1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan is professor of forensics at Jacksonville State 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: University's also author of Blood Beneath My Feet? What have 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:11,479 Speaker 1: they found at the residence and property of Chad Daybell? 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: Just got, you know what, towards human remains. I did 5 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: not think this day would ever come. I did not 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: think that we would hear that. But Chad day Bell 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: has been arrested. The authorities, including the FBI, the state 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: police with Idaho, the local sheriff's office in that area, 9 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: in the Rexburg Police Department, went to his property and 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,880 Speaker 1: have begun excavating that property, and on that property, we 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 1: can report now that they have actually found two, not one, 12 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: but two sets of human remains. Now we do not 13 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: know at this time who these remains belong to. We 14 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: don't know if it is in fact the children, but 15 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: the fact that it is on his property that they 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: have acquired a search warrant, because let's keep in mind, 17 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: with a search warrant, it's very specific. Contrary to what 18 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: people think, you can't just take a shotgun approach to 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: one of these. You have to be very specific about 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: where you're going to search. The question then has to 21 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: be asked where did the authorities develop the information to 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: actually go into the search warrant to present to a 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: judge or a magistrate that would sign off on this 24 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: saying yes, go and execute the search warrant. They have 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: to be very specific, so that gives us an idea 26 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: that they developed information either through questioning maybe mister day Bell, 27 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 1: or through a second source that they talked to that 28 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: maybe he's anonymous, that said, listen, you might want to 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: search this particular area. Now, the area where they are searching, 30 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: and I've looked at the aerial photographs and there are 31 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: plenty of them to see these appeared would come from 32 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: drone footage. I can tell you that the area where 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: they are searching is immediately adjacent to what many of 34 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: us would call a fire pit or a fire ring. 35 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: There's literally a big area where you can tell that 36 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 1: burning has been going on there. There are big logs 37 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: that are pulled up where people are actually using these 38 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 1: apparently to sit around the fire and enjoy a bonfire. 39 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: But just adjacent to that, just adjacent to that is 40 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: a large area that has been excavated. When I say excavated, 41 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: they brought out a front endloader a baco to come 42 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:19,079 Speaker 1: and dig down the earth. Now it looks like they've 43 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: dug down maybe two to three feet, and in some 44 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: of the images you can actually see the investigators down 45 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: in this depressed area, down into this area where they 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: have dug away the soil to kind of sift through it. 47 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: There's even a sifting station that's immediately adjacent to this, 48 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: under a big blue tarp, where you take the dirt 49 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: that you've taken out of this pit and sift through it, 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: kind of shake it down, and you're looking for all 51 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: types of evidence. They're gonna be looking for things like bullets, 52 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: cigarette butts, buttons off of clothing, zippers, anything, or maybe 53 00:02:55,960 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: even teeth, small bones, stuff that gets lost and with it. 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,360 Speaker 1: When you're looking at brown dirt, everything looks brown and 55 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: it's tough to examine it. That's why after they get 56 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: everything out of this area, everything comes out of it, 57 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: they're going to take these remains to the medical Examiner's 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: office more than likely and boise and examine these things 59 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: under controlled conditions. That means that the forensic anthropologist, which 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: is a PhD scientist most of the time, will actually 61 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: leave from the scene more than likely go with the 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: remains to the location where the medical Examiner's office and 63 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: along with probably a forensic dentist and a forensic pathologist 64 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 1: who is also the m will all examine these remains. 65 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: They'll be photographed extensively. They're going to examine every bone, 66 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: They're going to look for every nick and every bone. 67 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: They're going to see first off, who these remains belong to. Remember, 68 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: we've got two sets of remains, so they're gonna have 69 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: to separate everything out. Then they're going to try to 70 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: determine and this is the most difficult part, the cause 71 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: of death. When you have skeletonized remains like these, it's 72 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: very very difficult. Now, let's think about JJ and Tyly. 73 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: They've been missing since roughly I think Tyley went missing 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: back in late August. JJ has been missing essentially since September. 