1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey. The Black Market is an initiative created by Any 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: five Self Media to highlight, amplified and showcase leaders, entrepreneurs 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: and educators from our community. The show tapes monthly at 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: our studio in Atlanta, Georgia to submit you or your 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: organization for consideration called eighty five South Show dot Com 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Backslash black Market. I know, I asked, and I was like, Yo, 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: how did y'all dig me up out of it? Damn, Bro, 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: you dope is here speaking to win. Welcome back to 9 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: the eighty five South spot Light. Bro. We always got 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: some dope people stopped through the trap, you know, showing 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: us love, and today is no exception. We got the 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: dope as creative. We can't even say an artist because 13 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:53,599 Speaker 1: it goes away beyond a dope as creative human being. Bro, 14 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting here going through the bio lfe brodel the 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: did at all? Bro, ain't got a cold as name. 16 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Dear Warfley, you like that only war field I'm familiar with? 17 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 1: Come on, Marsha Marshall warfare absolutely, you know what. I 18 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: haven't met a war field that I wasn't related to you. 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: It was a wide receiver that was wield you know, 20 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: and my son is a wide received what's up? So 21 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: welcome to the trap first and foremost. Man, man, I'm 22 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: excited to be down here, you know. And I was 23 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: definitely familiar with the show, like I followed on social media, 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: but I knew, uh, it was something that was super dope. 25 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: When I told my son and his eyes let up. Yeah, 26 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so this is really the ship, 27 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 1: you know, but now I appreciate it. I'm glad to 28 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: I'll be down here. Speak to what you said about 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: your son. But when his generation started embracing the show 30 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: from us as like not as like you know, they're 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: doing it. But when they came some cool ship to them, 32 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna this is gonna be something 33 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: that lasts for a minute, you know what I'm saying, 34 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: even start coming to comedy shows yet right his generation, 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: right right, he's some fans and so shout out to 36 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: the money you're gonna spend with us, young state. Yeah. 37 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: But you know it's funny. I gotta give you this 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: because as soon as I taught him, he was like, 39 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 1: you know that gonna roast you on the show. So 40 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, So I brought down a 41 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: little piece offering. So one of my one of my 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: dope tees, you know what I mean, just like, yeah, 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: it's like maybe he will lay off me a little bit. 44 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: I'll let you make it. You brought, when you bring, 45 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 1: get to make it, Taylor, you might adding this to 46 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: the rack of things. You know, I like to have ambience. 47 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hang it up as we grew. You know 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: what Taylor is, I've been getting on her nerves. I 49 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: could see it all enough faces. She'd be like, right, 50 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 1: I did not work for you. Yeah. She came in 51 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: smiling though, But I guess you might have changed the 52 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: attitude a little bit for she. I don't talk to 53 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: it as much because she's talking to me up. She 54 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: real quiet. I'm like, why you don't never say nothing? 55 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: She said, why you don't never say nothing? To make sense? 56 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: I just won't like you, right yea? But man, how 57 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:08,959 Speaker 1: did you get how did you get your start with 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, bringing the creativity of life, the visuals, the art, 59 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: all of that. Man? Man, uh, one of your first 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: give me your first successful project. I don't eve a 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: damn if it was like second grade and you drew 62 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: the okay, my first successful project, man, when I was 63 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 1: in middle school, I want a logo design contest for 64 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: American Can Company. American Can Company. I don't even think 65 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: they're in existence anymore, but they were based in St. Louis. 66 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: My godfather worked for them, and he was like, Hey, 67 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: we're having a we having a logo design contest. Can 68 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: you draw something? And I was like sure. And so 69 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: the slogan was less put management and workers on an 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: even scale or something like that. So I did what 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: you would think. I drew a scale, you know, we 72 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: just yeah, like a Libra scale with you know, some 73 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: management ship on one side and some worker stuff on 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the other. And I'm one that I wanted. So it 75 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: was like five dollars. You know, they probably should have 76 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: paid me about the grand for you to be in 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 1: middle school. That was it was. It was a big thing. 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: It was definitely a big thing, you know. And so 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: all of my successes, you know, our tribute to uh 80 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: little marks like that. Like it wasn't really anything big, 81 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: but it was a couple of things. It was one 82 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: um people opened up doors and opportunities for me, you know, 83 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: that definitely happened, uh, And I'm so thankful for all 84 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: of the people that did you know that did it 85 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: from art, sports, mentoring teachers, et cetera. Like I had 86 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people that carved out lanes for me, 87 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: and my guyfather was one of those people that recognized 88 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: my challenge at a young age and brought something to 89 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: me that probably most people wouldn't have thought to do 90 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: for a seventh or grade grader. Now, and I saw 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: you checking out some of the fans. Al right, we 92 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: always you know, we rotated, but it rotated in a while. 93 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: You got some nice pieces. For every show we go to, 94 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: somebody bring us some artwork, like and always people you 95 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 1: never would expect to be artists. And the black hood 96 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: is don't do it like a gold boy, like when 97 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: you draw that now. I don't know. I started back 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: doing portraits in the pin right right right through a 99 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: little something to get a picture. I don't know why 100 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 1: they always got that voice and can we be in 101 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: my lady, we get a picture right now? Y'all had 102 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: that we just can we get a picture? You know what? 103 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: Like artists, man, we're coming off shape, size and color. 104 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: So I think it's dope that uh, you know, farmer 105 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: dope boys are not getting back into their portrait back 106 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: you know, that's awesome. This show been bringing the hood 107 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: back together. But that's good, that's good, you know what. 108 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: I think that's a great title too, bringing the Hood 109 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: back Together. So maybe that's another segment or spend off 110 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 1: just bringing the hood back together that we just had 111 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: like a baby dadd and a baby mama on facetag 112 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: mediate arguments so we can come get the kids. A 113 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: lot of people are hitting me on the on the endbody. 