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Speaker 1: Cool Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, four days before Halloween, former Fox News

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Speaker 2: anchor Tucker Carlson hosted the twenty seven year old white

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Speaker 2: pharmacist influencer Nick Fuentes on Natucker's popular internet show. Two

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Speaker 2: weeks later. This interview has over six million views on YouTube,

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Speaker 2: over half a million on Rumble, and eighteen million alleged

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Speaker 2: views on x the Everything app with over one hundred

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Speaker 2: thousand likes and twenty thousand retweets, plus the unknown number

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Speaker 2: of views from podcasting platforms like Apple or Spotify, on

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Speaker 2: which Tucker Carlson's show also airs. This is it could

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Speaker 2: happen here. I'm Garrison Davis. Throughout the almost entirely friendly

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Speaker 2: two hour interview, Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson discussed next

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Speaker 2: libertarian origin story, his convert into Trump's bombastic style of populism,

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Speaker 2: getting a show on the right Side broadcast network as

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Speaker 2: a teenager after a viral college debate, how The Daily

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Speaker 2: Wire initially befriended then tried to quash his early political career,

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Speaker 2: and how that pushed Nick to adopt a far right

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Speaker 2: adversarial stance against mainstream conservatism and the gatekeepers of the

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Speaker 2: conservative establishment. Which Nick identified as the quote unquote Zionist

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Speaker 2: Jews like Ben Shapiro, Dave Rubin, and Dennis Prager. Here's

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Speaker 2: Nick and Tucker.

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Speaker 3: It was these the guys that were really controlling the

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Speaker 3: media apparatus that seemed to me to be the biggest

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Speaker 3: impediment Fox.

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Speaker 4: Fox is not a Jewish business though, Well, Rupert.

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Speaker 3: Murdoch is an ally of Nan Yahoo, so he's aligned. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he owns the whole news corp empire, so and yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's certainly a part of it. Also.

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Speaker 4: I mean Dave Rubin though, does he matter?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 6: No, not really right, I mean, Dave Rubin is like,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if people watch Dave Rubin. Uh, they

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Speaker 6: did back then.

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Speaker 3: I mean, because you got to consider they they were

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Speaker 3: kind of like the ascendant new media. You know, they

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Speaker 3: represented the next big thing. I mean, and Ben Shapiro

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Speaker 3: seems irrelevant to me now now, but back then, for

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Speaker 3: I guess that's that's true. So maybe you one.

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, Tucker tried to advise Twentes to focus more of

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Speaker 2: his ire on Israel's influence on American politics as a

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Speaker 2: foreign policy issue and not quote unquote blood guilt based

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Speaker 2: on ethnicity while Fuentes defended the necessity of his rhetoric

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Speaker 2: against what he called the quote unquote unique issue of

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Speaker 2: quote unquote organized Jewelry that promotes a form of identity politics,

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Speaker 2: linking Israel to quote Jewishness as an ethnicity, identity, and

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Speaker 2: religion which makes most culturally Jewish people incompatible with America

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Speaker 2: first patriotism. This is basic dual loyalty anti Semitism, which

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Speaker 2: Nick continued to outline by framing Jewish people as a

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Speaker 2: historically stateless people that resist assimilation and put to their

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Speaker 2: own interests above those of whichever non Jewish majority country

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Speaker 2: they currently resigne, attention which the existence of Israel now heightens.

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Speaker 3: No other country has a strong identity like that, This

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Speaker 3: religious blood and soil conviction, this history of being in

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Speaker 3: the diaspora, stateless, wandering, persecuted, and in particular, the historic

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Speaker 3: animosity between the Jewish people and the Europeans. They hate

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Speaker 3: the Romans because the Romans destroyed the Temple. That's why

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Speaker 3: Eric Weinstein goes to the arch of Titus and gives

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Speaker 3: it the finger and takes a picture. We don't think

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Speaker 3: like that. As Americans and white people, we don't think

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Speaker 3: think about the Roman Empire in two thousand years ago.

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Speaker 2: They do right, Americans and Christians would never think about

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Speaker 2: Check's notes the Roman Empire or the events of two

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Speaker 2: thousand years ago. Sure, Nick, Obviously to many people listening

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Speaker 2: to this show, Fuentes has been a known anti Semitic

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Speaker 2: stream control for nearly ten years, and Tucker himself knows this.

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Speaker 2: The main pushback Tucker gave Nick was on why Nick

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Speaker 2: attacked other figures on the far right who were possible

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Speaker 2: allies of the America First movement and America First foreign policy,

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Speaker 2: like Marjorie Taylor Green, jd Vance, Joe Kent, and Tucker himself.

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Speaker 4: Why attack them?

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Speaker 3: Well, in short, they attacked me first. Yeah, but like

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Speaker 3: who cares Well, let's take Joe Camp. I mean, you

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Speaker 3: attacked me constantly.

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Speaker 2: Tucker also advocated framing that does not allow it he

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Speaker 2: believes to be popular America First ideas like opposition to

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Speaker 2: foreign influence and dual citizenship to get subverted by leaning

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Speaker 2: into accusations of hate and racial prejudice, which during the

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Speaker 2: interview Fuenttes nominally agreed with some of them.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry to be a conspiracy nut. I really try

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Speaker 4: not to be a conspiracy because it's embarrassing, you know.

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Speaker 4: But after January sixth, then just finding out the number

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Speaker 4: of FBI personnel in the crowd, it's like, and I've

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Speaker 4: just seen this. David Duke is a great example. Some

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Speaker 4: of these are the Charlottesville rally.

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Speaker 4: I had a bunch of FEDS there being like, we're

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Speaker 4: white supremacist, we hate the blacks, you know, using the

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Speaker 4: It's like, that's not real, Like there is some of

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Speaker 4: that going on, don't you think.

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Speaker 6: I think that I think that there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: sincere people. Well for sure, I completely agree, you know,

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Speaker 6: and they're just non skulls.

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Speaker 2: For some reason, Nick neglected to mention that he in

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Speaker 2: fact was at Charlottesville and the backlash to the Unite

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Speaker 2: the Right rally forced him to drop out of college

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Speaker 2: and propelled his streaming career. Throughout this whole interview, it

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Speaker 2: mostly felt like Tucker was trying to act as a

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Speaker 2: mentor figure to Fuentes, advising him to let go of

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Speaker 2: past beefs and providing a sort of clean slate to

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Speaker 2: allow Nick to present his political views in a more

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Speaker 2: streamlined manner as simply Auntie Israel as an Extension of America. First.

