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Speaker 1: It's Sunday, August tenth, twenty five. Welcome to Real America's

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Speaker 1: Voice News. This is Sunday The Road Forward. We'll jump

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Speaker 1: right into our discussion today. Our scripture reading comes from

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Speaker 1: Psalm chapter ninety, verse twelve. So teach us to number

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Speaker 1: our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.

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Speaker 1: As always, we want to be an encouragement to our

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Speaker 1: viewers and listeners to hold fast to the Gospel and

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Speaker 1: the unchanging Word of God. I'm Ryan helfenbein filling in

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Speaker 1: for doctor Tim Clinton. I'll be your host today.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Ralph Reid. He is a political activist.

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Speaker 1: He is the founder and chairman of the Faith and

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Speaker 1: Freedom Coalition. He's authored several best selling books, and his

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Speaker 1: columns have appeared in The New York Times, Wall Street Journal,

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Speaker 1: National Review, and many other places. Ralph, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: us on Sunday The Road Forward. It is great to see.

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Speaker 3: You you bet Ryan, good to be with you.

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Speaker 1: I am very concerned. I think many viewers probably are

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Speaker 1: today just to see the general direction of this nation.

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Speaker 1: When you think about the Boomer generation all the way

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Speaker 1: down to gen Z, and that is in the area

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Speaker 1: of support for Israel. Ralph I have grown up in

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Speaker 1: the evangelical chure my whole life. Never did I see

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Speaker 1: such a time in which not the mainstream culture but

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Speaker 1: the church itself question things that have been theologically established

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Speaker 1: for such a long time, things that you never had

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Speaker 1: to question. We believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. We

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Speaker 1: believe in the Gospel that Jesus saves sinners. We also

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Speaker 1: recognize that God has a special plan, a design for

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Speaker 1: Israel and the Grand scheme. It's promised all throughout scripture

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Speaker 1: from Genesis to Revelation. And for some reason, the gen

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Speaker 1: Z generation just polled. And I'm not talking about gen

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Speaker 1: Z among secular unchurched, I'm talking about those that grew

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Speaker 1: up in the evangelical world. The support for Palestine, even

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Speaker 1: Hamas is north of twenty percent. The support for Israel

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Speaker 1: has diminished greatly, it's below thirty percent. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: going on misinformation and propaganda that has been weaponized against

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Speaker 1: the gw A state. I wanted you to shed light

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Speaker 1: from your experience what you've even seen on the ground

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Speaker 1: there in Israel for our audience.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think there's two things going on. One is

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Speaker 3: long term and one is more episodic and short term.

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Speaker 3: And the short term reality is that on October eighth,

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Speaker 3: after the worst attack on the Jewish people since the Holocaust,

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Speaker 3: over twelve hundred murdered, many of them burned alive in

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Speaker 3: their homes, many of them. I have visited some of

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Speaker 3: the kibbutza's that were attacked. I have visited the music

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Speaker 3: festival grounds where the majority of those who were kidnapped

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Speaker 3: and killed were murdered and taken and it's a very

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Speaker 3: hard thing to be witnessed. Too many peopeople fled into

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Speaker 3: safe rooms. The terrorists couldn't get in, so they simply

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Speaker 3: doused those homes with fuel and lit them on fire

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Speaker 3: and burned them alive. I entered into rooms where there

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Speaker 3: were young couples with their children who were murdered in

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Speaker 3: on the walls when I visited, and the pock marks

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Speaker 3: the Karishnikov rifles that the terrorists carried were evident in

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Speaker 3: these homes and I think at that moment there was

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Speaker 3: moral clarity in the West that Israel and the Jewish

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Speaker 3: people were the victims, and that Hamas was the aggressor,

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Speaker 3: and that Iran, their trainer, financier, sponsor, was the ultimate

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Speaker 3: responsible party and was going to need to be dealt

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Speaker 3: with eventually. That was the situation. Yes, but we're now,

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Speaker 3: last leg. They now only hold it is estimated twenty

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Speaker 3: hostages who were still alive. Most of the rest have

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Speaker 3: wiped out, and sadly, Gaza has been rubbled. So what

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Speaker 3: they've done since their back is now up against the wall. Ryan,

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Speaker 3: And if Israel does what I believe sadly now they're

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Speaker 3: That is put Israel's back up against the wall, because

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Speaker 3: it is now tragically looking less likely that they'll be

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Speaker 3: able to get the hostages who are still alive out,

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Speaker 3: amasa's network. And that's not what Israel wanted, it's not

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Speaker 3: what the West wanted, but it is where we are.