114 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: They didn't get back together with the baby mamas all 115 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 1: our pholts, right, we had some knew with it, but 116 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: you know what you could, You know, you can fix 117 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: a lot of things through laughter, you know. And uh 118 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: like like me and my wife, we've been together since 119 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: you're never even trying to get right right right right right? 120 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: His mama, his mamma right, hey, but listen other together, yes, yes, 121 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: since uh since I was a sophomore in high school. Man. 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: But when people ask what the secret is, I was like, yeah, 123 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: because we can still laugh together, you know what I mean? 124 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: And so everything else could go up and down. But 125 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, like if you really enjoy being around that person, yeah, man, comedy, 126 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: comedy can cure our kind of ship. Man. We were 127 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: about to talk about some art. But bro, you you've 128 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 1: been with your wife for like thirty something? Is how 129 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: old are you? I'm thirty eight, okay, and you gotta 130 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: give us some some game on that because it's black men. 131 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: We don't get a lot of black men that can 132 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: give us some successful marriage tips or you know what. 133 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: The whole another thing we gotta discuss, Okay, Okay, so listen, 134 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: I think that one. I mean, when it gets down 135 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: to giving relationship advice, like the only uh, the only 136 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: person that you have to worry about your relationship working 137 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: with is you and the other person. So like my 138 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: advice for you might not work, but it works for 139 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: me and my wife. I ain't gonna take it anyway. 140 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: But you know, but yeah, you're going through it. We're 141 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: all look and you know what, hey, you need to 142 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 1: know if you really Yeah, so you want somebody that's 143 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: battle tested. So that's dope. So I think, you know, 144 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: my wife is definitely battle tested. I mean being with 145 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: an artist, you know, it's no easy task because people. 146 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: People are very weird, absolutely, and I would say that 147 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm definitely weird. I just like different ship 148 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: and I think differently, you know. But I think, uh. 149 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: One thing that probably makes me a little different than 150 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,160 Speaker 1: a lot of artists is I was also an athleta, 151 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: so I was like, art, yeah, there's your way of 152 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: letting them know you wouldn't on the nerves ship. Yeah, 153 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: but you know, it just it just made it. I 154 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: think it brought uh, I think it brought me down 155 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: a little bit because when you play sports, when you 156 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: have to do things like that, yeah, it gives you 157 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: balancing And to me, everything was about working my ass off. 158 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: So sometimes I work my ass off and I win. 159 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Sometimes I work my ass off and I lose. But 160 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: I just try to stay neutral about the whole situation. 161 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,319 Speaker 1: I kind of plushed the art the same way. Just 162 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: it's about working my ass off. So so creatively, what 163 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: are some of your your favorite pieces or things to create? 164 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 1: You know what I'm like doing everything? Yeah, I like 165 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I like you said, nudity, yeah absolutely, Yeah, Dugan Doughnuts, yeah, 166 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 1: Chicago Tribune. Yeah, you got a diverse all of them. 167 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: Running off of some of the some of the most 168 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,599 Speaker 1: exciting projects you know that your audience probably knows is 169 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: like the stuff that I did when I was a 170 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 1: creator director at the Face. So there I was in 171 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: charge of like our cast TLC Paint, Goodie Mob t I, 172 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: Tony Braxton. And what was incredible was seeing like those 173 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: artists at the Genesis, like when they bring you what 174 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: they think is what they know is the best ship 175 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 1: that they got and then they trust you to to 176 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: uh add a visual to it, like that's an incredible 177 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: that's incredible. Hand you just named the whole list of 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: musical titans, right like working with them earlier before the world, 179 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: like you said, before the world gets to consume all 180 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: of these great ship they about the travelers, like could 181 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 1: you see the superstardom and some of these people like 182 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: off the Gate absolutely, you know, like it was just 183 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: it was different moments working there where like they would 184 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: bring in the music and as soon as you hear it, 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: you would be like holy shit, you know. And at 186 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: the time, you know, we were just thinking about what 187 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: was great at that moment, not like what was gonna 188 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: be great ten twenty years down the road. And so 189 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: like when I look at some of those artists just 190 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: you know, and and what they went on to be become, 191 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: like I'm not surprised because they were great then, you know, 192 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: but you don't think about the long term. When you're 193 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: working on that ship, you're thinking about being the greatest, 194 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: right and then you gotta you gotta you can't even 195 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: really talk about it. You gotta wait before you know 196 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: what I mean, people never really get the grand scope 197 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: of how great and huge til C is and would like, 198 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: what was it like working with TILC? Man? Working with 199 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 1: TLC was great because they are they just love creative 200 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: ship and you couldn't go too far for them, you know, 201 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: you could bring them any idea and they were open 202 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: to it. And so I think that to me, that 203 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: was one of the qualities that really really made them 204 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 1: stand out. Like they were a hundred percent about going 205 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: against the grain visually, musically and everything. And that's the 206 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: type of person that I am too. So it was 207 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: perfect and so uh they were easy. I mean, they 208 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: were one of the easiest groups that I actually had 209 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: to work got to work with. Who was the artist 210 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,199 Speaker 1: that pushed your creativity? Like that really pushed you? Like, 211 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, if I him, I would probably say Usher. 