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Speaker 1: You were in it for forty four days.

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Speaker 2: I was on the edge of irreversible organ failure. I

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Speaker 2: You just went for it, took an X ray. The

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Speaker 1: Podcast Jetty Jay Sheddy Rely, Hey everyone, welcome back to

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Speaker 1: On Purpose. I am so excited for today because I'm

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Speaker 1: And this is one of those moments that I look

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Speaker 1: bad right now. So I'm so pumped. I'm sitting down

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Speaker 1: with the world's most iconic illusionist, endurance artist, and mentalist,

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Speaker 1: from death defying stunts to pushing the limits of human potential.

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Speaker 1: He spent his career redefining what's possible, and his latest series,

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Speaker 1: Do Not Attempt, premiers March twenty third on National Geographic.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show, David Blaine. David, I get

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Speaker 1: to sit down with a lot of cool people. But

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Speaker 1: when I heard you were coming on and we made

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Speaker 1: this happen, I honestly, I've felt like a kid the

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Speaker 1: whole time. You got captivated by a subway trick when

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Speaker 1: you were like four years old. That's what kind of

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Speaker 2: It also kept it was a bunch of things. Side

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Speaker 2: Another thing was seeing the guys in Coney Island that

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Speaker 2: Then people that were in the subways. I would watch

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when did your mother realize that this was a

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Speaker 1: It's really special. It's amazing to see that. What does

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Speaker 2: Her do anything, I'm like, mind blowing. It's incredible.

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Speaker 2: I remember the good energy. That was something that changed

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Speaker 2: like I would get emotional just by like looking at somebody,

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Speaker 2: But there's like around twenty eight days, it says that

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Speaker 1: That's amazing, I mean, but hearing about it from the

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Speaker 2: Well, I started fasting. Actually, I read said Arthur by

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Speaker 2: Hermas when I was young, I think like eleven twelve

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Speaker 2: And I was fascinating with that principle. And then I

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Speaker 2: would just try to test myself with simple things, you know,

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Speaker 2: enduring the cold, holding my breath, things like that. But

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Speaker 2: an X ray. And then when we took the x ray,

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Speaker 2: we saw that the knife was on the edge of

437
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Speaker 2: the nervousness. So it was really at that like exact line,

438
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Speaker 2: you know, But again you're not it doesn't make sense.

439
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Speaker 2: But once again, you know, people have survived lots of

440
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Speaker 2: crazy things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how did you know how far back to not

442
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Speaker 1: let it go like you were that close on that scat?

443
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know I. Yeah, and I

444
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Speaker 2: trusted him who has done this so many times. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: God, I mean when I see you do this stuff.

446
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Speaker 1: The question I always ask myself when I'm watching you

447
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Speaker 1: is like, is there anything that you're actually scared of?

448
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Speaker 2: Just something happening to my daughter. But by the way,

449
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Speaker 2: but these things when magicians or anybody are telling me,

450
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Speaker 2: oh well, I say, do the card tricks because that's

451
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452
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Speaker 1: are there are lots of magicians, illusionist people that have

477
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Speaker 1: died trying to do crazy things like what are they?

478
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there is actually funny enough, like the bullet catch

479
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 2: killed twelve magicians, but they were doing it as a trick,

480
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Speaker 2: and the guy that was doing it for real wasn't

481
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Speaker 2: a magician. He was just catching bullets and a little

482
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Speaker 2: cup in his mouth and he did it hundreds of

483
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Speaker 2: times and he was okay. But twelve magicians that were

484
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Speaker 2: doing it is a trick, that were witching bullets out

485
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, twelve of them died. And I'm

486
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Speaker 2: not laughing, but twelve of them died doing it as

487
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Speaker 2: a trick.

488
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Speaker 1: That's crazy. Yeah, what was difference about the guy that

489
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Speaker 1: was actually doing it? What was he doing differently?

490
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Speaker 2: He was catching the bullet and the metal cup in

491
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Speaker 2: his mouth. I think one time it sliced to his cheek,

492
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Speaker 2: but yeah, he pulled it off.

493
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Speaker 1: Would you ever try the bullet cat?

494
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Speaker 2: No? I did it?

495
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yoh, sorry, Yeah I did it.

496
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Speaker 2: I had my best friend. It's funny because I'm looking

497
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Speaker 2: at don't shoot. So my best friend's a magician and

498
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Speaker 2: I saw him shoot a cup far away with a

499
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Speaker 2: baby gun. I was like, will you do the bullet

500
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Speaker 2: catch with me? And somehow I convinced him to do

501
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: it because he didn't want somebody else to mess up

502
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 2: and he knew he would get the mark, so he

503
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Speaker 2: did it. I caught the bullet. That was kind of crazy.

504
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Speaker 2: But then I wanted to do it again, but I

505
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Speaker 2: didn't want to have anybody shoot me because I didn't

506
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Speaker 2: want to make anybody that uncomfort. So I put a

507
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Speaker 2: string on the trigger of a rifle, a twenty two

508
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: long bullet, and I pulled the string and caught it

509
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Speaker 2: in that metal cup. Another thing nobody should ever do.

510
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Speaker 1: So you were saying, no one should apart from you

511
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Speaker 1: putting yourself at risk, Ideally nothing else should get hurt

512
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Speaker 1: during the trip.

513
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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, for sure, Yeah, that's right. And I do

514
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Speaker 2: tricks with frogs and things like that. I've never injured

515
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Speaker 2: a frog. They're my daughter's pet frogs. I've kept them

516
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Speaker 2: for years. They've been with us, and then I give

517
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Speaker 2: them to somebody. That's when they get too big. Then

518
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: I give them to somebody that's gonna care for them.

519
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 2: And yeah, so so my doctor's kids now have these

520
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: giant frogs and by the way, they try to hold them,

521
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 2: and the frogs won't let anybody. Nobody can pick them up.

522
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Speaker 2: And I hadn't seen the frog in like a year

523
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Speaker 2: or something, and I came to his house and they

524
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: were filming it and I put my hand in and

525
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Speaker 2: I'm not kidding. The frog walked right onto my hand

526
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Speaker 2: and I lifted it up and he just sat there.

527
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Speaker 2: We underestimate these creatures, right, but there's some sort of

528
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Speaker 2: I don't know, yeah, yeah, that was whatever it is, Yeah,

529
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Speaker 2: which is crazy.

530
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Speaker 1: You are so right. We really do downplay the intelligence,

531
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Speaker 1: especially of animals. Yeah, but even humans but yau, Yeah,

532
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Speaker 1: we don't recognize it. And the body, Yeah, and the body,

533
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Speaker 1: that's right. Do you think it's interesting how the world's

534
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 1: we've focused on becoming more comfortable. What do you think

535
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Speaker 1: that's doing to us?

536
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Speaker 2: That's right, that's good because I agree that that being

537
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Speaker 2: comfortable for me, I think is always the worst thing. Ever,

538
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: when you're comfortable, you achieve nothing, you learn, nothing, you do.

