1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to Wellness on Mass. I'm doctor mpul 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: Sapphire and I'm sitting down this morning doing this podcast 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 1: heading my morning cup of coffee because it is like 4 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: a wintry snowy mix outside, so it's like a delayed 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: opening for the kids' school, so it's a little bit 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: of a late start today. So let's have our coffee together, 7 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: shall we. Big news is now December second, and I 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: have decided to do a personal challenge for December. Well 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: I'm taking a sip big personal challenge for December. You know, 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: we all wait until January to come up with like 11 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: our New Year's resolutions. What are we going to do? 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: How are we going to get in shape? How are 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: we going to be a better version of ourselves in 14 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: the new year. I decided I want to do it 15 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: in December this year. So here's what I'm doing. So 16 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: for December, starting yesterday, I'm increasing the amount of workouts 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: I do. So my goal is to do twenty workouts 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: in December. Now, I know for people who work out 19 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: five six times a week, that doesn't sound like a 20 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: lot twenty workouts in a month, But when you have 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: holiday parties, you have Christmas and Hanukkah and all this 22 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 1: stuff at the kids' school. December can be very busy 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 1: and one of the first things to go are the workout. 24 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,320 Speaker 1: So by having a little checklist making sure that I'm 25 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: getting twenty for the month, that's how I'm focusing on 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: my physical health. I'm also taking a bit of a 27 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: step back from social media. Ah, I know, how am 28 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I going to do this? I'm not sure my voice 29 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: is going to come and go throughout this, but you 30 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: know it'll still be great. So I have decided I 31 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: want to get rid of social media from my phone 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 1: because it's so easy to just when you have a 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 1: couple minutes during the day, you just go on your 34 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: phone and you start scrolling, scrolling, scrolling. Well, do you 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: know that actually affects your brain chemistry. They do studies 36 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: looking at functional emerror and it shows activity in your 37 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 1: brain changes as you engage in social media. It also 38 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: elicits dopamine response, which is why if you do a 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: post and you get likes and comments and it's going 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: it's doing really well, that actually gives your brain reward 41 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and that's why you feel good about it. But the 42 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: alternative is also true. If you do a post and 43 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, people aren't seeing it, aren't liking it. 44 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:13,519 Speaker 1: It causes negative emotions and feelings, which is why social 45 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: media use is linked to anxiety and depression and all 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: of these other things. So for my mental health heading 47 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: into the holiday season, I want to cut back. Now. 48 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: It's a little bit tricky to cut back on social 49 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: media when you have like a media presence. You know, 50 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: I go on TV, I'm doing this podcast, I have 51 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: a wellness company. All of these things I use social 52 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: media for so for business, but that doesn't mean that 53 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: it is still good for my mental health. So it's 54 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: not going to be black and white. I'm not completely 55 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: off of social media. In fact, you may be listening 56 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: to this podcast because I posted on social media, but 57 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: you're not going to see me as active on social 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: media as maybe I usually am. And that's just me 59 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: making a conscious effort to focus on more meaningful things 60 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: like real life personal in reactions, or you know, doing 61 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: more with my work because I actually find enjoyment in 62 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: my work, or focusing on other hobbies. I'm actually in 63 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: the process of writing a book right now. If I 64 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: have five minutes instead of doom scrolling on social media, 65 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: maybe I should be focusing on that book and so 66 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: some other things like that. So I'm heading into the 67 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: new year already focusing on my physical health, on my 68 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: mental health. So by the time New Year's resolution conversations 69 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: comes around, I don't have to be like, ah, crap, 70 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: what diet am I going to do this year? Nope, 71 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,399 Speaker 1: because I'm already going to be feeling good mentally and physically. 