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Here's Paul Calvici. 14 00:00:50,920 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: I'm ready. 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 5: I'm one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. 16 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: And Ron Woolfley. 17 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than that. 18 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 5: A singular player in Cardinal's history, Pat Tillman was one 19 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 5: of the most unique people to ever walk amongst us. 20 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 5: In fact, a statue stands outside the Cardinals stadium for 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,040 Speaker 5: all to see, but very few know what's displayed inside 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 5: Cardinals HQ. A very special big Red Rage. We call 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 5: it our Cardinals Folktales Legendary Locker Edition, The story behind 24 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 5: the saving from an almost certain destruction of Pat Tillman's 25 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 5: locker back in the day. You know, Cardinals Folktales Wolf 26 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 5: it's number one in the series, the story and rightfully 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 5: so of Pat Tillman's legendary locker that is now behind 28 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 5: glass outside the Cardinals locker room, essentially a museum piece. 29 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 5: And you also know how what we like to say 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 5: about Cardinals Folktales, this Emmy Award winning series, that you 31 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 5: can't spell history without the word story. But what about 32 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 5: the word folk tale? What does that mean to you? 33 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 5: How would you define it? 34 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, Pauli, that is a great question right there. Well, 35 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: first of all, folk tale, it's got to be a story, 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: So it's got to be a story about a human being, 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: and it's got to be a story about a human 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: being doing legendary things. That to me is my definition 39 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: of a folk. 40 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 5: Tell And that would definitely define Pat Tillman, someone where 41 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 5: football did not define Pat Tillman. We both know that. 42 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 5: We both go back to the days when he was 43 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 5: a star at ASU and then a Cardinal's draft pick, 44 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 5: and to this day. Look, we're both asked about Pat Tillman. 45 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: I know you are. And what do you say when 46 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 5: people ask you about the late great Pat Tillman? 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: You know, for the most part, Polly, I just say, 48 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: let me tell you a story, because this really defines 49 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 1: who he is right here. And I tell him the 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: story about when I ran into Pat Tillman who was 51 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: walking out of a bowling alley pushing a ten speed 52 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: a bike with him, and I thought it was so weird. 53 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I said, hey, Pat, what's up man? How you doing? 54 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 6: You know? 55 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: And he said hello? And I said, Pat, what'd you do? 56 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: Did you ride your bike here? And he said to me, yeah, 57 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: I did. As a matter of fact, I said, what 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: do you live around here? He said no, I live 59 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,239 Speaker 1: about ten miles that way. I said, you rode your 60 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,839 Speaker 1: bike here and he said, yeah, I'm training for a triathlon. 61 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 5: Paul, I remember. 62 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: That trainy, Yes, he was training for that. And I 63 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: was like, Tilly, what are you doing? I mean, you're 64 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: an NFL player. Don't you have enough challenge right there? 65 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: He said, why are you doing that? And he said, 66 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: I just wanted to test myself and challenge myself. That 67 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: just blew me away, Paul. And yet it says so 68 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: much about. 69 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 5: Pat he does. In fact, all the cardinal strength coaches 70 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 5: at the time said, no, don't do it. That's counterproductive 71 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 5: to being a football player. The explosion you need. You 72 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 5: don't want to run marathons and do triathons. And you 73 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 5: know what Pat did it. Anyway, Look, if you asked 74 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 5: me about Pat Tolman, I think of the epitome as 75 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 5: someone who thought for themselves, right. Yeah, they felt it 76 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 5: was ultra important to educate yourself in so many different ways. 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 5: He had that insatiable curiosity about him. You know, you 78 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 5: think about Pat Tillman, not just the football player, but 79 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 5: the Pat Tillman scholars as someone who had a three 80 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 5: point nine gpa at ASU. He was always driven by 81 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 5: seeking knowledge, right, the need to experience life, and what 82 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: he got out of his twenty seven years you could 83 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 5: only hope to get out of a full lifetime compared 84 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 5: to Pat Tillman. 85 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me Pauly too, it's just I've got 86 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 1: to bring it back, man, I got to bring it 87 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: back to the white lines, the football field, the grid 88 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: iron and mother grid iron and how tough Pat Tilman 89 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: truly was as a football player. I'm sorry. I know 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: what he did and the way he gave his life 91 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: for our country in service to so many others. But 92 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: for me, the fact that he walked in between those 93 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: white lines as well and endured so much and absorbed 94 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: so much damage while giving damage on the football field, 95 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: to me so impressed with him. That's my number one 96 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:10,239 Speaker 1: takeaway from Pat. 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: He still holds the Cardinals all time record for tackles 98 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,679 Speaker 5: in a season, more than two hundred and twenty tackles 99 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 5: in a single season. Think about that. This is a 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 5: seventh round pick in nineteen ninety eight. He came out 101 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 5: as a tweener. He was the Pac twelve Defensive Player 102 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 5: of the Year at ASU, But where was he supposed 103 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 5: to play in the NFL? So he lasted to the 104 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 5: seventh round. Remember his first training camp as a rookie Wolf. 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 5: We were in Flagstaff. He came in, he was held 106 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 5: bent on making a statement. He was telling them you 107 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 5: need this physicality, you need my mentality, and he defied 108 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 5: the odds. He made the team and then started ten 109 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 5: to sixteen games as a rookie. 110 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: And then, of course his leadership and how he would 111 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: impact others. Paul guys around him were inspired by Pat 112 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: for so many different reasons. 