WEBVTT - David Blaine: I Nearly Died Doing This (How to Conquer Fear and Push Your Limits)

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<v Speaker 1>yours today. The first time I ever saw you, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were suspended miss box in the middle of London.

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<v Speaker 1>You were in it for forty four days.

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<v Speaker 2>I was on the edge of irreversible organ failure. I

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<v Speaker 2>do have effects that haven't recovered since, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Over for a street magic and endurance stunt. I love

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<v Speaker 1>the reactions you get doing these tricks. The human endurance

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<v Speaker 1>pot is what's so fascinating about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You just went for it, took an X ray. The

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<v Speaker 2>knife was on the edge of the nervousness. It was

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<v Speaker 2>really at that like exact line, when you're out of

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<v Speaker 2>your comfort zone, when you're breaking that, how do you

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<v Speaker 2>get out of that? Well? This series did that.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the illusion that kept you up the most nights?

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<v Speaker 2>The body is capable of doing things that science and

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<v Speaker 2>doctors don't even imagine could be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Is there anything that you're actually scared of?

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<v Speaker 2>The Number one health and wellness.

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<v Speaker 1>Podcast Jetty Jay Sheddy Rely, Hey everyone, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>On Purpose. I am so excited for today because I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting to sit down with someone that I have loved

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<v Speaker 1>and followed for the past two days, decades. This is

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<v Speaker 1>someone that I grew up watching when I was back

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<v Speaker 1>in London, I'd be wanting to watch every show, everything

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<v Speaker 1>he did. I was addicted and I still am today.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is one of those moments that I look

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<v Speaker 1>back and I'm like my ten year old self. My

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen year old self would be high fiving me so

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<v Speaker 1>bad right now. So I'm so pumped. I'm sitting down

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<v Speaker 1>with the world's most iconic illusionist, endurance artist, and mentalist,

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<v Speaker 1>from death defying stunts to pushing the limits of human potential.

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<v Speaker 1>He spent his career redefining what's possible, and his latest series,

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<v Speaker 1>Do Not Attempt, premiers March twenty third on National Geographic.

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<v Speaker 1>Please welcome to the show, David Blaine. David, I get

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<v Speaker 1>to sit down with a lot of cool people. But

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<v Speaker 1>when I heard you were coming on and we made

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<v Speaker 1>this happen, I honestly, I've felt like a kid the

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<v Speaker 1>whole time. You got captivated by a subway trick when

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<v Speaker 1>you were like four years old. That's what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>introduced you into this world. What was that trick?

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<v Speaker 2>It also kept it was a bunch of things. Side

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<v Speaker 2>a friend that one of his relatives gave him a

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<v Speaker 2>trick called Scotch and soda, which is just it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a half dollar changes with English, but anyway, so he

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't figure out how to do it, and immediately I

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<v Speaker 2>understood it and I was able to do it and

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<v Speaker 2>present as a trick. So that that was one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Another thing was seeing the guys in Coney Island that

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<v Speaker 2>would do sword sawing or rope tricks things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Then people that were in the subways. I would watch

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<v Speaker 2>the three card Monty guys. So I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a constant, you know. For some reason, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff I was most attracted to. And I loved how

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<v Speaker 2>cards fell, you know. So they're almost for me meditative,

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<v Speaker 2>like the way they feel in my hands. It's I think,

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<v Speaker 2>even before I even knew what to do with them,

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<v Speaker 2>I would almost just like meditate because I was holding them.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was really interesting, almost like a digital fixation.

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<v Speaker 2>I just became, I guess, like a security blanket almost,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah, and then when I realized I could

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<v Speaker 2>make my mother, I could change her day by doing

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<v Speaker 2>a simple magic trick, it was kind of like the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of my love for performing. And then I would

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<v Speaker 2>only do it for her and her friends and they

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<v Speaker 2>would all react, and that was one part of the journey.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it is seeing little performances, seeing a book

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<v Speaker 2>of Harry Houdini and seeing him chained to the side

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<v Speaker 2>of a building, watching him dangle over the edge of

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<v Speaker 2>a building. So yeah, it's a collective, but it all

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<v Speaker 2>processed early on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when did your mother realize that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>gift and not just a cute kid who could do

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<v Speaker 1>some tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>I could have done anything, and that was the you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, so it was like, oh, my

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<v Speaker 2>son has a get no, but it's like everything I did.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like, that's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's not like I had any special gift. I didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had a mother that believed that I had,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. So she encouraged it just

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<v Speaker 2>by being so excited.

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<v Speaker 1>And so you know, yeah, well, I'm having a moment

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<v Speaker 1>now because just before we went on, you showed me

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<v Speaker 1>a video of your daughter performing, and I was thinking

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing the same thing. Like when I saw

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<v Speaker 1>you were watching that video you probably watched a million times.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, your door is so talented. This it's

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<v Speaker 1>phenomenally talented. I can't wait to see her perform live.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were looking at that video like it was

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<v Speaker 1>the first time you'd seen it, and you were so

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<v Speaker 1>proud as a proud dad showed to me, and I'm thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like mirroring your mom's energy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really special. It's amazing to see that. What does

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<v Speaker 1>it feel like to you now when you're watching Decert

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<v Speaker 1>perform and watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Her do anything, I'm like, mind blowing. It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>If she draws something, if she writes something, if she

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<v Speaker 2>makes something, whatever she does, it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying to you, and you walked in today

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<v Speaker 1>that the first time I ever saw you was in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and three. You were doing your act above

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<v Speaker 1>the below and you were suspended thirty feet up or

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<v Speaker 1>something maybe higher in this box in the middle of London,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were in it for forty four days. You

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<v Speaker 1>survived on like four and a half liters of water

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<v Speaker 1>a day, and I think you lost like sixty pounds

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<v Speaker 1>and I just come wave at you, but you don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember me.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember the good energy. That was something that changed

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<v Speaker 2>everything about the way. I think that one messed up

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<v Speaker 2>my metabolism, which is hence the side effects of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was absolutely one of the most beautiful, compelling experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Aside from that, it was a stunt, and I did

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<v Speaker 2>do it publicly because so I feel like if I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't do this publicly, I could have never committed to

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<v Speaker 2>doing that type of a fast. And I was obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>with fasting because every time I would fast, you become

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<v Speaker 2>aware of everything around you that you normally ignore because

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<v Speaker 2>we spend so much time thinking about, oh what am

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<v Speaker 2>I going to have for breakfast? I'm not going for lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Who am I going to see? But what are we

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<v Speaker 2>going to do for dinner? And your day is consumed

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<v Speaker 2>by these But as soon as you remove all of that,

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<v Speaker 2>suddenly you have like all this brain activity and it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the best things for me about fasting

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<v Speaker 2>is that, And every stunt that I'd done was up

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<v Speaker 2>to that point was I fasted just so I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have to use a toilet, right, So for me, the

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<v Speaker 2>fasting was one of the things that I was most

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<v Speaker 2>excited about. So I decided to make it into a

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<v Speaker 2>stunt forty four days, and I knew that the only

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<v Speaker 2>way that I would actually do it is if I

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<v Speaker 2>publicly committed to it. But so even though it was

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<v Speaker 2>difficult and I was suffering, it was one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most beautiful experiences that people I connected with. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like I would get emotional just by like looking at somebody,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I could never do something like that again.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think I was on the edge of irreversible

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<v Speaker 2>organ failure or something. I think I did go on

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<v Speaker 2>the threshold. But it's funny because I studied, I studied monks,

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<v Speaker 2>I studied Yogi's I studied all these the hunger strikers,

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<v Speaker 2>I read Bobby Sands, I read all of the books

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<v Speaker 2>about the people that pushed themselves to the edge. And

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<v Speaker 2>some were doing it as a protest, some were doing

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<v Speaker 2>it for enlightenment. But all the things that I read

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<v Speaker 2>about it were kind of similar. It's like, there are

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<v Speaker 2>certain beats, there are certain things that happen. In a

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<v Speaker 2>few days, you'd lose your hunger. But it has to

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<v Speaker 2>be pure water. It has to be nothing but water.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have other things, you keep your metabolism going.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't recommend it obviously, because I do have

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<v Speaker 2>effects that haven't recovered since. And that was what two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and three, so it was twenty two years ago.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's like around twenty eight days, it says that

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<v Speaker 2>you suddenly have this pair taste in your mouth. And

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<v Speaker 2>around day twenty eight I started to think that they

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<v Speaker 2>were putting sugar in my water. So I would pour

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<v Speaker 2>the water out to people walking by and I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>could you check? Could you could you tell? Because I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't trust my team. I thought they were like involved

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<v Speaker 2>in keeping me a lot. So I was like, can

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<v Speaker 2>you is there is that sweet? And they go no,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just water, but you can taste it because of

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<v Speaker 2>that paar taste in during starvation. And then then the

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<v Speaker 2>other thing you lose, the hunger. First around a month

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<v Speaker 2>you get that paar taste. But then around like day

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<v Speaker 2>thirty nine, I start to have really strange heart palpitations

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<v Speaker 2>and you start to feel like you're eating your body.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where it starts to become. You start to become

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<v Speaker 2>aware of that pain. But through that pain you find

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<v Speaker 2>this this other thing that's like the most beautiful experience

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<v Speaker 2>that I've ever felt. So it's amazing we were there

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<v Speaker 2>for that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's amazing, I mean, but hearing about it from the

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<v Speaker 1>person who actually lived through it is pretty remarkable. And

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<v Speaker 1>I wondered, though, Like one thing I love about you, David,

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<v Speaker 1>is that these are not just tricks or experiments. These

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<v Speaker 1>are things that you research, you read, there's a story

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<v Speaker 1>that inspires it, there's a experiment that happened years ago

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<v Speaker 1>that inspires something you do. These are not just you know,

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<v Speaker 1>manufactured things. Then they're really deep lots of things you're

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<v Speaker 1>fascinated by. How did you start to come across stories,

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<v Speaker 1>ideas images that inspired these tricks? Where did that come from?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I started fasting. Actually, I read said Arthur by

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<v Speaker 2>Hermas when I was young, I think like eleven twelve

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<v Speaker 2>thirty around around that time, and his character fasts, waits

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<v Speaker 2>and learns how to take control over his mind and body.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was fascinating with that principle. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>would just try to test myself with simple things, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>enduring the cold, holding my breath, things like that. But

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<v Speaker 2>I think it started earlier and then I connected to

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<v Speaker 2>it with that, and then fasting was I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>bury myself alive. That was a pivotal part that made

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<v Speaker 2>the stunt easy to do, actually, because if you have

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<v Speaker 2>no food, it makes everything easier and you sleep easier.