72 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: So maybe for my twenty twenty six New Year's resolutions, 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: I can focus on bettering someone else, like what can 74 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: I do for other people? Because I've already spent December 75 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: focusing on myself, so that's my goal. I encourage everyone 76 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: to do it with me. Doesn't mean you have to 77 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: do the same things I'm doing, but maybe let's try 78 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: in December to get us to a good place so 79 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: that when we head into the holidays and we head 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: into our New Year's resolutions, we already are feeling pretty 81 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: good and so then we can focus on how can 82 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: we help others around us? So I know that sounded 83 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: like a lot of this topic, but that's not what 84 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I want to get into today. On weilness unmass, if 85 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: you've been on social media, because that's where a lot 86 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: of this happens. You will see something pretty big happened 87 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: last Friday afternoon. Now, a lot of things get buried 88 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: in the news cycle when they occur on Friday afternoon, 89 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: but this one was pretty interesting and it's hit a 90 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: nerve with a lot of people, and to be honest, 91 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: it probably should. So there was a leaked FDA internal memo. Now, 92 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: whether or not it was actually leaked, I don't know. 93 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: I think it sounds like a pretty intentional leak. If 94 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: you send out a memo on a Friday afternoon, Friday 95 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving afternoon, you send it out to like over 96 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: one thousand people in an industry, do you really think 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: that that's going to stay internal Probably not. And if 98 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 1: you actually read this internal memo, it doesn't necessarily read 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: a something that was meant to stay internalized. So what 100 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: was this memo? Well, it was a memo from the 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: head of one of the interdepartmental agencies within the FDA 102 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: claiming that at least ten children deaths were likely linked 103 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:16,159 Speaker 1: to the COVID vaccine through probably vaccine associated myocarditis. Although 104 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: they didn't necessarily come down by it, but what they 105 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: said was they looked at the ver's data, which VERS 106 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: is a public forum. It's an online thing that anyone 107 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: can go to. You can be a patient, you can 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 1: be a parent, you can be a doctor, you could 109 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: be a drug company. If you have a side effect 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: from a medication, a vaccine, you're able to input it 111 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: if you feel that the side effect is from that. 112 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: Now there's a huge caveat when you're looking at the 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: VERS data. So I can go on if I take 114 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: a medication and something happens to me in the next 115 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: couple of weeks or even a couple of months, and 116 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what it was? It was probably 117 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: that vaccine, I can go input that. Now other people 118 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: can read what I put down, and so they may 119 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: automatically think, oh my gosh, this person had this and 120 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: she said it was from this. But that's not necessarily true, right, 121 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: So just because I think it is doesn't mean it was. 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: Maybe I had an underlying viral infection that caused something. 123 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: The reality is this is just people inputting data, but 124 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 1: this is not verified data yet. So a couple of 125 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: months ago, people at the FDA said that they are 126 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: putting together a working group that they were actually going 127 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: to go through the ver's data. They are going to 128 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: actually look at those who said that they had side 129 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: effects from the COVID vaccine, and they wanted to look 130 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:32,559 Speaker 1: at that and say were they really from the vaccine. Now, 131 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: the numbers that were in veirs, there were ninety six 132 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: supposed deaths from the COVID vaccine. That's how many were reported. 133 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: This internal memo says that they've gone through all of them, 134 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: and they say at least ten they believe are likely 135 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: linked to the COVID vaccine. So that's pretty big news. 136 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: And this memo, again, it comes from inside the FDA 137 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which is essentially the 138 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 1: vaccine regulating arm of the agency. And so ten of 139 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: those deaths in children age seven to sixteen were considered 140 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 1: quote unquote likely or possibly related to mildcarditis after vaccination. Now, 141 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: on its face, that's obviously very serious, but I want 142 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: to take a pause before we jump to conclusions. This 143 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: memo itself is not pure reviewed. And while I think 144 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: it is incredibly important and excellent that they decided to 145 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: go through all of this bear's data, because there are 146 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot of people out there who have been criticizing 147 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: COVID vaccines who have been saying that they have been 148 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: under reporting the safety data. And by the way, I'm 149 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: one of those people. I also think that they were 150 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: underreporting safety data when it came to the COVID vaccine. 151 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: So I was very happy to see that they were 152 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: doing a deep dive into the bear's data. But just 153 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: because they're now coming out saying, well, we looked at 154 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: it and we think at least ten of these deaths 155 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: are related, they did not, in this quote unquote leaked 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: to memo, they did not put forth any evidence as 157 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: to or any criterion as to why they believe those 158 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: ten deaths were linked to the vaccine. So what does 159 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: that do. Immediately, it's one opinion to another opinion. The 160 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: people who put the information into theirs, that's their opinion 161 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: that the death was related to the vaccine. Now we 162 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: have this internal memo where the FDA is saying, well, 163 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: we believe at least ten of these deaths are related. 