WEBVTT - Kevin Thorn 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:09.119 Huh, then you feel at home. Yes, come on, look 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.720 at that. We were rocking out. When I have a 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.000 guest of the show, when I have somebody who's sitting 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.919 in helping us out, I like to make them feel welcome, 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:19.200 and you know, I like to change the vibe a 0:00:19.239 --> 0:00:23.439 little bit. But this is Eyes up Here, and you're 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.280 listening and watching the brand new Eyes up Here exclusively 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.000 on Patreon as well as the Creative Control Network. If 0:00:30.040 --> 0:00:32.080 you didn't know by now, my name is Chad and 0:00:32.200 --> 0:00:35.440 every single week I'm usually here by the host of 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:39.120 the show, Queen of Extreme Franccene. But we have a 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.840 hand picked guest host. That I mean I probably would 0:00:43.840 --> 0:00:46.880 have suggested you at some point, but suggested and hand 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:50.040 picked by the Queen of Extreme Francine. If you don't 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:53.239 know the music in the background already, it is one 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:57.240 of my favorite people on planet Earth, my man, the 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:01.960 greats Kevin Ferdick. Thank you so much for having me. 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:05.400 And uh that music brings back lots of memories, not 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:08.839 gonna lie. Uh back back in the day house shows 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.119 and stuff. The Spirit Squad used to rave to that music. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:14.520 They would come meet me in the tunnel. I was 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.360 about to go out and and have their own little 0:01:17.440 --> 0:01:20.000 rave before I went out, because they thought it was 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.800 that yeah fun. So there you go a little little tidbit. 0:01:25.200 --> 0:01:28.679 I mean, it's very uh, you know, of the moment, 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.960 right of that with two thousand and six ish era, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.520 right whenever they composed it. It's got that uh what 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.000 was that What was that vampire movie out at the time. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.560 Was it Twilight or whatever? Twilight? Yeah, there was Twilight, Yeah, interview. Yeah, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.679 it was all kind of yeah, very very of the moment, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:51.600 but yeah, man, you know, Francine loves you. Always talks 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:54.440 about the time when if she talks about as she 0:01:54.520 --> 0:01:57.600 calls it, the fake easy Dub, and she talks about you, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:01.320 she always uh says so wonderful things about you, and 0:02:01.360 --> 0:02:03.040 you know, in the fact that you and I are buds, 0:02:03.080 --> 0:02:06.520 you know, she always says like it's nice to know 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:10.480 that good people know each other, and she always says 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:13.600 such good things about you. So handpicked by the Queen 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:16.880 of extreme absolutely and then if you know, people have 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.720 been falling along with the Queen of extreme down and 0:02:21.400 --> 0:02:26.919 Orlando right now, she's you know, the doing the Star 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:31.480 Wars tour I think today, so you've following her closer 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:35.359 than I am. I was trying to give her crap 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:39.240 for filling in, but no, I'm just kidding. So, yeah, 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.080 she's a Disney freak. You know. I've been down to Disney, 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.560 you know, a couple of times over the last few years. 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:50.440 I hadn't gone from ninety nine to twenty nineteen, but 0:02:50.480 --> 0:02:52.600 then we went three times I think in the last 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:59.280 four have you gone at all? So we went, Man, 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:04.200 I went years ago, my daughter I think was four, 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:15.240 my son but around eight nine somewhere in there. It 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:19.560 had a blast and stuff, but I really wish some 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.119 of the new stuff was there, like Tron. I mean, 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:24.840 my son and I've watched Tron. I can't tell you 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:28.679 how many times together, really, Oh god, yeah. And then 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:31.200 same with like Star Wars stuff and all that. But 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:35.360 Tron was like a big, big movie. I mean, we 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:39.160 watched that when he was I want to say it's 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:43.360 probably four I mean religiously almost every night. I mean 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:47.440 to the point where I've got a lot of it memorized. Huh. Now, 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.400 the original Tron right from the eighties, no, no no, no, no, okay, 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.040 the remakeer, but we I mean we did watch the 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.480 original Tron also, Okay, of course, all right, because I 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.960 was gonna say, because that original Tron I was awful, 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.920 then I hate that. I can't believe the opular I mean, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:09.640 the new Tron was totally awful, Okay, but you know, 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.040 for a four year old, they thought it was the 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.080 coolest thing ever. And you know what, that's one of 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:17.960 the memories we have of all the movies we've watched. 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:20.760 I mean, I want to say we've we're probably like 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:24.520 ninety something movies together. Are more uh my son and 0:04:24.560 --> 0:04:28.960 I Right, So I mean we've I mean we've seen 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.080 them all, done them all, and all this stuff, and 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.440 you know, now it's interesting to watch him, you know, 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:40.000 give his take on what movies actually are. It's pretty 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.120 so yeah, you've come a long way from him just 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.360 being impressed by sitting in like the big chair and 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.440 getting a popcorn right oh yeah yeah, yeah, definitely full 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:49.880 of popcorn and you know, give him slashies and all 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.360 that stuff. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. When I was there this 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.440 past summer and the two hundred degree heat in like 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.599 late July or late June, early Jai, we saw Tron 0:05:01.839 --> 0:05:05.880 being built in the distance and I was like, geez, like, 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:10.080 we're you know, like nine months behind, this massive thing 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:13.400 being built, and here we are on the goofy runaway 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.080 trainer of the hell it was. I'm like, but we 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:16.960 want to go there? Like, well, I want to get 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.000 in that thing. But it was an incredible structure. And now, yeah, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.480 it's opening. I think right after is it? Is it open? Now? 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:26.279 Did it just open this week? I think it's open. 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.240 I don't know. I gotta ask her. I should text her, 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:31.159 but I don't want to buy. Yeah, we should text 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.679 her right now and say, hey, we're ruining your show 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:38.840 and give I gave her minors show updates. I don't 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:40.000 want to bother, you know. I just said, you know, 0:05:40.080 --> 0:05:42.040 Kevin's coming up. We're all good, and I gave her 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.560 some guest updates and you know, rock and rolling. But yeah, 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:47.719 she's been playing this trip forever and it's you know, 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:51.400 it's their thing. I mean, you know, people have their things, 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:54.560 you know. I mean, I I I love people that 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.359 they can do it. I I'm we know, for three days, 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:05.160 that's enough. It's like Vegas, Vegas in and out. There's 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:08.120 only a couple of days and then you got to go. Yeah, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:11.119 we did the three days. We even did the Hogan Shop. 