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 1: That's the last time these two kids have been seen. 76 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: Let's just speculate here and say, well, what if they 77 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 1: had been buried at this location. We're now into June 78 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: several months later. That means that anything that was in 79 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the ground since that point in time is going to 80 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: be greatly degraded and decomposed. So those fine pieces of 81 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: evidence that we're looking forward that are going to tie 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,479 Speaker 1: back to say, the causal effects of death. Sometimes those 83 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: can be compromised. Sometimes it can be very difficult. If 84 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: you're talking about a gunshot wound, for instance, to the 85 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: back of the head. Yeah, that's kind of glaring. Anybody 86 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: could see that. But what if this is something else. 87 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: But if the two remains that are in that area 88 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: that has been excavated, what if there's no soft tissue left. 89 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: What if these are soft tissue related injuries, say like 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,599 Speaker 1: a suffocation or strangulation, you might not be able to 91 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: see that or something even more sinister. And we look 92 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: back to Tammy day Bell, who died in October, was 93 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: never thoroughly examined, never drew talks on her. What if 94 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: it was some kind of chemical agent that was used 95 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: to render their death, You're not going to be able 96 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,360 Speaker 1: to find any evidence of that. So right now, yeah, 97 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: it's great that we have found out that there are 98 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: two sets or remains, but the problem is there's still 99 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: a lot of work to be done. The police are 100 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: going to have to sift through everything very very carefully. 101 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: I submit right now that this investigation is not at 102 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: a conclusion. It is at the beginning at this point 103 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: because all this time they have been looking for these children, 104 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: and many people have just thought, well, they're alive, we're 105 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: holding out hope. This is on from simply a search 106 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: and rescue mission to now a double homicide investigation. Potentially 107 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: at least we say, yeah, let me ask you this, yep, 108 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: how is it possible that the police were out on 109 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 1: this property they served as search warrant at the residence 110 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: of Chad day Bell already. They apparently had to go 111 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 1: back to square one because that's that's been several weeks 112 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 1: ago now, And how did they develop information to come 113 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: back and do such a targeted search. This is not 114 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: a small property. This is a fairly large area, and 115 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: they it looks like they were pinpointing where they were 116 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: going to be looking. This is a very large piece 117 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: of property that day Bell owns, and I find it, 118 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: as an investigator, very interesting. I'll just say it's piqued 119 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: my interest, that's for sure. That they didn't go to 120 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 1: the left or the right of the fire pit, they 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: didn't go to the back of the property. They went 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: specifically to this area immediately adjacent to this fire pit, 123 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: immediately adjacent to the fire ring, where people could sit 124 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: around and enjoy this and within feet of that area 125 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: began to dig. And it's not like they dug a 126 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: bunch of test areas all around that. You can see 127 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: that in the aerial photography. I've seen multiple cases where 128 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: death investigations are involved where they're digging around a property 129 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: and you'll see multiple holes. That's not what happened here. 130 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: They went to a specific area and they didn't venture 131 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: out from that. They centered on that area. They've been 132 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: digging and excavating that area. That tells me that they 133 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: had specific information when they walked into that judge or 134 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: magistrates office and said, your honor, here's this piece of paper. 135 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: It's a warrant. It's a search warrant for Chad day 136 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: Belle's property. We have reason to believe that there are 137 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: remains are significant evidence in this specific location. They could 138 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: probably even measure this down to the foot and say 139 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: this is where it's going to be. They put shovel 140 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: to dirt and they came up with human remains. Will 141 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: they be able to determine how long the remains have 142 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: been on the property in the dirt that it's going 143 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: to be very interesting to see if they're able to 144 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: determine specifically, how long these remains have been in that area. 145 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: You know, people have been searching for the children for 146 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: Tylely and JJ now for months, and I think everybody 147 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: wants to know, well, if this is in fact tyle 148 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and JJ's remains, how long