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Speaker 1: I Am all in.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 3: I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 1: I Am Scott Patterson. This is the I Am All

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Speaker 1: In Podcast, one on one interview, one of them productions

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. We have a very special guest, Eric Valdez,

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Speaker 1: and I am joined by Tara Suit and Tara, I

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Speaker 1: understand that you are acquainted with Eric.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not Eric for I don't know, like six

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Speaker 4: seven years.

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Speaker 3: It's a long time. Yeah, and I met my wife.

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Speaker 5: Who's really good friends with their Yeah, Cannie and I

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Speaker 5: have been together for almost eleven years.

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Speaker 1: It's been a while.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I worked with Candace when I was working at Radio

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Speaker 4: Disney and then met Eric.

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Speaker 1: Come there, Well, you're from Lubbock, Texas. You're born there,

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Speaker 1: your mom and dad, Miguel and Karen. You're Mexican, Spanish

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Speaker 1: and Native American, which tribe.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 5: On my mom's side, her grandmother was full blood Cherokee,

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Speaker 5: and my dad's side of the family, my grandmother, it

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Speaker 5: depends on how you want to look at it.

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Speaker 3: She grew up in a village called Tecolo.

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Speaker 5: In New Mexico, but that was Mexico prior to the

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Speaker 5: Border movie. So she's both Mexican and Native American, depending

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Speaker 5: on how you want.

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Speaker 3: To look at it. So that was I want to

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Speaker 3: say Peblo tribe.

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Speaker 5: I can't remember exactly, but but yeah, so I've I've

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Speaker 5: got a little bit of a little bit of a

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Speaker 5: lot of things in me.

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Speaker 3: There you go.

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Speaker 1: So you were in theater for years in high school

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Speaker 1: and then you pursued acting film in television. You moved

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Speaker 1: to Los Angeles in two thousand and four. He debuted

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Speaker 1: as Chad in three episodes of Gilmore Girls. You made

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Speaker 1: a guest appearance in television shows including CSI, Miami nine

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Speaker 1: to two and Zero Numbers and Mistresses, best known for

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Speaker 1: his role as Trey Mitchell, and soap opera General Hospital,

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Speaker 1: Carlo Carlito Solano Junior in the drama television series Graceland

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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen fifteen, Kyle Cushing in the superhero television series

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Speaker 1: Superman and Lowist twenty twenty one to present, and your

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Speaker 1: bona fides on Gilmore You appeared in three episodes Chad in.

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Speaker 3: C three episodes. Yeah, there's a there's some really good

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Speaker 3: story to all of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're here to hear it.

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Speaker 5: So, yeah, to your point, it essentially is a glorified

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Speaker 5: extra that role. But it all happened thanks to a

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Speaker 5: guy by the name of Kenny or tagup Sure who

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Speaker 5: you probably remember. So long story short, Yeah, I grew

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Speaker 5: up doing theater in Texas and everything knew I wanted

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Speaker 5: to come out to LA at some point. It took

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Speaker 5: me a while to get out there, and in the

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Speaker 5: interim kind of a you know, a daytime job, so

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Speaker 5: to speak.

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Speaker 3: For about three and a half years, and from ninety

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Speaker 3: nine to like two thousand and four there thereabouts, I

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Speaker 3: worked for Southwest Airlines.

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Speaker 5: I was a flight attendant and that helped me get

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Speaker 5: to and from LA when I wasn't living that was

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Speaker 5: a flexible schedule and allowed me to audition, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: And all that ties into this because on a plane

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Speaker 5: one day from Vegas to Burbank was after the Billboard

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Speaker 5: Music Awards, you know, hype crowd.

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Speaker 3: They just got through with an award show.

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Speaker 5: Half of them were probably hung over, et cetera, but

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Speaker 5: they were all in good moods. And you know, thirty

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Speaker 5: minute flight, short flight. You give me a captive audience

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Speaker 5: and an aluminum tube and I'm going to entertain people.