212 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, I's a fucking little usher man, I mean, 213 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: And it's funny, it's like he uh, he's definitely a 214 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: a rethinker, you know, what I mean, Like, he's not 215 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: super impulsive, and we've had multiple situations where like I've 216 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: just signed you know what, it wouldn't be the last 217 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: minute changes as much as it was to get to 218 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,199 Speaker 1: the finish. So an example, like when I did the 219 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: artwork for here I stand, I probably did sixty covers. Damn. 220 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: He went with the first one that I sent him after, 221 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: you know, after I did all of those. And so 222 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: the way that we worked, as soon as I designed 223 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: that I sent to him, I was like, dude, this 224 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: is it, and he's like, man, I don't know. And 225 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: so design after design after the design, and we ended 226 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: up going back to the very first one, you know. 227 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:22,439 Speaker 1: And so I don't know if he was just fucking 228 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: with me at times, but he was the one that 229 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: is challenging to get him to commit to something. So 230 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: you create these one off pieces, what happens to the 231 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: other fifty nan Man? They got to become n F 232 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: T s. That would be a goal, you know what 233 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean, But they just sit in the vault. And 234 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,079 Speaker 1: you know, like with most of the music projects that 235 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: I have, I mean, I have just files of ships, 236 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: you know, for photo shoots to like whatever. So I 237 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: have all of that, you know, And so now I'm 238 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: just trying to navigate through ownership and who owns what 239 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: and can I release them of this material? You know, 240 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: because I have my fine art. We're just like mostly 241 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,000 Speaker 1: my main focus right now. That I could definitely do. 242 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: But if I can dig back in the bag and 243 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 1: grab some of that stuff that's you know, people never 244 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: even seen that I thought was amazing, you know, Uh, 245 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: that would be an incredible opportunity. Do me a favor 246 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: because you know so much about it. Like like you said, 247 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: we got a very big broad audience from your son 248 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: and age to grandmother them age what a Who are 249 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: some of the black artists that they should look up? 250 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: Get online and check out art? Yeah, give us some 251 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: dope black artists man Kevin Whack, Fabian Williams, which is 252 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 1: occasional superstar paper Frank uh, Gary, Kelly Thomas, Black Share, 253 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,959 Speaker 1: throw some women in the throw some women in there. 254 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:51,239 Speaker 1: Give us some black women artists, creatives us whoever do sculptures, 255 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 1: whatever we want? Everything man, female artists. I mean, I'm 256 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: just I'm just drawing a blank now, but we'll get 257 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: back to it. You could just yellow ye, just random 258 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: like I got Tourett We have no format. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 259 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 1: she cold. Yeah, that's a man show. But you know what, 260 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: like the a lot of the artists that I followed 261 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: and inspired inspired by growing up, they were they were 262 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: not like your most well known fine artist, you know. 263 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: They were like people that I interned for, you know, 264 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: and things like that. We'll check them out to absolutely. 265 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: So I gave you a couple like Tony Waite, Mark Scott, Carol, 266 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: Gerry Kelly, Like, those are guys that really revolutionized me. 267 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for me as an artist. That's dope, man. So 268 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: any of your kids get into the art, you know what. 269 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: My daughter is a writer director, you know, she just 270 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: finished working on Spider Man. She's super funny as ship, 271 00:14:47,080 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: you know, but she's working in production but writing directed. 272 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: And my son is he has my athletics side. He 273 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: has some creative ability, but you know, I try have 274 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: to try to pull it out up you. I mean, 275 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: I understand what about got kids? Yeah, okay, at the 276 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: funny Well, my son is so sarcastically funny. Yeah, it 277 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: is so crazy. Yeah, that's how old is he? Okay, 278 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: And it's just it's to the point where I don't 279 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: even want to talk to him because he's fully aware 280 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: that I'm a comedian. So, like you said, it is 281 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: like I think you think he has the right to 282 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: be a comedian. Bro, I don't even daddy it, right, 283 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: So y'all go back and forth a lot. But he 284 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: was a lot of that. Yeah, that's good. I think, uh, 285 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: having those type of dialogues. I mean, I think, to me, 286 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: creativity is right next to sarcasm, and it's right, you know, 287 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 1: it's right next to being a smart ass. And so 288 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: like in school, I was always drawn to smart ass, 289 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: wise asked, my son, definitely a smart ass, Like I 290 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: always like, he always go to my dad's house, right, 291 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: you know, my dad old school Mississippi. Okay, so every 292 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: time my sign like get ready to get up, get 293 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: a snack of something, my daddy hit him with some 294 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: old ship that this is just racial. Kids ain't never 295 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: used to hear, you know, like grandsons some good cold water. 296 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: And like every time my son come home, anytime somebody 297 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: walked past the friederad, they'd be like, it's some good 298 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: cold water. And then that's some of the funniest ship. 299 00:16:15,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: That's dope, though, man, I think, uh, you know, it's 300 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: it's awesome to have those type of bonds with your kids, 301 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think just to 302 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: watch them grow up, it's like they go to bed 303 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: and wake up and be holding other individuals. Why yeah, 304 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: And then I mean he'll probably say shipped to uh 305 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: pull great bits and things out for you. You know 306 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: the questions, right, and some some of my like as 307 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: a fine artist, like some of my best most memorable 308 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: pieces have came through joking and talking ship and so 309 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 1: like some of your favorite pieces that you've personally done, 310 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: I don't think enough recently. Yeah, recently I did a 311 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: piece it was well, I do a body of work 312 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: called the American Flag Remix. So if you look it 313 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: up online, it's just one word American Flag Remix. But 314 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: I did a piece in that serious caff the United States. 315 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: So we built this ship for free. Yeah that's the shirt. Yes, 316 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:16,719 Speaker 1: that's the movie. We can get a dook it up. 317 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Get up, brother, Umar gonna have to do some and 318 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: then I like that, can we write that, Let's do 319 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: it the United States for free? Yeah, he's very convincing. Yeah. 320 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: I want Jada Pinkett to come back on this one. Yeah. 321 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: I want Lawrence Fishburn to land motherfucking never connected and 322 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: just like all these generations of black people come from 323 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: out of space and underground. That's man, that sho's gonna 324 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: be harder than with that heavy already. Yeah, it's a 325 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: great idea. Guess who else gonna be in Shock? Khan? Okay, 326 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: but you know what, maybe she just sings the opening. 327 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: You want her in it. I want her in it. 328 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: I want her to walk out and give a speech. 