164 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: That's another opinion. Because they didn't produce any data to 165 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: back up that opinion. So right now we have a statement, 166 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: but without the data needed to verify it, especially if 167 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: we want people to take it seriously. We already know 168 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: Trump Arrangement syndrome is a real entity in the sense 169 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: that anything that comes out of the current HHS, FDA 170 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: White House, anything that's associated with President Trump, Secretary Kennedy, 171 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 1: people are going to automatically reject just because of the 172 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: underlying bias that they whatever they do has to be wrong, 173 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,320 Speaker 1: even if they're right. So if they're going to make 174 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: a statement like the vaccine, they're acknowledging that the vaccine 175 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: likely killed at least ten children, that's a heavy statement 176 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: to make without putting forth data, because immediately they're going 177 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: to be scrutinized by every academic, every media outlet. And 178 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: that's exactly what happened over the weekend. So this leaked 179 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: memo happened Friday afternoon. You had FDA Director Marty McCarey 180 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: was up right and early on Fox and Friends Saturday morning, 181 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: So that's again, memo came out Friday afternoon, media hit 182 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: Saturday morning, and it seemed very I mean, mcay does 183 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: a great job on TV, but he definitely had his 184 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: stocking points and so it did seem like some of 185 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: this was a little bit intentional, and he essentially said 186 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: something that he's been saying for the last year that 187 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: this new FDA is not going to be rubber stamping 188 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: vaccines just because it was approved in the past, just 189 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 1: because of the way things were done in the past, 190 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: They are not going to continue to to do this, 191 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: and they want rigorous safety data. I don't think anyone 192 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: can argue with that, although they're going to try. But 193 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,839 Speaker 1: the problem that I have with the way that this 194 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: leaked memo rolled out was, again, it was a memo. 195 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: It's in the guise of it being now a leaked memo, 196 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: and there was no data to back it up. They 197 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: as far as we know, they're not. They haven't printed 198 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: it in a peer reviewed journal to show why they 199 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: believe that these deaths were linked, and so it's just 200 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: kind of out there, and when it's out there like that, 201 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: it kind of gets caught up in the weeds of 202 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorists, even if they're right by the way. Again, 203 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: I personally believe that the Biden administration, the prior CDC, 204 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: the pharmaceutical companies were under representing safety signals when it 205 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: came to these COVID vackseats. Even Maderna in one of 206 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: their in their booster trial, a child died in that 207 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: booster trial. It took a while for them to actually 208 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: acknowledge it because they kept manipulating the data in such 209 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: that they didn't have to report that child's death. And 210 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: this is why pharmaceutical companies have a bad rap with 211 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: the American people, because they do such as this, but 212 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: goes both ways. You can't make a statement without having 213 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: data because if you just manipulate words to promulgate fear 214 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 1: and incite anger and other emotions without having the data, 215 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, you're no better off. And that's where we're still. 216 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,719 Speaker 1: That's where we're at right now. We have this leak 217 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: memo that was full of what at this point opinion 218 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: without data backing it up. And I think, you know, 219 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: it's just as harmful as the pharmaceutical companies who are 220 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: hiding some of the data. So, you know, going back 221 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: to when these vaccines rolled out, I just want to 222 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: tell you my own personal opinion, I mean, Operation Warp 223 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: Speed was probably one of the most incredible things that 224 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: I had ever seen, the fact that President Trump was 225 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: able to harness his business mindset to really work with researchers, academics, 226 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: and pharmaceutical companies to get a vaccine available. You know, 227 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: within a year. That's a huge deal, especially when you 228 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: look at how long it cakes for drugs to be research, manufactured, 229 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: and brought to market. It's like anywhere from seven to 230 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: ten years on average. And no, that's not because we 231 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: do such rigorous safety data. It's more because we have 232 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: a lot of red tape and bureaucratic bloat that prolongs that. 233 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: So President Trump was able to cut through a lot 234 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: of that. So when it rolled out and all of 235 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: the initial data that showed that, guess it was able 236 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: to incite an immune response, which is the ultimate goal 237 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: of vaccines. So in theory, that should decrease severity and 238 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: hopefully should stop transmission of the virus or at least 239 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 1: decrease it. Obviously, I don't need to rehash what happened. 