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Speaker 2: During the interview, Tucker himself explained his motives for inviting

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Speaker 4: Do you hope that people who want to learn what's

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Speaker 4: happening and who you are will watch the whole thing?

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Speaker 4: It's probably naive, hope that it won't be reduced to

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Speaker 4: whatever you're saying, something naughty and me laughing and see

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Speaker 4: they're both Nazis. I mean, you know that's going to happen,

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Speaker 4: of course, but I'm willing to take that risk because

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Speaker 4: I just think it's important to know you're clearly acendant.

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Speaker 4: You're enormously and more talent than I am, for sure

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Speaker 4: as a talker. So and they've you know, there have

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Speaker 4: been a lot of attempts to silence here and hasn't worked.

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Speaker 4: So my calculation always be as blun as I can be,

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Speaker 4: is like I don't want to have fun tests on.

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Speaker 4: It was be like you, but you're a Nazi, just

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Speaker 4: like Fuint does. Okay, But then I'm like, I don't

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Speaker 4: think fet test is going away. Ben Shapiro tried to

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Speaker 4: like strangle him in the crib in college, and now

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Speaker 4: he's bigger than ever, so it probably would just be

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Speaker 4: worth hearing what Nick Flintes thinks. I just want to

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Speaker 4: be transparent about my motives here.

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Speaker 2: And I think Tucker is right in calling Flenttees ascendant.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that at the end of this episode.

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Speaker 2: For the last thirty minutes of this interview, the two

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Speaker 2: discussed pornography, alcohol and drugs as ruining America's young men

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Speaker 2: through reality distortion, and I had a whole segment on

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Speaker 2: Nick fuent As explaining to a confused Tucker Carlson the

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Speaker 2: concept of internet pornography, which unfortunately I had to cut

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Speaker 2: for time. But if there's enough demand for this on

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Speaker 2: Blue Sky or Reddit, maybe I can make a bonus

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Speaker 2: episode next week. Rather than focusing on the substance of

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Speaker 2: this interview in Tucker's motivation, a lot of mainstream reporting

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Speaker 2: has just highlighted a few controversial sound bites, like an

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Speaker 2: offhand semitroll comment about how Fuentes admires Stalin. But this

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Speaker 2: interview did send shockwaves through the American conservative ecosystem, of

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Speaker 2: which Fuentes was always held at a very long arm's

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Speaker 2: length away. In the immediate wake of the interview, references

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Speaker 2: to Tucker were curiously removed from the Heritage Foundation's donor

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Speaker 2: page in partnership with the Tucker Carlson Network. On October thirtieth,

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Speaker 2: Heritage President Kevin Roberts released a video defending Tucker, captioned,

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Speaker 2: there has been speculation that Heritage is distant and seeing

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Speaker 2: itself from Tucker Carlson over the past twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: I want to put that to rest right now.

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Speaker 9: Conservatives should feel no obligation to reflexively support any foreign government,

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Speaker 9: no matter how loud the pressure becomes from the globalist

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Speaker 9: class or from their mouthpieces in Washington. The Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 9: didn't become the intellectual backbone of the conservative movement by

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Speaker 9: canceling our own people or policing the consciences of Christians,

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Speaker 9: and we won't start doing that now. We will always

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Speaker 9: defend our friends against the slander of bad actors who

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Speaker 9: serve someone else's agenda. That includes Tucker Carlson, who remains

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Speaker 9: and as I have said before, always will be a

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Speaker 9: close friend of the Heritage Foundation. The venomous coalition attacking

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Speaker 9: him or sowing division their attempt to cancel him will fail.

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Speaker 9: Most importantly, the American people expect us to be focusing

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Speaker 9: on our political adversaries on the left, not attacking our

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Speaker 9: friends on the right. We disagree with and even a

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Speaker 9: poor things that Nick flint has says, but canceling him

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Speaker 9: is not the answer either. When we disagree with the

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Speaker 9: person's thoughts and opinions, we challenged those ideas and debate,

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Speaker 9: and we have seen success in this approach as we

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Speaker 9: continued to dismantle the vile ideas of the left.

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Speaker 2: Roberts primarily framed this as an issue of cancelation and

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Speaker 2: included some pretty sketchy lines in that video. Roberts also

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Speaker 2: said that Heritage doesn't quote take direction from members or donors.

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Speaker 2: This video was polarizing, to say the least. Nick Fuintes

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Speaker 2: fans who are called groupers and America First nationalists rejoiced

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Speaker 2: and claimed victory, while many GOP establishment figures, Jewish Republicans,

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Speaker 2: and many Heritage employees were left bamboozled. The New York

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Speaker 2: Post published internal Heritage group chats, with staff members writing

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Speaker 2: that this was quote the most embarrassed I've ever been

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Speaker 2: biggest think tanks in the world unquote more texts reread

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Speaker 2: quote saying we can't cancel someone is safe space, wokeism

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Speaker 2: and quote. If we are labeled on the same side

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Speaker 2: as Nick Fuentez, then we deserve to lose. Talking with

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Speaker 2: now beyond employee dissent. Sources close to Heritage told The

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Speaker 2: unquote hemorrhaging evangelical, Christian and Jewish donors. David Bernstein, the

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Speaker 2: author of Woke Anti Semitism and a former member of

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Speaker 2: the task force that Heritage called Project Ester National Strategy

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Speaker 2: Kevin Robert's remarks citing the language of a venomous coalition

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Speaker 2: aligned against Tucker. To quote Jewish Insider quote, Rabbi Yakov Mencken,

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Speaker 2: executive vice president of the Coalition for Jewish Values, told

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Speaker 2: Jewish Insider that Robert's message quote was the most tone

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Speaker 2: heard from major Washington organization on any political side. Menkin

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Speaker 2: resigned from Heritage's Protrogester, the group's anti Semitism initiative last

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Speaker 2: week in response to Robert's video message defending Karlsson, along

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Speaker 2: with Mencken and Coalition of Jewish Voices, several other groups

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Speaker 2: have also publicly disaffiliated from Heritage's anti Semitism task force,

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Speaker 2: including the National Jewish Advocacy Center, the Zionist Organization of America,

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Speaker 2: and the Young Jewish Conservatives. On Halloween, Heritage president Kevin

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Speaker 2: Roberts made a post summarizing a small sampling of Fuentes's

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Speaker 2: most racist, anti Semitic, and pro Hitler views and said quote,

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Speaker 2: our task is to confront and challenge those poisonous ideas

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Speaker 2: at every turn to prevent them from taking America to

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Speaker 2: a very dark place. Join us not to cancel, but

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Speaker 2: to guide, challenge, and strengthen the conversation. And be confident

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Speaker 2: as I am, that our best ideas at the heart

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Speaker 2: of Western civilization will prevail for those, especially young men,

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Speaker 2: who are enticed by Fuentes and his acolytes online, there

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Speaker 2: is a better way. Roberts has repeatedly said that attempting

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Speaker 2: to cancel Fuentes would only grow his audience, as opposed

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Speaker 10: It is not cancelation to draw moral lines between viewpoints.

