Speaker 1: Huh, then you feel at home. Yes, come on, look
Speaker 1: at that. We were rocking out. When I have a
Speaker 1: guest of the show, when I have somebody who's sitting
Speaker 1: in helping us out, I like to make them feel welcome,
Speaker 1: and you know, I like to change the vibe a
Speaker 1: little bit. But this is Eyes up Here, and you're
Speaker 1: listening and watching the brand new Eyes up Here exclusively
Speaker 1: on Patreon as well as the Creative Control Network. If
Speaker 1: you didn't know by now, my name is Chad and
Speaker 1: every single week I'm usually here by the host of
Speaker 1: the show, Queen of Extreme Franccene. But we have a
Speaker 1: hand picked guest host. That I mean I probably would
Speaker 1: have suggested you at some point, but suggested and hand
Speaker 1: picked by the Queen of Extreme Francine. If you don't
Speaker 1: know the music in the background already, it is one
Speaker 1: of my favorite people on planet Earth, my man, the
Speaker 1: greats Kevin Ferdick. Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1: And uh that music brings back lots of memories, not
Speaker 1: gonna lie. Uh back back in the day house shows
Speaker 1: and stuff. The Spirit Squad used to rave to that music.
Speaker 1: They would come meet me in the tunnel. I was
Speaker 1: about to go out and and have their own little
Speaker 1: rave before I went out, because they thought it was
Speaker 1: that yeah fun. So there you go a little little tidbit.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very uh, you know, of the moment,
Speaker 1: right of that with two thousand and six ish era,
Speaker 1: right whenever they composed it. It's got that uh what
Speaker 1: was that What was that vampire movie out at the time.
Speaker 1: Was it Twilight or whatever? Twilight? Yeah, there was Twilight, Yeah, interview. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was all kind of yeah, very very of the moment,
Speaker 1: but yeah, man, you know, Francine loves you. Always talks
Speaker 1: about the time when if she talks about as she
Speaker 1: calls it, the fake easy Dub, and she talks about you,
Speaker 1: she always uh says so wonderful things about you, and
Speaker 1: you know, in the fact that you and I are buds,
Speaker 1: you know, she always says like it's nice to know
Speaker 1: that good people know each other, and she always says
Speaker 1: such good things about you. So handpicked by the Queen
Speaker 1: of extreme absolutely and then if you know, people have
Speaker 1: been falling along with the Queen of extreme down and
Speaker 1: Orlando right now, she's you know, the doing the Star
Speaker 1: Wars tour I think today, so you've following her closer
Speaker 1: than I am. I was trying to give her crap
Speaker 1: for filling in, but no, I'm just kidding. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's a Disney freak. You know. I've been down to Disney,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of times over the last few years.
Speaker 1: I hadn't gone from ninety nine to twenty nineteen, but
Speaker 1: then we went three times I think in the last
Speaker 1: four have you gone at all? So we went, Man,
Speaker 1: I went years ago, my daughter I think was four,
Speaker 1: my son but around eight nine somewhere in there. It
Speaker 1: had a blast and stuff, but I really wish some
Speaker 1: of the new stuff was there, like Tron. I mean,
Speaker 1: my son and I've watched Tron. I can't tell you
Speaker 1: how many times together, really, Oh god, yeah. And then
Speaker 1: same with like Star Wars stuff and all that. But
Speaker 1: Tron was like a big, big movie. I mean, we
Speaker 1: watched that when he was I want to say it's
Speaker 1: probably four I mean religiously almost every night. I mean
Speaker 1: to the point where I've got a lot of it memorized. Huh. Now,
Speaker 1: the original Tron right from the eighties, no, no no, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: the remakeer, but we I mean we did watch the
Speaker 1: original Tron also, Okay, of course, all right, because I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, because that original Tron I was awful,
Speaker 1: then I hate that. I can't believe the opular I mean,
Speaker 1: the new Tron was totally awful, Okay, but you know,
Speaker 1: for a four year old, they thought it was the
Speaker 1: coolest thing ever. And you know what, that's one of
Speaker 1: the memories we have of all the movies we've watched.
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to say we've we're probably like
Speaker 1: ninety something movies together. Are more uh my son and
Speaker 1: I Right, So I mean we've I mean we've seen
Speaker 1: them all, done them all, and all this stuff, and
Speaker 1: you know, now it's interesting to watch him, you know,
Speaker 1: give his take on what movies actually are. It's pretty
Speaker 1: so yeah, you've come a long way from him just
Speaker 1: being impressed by sitting in like the big chair and
Speaker 1: getting a popcorn right oh yeah yeah, yeah, definitely full
Speaker 1: of popcorn and you know, give him slashies and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. When I was there this
Speaker 1: past summer and the two hundred degree heat in like
Speaker 1: late July or late June, early Jai, we saw Tron
Speaker 1: being built in the distance and I was like, geez, like,
Speaker 1: we're you know, like nine months behind, this massive thing
Speaker 1: being built, and here we are on the goofy runaway
Speaker 1: trainer of the hell it was. I'm like, but we
Speaker 1: want to go there? Like, well, I want to get
Speaker 1: in that thing. But it was an incredible structure. And now, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's opening. I think right after is it? Is it open? Now?