113 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 5: We know his football career, we know his status as 114 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 5: an American hero, and we're going to get into all 115 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 5: that and his entire story how his legacy really is 116 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 5: captured in Pat Tillman's legendary locker when we come back 117 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 5: on this very special edition, our Cardinals Folktales edition of 118 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 5: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert 119 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 5: and welcome back everyone into the Big Red Rage presented 120 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 5: by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, I'm 121 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 5: Paul Calvic And as we noted off the top, our 122 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 5: game plan revolves around an encore presentation of Cardinals' folk Tales, 123 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 5: where we like to say it can't spell history without 124 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: the word story. Well, if you were to go from 125 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 5: the Cardinals radio studio about fifty yards to my left, 126 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 5: you would at the Cardinals locker room, and before you enter, 127 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,039 Speaker 5: you would see a locker behind glass, and there's a 128 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 5: reason why that locker once belonged to Pat Tillman. So 129 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 5: as we look at the makeup of NFL rosters and 130 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 5: we see long shot players and low round picks who 131 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 5: might be able to defy the odds, it's hard not 132 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 5: to think of the greatest Cardinals example of that. Ever, 133 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 5: at least to me, Cardinal's seventh round pick in nineteen 134 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 5: ninety eight, Pat Tillman. He was far from a lock 135 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: that year. He is considered a tweener between a linebacker 136 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 5: and a safety. But he had a plan make the 137 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 5: coaches take notice. And as someone who covered Pat both 138 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 5: ASU and the Cardinals, it was impossible not to notice Pat. 139 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 5: If it wasn't the hair flowing out of the helmet, 140 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 5: it was just his style of play with total abandon. 141 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 5: I mean, he didn't just wear pads, he used him. 142 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 5: So although we might know Pat's story, what's the story 143 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 5: behind the locker that was seconds away from total demolition. 144 00:07:49,080 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 5: Well here's that story, Cardinals' full tales legendary locker. Every year, 145 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 5: NFL teams conduct their fight for fifty three. That's the 146 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 5: size of an NFL roster, fifty three players, and those 147 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 5: names will always vary year to year, heck, week to week, 148 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 5: but the Arizona Cardinals have a fifty fourth locker and 149 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 5: that name plate will never change. 150 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 7: Pat Tilman talk about a. 151 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: Guy with a lot of heart. 152 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 8: Passion is kind of important word for me, whether it's 153 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 8: you know, playing sports, or whether it's you know, just 154 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 8: living or whatever you're gonna do, you should, in my opinion, 155 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 8: you should be passionate about or else Why why do it? 156 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 9: He was pretty legendary just for being the guy he 157 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 9: was that, being true to himself, challenging people around him, 158 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 9: you know, never being dull or just taking things for 159 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 9: granted or being complacent. He was always searching for knowledge. 160 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 4: I think it was important to save the locker. 161 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,319 Speaker 10: As time goes by, you start to forget about things 162 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 10: that happened in history. 163 00:08:58,640 --> 00:08:59,679 Speaker 4: I didn't want Pat to be. 164 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 5: Forgotten, legendary locker with the forever nameplate Pat Tillman. This 165 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 5: is Cardinal's Folktales, presented by seventy two sold where we 166 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 5: go in depth into Cardinal's history, all time anecdotes through 167 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 5: the personal recollections and memories of those who lived in 168 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 5: We hear their words, their voices. My name is Paul Kelvic. 169 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 5: I've covered the Cardinals since late nineteen ninety five, the 170 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 5: end of the Buddy Ryan era. I've been the Cardinals 171 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 5: sideline reporter since two thousand and five, and as I 172 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 5: can attest, you may think you know some of these 173 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 5: folk tale stories, but as I found out, as even 174 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 5: team historians have found out. We don't like this story, 175 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 5: this folk tale revolving around the most widely known figure 176 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:49,440 Speaker 5: in Cardinal's history, Pat Tillman, and how his legendary locker 177 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 5: was saved with a last second interception from a buzzsaw 178 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 5: literally by a longtime staffer. 179 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 10: I didn't really get the idea to kind of preserve 180 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 10: the locker until two thousand and six. I always put 181 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 10: it in the back of my head, like I want 182 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 10: to save this locker. 183 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 4: That would be kind of cool. And I just didn't 184 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 4: know when renovations would take place. 185 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 10: And I'm sit Mary eating lunch at Oreganos and they're 186 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 10: taking place. 187 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 4: So I had to do something. 188 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 11: When you know the cliche, if you cut somebody open, 189 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 11: they bleed, Cardinal reds. That's Almo. So it was fitting that, 190 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 11: you know, he would be the one that has his 191 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 11: finger on the pulse of that and in the moment 192 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 11: immediately recognizes how significant this is to preserve. 193 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 5: Before we get to that locker, the museum piece on 194 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 5: display showcase for all to see at Cardinals HQ, we 195 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 5: need to understand Pat Tillman. Notice how we didn't say 196 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 5: the football player Pat Tillman, because Pat was so much 197 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 5: more than an athlete. 198 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 7: Pat Tillman, what can I say, just all around good guy, 199 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 7: not cocky, very confident, soft spoken, like the sing Desperado 200 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 7: and like that movie. 201 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 9: Immediately I kind of liked him on long hair. He 202 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 9: didn't dress nice. He was just such a unique, genuine 203 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 9: dude that people, you know, weren endeared to him. 204 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 12: He was a different kind of guy. You know, he 205 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,079 Speaker 12: was a flower child if you will you know. Of course, 206 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 12: at the time, I didn't have any clue that he 207 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 12: would go on to the come to hero that he became, 208 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 12: But you know, he was a different type of dude. 209 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,120 Speaker 12: He would ride his bicycle to practice every day. 210 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 5: Those are the voices of former Tilman teammates Larry Senters, 211 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 5: Jake Plummer, and all started by former linebacker Mark Maddox. 212 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 5: The thing is, if you asked Pat to talk about himself, 213 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 5: something he seldom did, I'm not sure that football player 214 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: would have made the top three things he'd say about himself. 215 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 5: To know Pat was to know that Pat was about 216 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 5: the next achievement, the next challenge, the next curiosity. Longtime 217 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 5: Cardinals beat writer and Arizona Republic columnists Ken Summers. 218 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 13: As a player just passionate to the point of borderline. 