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Speaker 10: cowardly to stand up. Apparently they're willing to play foot

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Speaker 10: with grouper' and hug Tucker Carlson out of fear of

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Speaker 10: somehow losing support. They've been bamboozled by the lies of

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Speaker 10: the ex algorithm and the TikTok metrics. The left followed

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Speaker 10: its radicals to electoral hell. Apparently many on the right

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Speaker 10: wish to do the same. Forget the morality, then, for

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Speaker 10: just a moment, let's be pragmatic. Here is the thing.

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Speaker 10: Americans hate Nick flent As philosophy. They think it's trash. Republicans,

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Speaker 10: by the polling, think it's trash. Independence think it's trash.

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Speaker 10: Democrats think it's trash. And here's the other thing. Americans

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Speaker 10: hate Tucker Carlson's wandered anti Americanism. Republicans think it's trash,

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Speaker 10: Independents think it's trash. Democrats think it's trash. Americans are

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Speaker 10: not pro segregation, pro rape, anti woman, pro child marriage,

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Speaker 10: anti black, anti Jew, anti Indian, anti Latino, anti constitution,

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Speaker 10: pro hitler nut jobs like Nick flent As.

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Speaker 2: You might want to tell that to I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Stephen Miller, Ben and like maybe half your employees. Here's

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Speaker 2: Matt Walsh's own description for his most recent Daily Wire

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Speaker 2: podcast episode, quote, Somali tribal conflict has made its way

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Speaker 2: into multiple American states. A man is arrested for shouting

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Speaker 2: f the Jews at Dave Portnoy. Meanwhile, and TIFO riots

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Speaker 2: with no consequence. White liberal radio host kisses Jasmine Crockett's feet, Ben,

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Speaker 2: the call is coming from inside the Daily wire House.

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Speaker 10: If Republicans decide to cower before the likes of neo

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Speaker 10: Nazis and their propagandizers, they deserve to lose, and they

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Speaker 10: will lose. Neo Nazis and their propagandizers are not Republicans.

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Speaker 10: They're not America first, They're not Maga. They sure as

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Speaker 10: hell aren't conservative. These people aren't to my right, They're

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Speaker 10: not attached in any way to the fundamental principles of conservatism.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Ben, but they are. They are in the

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Speaker 2: Mega White House, they are on TV, on Fox News,

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Speaker 2: They're getting more views than you are on on TikTok

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Speaker 2: and fucking rumble. Many have either worked for you or

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Speaker 2: still work for you, and you've been completely fine with

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Speaker 2: all of that as long as they've been sufficiently pro Israel.

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Speaker 2: Here's a Ben Shapiro tweet from September seventeenth, twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 2: and Culter tweets read Jews awful, nonsensical, and Culter is

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Speaker 2: also super pro Israel and has always been, so I

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Speaker 2: won't lose sleep. I never thought the leopards would eat

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Speaker 2: my face Sobs, conservative podcaster who voted for the Leopards

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Speaker 2: Eating People's Faces party. The same day, Shapiro released this

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Speaker 2: forty minute video, Matt Walsh posted, quote Pat Buchanan didn't

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Speaker 2: just have a good ideas, he was right about almost everything.

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Speaker 2: He's the most vindicated political figure of our lifetime unquote.

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Speaker 2: If you want a fun, little ten minute side quest,

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Speaker 2: google Hat Buchanan, Nazi, Hat Buchanan, anti Semitism. Every few months,

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Speaker 2: these right wing ghouls get a harsh reminder of the

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Speaker 2: world that they have conjured into being. Remember the h

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Speaker 2: one b Visa debacle earlier this year, with Elon Musk

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Speaker 2: and Ramaswami upset that all of their racist fans don't

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Speaker 2: want to bring in immigrant workers after Elon funded a

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Speaker 2: campaign about how immigrants are stealing Americans jobs. As writer

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Speaker 2: John Gans put it, quote the Geopi civil war is

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Speaker 2: between the Vanilla fascists and the National Socialists unquote. At

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Speaker 2: the Republican Jewish Coalition fortieth anniversary summit, Congressman Randy Fine

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Speaker 2: proudly announced that he canceled an upcoming event with Heritage.

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Speaker 7: I was supposed to do an event with Heritage next week.

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Speaker 7: Think On Wednesday. They don't know what I'm about to

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Speaker 7: tell you. Right now, We're canceling it. They will have

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Speaker 7: no future in my office, and I will be calling

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Speaker 7: on all of my colleagues on the Republican side to

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Speaker 7: do the same. If those who support Tucker Carlson want

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Speaker 7: to see a venomous coalition, all they need to do

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Speaker 7: is go look in the mirror.

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Speaker 2: During that same speech, he boasted about this, I've.

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Speaker 7: Called for Zilron Mondami to be deported. The only thing

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Speaker 7: I want to see him running for is his gate

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Speaker 7: at JFK on the deportation flight to Uganda.

