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Speaker 2: I was on the edge of irreversible organ failure. I
Speaker 2: do have effects that haven't recovered since, and that was
Speaker 2: twenty two years ago.
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Speaker 1: pot is what's so fascinating about it.
Speaker 2: You just went for it, took an X ray. The
Speaker 2: knife was on the edge of the nervousness. It was
Speaker 2: really at that like exact line, when you're out of
Speaker 2: your comfort zone, when you're breaking that, how do you
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Speaker 1: Podcast Jetty Jay Sheddy Rely, Hey everyone, welcome back to
Speaker 1: On Purpose. I am so excited for today because I'm
Speaker 1: getting to sit down with someone that I have loved
Speaker 1: and followed for the past two days, decades. This is
Speaker 1: someone that I grew up watching when I was back
Speaker 1: in London, I'd be wanting to watch every show, everything
Speaker 1: he did. I was addicted and I still am today.
Speaker 1: And this is one of those moments that I look
Speaker 1: back and I'm like my ten year old self. My
Speaker 1: fifteen year old self would be high fiving me so
Speaker 1: bad right now. So I'm so pumped. I'm sitting down
Speaker 1: with the world's most iconic illusionist, endurance artist, and mentalist,
Speaker 1: from death defying stunts to pushing the limits of human potential.
Speaker 1: He spent his career redefining what's possible, and his latest series,
Speaker 1: Do Not Attempt, premiers March twenty third on National Geographic.
Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, David Blaine. David, I get
Speaker 1: to sit down with a lot of cool people. But
Speaker 1: when I heard you were coming on and we made
Speaker 1: this happen, I honestly, I've felt like a kid the
Speaker 1: whole time. You got captivated by a subway trick when
Speaker 1: you were like four years old. That's what kind of
Speaker 1: introduced you into this world. What was that trick?
Speaker 2: It also kept it was a bunch of things. Side
Speaker 2: a friend that one of his relatives gave him a
Speaker 2: trick called Scotch and soda, which is just it's like
Speaker 2: a half dollar changes with English, but anyway, so he
Speaker 2: couldn't figure out how to do it, and immediately I
Speaker 2: understood it and I was able to do it and
Speaker 2: present as a trick. So that that was one thing.
Speaker 2: Another thing was seeing the guys in Coney Island that
Speaker 2: would do sword sawing or rope tricks things like that.
Speaker 2: Then people that were in the subways. I would watch
Speaker 2: the three card Monty guys. So I think it was
Speaker 2: like a constant, you know. For some reason, that's the
Speaker 2: stuff I was most attracted to. And I loved how
Speaker 2: cards fell, you know. So they're almost for me meditative,
Speaker 2: like the way they feel in my hands. It's I think,
Speaker 2: even before I even knew what to do with them,
Speaker 2: I would almost just like meditate because I was holding them.
Speaker 2: So it was really interesting, almost like a digital fixation.
Speaker 2: I just became, I guess, like a security blanket almost,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and then when I realized I could
Speaker 2: make my mother, I could change her day by doing
Speaker 2: a simple magic trick, it was kind of like the
Speaker 2: beginning of my love for performing. And then I would
Speaker 2: only do it for her and her friends and they
Speaker 2: would all react, and that was one part of the journey.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it is seeing little performances, seeing a book
Speaker 2: of Harry Houdini and seeing him chained to the side
Speaker 2: of a building, watching him dangle over the edge of
Speaker 2: a building. So yeah, it's a collective, but it all
Speaker 2: processed early on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when did your mother realize that this was a
Speaker 1: gift and not just a cute kid who could do
Speaker 1: some tricks.
Speaker 2: I could have done anything, and that was the you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, so it was like, oh, my
Speaker 2: son has a get no, but it's like everything I did.
Speaker 1: She was like, that's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's not like I had any special gift. I didn't,
Speaker 2: but I had a mother that believed that I had,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So she encouraged it just
Speaker 2: by being so excited.
Speaker 1: And so you know, yeah, well, I'm having a moment
Speaker 1: now because just before we went on, you showed me
Speaker 1: a video of your daughter performing, and I was thinking
Speaker 1: you were doing the same thing. Like when I saw
Speaker 1: you were watching that video you probably watched a million times.
Speaker 1: By the way, your door is so talented. This it's
Speaker 1: phenomenally talented. I can't wait to see her perform live.
Speaker 1: But you were looking at that video like it was
Speaker 1: the first time you'd seen it, and you were so
Speaker 1: proud as a proud dad showed to me, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you're like mirroring your mom's energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true.
Speaker 1: It's really special. It's amazing to see that. What does
Speaker 1: it feel like to you now when you're watching Decert
Speaker 1: perform and watching.
Speaker 2: Her do anything, I'm like, mind blowing. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: If she draws something, if she writes something, if she
Speaker 2: makes something, whatever she does, it's like.
Speaker 1: I was saying to you, and you walked in today
Speaker 1: that the first time I ever saw you was in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. You were doing your act above
Speaker 1: the below and you were suspended thirty feet up or
Speaker 1: something maybe higher in this box in the middle of London,
Speaker 1: and you were in it for forty four days. You
Speaker 1: survived on like four and a half liters of water
Speaker 1: a day, and I think you lost like sixty pounds
Speaker 1: and I just come wave at you, but you don't
Speaker 1: remember me.
Speaker 2: I remember the good energy. That was something that changed
Speaker 2: everything about the way. I think that one messed up
Speaker 2: my metabolism, which is hence the side effects of it.
Speaker 2: But it was absolutely one of the most beautiful, compelling experiences.
Speaker 2: Aside from that, it was a stunt, and I did
Speaker 2: do it publicly because so I feel like if I
Speaker 2: didn't do this publicly, I could have never committed to
Speaker 2: doing that type of a fast. And I was obsessed
Speaker 2: with fasting because every time I would fast, you become
Speaker 2: aware of everything around you that you normally ignore because
Speaker 2: we spend so much time thinking about, oh what am
Speaker 2: I going to have for breakfast? I'm not going for lunch.
Speaker 2: Who am I going to see? But what are we
Speaker 2: going to do for dinner? And your day is consumed
Speaker 2: by these But as soon as you remove all of that,
Speaker 2: suddenly you have like all this brain activity and it's incredible.
Speaker 2: That's one of the best things for me about fasting
Speaker 2: is that, And every stunt that I'd done was up
Speaker 2: to that point was I fasted just so I wouldn't
Speaker 2: have to use a toilet, right, So for me, the
Speaker 2: fasting was one of the things that I was most
Speaker 2: excited about. So I decided to make it into a
Speaker 2: stunt forty four days, and I knew that the only
Speaker 2: way that I would actually do it is if I
Speaker 2: publicly committed to it. But so even though it was
Speaker 2: difficult and I was suffering, it was one of the
Speaker 2: most beautiful experiences that people I connected with. It was
Speaker 2: like I would get emotional just by like looking at somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, And I could never do something like that again.
Speaker 2: So I think I was on the edge of irreversible
Speaker 2: organ failure or something. I think I did go on
Speaker 2: the threshold. But it's funny because I studied, I studied monks,
Speaker 2: I studied Yogi's I studied all these the hunger strikers,
Speaker 2: I read Bobby Sands, I read all of the books
Speaker 2: about the people that pushed themselves to the edge. And
Speaker 2: some were doing it as a protest, some were doing
Speaker 2: it for enlightenment. But all the things that I read
Speaker 2: about it were kind of similar. It's like, there are
Speaker 2: certain beats, there are certain things that happen. In a
Speaker 2: few days, you'd lose your hunger. But it has to
Speaker 2: be pure water. It has to be nothing but water.
Speaker 2: If you have other things, you keep your metabolism going.
Speaker 2: And I don't recommend it obviously, because I do have
Speaker 2: effects that haven't recovered since. And that was what two
Speaker 2: thousand and three, so it was twenty two years ago.
Speaker 2: But there's like around twenty eight days, it says that
Speaker 2: you suddenly have this pair taste in your mouth. And
Speaker 2: around day twenty eight I started to think that they
Speaker 2: were putting sugar in my water. So I would pour
Speaker 2: the water out to people walking by and I would say,
Speaker 2: could you check? Could you could you tell? Because I
Speaker 2: didn't trust my team. I thought they were like involved
Speaker 2: in keeping me a lot. So I was like, can
Speaker 2: you is there is that sweet? And they go no,
Speaker 2: it's just water, but you can taste it because of
Speaker 2: that paar taste in during starvation. And then then the
Speaker 2: other thing you lose, the hunger. First around a month
Speaker 2: you get that paar taste. But then around like day
Speaker 2: thirty nine, I start to have really strange heart palpitations
Speaker 2: and you start to feel like you're eating your body.
