signed with Athleta, an athletic wear company owned by

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<v Speaker 1>Gap that wanted Allison explicitly for her outspoken advocacy. Are

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<v Speaker 1>you proud of yourself for speaking up? I know that

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<v Speaker 1>you have talked about your upbringing. You were raised in

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<v Speaker 1>a very Christian family. UM, probably taught to be respectful,

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<v Speaker 1>to respect authority, to not be a troublemaker, etcetera, etcetera.

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<v Speaker 1>So did it kind of go against your brain Allison,

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Hey, this isn't right, I'm speaking out. It

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<v Speaker 1>was completely against when against the grain. It was, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>so far out of my comfort zone. UM. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>you know, am I more of a private person, but

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<v Speaker 1>everything you just mentioned was completely true for me, and

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<v Speaker 1>so it just felt very scary. But after I did

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<v Speaker 1>speak out, the encouragement from so many people, UM really

0:30:47.880 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 1>reassured me. And more than anything, it was my daughter.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she was the one who helped me find

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<v Speaker 1>my voice, and it really when I thought about her

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<v Speaker 1>life and her growing up and the things that I

0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't want her to have to you know, fight for UM.

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<v Speaker 1>That definitely just gave me the booth that I needed.

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<v Speaker 1>When we return messages of empowerment for today's pregnant moms

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<v Speaker 1>and their families. That's right after this. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>what we face right now with the coronavirus pandemic is scary,

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<v Speaker 1>but it makes some maternal health crisis and the inequities

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<v Speaker 1>around giving birth in this country more urgent than ever.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to share the stories we've heard so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can honor those who have been affected and possibly

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<v Speaker 1>save others from the same fate. So here are some

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<v Speaker 1>of the lessons from those who have experienced the unimaginable. First,

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<v Speaker 1>Alison Felix, no matter who you are, educate yourself. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>be fully prepared, have a birth plan, um, but don't

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<v Speaker 1>be married to it. For me, that was a big issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So just understand that issues may arise and um, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>be willing to um go with the flow. But but

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<v Speaker 1>educate yourself and be prepared and listen to your body. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I think you even probably discounted the swelling

0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 1>you experienced. Had you known you were at high risk,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you would have said, oh, I need to

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<v Speaker 1>call my doctor right away about this. Right, definitely, definitely, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I would have gone right and immediately had I known

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<v Speaker 1>what to look for, and like you said, listen to

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<v Speaker 1>your body and if anything doesn't feel right, make sure

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 1>you're hurt, and don't stop. Be persistent. I wish that

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<v Speaker 1>I had understood walking into the hospital that day, that

0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.480
<v Speaker 1>this was even a potential outcome from my wife. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Johnson, this never even crossed our minds. We had

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<v Speaker 1>no clue, and we consider ourselves progressive informed people that

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<v Speaker 1>women were dying, you know, almost twice a day from

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<v Speaker 1>childbirth in this country. I wish that I had known.

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<v Speaker 1>Reporter Nina Martin says, there's power in that knowledge. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's really important for people to know the worst

0:33:14.440 --> 0:33:20.080
<v Speaker 1>case scenario possible, because if you don't, then you will

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<v Speaker 1>not trust yourself, your advocates will not continue to push

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<v Speaker 1>in the way that they need. To believe what you're

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<v Speaker 1>feeling in your own body and and then make somebody

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<v Speaker 1>listen to you if possible, or to help get your

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<v Speaker 1>the help of your advocates, to make them be listened

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and don't give up if possible, because it really could

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<v Speaker 1>be the difference between life and death. Tragically, there's only

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<v Speaker 1>so much a mother and her family can do. As

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<v Speaker 1>we've learned, sometimes all the knowledge and the support in

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<v Speaker 1>the world simply isn't enough. That's the heartbreaking thing about

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<v Speaker 1>Charles Johnson's story is that he pushed, and Kia pushed

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't enough. But you know what, if maybe

0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Kira were still alive and she were giving birth, now

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:18.600
<v Speaker 1>people would listen to her right because they would know

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:24.080
<v Speaker 1>that that this happens. And you know, it's that's the

0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:27.120
<v Speaker 1>heartbreak of it, um but it's also what he's been

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>able to accomplish in what the work that he's done.