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Speaker 2: First they came for the communists, Randy. I never thought

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Speaker 2: the leopards would eat my face. Sobs of Florida congressman

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Speaker 2: with Twitter pronouns listed as Hebrew slash hammer, who's a

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Speaker 2: member of the Leopards eating People's faces party. During the

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Speaker 2: opening to the Republican Jewish Coalition event, Ted Cruz addressed

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Speaker 2: this moment of fracture within the establishment right as a

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Speaker 2: quote unquote time of choosing and said that in the

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Speaker 2: past six months he's quote seen more antisemitism on the

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Speaker 2: right than I had in my entire life. This is

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Speaker 2: a poison, and I believe we are facing an existential

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Speaker 2: crisis in our party and our country unquote. Cruz later

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Speaker 2: shared a Free Press article on his comments. The CEO

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Speaker 2: of the Republican Jewish Coalition, Matt Brooks, told jewsh Insider

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Speaker 2: that he is quote appalled, offended, and disgusted that Kevin

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Speaker 2: Roberts and Heritage would stand with Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes,

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Speaker 2: that there would be a quote reassessment of our relationship

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Speaker 2: with Heritage in light of this unquote. On November third,

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Speaker 2: Missouri Senator and J six supporter Josh Hawley denounced Fuentes's

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Speaker 2: rhetoric as anti Semitic, telling Jewish Insider quote, that's not

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Speaker 2: who we are as Republicans, as conservatives. The question for

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Speaker 2: us as conservatives is are those views going to find

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Speaker 2: who we are? I think we need to say no.

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Speaker 2: As a conservative, but also as a Christian, there is

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Speaker 2: no place for anti Semitic, hatred, tropes, any of that stuff.

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Speaker 2: Do we really want to be a part of what

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Speaker 2: we've seen happen on college campuses? Unquote. Senator James Langford

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Speaker 2: of Oklahoma, the co chair of the Senate Anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: Task Force told a Jewish Insider that he was quote

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Speaker 2: A little surprised that Heritage jumped out in support of

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Speaker 2: Carlson and Nick Fuentes to say, hey, we want them

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Speaker 2: in our camp. After the statements that were made. Heritage

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Speaker 2: could have just sat back and not said anything, but

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Speaker 2: instead they chose to jump out on their side. I

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Speaker 2: don't get that unquote. Like Ben Shapiro and Josh Holly,

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Speaker 2: James Langford related this to a perceived by partisan crisis. Quote,

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Speaker 2: the left has seen an implosion of their party based

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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism rising in their party. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to see the same thing happen on the right. What

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Speaker 2: I've tried to be very clear on is that the

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Speaker 2: new right is now quoting an old wrong unquote. Senator

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Speaker 2: Rick Scott of Florida basically said the same thing, quote

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Speaker 2: the Democrat Party, we already have a party that's for

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Speaker 2: antisemitism and is against Israel. The Republican Party is going

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Speaker 2: to stand for Israel. We're going to stand against antisemitism.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question unquote as if the

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Speaker 2: Democrat Party is against Israel. And it's astonishing to watch

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Speaker 2: all of these senators cope with the results of years

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Speaker 2: of watering down accusations of anti Semitism to simply reflect

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Speaker 2: any criticism of Israel, as they're now facing of massive

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Speaker 2: resurgence of genuine anti semitism from known anti Semitic actors

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Speaker 2: on the right. Turns out it's way easier to police

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Speaker 2: campus anti genocide protests than deal with the anti Semitism

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Speaker 2: spread on the massive platforms of Nick Foi Tz and

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Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson. But not all senators are worried. Lindsey Graham,

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Speaker 2: while speaking at the Republican Jewish Coalition, was less worried

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Speaker 2: about Tucker f when Tes and the future of the party.

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Speaker 8: So I just want to say I feel good about

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Speaker 8: the Republican Party. I feel good about where we're going

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Speaker 8: as a nation. We're killing all the right people, and

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Speaker 8: we're cutting your taxes. Trump is my favorite president. We've

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Speaker 8: run out of bombs. We didn't run out of bombs

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Speaker 8: in World War Two. So to those who worry about

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Speaker 8: these stupid interviews and far off places, don't worry. The

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Speaker 8: Republican Party has figured it out when it comes to Israel.

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Speaker 2: We're killing all the right people. Here at the leopards

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Speaker 2: eating people's faces party. Surely the leopards will never eat

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Speaker 2: my or my friends' faces. On the night of November three,

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Speaker 2: Heritage President Kevin Roberts give a speech at Hillsdale College

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Speaker 2: on anti Semitism and cancel culture. He first talked for

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Speaker 2: two minutes about why he and Heritage will continue to

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Speaker 2: oppose cancelation and the importance of loyalty toward friends, and

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Speaker 2: defended his previous statement by reiterating that if you have

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Speaker 2: a problem with someone's quote content, issues, or ideas, then

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Speaker 2: by all means go debate them unquote. But then he

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Speaker 2: admitted that his mistake, which was made quote unquote with

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Speaker 2: the best intentions, was focusing on the legitimate problem of

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Speaker 2: cancelation over other problems like anti Semitism. The Roberts then

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Speaker 2: immediately justified his rhetoric as an attempt to reach out

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Speaker 2: to the quote unquote several million young men on the

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Speaker 2: quote unquote far fringes of the right who are increasingly

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Speaker 9: And our motivation at Heritage for making that statement was

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Speaker 9: to begin appealing even more than we have to those

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Speaker 9: identity by following the wrong people.

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Speaker 2: This pseudo apology continues to frame this primarily as an

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Speaker 2: issue of cancelation. Who is asking to cancel Tucker? Roberts

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Speaker 2: acts as if there is nothing in between a lifelong

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Speaker 2: endorsement and total cancelation. After Robert's comments at Hillsdale College,

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Speaker 2: another member of the Heritage Anti Semitism Task Force, attorney

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Speaker 2: Ian Spear, announced that he was leaving Heritage and posted

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Speaker 2: a statement calling Robert's Hillsdale College speech a quote strategic

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Speaker 2: non apology that doubles down on loyalty to Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 2: muses about welcoming gropers and the groper curious into the movement,

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Speaker 2: and continues to gaslight everyone about cancelation when that clearly

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Speaker 2: isn't the issue.

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Speaker 10: Quote.