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Speaker 1: That's what I've always said.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And so all of that is to say that

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Speaker 5: as we're deeplaning and burbank, everybody's getting off, this one

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Speaker 5: guy's kind of standing there and as everybody leaves, he

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Speaker 5: just have to ask you a question. He goes, are

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Speaker 5: you an actor? I said I am. He's like, I

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Speaker 5: his number on a card and said, if you're in

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: So did wrote his name down, and I went home

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Speaker 5: So I went home and I googled the name Kenny Ortega,

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Speaker 3: The Salt Lake City Olympicus. I think it was.

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Speaker 5: And I'm like, okay, this is legit because back then,

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Speaker 5: if you appeared in a Google search like you were somebody,

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Speaker 5: because it was, it was very new.

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Speaker 3: And so I did. I ended up reaching out to him.

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Speaker 5: It's a long story about toll keep it somewhat short,

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Speaker 5: and we had dinner. He asked me what I wanted

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Speaker 5: to do career wise. I told him and kind of

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Speaker 5: talked me in the move in to La earlier than expected.

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Speaker 5: It was always in the books, always a plant, and

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Speaker 5: at the time I really had nothing else going on.

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Speaker 3: I was racing cars as well.

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Speaker 5: I was pursuing motorsports and entertainment at the same time,

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Speaker 5: and living in Arizona working at the bonder On Schools

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Speaker 5: and instructor working at Southwest Airlines, trying to make all

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Speaker 1: So so you're telling us you're extremely risk averse at

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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't like to take chances at all,

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Speaker 1: do you? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no.

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Speaker 5: It's two really stupid career choices to pursue, but one

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Speaker 5: of them worked out, so no, I uh, I ended

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Speaker 5: up moving to La. Fast forward a bit in the

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Speaker 5: story and Kenny kind of created this little opportunity on

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Speaker 5: then and he said, look, I'm gonna I'm gonna bring

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Speaker 3: I said, cool.

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Speaker 5: It was my very first time stepping on the Warner

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Speaker 3: It was really cool, And yeah.

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Speaker 5: I was technically I think I had one line cumulatively

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Speaker 3: But it got me. They tapped heart lead me, so

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Speaker 5: In the union and it just got me around, you know,

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Speaker 5: the whole the whole being on set thing, which was

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Speaker 5: to Kenny and and it all started it. And you

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Speaker 5: know they're in Stars Hollow, which is which is pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: That is a nice story. That is a nice man

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Speaker 1: doing a nice thing for a Yeah, for a for

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Speaker 1: a young actor. I love hearing those stories. Kenny is

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Speaker 1: a favorite of ours on this show.

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Speaker 3: He's a pretty amazing human.

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Speaker 1: We love his episodes. They are they really sparkle, you know,

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Speaker 1: they really stand out. You can always tell it's a

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Speaker 1: Kenny Ortega directed episode. There's something always very special and

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Speaker 1: everything jumps out at you when it's supposed to. So

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Speaker 1: what do you remember about your first day on set?

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Speaker 1: Who did you meet, who'd you interact with.

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Speaker 5: I remember vividly walking onto set and seeing the water tow.

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Speaker 5: That was, you know, growing up. I think all of

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Speaker 3: Movie set, so to speak.

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Speaker 5: Because again, as a kid from Texas, you know, theater

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Speaker 3: It was really cool.

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Speaker 5: And then yeah, I just, you know, with Kenny kind

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Speaker 5: I was kind of sitting in a chair behind him

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Speaker 5: it was a really cool moment. And I can't remember.

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Speaker 3: If it was if it was who all was there

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Speaker 5: I definitely worked alongside you because I had some I

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Speaker 5: I remember saying, yeah.

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Speaker 3: We got to Scott Patterson flying in blah blah blah.

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Speaker 5: And literally as naive as I was like is he

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Speaker 1: As I would come in a helicopter frequently.

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Speaker 3: I was like, this dude is a baller. This is awesome.

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Speaker 1: And they just sort of tell me to jump out,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember that, and you know, just kind of

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Speaker 3: I didn't want to, you know, interfere with.

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Speaker 5: The process obviously, but I just I really watched you

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Speaker 5: like getting you know, you get to know your crew

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Speaker 5: you spend so much time with them. And I remember

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Speaker 5: watching that and watching you guys interact and watching this

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Speaker 5: this dance that happens in between setups and then you know,

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Speaker 5: the stuff that you guys bring to life, you know.