539
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Speaker 2: So it's like when you're out of your comfort zone,

540
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Speaker 2: when you're breaking that, it's like that's when everything becomes

541
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Speaker 2: intense and we're alive, right, And that's probably what you

542
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: experienced when you took yourself out of your comfort zone

543
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: and live with this incredible monk is then suddenly you're

544
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: living in the moment. You're living in this heightened sense

545
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Speaker 2: of awareness and that's all from breaking the comfort zone.

546
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's so interesting because you're so right, like

547
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: we just we all naturally though, And that's what you

548
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: were saying when you were talking about the guy earlier

549
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: who nearly gouged his eye out something that you said,

550
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: which is so subtle but so powerful. You were like,

551
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Speaker 1: but when he's doing it, his body's not repelling it,

552
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: and that's why somehow it works out. And I was

553
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: thinking about it that everything you do defies what we

554
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: want to do because we're looking for comfort. But it's like,

555
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Speaker 1: how do you prep yourself to actually want discomfort? Like,

556
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Speaker 1: how do we prepare our minds and brains to actually

557
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: seek out discomfort? Because just as you said, it's actually

558
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: better for us, even for survival, even for growth of

559
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: the species, But we don't. We kind of go backwards

560
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: into reclining, Netflix and chill. That's the life. Yeah, how

561
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Speaker 1: do you get out of that? What have you done

562
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: to continuously? Well?

563
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Speaker 2: This series did that. When they were asking me what

564
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Speaker 2: I wanted to do, I said, here's the thing. So

565
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: we're talking about lots of ideas. Doug, my magician friend

566
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Speaker 2: that was here, he's the one that found d Pak

567
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: you know that in India, that did the most incredible

568
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Speaker 2: stuff I've ever mind blowing, just the way he is

569
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: able to override his body with his mind. But basically,

570
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Speaker 2: when they were coming to me with this idea, oh,

571
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 2: this one, that one. I said, here's the thing only

572
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Speaker 2: present to me, the ideas that when you tell me

573
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Speaker 2: about them, it makes you uncomfortable just saying that we're

574
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Speaker 2: going to go be a part of You know, I

575
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: wanted it to be. I wanted to be that. And

576
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Speaker 2: I think that's a big thing that I'd like to

577
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Speaker 2: do is put myself in major discomfort so I can.

578
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Speaker 2: So it wakes me up, you know, it brings me

579
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Speaker 2: to life.

580
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Speaker 1: How did you train yourself to get then to do that?

581
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Speaker 1: Because I want to help people most who was sitting

582
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Speaker 1: here going you know what? I agree with David like,

583
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to go and you know, put a

584
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Speaker 1: knife down my nose, which he's not encouraging me either,

585
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Speaker 1: But I want to be able to push the boundaries

586
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Speaker 1: in my own growth, in my own life. How did

587
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: you kind of you've gone to the full extreme of it.

588
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,479
Speaker 1: How do we kind of get to three out ten?

589
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: I think it starts with baby steps. I think you

590
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: just go push yourself to do pub speak in front

591
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Speaker 2: of a classroom public. You know, I was super intimidated

592
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Speaker 2: by public speaking and I could do magic, but I

593
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: wasn't I was like, I'm not going to speak, so

594
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted my brother to go to the

595
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Speaker 2: TED conference, so I agreed to like stand up and

596
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Speaker 2: speak for the first time with Nomad, just just do

597
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Speaker 2: a talk. And it was it was horrific for me.

598
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 2: It was like it was and I didn't sleep for

599
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: days on end before it, but also months before I

600
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: was working on the notes, writing it down, putting all

601
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Speaker 2: the thoughts on, and that part of it was already

602
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: incredible because then you're like it, but then I had

603
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 2: to get up and do it, and that was really

604
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: that was like. But then as soon as you start

605
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Speaker 2: and I put myself in the boiling speaking at TED

606
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Speaker 2: for your first time, I didn't go do little talks.

607
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: I started there right, So it's like, by by doing that,

608
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 2: suddenly I shocked the system. And now I went on

609
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: a speaking tour for like a year. I would do

610
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: dates in all different noises, and what I would do

611
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: is I would I wouldn't thoroughly prepare. I would kind

612
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 2: of just go out there and put myself in front

613
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Speaker 2: of everybody, and I would say often it was uncomfortable,

614
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: and often it didn't work, and often the audience didn't

615
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 2: react you know what I mean. It was like one

616
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Speaker 2: of the But eventually, after doing it over and over

617
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: and over and over and over, it really helped and

618
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: I really understood it changed the way I thought about

619
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Speaker 2: public speaking. But what it really did is it helped

620
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Speaker 2: me when I was doing magic because now I had like,

621
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Speaker 2: now the magic was a conversation. The point of breaking

622
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: your comfort zone. It could be anything. It could be

623
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Speaker 2: get up and do a talk. It could be, uh,

624
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Speaker 2: you know, go out, sit in the sauna, go in

625
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Speaker 2: the steam.

626
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Speaker 1: Room, jump in to Copeland.

627
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I think it's baby steps that can help

628
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: you kind of figure out how to do something, but

629
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Speaker 2: it could be to anything.

630
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Speaker 1: I love how giving a TED talk is harder for.

631
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Speaker 2: You than like, way harder. I love that it was

632
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Speaker 2: way harder. Given the TED talk for me was probably

633
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Speaker 2: more difficult than holding my breath for.

634
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Speaker 1: The twenty minutes two seconds.

635
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that talk, by the way, is when you

636
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Speaker 2: watch it down, it's it's exactly the length of my

637
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Speaker 2: actual breatholder two. No, it just worked out that way.

638
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Speaker 2: It's crazy. Twenty oh two was the actual breath all

639
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Speaker 2: the time, and the talk when you time it out

640
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Speaker 2: was I think it was almost twenty oh two.

641
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Speaker 1: Well, and that was hard for me.

642
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Speaker 2: The talk was more uncomfortable, more difficult than the breath all.

643
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Speaker 1: I mean, holding your breath for twenty minutes and two

644
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Speaker 1: seconds is insanity.

645
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Speaker 2: Well, now the record's twenty four minutes and three seconds.

646
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Speaker 1: You're going to go back.

647
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Speaker 2: I don't think it's safe at this point. That's what

648
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: you were saying. It's like you push yourself too far.

649
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Speaker 2: You can, you can, you could do not just irreversible

650
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: day it might be like game over. And I'm paranoid

651
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 2: about that stuff because one of my favorite magicians, Harry Houdini,

652
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 2: he was punching his stomach hypothetically, or he had a

653
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: ruptured to pen, whatever he had, he shouldn't have done

654
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 2: his stage show. He was feeling ill, he was in

655
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 2: lots of pain, but he didn't want to let the

656
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 2: audience down. Went in the show, He did his whole show,

657
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: got in the water tank. After the water tank, when

658
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,439
Speaker 2: he came out, he collapsed on the stage. They rushed

659
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,879
Speaker 2: into a hospitle and he died. So I do think

660
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 2: there's a limit to what the body can endure. And

661
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: things go wrong very easily and you're not prepared for them.