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Speaker 3: You are, after all, dealing with a radical Islamic terrorist

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Speaker 3: organizations that wants to kill Jews, that wants to kill Christians,

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Speaker 3: we are. And in addition to that, as you and

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Speaker 3: it's a failed state. The UN refuses to bring food

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Speaker 3: supplies into Gaza to feed innocent civilians. Under IDF, Israeli

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Speaker 3: and there are various NGOs and non governmental organizations. There

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Speaker 3: a serious crisis. Whether it's a famine or not, you

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Speaker 3: that has now made Israel look like the aggressor, and

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Speaker 3: that's caused us to lose a lot of people in

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Speaker 3: the Middle and Ran I have to be honest with you,

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Speaker 3: I don't really I only know of one solution to

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Speaker 3: that conundrum, and that is to defeat Hamas, dismantle and

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Speaker 3: And anything short of that total victory, you're just going

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Speaker 3: to be dealing with this again in three, five or

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Speaker 3: ten years. Nobody wants that. Trump sure didn't want it.

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Speaker 3: He wanted a deal now real quickly, I'll try and

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Speaker 3: do this more efficiently. What's the long term problem? The

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Speaker 3: long term problem is in our universities, in our colleges,

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Speaker 3: in the media, and unfortunately Ryan outside of the most

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Speaker 3: in the Middle East, about the fact that you know,

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Speaker 3: Israel is basically the size of New Jersey and is

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Speaker 3: surrounded by enemies all around them, including Iran, the leading

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Speaker 3: been exposed to the fact that, first of all, God

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Speaker 3: They have been persecuted, hounded, murdered and exterminated for centuries,

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Speaker 3: allow them to return to that land and have a

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Speaker 3: They need that state. They must be able to defend themselves.

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Speaker 3: It is a moral and ethical imperative for the civilized world.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately, the Rising generation isn't really hearing now, and

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Speaker 3: correctly belonging to the Jews, and so what's the long

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Speaker 3: term answer to that. First of all, organizations like mine,

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Speaker 3: outlets like Real America's Voice has got to go out

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Speaker 3: there and tell the truth. Yes, churches have got to

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Speaker 3: do their job. Ministries have got to do their job.

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Speaker 3: But we need to have organization, and there are many

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Speaker 3: that being a good Christian meant defending Jews. Now, that

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Speaker 3: was not a hard case to make when you're growing

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Speaker 3: for the first time in ninety three or ninety four,

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Speaker 3: it changed my life. So we got to do more

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Speaker 3: be done, and the good news is that last November fifth,

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump won one of the most impressive victories, one

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Speaker 3: of the most amazing comebacks in American history. You know,

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Speaker 3: to jail their political opponent, That's what was going on.

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Speaker 3: And he won such an amazing victory. He's the best

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Speaker 3: friend that Israel has ever had in the Oval office.

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Speaker 3: And BB Netanyahoo is a Churchilean historic figure. And I

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Speaker 3: mean this literally, this is not hyperbole. I thank God

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Speaker 3: every single day that they're there. I was last in

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Speaker 3: So Bb is going to do his job. His government

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Speaker 1: Them very well. Stated Ralph. I don't think anybody could

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Speaker 1: have come on and laid that argument out better, both

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Speaker 1: in the short run and the long run. I do

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Speaker 1: think we have our work cut out for us, especially

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Speaker 1: when it comes to the Evangelical Church and messaging properly

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Speaker 1: theologically biblically to that next generation. I think the reason

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a propaganda issue is largely because polpits

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Speaker 1: do a bit of job of sharing the truth from

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Speaker 1: God's word. Ralph. We're out of time, but thank you

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Speaker 3: For coming on. I answered one question.