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<v Speaker 2>Once you ignore the hunger. Once you lose that, then

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<v Speaker 2>your ability to focus. I guess you switch into a

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<v Speaker 2>different survival mode or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You were saying earlier that when you're in the box

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<v Speaker 1>for forty four days it ruined your metabolism. How much

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<v Speaker 1>did you study and know that that was going to

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<v Speaker 1>happen or how much was that a real shock in

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<v Speaker 1>surprise to the system.

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<v Speaker 2>I knew I was going to do some damage, so

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<v Speaker 2>I was prepared for that. I knew that when you

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<v Speaker 2>push your body to that extreme, it's going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a toll. But there's a lot of things I do

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<v Speaker 2>that I know they're going to take a toll, and

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of balance out.

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<v Speaker 1>The risk of it when is it worth it and

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<v Speaker 1>when is it not worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm different because I have a daughter, right so

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<v Speaker 2>now I'm more careful about the risk. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>obsessed with the idea of staying awake for I think

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<v Speaker 2>the world record was eleven days, so I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>if you go, I think it's like eleven point five,

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<v Speaker 2>six or five, so I don't remember, but that would

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<v Speaker 2>be a million seconds. I got obsessed with this idea

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<v Speaker 2>and I started messing around with it, and I met

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<v Speaker 2>with doctor Dement, who's like the number one sleep expert

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<v Speaker 2>at the time up at Stanford. He was there when

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<v Speaker 2>the record was done at eleven days, and I thought

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<v Speaker 2>I could pull it off, and I started testing it.

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<v Speaker 2>The tests were very difficult, and then as I started

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<v Speaker 2>to really research it and speak to people and look

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<v Speaker 2>into it, it seemed like there is something that you

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<v Speaker 2>could do to your mind where you don't recover, So

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<v Speaker 2>you could tweak your brain and have it not recover.

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<v Speaker 2>So I yeh, that's not worth it. Yeah, losing your

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<v Speaker 2>sight isn't worth it. So when I was in India

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<v Speaker 2>and I was at the Ers festival and the Sufi

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<v Speaker 2>the video, Yeah, when they pull their eyes out, they

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<v Speaker 2>pull their eyes out. It's very very hard to watch.

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<v Speaker 2>But I called my my dear friend, who's who's a

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<v Speaker 2>great optometier, and and I just said, is there any uh?

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<v Speaker 2>How is how does this make sense? You say it

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<v Speaker 2>could be done, but you made degenerate your vision. So

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<v Speaker 2>I said, okay, I'm not going to mess around with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there is I Can I pull this off? Or

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<v Speaker 2>am I going to do permanent damage? And it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>studying the past and finding experts and finding people that

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<v Speaker 2>have done things and then and then making a decision

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<v Speaker 2>or I guess it's more like a feeling. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the other thing that I like to do is I

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<v Speaker 2>use like numeric, like I use numbers. So I I'll

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<v Speaker 2>do a test where I test something to like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>let me get to the halfway point. If I could

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<v Speaker 2>do the halfway point, then I can estimate how much

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<v Speaker 2>more can I tolerate. So that's kind of like if

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a fast for forty four days, I'll do

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<v Speaker 2>something like a twenty two day fast just to just

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<v Speaker 2>to understand if I can do it, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love how mathematically is for you as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Though, like numbers play key factor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love kind of diving into your mind right

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<v Speaker 1>now because I love that process. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it's also how you transition. But going back to that

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<v Speaker 1>video you just showed me, when everyone sees this in

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<v Speaker 1>the new nat GEO show, that is like, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>I had to look away multiple times, so if anyone

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what's going on, it's like this guy's like

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<v Speaker 1>expanding his eye up, but then he's like nearly gouging

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<v Speaker 1>it with like what like a steel rod or something.

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<v Speaker 1>How to even make sure that's disinfect.

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<v Speaker 2>They know, they don't. They don't know because I pushed

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<v Speaker 2>an ice pick through my arm and I put it

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<v Speaker 2>on the I don't know. There wasn't even a table.

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<v Speaker 2>I just put it on. I think I'm a floor

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<v Speaker 2>in India. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he picked it up

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<v Speaker 2>and pushed it right through his spot. Yeah, it's crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>And how are they doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>Like what did you learn from that experience of watching them?

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<v Speaker 1>Like if you had to look away.

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<v Speaker 2>What they're doing. I think it's passed down for generations,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think they know exactly what they're doing. And

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<v Speaker 2>part of it is accepting what you have to do,

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's an acceptance to what they're going to do,

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<v Speaker 2>like a faith right. They know that they can do

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<v Speaker 2>these things. So when they push these things through their body,

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<v Speaker 2>they're just completely at ease, and I think therefore their

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<v Speaker 2>body recovers at a really fast rate because the body

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<v Speaker 2>is incredible. The body can do so many amazing things.

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<v Speaker 2>Through evolution, we've developed these abilities to survive. So one

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<v Speaker 2>that I wasn't prepared for. I was surrounded by doctors

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<v Speaker 2>and I was trying to hold my breath for as

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<v Speaker 2>long as possible. I had to lemetry on me and

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<v Speaker 2>everything else. I was surround by a great group of

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<v Speaker 2>doctors and pulmonary experts and free divers, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>holding I was holding my breath underwater, and at one

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<v Speaker 2>point I wasn't even aware of the time. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>there was no such thing as time, So I'm holding

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<v Speaker 2>my breath at one point. I think it was once

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<v Speaker 2>I when I was like above eighteen minutes right, and

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden I'm pulled out of the

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<v Speaker 2>water and it's twenty minutes and two seconds, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was just completely at peace. But they pulled me up

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<v Speaker 2>because my heart rate had dropped to eight beats per minute,

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<v Speaker 2>and in their minds, I'm going to go into cardiac

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<v Speaker 2>arrest and they're not going to be able to recover me.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was the opposite. I went. The body went

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<v Speaker 2>into this strained survival mode, I guess, and it does

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<v Speaker 2>everything it can to conserve all of your energy, shuts

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<v Speaker 2>the brain down because the brain uses oxygen. And again

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<v Speaker 2>I was at like complete peace, and then I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>why did you pull me out?

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<v Speaker 1>But that's like a mind body disconnect. No, Like, isn't

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<v Speaker 1>your mind at peace and your body's going into cardiac arress? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was going into I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was going into survival mode. Right. There's a boy that

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<v Speaker 2>blacked out under an icy river. He was trapped under

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<v Speaker 2>the water and he was there for forty five minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>not breathing. They pulled him out. He fully recovered, no

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<v Speaker 2>brain damage, nothing, And it's the body is capable of

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<v Speaker 2>doing things that we don't even science and doctors don't

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<v Speaker 2>even imagine could be possible. And at the Earth's Festival

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<v Speaker 2>in India, they were all everything that I saw. It

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<v Speaker 2>was overwhelming, but it was still like they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>things that don't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And these are not tricks, that's your point. These are

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<v Speaker 1>not These are like you're saying, it's been passed down

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<v Speaker 1>for generations. These are not slight of hand. This is

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<v Speaker 1>not faking it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's hard to say, right, you never know. But

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<v Speaker 2>but what I was seeing was it was as real

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<v Speaker 2>as it gets. But then there was one thing that

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make sense. There was one thing that I started

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<v Speaker 2>to think, well, what's the magic?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 2>So who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>What is that thing?

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted? You know, the guy pushes the thing through

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<v Speaker 2>his neck and it comes in. But then I looked

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<v Speaker 2>carefully and there was no there was no hole. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no blood, no hole, no nothing. So I so then

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<v Speaker 2>I started thinking, like, whoa, so what how is that possible? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know. No, you don't have an answer, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but it's funny because I so I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>go to India first and we started shooting the series

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<v Speaker 2>because the first time I saw somebody combine magic with

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<v Speaker 2>real human in Durrance's feets other than pictures of Boudin

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, was a magician that ate a

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<v Speaker 2>thread and then he pulled the threat out of a stomach.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I saw that, I was like blown away.

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<v Speaker 2>And he wouldn't show anybody else, but he pulled me

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<v Speaker 2>into another He's like, I'll show you, and he showed

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<v Speaker 2>me and I was like whoa. And I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was crazy how he did it. It's a magic combined

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<v Speaker 2>with doing something that most people wouldn't want to do.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I saw it kind of changed my theory

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<v Speaker 2>on what could be possible. And I think I've always

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<v Speaker 2>had that curiosity of you know, what the human body

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<v Speaker 2>can endure, what we could tolerate what? So I think

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<v Speaker 2>it was some sort of a trigger that led me

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<v Speaker 2>on this journey, which was not just as a magician,

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<v Speaker 2>but what are people doing that? Yeah, and the magicians

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<v Speaker 2>I like the most, like Harry Houdini, Ricky J. Ricky J.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrote a book called Learned Pigs and Fireproof Women, which

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<v Speaker 2>is that kind of guidebook to all of these people

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<v Speaker 2>that were using their bodies to do crazy things well

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<v Speaker 2>their minds and their bodies to do these unbelievable fe.

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<v Speaker 1>When did it turn for you from being magic tricks?

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<v Speaker 1>I used to I grew up watching you chuck cards

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<v Speaker 1>at a car door and it's on the window of

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<v Speaker 1>the inside of the you know the car, or you

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<v Speaker 1>talking about like, oh, you could guess who was calling

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<v Speaker 1>your house, you know when we all had landlines to

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<v Speaker 1>then actually pushing your body to limits, Like where was

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<v Speaker 1>that switch for you?