662
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: So there is a balance to all that stuff.

663
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: Well, you had that crazy fall at your Vegas show

664
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: right like a couple of years.

665
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 2: Exactly, and I feel like I got lucky because just

666
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 2: my arm, my shoulder went down to my armpit. That

667
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 2: was terrible, but I mean it could have been my

668
00:34:55,520 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 2: neck back. So my Vegas show I wanted to by

669
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 2: I put a light light truss all the way up

670
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: and it was shaky and things which I thought would

671
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: be funny, and I climbed up and in the beginning,

672
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 2: I think I was jumping like sixty eight feet sixty

673
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: eight feet, and I put cardboard boxes down where the

674
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 2: seats were and I would jump down into the boxes.

675
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 2: But I was doing three shows per month, which is

676
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 2: like the max that I could even tolerate. But my

677
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: stunt guy, Jim Churchan, was helping put that together. He's like,

678
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: we gotta be careful because it's about twenty jess a

679
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 2: force and you can't keep doing this over and over.

680
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 2: You're getting something's gonna go wrong.

681
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: You know.

682
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: For some reason, I figured I could pull it off,

683
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: and I kept increasing the height because I started with

684
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 2: the idea of like, Okay, I'm gonna go up and

685
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: then I would then I would like be like, but wait,

686
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 2: can I go like, I don't know. I just wanted

687
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 2: to keep pushing it right, So I don't know what

688
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 2: the reason. I should have just been content there, but

689
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 2: I'm never content, so I'm like, I have to higher higher,

690
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: and right when I got my head next to the ceiling,

691
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 2: I jumped. And it was after I was, you know,

692
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: in Thailand, and I had a swarm of bees covering

693
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: me and I was took a bunch of stungs. I

694
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: was stung all over a bunch of things. I was

695
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 2: stung all over the place I had to go on.

696
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: I think I had to take antibaque. So I wasn't

697
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 2: probably one hundred percent when I did that jump. I

698
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 2: did the jump, and I don't know what it was.

699
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: I didn't land right or my body was like there

700
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 2: and that happened. But then I'm I think about it,

701
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: I'm like, whoa, I was lucky because that could have

702
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 2: been anything. But yeah, that so that was the end

703
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 2: of that in the show. It's never recovered properly. But nuts,

704
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: I mean, that's not a big no. That's not like

705
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 2: the box in London, which is you know major.

706
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: You feel like you're still recovering from that.

707
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 2: From the London Then it messed me up.

708
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, irreversibly, you feel like probably on some level.

709
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's other things I do that messed me up.

710
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: Like I used to drink kerosene, which I would float

711
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: on top of the water and my stomach terrible idea.

712
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: Eating the glass is really bad because there's also chemicals

713
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: in that glass and stuff like that, so aside from

714
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 2: the enamel and everything going away on your teeth. So

715
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 2: I never experienced hot and cold without such extreme ah, right,

716
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 2: So and then there's tons of little injuries, but the

717
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: ones that I'm most concerned with are those ones now

718
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 2: much more careful on some level because I have a daughter,

719
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: So I don't want something. You know, you think about

720
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 2: life differently and how you're going to push yourself differently

721
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: and what you can and can't do. Yeah, the London box.

722
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 2: I don't think I would ever do something like that again, did.

723
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: It change from the moment you held your do it

724
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: like when she was born? Like?

725
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 2: Not right when she was When she was born was

726
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: like the most incredible moment of my life. But I

727
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: still when she was like one and a half, I

728
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 2: still I did a stunt I was in, you know,

729
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: a million volts of electricity, and it went wrong. My

730
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: legs swelled up from a dima ripped through the chain.

731
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 2: I was getting shocked. I spit some elect light water

732
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 2: out and it hit the coil and went inside and

733
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 2: really messed me up. So at the end of that stunt,

734
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 2: which was seventy three hours, I said, I'm not going

735
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: to do any of these things anymore because I don't

736
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,479
Speaker 2: want something to go wrong. I have a daughter.

737
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: But when I was saying is there anything you're scared of?

738
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: You just mentioned something happening to your daughter that it's

739
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: very real.

740
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 2: When she she stretches and she goes into splits and

741
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: things that when I'm watching hers, it's so painful for me.

742
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: To while imagine how she feels when you're putting a

743
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: knife through your nurse.

744
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 2: Then I talked to her and I'm very care Yeah.

745
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: How does she react when she sees this?

746
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 2: Well, she's grown up with it, so she's I think

747
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: she's like, even though it seems super crazy, I'm pretty

748
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 2: after really trust the person that's showing me, the teacher,

749
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: and you know, the learning curve for that series was short,

750
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 2: but these are masters that have done the countless thousands

751
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 2: of hours of work, and some secrets were passed down

752
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,360
Speaker 2: to them, some they've developed on their own. It is

753
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 2: a matter of trust. And then this series, I was

754
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: very careful, even though it looks like there's so many crazy,

755
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: you know, things that I'm trying, or certain things like

756
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 2: sitting with the black mambas. It was an enclosure this

757
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 2: size of just like this space and there are six

758
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: black mambas in there. But the thing is, and I

759
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 2: was with this man named Neville, South Africa, man that

760
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: wants to show people that you don't need to when

761
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: you see a black number because they end up in schools,

762
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: they end up killing people, and it's because people react

763
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: to them and they try to push them over there,

764
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: and as soon as you do that, the black mamber

765
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: reacts back. So he sits with the mambas at peace,

766
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 2: and he's showing everybody that if you encounter a black mamba,

767
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: the best thing to do is to not be aggressive,

768
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: not act in a way that makes it uncome, just

769
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: be at peace and just stay very calm. They're very

770
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: instinctual like most animals like you. If there's some people

771
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: that go into a into a house and there's cats

772
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: that won't come out, and the cats come out with

773
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 2: some people and they go near them, right, And it's

774
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: just because that person has thissch energy this like this

775
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 2: stillness or whatever that makes the cat comfortable. And what

776
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: his point is is it's the same with the with

777
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: these feared black mambas. You just remain calm. So I

778
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: trusted him. It was the scariest thing I've ever done

779
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: in my lifetime. This is the one, oh yeah, absolutely

780
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 2: scariest thing I've ever done. And it doesn't look like

781
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: it is like when you watch it, you won't understand that.

782
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: And afrigat they call it the two step, so you

783
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: get one step and the second step and you're done.

784
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: But sitting there with them, even though I was like,

785
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 2: I knew I had to just follow it exactly what

786
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 2: he said, and I observed first, I watched him for

787
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 2: a few days and I realized he knows what he's doing.