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.280 We went, we drove the Orlando Hogan Shop, went in 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.479 and it's small. It's like the size of this room 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.520 I'm in in my basement. It's like, you know, this 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.920 this size room. You go in. There's a ring in 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:23.480 the middle, a couple of shirts. You go out there. 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:26.279 We're in the Hogan Shop. Back to the Disney World. Okay, 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:30.000 three days, you're gone. She's there for two weeks. She's 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.880 down there for two weeks. Yeah, But I mean they 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.599 do other stuff. They go, right, you know, they do 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:41.320 other stuff. They're family about town, so what are they 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.080 gonna do? But what else? What else is going on 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.960 in your world? Mister fancy realtor man, you got your 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:51.840 realtor title belt there, you've got your kind about my 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.320 sign back here. Just you know, trying to you know, 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.680 use as much as this publicity as I can. Yeah, really, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:06.560 just you know, it's January, the market's here, everything else, 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:09.080 just trying to figure it out and uh you know, 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:14.120 uh as I say, uh uh, you know, say the 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:16.600 champ is home with with with a lot of new 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:19.760 clients and buyers and stuff like that. But I mean 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:24.480 business as usual, you know, totally was totally blessed for 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.280 the wrestling stuff that I had and then I mean 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:30.920 and being able to use kind of kind of that 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:35.440 into the real estate stuff. I'm having a blesst awesome. Man. Yeah, 0:07:35.440 --> 0:07:38.720 I know you your career is taking such a turn 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.960 from slamming yourself and others down to the mat to 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.800 slamming people into their homes and changing their lives. It's 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.800 it's pretty cool to see, uh, the transition you've gone through. 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.800 But like, what's your favorite part of getting somebody into 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.320 their dream house? Is it like the the build up 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.560 to like them picking it out. Is it there like 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:05.240 first day in the house, or they're like fulfillment afterwards 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:07.840 where they're like so excited and actually living in it. 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:11.280 I think it's there fulfillment afterwards and then you know, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:15.880 getting you know, text or whatever afterwards of them just 0:08:16.000 --> 0:08:18.680 you know saying hey this is what we did. Oh man, 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.080 you know you were so right on, hey let's do this, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:23.320 or you know kind of the vision, you know, the 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:26.600 vision you helped us with. I think that's that's what's cool, 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.000 you know, and seeing you know, the family memories when 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.560 you know Howween happens or Christmas happens, you know, just 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.280 the decorations and stuff, like that that they they do 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.360 to make it, make it their own, you know, I 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:46.199 think I think that's always the coolest part. And then 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.640 when they realized that their realtor is this massive, giant 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.360 man who definitely is not like, you know, every other 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.640 realtor that they could have selected or been connected to, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:02.400 when does that usually hit the I mean probably at 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:04.600 the start, once we do it start, you know, going 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:07.160 seeing the houses and stuff. But I mean towards the end, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:10.000 I think, you know, it gets to be such a 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.680 friendship and everything else that I mean, I'm just I'm 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.880 just a normal guy, which is so weird because they 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:19.280 tell all their friends, you know, I've been over to the 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.360 the parties afterwards, you know, uh uh you know, a 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:26.440 new house, you know, come come to our house. Everything 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.440 else they're like, oh, this is our realtor, and everybody 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:31.720 there's you know, acting like it's such a big deal. 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:35.160 And then with me with uh, you know, me and 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.720 the the couple, you know, whoever's owned the house and stuff, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:44.320 we're just like b f F and it's just nobody. 0:09:44.440 --> 0:09:46.599 Nobody's like they're like you talk to him like that, 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:51.040 Oh yeah, Like we're we're literally having fun. I mean 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.240 that's that's pretty much. Once you break the ice. The 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.040 rest of the time, it's it's super easy. They just 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.959 like they just go like this and then they realiz 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.640 is that you know, you're you know, you're funny. You know, 0:10:02.679 --> 0:10:05.080 you like to joke around, and I think that that's 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:07.600 like something that kind of catches people off guard. They 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:12.480 think you're going to be super serious. But you know, yeah, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:14.760 I'm sure they they it's a relief for them though, 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.960 you know, but I'm sure they want you to tap 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:20.680 into the seriousness at the negotiating table. Well that that 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.280 always happens and stuff. I mean, you know, it's I 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.800 wish I had the negotiating skills that I do now 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.600 when I was with w W. I'll put it that 0:10:32.040 --> 0:10:34.800 would it would have it would have been a lot different, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:41.880 you know, sitting across from Vinnie Mack maybe yeah. Well, 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:46.120 you know, hey, listen, it's a different world. And uh, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.160 I think you've done a great job with your career. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.160 But we'll transition. We'll talk a little bit about the 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.079 wrestling world and we'll get back to the realty a 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:58.160 little bit later on Big Week Wrestling. It's been it's 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:01.080 been a big last like six months and wrestling with 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:03.600 all the stuff going on, and we'll talk about everything, 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:06.920 but I want to talk about most recent stuff. Raw 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:10.880 thirty was this past week. First of all, crazy enough 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:14.840 that Raw is thirty years old, because I can't believe 0:11:15.360 --> 0:11:17.920 that thirty years of Monday Night Raw is a thing, 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:21.240 because I remember it just starting. I remember not even 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.160 wanting it to happen, because I used to love the 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:25.480 format of the original shows where it was just squash 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.760 matches in an arena and them sitting in a room 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:32.200 talking about I love that. But Raw thirty, Can you 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:38.120 believe it's been that long? It was pretty pretty crazy watching, 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:45.439 you know, because I remember Yo vaguely, you know, the 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.400 raws with the Ico pro and everything else, and you 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:53.600 know in the bar like stuff like that, you know, 0:11:54.559 --> 0:11:58.920 as being the first. And then when Raw kind of 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:02.320 hit its heyday, I was running a Golds gym in 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:08.000 Memphis and I was kind of the next manager at 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:09.680 the time, so I didn't get to watch it other 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:14.240 than you know, sound off, you know, and on the 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.400 treadmill acting like I was talking to a client, you know, 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:19.800 talking to somebody and you know, smooze them over and 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.320 stuff like that. Now, those guys would always come through 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:24.880 and work out at the gym and stuff. But I mean, 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:26.760 you know, back back in the day, you know when 0:12:26.800 --> 0:12:29.960 the Monday Night Wars happened and you know all that, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.000 it was pretty much for me kind of sound off. 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:35.960 So you know, I got to see it, you know, 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.680 on the TV, but didn't you know, didn't really you know, 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.319 get to hear the excitement and you know everything else. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:47.320 But I mean, you know, you look back, I mean 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.520 thirty years. I mean, good God, in this business, I 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:54.679 mean that's that's huge. Yeah, it's incredible, and it's funny too. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.080 I mean, for as long as you were in the 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:01.000 WWE system, you were usually married to the other side. 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:03.599 Though you were either linked to the SmackDown and e 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.960 c W which was linked to SmackDown still, but you 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:08.840 had to go to the raw side. You did. You 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:12.400 did have to go to tapings. You were backstage for 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.640 a lot of stuff. What was the raw vibe like 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:18.760 because SmackDown I mean, you know, granted still a TV taping, 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.400 but raw live. What was the TV environment like at 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:27.440 a raw uh? Fanatical? I mean, you know, always kind 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:32.479 of kind of crazy because you know, you had a mastermind, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:36.960 lunatic running the show. And that would change change things 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:41.400 at a whim and stuff like that. And and two 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.160 I think you know at that time kind of when 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.360 I was there, is it wasn't the same raw where 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.400 we where they knew they were going to go and 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:56.480 just just destroy numbers. You know. Uh kind of kind 0:13:56.520 --> 0:14:00.199 of the point where I was there, you know you're 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:05.040 talking about yeah, as a as a as a whole, 0:14:05.760 --> 0:14:07.960 there was too much TV to watch. You know, we're 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.160 just getting all all the cable shows, We're getting all 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.920 this other stuff. Uh, you know, I think ratings were 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:14.400 a little bit down, so it's like, all right, what 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:18.200 can we do to you know, burst burst the ratings tonight, 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.640 you know kind of thing. And they've and they had 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:26.840 already kind of done it, so you know, it was different, 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:33.640 different than that, But I mean, yeah, definitely fun. I 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.640 mean I always liked it on nights that we take 0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:38.840 E c W on those you know beforehand on the 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:44.440 on the Monday nightnings. Right, just different, just a different 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:49.120 you want to get out of the way or one 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:52.840 night early, get it out of the way. Did you 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.440 get a chance to check out any of this Raw 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:59.040 thirty show? Uh? I watch it, Uh, like I do 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.440 everything now on the treadmill. The next day at the 0:15:03.480 --> 0:15:06.560 gym I work out at, you could do YouTube and 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:12.320 there's some highlight WW Monday Night Highlight or whatever, and 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.120 it's you know, sixty sixty minutes, but it's just the 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:18.880 really good clips of everything. So I kind of watched that, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:23.479 but I never watched it on sound, and I really should. Yeah, 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.360 but I can only imagine that. You know, Ron Simmons said, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:29.920 damn that Chad did whatever he did, and you know, 0:15:30.080 --> 0:15:32.160 some stuff I saw, I was like, all right, you know, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:35.160 this is an ode. I thought there should have been 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:39.240 more people. There was a lot more people that think, 0:15:39.440 --> 0:15:42.120 you know, it should have been on that that contributed 0:15:42.280 --> 0:15:46.880 raw and stuff that are out there and aren't with 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.280 a major company that you know wouldn't have you know, 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.400 costat friction or you know, given others publicity. But at 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:57.520 the end of the day, I mean, you know, maybe 0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:00.160 that forbidden door should have been opened, you know, as 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:03.880 they say, just because it's thirty years or raw. I mean, yeah, 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:06.960 it gives everybody, hey, we were here, we did this 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.480 and everything else. It was weird, you know, it's it's 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.200 they go to the list. I liked what they had. 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:17.560 Hulk Hogan kick off the show and he did just 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.720 a general welcome. I thought that was perfect because it was, 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:24.440 you know, ninety seconds to two minutes. It got the 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.240 crowd pumped. What would you have would you have really 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:32.560 said that Hogan was what made Raw? It was No, 0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:36.320 it wasn't, but he was at all. No, but he 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.880 was there. He was technically there, you know, three months 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.600 after it launched. It wasn't on many of them at 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.120 the beginning, but then you know, when the nWo was 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:49.400 brought back in two thousand and two, the one I actually, 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.520 I'll tell you my favorite Raw main event of all 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:55.080 time is the nw O versus Austin and Rock. Oh absolutely, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.400 you know. And then yeah, one of their I think 0:16:57.440 --> 0:17:00.360 one of their biggest ratings of that era. So like, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:02.920 he's got but they got him out of the way, 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.160 so they put him on the intro of the show 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:08.040 and that's it. But they go right into this segment 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:11.399 with the bloodline and Sammy's Ain. They call it the 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.760 Trial of Sammy's Ain. It was originally supposed to be 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:19.840 a very Samoan geared segment. And this is the weird thing. 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:24.080 So they said Afa and Sicca couldn't travel to be 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:26.320 at this thing. But I guess Off and Seco don't 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.879 live in Pennsylvania anymore, because this show was in Philly. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:35.680 I thought they lived in Pennsylvania. I thought too, So yeah, 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:39.280 so that was weird. RAKESHI apparently is not feeling very well, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.000 so he couldn't travel, so they had to change the 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:44.919 booking on the fly and to this trial thing. I 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:47.159 don't watch raw. I watched it because I wanted to 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:49.640 see Hogan. I wanted to see some of the segments. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:52.320 I have to give them a lot of credit. This 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:55.840 trial of sammy'se Anything was the best wrestling television I've 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:00.000 seen in ages. It was compelling, it was well written, 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.480 it was what everybody played their part really well. And 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.880 if you do watch it, I would suggest check it out. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.600 It was very well. I mean I watched them but 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:12.640 without any volume, And even without volume, I'm following along. Yeah, 0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.480 you know, I keep my music on and and kind 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.800 of watch and it's still you could still, you know, 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:24.199 get a vibe of what's what's going on. I mean, 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.960 I think they're killing it. Uh, you know, all those 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:34.879 guys are just insanely talented. Everything else, I mean, you know, 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:38.520 the family history there there's no reason why they ever 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.520 not be talented, you know, with the with the with 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.800 the bloodlines they have so so definitely I would I 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:51.720 would say that that's I mean, you know, I read 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.639 something online or oh they took up too much time, 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.119 so this this match or that match got But you 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:00.760 know what, they're the main event. I mean, they're they're it. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.320 I mean, they're they're what will sell you know, WrestleMania, 0:19:04.320 --> 0:19:07.679 and everything else will be whatever Roman Reigns does with 0:19:07.800 --> 0:19:11.679 whoever what he does. They get the time, you know, 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.879 and they deserve that. They deserve the time because I 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:18.600 mean they're keeping you glued to the TV. So yeah, 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.600 I got a huge rating. And you know it's funny, 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.119 like I mean, everybody wants to talk about Sammy Zayin's 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.080 his great wrestler, and he's you know, they're not showcasing 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:29.240 and wrestling. He's he's showing better personality than if they 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:31.440 put him in the ring. People are more into him, 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:33.840 you know, making jokes than if he put him put 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.720 him in his tights. Yeah, he's so talented, it's ridiculous. Uh. 0:19:38.760 --> 0:19:40.399 But then so then the show, I mean, to me, 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.600 after that, I mean, the Undertaker comes back as the 0:19:42.640 --> 0:19:44.679 American bad ass. I thought that was a great, you know, 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.439 little segment. It was got a huge pop. Apparently I 0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:50.560 saw the clip like you did on online because I 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.480 tapped out after the Bloodline segment. But then yeah, I 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:57.840 think it kind of went down and you know, they 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.320 did the d X thing and yeah, which is so 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:07.080 overdone and so whatever of all those guys, and I'm yeah, 0:20:07.520 --> 0:20:11.240 you know me, I'm a huge Billy Gun Yeah, because 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:17.719 he's he's like my brother there. It's just I don't know, 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:21.840 it's just like, yeah, like you know, we're gonna bring 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:26.280 those guys out, you know, and have them face to 0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:29.879 face this and we're gonna do nothing to me. It 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.480 was It's weird. I should have listened to it, I guess, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:36.840 but it's silently watching it. So here's what they did. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:40.920 I'll explain what they did. They you know, uh, road 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.600 Dog did the whole spiel, but when he would go 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:46.600 to Billy's part, he turns and it was kurd Angle. 0:20:47.720 --> 0:20:50.080 Kre Angle says I always wanted to be in d 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.040 X and reveals he's got a d X shirt. So 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:55.199 that was how they did the nod to Billy, right, 0:20:55.800 --> 0:21:01.600 But you're assuming everybody a knows Billy at this point 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.000 in twenty twenty three, if you're a younger audience, you 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:05.680 might not even know who he is, if you don't 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.240 know the history of the business. And then you're also 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.720 assuming that they watch a W and know that Billy's 0:21:10.720 --> 0:21:15.240 on a W and that's you're then you're telling yourself 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.640 that only this number of people are watching both products. 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.399 So I just think it's weird. It well, well too 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:25.840 many times, and assuming both the fans know both sides 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:27.919 of the product, I don't know, very weird, but DX, 0:21:27.960 --> 0:21:30.720 it's so lame. It was lame then it's it's even 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:35.840 more lame now. It was revolutionary then now it's it was. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:40.600 It was good, but just trying to be yeah, it's 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.000 come on, let's you know, let's let's move on. It 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.320 was cool, but it was like it was the the 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:52.000 nWo had that little bit up, you know, it was 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:55.440 and like what sewn Shaw Michaels left the group. It 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:58.000 was like when Shawn Michaels there, they had that edge 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:00.359 because he was such a dick. He gave them the 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:03.640 dick edge. When he left, they had that more goofy edge, 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:06.760 which you know people liked. But now they're just kind 0:22:06.760 --> 0:22:13.120 of corny. It's a legit corny. All right, I'm daking. 0:22:13.200 --> 0:22:15.920 I'm just giving my piece, you know. That's that's that's 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.280 just me. But okay, so that was raw thirty. So yeah, 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.200 like you said, you you felt there could have been 0:22:20.200 --> 0:22:22.520 more legends that were outside the box than the same 0:22:22.560 --> 0:22:27.080 ones that they bring back. Yes, I tend to agree. Otherwise, 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.120 you know, WWE's on the road to WrestleMania. The Royal 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:35.000 Rumble is coming up. I can't not ask you about 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:38.320 your Royal Rumble experience. Royal Rumble two thousand and seven. 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:41.600 I just watched it just to prepare for you coming on. 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.919 I believe you enter after Chris Benoi, who then also 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:48.880 I was, I was number twenty one. According he also 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:51.159 dumps you out acording to the Net Today, and that 0:22:51.280 --> 0:22:54.280 was sixteen years ago according to the Net Today, because 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.000 I got reminded of that this morning when I you know, 0:22:57.080 --> 0:23:00.200 got on Twitter or whatever else, uh, you know, which 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:06.879 was cool. Yeah, I mean, I mean wrestle you know, 0:23:08.119 --> 0:23:12.360 wrestling and Royal Rumble, Wrestling, Madison Square Garden Wrestling, and Mania. 