Speaker 1: Did it just open this week? I think it's open.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I gotta ask her. I should text her,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to buy. Yeah, we should text
Speaker 1: her right now and say, hey, we're ruining your show
Speaker 1: and give I gave her minors show updates. I don't
Speaker 1: want to bother, you know. I just said, you know,
Speaker 1: Kevin's coming up. We're all good, and I gave her
Speaker 1: some guest updates and you know, rock and rolling. But yeah,
Speaker 1: she's been playing this trip forever and it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's their thing. I mean, you know, people have their things,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I I I love people that
Speaker 1: they can do it. I I'm we know, for three days,
Speaker 1: that's enough. It's like Vegas, Vegas in and out. There's
Speaker 1: only a couple of days and then you got to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did the three days. We even did the Hogan Shop.
Speaker 1: We went, we drove the Orlando Hogan Shop, went in
Speaker 1: and it's small. It's like the size of this room
Speaker 1: I'm in in my basement. It's like, you know, this
Speaker 1: this size room. You go in. There's a ring in
Speaker 1: the middle, a couple of shirts. You go out there.
Speaker 1: We're in the Hogan Shop. Back to the Disney World. Okay,
Speaker 1: three days, you're gone. She's there for two weeks. She's
Speaker 1: down there for two weeks. Yeah, But I mean they
Speaker 1: do other stuff. They go, right, you know, they do
Speaker 1: other stuff. They're family about town, so what are they
Speaker 1: gonna do? But what else? What else is going on
Speaker 1: in your world? Mister fancy realtor man, you got your
Speaker 1: realtor title belt there, you've got your kind about my
Speaker 1: sign back here. Just you know, trying to you know,
Speaker 1: use as much as this publicity as I can. Yeah, really,
Speaker 1: just you know, it's January, the market's here, everything else,
Speaker 1: just trying to figure it out and uh you know,
Speaker 1: uh as I say, uh uh, you know, say the
Speaker 1: champ is home with with with a lot of new
Speaker 1: clients and buyers and stuff like that. But I mean
Speaker 1: business as usual, you know, totally was totally blessed for
Speaker 1: the wrestling stuff that I had and then I mean
Speaker 1: and being able to use kind of kind of that
Speaker 1: into the real estate stuff. I'm having a blesst awesome. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know you your career is taking such a turn
Speaker 1: from slamming yourself and others down to the mat to
Speaker 1: slamming people into their homes and changing their lives. It's
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool to see, uh, the transition you've gone through.
Speaker 1: But like, what's your favorite part of getting somebody into
Speaker 1: their dream house? Is it like the the build up
Speaker 1: to like them picking it out. Is it there like
Speaker 1: first day in the house, or they're like fulfillment afterwards
Speaker 1: where they're like so excited and actually living in it.
Speaker 1: I think it's there fulfillment afterwards and then you know,
Speaker 1: getting you know, text or whatever afterwards of them just
Speaker 1: you know saying hey this is what we did. Oh man,
Speaker 1: you know you were so right on, hey let's do this,
Speaker 1: or you know kind of the vision, you know, the
Speaker 1: vision you helped us with. I think that's that's what's cool,
Speaker 1: you know, and seeing you know, the family memories when
Speaker 1: you know Howween happens or Christmas happens, you know, just
Speaker 1: the decorations and stuff, like that that they they do
Speaker 1: to make it, make it their own, you know, I
Speaker 1: think I think that's always the coolest part. And then
Speaker 1: when they realized that their realtor is this massive, giant
Speaker 1: man who definitely is not like, you know, every other
Speaker 1: realtor that they could have selected or been connected to,
Speaker 1: when does that usually hit the I mean probably at
Speaker 1: the start, once we do it start, you know, going
Speaker 1: seeing the houses and stuff. But I mean towards the end,
Speaker 1: I think, you know, it gets to be such a
Speaker 1: friendship and everything else that I mean, I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: just a normal guy, which is so weird because they
Speaker 1: tell all their friends, you know, I've been over to the
Speaker 1: the parties afterwards, you know, uh uh you know, a
Speaker 1: new house, you know, come come to our house. Everything
Speaker 1: else they're like, oh, this is our realtor, and everybody
Speaker 1: there's you know, acting like it's such a big deal.
Speaker 1: And then with me with uh, you know, me and
Speaker 1: the the couple, you know, whoever's owned the house and stuff,
Speaker 1: we're just like b f F and it's just nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody's like they're like you talk to him like that,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like we're we're literally having fun. I mean
Speaker 1: that's that's pretty much. Once you break the ice. The
Speaker 1: rest of the time, it's it's super easy. They just
Speaker 1: like they just go like this and then they realiz
Speaker 1: is that you know, you're you know, you're funny. You know,
Speaker 1: you like to joke around, and I think that that's
Speaker 1: like something that kind of catches people off guard. They
Speaker 1: think you're going to be super serious. But you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they they it's a relief for them though,
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm sure they want you to tap
Speaker 1: into the seriousness at the negotiating table. Well that that
Speaker 1: always happens and stuff. I mean, you know, it's I
Speaker 1: wish I had the negotiating skills that I do now
Speaker 1: when I was with w W. I'll put it that
Speaker 1: would it would have it would have been a lot different,
Speaker 1: you know, sitting across from Vinnie Mack maybe yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, hey, listen, it's a different world. And uh,
Speaker 1: I think you've done a great job with your career.