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Speaker 1: You did, but it was brilliantly stated, and I think

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Speaker 1: that is well worth the time, and I think for

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Speaker 1: be saying amen to that. Ralph. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for all you're doing at Faith and Freedom Coalition, and

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Speaker 1: certainly for being an outspoken defender of the Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: We certainly appreciate your words this morning.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Brian.

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Speaker 1: God bless you God, bless.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Travis Johnson. Travis is the lead

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Speaker 1: Travis Johnson, thank you for joining me. Great to see you.

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Speaker 5: Great to see you too, Ryan. It's always great to

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Speaker 1: So much, ay Man, brother, I was looking forward to

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Speaker 1: Yes, amen, And so wow. You know, I think oftentimes, Travis,

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Speaker 5: Absolutely. You know, I would say in twenty nineteen, you know,

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Speaker 5: you know, Ryan, I'm seeing it happen to my own church.

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Speaker 5: I think, so, you know, progressivism has failed our young

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Speaker 5: And no one's telling them to do that. They're hungry

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Speaker 1: You know. I love reading the epistles of Paul, and

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Speaker 1: We'll leave it there. Pastor Travis Johnson. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for me.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Kevin Freeman. He is the host

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Speaker 1: of the Economic War Room on Blaze TV and Pirate

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Speaker 1: Money Radio. He is also a New York Times best

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Speaker 1: selling author with his most recent book, Pirate Money, Discovering

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Speaker 1: the Founder's Hidden Plan for Economic Justice and Defeating the

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Speaker 1: Great Reset. He is also the founder of the Nsic

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Speaker 1: Institute and Senior Fellow with the Center for Security Policy. Kevin, welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining Sunday The Road Forward. Great to

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Speaker 1: see you.

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Speaker 6: Oh, good to see you. Ryan Well.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate so much the work you're doing over an

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Speaker 1: acadomic War Room. Certainly you're shedding light on many of

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Speaker 1: the issues when it comes to inflation, national debt, when

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Speaker 1: it even comes to the issues of liberty and security.

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Speaker 1: Really really important that we see the economic situation in

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Speaker 1: America and globally not just through the lens of personal

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Speaker 1: finance and kitchen table issues, but also from a national

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Speaker 1: and international security understanding. I just want to talk right

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Speaker 1: now Turkey when it comes to the Federal Reserve Bank.

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Speaker 1: The Trump administration right now is in search for a

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Speaker 1: new chair vacancy to fulfill that in the next say

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Speaker 1: week or so. What do you know about that? What

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Speaker 1: are you hearing.

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Speaker 6: Well, First, let me agree with the President. The FED

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Speaker 6: has been behind the curve on adjusting interest rates. They

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Speaker 6: seem to be politicized already. People are fearful that Trump

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Speaker 6: is going to politicize him. Actually, it seems to be

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Speaker 6: politicized already. They were slow to raise interest rates, they

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Speaker 6: are now slow to lower interest rates. President has made

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Speaker 6: it very plain that he's not going to fire Jerome Powell,

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Speaker 6: but he wishes that he could put someone else at

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Speaker 6: the HELM. And the candidates that he's suggesting are people

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Speaker 6: like Kevin Hassett, who is a good guy. He's been

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Speaker 6: a friend. He wrote a cover note for one of

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Speaker 6: my books. Kevin Walsh, which is another Kevin, and so

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Speaker 6: I like him for his name. Judy Shelton, who's another friend.

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Speaker 6: He nominated her for the FED last time he was president.

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Speaker 6: And Randy Coralz, who was the vice chair of the FED.