788
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: He believes in everything that he's saying. And I sat

789
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: with him in there and then and then when one

790
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 2: started to come towards you know, when it was close,

791
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: he said, uh, you know, he said, don't worry if

792
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 2: something goes wrong, I'll take the hit. And I was like,

793
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm ready to go. I think, can I

794
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: get out of here?

795
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: Can I go?

796
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,760
Speaker 2: And He's like, nope, because you can't leave until until

797
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: it's what. You can't do any abrupt movement. So that

798
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: was the craziest thing I've ever done in my life.

799
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: You've got really close to it as well, didn't get really.

800
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: Close, but again I trusted. I trusted him completely.

801
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 1: How does someone like him build that skill without dying

802
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: in the process.

803
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: Well, he was bitting a few times, so he did

804
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: go into a cooma once. He had a snake snake

805
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 2: related injury where he lost his legs. He has one

806
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: leg and he still does it. Yeah, and he sits

807
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: with them, so people will come and see him and

808
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 2: know that if they've seen this. It kind of gets

809
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 2: a point across, like if you see a guy sitting

810
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: in a small room like this with a bunch of

811
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: black mambas, you realize, Okay, so if a black mama

812
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 2: does come into our school or to our house or wherever,

813
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: you can just stay at peace, stay calm on some level.

814
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 2: So he's protecting the people and the mambas.

815
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: And there's no way of training a mamba, so no, yeah.

816
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,359
Speaker 2: And these are wild, these are rescues. He keeps them

817
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 2: and then releases them back.

818
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, you know, yeah, I mean just listening

819
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: to that and you say, it's the hardest thing, craziest

820
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: you've ever done.

821
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 2: Not hard, but the scariest, scariest. It wasn't hard. It

822
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 2: was the opposite of heart. It's just all you have

823
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: to do is just sit still. Yeah, but you have

824
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: to stay still and you have to be you have

825
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: to be at ease.

826
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: Did you have to prepare that before you went in?

827
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: Oh, I look like I'm about to like run to

828
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,439
Speaker 2: the bathroom the whole time.

829
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: I think all of us, I think us would get

830
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: in there. There's there's an interesting thing about animals in

831
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: that way, isn't there. There's my mon teacher who spend

832
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: time in when he traveled, would live in the forests

833
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: and things like that back in the day, and he

834
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: would always talk about how animals see whether you respect

835
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: them or whether you fear them. And he would talk

836
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: about that every time he saw an animal. It was

837
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: like he'd have to bow down to the animal in

838
00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: his heart and mind, and and if he was to

839
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: do that, then the animal would know that that wasn't

840
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: a threat or there wasn't any fear, and then that

841
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: would be what created a sense of peace, that if

842
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: he could bow down and show respect, because yeah, we

843
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: we think we have to dominate and like show them

844
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,439
Speaker 1: and then they'll run away.

845
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: But it depends some you have to so it varies

846
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 2: some you have to show that you're not afraid and

847
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 2: that you're strong and you're not going to be an

848
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: easy target. Or they say with sharks, what you have

849
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: to do is if you're with the bun, if you're

850
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: around bull sharks and the usher whatever, you just look

851
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: at them and keep looking because they don't want to challenge.

852
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 2: They're so evolved, they don't want to have to waste

853
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: any energy. They're so perfect they can serve energy in

854
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: the most efficient way. So if you're looking at it,

855
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 2: it knows that it would it may get a fight back.

856
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,240
Speaker 2: But if you're not looking, then.

857
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, wow, think about energy.

858
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 2: But he sits in there for hours and when I

859
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: met him, he was just sitting with the forest cobra,

860
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 2: another snake that could easily kill you, but he's just

861
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 2: like drinking his coffee. So yeah, he was amazing.

862
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: Wow, And as he got to a place of fearlessness,

863
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: Like would he say that he feels fearless or no,

864
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: he feels no.

865
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: I think no. I think he respects and loves these snakes.

866
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,839
Speaker 2: He thinks they're beautiful and incredible. So it's not yet

867
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 2: sure he's fearless with that specifically, Yeah, but I think

868
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: it's more like he has a just such a deep

869
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 2: respectful or like you said, like you know, bowing down

870
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 2: to Yeah, it's that.

871
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,320
Speaker 1: I mean, even listening to you though, there's such a

872
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: respect for your craft and art. Like the number of

873
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: times in this conversation you've always already said like I

874
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 1: trusted the teacher, I trusted Neville, trusted Deepak, Like there's

875
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: such a respect for mentors and trust for teachers and guides,

876
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: and there's such a respect for the art and craft.

877
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,600
Speaker 1: It's not just you know, as today we kind of

878
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: make everything today just feel like entertainment, and even when

879
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: people have talents, it's kind of just like, oh yeah,

880
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,840
Speaker 1: everyone's got talents now, but it's like, actually, for you,

881
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: it's a respect and study of the craft.

882
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: I think it's the same when you met the monk,

883
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: you immediately felt his knowledge and his faith and his

884
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: beliefs and his discipline, his wisdom, right, And I think

885
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 2: with the people I've met, all of them, I felt

886
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 2: that and as soon as I felt that, I was

887
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 2: okay to try things. So I think lots of it

888
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: has to do it just trusting the person and their

889
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 2: abilities and their understanding of what they're doing, and then

890
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: and then from that it's a leap of faith.

891
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: It's beautiful to think about what you do that way,

892
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of people can kind of

893
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 1: project it as like, oh, well, David's figured it out,

894
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: but it's actually like, no, you're willing to submit yourself

895
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 1: and study and become a beginner again, right, a mindset.

896
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: That's right, And that's that's the part that's like breaking

897
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: the comfort zone is is trying something you haven't done,

898
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: trying something new, pushing yourself in a way that you're uncomfortable,

899
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: and working diligently and loving failure.

900
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 1: Right.

901
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: The failure is like, it's that's okay, The failure is amazing.

902
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: When you're performing magic, it's the failures that you learn from. Right.

903
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 2: It's like you're performing a card trick and you fail, Well,

904
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 2: that's where you learn and you're constantly learning. That's what's

905
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: amazing about being a magicians. There's a constant learning curve

906
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: and it never stops. You're always actic singer, always, even

907
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 2: if it's the same trick that you've worked on for

908
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: for me thirty years, some of them forty, whatever it is,

909
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 2: and I'm still changing, I'm still learning, and that that's

910
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 2: for me the exciting part of everything.

911
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're constantly going from becoming the expert, going back

912
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: to the beginner, become an expert. That cycle doesn't.

913
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 2: Stop, right, and therefore you're never an expert, you know.

914
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really cool. I love that. What's the illusion

915
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 1: that kept you up the most nights before you've done it,

916
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: that you've had sleepless nights over as you prepare or

917
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: get ready for it.

918
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: Probably kissing the King Kobra, just because I understood that

919
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 2: the risk was it was you know, I understood the risk,

920
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 2: So that one I was that took me a long

921
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 2: time to mentally prepare for that one took me a

922
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: long time.

923
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: How many times had you been in the pen before

924
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: you did that one? Or was that in that time

925
00:47:59,160 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: that night? No?