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:14.960 I mean those are all things that you know, you 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:17.879 try to check off as a you know, as a 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:22.080 wrestler of things that you know, you have to you know, 0:23:22.359 --> 0:23:24.679 do you know, to say that you've made it this 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:28.960 business so absolutely, I mean you know, and then you know, 0:23:29.040 --> 0:23:32.040 Chris Chris bin Wall putting me out may probably never 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:38.439 be seen because of whatever. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, but 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:41.960 I mean it's you know, it was definitely a fun experience, 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:45.960 you know, and when you look back, you're like, man, 0:23:46.040 --> 0:23:49.439 I did that, so it's pretty cool. But what I 0:23:49.480 --> 0:23:52.600 love about it is just the sheer beef in the ring. 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:57.120 I mean it's just oh yeah, I mean we would 0:23:57.119 --> 0:24:01.760 squash every a w fucking talent out there with what 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:05.399 was in that ring. You know, that's not knocking a 0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:08.000 w I mean they've they've got a crap ton of talent, 0:24:08.080 --> 0:24:11.800 but those I mean it's you know, a lot smaller 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.280 generation of wrestlers and stuff like that. I mean, when 0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.520 you know, I'm to sixty five and I'm in that 0:24:19.640 --> 0:24:24.879 ring and I'm small, I mean comparatively to what really 0:24:24.920 --> 0:24:27.960 is out there, that's saying something. I mean, that's that's 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:31.239 that's pretty insane, you know. That's that's kind of like 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:35.720 the funny thing now is you know, yeah, people you know, 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:39.280 going and showing the houses, people asking questions, going to 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:42.520 different functions with kids, you know, my children and stuff 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:46.720 like that. You know, everybody's got questions about wrestling, and 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.719 they're like, oh, you had to be one of the biggest. No, 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.159 I wasn't. No, not even in the ring that I was. 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:57.560 I was small to medium at best, you know, even 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:01.119 at sixty five. I mean, you know, going in the 0:25:01.160 --> 0:25:03.119 locker rooms back in the day, I mean you just 0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:05.880 sit there and be like, holy crap. I mean that's 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.360 big boys. But you know, but it's funny. But when 0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:11.639 they launched E c W, and you know, and they 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:14.440 put you in there with your you know, different characters, 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.040 so that when they were trying to branch out the 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:20.679 different personalities. The thing about that ECW is that it 0:25:20.840 --> 0:25:23.440 was kind of a hodgepodge of guy. So you were 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.960 more of a standout in terms of your size with 0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:29.040 that group. But then if you lumped in then the 0:25:29.080 --> 0:25:32.800 rest of the SmackDown roster, No, then you definitely started 0:25:32.800 --> 0:25:36.679 to move down the size chain. I throw you in 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:38.880 the Royal Rumble. No, in that ring. When you run 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:41.240 in the ring, you're you know, you're probably maybe like 0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.560 the eighth biggest guy in the ring. Yeah. Yeah, And 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:46.760 I mean you think about ECW back in the day. 0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:51.040 I mean, you know, there wasn't any big, big guys. 0:25:51.119 --> 0:25:54.760 I mean, Hayman took what he had and made it, 0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.320 you know, elaborate. I mean, you know, you look at 0:25:58.320 --> 0:26:01.480 a Taz. Taz is never huge, but you know the 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:04.320 way that uh you know, I still I still remember 0:26:04.960 --> 0:26:08.560 I was in Memphis and Taz was coming down for 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:12.399 Memphis Championship Wrestling because we were kind of developmental territory 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:15.159 at the time, and he was there to wrestle uh 0:26:16.000 --> 0:26:20.720 uh Jerry and meeting Tasks for the first time, and 0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:24.639 I was like, holy ship, you're small like I was, 0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.119 you know, like oh and oh you know, but I mean, dude, 0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:33.280 his demeanor and everything else. I mean he was ten 0:26:33.320 --> 0:26:35.680 foot tall and bulletproof, just like the rest of them. 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:38.000 The way the way, you know, the way he ran 0:26:38.119 --> 0:26:40.879 himself and everything else, which was which was so cool. 0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.040 And I mean I think that's that's why e c W. 0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.720 You know, back in the day, you know, Fran Scene 0:26:45.720 --> 0:26:48.240 and all those guys, I mean, they they you know, 0:26:50.119 --> 0:26:53.399 they did it is because they presented themselves as you know, 0:26:53.440 --> 0:26:57.119 ten foot tall and bulletproof. No matter what. Yeah, you know, 0:26:57.200 --> 0:27:00.199 that's and it's pretty cool. Yeah, No, it's a that 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:02.400 was different. And they only the biggest guy they had 0:27:02.480 --> 0:27:05.280 up to probably like ninety six was nine to one 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.920 one and he was I think six ' six among them. 0:27:09.000 --> 0:27:11.520 You know, he was the big show or you know, 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:15.720 Andre the giant. He was massive. Because I mean Taz 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.639 is probably my highest probably like five seven. He's not 0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:22.400 the biggest guy in the world. So you know, nothing 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:23.960 against people who are five to seven. I think I'm 0:27:23.960 --> 0:27:26.840 a great height. So yeah, but I stand next to 0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:32.720 you and it's not not the tallest guy. But yeah, 0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.400 so now that's a great thing to go back and watch. 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:36.760 Listening to the commentary is always something I'd like to 0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.280 go back and listen to because I always wonder, is 0:27:39.320 --> 0:27:42.240 it the big guy telling them what to say? Is 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.040 it a little bit of a little commentary being thrown 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.399 out there. It's Lawler. I believe Taz maybe Jr. On 0:27:49.600 --> 0:27:52.840 commentary for this one. Lawler gets law was very complimentary 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:56.120 of you when you get in there throwing some haymakers, 0:27:56.160 --> 0:28:00.159 you know, and obviously the history with Memphis, so you know, 0:28:00.160 --> 0:28:02.560 I don't know, did Jerry you know, did you guys 0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:05.040 have a relationship with w W E or was it 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:08.280 just kind of passing by when you were at the shows. Uh? No, 0:28:08.359 --> 0:28:12.040 I mean, you know, Jerry always remembered me and everything else. 0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:17.080 Jerry's Jerry. You know, Jerry looks out for Jerry, you know, 0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:21.640 which is is whatever. But no, I mean we we 0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:26.000 always had a good relationship. I mean every time I 0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.320 was in the ring, he always made me look bigger 0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:33.919 than life, you know, and it would take care of me, 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.040 you know up there. I don't know, I mean, you know, 0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.120 he was always just kind of the commentator everything else. 0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:45.360 You know, with Jerry, I think he always looked out 0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:50.280 for his position in Memphis and stuff like that, and 0:28:50.360 --> 0:28:54.200 another kid from Memphis coming in. You know, I don't know. 0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.160 You know, you had Brian at the time, you know, 0:28:59.560 --> 0:29:02.120 depending on where Brian was in his life, if he 0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.520 was going to be around or not. And I mean 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.280 Brian took care of me too a bunch of times, 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:11.280 right just you know, uh Dark matches, Jack matches, stuff 0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:14.120 like that. I mean I would be paired up, uh 0:29:14.520 --> 0:29:17.720 you know, in tags wrestling him and Scottie, and I mean, 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.640 you know, Brian would always you know, do stuff to 0:29:20.640 --> 0:29:22.360 make me look good and you know, take care of 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:25.080 me and tell me to calm down and stuff like that. 0:29:25.240 --> 0:29:29.000 So I mean, you know, as a whole you know. 