219 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 13: Is this guy human? I mean cand of human actually 220 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 13: play that hard and have such disregard for his body 221 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 13: and play the game that way? And never I mean 222 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,199 Speaker 13: there was just one speed, you know, one gear there 223 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 13: was you know, Steve McGinnis used to say that the 224 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 13: guy has a switch, not a dial. You know, you 225 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 13: just flip it on and it's the same, the same speed. 226 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 5: When Pat put on the pads he used him, he 227 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 5: was all in. Like everything else he did. Pat never 228 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 5: did anything half speed, even when the drills were designed 229 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 5: to be half speed. That was Pat in his first 230 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 5: NFL training camp as a seventh round tweener just hit 231 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 5: anything and everything that moved. I watched it in person. 232 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 5: I covered that nineteen ninety eight training camp in Flagstaff. 233 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 5: I watched the decision makers take notice that the guy 234 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 5: in the football uniform belied the dude in the surfer 235 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 5: shorts and the flip flops. Here's former Cardinals wide receiver 236 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 5: Frank Sanders. 237 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,239 Speaker 14: I think probably deserved flip flops and a surfboard somewhere 238 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 14: in some Oakley shorts. And I had a real nice 239 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 14: golden hair. 240 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 15: And that's it. 241 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 14: Like playing football. Never seemed like he should be there 242 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 14: until he put on his pads. Put on his pats. 243 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 14: A different person showed him, I understand you hit pretty hard. 244 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Now, different guy in the. 245 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 4: Middle of the field that falls into the plate. 246 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 16: Wow, off comes the helmet of the attended receiver as 247 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 16: he gets crushed back there by Pat Tilman. 248 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 2: Pat Tilman the blade. 249 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 7: He knocked him right in the helmet with a forearm 250 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 7: and just slapped. 251 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 12: That helmet off. Even as a rookie, we used to 252 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 12: have to call him off, you know, some some practices 253 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 12: we were you know, just fit up on the guy 254 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 12: with the ball. But he would come in and demolish 255 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 12: the guys, which was a really good tactic, and it 256 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 12: worked out great for him because he got the coach's attention. 257 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 9: He brought that same kind of few mentality to the Cardinals. 258 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 9: I mean, rookies don't hit receivers in Ota days. 259 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: But he would lay some. 260 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,439 Speaker 9: Wood on a guy or like put an elbow in 261 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 9: him and get in fights. And he really up the 262 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 9: competitiveness during practice where guys didn't like him because he 263 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 9: would hit you or rough you up, or do what 264 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 9: he whatever he felt he needed to work on, and 265 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 9: they ended up respecting him because it made everybody's level 266 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 9: come up. He was a tone setter. 267 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,239 Speaker 5: Let's just say that Pat would routinely exceed the perceived 268 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 5: practice speed limit. But that's how Pat forged an NFL career. 269 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 5: That's how Pat made the Cardinals as the two hundred 270 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: and twenty six player taken in the nineteen ninety eight draft. 271 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 5: How he caught the coach's attention even though he was 272 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 5: the reigning Pac ten Defensive Player of the Year. But 273 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: at the NFL level, was he still a linebacker? Was 274 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 5: he fast enough to be a safety? Pad made sure 275 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 5: none of that mattered, because all he did was turn 276 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 5: guys into tackling dummies. That entire camp, even though it 277 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 5: landed in the NFL's version of a coach's time out, 278 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 5: former Cardinals head coach Den Stobin and. 279 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 17: The one I remember was a wide receiver that he 280 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 17: got in a fight with and entered up having to 281 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 17: throw them both off the field because every time the 282 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 17: play started, whether they'd be a fight between those two 283 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 17: at the end of the play, and so I sent 284 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 17: them out. 285 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 5: But as vin Stobin himself would admit later, the Cardinals 286 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: needed that mentality that Pat Tillman brand of physicality and 287 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 5: fight that tilman too, because remember the Cardinals were still 288 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 5: in the same division with those Cowboys teams coming off 289 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 5: Super Bowls and physical East Coast teams from tough towns 290 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: playing bullyball like the Giants and Eagles and Washington once again, 291 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 5: Former Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer, you. 292 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 9: Look at someone like him who was similar to me. 293 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 9: We were too small, too slow, not strong enough, now 294 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 9: smart enough, all these excuses for why we shouldn't be 295 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 9: there yet. We just you know, we threw that all 296 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 9: side and said, yeah, we're supposed to be here. 297 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 8: He congratulated me, and I guess he was one of 298 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 8: my advocates. 299 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 5: He was talking me up, So what the hell? 300 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: Where are you all right? 301 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 9: Thank you, appreciate your help, Jake. 302 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 8: He said that I gotta give him fifteen percent of 303 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 8: whatever I get because of his good. 304 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 6: Talk, so it might not be much. 305 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 9: So we had that chip on our shoulder and that confidence, 306 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 9: that quiet confidence about ourselves and belief in ourselves. So 307 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 9: we were kindred spirits right away. 308 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 17: Pat became a football player simply because of will and determination. 309 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 17: He wasn't really big enough, strong enough, fast enough to 310 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 17: play in the National Football League but he willed himself 311 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 17: to become a good enough football player to overcome those limitations. 312 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 5: And it's something that Pat had already done plenty of 313 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 5: define the doubters. A quick personal note, I covered Pat 314 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 5: during his years at ASU and then his early years 315 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: with the Cardinals. Before that, I'd known of Pat through 316 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 5: our high school alma mater, Leland High School, in South 317 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 5: San Jose. We were both from the Alminant Valley, which 318 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 5: you might have seen featured in some of the Pat 319 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 5: Tillman documentaries. His future father in law was my high 320 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 5: school baseball coach. We were seven or eight years a 321 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 5: part or so, and I still remember my dad call 322 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 5: me during Pat's senior year of high school. Hey, you 323 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 5: guess what he said? Leland is in this section title game. 324 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 5: And I cut off my dad. I say, come on now, Pop, 325 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: have you been drinking more of your red wine again? 