Speaker 2: That's where it starts to become. You start to become
Speaker 2: aware of that pain. But through that pain you find
Speaker 2: this this other thing that's like the most beautiful experience
Speaker 2: that I've ever felt. So it's amazing we were there
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, I mean, but hearing about it from the
Speaker 1: person who actually lived through it is pretty remarkable. And
Speaker 1: I wondered, though, Like one thing I love about you, David,
Speaker 1: is that these are not just tricks or experiments. These
Speaker 1: are things that you research, you read, there's a story
Speaker 1: that inspires it, there's a experiment that happened years ago
Speaker 1: that inspires something you do. These are not just you know,
Speaker 1: manufactured things. Then they're really deep lots of things you're
Speaker 1: fascinated by. How did you start to come across stories,
Speaker 1: ideas images that inspired these tricks? Where did that come from?
Speaker 2: Well, I started fasting. Actually, I read said Arthur by
Speaker 2: Hermas when I was young, I think like eleven twelve
Speaker 2: thirty around around that time, and his character fasts, waits
Speaker 2: and learns how to take control over his mind and body.
Speaker 2: And I was fascinating with that principle. And then I
Speaker 2: would just try to test myself with simple things, you know,
Speaker 2: enduring the cold, holding my breath, things like that. But
Speaker 2: I think it started earlier and then I connected to
Speaker 2: it with that, and then fasting was I wanted to
Speaker 2: bury myself alive. That was a pivotal part that made
Speaker 2: the stunt easy to do, actually, because if you have
Speaker 2: no food, it makes everything easier and you sleep easier.
Speaker 2: Once you ignore the hunger. Once you lose that, then
Speaker 2: your ability to focus. I guess you switch into a
Speaker 2: different survival mode or something.
Speaker 1: You were saying earlier that when you're in the box
Speaker 1: for forty four days it ruined your metabolism. How much
Speaker 1: did you study and know that that was going to
Speaker 1: happen or how much was that a real shock in
Speaker 1: surprise to the system.
Speaker 2: I knew I was going to do some damage, so
Speaker 2: I was prepared for that. I knew that when you
Speaker 2: push your body to that extreme, it's going to take
Speaker 2: a toll. But there's a lot of things I do
Speaker 2: that I know they're going to take a toll, and
Speaker 2: I kind of balance out.
Speaker 1: The risk of it when is it worth it and
Speaker 1: when is it not worth it.
Speaker 2: Now I'm different because I have a daughter, right so
Speaker 2: now I'm more careful about the risk. But I was
Speaker 2: obsessed with the idea of staying awake for I think
Speaker 2: the world record was eleven days, so I was thinking,
Speaker 2: if you go, I think it's like eleven point five,
Speaker 2: six or five, so I don't remember, but that would
Speaker 2: be a million seconds. I got obsessed with this idea
Speaker 2: and I started messing around with it, and I met
Speaker 2: with doctor Dement, who's like the number one sleep expert
Speaker 2: at the time up at Stanford. He was there when
Speaker 2: the record was done at eleven days, and I thought
Speaker 2: I could pull it off, and I started testing it.
Speaker 2: The tests were very difficult, and then as I started
Speaker 2: to really research it and speak to people and look
Speaker 2: into it, it seemed like there is something that you
Speaker 2: could do to your mind where you don't recover, So
Speaker 2: you could tweak your brain and have it not recover.
Speaker 2: So I yeh, that's not worth it. Yeah, losing your
Speaker 2: sight isn't worth it. So when I was in India
Speaker 2: and I was at the Ers festival and the Sufi
Speaker 2: the video, Yeah, when they pull their eyes out, they
Speaker 2: pull their eyes out. It's very very hard to watch.
Speaker 2: But I called my my dear friend, who's who's a
Speaker 2: great optometier, and and I just said, is there any uh?
Speaker 2: How is how does this make sense? You say it
Speaker 2: could be done, but you made degenerate your vision. So
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm not going to mess around with that.
Speaker 2: So there is I Can I pull this off? Or
Speaker 2: am I going to do permanent damage? And it's it's
Speaker 2: studying the past and finding experts and finding people that
Speaker 2: have done things and then and then making a decision
Speaker 2: or I guess it's more like a feeling. And then
Speaker 2: the other thing that I like to do is I
Speaker 2: use like numeric, like I use numbers. So I I'll
Speaker 2: do a test where I test something to like, you know,
Speaker 2: let me get to the halfway point. If I could
Speaker 2: do the halfway point, then I can estimate how much
Speaker 2: more can I tolerate. So that's kind of like if
Speaker 2: I'm in a fast for forty four days, I'll do
Speaker 2: something like a twenty two day fast just to just
Speaker 2: to understand if I can do it, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love how mathematically is for you as well.
Speaker 2: Though, like numbers play key factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love kind of diving into your mind right
Speaker 1: now because I love that process. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: it's also how you transition. But going back to that
Speaker 1: video you just showed me, when everyone sees this in
Speaker 1: the new nat GEO show, that is like, I mean
Speaker 1: I had to look away multiple times, so if anyone
Speaker 1: doesn't know what's going on, it's like this guy's like
Speaker 1: expanding his eye up, but then he's like nearly gouging
Speaker 1: it with like what like a steel rod or something.
Speaker 1: How to even make sure that's disinfect.
Speaker 2: They know, they don't. They don't know because I pushed
Speaker 2: an ice pick through my arm and I put it
Speaker 2: on the I don't know. There wasn't even a table.
Speaker 2: I just put it on. I think I'm a floor
Speaker 2: in India. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he picked it up
Speaker 2: and pushed it right through his spot. Yeah, it's crazy,
Speaker 2: And how are they doing that?
Speaker 1: Like what did you learn from that experience of watching them?
Speaker 1: Like if you had to look away.
Speaker 2: What they're doing. I think it's passed down for generations,
Speaker 2: and I think they know exactly what they're doing. And
Speaker 2: part of it is accepting what you have to do,
Speaker 2: Like there's an acceptance to what they're going to do,
Speaker 2: like a faith right. They know that they can do
Speaker 2: these things. So when they push these things through their body,
Speaker 2: they're just completely at ease, and I think therefore their
Speaker 2: body recovers at a really fast rate because the body
Speaker 2: is incredible. The body can do so many amazing things.
Speaker 2: Through evolution, we've developed these abilities to survive. So one
Speaker 2: that I wasn't prepared for. I was surrounded by doctors
Speaker 2: and I was trying to hold my breath for as
Speaker 2: long as possible. I had to lemetry on me and
Speaker 2: everything else. I was surround by a great group of
Speaker 2: doctors and pulmonary experts and free divers, and I was
Speaker 2: holding I was holding my breath underwater, and at one
Speaker 2: point I wasn't even aware of the time. I didn't
Speaker 2: there was no such thing as time, So I'm holding
Speaker 2: my breath at one point. I think it was once
Speaker 2: I when I was like above eighteen minutes right, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden I'm pulled out of the
Speaker 2: water and it's twenty minutes and two seconds, and I
Speaker 2: was just completely at peace. But they pulled me up
Speaker 2: because my heart rate had dropped to eight beats per minute,
Speaker 2: and in their minds, I'm going to go into cardiac
Speaker 2: arrest and they're not going to be able to recover me.
Speaker 2: But it was the opposite. I went. The body went
Speaker 2: into this strained survival mode, I guess, and it does
Speaker 2: everything it can to conserve all of your energy, shuts
Speaker 2: the brain down because the brain uses oxygen. And again
Speaker 2: I was at like complete peace, and then I was like,
Speaker 2: why did you pull me out?
Speaker 1: But that's like a mind body disconnect. No, Like, isn't
Speaker 1: your mind at peace and your body's going into cardiac arress? Like?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: I don't think it was going into I think it
Speaker 2: was going into survival mode. Right. There's a boy that
Speaker 2: blacked out under an icy river. He was trapped under
Speaker 2: the water and he was there for forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: not breathing. They pulled him out. He fully recovered, no
Speaker 2: brain damage, nothing, And it's the body is capable of
Speaker 2: doing things that we don't even science and doctors don't
Speaker 2: even imagine could be possible. And at the Earth's Festival
Speaker 2: in India, they were all everything that I saw. It
Speaker 2: was overwhelming, but it was still like they were doing
Speaker 2: things that don't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And these are not tricks, that's your point. These are
Speaker 1: not These are like you're saying, it's been passed down
Speaker 1: for generations. These are not slight of hand. This is
Speaker 1: not faking it.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to say, right, you never know. But
Speaker 2: but what I was seeing was it was as real
Speaker 2: as it gets. But then there was one thing that
Speaker 2: didn't make sense. There was one thing that I started
Speaker 2: to think, well, what's the magic?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: So who knows?
Speaker 1: What is that thing?
Speaker 2: I wanted? You know, the guy pushes the thing through
Speaker 2: his neck and it comes in. But then I looked
Speaker 2: carefully and there was no there was no hole. There's
Speaker 2: no blood, no hole, no nothing. So I so then
Speaker 2: I started thinking, like, whoa, so what how is that possible? Right?
Speaker 1: We don't know. No, you don't have an answer, you
Speaker 1: don't figure it out.
Speaker 2: No, but it's funny because I so I wanted to
Speaker 2: go to India first and we started shooting the series
Speaker 2: because the first time I saw somebody combine magic with
Speaker 2: real human in Durrance's feets other than pictures of Boudin
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, was a magician that ate a
Speaker 2: thread and then he pulled the threat out of a stomach.