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Speaker 2: That same day, Tuesday of vas fourth, Chris Demuth, a

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Speaker 2: Heritage Distinguished Fellow, also confirmed his resignation, and an email

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Speaker 2: leaped from the co chairs of the Heritage affiliated National

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Speaker 2: Task Force to Combat Antisemitism sent to task Force members

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Speaker 2: with a list of demands the Heritage President Kevin Roberts demands,

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Speaker 2: including that he delete his initial video, apologize to Jews

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Speaker 2: and Christians who quote believe that Israel has a special

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Speaker 2: role to play both biblically and politically unquote a demand

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Speaker 2: to condemn but not cancel Tucker Carlson's anti Semitic content

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Speaker 2: and statements and host Shabbat dinners for the Heritage Interns

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Speaker 2: and junior staff. To quote directly from this leaked email

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Speaker 2: addressing Roberts quote, you pointed out repeatedly that we face

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Speaker 2: a challenge in reaching disenfranchised young men who are caught

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Speaker 2: in the spells of Nick Fuentes and others. To address

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Speaker 2: this issue specifically, we recommend hiring a visiting fellow, one

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Speaker 2: who shares may the extreme conservative views on Israel, Jews,

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Speaker 2: and Christian Zionists, who would help identify strategies and tools

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Speaker 2: to win gen z and beyond. It is clear that

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Speaker 2: there is an internal battle within the conservative movement over

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Speaker 2: who is to be included. The division between no enemy

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Speaker 2: to the right versus a moral conservatism demands our attention

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Speaker 2: a conference that provides some guidelines to the movement on

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Speaker 2: how to best keep unity without needing to include the

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Speaker 2: worst among us. Two days later, the National Task Force

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Speaker 2: decided to break ties with the Heritage Foundation, writing in

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Speaker 2: an email that it was quote important for us to

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Speaker 2: continue the work of the task Force outside the Heritage

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Speaker 2: Foundation for a season, writing that this whole incident quote

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Speaker 2: exposed a serious problem within the conservative movement. It's been

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Speaker 2: like this for a long time. They've just been so

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Speaker 2: focused on campus activists protesting the Palestinian genocide that they've

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Speaker 2: missed the festering anti Semitism spreading across the right. Quote.

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Speaker 2: The National Task Force to Combat Anti Semitism will also

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Speaker 2: now expand our work to fight the rising scourge of

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism on the right, beyond our previous work combating

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Speaker 2: the pro Hamas movement on the left unquote. On November eighteenth,

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Speaker 2: the Task Force will be hosting a conference in Washington

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Speaker 2: on quote exposing and countering extremism and antisemitism on the right,

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Speaker 2: in partnership with the Conference of Christian Presidents for Israel.

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Speaker 2: It could happen here will return After these messages. At

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Speaker 2: this point, Heritage went into complete damage. Roberts apologized during

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Speaker 2: a Heritage All hands meeting last Wednesday, November fifth, quote

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Speaker 2: I made a mistake, and I let you down, and

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Speaker 2: I let down this institution period full stop. Roberts claimed

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Speaker 2: that it was the since resigned Chief of Staff Ryan Neuhause,

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Speaker 2: who wrote the script for Robert's initial video entirely himself

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Speaker 2: and lied about the script being approved by a handful

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Speaker 2: of colleagues. Roberts called the use of the phrase a

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Speaker 2: venomous coalition a quote unquote terrible choice of words. The

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Speaker 2: Washington Free Beacon reported that Roberts said he was willing

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Speaker 2: to resign, but felt a quote unquote moral obligation to

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Speaker 2: repair the situation, and had told the Heritage Foundation board

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Speaker 2: of directors quote I made the mess, let me clean

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Speaker 2: it up.

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Speaker 11: During the all.

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Speaker 2: Hands meeting, Roberts explained that the video came to be

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Speaker 2: because Heritage was under pressure to make a statement that

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Speaker 2: Carlson was quote no law longer part of the conservative movement.

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Speaker 9: Quote.

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Speaker 2: Later in this meeting, Roberts acknowledged that there could be

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Speaker 2: a quote limiting principle to no cancelation. Longtime Heritage research

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Speaker 2: fellow Robert Rector went on a tirade against Tucker and Fuentes,

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Speaker 2: likening Tucker's show to stepping into a lunatic asylum, and

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Speaker 2: advocated for a return of right wing cancelation.

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Speaker 1: Because if you don't have boundaries on who you regard

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Speaker 1: inside the movement, the movement will destroy itself and it

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Speaker 1: will create a pr nightmare for everybody in it. And

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Speaker 1: the boundaries that he set forth William Buckley in the

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Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties were twofold. You have to expunge all

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism.

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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Speaker 1: But that's just part of it from the conservative movement.

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Speaker 1: The other is you have to expel the lunatics. Okay,

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Speaker 1: the lunatics who think that Eisenhower was a communist, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of and we have them back now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: they are both here back just the way they were

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Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, and we have to go back

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Speaker 1: and set the general parameters. You say, oh, we don't cancel,

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Speaker 1: We do cancel. Did we cancel David Duke? Yes, you

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Speaker 1: don't even know who David Duke was. Probably most of you,

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Speaker 1: i'd say, you know, yes, Do we cancel the John

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Speaker 1: Birch Society, Yes, okay, because they were harmful, Because if

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Speaker 1: you're they're in your movement, you look like clowns.

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Speaker 2: This highlights so much of my frustration around this whole

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Speaker 2: controversy with all of these conservatives at the Leopards eating

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Speaker 2: people's faces party trying to say that obviously the leopards

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Speaker 2: who are eating people's faces aren't actually Conservatives. Despite the

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Speaker 2: legal part of the leopards eating people's faces party, Bircherism

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Speaker 2: has achieved a near total capture of the modern day

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Speaker 2: Republican Party, especially under Trump. You can't remove the John

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Speaker 2: Birch Society element from the modern day Republican Party without

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Speaker 2: the whole party collapsing. They won. That's what the party

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Speaker 2: is now. That's what Heritage's project twenty twenty five is.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Roberts responded to Rector's tirade by continuing to advocate

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Speaker 2: that Heritage should attempt to bring some of Wwentes's audience

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Speaker 2: into the conservative fold.

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Speaker 9: There's a segment of that audience who might be with us,

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Speaker 9: and they really are not Nazis and anti Semites, then

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Speaker 9: maybe we can eventually bring them into the fold. I

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Speaker 9: think we have to think that way.

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Speaker 2: None of these people can be allowed to distance themselves

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Speaker 2: from the leopards eating people's faces party. To quote a

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Speaker 2: write up from the right wing rag National Review quote,

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Speaker 2: the Heritage staff meeting exposed something of a generational divide

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Speaker 2: within Heritage, as one staffer who claimed to represent the

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Speaker 2: perspective of the foundation's younger employees, said that she did

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Speaker 2: not have a problem with roberts initial defense of Carlson,

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Speaker 2: and wanted to make sure that the viewpoints of her generation,

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Speaker 2: who she said were generally more critical of Israel, would

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Speaker 2: still be welcome at Heritage. Unquote. The Heritage Tucker Fuentes

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Speaker 2: debacle has come in a time where the right was

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Speaker 2: already in the middle of debate over how to handle

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Speaker 2: infighting conservative anti cancel culture and the newly adopted principle

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Speaker 2: of no enemies to the right after years of suffering

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Speaker 2: from liberal led deplatforming campaigns during the quote unquote woke era.