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:37.920 Uh yeah, Jerry definitely, you know, never did anything but 0:29:38.120 --> 0:29:40.760 nice things for me, I mean, with within reason. So 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:42.160 that's what I was thinking. I was thinking maybe that 0:29:42.240 --> 0:29:45.120 Memphis kinship, maybe he was just looking being a complimentary 0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:48.280 one of his Memphis boys. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, 0:29:49.240 --> 0:29:51.400 and at the time, you know, I think, you know, 0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.440 who knows, they might have had ideas for me and 0:29:54.440 --> 0:29:59.160 everything else, and I made it. You know, He's end 0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:01.200 up seeing what happen, I guess. I mean, I got 0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.040 a spot me and Shelley, you know, grabbing a lottery ball. 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:07.640 I mean you know, yes, I mean that was extra 0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:12.000 that was extra airtime. I mean really yeah, yeah, that's right. No, 0:30:12.080 --> 0:30:14.000 that's right. Actually, and I did see that too as 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.120 I was scanning through the going to the to the match. 0:30:17.400 --> 0:30:19.520 I have to yeah, I also have to. I was 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:21.920 gonna pull it up. I had the picture. I got 0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:23.960 to give you credit as I was doing my of course, 0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:27.959 my research for you. Your your dynamite haircut. When they 0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:30.719 were repackaging you, you looked pretty spiffy with that hairdo 0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:35.240 my friend cut your hair and before you before you 0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:37.640 got released and No. Nine or eight whenever it was, 0:30:37.880 --> 0:30:43.080 that was terrible. Oh no, you look great. That was 0:30:43.160 --> 0:30:46.880 reminiscent of your your real turn. Uh promo shot. That 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:52.240 haircut was down somewhat there. You look good. I don't 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.320 know what you look The nights were not good. The haircuts. 0:30:56.640 --> 0:30:58.920 Part about that was as I got back from England, 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.600 they wanted to a haircut. I try to figure that out, 0:31:01.680 --> 0:31:04.920 got that haircut show up, and then Vince asked why 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:13.440 I cut my hair? Oh did he so? You know whatever? Yeah, 0:31:13.520 --> 0:31:15.360 they told me I needed to cut my hair because 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.320 Vince wanted me to, and then cut my hair and 0:31:18.320 --> 0:31:20.920 then Vince asked me why I cut my hair? That's, 0:31:21.200 --> 0:31:26.640 you know, the good part about w W. You see 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.480 Johnny's hitting the convention scene. Oh man, I cannot wait 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.560 to see Johnny Axe on the on the convention scene. 0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.880 I look I looked forward to those uncomfort uncomfortable conversations 0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:42.960 with you know people around that are like, yeah, you 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.880 totally dicked us over and fired us and uh, you 0:31:46.920 --> 0:31:50.320 know everything else. He's got to have the the Undertaker 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:52.520 set up where they pull him into like a curtained 0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:55.440 room and separate him, you know, and have the separate 0:31:55.440 --> 0:31:57.640 line in a different area. They got to have like 0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:02.600 secret service protection around him. You know. It's the wrestling business. 0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:06.200 None will say shit, no, no kisses ass and act 0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:08.800 like it's all fine and dandy and just the way. 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:13.280 That's whatever. Everybody sets new Year's resolutions, and hardly any 0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:15.640 of us keep them. But when setting them, it's time 0:32:15.680 --> 0:32:18.760 to set goals that you actually strive to attain. And 0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.400 I'm ready for this new year. 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You just tweeted and 0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:36.520 it was like thank you very much to blah blah 0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.160 blah for the experience, you know, look forward to seeing it. 0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.239 And I'm like, what the hell is this? I'm like, 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:43.160 what how is How did you not tell me about this? 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:46.279 And I called you right away? But you popped up 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:51.000 randomly on a w dark in a lumberjack match as 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:57.480 they came through Indianapolis. So I was I was on 0:34:57.600 --> 0:35:03.200 Friday night night. My my my, my fault. Tell the story 0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.279 because it literally happened days after you were on with 0:35:06.360 --> 0:35:10.799 us the last time. Yeah, so on that Uh, just 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.840 they were in town and Indianapolis and just you know, 0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:18.000 went down there to see uh see mister ass and 0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:21.800 you know, uh the gun boys and a couple, you know, 0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:24.280 a couple couple others and so on and so forth, 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:28.080 and uh, you know, hanging out backstage. I had my 0:35:28.120 --> 0:35:32.520 buddy Dennis Kelly, who plays for the Colts with me. 0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:37.000 He's he's a huge wrestling fan and uh maybe one 0:35:37.080 --> 0:35:39.600 day he'll he'll be stepping in a ring killing somebody 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:43.560 just because he's he's got wrestling knowledge unlike any other. 0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.440 But we're just hanging out and then uh yeah, q T. 0:35:48.640 --> 0:35:51.799 Marshall came up and was like, hey, uh you want 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.920 to be in this lumberjack match. I'm like, uh I guess. 0:35:56.960 --> 0:35:58.879 He goes, you got your gear? And I'm like, why 0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:01.600 would I have my gear? Like I came here. I 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.279 came here to hang out, Like I'm not trying to 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.120 get a job at this point. I'm yeah, I like, 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.400 oh yeah, yep. On like and I'm sitting there thinking, like, 0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:15.120 you know, I guess maybe that is how most people 0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:21.279 do it, but anymore, I just don't. And uh. So 0:36:21.320 --> 0:36:23.319 he's like, well, how far do you live from here? 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:25.680 I'm like, well, I'm about twenty minutes, you know, give 0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:31.080 or take. So you know, I ran home. I Dennis 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.520 had to come with me as just because he had 0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.880 to laugh the whole time because I was then a 0:36:35.920 --> 0:36:38.239 nervous wreck because I was like, oh shit, I don't 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:42.600 have anything organized in my basement where all my stuff is. 0:36:42.680 --> 0:36:45.839 It's just it's kind of there. It's you know, spread out. 0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.480 It's not like in a suitcase. It's ready. I mean, 0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:51.600 boots are here, tights are there, this is there, that's there, 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:54.960 grab you know whatever else. So literally I get home 0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.080 and I'm like, oh, you know, trying to grab stuff. 