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Speaker 6: I would recommend both Judy or Randy or Kevin one

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Speaker 6: of the Kevins. Anyway, he wants to have the Federal

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Speaker 6: Reserve be more reflective and more timely in their policy,

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Speaker 6: and I believe he's right.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of things going on. You look at

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Speaker 1: the consumer price index. You look at inflation when it

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Speaker 1: comes to normal goods, it seems as though that's leveling

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Speaker 1: off a little bit, you know, in terms of inflation.

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Speaker 1: Do you see as we look at the national debt

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Speaker 1: north of thirty seven trillion dollars, by lowering the interest

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Speaker 1: rates just for Layman's terms, what does that do to

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Speaker 1: the economy and to the servicing of that debt.

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Speaker 6: Well, let's be clear, the Fed at doesn't actually lower

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Speaker 6: the interest rates. They use market mechanisms to help the

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Speaker 6: economy move. Our economy needs to be growing. It has

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Speaker 6: a slow down leftover lag from the Biden administration. It

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Speaker 6: needs to be growing. The one Big Beautiful Bill had

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Speaker 6: a lot of growth components in it. But then we

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Speaker 6: also have the trade issue and we have the tariffs

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Speaker 6: that have been placed. So bottom line, through all of this,

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Speaker 6: we need a very nimble FED, one that can move

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Speaker 6: more quickly. Now, in the end, I don't believe that

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Speaker 6: the Federal reserve system is the ideal system. I personally

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Speaker 6: think that we should have, as we've talked about in

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Speaker 6: the book, pirate money, people should have an option with

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Speaker 6: their money. It shouldn't be a monopoly just with the

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Speaker 6: FED and people ought to be using transactional gold and

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Speaker 6: silver that would give them the nimbleness to adjust to

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Speaker 6: their own personal economic situation and transacting gold and silver

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Speaker 6: as the founders intended, as it was written in Article one,

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Speaker 6: Section ten of the Constitution. And five states so far,

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Speaker 6: we've had legislators read the book in all five states

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Speaker 6: pass the law signed into law by the governor. Whether

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Speaker 6: it's Governor Abbott in Texas, or Governor Sanders in Arkansas,

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Speaker 6: or Governor DeSantis in Florida, or Landry in Louisiana or

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Speaker 6: Keiho in Missouri, they've all agreed that citizens should have

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Speaker 6: nimbleness and flexibility with money. And I think President Trump

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Speaker 6: is right on the FED. But I think we also

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Speaker 6: need a state based option for people to transact business in.

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Speaker 1: Going to transactional gold. Okay, so there's you know, folks

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Speaker 1: who don't understand this and it might be unfamiliar with this.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that are floating around

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Speaker 1: like bitcoin and cryptocurrency and creating digital markets and alternatives

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Speaker 1: to the dollar. But I'm not seeing a lot of

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Speaker 1: traction on that. I mean, I see a lot of

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Speaker 1: people that are investing in that sort of thing. But

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Speaker 1: no one's buying homes with it, no one's doing anything

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Speaker 1: with that. What are you talking about when you talk

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Speaker 1: about transactional gold?

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Speaker 6: And you make a great point. Bitcoin is an amazing investment.

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Speaker 6: For anyone who bought bitcoin, you ten fifteen years ago

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Speaker 6: when it first emerged, they're very wealthy now bitcoin billionaires.

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Speaker 6: But in terms of everyday use, you don't go to

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Speaker 6: the dairy queen and buy your dip cone with a bitcoin.

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Speaker 6: But what we're talking about is using something that's in

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Speaker 6: the Constitution, Article one, section ten that says a state

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Speaker 6: can make gold and silver legal tender in that state,

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Speaker 6: only gold and silver, not bitcoin, not anything else. But

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Speaker 6: then if you add modern technology to an old idea,

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Speaker 6: and maybe you put on deposit, for example in the

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Speaker 6: Texas Boollyon Depository, some a portion of a bar of

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Speaker 6: gold that you own, You have individual ownership, it's vaulted,

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Speaker 6: it's held, it's protected, and it's accounted for as yours.