240 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of people got the vaccines, whether you're 241 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: mandated to or not, and we did see dramatic decrease 242 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: in hospitalizations and deaths. The current FDA director, doctor McCarey, 243 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: just this Saturday reconfirmed that when you look at the data, 244 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: especially in the early days of COVID, the vaccines were 245 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: directly linked to remarkable decrease in severity of illness, especially 246 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 1: in older populations and vulnerable populations, that's undisputed. Now, fast 247 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: forward to when they started expanding the vaccines for kids, teenagers, 248 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: young adults, kids zero through I don't know thirty. That's 249 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: when I started to say pump the brakes a little 250 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: bit because I had three kids ranging from elementary school 251 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: to college, and I had already seen them all have 252 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: COVID at that point, probably a couple times, to be honest, 253 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 1: and the overwhelming data told us that they were the 254 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: lowest risk for severe illness. One thing that was concerned 255 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: and kids was the misc that multi inflammatory syndrome and children, 256 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 1: which was essentially an autoimmune and an inflammatory response that 257 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: the body did in reaction to the virus, and that 258 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: was pretty bad in kids. Now, those inflammatory type responses 259 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: can happen with a lot of viruses if it wasn't 260 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: specific to COVID, but we did see it with COVID 261 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: and kids. So my concern was, if we're concerned that 262 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: kids have this high inflammatory response to this virus, are 263 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: they going to have that same inflammatory respons to the vaccine. 264 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 1: And don't forget the vaccine we give tends to be 265 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: a higher anagen load to so is it going to 266 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: actually incite a higher likelihood of having this inflammatory response. 267 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: This was my biggest concern, and in fact, I wrote 268 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: about it many times on Fox Digital. I reached out 269 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: to my friend and colleague, doctor Marty McCarey, who is 270 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: now the FDA administrator. I mean, he's doing great things, 271 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: but he was one of the people I talked to 272 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: about my concerns, and funny enough, you know, he put 273 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: me in touch with a lot of people. So I've 274 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: met Memorial slan Kattererankee. He was at Johns Hopkins. Obviously 275 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: these are big name institutions. He put me in touch 276 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: with some people that he knew regarding pediatrics, so I 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: could ask my questions because I had huge concerns about 278 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: the vaccine causing an inflammatory reaction in kids. They all 279 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: kind of talked the line of you know, pediatrics and 280 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: fell in line with the American Academy Pediatrics of oh no, no, no, 281 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: it's much safer to have a inflammatory response to the 282 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: vaccine than the virus. The virus is predictable, blah blah blah. Listen, 283 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,320 Speaker 1: I get it, that makes sense. But I was seeing 284 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: how little this virus was affecting school age and adolescent kids, 285 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: and I had a huge concern about introducing this vaccine 286 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: to them when I saw what little inflammatory response they 287 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: actually had to the virus. And as we knew, as 288 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: time was going on, the virus was weakening, so they 289 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: were having a less and less inflammatory response. So were 290 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: we really going to now give them this vaccine to 291 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: try and incite inflammation. It seemed concerning to me. McKay 292 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: and I actually wrote a piece in the Wall Street 293 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: Journal looking at that Pfizer data on kids, and the 294 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: star of the paper was very different than what it 295 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: actually turned out to be, and I'll be honest, I 296 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: was very disappointed with the end result of that paper. 