0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I always like things that I believe, right, So it's

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<v Speaker 2>like I was always so if I'm watching a magician,

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<v Speaker 2>I like, if I know that he put tons of

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<v Speaker 2>work into one card move right. When I saw people

0:20:35.800 --> 0:20:39.800
<v Speaker 2>that were doing things that were defied logic, which is

0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:42.960
<v Speaker 2>what magic does, but then I knew that there was

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<v Speaker 2>an element of they are really doing that. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it led me first into the Sawmi mantra, which led

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<v Speaker 2>to the Buried Alive, which then led to me looking

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<v Speaker 2>into all the other things I was excited about, or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but I would with magicians they would be like,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't what's the magic in it? Like, what's the

0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:06.760
<v Speaker 2>point you have to disappear from the pole in the

0:21:06.880 --> 0:21:10.480
<v Speaker 2>pereum boxes? Yeah, but there's no believability to that I'd

0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:13.520
<v Speaker 2>rather just jump into the box. Well then they're like, well,

0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:15.879
<v Speaker 2>you at least have to just disappear. I was like,

0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.879
<v Speaker 2>but then that ruins the whole, Like then it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a real thing. What would they say back, I mean,

0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't win the argument, But then afterwards they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just the human endurance. Pot is what's so

0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.359
<v Speaker 1>fascinating about it. Because I feel like, there's the great

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<v Speaker 1>scene in the new show where you're like literally figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out how to put a knife.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that was great.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll cuss through that because you see the scan as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'd done nails and the nose and things

0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:49.800
<v Speaker 2>like that because you could hammer and nails, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>back in. But then when I was in the favellum

0:21:53.400 --> 0:22:01.120
<v Speaker 2>Rio in Hosnia, this performer my still Leaves You took

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:05.760
<v Speaker 2>a serrated steak knife and he just shoved it in

0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 2>his nose, just pushed it all the way in. And

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<v Speaker 2>how is that possible? We don't think of that as

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:17.399
<v Speaker 2>being you know, it seems like you're going to do something,

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:20.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, to your nervousness. There's something right, he pushes

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<v Speaker 2>it all the way in and pulls it out, does

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<v Speaker 2>it a few times, and of course I'm like, WHOA,

0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:33.679
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. But obviously my whole theory is like, if

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.399
<v Speaker 2>somebody can do it, it means nobody should do it.

0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:41.560
<v Speaker 2>But it means there's an explanation. There's no, it's not

0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.480
<v Speaker 2>a magic thing. It's like, there's an explanation, so it

0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:47.080
<v Speaker 2>means it is possible. So I kind of trusted him

0:22:47.080 --> 0:22:50.200
<v Speaker 2>and just went for it and just pushed the thing in.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't want to start with anything, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched him do it, and I trusted what he

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<v Speaker 2>was saying, and I think I was nobody should do it.

0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Actually is it's super super dangerous. Of course I did it,

0:23:06.760 --> 0:23:09.320
<v Speaker 2>but then I wanted to see it, so I took

0:23:09.359 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 2>an X ray. And then when we took the x ray,

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.280
<v Speaker 2>we saw that the knife was on the edge of

0:23:14.320 --> 0:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>the nervousness. So it was really at that like exact line,

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, But again you're not it doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>But once again, you know, people have survived lots of

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<v Speaker 2>crazy things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how did you know how far back to not

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<v Speaker 1>let it go like you were that close on that scat?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, I don't know I. Yeah, and I

0:23:36.400 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 2>trusted him who has done this so many times. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>God, I mean when I see you do this stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>The question I always ask myself when I'm watching you

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<v Speaker 1>is like, is there anything that you're actually scared of?

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<v Speaker 2>Just something happening to my daughter. But by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>but these things when magicians or anybody are telling me,

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<v Speaker 2>oh well, I say, do the card tricks because that's

0:23:57.040 --> 0:24:00.600
<v Speaker 2>the best stuff. That's people like, do not do these

0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>crazy things that you know, which is why this show

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.720
<v Speaker 2>is called exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't be more excited to share something truly special

0:24:09.600 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>with all you tea lovers out there. And even if

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.040
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<v Speaker 1>are there are lots of magicians, illusionist people that have

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<v Speaker 1>died trying to do crazy things like what are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there is actually funny enough, like the bullet catch

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<v Speaker 2>killed twelve magicians, but they were doing it as a trick,

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<v Speaker 2>and the guy that was doing it for real wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>a magician. He was just catching bullets and a little

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<v Speaker 2>cup in his mouth and he did it hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>times and he was okay. But twelve magicians that were

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<v Speaker 2>doing it is a trick, that were witching bullets out

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff like that, twelve of them died. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not laughing, but twelve of them died doing it as

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<v Speaker 2>a trick.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. Yeah, what was difference about the guy that

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<v Speaker 1>was actually doing it? What was he doing differently?

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<v Speaker 2>He was catching the bullet and the metal cup in

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<v Speaker 2>his mouth. I think one time it sliced to his cheek,

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<v Speaker 2>but yeah, he pulled it off.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you ever try the bullet cat?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yoh, sorry, Yeah I did it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had my best friend. It's funny because I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>at don't shoot. So my best friend's a magician and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw him shoot a cup far away with a

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<v Speaker 2>baby gun. I was like, will you do the bullet

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<v Speaker 2>catch with me? And somehow I convinced him to do

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<v Speaker 2>it because he didn't want somebody else to mess up

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.520
<v Speaker 2>and he knew he would get the mark, so he

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<v Speaker 2>did it. I caught the bullet. That was kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>But then I wanted to do it again, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to have anybody shoot me because I didn't

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 2>want to make anybody that uncomfort. So I put a

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<v Speaker 2>string on the trigger of a rifle, a twenty two

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>long bullet, and I pulled the string and caught it

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<v Speaker 2>in that metal cup. Another thing nobody should ever do.

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<v Speaker 1>So you were saying, no one should apart from you

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<v Speaker 1>putting yourself at risk, Ideally nothing else should get hurt

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<v Speaker 1>during the trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, that's right. And I do

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<v Speaker 2>tricks with frogs and things like that. I've never injured

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<v Speaker 2>a frog. They're my daughter's pet frogs. I've kept them

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<v Speaker 2>for years. They've been with us, and then I give

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<v Speaker 2>them to somebody. That's when they get too big. Then

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<v Speaker 2>I give them to somebody that's gonna care for them.

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:41.920
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so so my doctor's kids now have these

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<v Speaker 2>giant frogs and by the way, they try to hold them,

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 2>and the frogs won't let anybody. Nobody can pick them up.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hadn't seen the frog in like a year

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:56.679
<v Speaker 2>or something, and I came to his house and they

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<v Speaker 2>were filming it and I put my hand in and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not kidding. The frog walked right onto my hand

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<v Speaker 2>and I lifted it up and he just sat there.

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<v Speaker 2>We underestimate these creatures, right, but there's some sort of

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, yeah, yeah, that was whatever it is, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>You are so right. We really do downplay the intelligence,

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<v Speaker 1>especially of animals. Yeah, but even humans but yau, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't recognize it. And the body, Yeah, and the body,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right. Do you think it's interesting how the world's

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<v Speaker 1>we've focused on becoming more comfortable. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>that's doing to us?

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, that's good because I agree that that being

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable for me, I think is always the worst thing. Ever,

0:28:45.360 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>when you're comfortable, you achieve nothing, you learn, nothing, you do.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like when you're out of your comfort zone,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're breaking that, it's like that's when everything becomes

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<v Speaker 2>intense and we're alive, right, And that's probably what you

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<v Speaker 2>experienced when you took yourself out of your comfort zone

0:29:02.440 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 2>and live with this incredible monk is then suddenly you're

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<v Speaker 2>living in the moment. You're living in this heightened sense

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<v Speaker 2>of awareness and that's all from breaking the comfort zone.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's so interesting because you're so right, like

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<v Speaker 1>we just we all naturally though, And that's what you

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<v Speaker 1>were saying when you were talking about the guy earlier

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<v Speaker 1>who nearly gouged his eye out something that you said,

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<v Speaker 1>which is so subtle but so powerful. You were like,

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<v Speaker 1>but when he's doing it, his body's not repelling it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why somehow it works out. And I was

0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:35.920
<v Speaker 1>thinking about it that everything you do defies what we

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<v Speaker 1>want to do because we're looking for comfort. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you prep yourself to actually want discomfort? Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do we prepare our minds and brains to actually

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<v Speaker 1>seek out discomfort? Because just as you said, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>better for us, even for survival, even for growth of

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<v Speaker 1>the species, But we don't. We kind of go backwards

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<v Speaker 1>into reclining, Netflix and chill. That's the life. Yeah, how

0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>do you get out of that? What have you done

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<v Speaker 1>to continuously? Well?

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<v Speaker 2>This series did that. When they were asking me what

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to do, I said, here's the thing. So

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about lots of ideas. Doug, my magician friend

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<v Speaker 2>that was here, he's the one that found d Pak

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<v Speaker 2>you know that in India, that did the most incredible

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<v Speaker 2>stuff I've ever mind blowing, just the way he is

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<v Speaker 2>able to override his body with his mind. But basically,

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<v Speaker 2>when they were coming to me with this idea, oh,

0:30:31.080 --> 0:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>this one, that one. I said, here's the thing only

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 2>present to me, the ideas that when you tell me

0:30:38.240 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 2>about them, it makes you uncomfortable just saying that we're

0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>going to go be a part of You know, I

0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be. I wanted to be that. And

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:49.520
<v Speaker 2>I think that's a big thing that I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>do is put myself in major discomfort so I can.

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<v Speaker 2>So it wakes me up, you know, it brings me

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<v Speaker 2>to life.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you train yourself to get then to do that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I want to help people most who was sitting

0:31:01.040 --> 0:31:02.880
<v Speaker 1>here going you know what? I agree with David like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to go and you know, put a

0:31:04.960 --> 0:31:07.200
<v Speaker 1>knife down my nose, which he's not encouraging me either,

0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 1>But I want to be able to push the boundaries

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:13.080
<v Speaker 1>in my own growth, in my own life. How did

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of you've gone to the full extreme of it.

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.479
<v Speaker 1>How do we kind of get to three out ten?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it starts with baby steps. I think you

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<v Speaker 2>just go push yourself to do pub speak in front

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 2>of a classroom public. You know, I was super intimidated

0:31:27.120 --> 0:31:29.480
<v Speaker 2>by public speaking and I could do magic, but I

0:31:29.600 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>wasn't I was like, I'm not going to speak, so

0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:33.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I wanted my brother to go to the

0:31:33.680 --> 0:31:36.000
<v Speaker 2>TED conference, so I agreed to like stand up and

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:38.800
<v Speaker 2>speak for the first time with Nomad, just just do

0:31:38.920 --> 0:31:41.200
<v Speaker 2>a talk. And it was it was horrific for me.