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Speaker 6: And then you go to the dairy queen and you say, hey,

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Speaker 6: I want to give a little piece of that gold,

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Speaker 6: a tiny little fraction, a few atoms of that gold

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Speaker 6: to dairy queen in exchange for the ice cream cone,

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Speaker 6: or you go and go to the Kroger and you

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Speaker 6: buy your groceries or gas, or you buy a car.

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Speaker 6: How would you do that where you would transfer the

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Speaker 6: ownership electronically, just the same as using a debit card,

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Speaker 6: when you take the money that's in a bank and

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Speaker 6: you transfer it to another individual or entity or store

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Speaker 6: and then it's their money. You could do that with

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Speaker 6: gold and silver. We've passed laws in five states, starting

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Speaker 6: with Arkansas, then Florida, then Louisiana, then Texas, then Missouri

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Speaker 6: signed into law to where you can do that very soon.

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Speaker 6: Those laws become effective this year, next year, and in

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Speaker 6: twenty seventeen, and when they do, we've created a personal

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Speaker 6: gold standard, which is so beneficial to people because gold

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Speaker 6: tends to hold its value over time. A movie ticket

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Speaker 6: forty years ago is the same price as a movie

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Speaker 6: ticket today priced in gold, but in US dollars it's

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Speaker 6: gone from two dollars a ticket to fifteen, seventeen twenty

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Speaker 1: So well said, and I think a lot of people, look,

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Speaker 1: I have an economics background. My undergrad was in economics,

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Speaker 1: and I certainly I understand this. I think what is

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Speaker 1: lost on a lot of people is you know, the

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Speaker 1: idea of going off of what they've always known and

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Speaker 1: been accustomed to. There's a cognitive dissonance and there's a

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Speaker 1: psychology around paper money. But in nineteen seventy one, this

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Speaker 1: nation was almost two hundred years old when it went

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Speaker 1: from a gold standard to basically a paper fiat currency.

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Speaker 1: And that was in nineteen seventy one. If you had

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars at that time, it's worth eighty

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Speaker 1: seven percent less today. But if you had one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars in gold, it would have gone up in

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Speaker 1: value and you could buy more with it today. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 6: That is correct, And people do have a cognitive dissonance

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Speaker 6: until they use it and then it like bulb goes on.

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Speaker 6: But think about biblically, if you go back and read

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Speaker 6: what the Bible says about gold and silver versus would

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Speaker 6: hate and stubble. What when the testing comes, when the

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Speaker 6: fire comes, gold and silver are purified by fire, would

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Speaker 6: hayens double burn up? And that's the same thing in

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Speaker 6: economic disaster or challenge when we have those. Over time,

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Speaker 6: paper money lose its value, it disintegrates, but gold and

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Speaker 6: silver retain their value. The key here is using the

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Speaker 6: debit card, something every American is familiar with. You can

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Speaker 6: pay with it using a master card. I've got a

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Speaker 6: system out of the UK that I use now, but

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Speaker 6: it's not an American system. So we want an American

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Speaker 6: system that's state authorized that you might not even have

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Speaker 6: to worry about capital gains, tax on the appreciation of

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Speaker 6: gold relative to the dollar. It really is the basis

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Speaker 6: for my book, Pirate Money, and it really is an

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Speaker 6: opportunity for Americans to find genuine personal economic justice.

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Speaker 1: I so appreciate it. Thank you for all you're doing,

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Speaker 1: Kevin over at the Economic War Room and certainly at

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Speaker 1: the Nsic appreciate you coming on and delivering these comments

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Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you for joining Sunday the Road Forward.

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Speaker 6: Thank you Ryan.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now is Troy Miller. Troy is the president

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Speaker 1: and CEO of NRB, National Religious Broadcasters and organization that

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Speaker 1: equips Christian communicators to share the gospel with excellence on radio, television,

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Speaker 1: and all digital platforms. Troy, thank you for joining Sunday

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Speaker 1: the Road Forward. It is great to see you.