Speaker 2: And when I saw that, I was like blown away.
Speaker 2: And he wouldn't show anybody else, but he pulled me
Speaker 2: into another He's like, I'll show you, and he showed
Speaker 2: me and I was like whoa. And I thought it
Speaker 2: was crazy how he did it. It's a magic combined
Speaker 2: with doing something that most people wouldn't want to do.
Speaker 2: And when I saw it kind of changed my theory
Speaker 2: on what could be possible. And I think I've always
Speaker 2: had that curiosity of you know, what the human body
Speaker 2: can endure, what we could tolerate what? So I think
Speaker 2: it was some sort of a trigger that led me
Speaker 2: on this journey, which was not just as a magician,
Speaker 2: but what are people doing that? Yeah, and the magicians
Speaker 2: I like the most, like Harry Houdini, Ricky J. Ricky J.
Speaker 2: Wrote a book called Learned Pigs and Fireproof Women, which
Speaker 2: is that kind of guidebook to all of these people
Speaker 2: that were using their bodies to do crazy things well
Speaker 2: their minds and their bodies to do these unbelievable fe.
Speaker 1: When did it turn for you from being magic tricks?
Speaker 1: I used to I grew up watching you chuck cards
Speaker 1: at a car door and it's on the window of
Speaker 1: the inside of the you know the car, or you
Speaker 1: talking about like, oh, you could guess who was calling
Speaker 1: your house, you know when we all had landlines to
Speaker 1: then actually pushing your body to limits, Like where was
Speaker 1: that switch for you?
Speaker 2: I always like things that I believe, right, So it's
Speaker 2: like I was always so if I'm watching a magician,
Speaker 2: I like, if I know that he put tons of
Speaker 2: work into one card move right. When I saw people
Speaker 2: that were doing things that were defied logic, which is
Speaker 2: what magic does, but then I knew that there was
Speaker 2: an element of they are really doing that. I think
Speaker 2: it led me first into the Sawmi mantra, which led
Speaker 2: to the Buried Alive, which then led to me looking
Speaker 2: into all the other things I was excited about, or
Speaker 2: you know, but I would with magicians they would be like,
Speaker 2: you can't what's the magic in it? Like, what's the
Speaker 2: point you have to disappear from the pole in the
Speaker 2: pereum boxes? Yeah, but there's no believability to that I'd
Speaker 2: rather just jump into the box. Well then they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you at least have to just disappear. I was like,
Speaker 2: but then that ruins the whole, Like then it's not
Speaker 2: a real thing. What would they say back, I mean,
Speaker 2: they wouldn't win the argument, But then afterwards they were like,
Speaker 2: all right, I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just the human endurance. Pot is what's so
Speaker 1: fascinating about it. Because I feel like, there's the great
Speaker 1: scene in the new show where you're like literally figuring
Speaker 1: out how to put a knife.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that was great.
Speaker 1: We'll cuss through that because you see the scan as well.
Speaker 2: You know, I'd done nails and the nose and things
Speaker 2: like that because you could hammer and nails, you know,
Speaker 2: back in. But then when I was in the favellum
Speaker 2: Rio in Hosnia, this performer my still Leaves You took
Speaker 2: a serrated steak knife and he just shoved it in
Speaker 2: his nose, just pushed it all the way in. And
Speaker 2: how is that possible? We don't think of that as
Speaker 2: being you know, it seems like you're going to do something,
Speaker 2: you know, to your nervousness. There's something right, he pushes
Speaker 2: it all the way in and pulls it out, does
Speaker 2: it a few times, and of course I'm like, WHOA,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. But obviously my whole theory is like, if
Speaker 2: somebody can do it, it means nobody should do it.
Speaker 2: But it means there's an explanation. There's no, it's not
Speaker 2: a magic thing. It's like, there's an explanation, so it
Speaker 2: means it is possible. So I kind of trusted him
Speaker 2: and just went for it and just pushed the thing in.
Speaker 1: You didn't want to start with anything, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I watched him do it, and I trusted what he
Speaker 2: was saying, and I think I was nobody should do it.
Speaker 2: Actually is it's super super dangerous. Of course I did it,
Speaker 2: but then I wanted to see it, so I took
Speaker 2: an X ray. And then when we took the x ray,
Speaker 2: we saw that the knife was on the edge of
Speaker 2: the nervousness. So it was really at that like exact line,
Speaker 2: you know, But again you're not it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 2: But once again, you know, people have survived lots of
Speaker 2: crazy things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you know how far back to not
Speaker 1: let it go like you were that close on that scat?
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know I. Yeah, and I
Speaker 2: trusted him who has done this so many times. Yeah.
Speaker 1: God, I mean when I see you do this stuff.
Speaker 1: The question I always ask myself when I'm watching you
Speaker 1: is like, is there anything that you're actually scared of?
Speaker 2: Just something happening to my daughter. But by the way,
Speaker 2: but these things when magicians or anybody are telling me,
Speaker 2: oh well, I say, do the card tricks because that's
Speaker 2: the best stuff. That's people like, do not do these
Speaker 2: crazy things that you know, which is why this show
Speaker 2: is called exactly.
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Speaker 1: are there are lots of magicians, illusionist people that have
Speaker 1: died trying to do crazy things like what are they?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is actually funny enough, like the bullet catch
Speaker 2: killed twelve magicians, but they were doing it as a trick,
Speaker 2: and the guy that was doing it for real wasn't
Speaker 2: a magician. He was just catching bullets and a little
Speaker 2: cup in his mouth and he did it hundreds of
Speaker 2: times and he was okay. But twelve magicians that were
Speaker 2: doing it is a trick, that were witching bullets out
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, twelve of them died. And I'm
Speaker 2: not laughing, but twelve of them died doing it as
Speaker 2: a trick.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, what was difference about the guy that
Speaker 1: was actually doing it? What was he doing differently?
Speaker 2: He was catching the bullet and the metal cup in
Speaker 2: his mouth. I think one time it sliced to his cheek,
Speaker 2: but yeah, he pulled it off.
Speaker 1: Would you ever try the bullet cat?
Speaker 2: No? I did it?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yoh, sorry, Yeah I did it.
Speaker 2: I had my best friend. It's funny because I'm looking
Speaker 2: at don't shoot. So my best friend's a magician and
Speaker 2: I saw him shoot a cup far away with a
Speaker 2: baby gun. I was like, will you do the bullet
Speaker 2: catch with me? And somehow I convinced him to do
Speaker 2: it because he didn't want somebody else to mess up
Speaker 2: and he knew he would get the mark, so he
Speaker 2: did it. I caught the bullet. That was kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: But then I wanted to do it again, but I
Speaker 2: didn't want to have anybody shoot me because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to make anybody that uncomfort. So I put a
Speaker 2: string on the trigger of a rifle, a twenty two
Speaker 2: long bullet, and I pulled the string and caught it
Speaker 2: in that metal cup. Another thing nobody should ever do.
Speaker 1: So you were saying, no one should apart from you
Speaker 1: putting yourself at risk, Ideally nothing else should get hurt
Speaker 1: during the trip.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, that's right. And I do
Speaker 2: tricks with frogs and things like that. I've never injured
Speaker 2: a frog. They're my daughter's pet frogs. I've kept them
Speaker 2: for years. They've been with us, and then I give
Speaker 2: them to somebody. That's when they get too big. Then
Speaker 2: I give them to somebody that's gonna care for them.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so so my doctor's kids now have these
Speaker 2: giant frogs and by the way, they try to hold them,
Speaker 2: and the frogs won't let anybody. Nobody can pick them up.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't seen the frog in like a year
Speaker 2: or something, and I came to his house and they
Speaker 2: were filming it and I put my hand in and
Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. The frog walked right onto my hand
Speaker 2: and I lifted it up and he just sat there.
Speaker 2: We underestimate these creatures, right, but there's some sort of
Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, yeah, that was whatever it is, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is crazy.
Speaker 1: You are so right. We really do downplay the intelligence,
Speaker 1: especially of animals. Yeah, but even humans but yau, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we don't recognize it. And the body, Yeah, and the body,
Speaker 1: that's right. Do you think it's interesting how the world's
Speaker 1: we've focused on becoming more comfortable. What do you think
Speaker 1: that's doing to us?
Speaker 2: That's right, that's good because I agree that that being
Speaker 2: comfortable for me, I think is always the worst thing. Ever,
Speaker 2: when you're comfortable, you achieve nothing, you learn, nothing, you do.