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.480
<v Speaker 2>It was like it was and I didn't sleep for

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>days on end before it, but also months before I

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.880
<v Speaker 2>was working on the notes, writing it down, putting all

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.160
<v Speaker 2>the thoughts on, and that part of it was already

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:55.640
<v Speaker 2>incredible because then you're like it, but then I had

0:31:55.680 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 2>to get up and do it, and that was really

0:31:57.800 --> 0:32:00.600
<v Speaker 2>that was like. But then as soon as you start

0:32:00.880 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>and I put myself in the boiling speaking at TED

0:32:03.520 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>for your first time, I didn't go do little talks.

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I started there right, So it's like, by by doing that,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 2>suddenly I shocked the system. And now I went on

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.480
<v Speaker 2>a speaking tour for like a year. I would do

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 2>dates in all different noises, and what I would do

0:32:17.640 --> 0:32:20.880
<v Speaker 2>is I would I wouldn't thoroughly prepare. I would kind

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 2>of just go out there and put myself in front

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 2>of everybody, and I would say often it was uncomfortable,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 2>and often it didn't work, and often the audience didn't

0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>react you know what I mean. It was like one

0:32:31.920 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 2>of the But eventually, after doing it over and over

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:37.360
<v Speaker 2>and over and over and over, it really helped and

0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I really understood it changed the way I thought about

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>public speaking. But what it really did is it helped

0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 2>me when I was doing magic because now I had like,

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:49.680
<v Speaker 2>now the magic was a conversation. The point of breaking

0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:51.920
<v Speaker 2>your comfort zone. It could be anything. It could be

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>get up and do a talk. It could be, uh,

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:58.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, go out, sit in the sauna, go in

0:32:58.240 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the steam.

0:32:58.640 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Room, jump in to Copeland.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So I think it's baby steps that can help

0:33:04.160 --> 0:33:07.200
<v Speaker 2>you kind of figure out how to do something, but

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:08.360
<v Speaker 2>it could be to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>I love how giving a TED talk is harder for.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.280
<v Speaker 2>You than like, way harder. I love that it was

0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>way harder. Given the TED talk for me was probably

0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.360
<v Speaker 2>more difficult than holding my breath for.

0:33:20.440 --> 0:33:23.120
<v Speaker 1>The twenty minutes two seconds.

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that talk, by the way, is when you

0:33:25.400 --> 0:33:28.160
<v Speaker 2>watch it down, it's it's exactly the length of my

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:32.239
<v Speaker 2>actual breatholder two. No, it just worked out that way.

0:33:32.280 --> 0:33:35.479
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. Twenty oh two was the actual breath all

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.520
<v Speaker 2>the time, and the talk when you time it out

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:39.760
<v Speaker 2>was I think it was almost twenty oh two.

0:33:40.120 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, and that was hard for me.

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 2>The talk was more uncomfortable, more difficult than the breath all.

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, holding your breath for twenty minutes and two

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>seconds is insanity.

0:33:49.560 --> 0:33:52.320
<v Speaker 2>Well, now the record's twenty four minutes and three seconds.

0:33:52.680 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>You're going to go back.

0:33:53.840 --> 0:33:56.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's safe at this point. That's what

0:33:56.120 --> 0:33:59.000
<v Speaker 2>you were saying. It's like you push yourself too far.

0:33:59.080 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 2>You can, you can, you could do not just irreversible

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 2>day it might be like game over. And I'm paranoid

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>about that stuff because one of my favorite magicians, Harry Houdini,

0:34:10.280 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 2>he was punching his stomach hypothetically, or he had a

0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:16.319
<v Speaker 2>ruptured to pen, whatever he had, he shouldn't have done

0:34:16.400 --> 0:34:19.279
<v Speaker 2>his stage show. He was feeling ill, he was in

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>lots of pain, but he didn't want to let the

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 2>audience down. Went in the show, He did his whole show,

0:34:24.920 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 2>got in the water tank. After the water tank, when

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:30.439
<v Speaker 2>he came out, he collapsed on the stage. They rushed

0:34:30.480 --> 0:34:32.879
<v Speaker 2>into a hospitle and he died. So I do think

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a limit to what the body can endure. And

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 2>things go wrong very easily and you're not prepared for them.

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:41.560
<v Speaker 2>So there is a balance to all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you had that crazy fall at your Vegas show

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<v Speaker 1>right like a couple of years.

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.279
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, and I feel like I got lucky because just

0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.320
<v Speaker 2>my arm, my shoulder went down to my armpit. That

0:34:53.520 --> 0:34:55.400
<v Speaker 2>was terrible, but I mean it could have been my

0:34:55.520 --> 0:35:00.719
<v Speaker 2>neck back. So my Vegas show I wanted to by

0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I put a light light truss all the way up

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 2>and it was shaky and things which I thought would

0:35:05.520 --> 0:35:08.040
<v Speaker 2>be funny, and I climbed up and in the beginning,

0:35:08.080 --> 0:35:11.240
<v Speaker 2>I think I was jumping like sixty eight feet sixty

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.880
<v Speaker 2>eight feet, and I put cardboard boxes down where the

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:17.240
<v Speaker 2>seats were and I would jump down into the boxes.

0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:20.080
<v Speaker 2>But I was doing three shows per month, which is

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like the max that I could even tolerate. But my

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.360
<v Speaker 2>stunt guy, Jim Churchan, was helping put that together. He's like,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:29.080
<v Speaker 2>we gotta be careful because it's about twenty jess a

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.239
<v Speaker 2>force and you can't keep doing this over and over.

0:35:31.280 --> 0:35:32.839
<v Speaker 2>You're getting something's gonna go wrong.

0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:33.440
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>For some reason, I figured I could pull it off,

0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and I kept increasing the height because I started with

0:35:39.080 --> 0:35:41.080
<v Speaker 2>the idea of like, Okay, I'm gonna go up and

0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 2>then I would then I would like be like, but wait,

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:46.399
<v Speaker 2>can I go like, I don't know. I just wanted

0:35:46.440 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 2>to keep pushing it right, So I don't know what

0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.880
<v Speaker 2>the reason. I should have just been content there, but

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm never content, so I'm like, I have to higher higher,

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>and right when I got my head next to the ceiling,

0:35:56.480 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I jumped. And it was after I was, you know,

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 2>in Thailand, and I had a swarm of bees covering

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 2>me and I was took a bunch of stungs. I

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.680
<v Speaker 2>was stung all over a bunch of things. I was

0:36:09.719 --> 0:36:11.640
<v Speaker 2>stung all over the place I had to go on.

0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:14.080
<v Speaker 2>I think I had to take antibaque. So I wasn't

0:36:14.160 --> 0:36:16.880
<v Speaker 2>probably one hundred percent when I did that jump. I

0:36:17.000 --> 0:36:20.320
<v Speaker 2>did the jump, and I don't know what it was.

0:36:20.400 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>I didn't land right or my body was like there

0:36:22.800 --> 0:36:26.560
<v Speaker 2>and that happened. But then I'm I think about it,

0:36:26.600 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, whoa, I was lucky because that could have

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 2>been anything. But yeah, that so that was the end

0:36:33.120 --> 0:36:38.000
<v Speaker 2>of that in the show. It's never recovered properly. But nuts,

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's not a big no. That's not like

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:44.359
<v Speaker 2>the box in London, which is you know major.

0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:46.480
<v Speaker 1>You feel like you're still recovering from that.

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:48.759
<v Speaker 2>From the London Then it messed me up.

0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, irreversibly, you feel like probably on some level.

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's other things I do that messed me up.

0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Like I used to drink kerosene, which I would float

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:00.440
<v Speaker 2>on top of the water and my stomach terrible idea.

0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Eating the glass is really bad because there's also chemicals

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>in that glass and stuff like that, so aside from

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 2>the enamel and everything going away on your teeth. So

0:37:10.360 --> 0:37:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I never experienced hot and cold without such extreme ah, right,

0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>So and then there's tons of little injuries, but the

0:37:16.719 --> 0:37:20.839
<v Speaker 2>ones that I'm most concerned with are those ones now

0:37:21.040 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 2>much more careful on some level because I have a daughter,

0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 2>So I don't want something. You know, you think about

0:37:28.640 --> 0:37:31.080
<v Speaker 2>life differently and how you're going to push yourself differently

0:37:31.200 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 2>and what you can and can't do. Yeah, the London box.

0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I would ever do something like that again, did.

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:39.719
<v Speaker 1>It change from the moment you held your do it

0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>like when she was born? Like?

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 2>Not right when she was When she was born was

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.279
<v Speaker 2>like the most incredible moment of my life. But I

0:37:48.480 --> 0:37:50.640
<v Speaker 2>still when she was like one and a half, I

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.279
<v Speaker 2>still I did a stunt I was in, you know,

0:37:53.320 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>a million volts of electricity, and it went wrong. My

0:37:56.040 --> 0:37:58.239
<v Speaker 2>legs swelled up from a dima ripped through the chain.

0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I was getting shocked. I spit some elect light water

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>out and it hit the coil and went inside and

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.560
<v Speaker 2>really messed me up. So at the end of that stunt,

0:38:06.640 --> 0:38:09.279
<v Speaker 2>which was seventy three hours, I said, I'm not going

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 2>to do any of these things anymore because I don't

0:38:11.120 --> 0:38:13.479
<v Speaker 2>want something to go wrong. I have a daughter.

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>But when I was saying is there anything you're scared of?

0:38:16.400 --> 0:38:18.480
<v Speaker 1>You just mentioned something happening to your daughter that it's

0:38:18.760 --> 0:38:19.360
<v Speaker 1>very real.

0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:23.880
<v Speaker 2>When she she stretches and she goes into splits and

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 2>things that when I'm watching hers, it's so painful for me.

0:38:27.560 --> 0:38:30.680
<v Speaker 1>To while imagine how she feels when you're putting a

0:38:30.760 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 1>knife through your nurse.

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 2>Then I talked to her and I'm very care Yeah.

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.560
<v Speaker 1>How does she react when she sees this?