0:36:58.120 --> 0:37:00.719 And then I'm like, you know what I am and 0:37:00.760 --> 0:37:04.600 I'm not going to go dress uh and uh you 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:07.920 know in the hallway or in some you know, some 0:37:08.200 --> 0:37:11.359 talent locker room or what you know whatever as far 0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.480 as and not that I'm over, I just I just 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:16.239 want my own space to get dressed. So I was like, 0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:19.279 I'm getting dressed here. And then I come upstairs, I 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:22.279 have everything on, and he's dying laughing, you know, like 0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.600 what are we doing? I go, look, it is what 0:37:25.719 --> 0:37:27.480 it is we get pulled over. This is gonna be 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.719 the best story ever. So we you know, drove back, 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:35.680 got there, you know, go and do whatever. I thought 0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:38.640 there was gonna be a lot more TV exposure than 0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.560 there was. I mean, you saw me like three seconds here, 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:44.680 three seconds there. But you know what, the check came 0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:50.520 about two weeks later for absolutely doing nothing. And you know, 0:37:50.640 --> 0:37:52.600 we've got nothing but good things to say. I mean, 0:37:53.080 --> 0:38:00.239 they they've got a great thing going. Aw you know, 0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:02.319 a lot of guys are getting a lot of opportunities 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:06.120 and stuff like that. Uh, you know, I think booking 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.399 needs as a whole needs to simmer down. I think 0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.360 they keep hiring too many people. At some point you 0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:17.239 got to stop hiring God and everybody and just concentrate 0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:21.359 on this, this and this and start building. But I mean, 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:24.880 you know, Tony's toy and you know, and he's you know, 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:27.560 I mean given a lot of guys a lot of 0:38:27.600 --> 0:38:31.480 opportunities to make money that all deserve it. So you know, 0:38:31.880 --> 0:38:36.399 I definitely never gonna hate it because it's given guys opportunities, 0:38:36.840 --> 0:38:38.880 you know, to make to make money with what they have. 0:38:39.239 --> 0:38:43.240 And you know, not necessarily nothing wrong with the indies, 0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:47.680 but you know, having a little bit more uh, you know, 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:52.200 comfort and knowing I've got a paycheck next week, which 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:56.120 which I think, you know, definitely helps out of you know, 0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:58.759 not being out there going. I don't know, you know, 0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:02.160 as long with the these bookings, I'm getting paid, but 0:39:02.719 --> 0:39:07.759 something happens, I'm out, you know, my mortgage, I'm out 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.799 my car card and all this other stuff. So at least, 0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.200 you know, list those guys are getting those opportunities, so 0:39:14.760 --> 0:39:17.600 you know, as a whole, I mean, next time they're 0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.759 in town, I don't know, hopefully I'll bring my gear 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.360 this time. I guess maybe just in case. But it 0:39:23.440 --> 0:39:27.360 was still pretty funny just leaving, leaving, going, getting dressed 0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.600 and coming and coming back. And I was it was 0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:34.920 pretty entertaining. So what did you think of the crowd? Uh, 0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:40.560 crowd was good, I'll be honest, though, Uh the rampage 0:39:40.640 --> 0:39:45.719 crowd was nonexistent by the time. By the time we 0:39:45.800 --> 0:39:48.040 got in the ring, I looked looked around and I 0:39:48.160 --> 0:39:52.360 was like, holy crap, this this place was filled to 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:55.280 the room, you know, for the for the first show, 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:59.400 and then now it was just it was done. And 0:39:59.480 --> 0:40:01.239 I you know, and I think that comes down to 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.560 you you know, with with anything like that. And it 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:07.480 was like that with E. C W back back in 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:10.600 the day too, if we filmed before raw or before 0:40:10.719 --> 0:40:13.719 SmackDown or whatever. I mean, it was great because it 0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:15.879 was pack that it was the first thing they'd seen 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:19.759 everything else after SmackDown, and we would would go out there, 0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.440 you could just tell people are just done. I mean, 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:26.120 they were worn out, they were tired. You know, wasn't 0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.680 the main show, so they weren't as in tune to it, 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.640 you know. So I think that kind of comes with 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.880 with you know, with all that is. And I know 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:38.840 it's a budget thing, but I think at some point 0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:42.799 they're they're gonna have to do, Hey, this is rampage, 0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:46.319 this is done, you know. And I think it just 0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:50.160 makes it for for better for better stuff, you know, 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:52.959 and for better crowds and crowds that are into it, 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:56.880 because you know, when I did look up and look around, 0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:03.880 it was like, oh and nobody's there, you know. And 0:41:03.960 --> 0:41:05.759 I talked to a couple of friends of mine because 0:41:05.760 --> 0:41:08.400 I didn't let anybody know that, you know, I had 0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:11.480 gone home, got change was in there. I was like, 0:41:11.520 --> 0:41:13.960 oh were you there? Oh ship dude. We were in 0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:18.359 the car all the way. Oh yeah, awesome, thanks, yeah, 0:41:18.400 --> 0:41:23.279 thanks guys. Yeah, that's terrible. And it's it's interesting because 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.279 they could get worn out and it seems like they 0:41:25.400 --> 0:41:28.400 kind of wear themselves out with they're just they're like 0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:31.560 kind of over the top. They're chanting and yelling, and 0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:36.719 they put themselves into like every single match like too much. Well, 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:39.479 they try to make every match the main events. Yeah, 0:41:39.600 --> 0:41:43.000 but you know with a W and stuff like this, 0:41:43.360 --> 0:41:48.080 it's and I mean, you know, I had the privilege 0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:51.560 and experience and everything else of Rip Rogers, who was 0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:55.200 one of our trainers here. And Rip's crazier and shit, 0:41:55.600 --> 0:41:58.560 I love him to death, but has he's like corn 0:41:58.600 --> 0:42:01.960 app though. They've got a love for the business like 0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.759 no other and the smarts for the business like no other. 0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:09.680 And Rip used to have us in OVW. We'd build 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.200 the show and you know, the first match would be 0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:15.759 like a schoolboy roll up and then you know it 0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:18.719 and everything would transpire. Okay, then now the next match 0:42:18.760 --> 0:42:20.520 would have that, but that would be the false finish, 0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:23.719 and then the next match would would use you know 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:28.080 something you know, uh, middle middle of the card, right 0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:32.480 before you know, intermission. Stuff like that would be you know, 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:35.479 someone launching somebody over the top rope and then hitting 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.440 the floor and just selling like it killed them, you know, 0:42:38.920 --> 0:42:41.160 and then all that would transpire to the main event, 0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.880 and then the main event would put all of those 0:42:44.000 --> 0:42:47.640 aspects in their match and they had the people eating 0:42:47.680 --> 0:42:53.040 out of their hands because they were it built to that. 0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:57.040 But you know, with with aw matches and stuff like that, 0:42:57.239 --> 0:42:59.600 is I mean, that was like to you know, today 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.080 in gym, I'm you know, trying to watch some stuff, 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:04.680 you know, knowing we're going to be here today talking. 0:43:05.960 --> 0:43:09.839 But I mean, first match, you know, they're over the top, 0:43:10.040 --> 0:43:14.040 through the ropes, I mean, and everything's on the outside. 