Speaker 2: So it's like when you're out of your comfort zone,
Speaker 2: when you're breaking that, it's like that's when everything becomes
Speaker 2: intense and we're alive, right, And that's probably what you
Speaker 2: experienced when you took yourself out of your comfort zone
Speaker 2: and live with this incredible monk is then suddenly you're
Speaker 2: living in the moment. You're living in this heightened sense
Speaker 2: of awareness and that's all from breaking the comfort zone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so interesting because you're so right, like
Speaker 1: we just we all naturally though, And that's what you
Speaker 1: were saying when you were talking about the guy earlier
Speaker 1: who nearly gouged his eye out something that you said,
Speaker 1: which is so subtle but so powerful. You were like,
Speaker 1: but when he's doing it, his body's not repelling it,
Speaker 1: and that's why somehow it works out. And I was
Speaker 1: thinking about it that everything you do defies what we
Speaker 1: want to do because we're looking for comfort. But it's like,
Speaker 1: how do you prep yourself to actually want discomfort? Like,
Speaker 1: how do we prepare our minds and brains to actually
Speaker 1: seek out discomfort? Because just as you said, it's actually
Speaker 1: better for us, even for survival, even for growth of
Speaker 1: the species, But we don't. We kind of go backwards
Speaker 1: into reclining, Netflix and chill. That's the life. Yeah, how
Speaker 1: do you get out of that? What have you done
Speaker 1: to continuously? Well?
Speaker 2: This series did that. When they were asking me what
Speaker 2: I wanted to do, I said, here's the thing. So
Speaker 2: we're talking about lots of ideas. Doug, my magician friend
Speaker 2: that was here, he's the one that found d Pak
Speaker 2: you know that in India, that did the most incredible
Speaker 2: stuff I've ever mind blowing, just the way he is
Speaker 2: able to override his body with his mind. But basically,
Speaker 2: when they were coming to me with this idea, oh,
Speaker 2: this one, that one. I said, here's the thing only
Speaker 2: present to me, the ideas that when you tell me
Speaker 2: about them, it makes you uncomfortable just saying that we're
Speaker 2: going to go be a part of You know, I
Speaker 2: wanted it to be. I wanted to be that. And
Speaker 2: I think that's a big thing that I'd like to
Speaker 2: do is put myself in major discomfort so I can.
Speaker 2: So it wakes me up, you know, it brings me
Speaker 2: to life.
Speaker 1: How did you train yourself to get then to do that?
Speaker 1: Because I want to help people most who was sitting
Speaker 1: here going you know what? I agree with David like,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go and you know, put a
Speaker 1: knife down my nose, which he's not encouraging me either,
Speaker 1: But I want to be able to push the boundaries
Speaker 1: in my own growth, in my own life. How did
Speaker 1: you kind of you've gone to the full extreme of it.
Speaker 1: How do we kind of get to three out ten?
Speaker 2: I think it starts with baby steps. I think you
Speaker 2: just go push yourself to do pub speak in front
Speaker 2: of a classroom public. You know, I was super intimidated
Speaker 2: by public speaking and I could do magic, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't I was like, I'm not going to speak, so
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted my brother to go to the
Speaker 2: TED conference, so I agreed to like stand up and
Speaker 2: speak for the first time with Nomad, just just do
Speaker 2: a talk. And it was it was horrific for me.
Speaker 2: It was like it was and I didn't sleep for
Speaker 2: days on end before it, but also months before I
Speaker 2: was working on the notes, writing it down, putting all
Speaker 2: the thoughts on, and that part of it was already
Speaker 2: incredible because then you're like it, but then I had
Speaker 2: to get up and do it, and that was really
Speaker 2: that was like. But then as soon as you start
Speaker 2: and I put myself in the boiling speaking at TED
Speaker 2: for your first time, I didn't go do little talks.
Speaker 2: I started there right, So it's like, by by doing that,
Speaker 2: suddenly I shocked the system. And now I went on
Speaker 2: a speaking tour for like a year. I would do
Speaker 2: dates in all different noises, and what I would do
Speaker 2: is I would I wouldn't thoroughly prepare. I would kind
Speaker 2: of just go out there and put myself in front
Speaker 2: of everybody, and I would say often it was uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: and often it didn't work, and often the audience didn't
Speaker 2: react you know what I mean. It was like one
Speaker 2: of the But eventually, after doing it over and over
Speaker 2: and over and over and over, it really helped and
Speaker 2: I really understood it changed the way I thought about
Speaker 2: public speaking. But what it really did is it helped
Speaker 2: me when I was doing magic because now I had like,
Speaker 2: now the magic was a conversation. The point of breaking
Speaker 2: your comfort zone. It could be anything. It could be
Speaker 2: get up and do a talk. It could be, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, go out, sit in the sauna, go in
Speaker 2: the steam.
Speaker 1: Room, jump in to Copeland.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it's baby steps that can help
Speaker 2: you kind of figure out how to do something, but
Speaker 2: it could be to anything.
Speaker 1: I love how giving a TED talk is harder for.
Speaker 2: You than like, way harder. I love that it was
Speaker 2: way harder. Given the TED talk for me was probably
Speaker 2: more difficult than holding my breath for.
Speaker 1: The twenty minutes two seconds.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that talk, by the way, is when you
Speaker 2: watch it down, it's it's exactly the length of my
Speaker 2: actual breatholder two. No, it just worked out that way.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. Twenty oh two was the actual breath all
Speaker 2: the time, and the talk when you time it out
Speaker 2: was I think it was almost twenty oh two.
Speaker 1: Well, and that was hard for me.
Speaker 2: The talk was more uncomfortable, more difficult than the breath all.
Speaker 1: I mean, holding your breath for twenty minutes and two
Speaker 1: seconds is insanity.
Speaker 2: Well, now the record's twenty four minutes and three seconds.
Speaker 1: You're going to go back.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's safe at this point. That's what
Speaker 2: you were saying. It's like you push yourself too far.
Speaker 2: You can, you can, you could do not just irreversible
Speaker 2: day it might be like game over. And I'm paranoid
Speaker 2: about that stuff because one of my favorite magicians, Harry Houdini,
Speaker 2: he was punching his stomach hypothetically, or he had a
Speaker 2: ruptured to pen, whatever he had, he shouldn't have done
Speaker 2: his stage show. He was feeling ill, he was in
Speaker 2: lots of pain, but he didn't want to let the
Speaker 2: audience down. Went in the show, He did his whole show,
Speaker 2: got in the water tank. After the water tank, when
Speaker 2: he came out, he collapsed on the stage. They rushed
Speaker 2: into a hospitle and he died. So I do think
Speaker 2: there's a limit to what the body can endure. And
Speaker 2: things go wrong very easily and you're not prepared for them.
Speaker 2: So there is a balance to all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, you had that crazy fall at your Vegas show
Speaker 1: right like a couple of years.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I feel like I got lucky because just
Speaker 2: my arm, my shoulder went down to my armpit. That
Speaker 2: was terrible, but I mean it could have been my
Speaker 2: neck back. So my Vegas show I wanted to by
Speaker 2: I put a light light truss all the way up
Speaker 2: and it was shaky and things which I thought would
Speaker 2: be funny, and I climbed up and in the beginning,
Speaker 2: I think I was jumping like sixty eight feet sixty
Speaker 2: eight feet, and I put cardboard boxes down where the
Speaker 2: seats were and I would jump down into the boxes.
Speaker 2: But I was doing three shows per month, which is
Speaker 2: like the max that I could even tolerate. But my
Speaker 2: stunt guy, Jim Churchan, was helping put that together. He's like,
Speaker 2: we gotta be careful because it's about twenty jess a
Speaker 2: force and you can't keep doing this over and over.
Speaker 2: You're getting something's gonna go wrong.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: For some reason, I figured I could pull it off,
Speaker 2: and I kept increasing the height because I started with
Speaker 2: the idea of like, Okay, I'm gonna go up and
Speaker 2: then I would then I would like be like, but wait,
Speaker 2: can I go like, I don't know. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to keep pushing it right, So I don't know what
Speaker 2: the reason. I should have just been content there, but
Speaker 2: I'm never content, so I'm like, I have to higher higher,
Speaker 2: and right when I got my head next to the ceiling,
Speaker 2: I jumped. And it was after I was, you know,
Speaker 2: in Thailand, and I had a swarm of bees covering
Speaker 2: me and I was took a bunch of stungs. I
Speaker 2: was stung all over a bunch of things. I was
Speaker 2: stung all over the place I had to go on.
Speaker 2: I think I had to take antibaque. So I wasn't
Speaker 2: probably one hundred percent when I did that jump. I
Speaker 2: did the jump, and I don't know what it was.
Speaker 2: I didn't land right or my body was like there
Speaker 2: and that happened. But then I'm I think about it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, I was lucky because that could have
Speaker 2: been anything. But yeah, that so that was the end
Speaker 2: of that in the show. It's never recovered properly. But nuts,
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not a big no. That's not like
Speaker 2: the box in London, which is you know major.
Speaker 1: You feel like you're still recovering from that.
Speaker 2: From the London Then it messed me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, irreversibly, you feel like probably on some level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's other things I do that messed me up.
Speaker 2: Like I used to drink kerosene, which I would float
Speaker 2: on top of the water and my stomach terrible idea.
Speaker 2: Eating the glass is really bad because there's also chemicals
Speaker 2: in that glass and stuff like that, so aside from
Speaker 2: the enamel and everything going away on your teeth. So
Speaker 2: I never experienced hot and cold without such extreme ah, right,
Speaker 2: So and then there's tons of little injuries, but the
Speaker 2: ones that I'm most concerned with are those ones now
Speaker 2: much more careful on some level because I have a daughter,
Speaker 2: So I don't want something. You know, you think about
Speaker 2: life differently and how you're going to push yourself differently
Speaker 2: and what you can and can't do. Yeah, the London box.
Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever do something like that again, did.
Speaker 1: It change from the moment you held your do it
Speaker 1: like when she was born? Like?
Speaker 2: Not right when she was When she was born was
Speaker 2: like the most incredible moment of my life. But I
Speaker 2: still when she was like one and a half, I
Speaker 2: still I did a stunt I was in, you know,
Speaker 2: a million volts of electricity, and it went wrong. My
Speaker 2: legs swelled up from a dima ripped through the chain.
Speaker 2: I was getting shocked. I spit some elect light water
Speaker 2: out and it hit the coil and went inside and
Speaker 2: really messed me up. So at the end of that stunt,
Speaker 2: which was seventy three hours, I said, I'm not going
Speaker 2: to do any of these things anymore because I don't
Speaker 2: want something to go wrong. I have a daughter.
Speaker 1: But when I was saying is there anything you're scared of?
Speaker 1: You just mentioned something happening to your daughter that it's
Speaker 1: very real.
Speaker 2: When she she stretches and she goes into splits and
Speaker 2: things that when I'm watching hers, it's so painful for me.
Speaker 1: To while imagine how she feels when you're putting a
Speaker 1: knife through your nurse.
Speaker 2: Then I talked to her and I'm very care Yeah.
Speaker 1: How does she react when she sees this?
Speaker 2: Well, she's grown up with it, so she's I think
Speaker 2: she's like, even though it seems super crazy, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: after really trust the person that's showing me, the teacher,
Speaker 2: and you know, the learning curve for that series was short,
Speaker 2: but these are masters that have done the countless thousands
Speaker 2: of hours of work, and some secrets were passed down
Speaker 2: to them, some they've developed on their own. It is
Speaker 2: a matter of trust. And then this series, I was
Speaker 2: very careful, even though it looks like there's so many crazy,
Speaker 2: you know, things that I'm trying, or certain things like
Speaker 2: sitting with the black mambas. It was an enclosure this
Speaker 2: size of just like this space and there are six
Speaker 2: black mambas in there. But the thing is, and I
Speaker 2: was with this man named Neville, South Africa, man that
Speaker 2: wants to show people that you don't need to when
Speaker 2: you see a black number because they end up in schools,
Speaker 2: they end up killing people, and it's because people react
Speaker 2: to them and they try to push them over there,
Speaker 2: and as soon as you do that, the black mamber
Speaker 2: reacts back. So he sits with the mambas at peace,
Speaker 2: and he's showing everybody that if you encounter a black mamba,
Speaker 2: the best thing to do is to not be aggressive,
Speaker 2: not act in a way that makes it uncome, just
Speaker 2: be at peace and just stay very calm. They're very
Speaker 2: instinctual like most animals like you. If there's some people
Speaker 2: that go into a into a house and there's cats
Speaker 2: that won't come out, and the cats come out with
Speaker 2: some people and they go near them, right, And it's
Speaker 2: just because that person has thissch energy this like this
Speaker 2: stillness or whatever that makes the cat comfortable. And what
Speaker 2: his point is is it's the same with the with
Speaker 2: these feared black mambas. You just remain calm. So I
Speaker 2: trusted him. It was the scariest thing I've ever done
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. This is the one, oh yeah, absolutely
Speaker 2: scariest thing I've ever done. And it doesn't look like
Speaker 2: it is like when you watch it, you won't understand that.
Speaker 2: And afrigat they call it the two step, so you
Speaker 2: get one step and the second step and you're done.
Speaker 2: But sitting there with them, even though I was like,
Speaker 2: I knew I had to just follow it exactly what
Speaker 2: he said, and I observed first, I watched him for
Speaker 2: a few days and I realized he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2: He believes in everything that he's saying. And I sat
Speaker 2: with him in there and then and then when one
Speaker 2: started to come towards you know, when it was close,
Speaker 2: he said, uh, you know, he said, don't worry if
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, I'll take the hit. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to go. I think, can I
Speaker 2: get out of here?
Speaker 1: Can I go?
Speaker 2: And He's like, nope, because you can't leave until until
Speaker 2: it's what. You can't do any abrupt movement. So that
Speaker 2: was the craziest thing I've ever done in my life.
Speaker 1: You've got really close to it as well, didn't get really.
Speaker 2: Close, but again I trusted. I trusted him completely.
Speaker 1: How does someone like him build that skill without dying
Speaker 1: in the process.
Speaker 2: Well, he was bitting a few times, so he did
Speaker 2: go into a cooma once. He had a snake snake
Speaker 2: related injury where he lost his legs. He has one
Speaker 2: leg and he still does it. Yeah, and he sits
Speaker 2: with them, so people will come and see him and
Speaker 2: know that if they've seen this. It kind of gets
Speaker 2: a point across, like if you see a guy sitting
Speaker 2: in a small room like this with a bunch of
Speaker 2: black mambas, you realize, Okay, so if a black mama
Speaker 2: does come into our school or to our house or wherever,
Speaker 2: you can just stay at peace, stay calm on some level.
Speaker 2: So he's protecting the people and the mambas.
Speaker 1: And there's no way of training a mamba, so no, yeah.
Speaker 2: And these are wild, these are rescues. He keeps them
Speaker 2: and then releases them back.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, you know, yeah, I mean just listening
Speaker 1: to that and you say, it's the hardest thing, craziest
Speaker 1: you've ever done.
Speaker 2: Not hard, but the scariest, scariest. It wasn't hard. It
Speaker 2: was the opposite of heart. It's just all you have
Speaker 2: to do is just sit still. Yeah, but you have
Speaker 2: to stay still and you have to be you have
Speaker 2: to be at ease.
Speaker 1: Did you have to prepare that before you went in?
Speaker 2: Oh, I look like I'm about to like run to
Speaker 2: the bathroom the whole time.
Speaker 1: I think all of us, I think us would get
Speaker 1: in there. There's there's an interesting thing about animals in
Speaker 1: that way, isn't there. There's my mon teacher who spend
Speaker 1: time in when he traveled, would live in the forests
Speaker 1: and things like that back in the day, and he
Speaker 1: would always talk about how animals see whether you respect
Speaker 1: them or whether you fear them. And he would talk
Speaker 1: about that every time he saw an animal. It was
Speaker 1: like he'd have to bow down to the animal in
Speaker 1: his heart and mind, and and if he was to
Speaker 1: do that, then the animal would know that that wasn't
Speaker 1: a threat or there wasn't any fear, and then that
Speaker 1: would be what created a sense of peace, that if
Speaker 1: he could bow down and show respect, because yeah, we
Speaker 1: we think we have to dominate and like show them
Speaker 1: and then they'll run away.
Speaker 2: But it depends some you have to so it varies
Speaker 2: some you have to show that you're not afraid and
Speaker 2: that you're strong and you're not going to be an
Speaker 2: easy target. Or they say with sharks, what you have
Speaker 2: to do is if you're with the bun, if you're
Speaker 2: around bull sharks and the usher whatever, you just look
Speaker 2: at them and keep looking because they don't want to challenge.
Speaker 2: They're so evolved, they don't want to have to waste
Speaker 2: any energy. They're so perfect they can serve energy in
Speaker 2: the most efficient way. So if you're looking at it,
Speaker 2: it knows that it would it may get a fight back.
Speaker 2: But if you're not looking, then.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, wow, think about energy.
Speaker 2: But he sits in there for hours and when I
Speaker 2: met him, he was just sitting with the forest cobra,
Speaker 2: another snake that could easily kill you, but he's just
Speaker 2: like drinking his coffee. So yeah, he was amazing.
Speaker 1: Wow, And as he got to a place of fearlessness,
Speaker 1: Like would he say that he feels fearless or no,
Speaker 1: he feels no.
Speaker 2: I think no. I think he respects and loves these snakes.
Speaker 2: He thinks they're beautiful and incredible. So it's not yet
Speaker 2: sure he's fearless with that specifically, Yeah, but I think
Speaker 2: it's more like he has a just such a deep
Speaker 2: respectful or like you said, like you know, bowing down
Speaker 2: to Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 1: I mean, even listening to you though, there's such a
Speaker 1: respect for your craft and art. Like the number of
Speaker 1: times in this conversation you've always already said like I
Speaker 1: trusted the teacher, I trusted Neville, trusted Deepak, Like there's
Speaker 1: such a respect for mentors and trust for teachers and guides,
Speaker 1: and there's such a respect for the art and craft.
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, as today we kind of
Speaker 1: make everything today just feel like entertainment, and even when
Speaker 1: people have talents, it's kind of just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: everyone's got talents now, but it's like, actually, for you,
Speaker 1: it's a respect and study of the craft.