0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Well, she's grown up with it, so she's I think

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:45.200
<v Speaker 2>she's like, even though it seems super crazy, I'm pretty

0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 2>after really trust the person that's showing me, the teacher,

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and you know, the learning curve for that series was short,

0:38:53.520 --> 0:38:58.760
<v Speaker 2>but these are masters that have done the countless thousands

0:38:58.840 --> 0:39:03.560
<v Speaker 2>of hours of work, and some secrets were passed down

0:39:03.640 --> 0:39:06.360
<v Speaker 2>to them, some they've developed on their own. It is

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 2>a matter of trust. And then this series, I was

0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 2>very careful, even though it looks like there's so many crazy,

0:39:14.239 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, things that I'm trying, or certain things like

0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 2>sitting with the black mambas. It was an enclosure this

0:39:21.600 --> 0:39:25.799
<v Speaker 2>size of just like this space and there are six

0:39:26.080 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>black mambas in there. But the thing is, and I

0:39:29.560 --> 0:39:32.400
<v Speaker 2>was with this man named Neville, South Africa, man that

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>wants to show people that you don't need to when

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 2>you see a black number because they end up in schools,

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:43.760
<v Speaker 2>they end up killing people, and it's because people react

0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 2>to them and they try to push them over there,

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:47.600
<v Speaker 2>and as soon as you do that, the black mamber

0:39:47.680 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 2>reacts back. So he sits with the mambas at peace,

0:39:52.880 --> 0:39:56.720
<v Speaker 2>and he's showing everybody that if you encounter a black mamba,

0:39:57.320 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>the best thing to do is to not be aggressive,

0:40:01.320 --> 0:40:03.520
<v Speaker 2>not act in a way that makes it uncome, just

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 2>be at peace and just stay very calm. They're very

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 2>instinctual like most animals like you. If there's some people

0:40:12.400 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that go into a into a house and there's cats

0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.520
<v Speaker 2>that won't come out, and the cats come out with

0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.399
<v Speaker 2>some people and they go near them, right, And it's

0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>just because that person has thissch energy this like this

0:40:24.080 --> 0:40:27.080
<v Speaker 2>stillness or whatever that makes the cat comfortable. And what

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 2>his point is is it's the same with the with

0:40:29.400 --> 0:40:35.120
<v Speaker 2>these feared black mambas. You just remain calm. So I

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 2>trusted him. It was the scariest thing I've ever done

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.759
<v Speaker 2>in my lifetime. This is the one, oh yeah, absolutely

0:40:43.200 --> 0:40:45.600
<v Speaker 2>scariest thing I've ever done. And it doesn't look like

0:40:45.719 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 2>it is like when you watch it, you won't understand that.

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:51.160
<v Speaker 2>And afrigat they call it the two step, so you

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.799
<v Speaker 2>get one step and the second step and you're done.

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>But sitting there with them, even though I was like,

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>I knew I had to just follow it exactly what

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 2>he said, and I observed first, I watched him for

0:41:04.160 --> 0:41:07.560
<v Speaker 2>a few days and I realized he knows what he's doing.

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:11.879
<v Speaker 2>He believes in everything that he's saying. And I sat

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.120
<v Speaker 2>with him in there and then and then when one

0:41:15.200 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 2>started to come towards you know, when it was close,

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 2>he said, uh, you know, he said, don't worry if

0:41:22.160 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 2>something goes wrong, I'll take the hit. And I was like,

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I think I'm ready to go. I think, can I

0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:29.200
<v Speaker 2>get out of here?

0:41:30.840 --> 0:41:31.200
<v Speaker 1>Can I go?

0:41:32.520 --> 0:41:35.760
<v Speaker 2>And He's like, nope, because you can't leave until until

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>it's what. You can't do any abrupt movement. So that

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>was the craziest thing I've ever done in my life.

0:41:40.239 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 1>You've got really close to it as well, didn't get really.

0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Close, but again I trusted. I trusted him completely.

0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:49.880
<v Speaker 1>How does someone like him build that skill without dying

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:51.000
<v Speaker 1>in the process.

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, he was bitting a few times, so he did

0:41:53.440 --> 0:41:56.880
<v Speaker 2>go into a cooma once. He had a snake snake

0:41:56.960 --> 0:41:59.319
<v Speaker 2>related injury where he lost his legs. He has one

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 2>leg and he still does it. Yeah, and he sits

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 2>with them, so people will come and see him and

0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.439
<v Speaker 2>know that if they've seen this. It kind of gets

0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>a point across, like if you see a guy sitting

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>in a small room like this with a bunch of

0:42:13.680 --> 0:42:16.480
<v Speaker 2>black mambas, you realize, Okay, so if a black mama

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 2>does come into our school or to our house or wherever,

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:24.080
<v Speaker 2>you can just stay at peace, stay calm on some level.

0:42:24.760 --> 0:42:27.720
<v Speaker 2>So he's protecting the people and the mambas.

0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>And there's no way of training a mamba, so no, yeah.

0:42:30.920 --> 0:42:33.359
<v Speaker 2>And these are wild, these are rescues. He keeps them

0:42:33.400 --> 0:42:34.600
<v Speaker 2>and then releases them back.

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:38.760
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, no, you know, yeah, I mean just listening

0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:42.520
<v Speaker 1>to that and you say, it's the hardest thing, craziest

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>you've ever done.

0:42:43.480 --> 0:42:46.239
<v Speaker 2>Not hard, but the scariest, scariest. It wasn't hard. It

0:42:46.360 --> 0:42:48.279
<v Speaker 2>was the opposite of heart. It's just all you have

0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.000
<v Speaker 2>to do is just sit still. Yeah, but you have

0:42:51.160 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 2>to stay still and you have to be you have

0:42:53.160 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 2>to be at ease.

0:42:54.840 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Did you have to prepare that before you went in?

0:42:57.120 --> 0:43:00.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I look like I'm about to like run to

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:01.439
<v Speaker 2>the bathroom the whole time.

0:43:02.480 --> 0:43:04.719
<v Speaker 1>I think all of us, I think us would get

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in there. There's there's an interesting thing about animals in

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:11.520
<v Speaker 1>that way, isn't there. There's my mon teacher who spend

0:43:11.600 --> 0:43:15.080
<v Speaker 1>time in when he traveled, would live in the forests

0:43:15.120 --> 0:43:16.719
<v Speaker 1>and things like that back in the day, and he

0:43:16.719 --> 0:43:19.840
<v Speaker 1>would always talk about how animals see whether you respect

0:43:19.920 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 1>them or whether you fear them. And he would talk

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>about that every time he saw an animal. It was

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 1>like he'd have to bow down to the animal in

0:43:26.640 --> 0:43:29.360
<v Speaker 1>his heart and mind, and and if he was to

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:31.600
<v Speaker 1>do that, then the animal would know that that wasn't

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a threat or there wasn't any fear, and then that

0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 1>would be what created a sense of peace, that if

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:41.440
<v Speaker 1>he could bow down and show respect, because yeah, we

0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 1>we think we have to dominate and like show them

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:45.439
<v Speaker 1>and then they'll run away.

0:43:45.600 --> 0:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But it depends some you have to so it varies

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.400
<v Speaker 2>some you have to show that you're not afraid and

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 2>that you're strong and you're not going to be an

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 2>easy target. Or they say with sharks, what you have

0:43:56.560 --> 0:43:58.200
<v Speaker 2>to do is if you're with the bun, if you're

0:43:58.200 --> 0:44:00.960
<v Speaker 2>around bull sharks and the usher whatever, you just look

0:44:01.000 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 2>at them and keep looking because they don't want to challenge.

0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:07.080
<v Speaker 2>They're so evolved, they don't want to have to waste

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>any energy. They're so perfect they can serve energy in

0:44:11.560 --> 0:44:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the most efficient way. So if you're looking at it,

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 2>it knows that it would it may get a fight back.

0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:19.240
<v Speaker 2>But if you're not looking, then.

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Right, yeah, wow, think about energy.

0:44:26.040 --> 0:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>But he sits in there for hours and when I

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:30.520
<v Speaker 2>met him, he was just sitting with the forest cobra,

0:44:30.640 --> 0:44:33.560
<v Speaker 2>another snake that could easily kill you, but he's just

0:44:33.680 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>like drinking his coffee. So yeah, he was amazing.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow, And as he got to a place of fearlessness,

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Like would he say that he feels fearless or no,

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:44.279
<v Speaker 1>he feels no.

0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I think no. I think he respects and loves these snakes.

0:44:48.440 --> 0:44:51.839
<v Speaker 2>He thinks they're beautiful and incredible. So it's not yet

0:44:52.360 --> 0:44:55.759
<v Speaker 2>sure he's fearless with that specifically, Yeah, but I think

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:59.200
<v Speaker 2>it's more like he has a just such a deep

0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:02.719
<v Speaker 2>respectful or like you said, like you know, bowing down

0:45:02.800 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>to Yeah, it's that.

0:45:04.280 --> 0:45:06.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, even listening to you though, there's such a

0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:09.560
<v Speaker 1>respect for your craft and art. Like the number of

0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>times in this conversation you've always already said like I

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 1>trusted the teacher, I trusted Neville, trusted Deepak, Like there's

0:45:16.400 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 1>such a respect for mentors and trust for teachers and guides,

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and there's such a respect for the art and craft.

0:45:24.040 --> 0:45:27.600
<v Speaker 1>It's not just you know, as today we kind of

0:45:27.680 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 1>make everything today just feel like entertainment, and even when

0:45:29.960 --> 0:45:32.399
<v Speaker 1>people have talents, it's kind of just like, oh yeah,

0:45:32.400 --> 0:45:34.840
<v Speaker 1>everyone's got talents now, but it's like, actually, for you,

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it's a respect and study of the craft.

0:45:37.040 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's the same when you met the monk,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 2>you immediately felt his knowledge and his faith and his

0:45:46.600 --> 0:45:49.920
<v Speaker 2>beliefs and his discipline, his wisdom, right, And I think

0:45:50.040 --> 0:45:53.280
<v Speaker 2>with the people I've met, all of them, I felt

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 2>that and as soon as I felt that, I was

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>okay to try things. So I think lots of it

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:02.680
<v Speaker 2>has to do it just trusting the person and their

0:46:02.760 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 2>abilities and their understanding of what they're doing, and then

0:46:07.280 --> 0:46:09.160
<v Speaker 2>and then from that it's a leap of faith.

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful to think about what you do that way,

0:46:12.280 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>because I think a lot of people can kind of

0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.319
<v Speaker 1>project it as like, oh, well, David's figured it out,

0:46:17.360 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 1>but it's actually like, no, you're willing to submit yourself

0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 1>and study and become a beginner again, right, a mindset.

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>That's right, And that's that's the part that's like breaking

0:46:27.480 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 2>the comfort zone is is trying something you haven't done,

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 2>trying something new, pushing yourself in a way that you're uncomfortable,

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 2>and working diligently and loving failure.

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 2>The failure is like, it's that's okay, The failure is amazing.

0:46:43.400 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 2>When you're performing magic, it's the failures that you learn from. Right.