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Speaker 8: It's great to be with you today. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know that right now NRB is leading the

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Speaker 1: way on many fronts, and right now there's there's a front,

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Speaker 1: a cultural front, and even a religious front with religious

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Speaker 1: liberty where all are concerned. Here there is a case

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Speaker 1: right now where Michael Ferris is leaving the charge regarding

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Speaker 1: the Johnson Amendment. And I know for many viewers there

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Speaker 1: is been a concern for a long time about what

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Speaker 1: people are free to say, pastors free to say from

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Speaker 1: the pulpits in America. But this, you know, we have.

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Speaker 1: We're on the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, at least

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Speaker 1: the eve of the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

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Speaker 1: our nation. And for the longest time, pastors were free

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Speaker 1: to talk about politics from the pulpit. The Johnson Amendment

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Speaker 1: was introduced in the nineteen fifties, and it really became

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Speaker 1: a gag order from the federal government for pastors not

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Speaker 1: to weigh in on key political and cultural issues that

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Speaker 1: had political implications. What do we need to know about this?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Ryan, you're right. So for one hundred and seventy

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Speaker 8: plus years, pulpits across this country. Pastors were able to

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Speaker 8: speak biblical principles during the election cycles, and they spoke

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Speaker 8: about key issue us. They spoke about candidates, whether candidates

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Speaker 8: supported you know, biblical issues and biblical principles, biblical morals

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Speaker 8: and those things. And so pastors were free to do that.

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Speaker 8: And then came along Lynda B. Johnson runs for Senate.

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Speaker 8: During that Senate race, he's opposed by a number of

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Speaker 8: churches and other organizations, mainly for his racist remarks and tendencies.

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Speaker 8: But anyways, that election was a little contested itself. But

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Speaker 8: he gets into the Senate and as one of the

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Speaker 8: Senate leaders, one of the first thing he does is

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Speaker 8: attach this amendment to a bill that's going through and

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Speaker 8: thus it was called the Johnson Amendment. And this amendment

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Speaker 8: did three things. It said that nonprofit organizations, of which

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Speaker 8: churches fall under that category, they couldn't financially support candidates

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Speaker 8: for office. They couldn't oppose or endorse candidates for office,

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Speaker 8: or talk about issues that would be seen as opposing

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Speaker 8: or supporting candidates for office. And then it limited the

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Speaker 8: amount of lobbying activity that they could do. And so

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Speaker 8: this went through without a single vote in either house,

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Speaker 8: the Senate or the House, without any votes because it

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Speaker 8: was attached to one of these appropriation bills and it

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Speaker 8: had just went through and became law, and really, as

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Speaker 8: you said, had an effect to just silence the pulpits

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Speaker 8: across this country. Since that time, the IRS has really

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Speaker 8: what we see as unequally applied this rule, this law

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Speaker 8: across so several conservative churches who've talked about issues or

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Speaker 8: talked about candidates have received letters from the IRS seasoned

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Speaker 8: this this or you're going to lose your status. While

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Speaker 8: at the same time, just in the last four or

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Speaker 8: five elections, you know, we've had presidents Barack Obama, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 8: Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris have all been in churches and

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Speaker 8: endorsed from the pulpit by candidates and not so much

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Speaker 8: as a peep of the I R S.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 1: There is a there is a kind of bias, uh,

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Speaker 1: prejudicial enforcement of of this standard. It's been relaxed for

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Speaker 1: some and I would just say, I would go, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's been many churches so called for decades that have

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Speaker 1: operated like n G O s and they've been the

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Speaker 1: sort of the organizing mechanism for the left, bussing to

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Speaker 1: on voting day and ballot harvesting and other kinds of

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Speaker 1: of things. Uh, but they've they've enjoyed very relaxed standards.