926
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: No, I know I took time on that one. I

927
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 2: wasn't ready so I left came back months later. I

928
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: tried to understand the behavior of the King Kobra. I

929
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:14,240
Speaker 2: met with my friends that had King Kobra's that undersea.

930
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 2: I mean that one was a pretty intense learning curve

931
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: because you know, they strike fast and yeah, if it

932
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: gets you, you know, So that I think of everything

933
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 2: I've done, that that might have been the most intimidating one.

934
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 1: Probably I think that's very legitimate kissing a King Kobra.

935
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because all of the stunts, all the other things

936
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 2: that I've done, there was no real immediate risk of death. Yes,

937
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 2: something could go wrong, but there's not a this is

938
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 2: a lights out situation, where with the King Kobra, I

939
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: understood the risk was great. So I wanted to know

940
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 2: that I had the ability to get out of the

941
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 2: way and that I could understand its movements and its timing.

942
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: And are you scared of dying?

943
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: I'm not a r of dying, but I understand. You know,

944
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: my mother died in my arm. Some I don't. And

945
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 2: the last word she said to me is God is love.

946
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 2: But since having a daughter, it's like you want to

947
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 2: live for as long as possible. But previous to having

948
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 2: a daughter, I didn't even I was like, yeah, just

949
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: whatever now because of my daughter, I want to not

950
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 2: either do something.

951
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: It's like, oo, what was it like losing your mother?

952
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 1: So sorry for your lost.

953
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: She got sick when I was sixteen. She died when

954
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 2: I was twenty. She was a warrior through it and

955
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 2: a peaceful warrior. When she died, I felt like I

956
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 2: felt like my body was like a tree and it

957
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: was like the bran, one big branch of a trig

958
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 2: or something, and it went like that. It was like

959
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 2: an immediate like broken you know. It was like I

960
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 2: never want to feel that type of pain again. It

961
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: was it was it was like literally like I felt

962
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 2: like like something broke in half. So that was that

963
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 2: was good. And I was so close to my mother

964
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: was she was my best friend, she was my world.

965
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 2: But then what started to happen was I started to

966
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: find there was like messages by the way, whenever I

967
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: did stunts. I'm not even kidding, she would always like

968
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 2: I would get a sign from her, and those signs

969
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 2: would make me know I was going to be okay.

970
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: It was when I was buried alive. It sounds crazy,

971
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 2: but like you just the I think the energy is

972
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: always there, right, So I was buried alive and I

973
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 2: was like it was all cloudy and I was like, mom,

974
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:50,080
Speaker 2: can you give me a sign? And right when I

975
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 2: said it, I'm not even kidding, it was like the

976
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: clouds opened and the sun came through. It was like

977
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 2: an immediate thing. When I was in the box in

978
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: London forty four days day forty, I was having these

979
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: terrible heart palpitations, like I mean no, but I thought

980
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: I was going to die or something, right, and I

981
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 2: and I went in my head again. Bob gave me aside,

982
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: like you know, what should I do? And at that

983
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 2: exact moment, you know, I could see the tower Bridge

984
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:16,800
Speaker 2: over there, and this is day forty. I had to

985
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: go to day forty four and there was a bunch

986
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 2: of people yelling, you know, from from the tower bridge

987
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: and I look over and I'm not even kidding. Right

988
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 2: when I said that, they open up this banner that

989
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 2: they made and it just said God is Love and

990
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 2: exactly and that word yes. So it was like it's

991
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 2: like the energy is just there and she so so

992
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 2: basically when she wasn't there, she was, she's even more.

993
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 2: You know, It's like her presence became so strong.

994
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: That's sowerful. Yeah, that's really special.

995
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you look for her and I don't need to? Yeah,

996
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 2: well yeah, yeah, I didn't think of that, but yeah.

997
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 1: I've had a couple of experiences recently. I was officiating

998
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: a wedding not last Christmas, the Christmas before December before,

999
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: and the couple that I had introduced had met through

1000
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: meditations that I had led for them, and so I

1001
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: was leading a meditation for their wedding ceremony because they

1002
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 1: I'd asked for it, And so me and the couple

1003
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: closed their eyes during that period, but the rest of

1004
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: the audience I think some of them probably joined in.

1005
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 1: Some people don't want to join it, so they didn't

1006
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: join it. And it was amazing because we were Interulom

1007
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: in Mexico and this I had my eyes closed, I

1008
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but this huge blue butterfly flew from

1009
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 1: between the couple and then flew throughout the whole audience,

1010
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: and for those who had their eyes open sore, and

1011
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: for most of us who had our eyes closed, we

1012
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: didn't see it. And then we found out later on

1013
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: that the lady who's getting married, she has a blue

1014
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: butterfly on her neck. Because it represents her father who

1015
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: is passed on and we didn't see it because we

1016
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: had a rise towards meditation, but beautifully just and there's

1017
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: just one barfly. No one really saw it. And it's

1018
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,439
Speaker 1: just I love things like that when people have such

1019
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: a strong semblance to signs.

1020
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, there are signs everywhere if you pay attention to them,

1021
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 2: if you look for them, if you're open to them,

1022
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,120
Speaker 2: and it's easy to block off from all that stuff,

1023
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 2: but it's like, yeah, if you open to it, it's everywhere.

1024
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: Well, that's what I love about the way you think

1025
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 1: about it, because I think there's a lot of illusionists

1026
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 1: in the world who almost see illusion as a way

1027
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 1: of saying there are no there is no mysticism in

1028
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: the world. There's a lot of illusionists wh will say, oh, yeah,

1029
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 1: because I can explain everything. It kind of proves that

1030
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: there is no right other worldly, supernatural or mystic or

1031
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: whatever language you want to use for it.

1032
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: But you seem to have somewhat of a well, it's yeah,

1033
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: I mean, it's more about like being open to it.

1034
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 2: So if you're open to it, you'll you'll find it

1035
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 2: because that's what you're looking for, right, But if you're like,

1036
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 2: then you won't. And it's like, I feel like the

1037
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 2: better approach is to be open to it so you

1038
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 2: can experience these incredible things.

1039
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, what's one of the most amazing things you've

1040
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: experienced by being open?

1041
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 2: No, I mean just by being just like, you know,

1042
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 2: watching my daughter just grow and you know that's the

1043
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: most amazing and watching who she becomes. And you say that,

1044
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 2: but yeah, when you need those signs, if you're open

1045
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 2: to it, they'll be there. And if you're close to it,

1046
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: you'll never see them because you're like, nah, you know what.

1047
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 2: I kept writing my journal when I was in the

1048
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: box of ourvideos. That's the only thing I really brought

1049
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 2: was no toothbrush, no nothing. But I had a journal

1050
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,760
Speaker 2: and a couple of pens, and I kept writing. Everything

1051
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: is perspective. Everything is how you decide to see. Because

1052
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: people kept saying, are you bored in the box, I'm like, boredom?