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:50.560
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're performing a card trick and you fail, Well,

0:46:50.600 --> 0:46:53.799
<v Speaker 2>that's where you learn and you're constantly learning. That's what's

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 2>amazing about being a magicians. There's a constant learning curve

0:46:57.800 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and it never stops. You're always actic singer, always, even

0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:04.000
<v Speaker 2>if it's the same trick that you've worked on for

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:08.360
<v Speaker 2>for me thirty years, some of them forty, whatever it is,

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:13.399
<v Speaker 2>and I'm still changing, I'm still learning, and that that's

0:47:13.719 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 2>for me the exciting part of everything.

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:18.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're constantly going from becoming the expert, going back

0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 1>to the beginner, become an expert. That cycle doesn't.

0:47:21.239 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 2>Stop, right, and therefore you're never an expert, you know.

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really cool. I love that. What's the illusion

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that kept you up the most nights before you've done it,

0:47:32.400 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>that you've had sleepless nights over as you prepare or

0:47:34.920 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 1>get ready for it.

0:47:37.239 --> 0:47:43.160
<v Speaker 2>Probably kissing the King Kobra, just because I understood that

0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:47.359
<v Speaker 2>the risk was it was you know, I understood the risk,

0:47:48.239 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 2>So that one I was that took me a long

0:47:51.200 --> 0:47:54.520
<v Speaker 2>time to mentally prepare for that one took me a

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:55.279
<v Speaker 2>long time.

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:57.279
<v Speaker 1>How many times had you been in the pen before

0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you did that one? Or was that in that time

0:47:59.160 --> 0:47:59.640
<v Speaker 1>that night? No?

0:47:59.840 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>No, I know I took time on that one. I

0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:06.800
<v Speaker 2>wasn't ready so I left came back months later. I

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 2>tried to understand the behavior of the King Kobra. I

0:48:10.719 --> 0:48:14.240
<v Speaker 2>met with my friends that had King Kobra's that undersea.

0:48:14.320 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean that one was a pretty intense learning curve

0:48:17.719 --> 0:48:22.480
<v Speaker 2>because you know, they strike fast and yeah, if it

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:26.720
<v Speaker 2>gets you, you know, So that I think of everything

0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.640
<v Speaker 2>I've done, that that might have been the most intimidating one.

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Probably I think that's very legitimate kissing a King Kobra.

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because all of the stunts, all the other things

0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 2>that I've done, there was no real immediate risk of death. Yes,

0:48:41.200 --> 0:48:45.800
<v Speaker 2>something could go wrong, but there's not a this is

0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 2>a lights out situation, where with the King Kobra, I

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 2>understood the risk was great. So I wanted to know

0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 2>that I had the ability to get out of the

0:48:53.239 --> 0:48:56.760
<v Speaker 2>way and that I could understand its movements and its timing.

0:48:56.880 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 1>And are you scared of dying?

0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a r of dying, but I understand. You know,

0:49:04.719 --> 0:49:07.960
<v Speaker 2>my mother died in my arm. Some I don't. And

0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:10.200
<v Speaker 2>the last word she said to me is God is love.

0:49:10.960 --> 0:49:14.160
<v Speaker 2>But since having a daughter, it's like you want to

0:49:14.360 --> 0:49:18.399
<v Speaker 2>live for as long as possible. But previous to having

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.560
<v Speaker 2>a daughter, I didn't even I was like, yeah, just

0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:25.200
<v Speaker 2>whatever now because of my daughter, I want to not

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.200
<v Speaker 2>either do something.

0:49:27.719 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, oo, what was it like losing your mother?

0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 1>So sorry for your lost.

0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.719
<v Speaker 2>She got sick when I was sixteen. She died when

0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:39.239
<v Speaker 2>I was twenty. She was a warrior through it and

0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:44.040
<v Speaker 2>a peaceful warrior. When she died, I felt like I

0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.880
<v Speaker 2>felt like my body was like a tree and it

0:49:47.040 --> 0:49:49.719
<v Speaker 2>was like the bran, one big branch of a trig

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:52.360
<v Speaker 2>or something, and it went like that. It was like

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:55.840
<v Speaker 2>an immediate like broken you know. It was like I

0:49:56.320 --> 0:50:00.279
<v Speaker 2>never want to feel that type of pain again. It

0:50:00.440 --> 0:50:03.760
<v Speaker 2>was it was it was like literally like I felt

0:50:03.840 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 2>like like something broke in half. So that was that

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.879
<v Speaker 2>was good. And I was so close to my mother

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:15.200
<v Speaker 2>was she was my best friend, she was my world.

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 2>But then what started to happen was I started to

0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:25.880
<v Speaker 2>find there was like messages by the way, whenever I

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:29.160
<v Speaker 2>did stunts. I'm not even kidding, she would always like

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.880
<v Speaker 2>I would get a sign from her, and those signs

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:34.680
<v Speaker 2>would make me know I was going to be okay.

0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:38.440
<v Speaker 2>It was when I was buried alive. It sounds crazy,

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.239
<v Speaker 2>but like you just the I think the energy is

0:50:41.600 --> 0:50:44.360
<v Speaker 2>always there, right, So I was buried alive and I

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:48.399
<v Speaker 2>was like it was all cloudy and I was like, mom,

0:50:48.600 --> 0:50:50.080
<v Speaker 2>can you give me a sign? And right when I

0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:51.680
<v Speaker 2>said it, I'm not even kidding, it was like the

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:53.840
<v Speaker 2>clouds opened and the sun came through. It was like

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 2>an immediate thing. When I was in the box in

0:50:56.880 --> 0:51:00.239
<v Speaker 2>London forty four days day forty, I was having these

0:51:00.400 --> 0:51:03.200
<v Speaker 2>terrible heart palpitations, like I mean no, but I thought

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I was going to die or something, right, and I

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 2>and I went in my head again. Bob gave me aside,

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 2>like you know, what should I do? And at that

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.080
<v Speaker 2>exact moment, you know, I could see the tower Bridge

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:16.800
<v Speaker 2>over there, and this is day forty. I had to

0:51:16.840 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 2>go to day forty four and there was a bunch

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of people yelling, you know, from from the tower bridge

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 2>and I look over and I'm not even kidding. Right

0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 2>when I said that, they open up this banner that

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:31.880
<v Speaker 2>they made and it just said God is Love and

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:37.680
<v Speaker 2>exactly and that word yes. So it was like it's

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.840
<v Speaker 2>like the energy is just there and she so so

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 2>basically when she wasn't there, she was, she's even more.

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, It's like her presence became so strong.

0:51:49.840 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>That's sowerful. Yeah, that's really special.

0:51:53.440 --> 0:51:58.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you look for her and I don't need to? Yeah,

0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.600
<v Speaker 2>well yeah, yeah, I didn't think of that, but yeah.

0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I've had a couple of experiences recently. I was officiating

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:10.960
<v Speaker 1>a wedding not last Christmas, the Christmas before December before,

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and the couple that I had introduced had met through

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:19.920
<v Speaker 1>meditations that I had led for them, and so I

0:52:20.000 --> 0:52:23.120
<v Speaker 1>was leading a meditation for their wedding ceremony because they

0:52:23.280 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I'd asked for it, And so me and the couple

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>closed their eyes during that period, but the rest of

0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>the audience I think some of them probably joined in.

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:35.919
<v Speaker 1>Some people don't want to join it, so they didn't

0:52:35.960 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>join it. And it was amazing because we were Interulom

0:52:40.360 --> 0:52:43.320
<v Speaker 1>in Mexico and this I had my eyes closed, I

0:52:43.360 --> 0:52:48.719
<v Speaker 1>didn't see it, but this huge blue butterfly flew from

0:52:48.760 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 1>between the couple and then flew throughout the whole audience,

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and for those who had their eyes open sore, and

0:52:53.800 --> 0:52:55.480
<v Speaker 1>for most of us who had our eyes closed, we

0:52:55.520 --> 0:52:58.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't see it. And then we found out later on

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:00.960
<v Speaker 1>that the lady who's getting married, she has a blue

0:53:01.000 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 1>butterfly on her neck. Because it represents her father who

0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 1>is passed on and we didn't see it because we

0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>had a rise towards meditation, but beautifully just and there's

0:53:14.120 --> 0:53:16.160
<v Speaker 1>just one barfly. No one really saw it. And it's

0:53:16.200 --> 0:53:18.439
<v Speaker 1>just I love things like that when people have such

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 1>a strong semblance to signs.

0:53:21.239 --> 0:53:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are signs everywhere if you pay attention to them,

0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 2>if you look for them, if you're open to them,

0:53:26.760 --> 0:53:29.120
<v Speaker 2>and it's easy to block off from all that stuff,

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:32.200
<v Speaker 2>but it's like, yeah, if you open to it, it's everywhere.

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:33.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's what I love about the way you think

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:35.839
<v Speaker 1>about it, because I think there's a lot of illusionists

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 1>in the world who almost see illusion as a way

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 1>of saying there are no there is no mysticism in

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:45.960
<v Speaker 1>the world. There's a lot of illusionists wh will say, oh, yeah,

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:48.880
<v Speaker 1>because I can explain everything. It kind of proves that

0:53:49.000 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 1>there is no right other worldly, supernatural or mystic or

0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:55.360
<v Speaker 1>whatever language you want to use for it.

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.960
<v Speaker 2>But you seem to have somewhat of a well, it's yeah,

0:53:59.040 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's more about like being open to it.

0:54:01.600 --> 0:54:03.800
<v Speaker 2>So if you're open to it, you'll you'll find it

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.400
<v Speaker 2>because that's what you're looking for, right, But if you're like,

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:09.800
<v Speaker 2>then you won't. And it's like, I feel like the

0:54:10.840 --> 0:54:13.440
<v Speaker 2>better approach is to be open to it so you

0:54:14.200 --> 0:54:16.400
<v Speaker 2>can experience these incredible things.

0:54:16.600 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, what's one of the most amazing things you've

0:54:18.760 --> 0:54:20.040
<v Speaker 1>experienced by being open?

0:54:20.760 --> 0:54:24.080
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean just by being just like, you know,

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:27.480
<v Speaker 2>watching my daughter just grow and you know that's the

0:54:27.600 --> 0:54:32.080
<v Speaker 2>most amazing and watching who she becomes. And you say that,

0:54:32.480 --> 0:54:36.760
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, when you need those signs, if you're open

0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:39.640
<v Speaker 2>to it, they'll be there. And if you're close to it,

0:54:39.760 --> 0:54:42.440
<v Speaker 2>you'll never see them because you're like, nah, you know what.