329 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: She standing on the cliff for allegend, She's like black people, 330 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: we are here, But she'll do it better. Maybe Grace 331 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: Jones to Grace Jones, Race Jones, Grace Jones, Yeah, Grace, 332 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: Grace Jones and Naomi Campbell assisters. Is it a comedy 333 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: or is it a drama? It's more it's more like 334 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: a Star Wars. It's like our Star Wars. I think 335 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: it's got to be like ten of them because we 336 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: tend at least now. Yeah, we got a little bit 337 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: of catching up to do. But I think, yeah, like 338 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: that piece, you know, it was inspired by enslaved American 339 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: enslaved African Americans, trans Atlantic slave trade and the original 340 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: pieces hanging up in the gathering spot right now. But 341 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: like I wrapped this whole flag that I built, you know, 342 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: which the front of it is across section of the 343 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 1: slave ship, and I wrapped the entire flag and like 344 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 1: this chain that looked like the ship was from like 345 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: the seventeen hundreds, you know, And it was like the 346 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: most emotional, heaviest piece that I've done. But I think 347 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: that one is, uh probably the run that I really 348 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: put my all into it the most, you know. I 349 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: always you know, I'm always into like whatever it isn't 350 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: working on at that moment. But that piece, like when 351 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: people see it, it's beautiful, but it's haunting at the 352 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: same time. You know, I'm gonna ask, man, what was 353 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: it like working with the dope as outcast? Man? Man? 354 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: You know what? Working with those guys, uh literally came 355 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: from the future right and came back right right, you 356 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like I remember like just having 357 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: conversations with them just about like the concept of space, 358 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: you know. And I remember talking to Dre about when 359 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: he really made the flip and started singing about like 360 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: things that came to him and his dreams and things 361 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: like that. And when you're in the moment and you're 362 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: having those type of conversations you don't really trip off 363 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: of that ship. You'd be like, yeah, yeah, did you 364 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: approve this logo? You know what I mean? But when 365 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,239 Speaker 1: but when you sit back and you think and then 366 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: you see like how you know they told you something 367 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: that year a year before they drop, and how everything 368 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: maps out, it's it's it's incredible. But like those guys 369 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:08,919 Speaker 1: or are definitely geniuses, man. I mean I look at 370 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: them like they're this general this error's version of like 371 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,239 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones or some ship, Like they're bigger than 372 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: hip hop, Like they they've transcended for the artist, like 373 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 1: in the music game or you know whatever. How important 374 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: is it to have that signature logo? You know what? 375 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: I think it's very important for one of two reasons. One, 376 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, you want to have something that somebody can 377 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: recognize you instantly from whether it's some a distance or 378 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: whether it's from up close, you know. And then also 379 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: just the just the longevity and legacy of merchandizing, so 380 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's a shipload of bands, especially 381 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: like on the rock side that sells so much merch 382 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: that yes, man, like that mouth and that tongue, I 383 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: mean that they license it absolutely, So it's it's and kiss. 384 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an important thing to think about. It's 385 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: but when you think about uh, Errol Smith, Errol Smith, Yeah, 386 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: I mean, ship the Commodore has had it. But when 387 00:21:09,040 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: you think about like a lot of the big black 388 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: bands and hip hop artists, like you can't name too 389 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: many symbols. I mean you all cast has THEIRS. Um 390 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: you know, run DMC has THEIRS. But other than that, like, 391 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: I don't know who you could public enemy, you know, 392 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: so maybe it's them three, but I can't think of 393 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 1: anybody that has that symbol. Then when you see it, 394 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: it's like the batmanship in the sky, you know, And 395 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: I think it's it's very important, like your Backwoods you know. Yeah, man, 396 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm a sucker for some advertising. This 397 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: ship was so dope. I was like, I gotta have it. Yeah, 398 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: they get some good friends over there, Backwoods. That's been 399 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: that's been making sure I stayed with some fresh airs 400 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: Backwoods ship that throw with the Jay's and that's great. Yeah, 401 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: that's great. And then out early ain't nobody got this yet? 402 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: So how long did to take you to coordinate all 403 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: of that? You just like yeah, yeah, yeah, yellow, Oh 404 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: my god. So did you lay out two different James 405 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: or did you like that on the Red Come and 406 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 1: I'm just putting them up so they'll know that they 407 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: knew they see the bottom icy and ship like that. 408 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: They are clean and stuff on this show. They are 409 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 1: clean as you should. Yeah, because if you look good, 410 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: you get I don't even cut you up. I just 411 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: wanted to pump him back up and let him know 412 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: we're still in here with and Jay Win and play 413 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: me some pepper. And while we're doing this, man, we 414 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: got company in the house. Man, he donna think when 415 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: creative enough. He was killing it earlier when he said 416 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: his name boost his head up. Okay, name John, but 417 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: he got those calling yeah yeah. I was like yeah, 418 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: And I was like, does this stamp or something? He 419 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: was like, nah, he got that in middle school till 420 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: you got your nickname from middle school? Right? Yeah? I 421 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,359 Speaker 1: think you with it? Like when when when when God 422 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: has somebody to give you the middle name you mean nickname? 