326 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 5: Come on? He said, no, no, no, They've got this 327 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 5: Tilman kid. He's a running back and nobody can tackle him, 328 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 5: and he's a better middle linebacker. He's all over the field. 329 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:38,479 Speaker 5: So when people talk about Pat's ability to inspire and 330 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 5: lift others, people rightfully cite the fact that the last 331 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 5: time ASU went to the Rolls Bowl. It was Pat 332 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 5: Tillman and Jake Plummer. During Pat's rookie year in the 333 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 5: NFL nineteen ninety eight, the Arizona Cardinals won their first 334 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 5: playoff game in half a century. And my response is always, 335 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 5: you know what, though, Pat's greatest team achievement was leading 336 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 5: his high school to a because, believe me, the degree 337 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 5: of difficulty there. Pat's high school hasn't come close to 338 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 5: winning before or after Pat. 339 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 18: Both towers so the World Trade Center have been hit 340 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 18: by aircraft. 341 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 6: Both are in flames. 342 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 5: It's a black smoke coming from both of the towers. 343 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 7: It's a horrific scene here. 344 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 3: There are chore crews just screaming into this area from 345 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 3: every conceivable direction. 346 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 8: You know, times like this you stop and think about 347 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 8: just how not only how good we have it, but 348 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 8: what kind of a system we live under, What freedoms 349 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 8: were allowed? You know, my great grandfather was at Pearl Harbor, 350 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 8: and a lot of my family has given up, you know, 351 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 8: has gone and fought in wars. And I really haven't 352 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 8: done a damn thing as far as laying myself on 353 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 8: the line like that, And so I have a great 354 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 8: deal of respect for those that have and what the 355 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 8: flag stands for. 356 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 5: The voice of Pat Tillman September twelfth, two thousand and one, 357 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 5: after the horrific events of nine to eleven. In fact, 358 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 5: on September eleventh, Pat Tilman was at the Cardinals facility 359 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 5: and he wandered through the media area and sat down 360 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 5: to watch the news coverage as it unfolded. With Cardinals 361 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 5: beat writer Darren Urban. 362 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 19: He was like, what we do playing in the NFL? 363 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 19: He goes, We're worthless, We're actors. He goes, that means nothing. 364 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 19: This is so much bigger than that. 365 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 13: There's probably no better time to talk about a guy 366 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 13: who took nine to one one to heart and made 367 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 13: a life changing decision based on his feeling something he 368 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 13: felt he needed to do. 369 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 18: It was sort of the you know, man bites dog story, 370 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 18: like this doesn't make any sense. He's right on the 371 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 18: verge where in discussions with his agent about potentially extending 372 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 18: his contract and he decided I'm going to walk away 373 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 18: from this. But you know, it was just six months 374 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 18: after nine to eleven, and it was only three weeks 375 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 18: after he got married to Marie as high school sweetheart, 376 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 18: and it was about one week after they got back 377 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 18: from their honeymoon, he joined the Army up in Colorado 378 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 18: and then went on to become, you know, part of 379 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 18: the Rangers and one of. 380 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 5: The leaders Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. As Pat had just 381 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 5: set a team record for tackles in a season, his 382 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 5: jersey was worn by fans all over town. Plus there 383 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 5: was the business of football, as Pat was on the 384 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 5: verge of cashing in on a mega contract and he 385 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 5: literally left it all behind. 386 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 13: My reaction was was just I just like, I just 387 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 13: kind of had this big smiling started laughing to myself, 388 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 13: like this is completely believable. I mean, I did not 389 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 13: expect him to join the army, but as I process it, like, yeah, Okay, 390 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 13: of all the guys in professional sports in the world, 391 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 13: he's the one who would do that. 392 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 5: Pat would leave that Cardinals locker room to join us, 393 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 5: different team with a different plan, defending his country and 394 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 5: his former teammates. Remember the reactions like it was yesterday, 395 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 5: Frank Sanders, Jake Plummer, and former head coach Vince Toban. 396 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 14: I saw Pat coming out of the building, and I 397 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 14: was coming in where the players only go in the 398 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 14: little area. I was coming into the gates. He was 399 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 14: going out and say, Pat, are you doing? What's up 400 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 14: with your contract? He said, Bro, I'm probably gonna go 401 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 14: to the military. 402 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 20: I said what he said, I'm gonna. 403 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 12: Go to the army and be arranged with my brother. 404 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: So what you go do? 405 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,439 Speaker 14: What I want to serve my country, That's what I'm 406 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 14: gonna do. I say, brother, God bless you. 407 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 9: I just kind of like that sounds like, Pat, what 408 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 9: can you do? I remember getting a call from Mike Devlin, 409 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 9: who is my center my rookie year and now is 410 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 9: a coach with the Cardinals. He said, Hey, you got 411 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 9: to call Pat. He's he's about to do something that 412 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,399 Speaker 9: you know, I don't know if he should do this. 413 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 9: It's you know, he's giving up all this money and 414 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,120 Speaker 9: giving up the game, and I don't know. You should 415 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 9: give him a shout. And I kind of chuckled because 416 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 9: I was like, if Pat makes his mind up, he's 417 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 9: made this decision and his wife has it changed his mind? 418 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,120 Speaker 9: And what good am I going to be to go 419 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 9: try to change his mind. I'm not going to piss 420 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 9: him off before he goes to fight for our country. 