Speaker 2: I think it's the same when you met the monk,
Speaker 2: you immediately felt his knowledge and his faith and his
Speaker 2: beliefs and his discipline, his wisdom, right, And I think
Speaker 2: with the people I've met, all of them, I felt
Speaker 2: that and as soon as I felt that, I was
Speaker 2: okay to try things. So I think lots of it
Speaker 2: has to do it just trusting the person and their
Speaker 2: abilities and their understanding of what they're doing, and then
Speaker 2: and then from that it's a leap of faith.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful to think about what you do that way,
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people can kind of
Speaker 1: project it as like, oh, well, David's figured it out,
Speaker 1: but it's actually like, no, you're willing to submit yourself
Speaker 1: and study and become a beginner again, right, a mindset.
Speaker 2: That's right, And that's that's the part that's like breaking
Speaker 2: the comfort zone is is trying something you haven't done,
Speaker 2: trying something new, pushing yourself in a way that you're uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: and working diligently and loving failure.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: The failure is like, it's that's okay, The failure is amazing.
Speaker 2: When you're performing magic, it's the failures that you learn from. Right.
Speaker 2: It's like you're performing a card trick and you fail, Well,
Speaker 2: that's where you learn and you're constantly learning. That's what's
Speaker 2: amazing about being a magicians. There's a constant learning curve
Speaker 2: and it never stops. You're always actic singer, always, even
Speaker 2: if it's the same trick that you've worked on for
Speaker 2: for me thirty years, some of them forty, whatever it is,
Speaker 2: and I'm still changing, I'm still learning, and that that's
Speaker 2: for me the exciting part of everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're constantly going from becoming the expert, going back
Speaker 1: to the beginner, become an expert. That cycle doesn't.
Speaker 2: Stop, right, and therefore you're never an expert, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I love that. What's the illusion
Speaker 1: that kept you up the most nights before you've done it,
Speaker 1: that you've had sleepless nights over as you prepare or
Speaker 1: get ready for it.
Speaker 2: Probably kissing the King Kobra, just because I understood that
Speaker 2: the risk was it was you know, I understood the risk,
Speaker 2: So that one I was that took me a long
Speaker 2: time to mentally prepare for that one took me a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: How many times had you been in the pen before
Speaker 1: you did that one? Or was that in that time
Speaker 1: that night? No?
Speaker 2: No, I know I took time on that one. I
Speaker 2: wasn't ready so I left came back months later. I
Speaker 2: tried to understand the behavior of the King Kobra. I
Speaker 2: met with my friends that had King Kobra's that undersea.
Speaker 2: I mean that one was a pretty intense learning curve
Speaker 2: because you know, they strike fast and yeah, if it
Speaker 2: gets you, you know, So that I think of everything
Speaker 2: I've done, that that might have been the most intimidating one.
Speaker 1: Probably I think that's very legitimate kissing a King Kobra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all of the stunts, all the other things
Speaker 2: that I've done, there was no real immediate risk of death. Yes,
Speaker 2: something could go wrong, but there's not a this is
Speaker 2: a lights out situation, where with the King Kobra, I
Speaker 2: understood the risk was great. So I wanted to know
Speaker 2: that I had the ability to get out of the
Speaker 2: way and that I could understand its movements and its timing.
Speaker 1: And are you scared of dying?
Speaker 2: I'm not a r of dying, but I understand. You know,
Speaker 2: my mother died in my arm. Some I don't. And
Speaker 2: the last word she said to me is God is love.
Speaker 2: But since having a daughter, it's like you want to
Speaker 2: live for as long as possible. But previous to having
Speaker 2: a daughter, I didn't even I was like, yeah, just
Speaker 2: whatever now because of my daughter, I want to not
Speaker 2: either do something.
Speaker 1: It's like, oo, what was it like losing your mother?
Speaker 1: So sorry for your lost.
Speaker 2: She got sick when I was sixteen. She died when
Speaker 2: I was twenty. She was a warrior through it and
Speaker 2: a peaceful warrior. When she died, I felt like I
Speaker 2: felt like my body was like a tree and it
Speaker 2: was like the bran, one big branch of a trig
Speaker 2: or something, and it went like that. It was like
Speaker 2: an immediate like broken you know. It was like I
Speaker 2: never want to feel that type of pain again. It
Speaker 2: was it was it was like literally like I felt
Speaker 2: like like something broke in half. So that was that
Speaker 2: was good. And I was so close to my mother
Speaker 2: was she was my best friend, she was my world.
Speaker 2: But then what started to happen was I started to
Speaker 2: find there was like messages by the way, whenever I
Speaker 2: did stunts. I'm not even kidding, she would always like
Speaker 2: I would get a sign from her, and those signs
Speaker 2: would make me know I was going to be okay.
Speaker 2: It was when I was buried alive. It sounds crazy,
Speaker 2: but like you just the I think the energy is
Speaker 2: always there, right, So I was buried alive and I
Speaker 2: was like it was all cloudy and I was like, mom,
Speaker 2: can you give me a sign? And right when I
Speaker 2: said it, I'm not even kidding, it was like the
Speaker 2: clouds opened and the sun came through. It was like
Speaker 2: an immediate thing. When I was in the box in
Speaker 2: London forty four days day forty, I was having these
Speaker 2: terrible heart palpitations, like I mean no, but I thought
Speaker 2: I was going to die or something, right, and I
Speaker 2: and I went in my head again. Bob gave me aside,
Speaker 2: like you know, what should I do? And at that
Speaker 2: exact moment, you know, I could see the tower Bridge
Speaker 2: over there, and this is day forty. I had to
Speaker 2: go to day forty four and there was a bunch
Speaker 2: of people yelling, you know, from from the tower bridge
Speaker 2: and I look over and I'm not even kidding. Right
Speaker 2: when I said that, they open up this banner that
Speaker 2: they made and it just said God is Love and
Speaker 2: exactly and that word yes. So it was like it's
Speaker 2: like the energy is just there and she so so
Speaker 2: basically when she wasn't there, she was, she's even more.
Speaker 2: You know, It's like her presence became so strong.
Speaker 1: That's sowerful. Yeah, that's really special.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you look for her and I don't need to? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah, yeah, I didn't think of that, but yeah.
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of experiences recently. I was officiating
Speaker 1: a wedding not last Christmas, the Christmas before December before,
Speaker 1: and the couple that I had introduced had met through
Speaker 1: meditations that I had led for them, and so I
Speaker 1: was leading a meditation for their wedding ceremony because they
Speaker 1: I'd asked for it, And so me and the couple
Speaker 1: closed their eyes during that period, but the rest of
Speaker 1: the audience I think some of them probably joined in.
Speaker 1: Some people don't want to join it, so they didn't
Speaker 1: join it. And it was amazing because we were Interulom
Speaker 1: in Mexico and this I had my eyes closed, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but this huge blue butterfly flew from
Speaker 1: between the couple and then flew throughout the whole audience,
Speaker 1: and for those who had their eyes open sore, and
Speaker 1: for most of us who had our eyes closed, we
Speaker 1: didn't see it. And then we found out later on
Speaker 1: that the lady who's getting married, she has a blue
Speaker 1: butterfly on her neck. Because it represents her father who
Speaker 1: is passed on and we didn't see it because we
Speaker 1: had a rise towards meditation, but beautifully just and there's
Speaker 1: just one barfly. No one really saw it. And it's
Speaker 1: just I love things like that when people have such
Speaker 1: a strong semblance to signs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are signs everywhere if you pay attention to them,
Speaker 2: if you look for them, if you're open to them,
Speaker 2: and it's easy to block off from all that stuff,
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, if you open to it, it's everywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I love about the way you think
Speaker 1: about it, because I think there's a lot of illusionists
Speaker 1: in the world who almost see illusion as a way
Speaker 1: of saying there are no there is no mysticism in
Speaker 1: the world. There's a lot of illusionists wh will say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I can explain everything. It kind of proves that
Speaker 1: there is no right other worldly, supernatural or mystic or
Speaker 1: whatever language you want to use for it.
Speaker 2: But you seem to have somewhat of a well, it's yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's more about like being open to it.
Speaker 2: So if you're open to it, you'll you'll find it
Speaker 2: because that's what you're looking for, right, But if you're like,
Speaker 2: then you won't. And it's like, I feel like the
Speaker 2: better approach is to be open to it so you
Speaker 2: can experience these incredible things.
Speaker 1: You know, what's one of the most amazing things you've
Speaker 1: experienced by being open?
Speaker 2: No, I mean just by being just like, you know,
Speaker 2: watching my daughter just grow and you know that's the
Speaker 2: most amazing and watching who she becomes. And you say that,
Speaker 2: but yeah, when you need those signs, if you're open
Speaker 2: to it, they'll be there. And if you're close to it,
Speaker 2: you'll never see them because you're like, nah, you know what.
Speaker 2: I kept writing my journal when I was in the
Speaker 2: box of ourvideos. That's the only thing I really brought
Speaker 2: was no toothbrush, no nothing. But I had a journal
Speaker 2: and a couple of pens, and I kept writing. Everything
Speaker 2: is perspective. Everything is how you decide to see. Because
Speaker 2: people kept saying, are you bored in the box, I'm like, boredom?
Speaker 2: Is it choice? Like you choose to be bored because
Speaker 2: your mind has so many things that can think about, create, do, wonder,
Speaker 2: dream everything. So it's like, so, so those two things
Speaker 2: are the things that that are all over that journal.