297 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: My overarching theme was whether you let your child. We're 298 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: talking about healthy kids. Obviously at this point, I'm not 299 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: talking about the children with chronic illness that may put 300 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: them at higher risk. I'm talking about the the over 301 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: all healthy child. You know, when I was started writing 302 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: this Wall Street Journal piece, I wanted to essentially put 303 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: out there the risk of COVID to your child is 304 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: very low. When it comes to the vaccine, it's probably 305 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: also low risk to give your child the vaccine. But 306 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: the question is it actually necessary? Does the vaccine prove 307 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: a benefit over that low risk, and for me, it 308 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: hadn't yet. There hadn't been data to show that that 309 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: vaccine caused a benefit over the risk. After many many 310 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: iterations of that paper McCarey, myself, the editor Wall Street Journal, 311 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: it ended up just coming back saying, whether your kid 312 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: gets COVID or has the vaccine, it's low risk gets 313 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: up to you. So it kind of just stayed on 314 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: this line, this middle ground. I wanted to take a 315 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: little bit stronger of a stan saying I wasn't convinced 316 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: of the benefits of the vaccine, but you know, sometimes 317 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 1: you have to give a take, and I wasn't the 318 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: sole author, so I couldn't necessarily do that. So I've 319 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: always had concerns about the vaccine and kids hearing the 320 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: right now saying that they're looking at it again and 321 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: going back a little bit more. It's clear that milecarditis 322 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: in specifically adolescent boys, is a very real risk factor. 323 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: It absolutely is. It was well documented in Israel before 324 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 1: we even saw the safety signals here in the United States, 325 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: and here in our own data, it shows that there's 326 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: a much higher risk of milecarditis in adolescent boys than 327 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: any other age group or demographic. So for me, the 328 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: question is, should there be a black box warning about 329 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: this vaccine and it's specifically in that age in demographics. Probably, 330 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: I have a feeling one's going to come, especially after 331 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,399 Speaker 1: some of the reviews right now. I think that's a 332 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: good idea. You're listening to Wellness and Mass We'll be 333 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: right back with more. I also like the fact that 334 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: the FDA, the CDC, the ASIP, they have said COVID 335 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: vaccines and the annual boosters probably are not necessary for everyone. 336 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: There's no data to actually show that a healthy child, 337 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: especially a healthy young male teenager, benefits from getting an 338 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,959 Speaker 1: annual COVID booster. The COVID virus continues to mutate, it 339 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: continues to get Yes, it is more contagious, it's going 340 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: around and round and round, but it's also a much 341 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: more mild virus where the risks with the vaccines are real, 342 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: especially in healthy young kids. So they have not proven 343 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: a large benefit in my opinion, and it seems like 344 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: the current FDA is also coming to that same conclusions. 345 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: I really agree with a lot that the FDA is 346 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: doing when it comes to the COVID vaccines. They're still 347 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: saying they're available. They're specifically available to those who where 348 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: there is an absolute documented benefit, older adults, people who 349 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: have chronic illness putting them at an increased risk of 350 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: severe disease, and anyone else who wants it there is 351 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: still availability for it. So I think these are all 352 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: a good thing. What I don't like is what just 353 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: happened on Friday with this leaked memo. Ten children died. 354 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: It's like, whoa what, Hold on a second, this is 355 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: huge news. If the FDA is saying ten children died 356 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,120 Speaker 1: from the COVID and the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies 357 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: have not current have not previously said this or admitted this, 358 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 1: that's a big deal and it shouldn't have been thrown 359 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: at the American public the day after Thanksgiving in a 360 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 1: quote unquote leaked memo. It's not the right way to 361 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: do it. You know, Delivery matters. I think I've said 362 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: that at NASAM with this administration right now. I support 363 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: a lot of what's going on there, but delivery matters 364 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: if you actually want people to support it, and if 365 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 1: you actually want it to last beyond this administration, because 366 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: that's the ultimate goal, right It's not just what can 367 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: we jam back in four years while President Trump is 368 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 1: in the White House, just for it all to be 369 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 1: upended and undone when someone else comes into the White House. 370 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: That can't happen. People deserve so much better, Public health 371 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: deserves so much better. We have such a waste to 372 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 1: go from what happened during COVID, And while we're doing 373 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: a lot of good things right now, how we are 374 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: communicating it, how we're delivering it matters. And so that's 375 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: the thing that I have to say is we have 376 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: to ignore some of these headlines people. Probably why I'm 377 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: getting off social media a little bit in December, because 378 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: it really does incite a lot of emotions that are 379 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 1: not good for us. At the end of the day, 380 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: it's great that the FDA is looking at bears. It's 381 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: great that they are considering more rigorous trials and looking 382 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: at the data when it comes to our annual vaccine recommendations, 383 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: whether it's the COVID vaccine, whether it's the flu vaccines. 