421 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 9: I gave him a hug and told him I love him. 422 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 9: He'd be safe out there, man, because there was no 423 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 9: change in his mind. 424 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 17: Well, he's all in. He believed in what he believed 425 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 17: in and believed it very strongly and acted on what 426 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 17: he's blased where a lot of people have blafed, but 427 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 17: they don't act on him. And he did no matter 428 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 17: what he was doing, whether he's on the field or not. 429 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,160 Speaker 9: He believed in himself so much so that he did 430 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,439 Speaker 9: something that no one could fathom he would do and 431 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 9: go give up millions of dollars to go fight for 432 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 9: our country. Well, for Pat, it was just life. That 433 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 9: was what life was about, was doing what you believed 434 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 9: and living your life. 435 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 5: And what's amazing is as media friendly as Pat was 436 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 5: as a player, all the interviews that Pat did when 437 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 5: he was at ASU and the Cardinals, you can search 438 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 5: the internet all you want, good luck trying to find 439 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 5: any interview that Pat did as a soldier once again 440 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,120 Speaker 5: and Summers from the Arizona Republic. 441 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 13: One of the things that really resonated with me was 442 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 13: his refusal to talk about it ever. It's like, I'm 443 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 13: not in it for that, I'm not in it for 444 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 13: the stories. I'm not in it for a future movie 445 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 13: or to set myself up for business later. I have 446 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 13: my reasons for doing it. I'm not going to share them. 447 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 13: They're my reasons. 448 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 5: So Pat left his Cardinals locker behind for a foot locker. 449 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 5: One more aspect of a person who could have done 450 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 5: virtually anything he set his mind to, and quite often 451 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 5: Pat did just that. Former teammate, a longtime Cardinals staffer, 452 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 5: Anthony Edwards, on Pat's selfless act. 453 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 15: To serve that's humility. I choose to serve my country. 454 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 15: I choose to go dis route instead of this one. 455 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,240 Speaker 15: The more popular vote would be stay where you at, 456 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 15: continue to do what you're doing. 457 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,680 Speaker 1: But he didn't feel that was enough. 458 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:57,400 Speaker 15: That wasn't satisfying to him, so he chose the other. 459 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 5: And that's former Cardinals receiver Anthony Edwards, who said it 460 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 5: so well in Cardinals' folktales that Pat was all about 461 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 5: service to his team, to his community, to his country. 462 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 5: I think, like a lot of media members, we walk 463 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 5: into that Cardinals locker room, you can still hear Pat's laugh, 464 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 5: you can still picture him with his teammates. And it 465 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,640 Speaker 5: was that locker of Pats that was spared the wrecking 466 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 5: ball from the demolition crew in last second dramatic fashion, 467 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,159 Speaker 5: and when we come back, we'll hear how that locker 468 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 5: saving play, how it unfolded, how Pat's lasting legacy is 469 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 5: memorialized in other ways as we continue with his encore 470 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,359 Speaker 5: presentation of Cardinals Folktale's Legendary Locker on the Big Red Rage, 471 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford, 472 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 5: and welcome back to our special encore presentation of Cardinals 473 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 5: Folk Tales Legendary Locker Here on the Big Red Rage, 474 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 5: presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We are Santan Ford. 475 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 4: I'm Paul Calvi. 476 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 5: Seen if you go to State Farm Stadium, you'll see 477 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 5: the Pat Tillman statue. There's Pat Tillman's name and number 478 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 5: in the Ring of Honor. At Cardinal's headquarters, there's Pat's locker. 479 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 5: And that's what we're talking about here tonight, the legendary 480 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 5: locker and last we left you here during Cardinals Folktales, 481 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 5: Pat Tillman was making that selfless decision to leave football 482 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 5: and a multi million dollar contract behind to serve his country. 483 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,400 Speaker 5: As we know, Pat lost his life in action while 484 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 5: serving with the Army Rangers in Afghanistan, and not only hit. 485 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 5: All of us in Arizona heard a lot of us 486 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 5: vividly remember that April morning, but our nation mourned as well, 487 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 5: and we pick up the story of how Pat's legendary 488 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,920 Speaker 5: locker still it stands today. With a salute from Tom 489 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,959 Speaker 5: Cruise at the Espies. 490 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 6: The news came out of Afghanistan that an athlete turned 491 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 6: soldier was gone. And when we heard the news on 492 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 6: that April day, it stopped us all in a long 493 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 6: and profound silence. And we all know why, because Pat 494 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 6: Tillman was a transcendent figure in the life of this nation. 495 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,239 Speaker 5: Word of Pat Tillman's death came out early on the 496 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 5: morning of April twenty second, two thousand and four. Fans 497 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 5: created memorials at the Cardinals facility and in Pat's hometown 498 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 5: of San Jose. I remember waiting a line at Sun 499 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 5: Devil Stadium to pay respects at an impromptum memorial. The 500 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 5: news hit with the ferocity of a Tilman tackle, and 501 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 5: it struck owner Michael Bidwell and fullback Larry Centers the 502 00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 5: same way. 503 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 18: It was a I mean, it was a gut punch. 504 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 18: It was a kick to the stomach, and I remember 505 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 18: I was I was standing in my closet that day, 506 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 18: getting ready for work and to head into the office, 507 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 18: and my phone ranked, you know, and sent shivers down 508 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 18: my spine and we realized it's going to be shocking 509 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 18: news to everybody. 510 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 12: I was in Dallas on the golf course. I was 511 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,439 Speaker 12: playing with a couple of guys who played in the NFL, 512 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 12: and one of them got a call or a text 513 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 12: and said, hey, man, Pat's him and just died in Afghanistan. 514 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 12: It was a jaw dropping moment. I remember exactly where 515 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 12: I was, like. I'm sure a lot of the teammates 516 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 12: can tell you exactly what they were when they heard 517 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 12: the news. 518 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: As news traveled through the Cardinals facility, it reached the 519 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,159 Speaker 5: locker room longtime trainer John Omahandra. 520 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 16: It weighed on us, impacted us a lot, and thought 521 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 16: started going through my mind a way that we could 522 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,440 Speaker 16: memorialize him or remembering in some fashion. 