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Speaker 5: George Anthony Bell was another you know, friend of mine.

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Speaker 5: I think he was a script supervisor at the time,

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Speaker 5: really really sweet guy that I got introduced to through

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Speaker 5: through Kenny, and I would sit there and watch what

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Speaker 5: he did and you know, just kind of observe everything,

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Speaker 5: and it was man, it's it's the best, like, you know,

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Speaker 5: form of boot camp that that you could ever be

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Speaker 3: Just to get the opportunity to watch something not just a.

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Speaker 5: TV show, but at the time like one of the

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Speaker 3: Uh So, I don't take that lightly. It was a

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Speaker 1: So what was was there a difficult part to it?

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Speaker 1: There was what was the hardest part about being an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's amazing. Yeah, I thought you stole the scene.

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Speaker 5: Most people don't get in for a while, unless you

445
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,720
Speaker 5: like Scott's point, unless you're doing a you know, a

446
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,400
Speaker 5: play and somebody comes and sees it, or you've done

447
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,280
Speaker 5: a student film where you did your own short film

448
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 5: and put it out there and whatnot. And so for me,

449
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 5: I kind of, I don't want to say had it,

450
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 5: I had it. I was lucky, per se, but there

451
00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,720
Speaker 5: is a little element of that, and it was I

452
00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,880
Speaker 5: had a little bit of an easier time than most,

453
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 5: at least getting my foot in the door. And then

454
00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 5: I think that transition for me again, since I didn't

455
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,119
Speaker 5: do very much of the background stuff, I made the

456
00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:51,560
Speaker 5: most of what I had with these few episodes on

457
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,359
Speaker 5: Gilmore Girls and just observed. And that way when I

458
00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 5: did go into a room and you know, audition I

459
00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 5: already kind of knew how a certain scene play out,

460
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,440
Speaker 5: and that would help me, you know, create whatever it was.

461
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,240
Speaker 5: It wasn't because the auditioning for theater is way different

462
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 5: than than television, and that's all I had really done

463
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:09,640
Speaker 5: to this point.

464
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Speaker 3: So I had that in the back of my mind.

465
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Speaker 5: And then when I did get my first few gigs

466
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 5: here and there, where you get a you know, you're

467
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,320
Speaker 5: under fives, and then you start to get a day

468
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 5: player stuff, and you know, I felt I.

469
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,920
Speaker 3: Felt more confident at least going there.

470
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 5: Not not cocky by any means, but I didn't feel

471
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Speaker 5: like an outsider stepping on to like in front of

472
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 5: the camera and exactly so you know, I didn't. I

473
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 5: wasn't wondering, Okay, where do I need to stand? Or

474
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Speaker 5: why are these guys lighting over here? What are the

475
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,120
Speaker 5: what are the grips doing there?

476
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Speaker 3: What? You know?

477
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 5: I knew how that that whole dance worked, and so

478
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 5: for me, I just I went and I did my

479
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 5: job and I was where I needed to be. And

480
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,119
Speaker 5: I think the other part too, is just you know,

481
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 5: my work ethic has always been really strong, regardless of

482
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Speaker 5: what I'm doing, whether it be acting, you know, the

483
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 5: other jobs I've had throughout the years, and I think

484
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 5: when you do that, you know, this business there's you

485
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,639
Speaker 5: obviously have to have talent to succeed in this business,

486
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 5: but nobody wants to work with a you know, not

487
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 5: nice person, right, And I think and or somebody.

488
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: Who's lazy and makes everybody else's day harder.

489
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,440
Speaker 5: The last thing the crew wants when they're working, you know,

490
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: fourteen fifteen, eighteen hours sometimes is for some actor to

491
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,480
Speaker 5: come in and not be prepared or you know, not

492
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 5: not arrive when they're ready. They set everything up and

493
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,680
Speaker 5: they got to wait another five minutes for you to finish.