have they been there? Were 149 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: they held somewhere else, were they frozen perhaps for a 150 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: period of time, and then brought to this area and 151 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: deposited here. So what they're going to be looking at 152 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: is something that we refer to as post mortem interval, 153 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 1: literally the time since death. And there's a lot of 154 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: factors that play into this when you're talking about buried 155 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: human remains, because it's not just like you walk into 156 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: a room and there's somebody that has been unrefrigerated, maybe 157 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: they died in their sleep the night before. This is 158 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,560 Speaker 1: these are bodies that have been placed, supposedly in bare earth, 159 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: have been subjected to the harsh environment that's up there, 160 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: and have been degrading for this period of time. That is, 161 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: supposing that this is not a historic or historical burial, 162 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: which I'm assuming it's probably not, since we've got two 163 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: bodies here on Chad Daville's property and they didn't go 164 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: very deep. It looks like they've only dug down maybe 165 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 1: two to three feet at its greatest depth to reclaim 166 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: whatever is there. If folks are looking for the police 167 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: to say, yes, they died on this specific date, that 168 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: ain't going to happen in this case. It's almost an 169 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: empirical impossibility to do that. Unless you had an eyewitness 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: that saw of this and then watch the bodies be 171 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: buried or participated in the burial. Maybe on the off 172 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: chance you could tighten it down little bit more. But 173 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: if these remains have been buried and they have been 174 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: there for months and months and months, you're not going 175 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: to be able to say it was on a specific date. 176 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Now you can bracket this and say maybe a French 177 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: against apologist might can say plus or minus six to 178 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: eight weeks, and that's going to be about as tight 179 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: as they're going to be able to get it. At 180 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day. This ain't CSA from TV. 181 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: They're not able to tie things down that tightly. We'll 182 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: see what the sign to say after the exam is completed. Though, 183 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: from an investigator standpoint, what does it mean to you 184 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: that in reality, the last time jj Vaalo was seen 185 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: was around September twenty third. Tylie Ryan a bit before then. 186 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: But now we know that Tammy day Bell passed away 187 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: at this residence where they just found two sets of 188 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: human remains. She passed away in October, well after the 189 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: last time the children, the young children were seen alive. 190 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that this, you know, 191 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: it really makes me think of is that in succession, 192 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 1: we have got three people that have literally left us 193 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: in this period of time. We've got Tyley in August. 194 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,440 Speaker 1: The next month, you have JJ who disappears as well, 195 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: and then you have Tammy day Bell who mysteriously dies 196 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: in her sleep, a forty nine year old woman who 197 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: was quote unquote just coughing before she went to bed, 198 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: and no one ever did an exam on her body. 199 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 1: So you've got three people that pass in very close 200 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,839 Speaker 1: or you've got three people that are no longer with 201 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: us at this point, in a very short period of time. 202 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about a matter of weeks, and there's all 203 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: there's some type of potential association with Chad day Bell's 204 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: property here. I think that as an investigator, I've got 205 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 1: a red flag that I can see right now that's 206 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 1: going up. It's I've got bells that are going off. 207 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: Something has happened here that's connected between all of these two. 208 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: You take that and then you begin to look at 209 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Laurie Valle's behavior immediately after this 210 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: How long was it? Not very long after they got 211 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: married and they headed off to Hawaii. Now, I don't 212 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 1: think that these are huge intellectual leaps that we're taking here, 213 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: but we can speculate all we want. We're going to 214 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: have to see what the scientific information says, and then 215 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: couple that with the investigative information that the FBI, the 216 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: state investigators have all been developing over this period of time. 217 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: And I think that once all of this kind of 218 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: comes out and is presented to the public, they're going 219 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: to be surprised and they're going to be shocked, and 220 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,680 Speaker 1: it's going to be striking. And I think that you're 221 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: going to be able to look at this and say, Wow, 222 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: Hell really doesn't have a basement. We've gone really far 223 00:12:58,160 --> 00:12:59,199 Speaker 1: down a rabbit hole here.