0:43:14.080 --> 0:43:17.640 It just you know, and then two with with with them, 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:21.520 uh you know, my biggest disconnect is every week has 0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:27.040 blood now like blood used to be main you know, 0:43:27.880 --> 0:43:30.560 a main event. I mean, you know, and there's guys 0:43:30.600 --> 0:43:33.600 that you know, I mean, one of one of the 0:43:33.640 --> 0:43:38.600 matches I remember specifically was Eddie Guerrero and jbl In. 0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.120 The blood that they did, you know in that Great 0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:47.959 American Bash was absolutely insane. I thought Eddie damn near 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.400 cut his f and head off when he got to 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:54.000 the back and everything else. But that that's what it 0:43:54.080 --> 0:43:57.000 called for but to also you know in that those 0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.480 guys are making you know, probably five hundred into a 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:03.359 million apiece to bleed like that. I can get it, 0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:07.560 you know it, you know, and they're making that money 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:10.600 where I maybe you know, just doing it for the 0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:14.360 sake of TV every week. It's just it's got to 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.400 build something to me. And I think it just it 0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:23.520 uh you become uh desensitized. I guess I do. I 0:44:23.520 --> 0:44:26.880 think that's the word. Yeah, yeah, because you're he doesn't 0:44:26.880 --> 0:44:30.280 mean anything anymore. Yeah, You're just it's it's not bothering 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.040 me anymore. Now. It's like it's just a typical you know, 0:44:34.440 --> 0:44:37.960 you know kind of kind of stuff. Right. So I 0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:40.319 mean I think, you know, those kind of changes need 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.399 to be made, you know, with their product and everything else. 0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:47.239 But I mean as a whole, it's it's it's awesome television. 0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:49.560 And I mean seeing some of these guys you know, 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:51.920 like you know, mg F and some other ones that 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:57.640 are ye you know, homegrown, that are really starting to 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.720 get over and starting to you know, be huge park. 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:02.200 And then when you go to the you know, the 0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.200 wrestle cons and the autograph signings and seeing the lines 0:45:06.200 --> 0:45:09.439 for those guys it's like, all right, they're they're doing 0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.240 you get it. So it's you know, definitely definitely pretty 0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:16.000 cool to see. So and it's weird to your point 0:45:16.040 --> 0:45:18.680 that women's match that had all that blood two weeks 0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:22.480 ago whatever it was one. So if there's nobody saying 0:45:22.520 --> 0:45:26.440 for that, she just got herself, you know, nobody, nobody's 0:45:26.440 --> 0:45:28.920 pays for it. And then two, I mean, ratings are 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:33.120 so so on a Friday night. I mean you you know, 0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:37.120 you know, I and and those and those girls work 0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:40.520 their asses off. I mean they they I mean Ruby. 0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:43.400 So she's amazing. I mean she's an Indiana person, I 0:45:43.480 --> 0:45:47.839 mean up up north. I mean absolutely amazing talent, you know, 0:45:48.000 --> 0:45:50.360 and and and gave it and put it all on 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.200 the line. It was just like a right, it just 0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.279 needs to be for just a little bit something more. 0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:57.480 And I think it would have been awesome, you know, 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:00.640 at least get super paid for it then just your 0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:06.279 normal check, I guess. Yeah. And she bled like Eddie 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:12.719 Guerrero on a show. Yeah yeah, Inane, that's wow. Well, 0:46:12.840 --> 0:46:15.680 that time flew by for eyes up here, But I 0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.400 am going to invite you to stay to do the 0:46:18.440 --> 0:46:22.240 rest of our Patreon content with us. If that's okay 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:24.840 with you, since you were the invited guests of the 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:29.240 Queen of Extreme Absolutely, okay. Well, we'll wrap up today, 0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:33.080 but I will run down the Patreon content for everybody listening. 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:36.600 Of course, we'll do the watch alongs, but I'm going 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:38.440 to throw a little bit of a curve ball. We're 0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:42.279 gonna do two watch alongs only because, as we've documented 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:44.240 with Francine, you guys didn't get a lot of time 0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:48.359 in ECW. You guys were a little bit rushed and 0:46:48.400 --> 0:46:51.000 some of these segments are like four minutes and you're out. 0:46:52.239 --> 0:46:55.600 So not only are we going to watch Ariel versus 0:46:55.800 --> 0:47:00.239 Francine uh and it's whopping, you know, three minute, it's 0:47:00.239 --> 0:47:03.560 in forty five. Yeah, but we're also going to watch 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:06.520 the match you talked about the last time you were 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:10.200 on with us, and that is one Kevin Thorn versus 0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:15.319 Ball's mahoney, oh god. And this one has basically if 0:47:15.320 --> 0:47:19.200 it wasn't a referee stoppage, it was a Mercy pinfall. 0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.359 So we're gonna do that and then this one, I mean, 0:47:23.400 --> 0:47:26.320 you know, I think this could become the two parter 0:47:27.000 --> 0:47:30.160 because it is, it is ridiculous, and it is ridiculous 0:47:30.239 --> 0:47:33.120 Wrestling Urban Legends. Now, Francine and I have done lists 0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:36.680 like this before. This has some that we may have covered, 0:47:37.040 --> 0:47:39.040 but there's some that I know we haven't. But I'm 0:47:39.080 --> 0:47:41.239 just curious to hear your take on some of them. 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.279 And I'm sure you might have the two cents on 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:47.279 a few, So just strap in. It's gonna be ridiculous, 0:47:47.320 --> 0:47:50.880 just like the the I'm looking forward to the headlines 0:47:51.320 --> 0:47:53.239 you trying to make me go and I can't talk 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:57.240 about that. I've I already centered it. No, I pulled 0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:00.920 them because I skipped over the parties at either I 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:04.040 know A I can't mention, or B. I just I 0:48:04.160 --> 0:48:06.000 know it's true and I don't want to say it 0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:09.960 because you know I'm not. See folks, when you spend 0:48:10.000 --> 0:48:14.840 time around when you spend time around the guys, you 0:48:14.880 --> 0:48:17.200 know who to talk about and who not to say anything, 0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:20.560 who to mention, who not dimension see. That's why I'm 0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:22.680 tough on with people, man like I say what I 0:48:22.760 --> 0:48:26.799 need to. You know I'm good. But if you want 0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.600 to follow me, it's at Chad E and B on Twitter, 0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:34.400 at IB Exclusives on Instagram. My website is IB Exclusives 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.280 dot com you can catch my autograph signings and everything 0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:41.960 going on in the ib Exclusives land to include Get 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:46.160 ready for this one if you're not already, mister fertig 0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:52.959 Thorn Mordecai this February twenty fifth at the Virginia Beach 0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:56.200 Field House. On ibee exclusives dot com. You have all 0:48:56.239 --> 0:48:59.720 the information on how you can meet one Kevin Thorne. 0:49:00.480 --> 0:49:02.520 You can also send in items to be signed by 0:49:02.600 --> 0:49:07.480 one Kevin Thorn. All the informations on ibexclusives dot com. 0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:12.080 But I haven't seen you in person since twenty seventeen, 0:49:12.880 --> 0:49:16.920 so I cannot wait to hang out with you and 0:49:17.400 --> 0:49:22.040 obviously have you bet yeah, I looked it up. WrestleCade 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.799 twenty seventeen was the last time we were like physically 0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:29.759 in the same room together. But now I mean not 0:49:29.840 --> 0:49:32.800 just for me, obviously for the fans too. In Virginia 0:49:32.840 --> 0:49:37.200 Beach talking to people, people have been messaging me big 0:49:37.239 --> 0:49:42.279 Mordechai fans and you told me Mordecai's last match was 0:49:42.280 --> 0:49:46.080 in that area. So yep, interesting stuff. Where can the 0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:52.160 people find one mister Kevin Ferdig at the Kevin ferdig 0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:57.680 Is Instagram and Twitter and then Facebook. I think it 0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:02.400 is Kevin Fredick really and then just Kevin Ferdick, So 0:50:02.680 --> 0:50:06.400 I kind of kept it pretty easy. Look at that. 0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:08.399 I mean, if this guy doesn't know what he's doing, 0:50:08.440 --> 0:50:10.799 I don't know what else to tell you. So we 0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.000 will get out of here for this week. Again. Thank 0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:16.480 you Kevin for joining us. Catch us on Patreon, Patreon 0:50:16.520 --> 0:50:22.120 dot com, slash Francine podcast for the pale writer. This 0:50:22.280 --> 0:50:24.799 is the Chad start. We will catch you on the 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:25.759 flip side.