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Speaker 2: This debate really came to a head last month after

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Speaker 2: the Young Republican pro Hitler racist group chat scandal dropped,

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Speaker 2: which was subsequently brushed off by people like Matt Walsh

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Speaker 2: and Vice president jd Vance, who dismissed the texts, telling

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Speaker 2: people who are concerned about it to quote unquote grow up,

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Speaker 2: while referring to the chat as a college group chat,

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Speaker 2: calling the members kids and young boys, when the group

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Speaker 2: chat in question was made up of men in their thirties.

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Speaker 11: Don't put things on the internet like be careful with

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Speaker 11: what you post if you put something in a group chat,

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Speaker 11: assume that some scumbag is going to leak it in

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Speaker 11: an effort to try to cause you harm or cause

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Speaker 11: your family harm. But the reality is that kids do

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Speaker 11: stupid things, especially young boys. They tell edgy, offensive jokes

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Speaker 11: like that's what kids do. And I really don't want

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Speaker 11: us to grow up in a country where a kid

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Speaker 11: telling a stupid joke, telling a very offensive, stupid joke

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Speaker 11: is caused to ruin their lives. And at some point

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Speaker 11: we're all going to have to say enough of this. Bs.

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Speaker 11: We're not going to allow the worst moment and a

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Speaker 11: twenty one year old's group chat to ruin a kid's

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Speaker 11: life for the rest of time. That's just not okay.

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Speaker 11: Like we live in a digital world. This stuff is

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Speaker 11: now etchtin Stone online. We're all going to have to say,

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Speaker 11: you know what, no, no, no, we're not doing this. We're

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Speaker 11: not canceling kids because they do something stupid in a

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Speaker 11: group chat. And if I have to be the person

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Speaker 11: who carries that message forward, I'm fine with it.

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Speaker 2: To quote Matt Walsh quote I said a few weeks

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Speaker 2: ago that we all need to band together in the

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Speaker 2: wake of Charlie's death, and the answer I got back

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Speaker 2: from a lot of people on the right was basically no, Well, okay,

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Speaker 2: then guys, we'll just lose. Instead, the left will keep

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Speaker 2: the United Front and defend their guys no matter what,

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Speaker 2: while we keep throwing each other to the wolves at

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Speaker 2: every opportunity, great plan. The left actually wants me dead,

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Speaker 2: like specifically and personally. They're the reason why I need

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Speaker 2: security at my house, why I worry for my children's safety.

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Speaker 2: We've had to make major changes to the way we

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Speaker 2: live our daily lives to account for this danger. So

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Speaker 2: when I say that I want to stop the infighting

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Speaker 2: and unite against this threat, that's the context. I'm sorry

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Speaker 2: if the squabbles among right wingers just kind of pale

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Speaker 2: in comparison for me. If you have the luxury to

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Speaker 2: care more about that, I envy you. I truly do.

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Speaker 2: Last week, Megan Kelly interviewed Tucker and Shapiro across a

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Speaker 2: two day event, where she asked both about the possibility

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Speaker 2: of uniting the right.

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Speaker 4: Is there any way that you and Ben Shapiro can

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Speaker 4: actually find your way to deton I'm not against Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 4: He did like a forty minute thing yesterday calling me

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Speaker 4: dangerous and all this stuff. It's like, I didn't watch

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Speaker 4: it because why, but I got a lot of texts

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Speaker 4: about it, and it's like, I'm not I don't think

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Speaker 4: Ben Shapiro is driving a lot of this stuff. I

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Speaker 4: don't consider him like the world's greatest force for evil.

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Speaker 4: I don't feel that way at all. I don't actually

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Speaker 4: think about him ever. So I don't want to have

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Speaker 4: a war with Ben and Shapiro. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: does he really think that me doing an interview in

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Speaker 4: which I explained that anti Semitism is wrong to one

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Speaker 4: of the lead purveyors of anti Semitism, but that somehow

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Speaker 4: makes me a Nazi? Like, what is the argument here?

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask him tomorrow night. No, but I don't even.

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Speaker 4: Understand what the argument is. All I know is that

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Speaker 4: the right, and I've been on the right since before

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Speaker 4: Ben was born, is acting like the left in such

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Speaker 4: an amazingly precise way that I'm like, what the hell

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Speaker 4: is going on?

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Speaker 10: I agree with Tucker that the right is in fact

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Speaker 10: acting life the left by again massaging its radicals in

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Speaker 10: the name of some sort of faux unity. Does that

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Speaker 10: sound dean, because again, I'm not again trying to turn

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Speaker 10: this personal is a mistake.

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Speaker 5: I know, but can it happen?

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Speaker 2: During the fallout of the Tucker Fuentes interview, far right

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Speaker 2: influencer Mike Cernovich said quote, there's a lot of bad

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Speaker 2: faith going on. So this is for those few of

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Speaker 2: you perplexed about the reluctance of mega people to ever

790
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Speaker 2: disavow anyone. We are old and we know it never stops.

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Speaker 2: They will always demand more. Hence we draw a hard line.

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Speaker 2: It's not our job to be Internet cops. After trailblazing

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Speaker 2: this rhetoric for the new Right, now Walsh and Vance

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Speaker 2: find themselves in an uncomfortable position, Walsh due to his

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Speaker 2: employer Ben Shapiro, and Vance because of his future political prospects.

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Speaker 2: In the midst of the fuen Tes controversy, Walsh posted quote,

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Speaker 2: we have a very short window of time where we

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Speaker 2: control Congress and the White House and we have the

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Speaker 2: power to push our agenda forward. We're going to waste

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Speaker 2: this window fighting with each other. We're going to squander everything.

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Speaker 2: I'm furious, Honestly.

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Speaker 6: I have just about had it with Matt Walsh. Matt,

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Speaker 6: you work for this fucking guy whose side are you

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Speaker 6: on already?

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Speaker 3: Cut the shit?