Speaker 1: But we'll transition. We'll talk a little bit about the
Speaker 1: wrestling world and we'll get back to the realty a
Speaker 1: little bit later on Big Week Wrestling. It's been it's
Speaker 1: been a big last like six months and wrestling with
Speaker 1: all the stuff going on, and we'll talk about everything,
Speaker 1: but I want to talk about most recent stuff. Raw
Speaker 1: thirty was this past week. First of all, crazy enough
Speaker 1: that Raw is thirty years old, because I can't believe
Speaker 1: that thirty years of Monday Night Raw is a thing,
Speaker 1: because I remember it just starting. I remember not even
Speaker 1: wanting it to happen, because I used to love the
Speaker 1: format of the original shows where it was just squash
Speaker 1: matches in an arena and them sitting in a room
Speaker 1: talking about I love that. But Raw thirty, Can you
Speaker 1: believe it's been that long? It was pretty pretty crazy watching,
Speaker 1: you know, because I remember Yo vaguely, you know, the
Speaker 1: raws with the Ico pro and everything else, and you
Speaker 1: know in the bar like stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 1: as being the first. And then when Raw kind of
Speaker 1: hit its heyday, I was running a Golds gym in
Speaker 1: Memphis and I was kind of the next manager at
Speaker 1: the time, so I didn't get to watch it other
Speaker 1: than you know, sound off, you know, and on the
Speaker 1: treadmill acting like I was talking to a client, you know,
Speaker 1: talking to somebody and you know, smooze them over and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Now, those guys would always come through
Speaker 1: and work out at the gym and stuff. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, back back in the day, you know when
Speaker 1: the Monday Night Wars happened and you know all that,
Speaker 1: it was pretty much for me kind of sound off.
Speaker 1: So you know, I got to see it, you know,
Speaker 1: on the TV, but didn't you know, didn't really you know,
Speaker 1: get to hear the excitement and you know everything else.
Speaker 1: But I mean, you know, you look back, I mean
Speaker 1: thirty years. I mean, good God, in this business, I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's huge. Yeah, it's incredible, and it's funny too.
Speaker 1: I mean, for as long as you were in the
Speaker 1: WWE system, you were usually married to the other side.
Speaker 1: Though you were either linked to the SmackDown and e
Speaker 1: c W which was linked to SmackDown still, but you
Speaker 1: had to go to the raw side. You did. You
Speaker 1: did have to go to tapings. You were backstage for
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. What was the raw vibe like
Speaker 1: because SmackDown I mean, you know, granted still a TV taping,
Speaker 1: but raw live. What was the TV environment like at
Speaker 1: a raw uh? Fanatical? I mean, you know, always kind
Speaker 1: of kind of crazy because you know, you had a mastermind,
Speaker 1: lunatic running the show. And that would change change things
Speaker 1: at a whim and stuff like that. And and two
Speaker 1: I think you know at that time kind of when
Speaker 1: I was there, is it wasn't the same raw where
Speaker 1: we where they knew they were going to go and
Speaker 1: just just destroy numbers. You know. Uh kind of kind
Speaker 1: of the point where I was there, you know you're
Speaker 1: talking about yeah, as a as a as a whole,
Speaker 1: there was too much TV to watch. You know, we're
Speaker 1: just getting all all the cable shows, We're getting all
Speaker 1: this other stuff. Uh, you know, I think ratings were
Speaker 1: a little bit down, so it's like, all right, what
Speaker 1: can we do to you know, burst burst the ratings tonight,
Speaker 1: you know kind of thing. And they've and they had
Speaker 1: already kind of done it, so you know, it was different,
Speaker 1: different than that, But I mean, yeah, definitely fun. I
Speaker 1: mean I always liked it on nights that we take
Speaker 1: E c W on those you know beforehand on the
Speaker 1: on the Monday nightnings. Right, just different, just a different
Speaker 1: you want to get out of the way or one
Speaker 1: night early, get it out of the way. Did you
Speaker 1: get a chance to check out any of this Raw
Speaker 1: thirty show? Uh? I watch it, Uh, like I do
Speaker 1: everything now on the treadmill. The next day at the
Speaker 1: gym I work out at, you could do YouTube and
Speaker 1: there's some highlight WW Monday Night Highlight or whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's you know, sixty sixty minutes, but it's just the
Speaker 1: really good clips of everything. So I kind of watched that,
Speaker 1: but I never watched it on sound, and I really should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I can only imagine that. You know, Ron Simmons said,
Speaker 1: damn that Chad did whatever he did, and you know,
Speaker 1: some stuff I saw, I was like, all right, you know,
Speaker 1: this is an ode. I thought there should have been
Speaker 1: more people. There was a lot more people that think,
Speaker 1: you know, it should have been on that that contributed
Speaker 1: raw and stuff that are out there and aren't with
Speaker 1: a major company that you know wouldn't have you know,
Speaker 1: costat friction or you know, given others publicity. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: that forbidden door should have been opened, you know, as
Speaker 1: they say, just because it's thirty years or raw. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it gives everybody, hey, we were here, we did this
Speaker 1: and everything else. It was weird, you know, it's it's
Speaker 1: they go to the list. I liked what they had.
Speaker 1: Hulk Hogan kick off the show and he did just
Speaker 1: a general welcome. I thought that was perfect because it was,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety seconds to two minutes. It got the
Speaker 1: crowd pumped. What would you have would you have really
Speaker 1: said that Hogan was what made Raw? It was No,
Speaker 1: it wasn't, but he was at all. No, but he
Speaker 1: was there. He was technically there, you know, three months
Speaker 1: after it launched. It wasn't on many of them at
Speaker 1: the beginning, but then you know, when the nWo was
Speaker 1: brought back in two thousand and two, the one I actually,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you my favorite Raw main event of all
Speaker 1: time is the nw O versus Austin and Rock. Oh absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know. And then yeah, one of their I think
Speaker 1: one of their biggest ratings of that era. So like,
Speaker 1: he's got but they got him out of the way,
Speaker 1: so they put him on the intro of the show
Speaker 1: and that's it. But they go right into this segment
Speaker 1: with the bloodline and Sammy's Ain. They call it the
Speaker 1: Trial of Sammy's Ain. It was originally supposed to be
Speaker 1: a very Samoan geared segment. And this is the weird thing.