Speaker 2: Everything is perspective and bored him is a choice. And
Speaker 2: then there was a lot of numbers and mapping out
Speaker 2: like the amount of time and graphs and but those
Speaker 2: were two of the very strong prominent thoughts of what
Speaker 2: I learned and became very clear to me during that
Speaker 2: forty four day fast. It opened me up to so
Speaker 2: many thoughts, and it was like this clarity that that
Speaker 2: I that I never get because there's very few distracts,
Speaker 2: no phone, no this, no that, no food, no distractions really,
Speaker 2: so you suddenly you become hyper aware, like you're it's
Speaker 2: like a heightened sense of awareness and everything becomes intense
Speaker 2: and beautiful, and which is probably what you were doing
Speaker 2: for the three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it earlier, Like you start
Speaker 1: realizing that this guy is not just blue. There's so
Speaker 1: many different variations that not every leaf you see is green.
Speaker 1: There's so many variations. But if you look on an
Speaker 1: average day, it's like, oh, this guy's blue, the trees
Speaker 1: are green, Like we have this we kind of have
Speaker 1: this almost veneer or this lens we put on everything
Speaker 1: which makes it all the same. And you look at
Speaker 1: that in society too, where like you go down most
Speaker 1: city centers, every shop is the same. We see the
Speaker 1: same coffee shop. Everywhere you see the same like, you know,
Speaker 1: we homogenize everything in the world. Yeah, and there's a
Speaker 1: sense of comfort. There's a sense of comfort when you
Speaker 1: see I remember my friend was given us a tour
Speaker 1: of Oxford. He was studying at Oxford University, and he
Speaker 1: was going around. He was saying, this is where Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings was written, and this is where Alice
Speaker 1: in Wonderland was written. He was giving me this and
Speaker 1: me and him were like loving this. And we were
Speaker 1: with someone and then we walked into the town center
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh my god, there's an urban
Speaker 1: outfits here. It's like the clothes store. And we're all like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? But it's like for them,
Speaker 1: that was a sense of comfort. Yeah. I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like this is what Alice in Wonderland
Speaker 1: has written.
Speaker 2: Everything is perspective and that person maybe just as excited
Speaker 2: about that as this person is about this, which is
Speaker 2: amazing and it's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, who have you met or what have
Speaker 1: you done that is just shifted your perspective the most
Speaker 1: in the last few decades. Is this a person you met,
Speaker 1: a place you went to.
Speaker 2: That just I mean there's so many it's just a
Speaker 2: well books books or that's like a big one, right,
Speaker 2: and just books just you know. I think like what
Speaker 2: books do to the mind is identical to what exercise
Speaker 2: and does for the body. That's the main problem with
Speaker 2: the phones is it's really taken away, Like my ability
Speaker 2: to just read a book has changed because I'm so
Speaker 2: distracted by you know. So it's like but it's like
Speaker 2: just being able to like open up your mind and
Speaker 2: and explore these incredible worlds that were meticulously done by
Speaker 2: these brilliant writers. Is that studied psychology and philosophy and
Speaker 2: that outpouring of of of just you know, knowledge. But
Speaker 2: so I think books would be the first thing that
Speaker 2: have like that have like.
Speaker 1: Impacted any favorites, anyone that you saw.
Speaker 2: Cervantes then his life story was incredible. Servantes, he's fascinating,
Speaker 2: And then Don Quixote is like one of the most
Speaker 2: I think one of the most important books written. In
Speaker 2: many ways, his story is incredible because he was the
Speaker 2: son of a surgeon. He grew up very poor Servantes,
Speaker 2: so he went to fight for his country and during
Speaker 2: during the Inquisition, I guess he was maimed on his
Speaker 2: left sides. He was paralyzed on his left side, he
Speaker 2: couldn't use his arm, and he was given the equivalent
Speaker 2: of a purple heart. So on his way back, the
Speaker 2: boat was seized, like they took him captive, and he
Speaker 2: was tortured and beaten for years. Right, he wasn't able
Speaker 2: to really, he couldn't get out, and his brother finally
Speaker 2: raised enough money that he was by the way from
Speaker 2: the monasteries. Whether they raised enough money. When he came out,
Speaker 2: they gave him a job as a tax collector, and
Speaker 2: he didn't want to do that. He didn't want to
Speaker 2: collect taxes because he thought, like, if I'm doing this
Speaker 2: to a mother of six and she you know, she
Speaker 2: can't afford this, I don't want to do this. They
Speaker 2: ended up putting him in jail for I think twelve years.
Speaker 2: While he was in prison, he wrote Don Quixote, which
Speaker 2: is this book about a guy that wants to save
Speaker 2: the world, to make the world a better place. But
Speaker 2: he finished it. When he came out. The book was
Speaker 2: published and it became like the number one book in Europe.
Speaker 2: But the book publisher, I don't think they ever really
Speaker 2: paid him. So this this book that became like the
Speaker 2: Shakespeare even wrote an entire play about one character in
Speaker 2: the book called Cardinio, which is that characteris edible, but
Speaker 2: that when he was basically when he came out, they
Speaker 2: never gave him his his his his earnings, and he
Speaker 2: died completely broken. The story of Don Quixote is a
Speaker 2: guy that wants to make the world a better place,
Speaker 2: but it's not possible, you know, which is what his
Speaker 2: mission was. Yeah, well that's a great book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. How does that speak to you now, Like,
Speaker 1: how does his dilemma speak?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's related to everything right, hope for the
Speaker 2: best and expect the worst. It's the theme of his book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a beautiful statement that it
Speaker 1: reminds me of from F. Scott Fitzgerald who said that
Speaker 1: the sign of a first rate intelligence is the ability
Speaker 1: to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the
Speaker 1: same time. So one should be able to look around
Speaker 1: and see that everything is hopeless, but still be determined
Speaker 1: to make.
Speaker 2: It to be hopeful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly like that ability to Yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Right to absorb to to truly, Yeah, because the brain's
Speaker 2: not meant to be malleable. So it's like, you think
Speaker 2: one way, and it's very hard to unthink that. It's
Speaker 2: very hard to change the direction of what you accept
Speaker 2: and what you like. But you're right, that sign of
Speaker 2: intelligence is the ability to grow and learn and scrap
Speaker 2: previous ideas and change the way you think and continue
Speaker 2: to break everything that you think you know.
Speaker 1: But that's literally what you do in a physical, tangible
Speaker 1: mental way, because everything about you knows that putting a
Speaker 1: blade close to your body cuts it, that being close
Speaker 1: to a black mamber like kills you. Like that that's
Speaker 1: what you're you're literally living that. Because I'm intrigued to
Speaker 1: know this because you're one of the most unrelatable people
Speaker 1: on the planet, because you've done things that even if
Speaker 1: you explain them and even if we watch you do them,
Speaker 1: nine nine point nine percent of people even more than that,
Speaker 1: that's even a low percentage, have no idea what it
Speaker 1: even feels like, how does that feel?
Speaker 2: I don't think of it like that. Okay, Actually, I
Speaker 2: think everybody has their their thing, Like, everybody has that
Speaker 2: thing that they're like, it's the same thing. It's just
Speaker 2: it just it speaks differently. Yeah, And it just speaks differently. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I think everybody, like if you look into every
Speaker 2: single person, there's like you can find, you know, it's
Speaker 2: like things that you can't understand or you know, and
Speaker 2: it's like it's amazing to like explore that, you know.
Speaker 1: I like that perspective. I like that perspective. Everyone has.
Speaker 1: Everyone can feel that way if they want to. It's
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like everybody has their thing that's unique to them.
Speaker 2: It might be that, and there's so many, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like it's like the skill that I respect on
Speaker 2: my mother being the best mother ever, right that, But
Speaker 2: that's hard. That's like complete surrender, dedication and belief.
Speaker 1: And past you know, that's that's a special source.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there. That's their passion, that's what that's what
Speaker 2: lights their fire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you avoided You avoided fire for a while, like
Speaker 1: you was wanting to do that. You finally succeed with
Speaker 1: the bridge dives. I mean, how did that feel? Why
Speaker 1: were you avoiding it?
Speaker 2: It just never came together properly, Like it just never
Speaker 2: The idea was planted in my head, but it never
Speaker 2: really came to It never came together properly. But then
Speaker 2: when I went to Brazil and I met these incredible
Speaker 2: you know, high divers. The Carina who had like walked
Speaker 2: over traversed a volcano and by the way, she she
Speaker 2: almost died doing that. She was bleeding through her mouth
Speaker 2: and she couldn't even breathe. But when you look at
Speaker 2: the images of her walking across a volcano lake, it's whoa.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so there was a man Andre who's this
Speaker 2: fire genius that just respect becks and love fires the
Speaker 2: same way Neville does with the Black Mambas. They helped
Speaker 2: me put together this this idea of just you know,
Speaker 2: doing something off of a bridge on fire and that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was it was amazing.