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Speaker 6: Matt Walsh every day on a show, he goes on

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Speaker 6: Twitter in his show and says, this is all just

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Speaker 6: gossip and drama.

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Speaker 3: It ain't gossip and drama. This is the war.

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Speaker 4: Might not be the.

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Speaker 3: One you wanted, but this is the one that's going on.

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Speaker 6: So Walsh wants to refuse himself from this and say, hey, man,

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Speaker 6: I just care about America. Hey fucker, it's happening in

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Speaker 6: America right now. Tucker's an American. Last I checked, this

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Speaker 6: is going on here. We didn't make anti Semitism wedge issue.

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Speaker 6: They did. We didn't make fighting Israel's wars a wedge issue.

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Speaker 6: They did. And Walsh wants to get on Twitter and say,

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Speaker 6: I just don't want to talk about it. I just

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Speaker 6: want to keep taking a paycheck from the worst of

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Speaker 6: the worst. Shapiro, you gotta pick a side, and nobody

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Speaker 6: can let him get away with this. As long as

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Speaker 6: you're America first, you need to be in his reply

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Speaker 6: saying no, Matt, you work for Ben Shapiro.

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Speaker 2: Cock Vance's only statement about this debacle reads quote, the

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Speaker 2: infighting is stupid. I care about my fellow citizens, particularly

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Speaker 2: young Americans, being able to afford a decent life. I

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Speaker 2: care about immigration and our sovereignty, and I care about

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Speaker 2: establishing peace overseas so our resources can be focused at home.

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Speaker 2: If you care about these things too, let's work together.

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Speaker 2: Compare that to Mike Pence sharing an article critical of

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Speaker 2: Fuentez by the Wall Street Journal editorial Board titled the

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Speaker 2: Rights New Anti Semites. Meanwhile, Nick Fuintes is bragging that

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Speaker 2: he has Vance caught in his groper squeeze, threatening to

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Speaker 2: send grapers to twenty twenty eight primary states to disrupt

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Speaker 2: Vince's campaign, much like the groper war of twenty nineteen

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Speaker 2: targeting TPUSA.

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Speaker 6: He's getting squeezed because the groupers are on the one

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Speaker 6: hand saying, hey, listen, fat boy, we want America first.

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Speaker 6: You want to run for president. We want to hear

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Speaker 6: you say America first. And on the other side, he's

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Speaker 6: got his donors and they're saying they're horrible anti Semites.

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Speaker 5: You have to disavow them. You have to forcefully condemn them.

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Speaker 5: Condemned talker, condemn the gropers. Now with Vance, condemns the groupers.

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Speaker 5: We are deploying to Iowa. Raise your right hand, and.

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Speaker 6: I swear I'm gonna move to Iowa and New Hampshire

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Speaker 6: and Nevada and South Carolina and one primary after the next,

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Speaker 6: and we will go to every town hall. We will

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Speaker 6: go to every meet and greet where there's four or

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Speaker 6: five people, and we will be there, and we'll do

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Speaker 6: it for free.

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Speaker 2: Nick has since laid out a more clear three year

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Speaker 2: strategy for his fans to shape the upcoming presidential primary

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Speaker 2: and infiltrate the next Republican White House. In some ways,

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Speaker 2: I think Ted Cruz is right. This has been a

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Speaker 2: time of choosing the only problem is that the choice

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Speaker 2: has already been made. The Fuentes interview is already Tucker

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Speaker 2: Carlson's fourth most popular video ever. Just two weeks after

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Speaker 2: its release. Fuentes's quote tweet of Shapiro's takedown video ratioed

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Speaker 2: Shapiro by one hundred and twenty thousand likes. Fuentes's last

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Speaker 2: ten live streams have had an average viewership of over

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Speaker 2: eight hundred thousand people on Rumble, beating Shapiro's average YouTube

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Speaker 2: of you count by hundreds of thousands. The New York

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Speaker 2: Times has put out seven pieces on Fuentes, both articles

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Speaker 2: and opinion since the Tucker interview, plus other related news

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Speaker 2: stories about Heritage and Tucker, which obviously mentioned Fuentes. Other

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Speaker 2: outlets from The Wall Street Journal to The Washington Post

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Speaker 2: have followed suit. CNN did a five minute and thirty

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Speaker 2: second segment on the followed of the Heritage Tucker fwents

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Speaker 2: situation and what it means for the future of the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party. Cn has since done more segments on the issue,

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Speaker 2: including one with Ben Shapiro. Multiple Fuentes segments have also

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Speaker 2: aired on MSNBC.

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Speaker 12: Here's a sampling for once Donald Trump has remained silent

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Speaker 12: on an issue, as well as Jade Vance, who is

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Speaker 12: reportedly personally close to Carlson. It also has opened up

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Speaker 12: an uncomfortable discussion for the GOP about what place people

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Speaker 12: like Nick Fwent does have within the MAGA movement.

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Speaker 13: And now to the brewing war within MAGA over the

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Speaker 13: future of the American Conservative movement. It comes as far

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Speaker 13: right influencer Nick Fuentes recently recorded a cordial interview at

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Speaker 13: the invitation of Tucker Carlson that more than five million

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Speaker 13: people have viewed the latest op ed in the Los

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Speaker 13: Angeles Times by our next guest, is highlighting this growing

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Speaker 13: division contributing writer Matt Lewis contends that some Trump loyalists

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Speaker 13: are now objecting to maga's quote white power element. Matt

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Speaker 13: joins us Now he's an author, columnist and conservative writer. Matt,

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Speaker 13: the fact that we're even talking about a quote unquote

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Speaker 13: white power element is I think concerning on its face.

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Speaker 13: But this is also something that's persisted within MAGA over

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Speaker 13: the course of the last ten years. I mean, I

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Speaker 13: remember covering when Trump himself had dinner with Nick Fuentes

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Speaker 13: at the invitation of Kanye West just a few years ago,

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Speaker 13: November twenty twenty two at mar A Lago. Why was

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Speaker 13: this not a conversation then? And what's changed now?

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Speaker 14: Look, yeah, I think you're totally right. I mean, part

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Speaker 14: of it is that Donald Trump has actually been a

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Speaker 14: really good friend to Israel.

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Speaker 2: I never thought the leopards would eat my face, sabs

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Speaker 2: conservative columnists who voted for the leopards eating people's faces.