384 00:20:27,320 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, the reason they're able to quote so many 385 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: people get the flu vaccine is because it's mandated amongst 386 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: a lot of schools and all hospitals. I mean you 387 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: have to get it in hospitals. What happened as soon 388 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: as you took away the COVID mandate from hospitals, healthcare 389 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: workers didn't get the COVID booster. The reason healthcare workers 390 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: still get the flu booster flu shot is because they 391 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: have to. What would happen if you took away that mandate. 392 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: I guarantee a lot of hospital workers would stop getting 393 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: it because there's already a huge question as to what 394 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: the efficacy is of the flu shot at reducing transmission. 395 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: Just like cod we know it reduces severe illness and hospitalization, 396 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: but the effects on whether it actually reduces significantly at 397 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: a population level transmission hasn't been proven. And these are 398 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: the questions that the FDA is bringing up, saying, should 399 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: the CDC be having these conversations, Should we make sure 400 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: that these vaccines are doing what we say that they do. 401 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 1: We do a lot of lab studies, we do a 402 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: lot of epidemiological studies looking at stuff, but we're not 403 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: actually proving it. We're just saying, well, these are estimates, 404 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: these are what we think happens. And because this is 405 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: what we think happens, therefore you have to do it. 406 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: And I think we're kind of moved past that. Unfortunately, 407 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 1: COVID has actually fortunately not unfortunately, but fortunately COVID has 408 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: woken a lot of people up saying just because you 409 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: say this is right doesn't necessarily mean it is. Now 410 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: that being said, we obviously can see the benefits of 411 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: certain vaccines. We had measles eradicated here in the United 412 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: States because we had such high level population vaccination rates 413 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: of measles. Now all of a sudden, we're at cheopardy 414 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: of losing the eradication state because we have so many 415 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: cases of measles now because of community spread and low 416 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: vaccination rates. So we know that there are some benefits 417 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 1: to vaccinations. We know that there's huge benefits to population 418 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,880 Speaker 1: level vaccination rates, but not all vaccines are created equally, 419 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: and they don't all have the same benefits, and so 420 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: it is important that we break it up a little bit. 421 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: This week, the ACIP, that's the kind of the vaccine 422 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: Recommendation Group the CDC. They're meeting Thursday and Friday, and 423 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:33,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a blockbuster week. I'll definitely talk to 424 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: you about it. On Friday's rundown, they're talking about the 425 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: whole vaccine schedule. President Trump has made some comments about 426 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: maybe breaking up the vaccine schedule instead of giving someone 427 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 1: an MMR like measles, momps and rebella, maybe breaking them 428 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: up so you just get measles one visit, maybe you 429 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: get a rebel the other visit. Personally, that sounds like 430 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare from a pediatrician and a parent's standpoint. 431 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 1: And I also don't know if the drug makers are 432 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: willing to go back to the drawing board and reformulate 433 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: all of these vaccines, so they're going to have to 434 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: talk about that, and I hope that they keep some 435 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: of these things in mind when they make these recommendations. 436 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: Just because you want something doesn't mean it's possible. Also, 437 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: All Day Friday is scheduled to talk about the hepatitis 438 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: B vaccine in newborns. They were supposed to vote on 439 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: that a couple of months ago, but it got scrapped, 440 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: so that's going to be a heated conversation. I will 441 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: definitely bring you everything on Friday's weekly rundown because you 442 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 1: know it's going to be interesting, and I'll be watching 443 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: it live because I won't be following it on social media, 444 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: even though I probably will tap into social media a 445 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: little bit just to see what people are saying. Like 446 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: I said, my December challenge is not black and white, 447 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: but I have to kind of stay active. I want 448 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,160 Speaker 1: to know what people are saying. So that's it for today. 449 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: I hope you have a wonderful week. I hope you 450 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: join me in our December challenge for physical and mental fitness. 451 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: I need to take my kids to school, I need 452 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 1: to do some work, and I have to get my 453 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 1: butt on the peloton because I have to get that 454 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 1: workout in today. Thank you so much for listening to 455 00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: Wellness on mass I'm not going to be full saffire. 456 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: Make sure you tune into iHeart Radio or wherever you 457 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and I'll see you next time.