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Speaker 1: The I R S never been prejudicial in terms of

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Speaker 1: their enforcement there. But when it comes to conservative churches,

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Speaker 1: absolutely the one that that is at at a top

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Speaker 1: of mind, a friend of yours and a friend of

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Speaker 1: mine is Gary Hamrick at Cornerstone Chapel.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He's been harassed by the RS. He has prevailed uh

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Speaker 1: you know in in those uh those different audits that

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Speaker 1: have come. I know that John MacArthur and there's been

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Speaker 1: others Franklin Graham has been audited as well.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And they have prevailed largely because they've had pristine record keeping.

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Speaker 1: They are above the fray when it comes to adherence

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Speaker 1: to the law. Strict adherence to uh, you know, the

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Speaker 1: codification of the law. But uh, but to your point, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Kamala Harris. Uh was in the in the Commonwealth of

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Speaker 1: Virginia where I am broadcasting from, was able during a

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Speaker 1: campaign to speak before three hundred churches, liberal left lean churches,

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Speaker 1: and as long as they were supporting the correct candidate,

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Speaker 1: the r US did nothing to oppose that.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right, and that if you look back at that,

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Speaker 8: look at the youtubes of those a lot of those

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Speaker 8: pastors came out and directly endorsed her candidacy there. But look,

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Speaker 8: you take this back, Ryan, and this real issue here

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Speaker 8: is about the government stepping in between pastors and the

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Speaker 8: pastor's conscience, the word of God, and their call before God.

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Speaker 8: And that that is exactly what the First Amendment was

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Speaker 8: meant to prohibit and protect the church against. Was the

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Speaker 8: government getting in between that because as you know, pastors

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Speaker 8: have a called a calling to preach the word of God,

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Speaker 8: and that's the full counsel of God. So to talk

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Speaker 8: about those issues that are important, uh to them as

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Speaker 8: pastors in shepherding guiding their flocks, and so that's what

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Speaker 8: we really stepped in here. That's one of the reasons.

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Speaker 8: So it's you know, really had a as you said,

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Speaker 8: it's had an effect on pastors. Yeah, they're worried about

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Speaker 8: the repercussions to their flocks, not just themselves or their church,

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Speaker 8: but to their congregations because it's the congregations that lose

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Speaker 8: out here. They're the ones that lose the tax deductible

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Speaker 8: piece of this. It's not really the church itself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's absolutely right. We just have just a few

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Speaker 1: more minutes. And I wanted to I'd be remiss if

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Speaker 1: I didn't mention this. You at NRB and George Barnett

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Speaker 1: the Barney Group have done research on this and it's

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Speaker 1: a very important study. A report that has come out

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Speaker 1: just the influence that Christian broadcasting has, particularly in this

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Speaker 1: current environment we find ourselves in in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: We have more platforms of communication today than we ever

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Speaker 1: have before since the advent of the radio. And I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to talk about the influence that Christians can

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Ryan, this was a really exciting survey. We did

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Speaker 8: this looking at what the impact of Christian media is having,

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Speaker 8: and we specifically wanted to know the impact outside of

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Speaker 8: your own local church and we ask these questions. We

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Speaker 8: ask people, don't consider your local pastor sermons or Christian

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Speaker 8: media in this And right off the bat, the big

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Speaker 8: number was sixty percent of the general population. That's the

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Speaker 8: general population of the US, not just Christian population, but

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Speaker 8: the US the broad US population tunes into some form

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Speaker 8: of Christian media on a regular basis. That was huge

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Speaker 8: to think about how many people across this country are

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Speaker 8: really tuning in, really listening to searching out Christian media

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Speaker 8: to help them in their everyday lives.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Troy Miller, President and CEO of NRB.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

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Speaker 1: Hey, thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Adrian Rogers once said, as the West goes, so goes

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Speaker 1: the world. As America goes, so goes the West. As

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Speaker 1: Christianity goes, so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity.

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Speaker 1: He said this, I'm firmly convinced that if we could

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Speaker 1: clean up the pulpits of America, we'd go a long

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Speaker 1: way to cleaning up America. Let's pray for revival and

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Speaker 1: for revival to begin in our churches and our pulpits

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Speaker 1: across the nation. I'll leave you on that note until

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Speaker 1: next time. God bless you, Maade by God, God