423 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: You keep that ship, bro. This dude is authentically one 424 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: of the coolest motherfucker's you've ever met. This nigger don't 425 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: never get out of character. That's good for real. I 426 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,040 Speaker 1: ain't never seen him Yale run. I ain't never seen 427 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: him in a hurry. Is on one speed. That's funny, man, 428 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: Hell yeah, So what are you working on? What's next? Like, 429 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: what's what's excited coming up for you? What's exciting? Ship 430 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: is all exciting because none of this ship was ever 431 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: supposed to happen, so every show was exciting. Right now. 432 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: The main thing that I'm doing, since the world is 433 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 1: so crazy and just to be extra safe, is just 434 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: I'm doing these tour dates with Mike Epps. Okay, so 435 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: you know we're dropping five or six days at a time. 436 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: That's just you know, just taking it slow, you know, 437 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: day by day going back into this ship, creating this. 438 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,480 Speaker 1: We're working on some animated ship, trying to get the 439 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: broach mom till we got this cartoon. Yeah, I was 440 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: checking that that t shirt out. Yeah man, this from 441 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 1: the We had this some dope ship on the show 442 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 1: and the fans wanted us to bring that. Okay, we 443 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: had did a song called Everybody hand Roaches and got it. 444 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,520 Speaker 1: So we did this exterminator. So here's a funny one 445 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: man for you. I mean seeing just like connection. So 446 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: a long time ago, man, like I designed Nick Cannon's 447 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: hip hop album cover do we've been looking for because 448 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: you should have talked now. That ship never came out though, 449 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, like I ran into a Man 450 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: of the event. It was like a Grammy week and 451 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, man, I designed your cover. He 452 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: was like, man, I'll tell nobody about that ship. You 453 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: don't want nobody to see this? Yeah, now, that dude 454 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: so damn cool man. He's a cool one too. Yeah, 455 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: that's crazy. Though. It's a small as world. Yeah, man, 456 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: everything is connected, and so I think especially in Atlanta. 457 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's easy to run in and 458 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: bump into, you know, a great opportunity. So that's why 459 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: you gotta keep your reputation tight. After working with all 460 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: these people who are you know, considered legends and you know, 461 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: titans in the industry, how do you pick now who 462 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: you work with after having a resume, Like, man, it's 463 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: gotta be like if I'm working on like a creative 464 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: direction design type project, it has to be two things 465 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: a determined factor. Uh do I love the music? And 466 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: and do they got a budget? You know, because other 467 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 1: than that, it's just like I'm not really into it. 468 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: But if I dig the music, then maybe your budget 469 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: don't even have to be like a normal budget, you know. 470 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 1: Going back to the music, tell me about your Tommy 471 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: boyd Day, that Tommy Boy logo with that Yeah, yeah 472 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: that was a good logo man, So Tommy Boy, I 473 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: mean that, Uh it got me and my wife to 474 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 1: New York City. Uh the job, it wasn't alle man. 475 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: I was like that. I started the clote never is 476 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: it's just the ship you do. Yeah, yeah, I started 477 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 1: that cloning the line. But what was dope was being 478 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: in New York City and especially like at that age, 479 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: and uh being able to freelance for everybody. So while 480 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: I was up there, I mean, even though work was 481 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: like kind of hectic, I was freelancing for like Andre Herrell, 482 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: Uptown Records, Puffy and Bad Boy, Uh ship, everybody that 483 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: I can kind of get a meeting with, you know, 484 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: and just the city. That the energy of the city 485 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,440 Speaker 1: at that time. You know, it's one of those things 486 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: that leaves a stamp on you. And so I came 487 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: from St. Louis, which was slow moving like your boy, 488 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,679 Speaker 1: you know, and then I and then moved to New 489 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: York City. So it was culture shocked for me when 490 00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: I went up there and one of the funniest things 491 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: that I heard was like in the office, people said, 492 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: you're not from here around you know. I was like, no, 493 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: how do you know? It's like because you always smile, 494 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: and I'm like, damn, you know. So it's like now 495 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: they didn't like, they didn't like you at least, you know, 496 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: in the in the early nineties, they didn't like you 497 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: smile in the New York City. But uh, we don't 498 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: really have a lot to smile at about this is 499 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: this is true. But at the same time they do, 500 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: Like I've seen some of the craziest ship that I've 501 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: ever seen in my life in New York City. You 502 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: would random you will, and it'll be so longer too, 503 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: and it'll be right next Like you can see the 504 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: craziest ship right next to the most expensive, richest ship. 505 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: I mean literally like right next to it doesn't matter 506 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 1: homes dude taking the ship the duncan dough Yes, yes, 507 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: ship right there, but here go wash his hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 508 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: yeah I say that. Like one time at lunch, I 509 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: just seen the dude pull his pants down. He was 510 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: shipping on the side of the building and he was 511 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: still talking. Yeah it's another yeah, Yeah, let's bubble back 512 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: on something that you briefly spoke on these n f 513 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: T s. Yeah, this ship is blowing up, man, Can 514 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 1: you give us a better description of what that is? Man? 515 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: I think, uh, the n f T. Yeah, I think 516 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: what it does is it gives artists and creators the 517 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to authenticate whatever it is that they own and 518 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: they create and then maybe get paid on it for longevity. Right, 519 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 1: and so an n f T can be anything that 520 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: people consider worth having ownership men and keeping. So like 521 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 1: this conversation right here that we take could be an 522 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: n f T, you know, and you put it up 523 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: and you have it minted and you get your blockchain 524 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: information and posting on the site and then you kind 525 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: of up and rolling. But the ship is it's really 526 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: really crazy, and I think that it's gonna disrupt a 527 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: lot of business markets. You know. Let me ask you 528 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: this for the struggling artists who may be watching, um, 529 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: what advice would you give to somebody who's super talented 530 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: that's you know, having one of those those you know, 531 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: those moments that you have as an artists what things 532 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: might not be moving right now to say that it's 533 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: not good and it's it's just one of those things 534 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: that you go through creatively try to I think that 535 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: like most artists, you know, like we really don't think 536 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: like business, you know. And so you could be an 537 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: artist and you are always painting and you're like, well ship, 538 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: like my ship ain't selling, you know. And so I think, 539 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,680 Speaker 1: you know, if if you're having that type of run 540 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: and you confident in your work, you might have to 541 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: position that ship in another lane. Like because I got 542 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: this friend that's a dope as artist, but every time 543 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: she finished the piece, she refused to sell it. What 544 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: about What advice would you give artists who are like 545 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: that they create all of this ship that they wan't 546 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: nobody to have. Uh, well, it's a couple of things. 