Speaker 1: So they said Afa and Sicca couldn't travel to be
Speaker 1: at this thing. But I guess Off and Seco don't
Speaker 1: live in Pennsylvania anymore, because this show was in Philly.
Speaker 1: I thought they lived in Pennsylvania. I thought too, So yeah,
Speaker 1: so that was weird. RAKESHI apparently is not feeling very well,
Speaker 1: so he couldn't travel, so they had to change the
Speaker 1: booking on the fly and to this trial thing. I
Speaker 1: don't watch raw. I watched it because I wanted to
Speaker 1: see Hogan. I wanted to see some of the segments.
Speaker 1: I have to give them a lot of credit. This
Speaker 1: trial of sammy'se Anything was the best wrestling television I've
Speaker 1: seen in ages. It was compelling, it was well written,
Speaker 1: it was what everybody played their part really well. And
Speaker 1: if you do watch it, I would suggest check it out.
Speaker 1: It was very well. I mean I watched them but
Speaker 1: without any volume, And even without volume, I'm following along. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I keep my music on and and kind
Speaker 1: of watch and it's still you could still, you know,
Speaker 1: get a vibe of what's what's going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think they're killing it. Uh, you know, all those
Speaker 1: guys are just insanely talented. Everything else, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the family history there there's no reason why they ever
Speaker 1: not be talented, you know, with the with the with
Speaker 1: the bloodlines they have so so definitely I would I
Speaker 1: would say that that's I mean, you know, I read
Speaker 1: something online or oh they took up too much time,
Speaker 1: so this this match or that match got But you
Speaker 1: know what, they're the main event. I mean, they're they're it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're what will sell you know, WrestleMania,
Speaker 1: and everything else will be whatever Roman Reigns does with
Speaker 1: whoever what he does. They get the time, you know,
Speaker 1: and they deserve that. They deserve the time because I
Speaker 1: mean they're keeping you glued to the TV. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a huge rating. And you know it's funny,
Speaker 1: like I mean, everybody wants to talk about Sammy Zayin's
Speaker 1: his great wrestler, and he's you know, they're not showcasing
Speaker 1: and wrestling. He's he's showing better personality than if they
Speaker 1: put him in the ring. People are more into him,
Speaker 1: you know, making jokes than if he put him put
Speaker 1: him in his tights. Yeah, he's so talented, it's ridiculous. Uh.
Speaker 1: But then so then the show, I mean, to me,
Speaker 1: after that, I mean, the Undertaker comes back as the
Speaker 1: American bad ass. I thought that was a great, you know,
Speaker 1: little segment. It was got a huge pop. Apparently I
Speaker 1: saw the clip like you did on online because I
Speaker 1: tapped out after the Bloodline segment. But then yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it kind of went down and you know, they
Speaker 1: did the d X thing and yeah, which is so
Speaker 1: overdone and so whatever of all those guys, and I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm a huge Billy Gun Yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's he's like my brother there. It's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just like, yeah, like you know, we're gonna bring
Speaker 1: those guys out, you know, and have them face to
Speaker 1: face this and we're gonna do nothing to me. It
Speaker 1: was It's weird. I should have listened to it, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it's silently watching it. So here's what they did.
Speaker 1: I'll explain what they did. They you know, uh, road
Speaker 1: Dog did the whole spiel, but when he would go
Speaker 1: to Billy's part, he turns and it was kurd Angle.
Speaker 1: Kre Angle says I always wanted to be in d
Speaker 1: X and reveals he's got a d X shirt. So
Speaker 1: that was how they did the nod to Billy, right,
Speaker 1: But you're assuming everybody a knows Billy at this point
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three, if you're a younger audience, you
Speaker 1: might not even know who he is, if you don't
Speaker 1: know the history of the business. And then you're also
Speaker 1: assuming that they watch a W and know that Billy's
Speaker 1: on a W and that's you're then you're telling yourself
Speaker 1: that only this number of people are watching both products.
Speaker 1: So I just think it's weird. It well, well too
Speaker 1: many times, and assuming both the fans know both sides
Speaker 1: of the product, I don't know, very weird, but DX,
Speaker 1: it's so lame. It was lame then it's it's even
Speaker 1: more lame now. It was revolutionary then now it's it was.
Speaker 1: It was good, but just trying to be yeah, it's
Speaker 1: come on, let's you know, let's let's move on. It
Speaker 1: was cool, but it was like it was the the
Speaker 1: nWo had that little bit up, you know, it was
Speaker 1: and like what sewn Shaw Michaels left the group. It
Speaker 1: was like when Shawn Michaels there, they had that edge
Speaker 1: because he was such a dick. He gave them the
Speaker 1: dick edge. When he left, they had that more goofy edge,
Speaker 1: which you know people liked. But now they're just kind
Speaker 1: of corny. It's a legit corny. All right, I'm daking.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving my piece, you know. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: just me. But okay, so that was raw thirty. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said, you you felt there could have been
Speaker 1: more legends that were outside the box than the same
Speaker 1: ones that they bring back. Yes, I tend to agree. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: you know, WWE's on the road to WrestleMania. The Royal
Speaker 1: Rumble is coming up. I can't not ask you about
Speaker 1: your Royal Rumble experience. Royal Rumble two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: I just watched it just to prepare for you coming on.