1053
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:03,399
Speaker 2: Is it choice? Like you choose to be bored because

1054
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: your mind has so many things that can think about, create, do, wonder,

1055
00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 2: dream everything. So it's like, so, so those two things

1056
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: are the things that that are all over that journal.

1057
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 2: Everything is perspective and bored him is a choice. And

1058
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 2: then there was a lot of numbers and mapping out

1059
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: like the amount of time and graphs and but those

1060
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: were two of the very strong prominent thoughts of what

1061
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 2: I learned and became very clear to me during that

1062
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 2: forty four day fast. It opened me up to so

1063
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: many thoughts, and it was like this clarity that that

1064
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: I that I never get because there's very few distracts,

1065
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 2: no phone, no this, no that, no food, no distractions really,

1066
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 2: so you suddenly you become hyper aware, like you're it's

1067
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,800
Speaker 2: like a heightened sense of awareness and everything becomes intense

1068
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 2: and beautiful, and which is probably what you were doing

1069
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 2: for the three years.

1070
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, we were talking about it earlier, Like you start

1071
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: realizing that this guy is not just blue. There's so

1072
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: many different variations that not every leaf you see is green.

1073
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: There's so many variations. But if you look on an

1074
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 1: average day, it's like, oh, this guy's blue, the trees

1075
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: are green, Like we have this we kind of have

1076
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: this almost veneer or this lens we put on everything

1077
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: which makes it all the same. And you look at

1078
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: that in society too, where like you go down most

1079
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: city centers, every shop is the same. We see the

1080
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 1: same coffee shop. Everywhere you see the same like, you know,

1081
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: we homogenize everything in the world. Yeah, and there's a

1082
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: sense of comfort. There's a sense of comfort when you

1083
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 1: see I remember my friend was given us a tour

1084
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: of Oxford. He was studying at Oxford University, and he

1085
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: was going around. He was saying, this is where Lord

1086
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: of the Rings was written, and this is where Alice

1087
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: in Wonderland was written. He was giving me this and

1088
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: me and him were like loving this. And we were

1089
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: with someone and then we walked into the town center

1090
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh my god, there's an urban

1091
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: outfits here. It's like the clothes store. And we're all like,

1092
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: what is wrong with you? But it's like for them,

1093
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,840
Speaker 1: that was a sense of comfort. Yeah. I was like,

1094
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: wait a minute, like this is what Alice in Wonderland

1095
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 1: has written.

1096
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 2: Everything is perspective and that person maybe just as excited

1097
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 2: about that as this person is about this, which is

1098
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 2: amazing and it's so fascinating.

1099
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, who have you met or what have

1100
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: you done that is just shifted your perspective the most

1101
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: in the last few decades. Is this a person you met,

1102
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: a place you went to.

1103
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 2: That just I mean there's so many it's just a

1104
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: well books books or that's like a big one, right,

1105
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: and just books just you know. I think like what

1106
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: books do to the mind is identical to what exercise

1107
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: and does for the body. That's the main problem with

1108
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 2: the phones is it's really taken away, Like my ability

1109
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 2: to just read a book has changed because I'm so

1110
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: distracted by you know. So it's like but it's like

1111
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: just being able to like open up your mind and

1112
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: and explore these incredible worlds that were meticulously done by

1113
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: these brilliant writers. Is that studied psychology and philosophy and

1114
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: that outpouring of of of just you know, knowledge. But

1115
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: so I think books would be the first thing that

1116
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: have like that have like.

1117
00:58:13,600 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: Impacted any favorites, anyone that you saw.

1118
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 2: Cervantes then his life story was incredible. Servantes, he's fascinating,

1119
00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: And then Don Quixote is like one of the most

1120
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 2: I think one of the most important books written. In

1121
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: many ways, his story is incredible because he was the

1122
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: son of a surgeon. He grew up very poor Servantes,

1123
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: so he went to fight for his country and during

1124
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 2: during the Inquisition, I guess he was maimed on his

1125
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 2: left sides. He was paralyzed on his left side, he

1126
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 2: couldn't use his arm, and he was given the equivalent

1127
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 2: of a purple heart. So on his way back, the

1128
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 2: boat was seized, like they took him captive, and he

1129
00:58:55,400 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: was tortured and beaten for years. Right, he wasn't able

1130
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: to really, he couldn't get out, and his brother finally

1131
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: raised enough money that he was by the way from

1132
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 2: the monasteries. Whether they raised enough money. When he came out,

1133
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 2: they gave him a job as a tax collector, and

1134
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 2: he didn't want to do that. He didn't want to

1135
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: collect taxes because he thought, like, if I'm doing this

1136
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: to a mother of six and she you know, she

1137
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 2: can't afford this, I don't want to do this. They

1138
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 2: ended up putting him in jail for I think twelve years.

1139
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 2: While he was in prison, he wrote Don Quixote, which

1140
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,200
Speaker 2: is this book about a guy that wants to save

1141
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: the world, to make the world a better place. But

1142
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 2: he finished it. When he came out. The book was

1143
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: published and it became like the number one book in Europe.

1144
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 2: But the book publisher, I don't think they ever really

1145
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: paid him. So this this book that became like the

1146
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: Shakespeare even wrote an entire play about one character in

1147
00:59:56,800 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 2: the book called Cardinio, which is that characteris edible, but

1148
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:06,040
Speaker 2: that when he was basically when he came out, they

1149
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 2: never gave him his his his his earnings, and he

1150
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 2: died completely broken. The story of Don Quixote is a

1151
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 2: guy that wants to make the world a better place,

1152
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 2: but it's not possible, you know, which is what his

1153
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 2: mission was. Yeah, well that's a great book.

1154
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. How does that speak to you now, Like,

1155
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,479
Speaker 1: how does his dilemma speak?

1156
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it's related to everything right, hope for the

1157
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: best and expect the worst. It's the theme of his book.

1158
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a there's a beautiful statement that it

1159
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: reminds me of from F. Scott Fitzgerald who said that

1160
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: the sign of a first rate intelligence is the ability

1161
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the

1162
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:53,000
Speaker 1: same time. So one should be able to look around

1163
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: and see that everything is hopeless, but still be determined

1164
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: to make.

1165
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: It to be hopeful.

1166
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly like that ability to Yeah, it's.

1167
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 2: Right to absorb to to truly, Yeah, because the brain's

1168
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 2: not meant to be malleable. So it's like, you think

1169
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: one way, and it's very hard to unthink that. It's

1170
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: very hard to change the direction of what you accept

1171
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 2: and what you like. But you're right, that sign of

1172
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 2: intelligence is the ability to grow and learn and scrap

1173
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: previous ideas and change the way you think and continue

1174
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 2: to break everything that you think you know.