494
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 5: You know, whatever you're doing, nobody wants that. So as

495
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 5: long as you're not that person and you have some talent,

496
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 5: that's the magic, you know equation. I think there's still

497
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 5: some luck and other things that are needed, but I

498
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 5: think that really helps for career wise.

499
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Speaker 2: That's what Scott always says about Gilmore Girls, that everybody

500
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: from Lauren to the smallest background actor, from the executive

501
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: producer down to the whoever craft services, everybody gave it

502
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent.

503
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think that's you know, the show is

504
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 5: also one of the best written shows ever. I think

505
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 5: it's it's still you know, such a well well written,

506
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 5: well acted, well rounded show, which is why people are

507
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 5: revisiting again. But you know, for example, now with Superman

508
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,719
Speaker 5: and Lois, we have that, like I've I've never had

509
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 5: a really bad experience in Hollywood.

510
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 3: I've been pretty lucky to work on you know, work

511
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:24,040
Speaker 3: with good people, et cetera.

512
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 5: But we've now you know, we started this show in

513
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 5: the middle of the pandemic where we just finished filming

514
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,920
Speaker 5: season three, and it's you know, it could have gone

515
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 5: really bad, especially when everybody was in that bubble of

516
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 5: you know, the COVID bubble, trying to get things going

517
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 5: in the middle of the pandemic, and like Warner Brothers

518
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 5: didn't want us interacting with anybody outside of they didn't

519
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 5: even want us cast members early on to interact with

520
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,400
Speaker 5: each other outside of being on set.

521
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 3: And you know, we as humans, you need interact.

522
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 5: And so shortly after we started filming and we had

523
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 5: this rapport with each other, we we became a family.

524
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 5: And then as things warmed up a bit more, you know,

525
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 5: our crew are just phenomenal and like you don't always

526
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,160
Speaker 5: get that good of a scenario and so it's when

527
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 5: you do have it, I think, A it makes going

528
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 5: to work better and B it's part of making good television.

529
00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 5: You know, if regardless of how strong the writing is

530
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 5: or how strong a performance is, stuff comes through. Like

531
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 5: if the vibes on set are not good and people

532
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 5: are not happy and the directors and the producers are

533
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 5: the rating to crew members or actors, it's going to

534
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 5: show up and it's going to manifest itself in weird ways.

535
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: So that's what I love, the collaboration. That is what

536
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: we do.

537
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 1: Well, where are you? Where are you Europe? In Vancouver?

538
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: Uh, that's where we film right now. I'm out in Texas.

539
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 3: We have a little lake house out here.

540
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: But where you shoot where you shoot the lowest and

541
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Speaker 1: Vancouver and lowest, Yeah, you're Vancouver.

542
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Speaker 2: I have one last question before you guys go, and

543
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 2: then you guys can ask whatever. But is there We

544
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: always talk about the one that brung you. It's like,

545
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 2: what was your the part where you realized obviously it

546
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: wasn't Caring the King, but the one where you realize like, Okay,

547
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: I actually am going to be able to do this

548
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: as a career, Like was there after Gilmore Girls? Was

549
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: there under five or five more where you were like,

550
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: this is actually gonna happen for me?

551
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 5: I think For me, that's kind of a two part answer.

552
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: I think I always, I always. I'm a big risk taker,

553
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,200
Speaker 5: and I'm a big believer in putting in the work

554
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 5: and putting in the work myself. And I never really

555
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: doubted myself. And that's not a cocky statement by any means.

556
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm the most talented person in the world,

557
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 5: But I never doubted my abilities as an actor or

558
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 5: as a human being in terms of ease to work with,

559
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 5: et cetera. So for me, it was it was never

560
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 5: a matter of is this going to happen. It was

561
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 5: just a matter of, okay, you got to ride ride

562
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 5: this out, you know, literally the waves that come. And

563
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 5: for me, like I remember two thousand and eight, it

564
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 5: was a combination of eerily similar to what we're about

565
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 5: to go through.

566
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 3: Here.