547 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean if she wants to create it and then 548 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: maybe photographing and sell prints or sell t shirts or 549 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: coffee mugs, I mean, she won't let nobody get it. 550 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: It's just a big as personal collection ship. I mean 551 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: I was told, like when I was in the eighth 552 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: grade that if you're an artist, you gotta let the 553 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: world know, you know everything. Yeah, and so because of that, 554 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: like on junior, yeah over there on Facebook with what 555 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: your dad is talking about Hey, I try to tell him, 556 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: if you're an artist, you haven't let the world yeah 557 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: and so, and then I also believe, like a lot 558 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: of times, just like in everything, a lot of things 559 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 1: in life, you gotta let ship go so that you 560 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: can get to the greater things, right, and so like 561 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: with me, like with all of the art pieces that 562 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: I've done over the years, like I don't feel emotionally 563 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: connected to anything, you know, like, but uh, I feel 564 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: emotionally connected to my ideas and how I came up 565 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: with that. But after I finished the piece a matter 566 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: of fact, after I think of the piece, a lot 567 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: of times I feel like I want already, But then 568 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: I gotta go through the steps, which is the working 569 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: part of the artists. Gotta go make that ship, gotta 570 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 1: go paint that ship, like that's the work. But the 571 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: idea is what I truly love. And so I think, 572 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: you know, to me, like I go through the process 573 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: of like I gotta get shipped out of my site 574 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: so that I can have new ideas because you can't 575 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: some of your ship and wanted them no no no 576 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: no no, but you know what, no, never that. But 577 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: it's things that like that I've done that I didn't 578 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 1: care if it ever sold or not, because I really was, 579 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: you know, I was digging it like that. But other 580 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: than that, like I'm usually more excited to create the 581 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 1: next new thing, you know, and so like when I'm 582 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: working on things, I'm thinking of other ship that I 583 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: could be working, Like I'm learning from this experience to 584 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 1: take to the next experience. And so if all you're 585 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: doing is looking at them same experiences all all the time, 586 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to get to your ideas. So when you 587 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: get in your zone, what are you listening to? Bro? 588 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: I listened to everything, man, I listened to tell me 589 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: some of your new favorite nimes, the new rap name 590 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: Man Earth Gang, uh shit. Like from a rap standpoint, 591 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: I mean I like Travis Scott. You know, is he 592 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: is he considered? Yeah? You know, okay, I like him. 593 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 1: The craziest Travis Scott story, Yeah, I gotta be gonna 594 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: hear it. Like I like Demanti Harris a lot. They 595 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: cold at Let me tell you this Travis Scott story. 596 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 1: So we had the BET Awards. Everybody outside, like all 597 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 1: the people who performing outside, all the rappers and ships. 598 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: So it's like this is right when his ship was 599 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: super on fight, right, helt ready to go on stage, right, 600 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: so he coming like I think he was on like 601 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: a truck or some ship, and we were walking to 602 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: the low Dog for this mother. He walked and like 603 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: shlipped and popped his fucking kneecap on the way to 604 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: the stage, and I'm like, oh, ship he posted he 605 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 1: like toys some ship right there running down, Like, so 606 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: what did they do? They fixed it, I mean, not 607 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 1: his leg, but they fixed the performance where he had. 608 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: I think he kind of just like laid on some 609 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: ship us. But I know he left right after that 610 00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: because it's crazy he this ship. Yeah that's not good. Yeah, 611 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: it was like right in front of me too. So 612 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: he walking and he missed the step of some ship. 613 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: His leg gave out, and I was like, oh, somebody 614 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: get this man. I'm not quote, but I think like young, 615 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: Like is I mean it's j Cole considered young? Yeah, okay, yeah, 616 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: I mean so I mean I love like him. I 617 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 1: mean obviously Kendrick Lamar and I mean I like, motherfucker's 618 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,560 Speaker 1: who can like rap rap, And so that's what I mean. 619 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm gotta you gotta give some of the other guys 620 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: a chance to some of the ones who are not 621 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: necessarily great rappers. No, no, that's that's what he puts 622 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: me on. Yeah, no, yes, my son. I mean he's 623 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: in charge of curating those playlists for me. But he 624 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: put me on, like, what's the what's the young guy 625 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: out in California? Roddy Rich? Like, he put me up 626 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 1: on Roddy Rich. You like that singing ship? Yeah, I 627 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,760 Speaker 1: mean that's what I mean. He's singing that. Yeah, but 628 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: way okay, he's he's a big dude, bro, big singing 629 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 1: ning rod awave put that downstick he got it, okay, 630 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,000 Speaker 1: And think we really gonna hit some real aggressive ship 631 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 1: like NBA young boy. Okay, Yeah, that's that's his that's 632 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: his guy. I don't know what he did to the 633 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,480 Speaker 1: to the next generation. He's the eldest, okay. And I 634 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: like and I like a little Baby. I think little Baby. Yeah, 635 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: I think little Baby is legit, you know, but some 636 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 1: some of it I just can't. I'm like, damn, I'm 637 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: not getting Oh I mean I am, oh should I'll 638 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: be fifty three, but uh but yeah, some shot I 639 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: just like I can't even. Yeah, we've been too hard 640 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: on you know, fucking movie. Huh. We'll be too hard. 641 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm not hard on him, you know, just like I'm 642 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: saying our generation, like it's hard on one generation right 643 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 1: in front of the guys who was right now, right man, 644 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: you ain't got no lyrics, And then you're looking back 645 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: to stuff this Ship. We've listening to him. It's crazy. 646 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I was. I was, you know the 647 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,800 Speaker 1: other day, I was just listening to Ship, like the 648 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: Fat Boys and like the Skinny Boys, like they came 649 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: out when I was like a junior in high school, 650 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: like in eighties six but they wouldn't really talking about shitty. 651 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 1: It was just like kind of like the party raps, 652 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: but we love it. Yeah yeah, So I mean yeah yeah, 653 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: and so you know, everything everything goes in cycles. I 654 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,799 Speaker 1: just know, like the musically what always moves me. It's 655 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 1: the storyteller, you know. And so like when I think 656 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: about you know, like Andre three thousands on sixteen ain't 657 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: enough with Rick Ross, you know, I'm like, Ship is that? 658 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: Like if that if those bars at the standards, you know, 659 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: and and like you know, Ship t I like the 660 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: Libre album, Like I love that album, you know about 661 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: Tip I decided by the way, But I know, yeah, 662 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: but so I'm just I'm into that. I'm into the stories. 