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:44.279
<v Speaker 2>I kept writing my journal when I was in the

0:54:44.360 --> 0:54:46.480
<v Speaker 2>box of ourvideos. That's the only thing I really brought

0:54:46.680 --> 0:54:49.560
<v Speaker 2>was no toothbrush, no nothing. But I had a journal

0:54:49.840 --> 0:54:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and a couple of pens, and I kept writing. Everything

0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>is perspective. Everything is how you decide to see. Because

0:54:56.719 --> 0:54:59.720
<v Speaker 2>people kept saying, are you bored in the box, I'm like, boredom?

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:03.399
<v Speaker 2>Is it choice? Like you choose to be bored because

0:55:03.440 --> 0:55:07.720
<v Speaker 2>your mind has so many things that can think about, create, do, wonder,

0:55:08.040 --> 0:55:11.520
<v Speaker 2>dream everything. So it's like, so, so those two things

0:55:11.560 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 2>are the things that that are all over that journal.

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:17.600
<v Speaker 2>Everything is perspective and bored him is a choice. And

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.799
<v Speaker 2>then there was a lot of numbers and mapping out

0:55:19.920 --> 0:55:23.600
<v Speaker 2>like the amount of time and graphs and but those

0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:26.800
<v Speaker 2>were two of the very strong prominent thoughts of what

0:55:27.000 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 2>I learned and became very clear to me during that

0:55:31.520 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 2>forty four day fast. It opened me up to so

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:36.800
<v Speaker 2>many thoughts, and it was like this clarity that that

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I that I never get because there's very few distracts,

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:44.359
<v Speaker 2>no phone, no this, no that, no food, no distractions really,

0:55:44.480 --> 0:55:47.879
<v Speaker 2>so you suddenly you become hyper aware, like you're it's

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:50.800
<v Speaker 2>like a heightened sense of awareness and everything becomes intense

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and beautiful, and which is probably what you were doing

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:55.800
<v Speaker 2>for the three years.

0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:58.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we were talking about it earlier, Like you start

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.920
<v Speaker 1>realizing that this guy is not just blue. There's so

0:56:01.000 --> 0:56:04.560
<v Speaker 1>many different variations that not every leaf you see is green.

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:07.239
<v Speaker 1>There's so many variations. But if you look on an

0:56:07.239 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>average day, it's like, oh, this guy's blue, the trees

0:56:09.840 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 1>are green, Like we have this we kind of have

0:56:12.160 --> 0:56:15.640
<v Speaker 1>this almost veneer or this lens we put on everything

0:56:16.200 --> 0:56:18.840
<v Speaker 1>which makes it all the same. And you look at

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:21.200
<v Speaker 1>that in society too, where like you go down most

0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>city centers, every shop is the same. We see the

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.440
<v Speaker 1>same coffee shop. Everywhere you see the same like, you know,

0:56:27.520 --> 0:56:30.120
<v Speaker 1>we homogenize everything in the world. Yeah, and there's a

0:56:30.200 --> 0:56:32.840
<v Speaker 1>sense of comfort. There's a sense of comfort when you

0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:36.279
<v Speaker 1>see I remember my friend was given us a tour

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.040
<v Speaker 1>of Oxford. He was studying at Oxford University, and he

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:40.799
<v Speaker 1>was going around. He was saying, this is where Lord

0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of the Rings was written, and this is where Alice

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in Wonderland was written. He was giving me this and

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:47.279
<v Speaker 1>me and him were like loving this. And we were

0:56:47.320 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 1>with someone and then we walked into the town center

0:56:50.320 --> 0:56:52.359
<v Speaker 1>and they were like, oh my god, there's an urban

0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:55.840
<v Speaker 1>outfits here. It's like the clothes store. And we're all like,

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 1>what is wrong with you? But it's like for them,

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that was a sense of comfort. Yeah. I was like,

0:57:01.000 --> 0:57:03.040
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, like this is what Alice in Wonderland

0:57:03.120 --> 0:57:03.520
<v Speaker 1>has written.

0:57:03.719 --> 0:57:08.240
<v Speaker 2>Everything is perspective and that person maybe just as excited

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 2>about that as this person is about this, which is

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:13.400
<v Speaker 2>amazing and it's so fascinating.

0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:15.239
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, who have you met or what have

0:57:15.360 --> 0:57:19.680
<v Speaker 1>you done that is just shifted your perspective the most

0:57:19.720 --> 0:57:22.560
<v Speaker 1>in the last few decades. Is this a person you met,

0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:23.400
<v Speaker 1>a place you went to.

0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:27.920
<v Speaker 2>That just I mean there's so many it's just a

0:57:28.600 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 2>well books books or that's like a big one, right,

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>and just books just you know. I think like what

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 2>books do to the mind is identical to what exercise

0:57:39.680 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 2>and does for the body. That's the main problem with

0:57:42.720 --> 0:57:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the phones is it's really taken away, Like my ability

0:57:45.640 --> 0:57:47.920
<v Speaker 2>to just read a book has changed because I'm so

0:57:48.120 --> 0:57:51.320
<v Speaker 2>distracted by you know. So it's like but it's like

0:57:51.520 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 2>just being able to like open up your mind and

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 2>and explore these incredible worlds that were meticulously done by

0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>these brilliant writers. Is that studied psychology and philosophy and

0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:07.880
<v Speaker 2>that outpouring of of of just you know, knowledge. But

0:58:09.240 --> 0:58:11.640
<v Speaker 2>so I think books would be the first thing that

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.480
<v Speaker 2>have like that have like.

0:58:13.600 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Impacted any favorites, anyone that you saw.

0:58:17.360 --> 0:58:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Cervantes then his life story was incredible. Servantes, he's fascinating,

0:58:23.160 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 2>And then Don Quixote is like one of the most

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:29.200
<v Speaker 2>I think one of the most important books written. In

0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.520
<v Speaker 2>many ways, his story is incredible because he was the

0:58:32.600 --> 0:58:35.840
<v Speaker 2>son of a surgeon. He grew up very poor Servantes,

0:58:36.320 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 2>so he went to fight for his country and during

0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:42.360
<v Speaker 2>during the Inquisition, I guess he was maimed on his

0:58:42.520 --> 0:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>left sides. He was paralyzed on his left side, he

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't use his arm, and he was given the equivalent

0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of a purple heart. So on his way back, the

0:58:50.760 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 2>boat was seized, like they took him captive, and he

0:58:55.400 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 2>was tortured and beaten for years. Right, he wasn't able

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 2>to really, he couldn't get out, and his brother finally

0:59:04.560 --> 0:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>raised enough money that he was by the way from

0:59:07.920 --> 0:59:11.000
<v Speaker 2>the monasteries. Whether they raised enough money. When he came out,

0:59:11.720 --> 0:59:14.200
<v Speaker 2>they gave him a job as a tax collector, and

0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:15.960
<v Speaker 2>he didn't want to do that. He didn't want to

0:59:16.040 --> 0:59:19.480
<v Speaker 2>collect taxes because he thought, like, if I'm doing this

0:59:19.680 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 2>to a mother of six and she you know, she

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:25.360
<v Speaker 2>can't afford this, I don't want to do this. They

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<v Speaker 2>ended up putting him in jail for I think twelve years.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was in prison, he wrote Don Quixote, which

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<v Speaker 2>is this book about a guy that wants to save

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<v Speaker 2>the world, to make the world a better place. But

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<v Speaker 2>he finished it. When he came out. The book was

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<v Speaker 2>published and it became like the number one book in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>But the book publisher, I don't think they ever really

0:59:50.440 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 2>paid him. So this this book that became like the

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<v Speaker 2>Shakespeare even wrote an entire play about one character in

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<v Speaker 2>the book called Cardinio, which is that characteris edible, but

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<v Speaker 2>that when he was basically when he came out, they

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<v Speaker 2>never gave him his his his his earnings, and he

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<v Speaker 2>died completely broken. The story of Don Quixote is a

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<v Speaker 2>guy that wants to make the world a better place,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not possible, you know, which is what his

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<v Speaker 2>mission was. Yeah, well that's a great book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. How does that speak to you now, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how does his dilemma speak?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's related to everything right, hope for the

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<v Speaker 2>best and expect the worst. It's the theme of his book.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a beautiful statement that it

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of from F. Scott Fitzgerald who said that

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<v Speaker 1>the sign of a first rate intelligence is the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time. So one should be able to look around

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<v Speaker 1>and see that everything is hopeless, but still be determined

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<v Speaker 1>to make.

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<v Speaker 2>It to be hopeful.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly like that ability to Yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right to absorb to to truly, Yeah, because the brain's

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<v Speaker 2>not meant to be malleable. So it's like, you think

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<v Speaker 2>one way, and it's very hard to unthink that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>very hard to change the direction of what you accept

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<v Speaker 2>and what you like. But you're right, that sign of

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence is the ability to grow and learn and scrap

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<v Speaker 2>previous ideas and change the way you think and continue

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<v Speaker 2>to break everything that you think you know.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's literally what you do in a physical, tangible

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<v Speaker 1>mental way, because everything about you knows that putting a

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<v Speaker 1>blade close to your body cuts it, that being close

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<v Speaker 1>to a black mamber like kills you. Like that that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you're you're literally living that. Because I'm intrigued to

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<v Speaker 1>know this because you're one of the most unrelatable people

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<v Speaker 1>on the planet, because you've done things that even if

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<v Speaker 1>you explain them and even if we watch you do them,

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<v Speaker 1>nine nine point nine percent of people even more than that,

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<v Speaker 1>that's even a low percentage, have no idea what it

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<v Speaker 1>even feels like, how does that feel?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think of it like that. Okay, Actually, I

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<v Speaker 2>think everybody has their their thing, Like, everybody has that

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<v Speaker 2>thing that they're like, it's the same thing. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>it just it speaks differently. Yeah, And it just speaks differently. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think everybody, like if you look into every

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<v Speaker 2>single person, there's like you can find, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like things that you can't understand or you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's amazing to like explore that, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like that perspective. I like that perspective. Everyone has.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone can feel that way if they want to. It's

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<v Speaker 1>they do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like everybody has their thing that's unique to them.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be that, and there's so many, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like it's like the skill that I respect on

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<v Speaker 2>my mother being the best mother ever, right that, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's hard. That's like complete surrender, dedication and belief.