Speaker 1: I believe you enter after Chris Benoi, who then also
Speaker 1: I was, I was number twenty one. According he also
Speaker 1: dumps you out acording to the Net Today, and that
Speaker 1: was sixteen years ago according to the Net Today, because
Speaker 1: I got reminded of that this morning when I you know,
Speaker 1: got on Twitter or whatever else, uh, you know, which
Speaker 1: was cool. Yeah, I mean, I mean wrestle you know,
Speaker 1: wrestling and Royal Rumble, Wrestling, Madison Square Garden Wrestling, and Mania.
Speaker 1: I mean those are all things that you know, you
Speaker 1: try to check off as a you know, as a
Speaker 1: wrestler of things that you know, you have to you know,
Speaker 1: do you know, to say that you've made it this
Speaker 1: business so absolutely, I mean you know, and then you know,
Speaker 1: Chris Chris bin Wall putting me out may probably never
Speaker 1: be seen because of whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's you know, it was definitely a fun experience,
Speaker 1: you know, and when you look back, you're like, man,
Speaker 1: I did that, so it's pretty cool. But what I
Speaker 1: love about it is just the sheer beef in the ring.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just oh yeah, I mean we would
Speaker 1: squash every a w fucking talent out there with what
Speaker 1: was in that ring. You know, that's not knocking a
Speaker 1: w I mean they've they've got a crap ton of talent,
Speaker 1: but those I mean it's you know, a lot smaller
Speaker 1: generation of wrestlers and stuff like that. I mean, when
Speaker 1: you know, I'm to sixty five and I'm in that
Speaker 1: ring and I'm small, I mean comparatively to what really
Speaker 1: is out there, that's saying something. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's pretty insane, you know. That's that's kind of like
Speaker 1: the funny thing now is you know, yeah, people you know,
Speaker 1: going and showing the houses, people asking questions, going to
Speaker 1: different functions with kids, you know, my children and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. You know, everybody's got questions about wrestling, and
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, you had to be one of the biggest. No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. No, not even in the ring that I was.
Speaker 1: I was small to medium at best, you know, even
Speaker 1: at sixty five. I mean, you know, going in the
Speaker 1: locker rooms back in the day, I mean you just
Speaker 1: sit there and be like, holy crap. I mean that's
Speaker 1: big boys. But you know, but it's funny. But when
Speaker 1: they launched E c W, and you know, and they
Speaker 1: put you in there with your you know, different characters,
Speaker 1: so that when they were trying to branch out the
Speaker 1: different personalities. The thing about that ECW is that it
Speaker 1: was kind of a hodgepodge of guy. So you were
Speaker 1: more of a standout in terms of your size with
Speaker 1: that group. But then if you lumped in then the
Speaker 1: rest of the SmackDown roster, No, then you definitely started
Speaker 1: to move down the size chain. I throw you in
Speaker 1: the Royal Rumble. No, in that ring. When you run
Speaker 1: in the ring, you're you know, you're probably maybe like
Speaker 1: the eighth biggest guy in the ring. Yeah. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I mean you think about ECW back in the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there wasn't any big, big guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hayman took what he had and made it,
Speaker 1: you know, elaborate. I mean, you know, you look at
Speaker 1: a Taz. Taz is never huge, but you know the
Speaker 1: way that uh you know, I still I still remember
Speaker 1: I was in Memphis and Taz was coming down for
Speaker 1: Memphis Championship Wrestling because we were kind of developmental territory
Speaker 1: at the time, and he was there to wrestle uh
Speaker 1: uh Jerry and meeting Tasks for the first time, and
Speaker 1: I was like, holy ship, you're small like I was,
Speaker 1: you know, like oh and oh you know, but I mean, dude,
Speaker 1: his demeanor and everything else. I mean he was ten
Speaker 1: foot tall and bulletproof, just like the rest of them.
Speaker 1: The way the way, you know, the way he ran
Speaker 1: himself and everything else, which was which was so cool.
Speaker 1: And I mean I think that's that's why e c W.
Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, you know, Fran Scene
Speaker 1: and all those guys, I mean, they they you know,
Speaker 1: they did it is because they presented themselves as you know,
Speaker 1: ten foot tall and bulletproof. No matter what. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: that's and it's pretty cool. Yeah, No, it's a that
Speaker 1: was different. And they only the biggest guy they had
Speaker 1: up to probably like ninety six was nine to one
Speaker 1: one and he was I think six ' six among them.
Speaker 1: You know, he was the big show or you know,
Speaker 1: Andre the giant. He was massive. Because I mean Taz
Speaker 1: is probably my highest probably like five seven. He's not
Speaker 1: the biggest guy in the world. So you know, nothing
Speaker 1: against people who are five to seven. I think I'm
Speaker 1: a great height. So yeah, but I stand next to
Speaker 1: you and it's not not the tallest guy. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so now that's a great thing to go back and watch.
Speaker 1: Listening to the commentary is always something I'd like to
Speaker 1: go back and listen to because I always wonder, is
Speaker 1: it the big guy telling them what to say? Is
Speaker 1: it a little bit of a little commentary being thrown
Speaker 1: out there. It's Lawler. I believe Taz maybe Jr. On
Speaker 1: commentary for this one. Lawler gets law was very complimentary
Speaker 1: of you when you get in there throwing some haymakers,
Speaker 1: you know, and obviously the history with Memphis, so you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, did Jerry you know, did you guys
Speaker 1: have a relationship with w W E or was it
Speaker 1: just kind of passing by when you were at the shows. Uh? No,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Jerry always remembered me and everything else.