1175
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: But that's literally what you do in a physical, tangible

1176
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 1: mental way, because everything about you knows that putting a

1177
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: blade close to your body cuts it, that being close

1178
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,959
Speaker 1: to a black mamber like kills you. Like that that's

1179
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:40,120
Speaker 1: what you're you're literally living that. Because I'm intrigued to

1180
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: know this because you're one of the most unrelatable people

1181
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 1: on the planet, because you've done things that even if

1182
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: you explain them and even if we watch you do them,

1183
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 1: nine nine point nine percent of people even more than that,

1184
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 1: that's even a low percentage, have no idea what it

1185
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: even feels like, how does that feel?

1186
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 2: I don't think of it like that. Okay, Actually, I

1187
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 2: think everybody has their their thing, Like, everybody has that

1188
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 2: thing that they're like, it's the same thing. It's just

1189
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 2: it just it speaks differently. Yeah, And it just speaks differently. Yeah,

1190
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 2: so I think everybody, like if you look into every

1191
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,920
Speaker 2: single person, there's like you can find, you know, it's

1192
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 2: like things that you can't understand or you know, and

1193
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 2: it's like it's amazing to like explore that, you know.

1194
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: I like that perspective. I like that perspective. Everyone has.

1195
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 1: Everyone can feel that way if they want to. It's

1196
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 1: they do.

1197
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like everybody has their thing that's unique to them.

1198
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: It might be that, and there's so many, you know,

1199
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 2: it's like it's like the skill that I respect on

1200
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 2: my mother being the best mother ever, right that, But

1201
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 2: that's hard. That's like complete surrender, dedication and belief.

1202
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: And past you know, that's that's a special source.

1203
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's there. That's their passion, that's what that's what

1204
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: lights their fire.

1205
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you avoided You avoided fire for a while, like

1206
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: you was wanting to do that. You finally succeed with

1207
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 1: the bridge dives. I mean, how did that feel? Why

1208
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 1: were you avoiding it?

1209
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 2: It just never came together properly, Like it just never

1210
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 2: The idea was planted in my head, but it never

1211
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 2: really came to It never came together properly. But then

1212
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 2: when I went to Brazil and I met these incredible

1213
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: you know, high divers. The Carina who had like walked

1214
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: over traversed a volcano and by the way, she she

1215
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 2: almost died doing that. She was bleeding through her mouth

1216
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 2: and she couldn't even breathe. But when you look at

1217
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: the images of her walking across a volcano lake, it's whoa.

1218
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: But anyway, so there was a man Andre who's this

1219
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 2: fire genius that just respect becks and love fires the

1220
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 2: same way Neville does with the Black Mambas. They helped

1221
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: me put together this this idea of just you know,

1222
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 2: doing something off of a bridge on fire and that. Yeah,

1223
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,440
Speaker 2: and it was it was amazing.

1224
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 1: I mean, but you you had a set amount of

1225
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: time that you had to like, right quick, Yeah it

1226
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: was quick. Yeah, it was quick. Yeah. Did it live

1227
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:23,000
Speaker 1: up to your feeling of wanting to do with fire?

1228
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Do I want to do it the game? Yeah? No, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1229
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 2: yeah yeah. Because you're always thinking like, oh, well, you

1230
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 2: know it was bright out, it was a nighttime would

1231
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,920
Speaker 2: have been you know, so yeah, you're always thinking about like,

1232
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:38,800
Speaker 2: you know, that's not like the Box, which is one

1233
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 2: I can't ever do again. That's one that's like that's interesting.

1234
01:04:42,200 --> 01:04:44,440
Speaker 2: So my the way that this show can was. My

1235
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 2: concept was if something can be done by one, it

1236
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 2: can be done by others, right, And I think that's

1237
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 2: part of what happens, is like somebody does something and

1238
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 2: somebody else, Oh, this guy ran a mile and four minutes,

1239
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 2: so that I can break it. And then it's almost

1240
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,760
Speaker 2: like a continual like part that I love is one

1241
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: thing leads to another. You push somebody, the idea opens up.

1242
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 2: The idea opens up that you can do anything, or

1243
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,880
Speaker 2: you can do something you didn't think was possible, and

1244
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: then it just snowballs and it affects people around. And

1245
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: I think that's what's interesting about the magicians that I love,

1246
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,440
Speaker 2: is they create this fantasy land. Right, they do these

1247
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,000
Speaker 2: things that seem impossible. But the ones that I like

1248
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 2: are really doing things that are actually possible, but we

1249
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 2: think it's not possible. And then it relates to everybody

1250
01:05:29,960 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 2: because anybody that wants to do, Oh I want to

1251
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 2: write a book, they can write a book. Right, you

1252
01:05:34,280 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 2: just have to believe in Oh I want to direct

1253
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 2: a movie, they can direct a movie. I want to

1254
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 2: be a photographer for National Geograph, they can be a photographer.

1255
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: So it's like I want to do this. I want

1256
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 2: to build a rocket. It's unlimited, so I think, and

1257
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing that I love about, the search

1258
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 2: for people that are doing things that to me feel

1259
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: like it's as close to magic as possible because it

1260
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 2: defies what we know to be possible. Well, I think

1261
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 2: it's what's amazing about humanity is we just keep improving,

1262
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 2: and we keep learning, and we keep evolving to become

1263
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: better and better and better. So so yeah, so I

1264
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 2: think part of the search for these fascinating people, or

1265
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: this love of magic, stems from that idea that everybody

1266
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: is basically the same, like there is nobody that's different things,

1267
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: and you can apply that thinking to anything. And so

1268
01:06:28,080 --> 01:06:31,320
Speaker 2: I'm inspired by the people that do these things, not

1269
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 2: just magicians, but the people have been searching for throughout

1270
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: the world that just push the limits of what we

1271
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 2: would assume to be possible.

1272
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 1: I love that answer. Yeah, that's brilliant, that idea that

1273
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:47,600
Speaker 1: every single person gets to kind of pass on the batter, right,

1274
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: Like the idea of like I open up the door

1275
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: and now it's open. And I always ask people, I'm like,

1276
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: find your monk. And what I mean by that is

1277
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: if I didn't meet this monk, the entire trajectory of

1278
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: my life wouldn't have shifted and changed. It was like

1279
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:05,720
Speaker 1: meeting this one person right completely pivoted my whole life journey.

1280
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: And whoever that is for me were open to it.

1281
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 2: And I've understood that that's right, and.

1282
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: We also need to be open to that. Like, who's

1283
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,919
Speaker 1: that person who could just completely or perspective that could

1284
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 1: completely shift and change your trajectory? That's right, it's pretty phenomenal.

1285
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 2: And it's not and anybody. And what's nice about that

1286
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 2: is then therefore it's like anything can inspire you to do,

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Speaker 2: to do anything that you that you want or that

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Speaker 2: you dream of her. And that's the stuff that once again,

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Speaker 2: that's what I love about. When I studied these incredible performers,

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Speaker 2: these magicians, these vaudavillions, these dime circus, I would read

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Speaker 2: these things. I'd say, wait, how is this guy human aquarium?