567
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 5: You have the writers' strike, you know, the nomy crashed,

568
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 5: all sorts of stuff happened, and at that point I

569
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 5: had done a few under fives. This and that that had,

570
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 5: you know, kept me in the game. I was I

571
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: wasn't ready to throw in the towel because I still

572
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 5: knew that something was going to happen for me. Right

573
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 5: then we get to two thousand and eight, I'm about

574
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 5: thirty grand in debt and I have about five hundred

575
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 5: dollars to my name, and I ended up sleeping in

576
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 5: my Mini Cooper for like two weeks because I couldn't

577
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 5: afford rent. And my parents, you know, were like, hey,

578
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 5: you can come back home. You know that that option

579
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 5: is always here, come back to Texas. And I was like,

580
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 5: I'm not done. I'm just this isn't this isn't over

581
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 5: for me. And I think, call that stubbornness, call that drive,

582
00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it. That kept me in

583
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 5: the game. And then shortly after I came out of

584
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 5: that funk, I ended up doing a couple of commercials

585
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 5: which got me out of debt at least. And then

586
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 5: like the big break, so to speak, was General Hospital.

587
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 5: I'd never thought I would do a soap opera. Nothing

588
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 5: against it, it just wasn't creatively where I wanted to go.

589
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,880
Speaker 5: And then I had this opportunity through a relationship I'd

590
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 5: made with Mark Teshner over the years, casting director there.

591
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 5: He called me up one day and then he said

592
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 5: I got this role for you. I want you to

593
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 5: come in.

594
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: You know, you still opt auditioned for it, but I

595
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: am really pushing for you. I said, cool, go in.

596
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: I do that and next you know, I do one

597
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: hundred episodes or song over two and a half years.

598
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 3: And that was kind of the the launching pad, so

599
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 3: to speak.

600
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so yeah, it's it's it's been a it's

601
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 5: been a ride, but it's I wouldn't I wouldn't change

602
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 5: much of it.

603
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it takes.

604
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:28,920
Speaker 3: You know.

605
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: My son is a it's just got his purple belt

606
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:38,920
Speaker 1: and in tang sudo and and he you know, and

607
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: now now all of my analogies are karate related. So

608
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: it's like auditioning is like, you know, you're gonna get

609
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: beat up. It's like sparring. You're gonna get beat up,

610
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: and but you're gonna that's the only way to learn,

611
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 1: you know. And you're gonna walk in there as a

612
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 1: white belt or a yellow belt or even a purple belt,

613
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: and you're gonna face a red belt, going to face

614
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: a green belt, and they're going to beat you up

615
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: pretty bad. And you just got to hang in and

616
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: keep working, keep studying, and then one day you're gonna

617
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna start winning those sparring sessions one day, and

618
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 1: it might it might not happen for a while, but

619
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 1: you can't be discouraged, you know. And that's what auditioning

620
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 1: is like, because you have to do it for a

621
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: long time.

622
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: You know.

623
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 5: Some people, some people everything just falls into place earlier

624
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 5: than others. Everybody's timeline is different. But kind of back

625
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 5: to what am that's kind of it is for those

626
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 5: that they do watch the podcast and listen to it

627
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 5: that are, you know, at the background level or still

628
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 5: trying to figure out a way into the industry.

629
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 3: Like I get that question all the time, you know,

630
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: how can I? How can I do what you do?

631
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 5: And it all comes down to putting in the work

632
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 5: and determination and getting back up and you know, and

633
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 5: realizing the time it's it's if you don't end up

634
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: booking something, even if you think nailed the audition or

635
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 5: whatever has nothing to do with you or your performance.

636
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 5: There's so many other factors that go into this that

637
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 5: people don't realize. And in as long as you're doing

638
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,720
Speaker 5: your job, it will happen. It's just may take a

639
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 5: little bit longer than you hope it will. Yeah.

640
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: I think the takeaway is always it's not personal. If

641
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: you don't get the offer, it's not personal. It's just

642
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: there's a million reasons why people don't get jobs, and

643
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: often times it has nothing to do with how great

644
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 1: their audition was. Because you could give the best audition

645
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: that anyone has ever seen and you're still slightly not

646
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: right for the part for some reason and you don't

647
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: know what that is, and you'll never know what that is.