663 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: I want ship to take me placed. This young new 664 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,920 Speaker 1: storytelling Nigga is well he's no longer with us, but 665 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: King Vam and then can give you every detail in 666 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 1: the cor with the radio owned listening to music. I 667 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,239 Speaker 1: didn't like this ship, you know, just had do it. 668 00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 1: I'd be like, he gave you every detail. That's funny man, Yeah, 669 00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: I mean he loved Nip. I love Nip. You know. 670 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: I guess he's a young guy too. I love I 671 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: love Rap like you was with him earlier, just reminding 672 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: you of a Yeah, you know it's funny man, like 673 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 1: the way that he raps. But I agree, the way 674 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: that he raps it reminds me. And this is way 675 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: off to the left. But it's a book. I don't 676 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: know if you read it. It's called Relentless by Tim Grover. 677 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: I will, but you got it. You know you will 678 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,719 Speaker 1: Relentless by Tim Grover. You will finish that ship in 679 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,960 Speaker 1: two days. And Tim Grover ship. He should be at 680 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: paying me for this advertiser. But Rover was Michael No, 681 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 1: he was Michael Jordan's trainer when Mike was in the 682 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: NBA and then he started working with Kobe and Doane Wade. 683 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,359 Speaker 1: But the book is written as if you're sitting right 684 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,720 Speaker 1: next to them on the bench and they just talking 685 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 1: through ship. It's dope, but it'll get you if that 686 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: ship don't get you going nothing can you know. That's 687 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,080 Speaker 1: a great book. But it reminds me of Nip when 688 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,320 Speaker 1: you read it. I mean it's you know, because of 689 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,799 Speaker 1: the quality that you said. It's like you're right with him, 690 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: you know, the same thing, because sometimes Nip just throw 691 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,560 Speaker 1: a Barten and it it kind of sounded like he 692 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: is talking to you this my weed. I was like, okay, bro, 693 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: we gotta collab on the project, man, man. I would 694 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: love to man. I mean, I've been doing a few 695 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 1: collaborations with different musicians and uh comedians though, bro, no, 696 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: but let's go and you know, and then I'm I'm 697 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: the I'm the type like if we say were gonna 698 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: do it, we're gonna do it. We ain't gonna meet 699 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: fifteen times. I'm gonna call young. I'm like, Yo, you 700 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: got that ship all right? Sending it to me. That's 701 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,919 Speaker 1: what it's like. I'm a hundred I'm a y'all hearing 702 00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: this right now. I'm a hundred percent and so whatever 703 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: you want to try, you know why, it's got to 704 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 1: happen because your son is a fan of this show. 705 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: He's not gonna let that right, right, ship, you know, 706 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: I gotta uh, you know, I gotta have him as 707 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,200 Speaker 1: my project manager. Then let him manage this process. Yeah, 708 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, but yeah, but we can I mean whatever 709 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: it is, like, I don't think here we got a 710 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 1: whole another setup that we're going with. You know what 711 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying. We would definitely want to want to get 712 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,359 Speaker 1: some real dope ship and they'll y'all need a big 713 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: dopebox actually for real, like like I make these dope 714 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 1: boxes that are like a table. Although this partner that 715 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: ship is dope. He did a great job. Tell me 716 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: more about this dope box. What can I see? It 717 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 1: can sit? What people can hit you? Yeah? Actually yeah, 718 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,520 Speaker 1: So if you go to yeah d l Warfield dot com. 719 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 1: Everything is on there. You know, my Instagram, my Twitter, 720 00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: everything is just deal Warfield dot com. I'm on it. 721 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: I'm about to get on it right now because you 722 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,239 Speaker 1: know I'm I'm I'm building me a man cave right 723 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,240 Speaker 1: now at my house. Okay, and that ship you said, 724 00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,440 Speaker 1: I like that that box ship missing little details on man. 725 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: So I started doing the Dope series like in two 726 00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen, and obviously, I mean, everybody knows what 727 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: the word dope means in hip hop vernacular, so it 728 00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,279 Speaker 1: was something that I've been saying since like eighty one, 729 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,839 Speaker 1: really night two and uh. So I started making these 730 00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: pieces and they and uh the very first piece that 731 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: I made was for a fundraiser for Chris Kelly's foundation, 732 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: and so he had I mean, yeah from Criss Cross. Yeah, 733 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: you gotta tell these Chriss Cross. Yeh was pretty killing, 734 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: right right yea. So I got hit up from a 735 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: young woman named Angela Watts that was curating his an event, 736 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,680 Speaker 1: a fundraising an event for his foundation. They asked me 737 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 1: if I would put work in the show to help 738 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: raise money. I think it was for either cancer Lukenia. 739 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: I was like yeah, But then I didn't have ship 740 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: that was hip hop related, so you know, I started 741 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: doing these pieces just said dope, you know, and uh 742 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 1: they also and I was like, well, ship, like maybe 743 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: I should keep exploring it. So uh, since then, I 744 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,040 Speaker 1: mean I started he went from making two dimensional pieces 745 00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,680 Speaker 1: to actually building boxes that say dope all over that 746 00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: you can sit on. We have something to sit on 747 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: the table. And then from that, in two thousand nineteen, 748 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: I did an event. Uh it was at the Whiskey 749 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: Blue where I invited six of Atlanta's top photographers to 750 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: come out and shoot people sitting on my dopebox. And 751 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: so we we created this whole series called Sitting on Dope. 752 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: And so after they did the photos, the plan wants 753 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 1: to do a follow up art show of me making 754 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: artwork from the photos. But you know, COVID hit. So 755 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: I have all these assets. You know that eventually I 756 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,239 Speaker 1: will do a show called the Dope Show. You know. 757 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: So I did collaborations with photographers, and then I did 758 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:54,160 Speaker 1: collaborations with artists like my guy, Fabian Williams, Hobo Inc. Paper, 759 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: Frank Melissa Mitchell, Jeremy Brown, you know, uh, and a 760 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: bunch of others. So at some point we're gonna do 761 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 1: the show because everybody has to see all of this 762 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: work and all of these collaborations together. And Uh, the 763 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,759 Speaker 1: thing that I like about that Dope