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<v Speaker 1>And past you know, that's that's a special source.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's there. That's their passion, that's what that's what

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<v Speaker 2>lights their fire.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you avoided You avoided fire for a while, like

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<v Speaker 1>you was wanting to do that. You finally succeed with

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge dives. I mean, how did that feel? Why

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<v Speaker 1>were you avoiding it?

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<v Speaker 2>It just never came together properly, Like it just never

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<v Speaker 2>The idea was planted in my head, but it never

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<v Speaker 2>really came to It never came together properly. But then

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<v Speaker 2>when I went to Brazil and I met these incredible

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<v Speaker 2>you know, high divers. The Carina who had like walked

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<v Speaker 2>over traversed a volcano and by the way, she she

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<v Speaker 2>almost died doing that. She was bleeding through her mouth

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<v Speaker 2>and she couldn't even breathe. But when you look at

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<v Speaker 2>the images of her walking across a volcano lake, it's whoa.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so there was a man Andre who's this

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<v Speaker 2>fire genius that just respect becks and love fires the

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<v Speaker 2>same way Neville does with the Black Mambas. They helped

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<v Speaker 2>me put together this this idea of just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing something off of a bridge on fire and that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was it was amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, but you you had a set amount of

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<v Speaker 1>time that you had to like, right quick, Yeah it

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<v Speaker 1>was quick. Yeah, it was quick. Yeah. Did it live

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<v Speaker 1>up to your feeling of wanting to do with fire?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Do I want to do it the game? Yeah? No, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah yeah. Because you're always thinking like, oh, well, you

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<v Speaker 2>know it was bright out, it was a nighttime would

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<v Speaker 2>have been you know, so yeah, you're always thinking about like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's not like the Box, which is one

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<v Speaker 2>I can't ever do again. That's one that's like that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So my the way that this show can was. My

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<v Speaker 2>concept was if something can be done by one, it

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<v Speaker 2>can be done by others, right, And I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>part of what happens, is like somebody does something and

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else, Oh, this guy ran a mile and four minutes,

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<v Speaker 2>so that I can break it. And then it's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like a continual like part that I love is one

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<v Speaker 2>thing leads to another. You push somebody, the idea opens up.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea opens up that you can do anything, or

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<v Speaker 2>you can do something you didn't think was possible, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it just snowballs and it affects people around. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what's interesting about the magicians that I love,

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<v Speaker 2>is they create this fantasy land. Right, they do these

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<v Speaker 2>things that seem impossible. But the ones that I like

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<v Speaker 2>are really doing things that are actually possible, but we

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<v Speaker 2>think it's not possible. And then it relates to everybody

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<v Speaker 2>because anybody that wants to do, Oh I want to

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<v Speaker 2>write a book, they can write a book. Right, you

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<v Speaker 2>just have to believe in Oh I want to direct

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, they can direct a movie. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>be a photographer for National Geograph, they can be a photographer.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like I want to do this. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to build a rocket. It's unlimited, so I think, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the thing that I love about, the search

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<v Speaker 2>for people that are doing things that to me feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it's as close to magic as possible because it

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<v Speaker 2>defies what we know to be possible. Well, I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's what's amazing about humanity is we just keep improving,

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<v Speaker 2>and we keep learning, and we keep evolving to become

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<v Speaker 2>better and better and better. So so yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 2>think part of the search for these fascinating people, or

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<v Speaker 2>this love of magic, stems from that idea that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>is basically the same, like there is nobody that's different things,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can apply that thinking to anything. And so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm inspired by the people that do these things, not

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<v Speaker 2>just magicians, but the people have been searching for throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the world that just push the limits of what we

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<v Speaker 2>would assume to be possible.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that answer. Yeah, that's brilliant, that idea that

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<v Speaker 1>every single person gets to kind of pass on the batter, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the idea of like I open up the door

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<v Speaker 1>and now it's open. And I always ask people, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>find your monk. And what I mean by that is

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<v Speaker 1>if I didn't meet this monk, the entire trajectory of

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<v Speaker 1>my life wouldn't have shifted and changed. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>meeting this one person right completely pivoted my whole life journey.

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<v Speaker 1>And whoever that is for me were open to it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've understood that that's right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We also need to be open to that. Like, who's

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<v Speaker 1>that person who could just completely or perspective that could

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<v Speaker 1>completely shift and change your trajectory? That's right, it's pretty phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not and anybody. And what's nice about that

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<v Speaker 2>is then therefore it's like anything can inspire you to do,

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<v Speaker 2>to do anything that you that you want or that

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<v Speaker 2>you dream of her. And that's the stuff that once again,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I love about. When I studied these incredible performers,

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<v Speaker 2>these magicians, these vaudavillions, these dime circus, I would read

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<v Speaker 2>these things. I'd say, wait, how is this guy human aquarium?

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<v Speaker 2>Like does that make sense? But he couldn't. Houdini wrote

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<v Speaker 2>about mac Norton the human Aquarium. But I'm like, but wait,

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<v Speaker 2>he couldn't have fooled to Deani because Whudini is a magician.

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<v Speaker 2>He's looking for the trick and if Houdini's saying, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy's really doing it, it has to be real. So

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<v Speaker 2>that just let that was like the planting of the seed. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like and just all these fascinating characters throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the history of magic, and there's like these surreal images

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<v Speaker 2>of these posters that these magicians created that when you

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<v Speaker 2>look at them, it's like this, it's like this fantastical, mystical,

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<v Speaker 2>magical world. So it's like, and that's what I think

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<v Speaker 2>great books do, is they open up your mind, They

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<v Speaker 2>open up your thinking to this, like to this, to this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like not just beauty, it's it's it's your imagination,

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<v Speaker 2>it's your creations, it's your visualization. And then it's like

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<v Speaker 2>converting that into through repetition, failure, practice, repeat into whatever

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<v Speaker 2>you and and by the way, you shoot for this

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<v Speaker 2>and then it may end up here, but that you

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<v Speaker 2>shop and so you know, and it's a constant, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>which is part of the thing that I love about

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<v Speaker 2>all these types of feelings or or people or or inspirations,

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<v Speaker 2>Like you found your your monk who led you into

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<v Speaker 2>this whole your brain change you open the door, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seems like that's why you will never be

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<v Speaker 1>done because that's what drives you.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why we'll all never be done.

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<v Speaker 1>David, You've been so generous with your time. I've loved

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<v Speaker 1>every moment of this. You are truly one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most fascinating people I've ever spoken to. And we end

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<v Speaker 1>on purpose with a final five of fast five. These

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<v Speaker 1>have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so these are your David Blaine, these are your final five.

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<v Speaker 1>Question Number one, what is the best life advice you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I like, always surround yourself with people that

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<v Speaker 2>will inspire you and help you grow.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good one good advice. Question number two,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't go for your dream? Don't you're not going to succeed.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't even bother worst advice?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think a lot of people have had that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you listen to the people that are that, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna know you cannot. You have to go for You

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<v Speaker 2>have to at least try. By the way, you may fail,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you keep failing, eventually you're probably gonna do

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<v Speaker 2>some thing. You'll get, you know, some version of what

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if you wanted your life to leave behind three messages,

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<v Speaker 1>what would they be?

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<v Speaker 2>That you can find magic everywhere, you know, the connections

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<v Speaker 2>between there's like the way I feel with my daughter,

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<v Speaker 2>finding that connection that surrendered that love is that's the

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<v Speaker 2>most beautiful thing that I have ever experienced. And then

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<v Speaker 2>one more thing. I guess it goes to the first thing,

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<v Speaker 2>which is just to try to always experience that feeling

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<v Speaker 2>of wonder, like always be amazed. Allow yourself to be amazed,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, allow yourself to Yeah what we were talking at,

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<v Speaker 2>allow yourself to see the blue in the sky, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I love allow I love that. Allow yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>be amazed because today, yeah, we don't allow ourselves because

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<v Speaker 1>we're kind of used to it. We don't even realize

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<v Speaker 1>even though we all make phones look bad, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is actually phenomenal that exists. It's amazing that allow yourself

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<v Speaker 1>to be amazed. A is a great line. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that question number four. When your mother left you with

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<v Speaker 1>the words God is love. What does that mean to you?

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<v Speaker 2>To it means love is God. God is love. Like

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<v Speaker 2>the feeling of love, the surrender that is everything, that's that,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that that is what life is about. That that's

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<v Speaker 2>what life is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the ultimate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the giving into that feeling, which we're all very guarded.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm super guarded, and like you said, as

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<v Speaker 2>a magician, I'm super skeptical. But at the same time,

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<v Speaker 2>I still do believe there's so much that we don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't understand. And we're all connected to this

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<v Speaker 2>one We're we're all part of this one connection. We're

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<v Speaker 2>all connected, we're all made of the same molecules and atoms.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think we're everything is connected, and everything is one,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't think there's a beginning or an andy,

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<v Speaker 2>and energy isn't either created nor destroyed, so it's always it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth and final question, if you could be asked this

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<v Speaker 1>every guest who's ever been on the show, if you

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<v Speaker 1>could create one law that everyone in the world had

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<v Speaker 1>to follow, what would it be?

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<v Speaker 2>Wow? So one law.

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<v Speaker 1>It can be as tangible or intangible as you like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So then it should be the law of love.

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<v Speaker 1>Simple.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'd like just that surrender that like, because that's

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<v Speaker 2>there's no ego in that, there's.

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<v Speaker 1>No no ego. Is definitely it, but it's so hard.

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<v Speaker 2>To you know, it's like we're so locked in all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff. But yeah, giving up just like surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>When do you feel you have the least ego? When

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<v Speaker 1>do you feel you experience no ego?

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<v Speaker 2>When I'm with my daughter is it's like that's like

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<v Speaker 2>everything disappears.

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<v Speaker 1>David Blaine, thank you so much for your time, your energy.

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<v Speaker 1>looking forward to it. And congratulations my friend, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Really wonderful getting to know you for you too, Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you If you love this podcast you love my episode

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<v Speaker 1>with Lewis Hamilton. Lewis and I talk about why you

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<v Speaker 1>should stop chasing society's definition of success and how to

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<v Speaker 1>be more intentional with your goals. You don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>miss it like. It's not about being perfect. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>just every day, one step at a time, trying to

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<v Speaker 1>be better, trying to do more. I'm learning a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about myself. I had to break myself down in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to be better.