648
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: But you've made a fan with the casting people, you've

649
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: made a fan with the director. You've you know, and

650
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: they'll they remember those great auditions and they'll bring you

651
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: back in for other things. So you've got to keep

652
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: your head up.

653
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 3: That's key.

654
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I remember, you know, there's there's several

655
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: roles that I auditioned for that I thought I was

656
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 5: picked for and I thought I nailed and didn't didn't

657
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 5: get the job, but the casting directors remembered. And I

658
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 5: think if you're getting called back for certain roles and

659
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 5: then you're getting called in for other ones, you're.

660
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 3: Already doing your job.

661
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 5: And then on the flip side, there's certain things that

662
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Speaker 5: I'd get the script and I get the you know,

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Speaker 5: the breakdown and be like this is this is not

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Speaker 5: me at all, but cool, I'm still gonna do what

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Speaker 5: I do. And you know, one of those roles was

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Speaker 5: was Carlito on Graceland, which is one of my favorite

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Speaker 5: characters I've I've played the guys like this, bisexual, like

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Speaker 5: psychotic drug lorder, right, and and it was just you

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Speaker 5: look at the breakdown how they initially described him, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well, I can I can play this. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's I don't know what this is

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Speaker 5: gonna how this is gonna go, but I'm gonna do

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Speaker 5: what I do. And I think that's the other part

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Speaker 5: is never trying to figure out what you think somebody

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Speaker 5: else wants. Like, as an actor, you bring to the

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Speaker 5: table what whatever it is inside you and your interpretation

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Speaker 5: of these these words on a page and this breakdown

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Speaker 5: and you do what you do.

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Speaker 1: And in that case, that's the uniqueiness that you can offer.

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Speaker 3: It is you.

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Speaker 5: And in that particular case, that was one where I

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Speaker 5: was like, well, I'm gonna do what I do and

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Speaker 5: then walk away because I don't think this is going

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Speaker 5: my way. There was no callback, there was nothing on

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Speaker 5: that one. It was immediately like you're our guy, and

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Speaker 5: I'm flying to Florida to go film. It was supposed

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Speaker 5: to be I think three episodes and I ended up

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Speaker 5: doing two seasons. So it's you know, you never know.

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Speaker 5: You just you have to to That's that's why you

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Speaker 5: have to be really passionate about anything you do. I

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Speaker 5: tell people that all the time. You don't go into

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Speaker 5: this business to become famous or to make a lot

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Speaker 5: of money. It's like you wouldn't go into anything without

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Speaker 5: some sort of passion. And so it doesn't matter if

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Speaker 5: you want to own a hot dog cart in Times Square,

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Speaker 5: you want to you know, become a billionaire CEO, you

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Speaker 5: put the same amount of work into it and the

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Speaker 5: same amount of passion.

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Speaker 3: And that's you know, that's that's what gets you where

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Speaker 3: you want to go.

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Speaker 1: And that's the work. It's about the work. It's got

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Speaker 1: to be about the work, the passion for the work

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Speaker 1: and making it great hundred percent, and that's all. That's what.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't have said it better. I mean, I've said

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Speaker 1: this many times. If you're in the business for fame

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Speaker 1: or money, get out of the business because you're not

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Speaker 1: gonna You're not going to succeed. You're in it for

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Speaker 1: the wrong reasons right away.

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Speaker 3: Wrong reasons.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know it's got to be it's got

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Speaker 1: to be a positive. It's got to be a respect

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Speaker 1: for the work and pursuing that knowledge and being a

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Speaker 1: great craftsman. Well this has been uh, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I I did the whole two weeks and a sleeping

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Speaker 1: in a car routine myself, So I know I've been there, buddy.

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Speaker 1: You know's and you gotta it's that self belief. It's like,

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Speaker 1: nothing's gonna stop me. Just keep going. It's going to

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Speaker 1: take time. It's for me. It was always a marathon,

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Speaker 1: it was never a sprint. Uh. There were highs and lows.