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Speaker 2: Party Even calling Fuentes a quote unquote white power figure

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Speaker 2: shows how outdated and out of touch the talking heads

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Speaker 2: and many journalists are. It's not the eighties anymore. White

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Speaker 2: power What are you talking about? That's not what Fuentes

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Speaker 2: is doing if you can't recognize that you shouldn't be

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Speaker 2: talking about it. These talking heads are completely ill equipped

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Speaker 2: to understand gen Z politics or the black thereof. We

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Speaker 2: saw this in the reporting on Tyler Robinson in the

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Speaker 2: past few mass killing fandom school shooters. Here's MSNBC again.

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Speaker 14: According to some sources at the Heritage Foundation, a lot

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Speaker 14: of their interns something like forty to fifty percent or

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Speaker 14: something agree with Foia, which is really stunning if you

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Speaker 14: were around the conservative movement, let's say, in the George W.

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Speaker 2: Bush era, the fucking George W. Bush era, unbelievable. Nick

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Speaker 2: Fuentes's politically vulgar obscenity is exactly what pushes his clips

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Speaker 2: into people's social media feeds, cutting through the dry neo

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Speaker 2: conservative boomer slop of older Republican content creators. As Trump

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Speaker 2: two point zero continues and MAGA becomes the establishment again,

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be cool to listen to Benny Johnson,

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Speaker 2: whoever's hosting the New Charlie Kirk Show, or Ben Shapiro,

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Speaker 2: to the extent to which listening to any of those

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Speaker 2: is even still cool or counter cultural. Fuentes doesn't have

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Speaker 2: this same problem. He can ride the cultural vibe shift

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Speaker 2: of the twenty twenty four election, and still appeal to

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Speaker 2: the reactionary tendencies of some young men, but is outside

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Speaker 2: enough to continue new benefiting from the gen Z thirst

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Speaker 2: for anti establishment populism. At the end of last month,

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Speaker 2: there was a short article in The Atlantic titled the

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Speaker 2: firewall against Nick Fuentes is crumbling. The white supremacist influencer

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Speaker 2: is entering the MAGA mainstream And yeah, that's correct. The

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Speaker 2: tact agreement against talking about covering or platforming Nick has

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Speaker 2: slowly fallen apart the past few months. Google trends graphs

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Speaker 2: of search popularity has Nick Fuentes high above Tucker Carlson,

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Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro, or Canvas Owens, and considering Nick's newfound fame,

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Speaker 2: he isn't trying to slow down or moderate his views

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Speaker 2: to appeal to a bigger audience, and he doesn't need to.

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Speaker 2: The audience is coming to him to explain why his

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Speaker 2: audience is growing so much. It's not that he's gotten

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Speaker 2: less ideologically dogmatic as of recent it's that the zoomer

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Speaker 2: world has caught up to the anti ideal behind Nick Fuentes.

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Speaker 2: The void of animosity that animates Fuentes, which is underneath

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Speaker 2: his gesturing to relics of tradition and culture to offer

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Speaker 2: a north star through the grievance inspired nihilism he actually embodies.

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Speaker 2: Nick Fuentes is a meme, his clips spread like a meme.

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Speaker 2: His groper movement is named after a meme, and Nick

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Speaker 2: is ready willing and able to seize the spotlight he

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Speaker 2: has been gifted to Nick. This controversy demonstrates that the

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Speaker 2: prestigious Heritage Foundation is territory ripe for groper infiltration.

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Speaker 6: What this signifies is that Heritage, the accreditation institution, the

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Speaker 6: brain the priestly classed. It promulgates the Republican dogma. If

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Speaker 6: that institution says that groperism is up for debate, it's

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Speaker 6: on the table.

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Speaker 3: It's not ca anseled. We should talk about the ideas,

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Speaker 3: and we should.

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Speaker 6: Defend the people that defend the groupers or talked to

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Speaker 6: the groupers. It signifies that one that place is a

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Speaker 6: safe harbor. As I said before, so a grouper could

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Speaker 6: go to work at Heritage and maybe feel welcome and

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Speaker 6: comfortable and he won't be fired. And you might have

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Speaker 6: a grouper at Heritage who is going to be writing

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Speaker 6: a policy paper about who knows foreign policy, education, immigration,

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Speaker 6: They might be considered like an expert, and maybe they'll

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Speaker 6: go on to be a legislative director for a senator,

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Speaker 6: and they might be writing laws for the US government.

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Speaker 6: It's conceivable if the President of Heritage says Tucker is

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Speaker 6: in the Big ten, then that means that Tucker and

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Speaker 6: Nick fwent to sympathizers are allowed to be employed at Heritage,

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Speaker 6: and thus they might be in the position to determine

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Speaker 6: the dogma.

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Speaker 3: They can write the doctrine.

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Speaker 2: Conservative writer Rob Dreer has claimed, based on DC contacts

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Speaker 2: and talking with gen Z staffers, quote, between thirty to

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Speaker 2: forty percent of the Zoomers who work in official Republican

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Speaker 2: Washington are fans of Nick Fuentes unquote, writing that this

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Speaker 2: is emblematic of a generation quote willing to revel in transgression,

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Speaker 2: such as they tear down the pillars of civilization just

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Speaker 2: for the fun of seeing those who have been gate

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Speaker 2: kept away breaching containment. The Groper thing is real. It

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Speaker 2: is not a fringe movement in that it really has

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Speaker 2: infiltrated young conservative Washington networks to a significant degree unquote.

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Speaker 2: After the young Republican racist group chat story dropped. Nick

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Speaker 2: Fuentes said on his show, quote groper's are all over

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Speaker 2: the government, and everyone knows that there's gropers at Harvard.

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Speaker 2: There's grapers in all the Ivy League schools. I talked

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Speaker 2: to all of them. There's grapers in government. There's grapers

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Speaker 2: in every department, every agency unquote. There's no reason to

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Speaker 2: believe Nick is exaggerating. This is something he has advocated

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Speaker 2: his followers do for years, and stories like the Young

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Speaker 2: Republican pro Hitler group chat are evidence of this. Nick

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Speaker 2: Fuentes is mainstream now. Nick Fuentes is a legitimate part

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Speaker 2: of the mainstream conservative movement. Even if he doesn't become

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Speaker 2: the quote unquote successor to his longtime nemesis Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 2: Fuentes is already on course to be the main figure

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Speaker 2: to have gained the most from Kirk's death and emerged advantageous.

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Speaker 2: This has been It could happen here. See you on

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