0:34:31.719 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>In the years since Cura's death, Charles Johnson started a

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<v Speaker 1>nonprofit dedicated to maternal mortality advocacy for Cure four Moms.

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 1>It's an organization that I found it too honor Cure

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>as well as the tens of thousands of women that

0:34:48.160 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>we have lost due to this maternal mortality crisis, and

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>so I truly believe that although there's nothing I can

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 1>do to bring Cure back the highest honor, that I

0:34:57.320 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>can pay her to do everything that I can to

0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:03.640
<v Speaker 1>send other mother's home with their precious babies for care

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>of four moms also helps provide support to families left behind,

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:13.160
<v Speaker 1>providing babies, supplies, child care services, legal support, and even

0:35:13.200 --> 0:35:17.439
<v Speaker 1>grief counseling, because Charles and his young boys know all

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:26.399
<v Speaker 1>too well what that's like. As they get older, they're understanding. Uh,

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:31.720
<v Speaker 1>it grows and they ask questions, and I do my best.

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>I made a decision very early on that I would

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:37.319
<v Speaker 1>do my best to celebrate here and everything that we do.

0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>If you come into our home, there are huge pictures

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 1>of her everywhere. Uh. We deal with Mommy's memory head on.

0:35:44.760 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 1>We tell stories. When Prince comes on the radio, we

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>turn it up the full brast and we say that,

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mommy loved this song. When we go places,

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>we talked about Mommy took you here. When we watch

0:35:55.440 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Race Car Drive and we talked about how much Mommy

0:35:57.600 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 1>loved to race cars. But it doesn't matter, because it's

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 1>still this immense void, and it still doesn't prevent Charles

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:10.720
<v Speaker 1>from waking up in the middle of the night, just crying,

0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.720
<v Speaker 1>just saying that he wants his mommy. It doesn't prevent

0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Langston asking the question, well, why can't mommy come to

0:36:17.239 --> 0:36:22.200
<v Speaker 1>my school? And so I do my best to explain that, well,

0:36:22.280 --> 0:36:26.279
<v Speaker 1>mommy is in heaven and you know she's doing important work.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's nothing that can prepare you for what it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>When you tell a two year old dad mommy is

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<v Speaker 1>in heaven and he says to you, well, Daddy, I

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.279
<v Speaker 1>want to go to heaven, all right. That just rips

0:36:36.320 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 1>your heart right out of your chest. And at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, if I can prevent one other

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<v Speaker 1>father of having the conversation with their children that I

0:36:47.000 --> 0:36:48.640
<v Speaker 1>have to have with mine, then it's all worth it.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'd like to support families like the Johnson's, you

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<v Speaker 1>can visit for Kira for moms dot com. We started

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<v Speaker 1>reporting this story long before COVID nineteen infected hundreds of

0:37:05.400 --> 0:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>thousands of people across the country, not to mention millions globally.

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:14.080
<v Speaker 1>It's a public health crisis of historic scale and one

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<v Speaker 1>that frankly, this country was not prepared for what the

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<v Speaker 1>coronavirus pandemic will mean for the maternal health crisis. We

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<v Speaker 1>may not know for a very long time, but the

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<v Speaker 1>fact is right now, tens of thousands of women are

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<v Speaker 1>giving birth in unprecedented circumstances, sometimes alone and often without

0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>the support networks and in person care they need to

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<v Speaker 1>stay healthy before, during, and after birth. Meanwhile, COVID nineteen

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>is only underscoring already existing racial disparities that put black

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and underserved Americans at greater risk. While it's terrifying to

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<v Speaker 1>think of the damage this pandemic could do to the

0:37:57.360 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>maternal mortality crisis, there are still so many people, healthcare

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant women. To that in We've compiled a resource this

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