Speaker 1: I mean, but you you had a set amount of
Speaker 1: time that you had to like, right quick, Yeah it
Speaker 1: was quick. Yeah, it was quick. Yeah. Did it live
Speaker 1: up to your feeling of wanting to do with fire?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do I want to do it the game? Yeah? No, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Because you're always thinking like, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: know it was bright out, it was a nighttime would
Speaker 2: have been you know, so yeah, you're always thinking about like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's not like the Box, which is one
Speaker 2: I can't ever do again. That's one that's like that's interesting.
Speaker 2: So my the way that this show can was. My
Speaker 2: concept was if something can be done by one, it
Speaker 2: can be done by others, right, And I think that's
Speaker 2: part of what happens, is like somebody does something and
Speaker 2: somebody else, Oh, this guy ran a mile and four minutes,
Speaker 2: so that I can break it. And then it's almost
Speaker 2: like a continual like part that I love is one
Speaker 2: thing leads to another. You push somebody, the idea opens up.
Speaker 2: The idea opens up that you can do anything, or
Speaker 2: you can do something you didn't think was possible, and
Speaker 2: then it just snowballs and it affects people around. And
Speaker 2: I think that's what's interesting about the magicians that I love,
Speaker 2: is they create this fantasy land. Right, they do these
Speaker 2: things that seem impossible. But the ones that I like
Speaker 2: are really doing things that are actually possible, but we
Speaker 2: think it's not possible. And then it relates to everybody
Speaker 2: because anybody that wants to do, Oh I want to
Speaker 2: write a book, they can write a book. Right, you
Speaker 2: just have to believe in Oh I want to direct
Speaker 2: a movie, they can direct a movie. I want to
Speaker 2: be a photographer for National Geograph, they can be a photographer.
Speaker 2: So it's like I want to do this. I want
Speaker 2: to build a rocket. It's unlimited, so I think, and
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing that I love about, the search
Speaker 2: for people that are doing things that to me feel
Speaker 2: like it's as close to magic as possible because it
Speaker 2: defies what we know to be possible. Well, I think
Speaker 2: it's what's amazing about humanity is we just keep improving,
Speaker 2: and we keep learning, and we keep evolving to become
Speaker 2: better and better and better. So so yeah, so I
Speaker 2: think part of the search for these fascinating people, or
Speaker 2: this love of magic, stems from that idea that everybody
Speaker 2: is basically the same, like there is nobody that's different things,
Speaker 2: and you can apply that thinking to anything. And so
Speaker 2: I'm inspired by the people that do these things, not
Speaker 2: just magicians, but the people have been searching for throughout
Speaker 2: the world that just push the limits of what we
Speaker 2: would assume to be possible.
Speaker 1: I love that answer. Yeah, that's brilliant, that idea that
Speaker 1: every single person gets to kind of pass on the batter, right,
Speaker 1: Like the idea of like I open up the door
Speaker 1: and now it's open. And I always ask people, I'm like,
Speaker 1: find your monk. And what I mean by that is
Speaker 1: if I didn't meet this monk, the entire trajectory of
Speaker 1: my life wouldn't have shifted and changed. It was like
Speaker 1: meeting this one person right completely pivoted my whole life journey.
Speaker 1: And whoever that is for me were open to it.
Speaker 2: And I've understood that that's right, and.
Speaker 1: We also need to be open to that. Like, who's
Speaker 1: that person who could just completely or perspective that could
Speaker 1: completely shift and change your trajectory? That's right, it's pretty phenomenal.
Speaker 2: And it's not and anybody. And what's nice about that
Speaker 2: is then therefore it's like anything can inspire you to do,
Speaker 2: to do anything that you that you want or that
Speaker 2: you dream of her. And that's the stuff that once again,
Speaker 2: that's what I love about. When I studied these incredible performers,
Speaker 2: these magicians, these vaudavillions, these dime circus, I would read
Speaker 2: these things. I'd say, wait, how is this guy human aquarium?
Speaker 2: Like does that make sense? But he couldn't. Houdini wrote
Speaker 2: about mac Norton the human Aquarium. But I'm like, but wait,
Speaker 2: he couldn't have fooled to Deani because Whudini is a magician.
Speaker 2: He's looking for the trick and if Houdini's saying, the
Speaker 2: guy's really doing it, it has to be real. So
Speaker 2: that just let that was like the planting of the seed. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's like and just all these fascinating characters throughout
Speaker 2: the history of magic, and there's like these surreal images
Speaker 2: of these posters that these magicians created that when you
Speaker 2: look at them, it's like this, it's like this fantastical, mystical,
Speaker 2: magical world. So it's like, and that's what I think
Speaker 2: great books do, is they open up your mind, They
Speaker 2: open up your thinking to this, like to this, to this.
Speaker 2: It's like not just beauty, it's it's it's your imagination,
Speaker 2: it's your creations, it's your visualization. And then it's like
Speaker 2: converting that into through repetition, failure, practice, repeat into whatever
Speaker 2: you and and by the way, you shoot for this
Speaker 2: and then it may end up here, but that you
Speaker 2: shop and so you know, and it's a constant, you know,
Speaker 2: which is part of the thing that I love about
Speaker 2: all these types of feelings or or people or or inspirations,
Speaker 2: Like you found your your monk who led you into
Speaker 2: this whole your brain change you open the door, right.
Speaker 1: And it seems like that's why you will never be
Speaker 1: done because that's what drives you.
Speaker 2: And that's why we'll all never be done.
Speaker 1: David, You've been so generous with your time. I've loved
Speaker 1: every moment of this. You are truly one of the
Speaker 1: most fascinating people I've ever spoken to. And we end
Speaker 1: on purpose with a final five of fast five. These
Speaker 1: have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay,
Speaker 1: so these are your David Blaine, these are your final five.
Speaker 1: Question Number one, what is the best life advice you've
Speaker 1: ever heard or received?
Speaker 2: I mean, I like, always surround yourself with people that
Speaker 2: will inspire you and help you grow.
Speaker 1: That was a good one good advice. Question number two,
Speaker 1: what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?
Speaker 2: Don't go for your dream? Don't you're not going to succeed.
Speaker 2: Don't even bother worst advice?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people have had that.
Speaker 2: If you listen to the people that are that, they're
Speaker 2: gonna know you cannot. You have to go for You
Speaker 2: have to at least try. By the way, you may fail,
Speaker 2: but if you keep failing, eventually you're probably gonna do
Speaker 2: some thing. You'll get, you know, some version of what
Speaker 2: you want to do.
Speaker 1: So, if you wanted your life to leave behind three messages,
Speaker 1: what would they be?
Speaker 2: That you can find magic everywhere, you know, the connections
Speaker 2: between there's like the way I feel with my daughter,
Speaker 2: finding that connection that surrendered that love is that's the
Speaker 2: most beautiful thing that I have ever experienced. And then
Speaker 2: one more thing. I guess it goes to the first thing,
Speaker 2: which is just to try to always experience that feeling
Speaker 2: of wonder, like always be amazed. Allow yourself to be amazed,
Speaker 2: you know, allow yourself to Yeah what we were talking at,
Speaker 2: allow yourself to see the blue in the sky, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love allow I love that. Allow yourself to
Speaker 1: be amazed because today, yeah, we don't allow ourselves because
Speaker 1: we're kind of used to it. We don't even realize
Speaker 1: even though we all make phones look bad, but this
Speaker 1: is actually phenomenal that exists. It's amazing that allow yourself
Speaker 1: to be amazed. A is a great line. I love
Speaker 1: that question number four. When your mother left you with
Speaker 1: the words God is love. What does that mean to you?
Speaker 2: To it means love is God. God is love. Like
Speaker 2: the feeling of love, the surrender that is everything, that's that,
Speaker 2: that's that that is what life is about. That that's
Speaker 2: what life is.
Speaker 1: That's the ultimate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the giving into that feeling, which we're all very guarded.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm super guarded, and like you said, as
Speaker 2: a magician, I'm super skeptical. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I still do believe there's so much that we don't know,
Speaker 2: that we don't understand. And we're all connected to this
Speaker 2: one We're we're all part of this one connection. We're
Speaker 2: all connected, we're all made of the same molecules and atoms.
Speaker 2: So I think we're everything is connected, and everything is one,
Speaker 2: and I don't think there's a beginning or an andy,
Speaker 2: and energy isn't either created nor destroyed, so it's always it.
Speaker 2: So that whole.
Speaker 1: Fifth and final question, if you could be asked this
Speaker 1: every guest who's ever been on the show, if you
Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be?
Speaker 2: Wow? So one law.
Speaker 1: It can be as tangible or intangible as you like it.
Speaker 2: Yes, So then it should be the law of love.
Speaker 1: Simple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like just that surrender that like, because that's
Speaker 2: there's no ego in that, there's.
Speaker 1: No no ego. Is definitely it, but it's so hard.
Speaker 2: To you know, it's like we're so locked in all
Speaker 2: this stuff. But yeah, giving up just like surrender.
Speaker 1: When do you feel you have the least ego? When
Speaker 1: do you feel you experience no ego?
Speaker 2: When I'm with my daughter is it's like that's like
Speaker 2: everything disappears.
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