Speaker 1: Jerry's Jerry. You know, Jerry looks out for Jerry, you know,
Speaker 1: which is is whatever. But no, I mean we we
Speaker 1: always had a good relationship. I mean every time I
Speaker 1: was in the ring, he always made me look bigger
Speaker 1: than life, you know, and it would take care of me,
Speaker 1: you know up there. I don't know, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he was always just kind of the commentator everything else.
Speaker 1: You know, with Jerry, I think he always looked out
Speaker 1: for his position in Memphis and stuff like that, and
Speaker 1: another kid from Memphis coming in. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, you had Brian at the time, you know,
Speaker 1: depending on where Brian was in his life, if he
Speaker 1: was going to be around or not. And I mean
Speaker 1: Brian took care of me too a bunch of times,
Speaker 1: right just you know, uh Dark matches, Jack matches, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I mean I would be paired up, uh
Speaker 1: you know, in tags wrestling him and Scottie, and I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Brian would always you know, do stuff to
Speaker 1: make me look good and you know, take care of
Speaker 1: me and tell me to calm down and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, as a whole you know.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Jerry definitely, you know, never did anything but
Speaker 1: nice things for me, I mean, with within reason. So
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking. I was thinking maybe that
Speaker 1: Memphis kinship, maybe he was just looking being a complimentary
Speaker 1: one of his Memphis boys. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: and at the time, you know, I think, you know,
Speaker 1: who knows, they might have had ideas for me and
Speaker 1: everything else, and I made it. You know, He's end
Speaker 1: up seeing what happen, I guess. I mean, I got
Speaker 1: a spot me and Shelley, you know, grabbing a lottery ball.
Speaker 1: I mean you know, yes, I mean that was extra
Speaker 1: that was extra airtime. I mean really yeah, yeah, that's right. No,
Speaker 1: that's right. Actually, and I did see that too as
Speaker 1: I was scanning through the going to the to the match.
Speaker 1: I have to yeah, I also have to. I was
Speaker 1: gonna pull it up. I had the picture. I got
Speaker 1: to give you credit as I was doing my of course,
Speaker 1: my research for you. Your your dynamite haircut. When they
Speaker 1: were repackaging you, you looked pretty spiffy with that hairdo
Speaker 1: my friend cut your hair and before you before you
Speaker 1: got released and No. Nine or eight whenever it was,
Speaker 1: that was terrible. Oh no, you look great. That was
Speaker 1: reminiscent of your your real turn. Uh promo shot. That
Speaker 1: haircut was down somewhat there. You look good. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you look The nights were not good. The haircuts.
Speaker 1: Part about that was as I got back from England,
Speaker 1: they wanted to a haircut. I try to figure that out,
Speaker 1: got that haircut show up, and then Vince asked why
Speaker 1: I cut my hair? Oh did he so? You know whatever? Yeah,
Speaker 1: they told me I needed to cut my hair because
Speaker 1: Vince wanted me to, and then cut my hair and
Speaker 1: then Vince asked me why I cut my hair? That's,
Speaker 1: you know, the good part about w W. You see
Speaker 1: Johnny's hitting the convention scene. Oh man, I cannot wait
Speaker 1: to see Johnny Axe on the on the convention scene.
Speaker 1: I look I looked forward to those uncomfort uncomfortable conversations
Speaker 1: with you know people around that are like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: totally dicked us over and fired us and uh, you
Speaker 1: know everything else. He's got to have the the Undertaker
Speaker 1: set up where they pull him into like a curtained
Speaker 1: room and separate him, you know, and have the separate
Speaker 1: line in a different area. They got to have like
Speaker 1: secret service protection around him. You know. It's the wrestling business.
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Speaker 1: time you were on with us with Eyes of Pere
Speaker 1: that was probably I don't know what about two months ago,
Speaker 1: and I think the following week day, maybe even days
Speaker 1: after you were on with us, I'm looking at Twitter
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it pops up and you
Speaker 1: you you post this random picture all right. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a picture. You just tweeted and
Speaker 1: it was like thank you very much to blah blah
Speaker 1: blah for the experience, you know, look forward to seeing it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the hell is this? I'm like,
Speaker 1: what how is How did you not tell me about this?
Speaker 1: And I called you right away? But you popped up
Speaker 1: randomly on a w dark in a lumberjack match as
Speaker 1: they came through Indianapolis. So I was I was on
Speaker 1: Friday night night. My my my, my fault. Tell the story
Speaker 1: because it literally happened days after you were on with
Speaker 1: us the last time. Yeah, so on that Uh, just
Speaker 1: they were in town and Indianapolis and just you know,
Speaker 1: went down there to see uh see mister ass and
Speaker 1: you know, uh the gun boys and a couple, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple couple others and so on and so forth,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, hanging out backstage. I had my
Speaker 1: buddy Dennis Kelly, who plays for the Colts with me.
Speaker 1: He's he's a huge wrestling fan and uh maybe one
Speaker 1: day he'll he'll be stepping in a ring killing somebody
Speaker 1: just because he's he's got wrestling knowledge unlike any other.
Speaker 1: But we're just hanging out and then uh yeah, q T.
Speaker 1: Marshall came up and was like, hey, uh you want
Speaker 1: to be in this lumberjack match. I'm like, uh I guess.