523 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 4: In the training room. 524 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 16: I went down to pr ask him to give me 525 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 16: a photo of Pat. I took it and had it framed, 526 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 16: put it up over the tape table. So every day 527 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 16: everybody that came in got overseen by Pat, and the 528 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 16: guys would get up on the table to get taped 529 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 16: and they could maybe this past thought on trying to 530 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 16: live up to his standards of toughness and dedication, being 531 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 16: a warrior, just all things that Pat was. 532 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 5: The Tillman player photo that John olmahundro referenced, well, if 533 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 5: you walk into the training room today, that frame picture 534 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 5: sits in this same exact spot, just like it did 535 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 5: days after Pat's death. 536 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 4: I think there's a wow factor to it. 537 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 10: Take, for instance, JJ Watt when he signed with the Cardinals, 538 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 10: he took a picture in front of it. It means 539 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 10: something to him. He's very familiar with the story. He's 540 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 10: involved with the Pat Tillman Foundation. 541 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 4: I've obviously long been a fan of Pat Tillman. What 542 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 4: he stood for, who he was. 543 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 17: And everything about his legacy is unbelievable to me. 544 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 9: So to be here, to be walking the same halls 545 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 9: that he walked and to see his locker was special 546 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 9: for me. 547 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 10: It made me feel good to see him, the guy 548 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 10: of his level, standing in front of that and it 549 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 10: means something to him. 550 00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 5: That's the voice of Jim o'mahundro, longtime Cardinals broadcast producer, 551 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 5: more than two decades on the job while his father, 552 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 5: the aforementioned John Omahandro spent forty two seasons as a 553 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 5: Cardinals athletic trainer. A couple of other longtime Cards employees, 554 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 5: Darren Urban and Dave Pash, give us the scattering report 555 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,360 Speaker 5: on Omo. 556 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 19: I would paint Jim o'mahundro in this way he works 557 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 19: for the team, but I I feel like in a 558 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 19: lot of ways, Cardinals DNA is literally in him. 559 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 10: So I've been around the Cardinals my entire life. My 560 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 10: dad was an athletic trainer for the team for forty 561 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 10: two seasons. I like to say I was negative nine 562 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 10: when he started with the team, and so I was 563 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 10: literally born into this organization. I couldn't imagine it any 564 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 10: other way. 565 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 3: Cardinal football means so much to him. Outside of the 566 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 3: Bidwells who grew up with Cardinal football, I can't think 567 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 3: of anybody who has a closer connection than the Bidwell 568 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 3: family than the ol One Hundre family because of the 569 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: time and the energy that's been spent rooting for the team. 570 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 5: So when people ask how exactly did the Tilman locker 571 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 5: end up encased in glass when every other locker is 572 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 5: no moss, Well glad yes, Because remember earlier the story 573 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 5: that we thought we knew but didn't. Well, here we 574 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 5: go twenty fifteen. The Cardinals locker room. It's a hard 575 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 5: hat area, not your typical football helmets, but construction workers. 576 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 10: It's a day after the Super Bowl, kind of slow 577 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 10: around the facility. So I come over here to a 578 00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,120 Speaker 10: Reganos just to get a normal lunch. So I ordered 579 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 10: a slice and a salad and I'm waiting for the food. 580 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: So I'm scrolling through Twitter. 581 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 10: I see a tweet by Darren Urban that alerts me 582 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 10: to the renovation starting at our Tempe facility. 583 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 4: So I freak out. 584 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 10: There's a photo with a destroyed locker on the ground. 585 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 10: So I had ordered my lunch, it hadn't come yet, 586 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 10: and I'm like, I got to get out of here. 587 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 10: So I throw twenty dollars down onto the table and 588 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 10: I'm out of there. I just run to my car, 589 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 10: drive down, get to the facility, run through the parking lot, 590 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 10: run through the auditorium, the weight room, the training room, 591 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 10: step into the locker room. The carpet is all torn up. 592 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 10: The glue from the carpet is there and it rips 593 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,480 Speaker 10: my shoe off my foot. So I'm hopping around the 594 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 10: corner to see two lockers on one wall and about 595 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 10: four lockers on the other. There's a guy with a 596 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 10: saw walking directly for Pat Tillman's locker. I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, 597 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 10: don't cut that one out. That's Pat Tillman's locker. So 598 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 10: that's what happened and prevented it from being destroyed. 599 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 5: And that is quite a series of events. I mean, 600 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 5: think of how razor thin that margin was. One more stop, 601 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 5: like perhaps or almost stopping to unglue his shoe, and 602 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 5: that Tilman locker would have been turned into lumber. That 603 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 5: got the attention of Cardinals owner Michael Bidwell. 604 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 18: Found out an hour after it happened that Jim Olmhunter 605 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 18: was walking through and said, wait, don't touch that. And 606 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 18: so we're like, okay, we don't know what to do 607 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 18: with it right now, but we're going to do something. 608 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 18: And then because we were doing a renovation of the building, 609 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 18: we look for an area where we could put it, 610 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 18: and the designers found what I think is a perfect 611 00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 18: entry area right outside the locker room. So it's it's 612 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,520 Speaker 18: a perfect area and it's really a landmark within our 613 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 18: building and serves as an important reminder for his sacrifice. 614 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: But also his spirit. 615 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 10: Everybody who goes out to the practice field, they walk 616 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 10: by it. Everyone who comes in from the practice field, 617 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 10: they walk by it. And if you look at the 618 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 10: old foot front of the locker room, it's literally on 619 00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 10: the other side of the wall, kind of diagonal from 620 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 10: where it was, and I think that's pretty cool. 621 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 4: It's kind of hollow ground in a way. 622 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 5: Remember it'd been over a dozen years since Pat had 623 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 5: left his locker, so over those years a number of 624 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 5: other players use that locker. 625 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 10: Pat's final year in the locker room was two thousand 626 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 10: and one, so every year after that, I would kind 627 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 10: of look to see who had that locker, and I'd 628 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 10: make it a point to go up to him and say, Hey, 629 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 10: you know who's locker you are sitting in, And they're like, 630 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 10: who said Pat Tillman. 