series the best. 764 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 1: And even when I when I first came up with 765 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,040 Speaker 1: the idea, I thought it could be a great mechanism 766 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: to get artists to collaborate, you know, because I mean, 767 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like that like this in comedy, 768 00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: but a lot of times I think artists really don't 769 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,920 Speaker 1: work together that much. Well, you know, comedy is such 770 00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 1: a solo sport unless it's a movie or like a 771 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: sketch or something. Right, I don't really see too much 772 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: collaboration having Okay, So but as far as you writing 773 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,640 Speaker 1: your stand up, is it just you or do you 774 00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,960 Speaker 1: work with other people on? Well it works like this. 775 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,799 Speaker 1: It's just like everybody has a circle of friends. When 776 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,120 Speaker 1: you you might show up to the club and do 777 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: do all this new ship that you wrote probably might 778 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: give you the best tag, right, don't say this, just 779 00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,600 Speaker 1: throw this in that. Oh you know what you should say. 780 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,960 Speaker 1: That's the way that comedians when you see us outside 781 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: riff and joaning on some it's like that's how we 782 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,080 Speaker 1: keep the flex the muscles flex. And so uh, like 783 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: all of my best creative ideas that came from Jon, 784 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: you know, like I mean, uh, comedy man, it is 785 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: fueled so many um ideas, the spontaneity of it, being 786 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 1: able to think on your feet and so even like 787 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 1: with a lot of my art or just the wittiness 788 00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: so ever, like when I explained that ship, people like, 789 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: ah ship, you know, like when it's like the wittedness 790 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,640 Speaker 1: of the con to me as as performed as a comedian, 791 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: it's like the jokes that I wrote, right, like all this, 792 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: all the laughs that I get, the in between jokes 793 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: that I wrote, Yeah, because that's when that's the mother's like, 794 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: oh ship, you know the joke I wrote supposed to 795 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: word right right now? I feel you on that. I 796 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 1: mean it's it's like watching a movie and you laughing 797 00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,239 Speaker 1: as some ship that's off to the left, like you know, 798 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,359 Speaker 1: the scene is here, but it's a motherfucker back here 799 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: doing some crazy ass ship and you just see that 800 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 1: last just like the black dude on Robo Cop. I 801 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: don't know if people remember that one scene on Robo 802 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: Cop where all the cops was rolling out and they 803 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,279 Speaker 1: was hitting the corner real heart, about twenty police cars 804 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,320 Speaker 1: and it was a black dude. So the hot dolls 805 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: and just looked just look, they're going to kick somebody. 806 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 1: Classic yeah yeah, because itself to the left right, yeah 807 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,840 Speaker 1: yeah man, yeah yeah. So I did a uh in 808 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,720 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen, I did a show at Wish Gallery, 809 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, smaller spot, but the whole thing was really 810 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,520 Speaker 1: targeted towards you know, gen z, the millennials, and it 811 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: was called The Million Likes, and it was based on 812 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:45,320 Speaker 1: America's was really the world's fascination of just like famous 813 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: celebrity and losing their soul. And so I had a 814 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of those pieces in there that was speaking directly 815 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: to like giving you like those witty ships, like at 816 00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: first you don't get it, but then you're like, oh, ship, 817 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:58,080 Speaker 1: Like that's what he's talking about, you know. So that's fun, man. 818 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,920 Speaker 1: And like you have like your crew that you you 819 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,320 Speaker 1: know that you bounce things off and riff with. Artists 820 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: work the same way. I mean, I have guys that 821 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 1: I could be up at one o'clock in the morning. 822 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 1: I called you, Chris, what you're thinking? You know that guy? 823 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:13,759 Speaker 1: I call everybody waste too much? Yeah, but that's good, 824 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I uh, and you gotta you gotta have 825 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: those you know what I mean. Like when I was 826 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,680 Speaker 1: in art school, Like I remember at the time when 827 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: my teacher was telling me about the value of having 828 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: studio made. Yet at the time I wasn't really tripping 829 00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: off of that ship. But when you but when you 830 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 1: get out of when you're working and it's just you 831 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 1: with that one light on at two o'clock in the morning, 832 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:36,839 Speaker 1: you kind of wish you had people to bounce things 833 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: off of and people who know how to respectfully do it. 834 00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Some people like to take 835 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 1: over your ideas. You don't do it. Yeah, let me 836 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,719 Speaker 1: finish right, let me finish cooking. You can always tell 837 00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:59,200 Speaker 1: when they're about to steal your ship, though, This is 838 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: what comedians are always say when they're about to steal 839 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 1: how to jump like that? You don't have a like that? 840 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:14,440 Speaker 1: How you gotta jump about my surgery? Right? I was 841 00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:19,520 Speaker 1: I was gonna have a certain use the land. Motherfucker 842 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 1: man man dropped that social one more time, so get 843 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: social uh dl Warfield So just you can find me 844 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,319 Speaker 1: everywhere just putting that name up, or you could use 845 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,680 Speaker 1: the hashtag del Warfield did this and all kinds of 846 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: ship come up because I can't even remember something the 847 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: ship that I did. Well a little bro, I noticed 848 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,600 Speaker 1: your introduction to the trap, but definitely don't let this 849 00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: be your last time. We're putting on you know what 850 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: like this, uh that T shirt? Right there to cream 851 00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,360 Speaker 1: long sleeve ship. I mean, I like that ship is 852 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: called and not saying that the other stuff ain't. But man, 853 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: as soon as I've seen that, I was like, oh, 854 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: that's that's a great thing. That's exactly what we're doing right. 855 00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: That's not even our lane were comedians. Remember, we were 856 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: trying to figure this ship out. Hey, But you know 857 00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: what I think, Uh, it's beauty and not having all 858 00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: the answer stuff, you know what I mean, I even 859 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I've done a lot of things, but I 860 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: know I don't have all the answers, and so I 861 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:17,880 Speaker 1: think to me that is ed leat, I mean, aided 862 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: my longevity because I'm always trying to figure ship out 863 00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,160 Speaker 1: on them, always curious versus be sitting while I know 864 00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: everything and then you don't learn ship up. So I'm 865 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,640 Speaker 1: trying to figure that shot out too. Well, there you're 866 00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:35,120 Speaker 1: having folks. We're gonna be looking forward to getting a 867 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 1: projectiated here in the futures. Hey, find yourself so black excellence, 868 00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: my man. Till