Speaker 1: He goes, you got your gear? And I'm like, why
Speaker 1: would I have my gear? Like I came here. I
Speaker 1: came here to hang out, Like I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: get a job at this point. I'm yeah, I like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yep. On like and I'm sitting there thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess maybe that is how most people
Speaker 1: do it, but anymore, I just don't. And uh. So
Speaker 1: he's like, well, how far do you live from here?
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm about twenty minutes, you know, give
Speaker 1: or take. So you know, I ran home. I Dennis
Speaker 1: had to come with me as just because he had
Speaker 1: to laugh the whole time because I was then a
Speaker 1: nervous wreck because I was like, oh shit, I don't
Speaker 1: have anything organized in my basement where all my stuff is.
Speaker 1: It's just it's kind of there. It's you know, spread out.
Speaker 1: It's not like in a suitcase. It's ready. I mean,
Speaker 1: boots are here, tights are there, this is there, that's there,
Speaker 1: grab you know whatever else. So literally I get home
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, you know, trying to grab stuff.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, you know what I am and
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go dress uh and uh you
Speaker 1: know in the hallway or in some you know, some
Speaker 1: talent locker room or what you know whatever as far
Speaker 1: as and not that I'm over, I just I just
Speaker 1: want my own space to get dressed. So I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm getting dressed here. And then I come upstairs, I
Speaker 1: have everything on, and he's dying laughing, you know, like
Speaker 1: what are we doing? I go, look, it is what
Speaker 1: it is we get pulled over. This is gonna be
Speaker 1: the best story ever. So we you know, drove back,
Speaker 1: got there, you know, go and do whatever. I thought
Speaker 1: there was gonna be a lot more TV exposure than
Speaker 1: there was. I mean, you saw me like three seconds here,
Speaker 1: three seconds there. But you know what, the check came
Speaker 1: about two weeks later for absolutely doing nothing. And you know,
Speaker 1: we've got nothing but good things to say. I mean,
Speaker 1: they they've got a great thing going. Aw you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys are getting a lot of opportunities
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Uh, you know, I think booking
Speaker 1: needs as a whole needs to simmer down. I think
Speaker 1: they keep hiring too many people. At some point you
Speaker 1: got to stop hiring God and everybody and just concentrate
Speaker 1: on this, this and this and start building. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, Tony's toy and you know, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: I mean given a lot of guys a lot of
Speaker 1: opportunities to make money that all deserve it. So you know,
Speaker 1: I definitely never gonna hate it because it's given guys opportunities,
Speaker 1: you know, to make to make money with what they have.
Speaker 1: And you know, not necessarily nothing wrong with the indies,
Speaker 1: but you know, having a little bit more uh, you know,
Speaker 1: comfort and knowing I've got a paycheck next week, which
Speaker 1: which I think, you know, definitely helps out of you know,
Speaker 1: not being out there going. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: as long with the these bookings, I'm getting paid, but
Speaker 1: something happens, I'm out, you know, my mortgage, I'm out
Speaker 1: my car card and all this other stuff. So at least,
Speaker 1: you know, list those guys are getting those opportunities, so
Speaker 1: you know, as a whole, I mean, next time they're
Speaker 1: in town, I don't know, hopefully I'll bring my gear
Speaker 1: this time. I guess maybe just in case. But it
Speaker 1: was still pretty funny just leaving, leaving, going, getting dressed
Speaker 1: and coming and coming back. And I was it was
Speaker 1: pretty entertaining. So what did you think of the crowd? Uh,
Speaker 1: crowd was good, I'll be honest, though, Uh the rampage
Speaker 1: crowd was nonexistent by the time. By the time we
Speaker 1: got in the ring, I looked looked around and I
Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, this this place was filled to
Speaker 1: the room, you know, for the for the first show,
Speaker 1: and then now it was just it was done. And
Speaker 1: I you know, and I think that comes down to
Speaker 1: you you know, with with anything like that. And it
Speaker 1: was like that with E. C W back back in
Speaker 1: the day too, if we filmed before raw or before
Speaker 1: SmackDown or whatever. I mean, it was great because it
Speaker 1: was pack that it was the first thing they'd seen
Speaker 1: everything else after SmackDown, and we would would go out there,
Speaker 1: you could just tell people are just done. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were worn out, they were tired. You know, wasn't
Speaker 1: the main show, so they weren't as in tune to it,
Speaker 1: you know. So I think that kind of comes with
Speaker 1: with you know, with all that is. And I know
Speaker 1: it's a budget thing, but I think at some point
Speaker 1: they're they're gonna have to do, Hey, this is rampage,
Speaker 1: this is done, you know. And I think it just
Speaker 1: makes it for for better for better stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: and for better crowds and crowds that are into it,
Speaker 1: because you know, when I did look up and look around,
Speaker 1: it was like, oh and nobody's there, you know. And
Speaker 1: I talked to a couple of friends of mine because
Speaker 1: I didn't let anybody know that, you know, I had
Speaker 1: gone home, got change was in there. I was like,
Speaker 1: oh were you there? Oh ship dude. We were in
Speaker 1: the car all the way. Oh yeah, awesome, thanks, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks guys. Yeah, that's terrible. And it's it's interesting because
Speaker 1: they could get worn out and it seems like they
Speaker 1: kind of wear themselves out with they're just they're like
Speaker 1: kind of over the top. They're chanting and yelling, and
Speaker 1: they put themselves into like every single match like too much. Well,
Speaker 1: they try to make every match the main events. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know with a W and stuff like this,
Speaker 1: it's and I mean, you know, I had the privilege
Speaker 1: and experience and everything else of Rip Rogers, who was
Speaker 1: one of our trainers here. And Rip's crazier and shit,
Speaker 1: I love him to death, but has he's like corn
Speaker 1: app though. They've got a love for the business like
Speaker 1: no other and the smarts for the business like no other.