631 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 4: Some of them looked at me like I was nuts, 632 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 4: Like what this is Pat's locker? 633 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 10: You know some that come to mind, Gabe Watson, former 634 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 10: defensive tackle. 635 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 20: O Mahandro told me you'd share the same locker that 636 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 20: Pat Tillman had. I'm like, are you serious? You know 637 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 20: you hear the stories behind them, and there's only a 638 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,800 Speaker 20: few people that can say shared the same locker. It's 639 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 20: just honored to just be in any company with them. 640 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 10: John Fullington was a reserve offensive lineman who was the 641 00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,040 Speaker 10: final occupant of Pat's locker, and he was genuinely touched. 642 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 4: I told him, and he he was just like, I'm honored. 643 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 4: He didn't know what to say. 644 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 10: So, you know, you see guys that maybe had that locker. 645 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 10: Then you see guys that in future years will walk 646 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 10: past that locker and you kind of get the idea 647 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 10: of what they might feel about it. 648 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,840 Speaker 5: You know, the first time you see Pat's locker on display, 649 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 5: and as someone who sees it on a daily basis now, 650 00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,919 Speaker 5: it is a heck of a first impression that makes 651 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 5: for a lasting impression. Here's VPM meter relations Mark Dalton, 652 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 5: followed by former Cardinals Larry Centers and Anthony Edwards. 653 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 11: When you get to that spot, it's almost a universal reaction. 654 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 11: People just stop and conversation ceases and they just take 655 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 11: it in and there's like a a solemn moment of reflection, 656 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 11: which is really cool. 657 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 12: Keeping his legacy alive. I think that's a big step 658 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 12: in the right direction. You know, the generations go on 659 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 12: and the people the players come and the players go. 660 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,320 Speaker 12: But to see him immortalize in that way and appreciated 661 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 12: by the organization, I think that's a really good move 662 00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:19,239 Speaker 12: of the team. 663 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 15: It's a reminder as a player that's leaving out of 664 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 15: the locker room going to the practice field, here's some 665 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 15: wim was dedicated, committed to excellence and whatever he did, 666 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 15: just let us do the same thing and take it 667 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 15: to the field today and be our very best. So 668 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 15: it comes as a reminder of striving for excellence. 669 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 10: Each time a guy walks by, they're gonna see Pat 670 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 10: and his locker there, and remember, you know, hey, you 671 00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,400 Speaker 10: could be having a crappy day. You could be complaining 672 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,640 Speaker 10: about little things, and then you see that and you. 673 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 4: Check yourself a little bit. 674 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 10: Say, Okay, there's thousands upon thousands of men and women 675 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 10: all over the world serving our country, and you know 676 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,399 Speaker 10: they can't afford to have a bad day. 677 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 4: We can afford to have a bad day. So you've 678 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 4: got it pretty good. 679 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 5: In the NFL, everyone is looking for impact players in 680 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,719 Speaker 5: Cardinals team history, and that is going back more than 681 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,719 Speaker 5: a century. Not a single player on the field and 682 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,720 Speaker 5: off combined is at a bigger impact than Pat Tillman. 683 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,440 Speaker 7: Pat Tillman was all about team and if you can 684 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 7: walk past that and not get something inside of you turning, 685 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 7: we got some issues. 686 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 3: Go back to the whole idea of you know, it's 687 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 3: not what you say in life, it's what you do. 688 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,719 Speaker 4: And we can all talk, but ultimately it's what we do. 689 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 3: And I think the lasting legacy of Pat Tillman is 690 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 3: this is someone who did, who believed in something and 691 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 3: was willing to risk his life for it. 692 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 5: It's voice of the Cardinals day past, preceded by former 693 00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 5: Cardinals linebacker Mark Maddox, make an impact players today when 694 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 5: they see Pat Tillman's locker, it says, challenge yourself to 695 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 5: do as much with your life as Pat did in 696 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,960 Speaker 5: his twenty seven years. To me, that's what Pat's locker 697 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 5: stands for, and that's why it still stands today for 698 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 5: all to see. 699 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 9: To me, when they keep his locker alive and his 700 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 9: legend alive there, it's telling the players to like, live 701 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 9: your trueness, to be who you are, and like, hey, 702 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,360 Speaker 9: you know, don't go against the grain just because you 703 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 9: want to go against the grain. But if you have 704 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 9: a feeling and it's a thought and it's something you 705 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 9: believe in and if it's against the grain, do it 706 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 9: and trust yourself because Pat was like that. 707 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: And there you have it, Cardinals, folk Tales, legendary locker, 708 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 5: the one locker that will never change nameplates, the same 709 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 5: locker where we used to witness Pat reclined between practices, 710 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 5: taking a snooze to refresh for what was next. And 711 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 5: that's just one tribute to Pat's greatness that seemingly everyone 712 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,399 Speaker 5: has a story. In fact, I'll share a quick one 713 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 5: with you here. I knew a guy at Asu went 714 00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 5: to school with him, and he told me years later 715 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 5: that he was Pat's next door neighbor for a spell. 716 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 5: One night he got home from work, he pulled into 717 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 5: his driveway and he couldn't help but notice there's Pat 718 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 5: on his roof. His buddy of mine gets out of 719 00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,920 Speaker 5: his car. He's half stupefied and he yells out, hey, Pat, 720 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 5: what are you doing on your roof? And Pat looked 721 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 5: at him, just watching the sunset, dude, just watching the sunset. 722 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,279 Speaker 5: And that was Pat. He took nothing for granted, and 723 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 5: he inspired others to do the same. But how do 724 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 5: you convey that, how do you pass that along? How 725 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,920 Speaker 5: do you honor that. Well, the Cardinals do just that 726 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 5: every day by putting Pat's locker on display at their 727 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:18,720 Speaker 5: training facility. Thanks for joining us everyone. I'm Paul Kelvic. 728 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,839 Speaker 5: This has been Cardinals s Folktales Legendary Locker presented by 729 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 5: seventy two Soul. Thanks for listening. You know it's stories 730 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 5: like that, and so many people have stories regarding Pat Tillman. 