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Speaker 2: Like does that make sense? But he couldn't. Houdini wrote

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Speaker 2: about mac Norton the human Aquarium. But I'm like, but wait,

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Speaker 2: he couldn't have fooled to Deani because Whudini is a magician.

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Speaker 2: He's looking for the trick and if Houdini's saying, the

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Speaker 2: guy's really doing it, it has to be real. So

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Speaker 2: that just let that was like the planting of the seed. Right.

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Speaker 2: So it's like and just all these fascinating characters throughout

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Speaker 2: the history of magic, and there's like these surreal images

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Speaker 2: of these posters that these magicians created that when you

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Speaker 2: look at them, it's like this, it's like this fantastical, mystical,

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Speaker 2: magical world. So it's like, and that's what I think

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01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,680
Speaker 2: great books do, is they open up your mind, They

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01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 2: open up your thinking to this, like to this, to this.

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Speaker 2: It's like not just beauty, it's it's it's your imagination,

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01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 2: it's your creations, it's your visualization. And then it's like

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Speaker 2: converting that into through repetition, failure, practice, repeat into whatever

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Speaker 2: you and and by the way, you shoot for this

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01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:39,800
Speaker 2: and then it may end up here, but that you

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Speaker 2: shop and so you know, and it's a constant, you know,

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Speaker 2: which is part of the thing that I love about

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Speaker 2: all these types of feelings or or people or or inspirations,

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01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 2: Like you found your your monk who led you into

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01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 2: this whole your brain change you open the door, right.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like that's why you will never be

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Speaker 1: done because that's what drives you.

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Speaker 2: And that's why we'll all never be done.

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Speaker 1: David, You've been so generous with your time. I've loved

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Speaker 1: every moment of this. You are truly one of the

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Speaker 1: most fascinating people I've ever spoken to. And we end

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Speaker 1: on purpose with a final five of fast five. These

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Speaker 1: have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so these are your David Blaine, these are your final five.

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Speaker 1: Question Number one, what is the best life advice you've

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Speaker 1: ever heard or received?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I like, always surround yourself with people that

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Speaker 2: will inspire you and help you grow.

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Speaker 1: That was a good one good advice. Question number two,

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Speaker 1: what's the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

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01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:42,400
Speaker 2: Don't go for your dream? Don't you're not going to succeed.

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Speaker 2: Don't even bother worst advice?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of people have had that.

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Speaker 2: If you listen to the people that are that, they're

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01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 2: gonna know you cannot. You have to go for You

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01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 2: have to at least try. By the way, you may fail,

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Speaker 2: but if you keep failing, eventually you're probably gonna do

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01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 2: some thing. You'll get, you know, some version of what

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Speaker 2: you want to do.

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Speaker 1: So, if you wanted your life to leave behind three messages,

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Speaker 1: what would they be?

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01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: That you can find magic everywhere, you know, the connections

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:18,760
Speaker 2: between there's like the way I feel with my daughter,

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01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: finding that connection that surrendered that love is that's the

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01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: most beautiful thing that I have ever experienced. And then

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Speaker 2: one more thing. I guess it goes to the first thing,

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Speaker 2: which is just to try to always experience that feeling

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Speaker 2: of wonder, like always be amazed. Allow yourself to be amazed,

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Speaker 2: you know, allow yourself to Yeah what we were talking at,

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01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 2: allow yourself to see the blue in the sky, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love allow I love that. Allow yourself to

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Speaker 1: be amazed because today, yeah, we don't allow ourselves because

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01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 1: we're kind of used to it. We don't even realize

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01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: even though we all make phones look bad, but this

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 1: is actually phenomenal that exists. It's amazing that allow yourself

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01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 1: to be amazed. A is a great line. I love

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Speaker 1: that question number four. When your mother left you with

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Speaker 1: the words God is love. What does that mean to you?

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Speaker 2: To it means love is God. God is love. Like

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Speaker 2: the feeling of love, the surrender that is everything, that's that,

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Speaker 2: that's that that is what life is about. That that's

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Speaker 2: what life is.

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Speaker 1: That's the ultimate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the giving into that feeling, which we're all very guarded.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm super guarded, and like you said, as

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Speaker 2: a magician, I'm super skeptical. But at the same time,

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Speaker 2: I still do believe there's so much that we don't know,

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01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 2: that we don't understand. And we're all connected to this

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01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 2: one We're we're all part of this one connection. We're

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01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 2: all connected, we're all made of the same molecules and atoms.

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Speaker 2: So I think we're everything is connected, and everything is one,

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Speaker 2: and I don't think there's a beginning or an andy,

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Speaker 2: and energy isn't either created nor destroyed, so it's always it.

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Speaker 2: So that whole.

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Speaker 1: Fifth and final question, if you could be asked this

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Speaker 1: every guest who's ever been on the show, if you

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Speaker 1: could create one law that everyone in the world had

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01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,479
Speaker 1: to follow, what would it be?

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Speaker 2: Wow? So one law.

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Speaker 1: It can be as tangible or intangible as you like it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, So then it should be the law of love.

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Speaker 1: Simple.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like just that surrender that like, because that's

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01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 2: there's no ego in that, there's.

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01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:38,360
Speaker 1: No no ego. Is definitely it, but it's so hard.

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Speaker 2: To you know, it's like we're so locked in all

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01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,920
Speaker 2: this stuff. But yeah, giving up just like surrender.

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Speaker 1: When do you feel you have the least ego? When

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01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: do you feel you experience no ego?

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Speaker 2: When I'm with my daughter is it's like that's like

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Speaker 2: everything disappears.

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Speaker 1: David Blaine, thank you so much for your time, your energy.

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Speaker 1: Everyone who's been listening and watching, make sure you go

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 1: and watch. Then you show David Blaine, do not attempt.

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Speaker 1: It's on that geo. I can't wait for you to

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Speaker 1: see it. It's phenomenal. You got to hear some of

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Speaker 1: the stories here out March twenty third, on National Geographic,

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01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,080
Speaker 1: David takes viewers on an incredible journey where he immerses

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Speaker 1: himself in unique cultures and meeting extraordinary performers who inspire

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Speaker 1: and share their rare skills and secrets. And of course

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Speaker 1: you can also see David as Las Vegas residency at

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Speaker 1: the Encore Theater and at the Win. I can't wait

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Speaker 1: to go. I'm coming to see you live. I'm really

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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. And congratulations my friend, and thank you.

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Speaker 1: Really wonderful getting to know you for you too, Thank

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Speaker 1: you If you love this podcast you love my episode

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Speaker 1: with Lewis Hamilton. Lewis and I talk about why you

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01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 1: should stop chasing society's definition of success and how to

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Speaker 1: be more intentional with your goals. You don't want to

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Speaker 1: miss it like. It's not about being perfect. It's about

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Speaker 1: just every day, one step at a time, trying to

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Speaker 1: be better, trying to do more. I'm learning a lot

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Speaker 1: about myself. I had to break myself down in order

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Speaker 1: to be able to be better.