Speaker 1: And Rip used to have us in OVW. We'd build
Speaker 1: the show and you know, the first match would be
Speaker 1: like a schoolboy roll up and then you know it
Speaker 1: and everything would transpire. Okay, then now the next match
Speaker 1: would have that, but that would be the false finish,
Speaker 1: and then the next match would would use you know
Speaker 1: something you know, uh, middle middle of the card, right
Speaker 1: before you know, intermission. Stuff like that would be you know,
Speaker 1: someone launching somebody over the top rope and then hitting
Speaker 1: the floor and just selling like it killed them, you know,
Speaker 1: and then all that would transpire to the main event,
Speaker 1: and then the main event would put all of those
Speaker 1: aspects in their match and they had the people eating
Speaker 1: out of their hands because they were it built to that.
Speaker 1: But you know, with with aw matches and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: is I mean, that was like to you know, today
Speaker 1: in gym, I'm you know, trying to watch some stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, knowing we're going to be here today talking.
Speaker 1: But I mean, first match, you know, they're over the top,
Speaker 1: through the ropes, I mean, and everything's on the outside.
Speaker 1: It just you know, and then two with with with them,
Speaker 1: uh you know, my biggest disconnect is every week has
Speaker 1: blood now like blood used to be main you know,
Speaker 1: a main event. I mean, you know, and there's guys
Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, one of one of the
Speaker 1: matches I remember specifically was Eddie Guerrero and jbl In.
Speaker 1: The blood that they did, you know in that Great
Speaker 1: American Bash was absolutely insane. I thought Eddie damn near
Speaker 1: cut his f and head off when he got to
Speaker 1: the back and everything else. But that that's what it
Speaker 1: called for but to also you know in that those
Speaker 1: guys are making you know, probably five hundred into a
Speaker 1: million apiece to bleed like that. I can get it,
Speaker 1: you know it, you know, and they're making that money
Speaker 1: where I maybe you know, just doing it for the
Speaker 1: sake of TV every week. It's just it's got to
Speaker 1: build something to me. And I think it just it
Speaker 1: uh you become uh desensitized. I guess I do. I
Speaker 1: think that's the word. Yeah, yeah, because you're he doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything anymore. Yeah, You're just it's it's not bothering
Speaker 1: me anymore. Now. It's like it's just a typical you know,
Speaker 1: you know kind of kind of stuff. Right. So I
Speaker 1: mean I think, you know, those kind of changes need
Speaker 1: to be made, you know, with their product and everything else.
Speaker 1: But I mean as a whole, it's it's it's awesome television.
Speaker 1: And I mean seeing some of these guys you know,
Speaker 1: like you know, mg F and some other ones that
Speaker 1: are ye you know, homegrown, that are really starting to
Speaker 1: get over and starting to you know, be huge park.
Speaker 1: And then when you go to the you know, the
Speaker 1: wrestle cons and the autograph signings and seeing the lines
Speaker 1: for those guys it's like, all right, they're they're doing
Speaker 1: you get it. So it's you know, definitely definitely pretty
Speaker 1: cool to see. So and it's weird to your point
Speaker 1: that women's match that had all that blood two weeks
Speaker 1: ago whatever it was one. So if there's nobody saying
Speaker 1: for that, she just got herself, you know, nobody, nobody's
Speaker 1: pays for it. And then two, I mean, ratings are
Speaker 1: so so on a Friday night. I mean you you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I and and those and those girls work
Speaker 1: their asses off. I mean they they I mean Ruby.
Speaker 1: So she's amazing. I mean she's an Indiana person, I
Speaker 1: mean up up north. I mean absolutely amazing talent, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and gave it and put it all on
Speaker 1: the line. It was just like a right, it just
Speaker 1: needs to be for just a little bit something more.
Speaker 1: And I think it would have been awesome, you know,
Speaker 1: at least get super paid for it then just your
Speaker 1: normal check, I guess. Yeah. And she bled like Eddie
Speaker 1: Guerrero on a show. Yeah yeah, Inane, that's wow. Well,
Speaker 1: that time flew by for eyes up here, But I
Speaker 1: am going to invite you to stay to do the
Speaker 1: rest of our Patreon content with us. If that's okay
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Speaker 1: Queen of Extreme Absolutely, okay. Well, we'll wrap up today,
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Speaker 1: Of course, we'll do the watch alongs, but I'm going
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Speaker 1: gonna do two watch alongs only because, as we've documented
Speaker 1: with Francine, you guys didn't get a lot of time
Speaker 1: in ECW. You guys were a little bit rushed and
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Speaker 1: So not only are we going to watch Ariel versus
Speaker 1: Francine uh and it's whopping, you know, three minute, it's
Speaker 1: in forty five. Yeah, but we're also going to watch
Speaker 1: the match you talked about the last time you were
Speaker 1: on with us, and that is one Kevin Thorn versus
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Speaker 1: it wasn't a referee stoppage, it was a Mercy pinfall.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna do that and then this one, I mean,
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Speaker 1: But I haven't seen you in person since twenty seventeen,
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Speaker 1: will get out of here for this week. Again. Thank
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