731 00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,400 Speaker 5: That's how his legacy lives on today. If you go 732 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,759 Speaker 5: to the Pat Tillman Foundation website and they state how 733 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,760 Speaker 5: Pat's life and principles and service, that's his true legacy 734 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 5: of Pat's family and friends started the Pat Tillman Foundation 735 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,719 Speaker 5: to carry forward that legacy. If you go two days 736 00:39:57,760 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 5: after his passing, it was the NFL Draft two thous 737 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,839 Speaker 5: thousand and four, and then Commissioner Paul Tagliboo wore a 738 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 5: black ribbon with Tilman's name on it and a helmet 739 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 5: pin with his number forty. And there was Paul Taglibou 740 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,400 Speaker 5: while flanked by five Marines in Madison Square Garden, and 741 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 5: he told the audience quote, Pat Tillman personified the best 742 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 5: values of Americans and the National Football League. And we 743 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,880 Speaker 5: know Pat's legacy is personified by Pat's Run which is 744 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 5: held annually in tamp And when we come back, we'll 745 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 5: bring back and talk with Ron Wolfley, who covered Pat 746 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,360 Speaker 5: watched all those games from Sun Devil Stadium, both ASU 747 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,480 Speaker 5: and the Cardinals. As we continue with this encore presentation 748 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 5: of Cardinals Folk Tales Legendary Locker presented by Santan for 749 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:57,280 Speaker 5: In Gilbert, and welcome back to this very special edition 750 00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 5: of the Big Red Rage Our Cardinals Full Hotails Legendary 751 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 5: Locker Edition, all presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert, Paul 752 00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 5: kelvc Ron wolf Ley and the story behind the saving 753 00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 5: literally saving Pat Tillman's locker from a certain destruction within seconds. 754 00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,000 Speaker 5: Wolf we heard the story man of how our own 755 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 5: executive producer, a longtime producer for the Cardinals, Jim al Mahandro, 756 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,719 Speaker 5: he saw a picture posted by Darren Urban of the 757 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 5: renovation of the Cardinals locker room and he just ran 758 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,439 Speaker 5: a four three forty out of the restaurant where he's 759 00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,480 Speaker 5: having lunch, and if he would hit one more stoplight, 760 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,200 Speaker 5: he probably wouldn't be able to make it in time 761 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,160 Speaker 5: back into that locker room to save Pat Tillman's locker. 762 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 5: And as we say there's fifty three players on an 763 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 5: NFL active roster, and then the Cardinals have designated their 764 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:51,240 Speaker 5: fifty fourth locker where the name plate will never change. 765 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 5: It is behind glass. And it's quite a story as 766 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,359 Speaker 5: to as it all transpired. 767 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, Paulie, you know what's incredible you stop and think 768 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:03,439 Speaker 1: about it, and just the fact that Jim Almahandro would 769 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,479 Speaker 1: be the guy, he would be the guy that would 770 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: actually burst in and save Pat Tillman's locker. You know 771 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,719 Speaker 1: what a historian he is. He's the best game day 772 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,440 Speaker 1: producer on the face of the planet. Yet at the 773 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: same time, this guy is a historian man for Cardinal football. 774 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: And the fact that it was him who actually came 775 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,719 Speaker 1: in and stopped them from literally cutting right into that 776 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: locker and everything that has happened to that locker, since 777 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,040 Speaker 1: that's exactly what a folktale is, man, this is a 778 00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:43,400 Speaker 1: folk tale about a folk tale, legendary acts by human beings. 779 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,880 Speaker 5: You know, players to this day see it for the 780 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 5: first time and it stops them in their tracks. Yes, 781 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,920 Speaker 5: JJ Watt, most recently when he showed up, he stopped 782 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,319 Speaker 5: that very locker. Dennis Gardak, we've talked to gard Deck 783 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,760 Speaker 5: the barbarian about it? Have we not Walts? 784 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 4: You know? 785 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,439 Speaker 5: He current players, you know, most of them are so young, 786 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 5: they've only read books about Pat Tillman. But it's what 787 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,359 Speaker 5: that locker says to them, and to listen to them 788 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 5: tell it Wolf. It essentially means, Okay, can you get 789 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,080 Speaker 5: as much out of your life out of your career 790 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,120 Speaker 5: that Pat Tilman did? A guy who was barely drafted 791 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,319 Speaker 5: a seventh rounder and then went on to achieve so much, 792 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 5: not only in football, but obviously in life itself. 793 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 1: You know, I love that, Polly. That is a great thought, 794 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. You know, you think of 795 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,040 Speaker 1: Pat Tillman though the statue, of course, is what I 796 00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,440 Speaker 1: think of at State Farm Stadium and the Tilman Tunnel 797 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: at ASU, and you know, just the legendary impact that 798 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,799 Speaker 1: this has had on so many football players and so 799 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:47,759 Speaker 1: many Americans. The ultimate sacrifice of Pat Tillman and what 800 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: he did for this country and for everyone who serves 801 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: this country, and for his teammates as well. It's truly inspiring. 802 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's a great point about this. You the 803 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 5: Tilman Tunnel, how about the bridge and the Arizona Nevada 804 00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 5: border named after Pat Tillman, the USO centers worldwide. I 805 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 5: know it was a couple of years ago. I was 806 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,399 Speaker 5: like the fifth assistant coach for my son's little league team. Right, 807 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,480 Speaker 5: everyone had to introduce themselves and they said, what do 808 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 5: you do for a living? And okay, and who have 809 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 5: you interviewed? Who have you interviewed? And I named Larry Fitzgerald, 810 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,760 Speaker 5: Randy Johnson, old timers like Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Lebron James. 811 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:26,560 Speaker 5: But when I named Pat Tillman, everyone stopped and everyone 812 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,359 Speaker 5: wanted to know more about Pat Tillman. That's how his 813 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 5: name resonates even today. 814 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,520 Speaker 1: Truly, just an incredible human being. Paully. I know that 815 00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: you and I over the years, of course, have talked 816 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:42,839 Speaker 1: about our relationship just knowing Pat Tillman from time to time, 817 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,319 Speaker 1: and the respect and the regard that we have for 818 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,800 Speaker 1: him can't be measured with human hands. 819 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,240 Speaker 5: When my son was born, actually I bought him a jersey. 820 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 5: It's the only jersey I've ever purchased for him, and 821 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 5: it's a Pat Tilman jersey because it's about so much 822 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,720 Speaker 5: more than football. Football did not define Pats under service 823 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 5: country and his status now as an American Hero. 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