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Speaker 1: I would get really frustrated sometimes because I'd been auditioning

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Speaker 1: and killing auditions for a year, two years in a row,

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Speaker 1: and I wasn't getting anything. And you just got to

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Speaker 1: keep your the grindstent. You just kind of keep going

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Speaker 1: at it. And you're a testament to that. So thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming on, Sharon. You're very very fascinating, an inspiring story.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and good luck with everything. I hope the

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Speaker 1: writer's strike doesn't affect you guys. Will it affect you guys,

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Speaker 1: will you shut down if there's a writer strike.

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Speaker 3: We it depends on how long it goes. Our room,

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Speaker 3: you know, our room will come back or.

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Speaker 5: Scheduled to come back in July typically, so it depends

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Speaker 5: on how long it goes. And it also, you know,

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Speaker 5: as you know, with this industry where the show's doing

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Speaker 5: really well. But we haven't officially been picked up yet anyway,

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Speaker 5: so who knows what all is going to happen.

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Speaker 1: So listen, I'm going to invite you to the next segment.

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Speaker 1: It's called rapid Fire. Would you like to participate? You

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Speaker 1: really don't have a choice, just say yes, sure, let's

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Speaker 1: do it.

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Speaker 3: You ready, let's go.

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Speaker 1: How many cups of coffee do you have in a day?

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Speaker 3: I do a quad shot of espresso every morning.

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Speaker 1: Nice quad shot.

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Speaker 3: I like that. Uh, a little bit of oat milk?

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Speaker 1: Are you team Logan, Team Jess or Team Dean?

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Speaker 3: Ooh Logan?

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Speaker 1: Oh there you go? Who is your favorite Gilmore girl's character?

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Speaker 3: If I if I don't say Luke, am I gonna

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Speaker 3: get in trouble here? No?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, you need to be honest?

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Speaker 3: Uh you No?

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Speaker 5: I I really, I mean Rory was just always such

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Speaker 5: a fascinating young woman and watching her journey it was incredible, So.

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Speaker 3: It has to be.

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Speaker 1: Is she a terrific actress? Just so so natural?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's she's from Texas to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Jared, and uh and and and Alexis Yeah born Brett.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: What would you order it? Lukes dinner even though you

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Speaker 1: don't think Luke's your favorite character? Unbelievable.

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Speaker 5: Well, it'd probably be something like a croissant and a

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Speaker 5: quad shot of espresso with a little bit oat milk.

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Speaker 3: Was oat milk even a thing back then? I don't

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Speaker 3: think it was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he carried it.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And if you said quad shot to him, man, he'd

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Speaker 1: probably toss you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd probably have to be a drip coffee. That's

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Speaker 3: about it.

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Speaker 1: Go on, would you rather go on a road trip

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Speaker 1: with Taylor or Michelle?

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Speaker 3: It's a tough one, Michelle. Why.

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Speaker 5: There's no real reason. I just that was the first

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Speaker 5: thing that came to mind. Either one would be interesting,

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Speaker 5: that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: Tell you you need a baseball bet to show to

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Speaker 1: either of them up about ten hours into the trip anyway,

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Speaker 1: So it's all the same. Uh, finish the lyric and

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Speaker 1: where you lead I will follow dot dot dot.

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Speaker 3: Blinking, I will follow.

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Speaker 1: I'm on that anywhere.

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Speaker 3: That you you go. Tell me to Why am I

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Speaker 3: blinking on this?

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Speaker 1: You just you don't know, that's all right, Jackson's Vegetables

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Speaker 1: or Suki's Baked Goods.

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00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 3: Dookie's Baked Goods.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather listen to Drella's Harp or The Troubadours

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Speaker 1: cover Songs, Discover Songs, Chilton Prep or Stars Hollow High,

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Speaker 1: Stars Hollow High.

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Speaker 3: Eric.

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Speaker 1: It has been an insanely great pleasure. Good luck, continued

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00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: success on your journey. Thank you, and hope to have

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00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: you back on telling us more tales of you slaying

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00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: Hollywood dragons left and right.

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00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: So anytime, man, thank you for having.

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Speaker 1: Me all the best you enjoy your downtime in beautiful Texas,

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Speaker 1: will and we'll hopefully talk soon.

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Speaker 3: Okay, take care, all right, take care all right. Hi guys, Hey.

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